The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Thursday shows Barack Obama attracting 47% of the vote while John McCain earns 43%. When “leaners” are included, it’s Obama 50%, McCain 45%. (see recent daily results).
Tracking Poll results are based upon nightly telephone interviews and reported on a three-day rolling average basis. Virtually all of the interviews for today’s update were completed before Alaska Governor Sarah Palin’s speech last night.
Nishi pointed us to this poll earlier, attempting to prove, I suppose, that the Palin “bounce” hadn’t happened, and that “Stepford Barbie” (whatever that means) hadn’t panned out like Repubs had hoped — which is fair enough, though Palin hadn’t yet, at that point, been introduced to the nation other than by a vituperative, Obama-backing press and weblogs, and even then, the introduction was almost entirely negative (she lacked experience, she’s an uncaring parent, her 17-year-old daughter is wilderness trash, her youngest son could be her grandson — or else an inbred child: you know how them Eskeemos get when they’re boozin’!, etc).
All of which I bring up because of a bit from the poll that needs pointing out — particularly given Palin’s having not yet addressed the nation as a VP candidate:
Perhaps most stunning is that, among unaffiliated voters, just 42% believe Obama has better experience than Palin to be President. Thirty-seven percent (37%) say Palin has the edge on experience.
Charles Krauthammer, whom I admire, has been arguing that the choice of Palin negates the issue of “experience” that could have been otherwise exploited to great effect by the GOP. (He reiterated this argument last night after praising Palin’s speech.)
But pace Krauthammer, my argument was and continues to be that, rather than negate the “experience” question, Palin’s ascension actually highlights Obama’s shortcomings with respect to readiness. After all, of the two tickets, one appears to be, at least from the perspective of giving importance to experience, completely inverted. The Democrats are running a man for President who barely outpolls the GOP vice-presidential candidate on the experience question, this even before she gave what many have recognized as a very able, very powerful speech.
The VP debate will be a better test, naturally, but what the GOP has going for it there is that the opponent is Joe Biden. Blustery attacks against Palin will be seen as overly aggressive; Palin’s downhome rhetorical stylings will play well, I think, with many undecideds; and any attempt by Biden to raise the issue of experience will be countered by Palin doubly: she has executive experience, Biden does not; but more importantly, if experience is important, why would Biden be backing Obama over McCain? And — bonus! — he’s on record as having supported McCain over Biden on the experience factor before.
I’m interested to see what the bounce from the GOP convention brings — if any. For whatever reason, polls seem always to favor Democrats, even as elections have tended to favor Republicans for much of the past decade.
Still in all, the Obama camp, which proved itself ready to take on Hillary, has thus far proven quite bumbling in its handling of the “literally laughable” Palin pick by the McCain camp. Which is why Obama has spent the last week sending out action alerts telling his base to lay off the sexist, elitist attacks on the Palin family — and trying desperately to reclaim the glow last spotted bathing Obama right before, to borrow an amusing trope, those styrofoam pillars were hauled back to some Hollywood lot.
O!Noes!
(thanks to Tom)
To be fair, I think the “experience” numbers track closely to party identification, with maybe a few points thrown to Obama just from name recognition.
The ratings numbers say her speech attracted more viewers than Obama’s speech – I can only hope that’s a good thing!
>Blustery attacks against Palin will be seen as overly aggressive
Not so sure there. She stepped into the ring and put the fam’ on the stage last night.
However, she kinda has that Sarah Connor thing going…
oh wait – i was wrong. Looks like 38 million for Obama and 37 million for Palin?
HAHAHAHAHA. Suck it, Biden.
And there is experience and than there is experience. “Inner” Chicago experience counts for 3/2 any West of the Rio Grande experience. Thus the answer to why Bill Richardson was not selected. Also, Donkey years are approximately equal to 5/1 ^pi, so certainly Sarah P. has 2 years of State Level executive experience, and Obama has well… let me see.. 0 divided by 2 times 3 raised by pi… carry the one… still 0.
Math is hard.
I’ve heard O! had his daughters on speaker phone during his speech. And were Biden’s children at his speech, or weren’t they able to get permission from the court to travel across state boundaries?
I think a study should be conducted to determine what type of person is more inclined to participate in political polls and whether that factor may have a bearing on poll results. There’s just one problem, though…
Timie and again during the last two elections, I’ve read about “internals” and the effects of “internals”. Was the group polled weighted for political loyalties, voter registration, like voter status, age and so forth.
They’re like candy bars. Fast sugar high if favorable with energy crash later; hangover fatigue with slight nausea if unfavorable. Only one poll matters.
If they weren’t worried about Sarah Palin they would have merely guffawed, smirked, or condescendingly said something to the effect that she did as well as could expected, damning with the faintest of praise. Instead we get get spittle, vitriol, crazy-ass sexist attempts to label her a bad mother, and the endless desire to change the topic.
Like I said yesterday, the panties are bunched.
And as far as eyeball comparisons go, shouldn’t Governor Palin’s performance be measured against that of Senator Biden rather than Sentaor Obama?
Now we could have both a VPILF & a FLILF!!!
How long has it been since those planets aligned??
NTTAWWT
Sarahcuda runs a fucking state.
O! runs….what?
Biden runs…..what?
Diddlyshit as far as I can see.
So, Sarah Palin or Sarah Conner?
But pace Krauthammer, my argument was and continues to be that, rather than negate the “experience†question, Palin’s ascension actually highlights Obama’s shortcomings with respect to readiness.
I think this is exactly right. Whenever someone brings up Palin’s inexperience, the retort is just too easy. I just think they should subtly shift the argument to accomplishments, rather than experience.
[…] that those numbers are a tiny bit influenced by ideology. But the point I made yesterday and which Goldstein explores at greater length today abides: The more the media craps on her qualifications, the more The One […]
“For whatever reason, polls seem always to favor Democrats, even as elections have tended to favor Republicans for much of the past decade.”
@TaiChiWawa: Are you pondering what I’m pondering? I believe conservatives are less likely to respond to a pollster for the same reason we’re hesitant to be interviewed by the MSM — we just don’t trust ’em. I know I’d never respond to a pollster. Thus any poll will be naturally skewed in favour of liberals who love the ego boost they receive from being asked for *their* anointed opinion.
…shouldn’t Governor Palin’s performance be measured against that of Senator Biden rather than Sentaor Obama?
I think that is the creeper point that is going to slowly soak in and be the most devastating. Biden is completely out of the picture, almost, and the Democrats are desperately trying to convince the nation their Presidential pick is better than the Republicans Vice President, while McCain just stands above it all looking very Presidential. That is not good strategery for the Democrats. Not very prudent.
Bless his heart, Biden doesn’t have it in to be nasty. But what he does have in him which he won’t be able to control is what women hate more -He’ll condescend.
“Oh sweety, my IQ much higher than yours…”
Comment by B Moe on 9/4 @ 2:00 pm #
They are stuck though. They can’t even effectively use Biden without reminding voters how upside down the Dem ticket is.
What Biden most needs to be worried about is from what I have seen so far she is just flat out smarter than him and a better speaker. If she just stays within herself she will destroy him.
I’m sure it is about the worst breach of netiquette imaginable to bring up someone else’s comment, (bgates), from someone else’s blog, (JOM) but this is too good not to be shared.
On today’s Dem talking points:
Jane, they have lots of talking points:
Obama’s party says she lacks experience;
Biden’s party says she just reads what other people wrote;
Kerry’s party says she flip-flopped;
Edwards’ party says there are strange rumors about pregnancies in her family;
Hillary’s party says she should spend more time with her kids;
The Clintons’ party says she used inappropriate pressure to get a government employee fired;
and Carter’s party says she’s anti-Israel./>
Apologies all round.
In my view, the popular ‘experience’ meme – that number of years of service is some kind of proxy for competence – has always been something of a shibboleth. (I hope I spelled that right.) I think the correct proxy would be more multidimensional, and would attempt to provide some sense of what kind of decisions a canidate has made and what his/her preferred method is to make them.
On a somewhat off-topic note (but related to polling) – a question about the perceived reaction to Palin. As someone who would like Palin do well, I’m wondering why it is that the Iowa Electronic Markets have not moved in McC’s direction since Palin’s speech. http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08_WTA.cfm
Are there technical issues that I’m missing? Any thoughts?
They all underestimate Teh Palin at their peril. She’s a lethal weapon unsheathed. As someone observed somewhere, you could tell that she was holding back the snark during the speech. Without a savvy speech writer, she might have gone thermonuclear.
Furthermore, Obama does have executive experience as Chairman of the Board of that Annenberg Challenge thing. So why doesn’t he trot that out as a rebuttal to the “no experience” charge? And why does he sic his flying monkeys on the mild-mannered WGN host Milt Rosenberg when he interviews Stanley Kurtz about his quest to read them 70 linear feet of files?
Fully vetted my pudgy white thigh.
I mentioned a few days ago that the Biden pick smelled of the machine asserting their control on the O! Campaign. A back room strongarm perhaps. And now, it appears that the ticket is indeed upside down, and as Topsecretk9 mentions further, it sucks all the air out. Biden is neutralized (and also reminds everyone how much change there has been in 30 years I guess), Obama looks belittled, and the media feeds the fire.
Once again, McCain (OK… the handlers), have Team O! in their collective sights. Too close for missiles, going to guns.
To paraphrase a certain former mayor:
“A community organizer? Really? Bwa ha ha ha!”
That left a mark. I have repeating to the leftards at work and they just get furious and stomp off.
Debating Biden is the easiest task of all. Smile and keep your mouth shut, let him do all of the talking. By the end of the evening the entire country will know that Biden is a pompous windbag without a neuron to his name.
Tips for debating Biden:
o No matter how tempting, do not check your watch.
o Let him talk as much as he wants.
o Resist the urge to give him a noogie.
o At least once, respond to a statement of his with, “Would you like a moment to put that in your own words?”
She started out firing over SloJoe’s head and BZd right the “O”.
After that it was fire for effect. Joe was glad he was not the object of her pointed remarks. I wonder if he will take an Eagleton.
Oh, God. Imagine if O! tries to replace Biden with Hillary. Talk about comedy gold: “Uh, yeah, this woman’s eating my lunch. Would you mind coming over and bailing me out? Please?”
why polls always lean toward Dems because they are more ‘community organisers’ for politics…….now 80% global black and muslims are enthused…heee…the berliners showdown…how un-American can we get?
The ratings numbers say her speech attracted more viewers than Obama’s speech –
Somebody send Jann Wenner and “Us” magazine flowers.
Heh.
Fox Report 10/1/2008:
Senator Joe Biden was arrested this morning for public drunkeness and exposing himself to a busload of nuns. Barrak Obama expressed the utmost confidence in his VP pick.
community organizer? how true, he does look like one…without a wallet…how community organizer uses clients dough, i know.
Houston??????
BIDEN vs PALIN debate will be such a draw.
BIDEN flashes his smile to his women….PALIN flashes her smile to her women…
But I will not do what she is able to do so well,
“Senator, given the circumstances, we feel it is very important that you lower expectations. Sir, if you can just visualize the Falcons playing the Patriots for a minute…”
What did I say about Biden and condescending?
The media, and especially CNN is saying that Joe Biden is going to have to change HIS pitbull strategy with Palin in the debate in October. I am a woman and I give him the permission to stomp all over her. We Democrats are trying to win an election so things will be better in our lives. Palin’s feelings are extremely unimportant to me. Putin and other world leaders who hate us are not going to handle her with kid gloves. Therefore, if she wants to be vice she should get used to hard-nosed contact with angry men who really don’t even want to have conversation with a woman. She is not running for the PTA. If she is a pitbull, why should Biden have to be certain he does not tread on her sensibilities?
Biden: ““And the other thing I heard, I heard a very – by the way, I mean this sincerely – a very strong and a very good political speech from a lieutenant governor of Alaska, who I think is going to be very formidable, very formidable.—
As noted elsewhere, Biden is a fella who could do with a subscription to the “Gaffe of the Day” club.
Can’t wait for the debates.
“Senator, who’s the Prime Minister of Alaska?”
Poor Joe. What with Sarah’s entrance, no one is talking about Baracky anymore, much less even noticing him. He’s really ginning up the controversy just so people will notice him. It’s sad, really.
Redphilly: “The media, and especially CNN is saying that Joe Biden is going to have to change HIS pitbull strategy with Palin in the debate in October. I am a woman and I give him the permission to stomp all over her. ”
Won’t play in Peoria and it’s not his style — after thirty years of condescending comments, self-puffery and plagiarism, he’s just not equipped to help “Barak America” get elected “Vice President,” not even in a debate against the “lieutenant Governor” of Alaska.
Redphilly: “Therefore, if she wants to be vice she should get used to hard-nosed contact with angry men who really don’t even want to have conversation with a woman. She is not running for the PTA. If she is a pitbull, why should Biden have to be certain he does not tread on her sensibilities?”
Ask Senator Rick Lazzio and get back to us…
You know, I actually thought that they would be able to infiltrate Biden’s brain for just a little while and control the thought meanderer – like the Obama campaign had actually seen vid’s of Biden at hearings so knew they were taking on the Guinness Book of World Records recipient of GasBaggery for experience – but I just guess not.
He really is going to have perpetual brain farts until Nov., there is apparently no harnessing that free association.
Every single quote of Biden’s thus far reminds me of chasing a bee in a flower garden.
my reference is that Palin is the Stepford Wife of a dying, decrepit republican party.
plus she has all the intellectual depth and street savy of a lifesized Barbie Doll…..altho much, much worse hair.
that bun thing makes her cranium look deformed, like shes some kind of a mutant.
perhaps that is where the controller is, lol.
;)
If you’ll notice the small print, this poll is for between September 1-3. I would presume by phone, so 9:00 is the cutoff; before Saracuda even spoke!
If she is a pitbull, why should Biden have to be certain he does not tread on her sensibilities?â€Â
It’s not her sensibilities he need worry about treading on.
They terribly underestimate her. Anyone that can take on a state political machine and leave it whimpering “make the bad woman stop” is definitely a skilled politician.
And while comparing the top of the Democratic ticket to the bottom of the Republican ticket is odd, it makes sense in that both Sen. Obama and Gov. Palin are the new picks coming up from the respective parties’ farm leagues. It provides a glimpse into the next decade and a half of what each party will be able to offer voters.
That comparison, I think, is what is giving the media the willies right now.
look…she is on record for creationism “being considered alongside evolution in public highschools”.
shes a 40percenter if she believes in creationism.
40percenters simply arent presidential material.
I don’t think Palin minds a bit if he tries, RedPhilly. I just don’t think his campaign believes it to be a winning strategy — though they’ll doubtless have cover for doing so.
Personally, I agree with you: throw your best punches. Let’s see what kind of counterpuncher the Governor is.
Why do you constantly repeat the same things, Nishi? Is it that you want us to have to find the real quotes over and over again? What it comes down to is repeating a lie.
By the way: on what are you basing your assessment of Palin’s intelligence? I mean, she must run a good campaign to beat all those incumbents and the old boy network. And doesn’t running a good campaign make one qualified to be President?
Or is it only thor and Alan Colmes who believe that?
u sea ima ina meme loop, lutz
no kindz oil canz mak mee gasm fer bama
palin skrewz mee libeedue n i haz no bama gasms
hashing mee mallow iz palin ;-(
I just can’t wait to see all you right-wingers scramble when everything about Sarah’s record comes out. Yeah, she’s got GREAT experience, if you call raising taxes on businesses, increasing sales taxes, CUTTING funding for families with special-needs kids, reducing funding for senior citizens, taking a ride on the pork-barrel express, and running up deficits “experience.” Sounds like the perfect Republican to continue the Bush policies of ruin.
umm at 670,000 the population of Alaska recieves the 2nd highest per capita earmark allocation.
and the MSM will sure to point that out in excrutiating detail.
like caesars wife, Palin had better be above suspicion on porking out at the government trough.
i dont think she is.
Man I wish I could be a pixel on the wall of the Townhouse listsrv.
Not only dealing are urgent action alertersâ„¢ dealing with the Palin Tsunami, but every-time Biden opens his mouth he’s making a stupid verbal gaffe or praising his opponents – most ethical, hop on a plane instantly to Missoula , formidable etc. ect.
That shit makes the nutroots go bananas because you are NEVER supposed to say pleasant things about republicans no matter how friendly you are with them off camera
Lois has clitoris-envy.
Your references, matoko, are not really relevant to reality. And Gov. Palin doesn’t really fit into the fictional Stepford Wives template you want her to. I really can’t see Caribou Barbie that way, and I doubt anyone who isn’t an adherent to your one issue sees things like you do.
But don’t stop – please broadcast your opinions to the widest possible audience.
I LOVE Sarah!! She vocalized things last night that I believe in: small government, strong national defense, lower taxes, the idea that individuals excel when government gets out of the way. . . absolutely stunning!!
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point might already have been made, but it seems to me the numbers reflect different causes for the viewership of the respective audiences.
For Obama, people wanted to see his vaunted eloquence or to worship at the altar of O! Maybe some were just seeing him speechify for the first time, but that’s doubtful. For him, the numbers are more or less constant.
But Palin? This was her first BIG exposure. Some rubbernecking was involved b/c they wanted to see how she’d handle the MSM, but most were genuinely just curious about her. For her, the more telling numbers will be for repeat outings.
Lois: Drive by linkies?
Earmarks don’t happen in the governor’s office, genius, they happen in the Congress, in this case rammed through by one of the emperors of earmarks, Ted friggin’ Stevens.
The fact that you can’t even be bothered to to realize this clear and present truth is a testamony to your meme spewing partisan narrative.
She is huge. She is Elvis.
Jeff shes on record for teaching creationism alongside evolution so the kiddos can make their own choice.
sure, she backed off later but that was simple expediency.
She actually said exactly what Bush said on the subject.
If she’s so dim she doesnt understand the decision in Kitzmiller vs Dover, then she is certainly not president material.
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She is huge. She is Elvis.
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only to the religious right.
her appeal is likely limited to evangelicals who, in’shallah are only 1/5 of the electorate.
Lois – Nice recitation of talking points. Either back them up with facts or go back to kos.
Nishi – We get it already. You think Sarah is too religous. Jeff has addressed your points several times. Get something new.
Or, genius, she backed off because of Kitzmiller vs Dover. You don’t really know, do you? Of course, don’t let that stop you from the stunning arrogance of proclaiming blanket stupidity to those who hold certain views whilst you are incapable of knowing where an earmark comes from.
Goebbels really could have used you back in ’38.
“…One of the smears being circulated against Sarah Palin is that she is in favor of teaching creationism in public school science classes, but as I pointed out last week this simply isn’t true. Apparently, she has a rather confused attitude toward evolution (an attitude she shares with about 50% of the US population), but when asked explicitly whether she would support teaching the pseudo-science of “intelligent design,†her answer was “No.†…”
Charles Johnson at LGF
How many times has Bush been elected, nishi?
Stupid bitter clingers.
Here’s a polling stunner, via Geraghty at NRO:
Us Magazine Seems To Be Misjudging Their Readers
Currently at Us magazine – where Obama fan Jann Wenner offered the over-the-top “BABIES, LIES AND SCANDAL” cover story on Palin  they’re conducting an online poll. They ask, “After watching her speech, do you think Sarah Palin would make a good vice president?”
“Yes” currently has 135,061 votes, or 83.16 percent. “No” has 27,351 votes, or 16.84 percent.
And not a “poll,” but maybe it puts some of the numbers we’re seeing in perspective, from a friend. Apparently Team Obama has been trumpeting the results of a focus group put together by the Detroit Free Press. The results give you some quotes — the so-called “independents” almost uniformally panned Palin and her speech.
So, thank goodness for the internet. It turns out that George Lentz, one of these “independents,” is a founding member and co-chairman of the Michigan UU Social Justice Network, a church-based social advocacy group that seeks to build a “justice network.” It is against the Iraq war and conducts “civil liberties” and “networking for justice” workshops, among other liberal causes. Other independents included: 2 Code Pinkers, 1 member of the above-mentioned UU Social Justice Network organized by Mr. Lentz, 1 Hillary-care advocate, and 1 lady who has made previous, public statements regarding how great Hillary and Michelle Obama are.
So, I don’t think “independent” means what the Detroit Free Press (and Obama) think it means.
And bloo-dee hell! Whom do I have to sleep with to get some italics around here?
Sarahcuda seems quite popular here, nitwit. Do you think you’re talking to the religious right here?
“…Neither have Palin’s socially conservative personal views on issues like abortion and gay marriage been translated into policies during her 20 months as Alaska’s chief executive. It reflects a hands-off attitude toward mixing government and religion by most Alaskans.
“She has basically ignored social issues, period,†said Gregg Erickson, an economist and columnist for the Alaska Budget Report. …”
AP, “Palin has not pushed creation science as governor” By Dan Joling
Sdferr, we know nishi is impervious to facts. That’s why attempting to engage her in any manner is a waste of precious pixels. I mean, it can be fun, but it isn’t an intellectual activity.
Ironic, huh?
Earmarks are requested at the local level, genius. I hope it’s not found out that Sarah Palin is just another Fed-teat sucking Alaskan, with a preggo unwed teen, whose talk of abstinence has done nothing but cause ill-conceived welfare children to be bred within her own family, who preaches like a snake-mean Christian moral elitist, who is corrupt morally and economically, whose a calloused social extremist with no knowledge of world or macro-economic affairs. Yeah, that’d be a real shame of a sham.
Experience, translated, means a Washington insider who uses power to his/her advantage, and lines their pocket with tax payer money. We need to vote the “experience” out, and get new people in government. Most congressional incumbents are useless in serving the people. Vote the bums out.
Oh come on, sdferr. everybody knows that the AP is in the tank for Evangelicals and conservatives,right? RIGHT? she’s in the bag for creationism and I know this because nishi told me. THROUGH UNDOCUMENTED ASSERTION!!!
I didn’t know that there were 80% hard right evangelicals in the state of Alaska. That is her approval rating after all.
That’s OK, nishi, you keep making unsupported assertions and market them far and wide. That’ll help you get your precious Obama elected and usher in the superhuman era. no one will ever have a “genetic mistake” child ever again.
Most of the bums, are those useless demoncrats.
funny…i have about 20 different people a day come in my office and I ask every one of them who they are voting for…note they are mostly men…today 100% of them said mccain..and the reason was sarah palin…she is the best candidate by far…obama cant hold a candle to her little finger…and good luck when she make a joke out of biden ..that same do nothing senator with the lowest approval rating in history..oh yea, obama is in that class, but he is also a mouthpiece, a tounge twisting two talking lying ambulance chasing attorney…why would anyone think he gives a damn about anything but getting elected…once elected, he will change allright, he will change this country into a laughable disaster..he and pelosi are the same
Apparently, she has a rather confused attitude toward evolution (an attitude she shares with about 50% of the US population)
see? notbright.
do we need a notbright person a septugenarian heartbeat away from the presidency?
i think not.
I only put that stuff out there for the folks who pass by and don’t already happen to know, rather than leave the field open for nishi to pollute their minds unbidden. I am not engaging her in argument or ya’ll would’a seen me address her idrectly, as I am won’t to do with most anyone else.
It looks like the media is going to double down on the economic doom and gloom since they haven’t been able just quite yet to rip out Governor Palin’s uterus and make her eat it. But nothing says they can’t try both.
directly, sorry
You’re just a dumb link-begging liar hiding behind right-wing trolls thus better you speak for yourself.
Yea, Einstein, by all of the local officials. The final cut of what makes it into the state is determined by the friggin’ Senators and Congress critters. Also, Ted Stevens is one of the reigning kings of earmarks and a rather independent soul. Please show how well he works with Palin and how much influence she has with him. (hint: close to zero as they allegedly don’t get along very well.)
The rest of your comment was boilerplate slime so it appears nishi is waiting to welcome you into the 40% club for your transcendent ignorance.
lutz!
let me break it down.
only the stupid believe in creationism.
if palin thinks creationism is a viable scientific theory, she is simply stupid.
we dont need a 72 yrold president with a stupid VP.
im not worried that she can push creationism into schools.
she cant, pace Kitzmiller.
i worry that she is stupid.
only teh stupid can believe in creationism.
I hope it’s not found out that Sarah Palin is just another Fed-teat sucking Alaskan, with a preggo unwed teen, whose talk of abstinence has done nothing but cause ill-conceived welfare children to be bred within her own family, who preaches like a snake-mean Christian moral elitist, who is corrupt morally and economically, whose a calloused social extremist with no knowledge of world or macro-economic affairs.
Won’t much matter.
The ‘MSM’ has poisoned the well with their over the top smear-o-thon.
Couple that with her performance last night, and she approaches teflon status.
All she has to do is hold her own, then its all good.
Puck, you have to do it manually: <i>italicized bit</i>. Sorry. No visual editor here (and no preview, as you may have noticed.)
I see no contradiction whatever between thinking earmarks are evil and should be eliminated, and benefitting from them. If the dealer calls five-card stud you don’t turn the first card dealt up. Play the game that’s going, and wait your turn to call it.
Regards,
Ric
I don’t believe in creationism or watching tv or global warming or Del Taco.
I would love to see “hot air” biden go down to a blistering defeat, and never have to hear that hot air bag again. Will somebody please put that jerk to rest. I can’t stand the fact that he’s part Irish. Just because of him, I’m thinking about getting my nationality changed.
The prisoner’s dilemma once again, ain’t it?
BTW, Lois at #52 is a big fat fibber. Why don’t you go pshop you some bikini pics, Lois?
Executive Experience: Obama = Executive Experience: Biden = 0 So, sure. Go ahead.
Jeff, you really need to remove the decaying garbage that is piling up in the corners of your comment threads.
Lois has no credibility left I don’t think. That’s what happens when you lie, Lois, which is a fat girl’s name anyway.
With respect to eyeballs, I was referring to the number of people that watched her speech versus the number that watched Biden’s speech.
Comment by quellcrist falconer on 9/4 @ 3:05 pm #
my reference is that Palin is the Stepford Wife of a dying, decrepit republican party.
Hmmm…Its possible the Republican party is decrepit, but I could easily throw that towards the Dems, too. As for dying, that just isn’t likely: THe last 2 elections have been awful close and this one is shaping up to be likewise. Not dying, then…
But what I find fascinating is that you think she has no chance on social issues. Bwahahaha
You know – no of course you don’t – that self-IDd “conservatives” [NB – not Republicans] make up around 60% of the electorate, right? The remaining are basically 20% Eloi and 20% Morlocks. These are the Dem/Lib base.
What protects your power right now is our lack of cohesion. No matter.
They’ve already published her list of eye-popping earmark requests. She’s a teat-sucker, and a liar, and a morality fraud and a disgustingly stupid hick.
who cares about evolution, right to life, the global warming hoax…its oil baby oil…dril drill drill…we need the jobs, we need the work, we need to get america back to business..palins for it, im for her, simple as that, and oh yeah, obama is a ZERO..NO NOTHING, NEVER LEAD ANYTHING, TOUNGE TWISTING LIAR WHO WANTS TO BE PRESIDENT…NO JOKES FOR AMERICA PLEASE…we need heroes and intelligent leaders to get us out of the mess congress has put us in…mccain and palin will destroy those do nothing nit wits, biden and obama will join them in a journey to self serving nowheresville…goet on board with the real politicians…wake up you blind followers of the biggest hoax ever pulled on a nation ” global warming”…show me one scientist who can predict the weather next week correctly, and maybe i’ll give him a chance to explain that waco psyhcobabble psuedoscience…and anyway, if humans, if mankind can influence the warming of the atmosphere, hooray..it will come in handy during the next few ydecades of global cooling…lets warm the place up if we can….IDIOTS…most of you deservr OBAMA
As opposed to Tom DeLay with tits?
Whatever, Tom.
nishi, I just had a customer come in who reminded me of you.
I’ve known D– for a long time. He has a daughter who is now 42. Melanie’s most annoying habit is repeating the same thing again and again and again and again. She speaks, and everybody says “Yes, Melanie, we understand,” and she says the same thing, and everybody says yes…
Melanie has an IQ of approximately 85 and a speech defect, and has never been able to live independently. D– and J– have set up a trust fund, so that when they kick off Melanie will be able to go live in a facility where she’ll get decent care. Have your parents been that thoughtful?
Regards,
Ric
Nishi, you’re stuck in a brain-warping emotional singularity with no absolutely zero traction, going nowhere and sinking fast. Your seemingly great hatred for anyone who has a personal belief in God (because those with God-morals thwart your desire to play eugenics and devour stem cells) is a drain on your personal I.Q. dont’cha know, which, by now, seems much less than three digits.
Not that your lame l33t-speak helped your cause much to begin with..
I think Obama and Biden should dish out just as much sarcasm, slurs, insults, attacks, etc. that Palin gives out and never mind that she is a woman. She seems to be of the ilk that can dish it out but can’t take it. If the Republicans are going to WHINE “sexist” at every little comment about or to their “little woman” then she should never have entered politics and should never have been picked for vice president. It is scary enough that McCain is too old to be President (he is already forgetting things) and then we have this belligerent, fanatic, ultra conservative woman who would be next in line for President – that is enough to give anyone horrid nightmares.
that bun thing makes her cranium look deformed, like shes some kind of a mutant.
perhaps that is where the controller is, lol.
OK Nishi, score one for you. I really did laugh out loud at that one. I’ll bet the ‘cuda could kick your ass though.
Hey, thor. Maybe plan to bugout next Monday.
Right ON Jane! They should call her a cunt. No holds barred. That bitch needs to get herself back in the kitchen.
thor
there is no hope for losers like you, who believe that this embicile lying lawyer gives a s;[t about you or your mama or his for that matter…he wants to be elected and he will say anything, if you cant see him straddling every single issue, then you deserve the rat hole this country will become with scum liars like he and biden rule the do nothing self serving do nothing congress…fools
Because it’s not about how Palin handles it or feels about it. It’s about how it’s seen by the audience and how they feel about it.
Even if she responds to a pit-bullesque approach by spitting directly in his eye, it’s entirely possible (nay, probable) that voters will still see a man being mean to a woman.
Amen, Jane, amen. The Righties’ foul-mouthed butt’s explode whenever you blast ’em with half of what they spewforth daily.
A bunch of un-spanked babies old enough to vote, that’s what they’ve devolved to.
sorry about the mistypes, but the stupidity of these obama supporters makes me sik..i cant type fast enough
oops “sick” did it again
She seems to be of the ilk that can dish it out but can’t take it.
Bwahahahaha
#59 BJ:
Agreed, and governors have the power to veto federal legislation, such as funding bills. And for anyone who actually believes that governors have that power (not you, BJ) I suggest you buy (a) a copy of the US Constitution, and (b) a good high school government text.
tom, their very stupidity should be a source of entertainment, not consternation. The anti-Palin faction here is either illiterate or mysogynistic. Often BOTH!
She seems to be of the ilk that can dish it out but can’t take it.
It sure looks to me like she can take it, and hit back.
MCCAIN / PILAN SUPPORTERS…it seems like this is a waste of time….leave now, these people are useless losers who want and deserve what they might get…fxxx em…bye
On some level for real who’s vice president really doesn’t perturb me. This is me over here floating on a sea of equanimity, or at least not getting all flustered and overwrought like Jane, which is a fat girl’s name like Lois. They could be like the two fat girls at Starbucks at that one table with the extra whip and the brownies where they each buy two brownies and tuck one of them in their huge ass purse for later.
Or for those who are into this stuff, you could consult a ouija board and ask Governors Faubus and Wallace how that ‘defying federal law’ thing worked out in the real world.
She seems to be of the ilk that can dish it out but can’t take it.
The funniest thing about this STUPID statement, is that she “is” taking it.
It is “us” – we the people – who are disgusted by the entire display. But, I honestly say carry on. Reveal your true colors.
misogyny is a lot harmless fun I think
Forget the kitchen, she’ll go back to just being another cunt in Alaska when this is over.
By even addressing Palin at all, Obama has lost this argument. He has allowed himself, the name at the top of his ticket, to be drawn into a comparison between the bottom of the opposing ticket. No one is even talking about Biden (and not only because he’s a huge Establishment Yawn) and the narrative has suddenly become Obama vs. Palin, with McCain floating above the fray.
A lot of crap is getting thrown at Palin, but from here it looks like Maverick has taken hold of the narrative.
thor makes me laugh with his funny misogyny. Democrats!
FORGOT…LETS ALL GO WATCH A TRUE AMERICAN HERO…GO McCAIN…!!!!
TALK TO THE LOSERS TOMORROW AFTER POLL PLUMMETING….BYE LOSERS
Hey, hf, thor is no democrat, he’s more like a true conservative like Andysully.
119 –
Is true. Mostly just not hearing much what Barry’s been up to lately. And it was like, “he bought some avocadoes!!1!” not that long ago.
happyfeet
thor doesnt know what that means, he is a mindless mantra following democrat…low iq etc
You’re no Italo, lady.
And look at you bitterly clinging to your victimhood. If only the Palin girls clung so to their virginal hoods.
I think Obama and Biden should dish out just as much sarcasm, slurs, insults, attacks, etc. that Palin gives out and never mind that she is a woman.
I think the saving grace for the Republicans is that so many of the Democrat supporters are as stupid as you are.
(odd Freudian slip: I typed “Democrat reporters” the first time — same thing, I guess)
thor..why do you prove my point with your stupidity
Lois and Jane are fat-chick names. Except, Jane is the first name of my favorite author, so there’s that.
Via Best of the Web and too good not to pass along:
thor, thor, calm down, you clown you….your ticket should be biden / obama…however, neither of them has the experience of the bottom of out ticket nor the integrety of the top…have a nice day
Other Guy think womens have no business having kids especially retarded ones and being in politics. The things you learn about people.
Tom,
Sometimes when a Democratic campaign is in a state of utter panic they will give scripted comments to their volunteers to leave on right-wing blogs. At those times we experience a number of drive-by posts here at PW by people who are not members of our regular community. Although I haven’t noticed this yet today, the comments often are premised on the assumption that all PW readers are Christian fundamentalists. It’s hilarious to see how some of these comments are “ingeniously” crafted to appeal to the cartoonish prog stereotype of dumb bible-bangers.
thor can’t help himself. You see, he’s an asshole.
It’s okay though cause he gave me his leftover lunch he cooked. He’s a damn good cook.
Palin definitely had a taunting sing-song-y nyah-nyah in this phrase when she addressed the media last night, “I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion-…”
thor….was that your temple of doom obama was talking in psychobabble from the other night…did you wear your toga…like a nice little infatuated mezmorized mantra repeating zombie…the only problem, you change mantra will only happen when mccain / palin shake up the do nothing congress…shake on that
Well, he’d better be happy. With an attitude like that he’s gonna be alone for a while.
#114 Haps:
My cousin’s name is Jane, and at sixty she is tall, trim, and slender still. And was a champion downhill skier in her class a few years back.
Just sayin’ don’t be thrown by names. It is as bad as judging a person’s ability because she is merely the first term governor of Alaska. Judge on what they say and do.
Okay, I’ll stop being so overbearing.
I thought this was especially good — “We tend to prefer candidates who don’t talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.”
Someone said that applies well to people like Peggy Noonan too.
she blew them away
#118 thor:
You should broadcast to a wider audience. Really.
“only teh stupid can believe in creationism”
Who cares what a woman believes as long as she can type?
Did I just say that out loud?
As usual, Ramirez has the best take on the sitchu.
Actually he has a woman. Not married. But he did the instant family thing. I try not to think about it cause it’s none of my business and I would never have known except NG gets up in people’s grills about stuff like that and she told me more about Other Guy over lunch one day than I had known in three years.
You’re right, Mikey. Absolutely. I was just trying on some misogyny for size to see how it felt. I’m pretty much over it now.
Yea, thor should take his act on the road. Perhaps if he went over to JOM, Maybee would come back here?
Just a thought.
That’s a thing of beauty, dicentra.
How about — “With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.”?
On the money, peoples. Drill baby drill.
I don’t think hating on Peggy Noonan is the same as misogyny cause she doesn’t represent like that.
Someone said that applies well to people like Peggy Noonan too.
Noonan is now claiming that the recording was edited to take her out of context.
The idea that the scrupulously fair MSM would ever do such a thing is absurd, of course.
You know who can do some fucking? Is those Russian broads. But they do it with a blase attitude, smoke a cigarette after, can take you or leave you — world weary they are.
So that’s like fuckin’ cool.
She does represent out of both sides of her mouth though.
Don’t forget Jane Hathaway. She wasn’t fat at all.
Did they poll arugula voters yet?
I’m your equal in assishness, but you have me beat on the hole.
Last night it was the Michiganders, tonight I’ll be drinking with the Canadians. So you know it’s going to be one of those nights where I barf blood-alcohol during toasts to poor Billy Barilko.
I’m apologizing to Jeff in advance and anyone else I might offend when I return. Sight and sound or mere talk of that Jesus-bleating Alaskan mother-cow causes me to rant madly.
Jane Seymour.
Sarah Palin took a town with $0 debt in 1996 and left it $22 million in the hole in 2002, mostly from the hockey rink/sports complex she shoved down their throats which never became the money generator she promised it would. Another white elephant from another white elephant.
Even with the stable Clinton economy during most of her mayoral tenure and Jack Abramoff’s crony she hired to lobby Washington to help her now indicted buddy Ted Stevens ring up $27 million in federal pork for tiny Wasilla (pop. 5000 when she entered office) she still managed to leave the town swimming in debt. Three of her pork projects even made McCain’s own wasteful spending list.
The following organization is the offshoot of President Reagan’s Private Sector Survey on Cost Control started in 1984, also known as the Grace Commission. Definitely not a Dem friendly group but even these guys apparently think Alaska is America’s welfare queen state.
Citizens Against Government Waste
http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=homePage
Rank State Pork Population Pork/Capita
2000 1 Alaska $394,514,000 619,500 $636.83
2001 1 Alaska $480,297,000 626,932 $766.11
2002 1 Alaska $451,334,278 634,892 $710.88
2003 1 Alaska $393,346,750 643,786 $610.99
2004 1 Alaska $524,329,000 648,818 $808.13
2005 1 Alaska $645,502,000 655,435 $984.85
2006 1 Alaska $325,106,000 663,661 $489.87
2007 not listed
2008 1 Alaska $379,699,715 683,478 $555.54
As governor she is borrowing from Alaska’s future while she wants to blow today’s Alaskan windfall oil tax bonanza and the huge surpluses they’ve generated on bread and circuses tax giveaways.
Alaska gets 89% of it’s operating budget from taxing oil coming out of the ground just like Arab kingdoms and Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela. They have no state income or sales tax up there. Instead of using that windfall to pay for all the profligate spending her Republican legislature keeps sending her she’s issuing bonds to pay for it which Alaskans and US taxpayers will have to pay off in future years while she takes credit for tax “rebates” while she’s governor.
Her fiscal policy is a disaster in the making which won’t hit til she’s left the governor’s office. She’d be a disaster as Vice President especially to a President who despite his grevious wounds and type A personality is already past the age his father and grandfather died of sudden heart attacks.
She can put on all the lipstick she wants but her political record is for the dogs.
[…] the schadenfreude. It has the rich scent of fine Corinthian Alaskan Moose […]
I see an “action alert” has been released.
This is where he just posts his stuff he copied from the Democracy Now website and then goes away isn’t it? That always makes me feel sort of cheap and used when he does that.
But during their rare orgasmic moments a softened glaze overtakes their Lubyanka hardened eyes. It’s what I live for, mostly, that and chilled vodka served with sliced pickles.
Cheap stilettos and expensive cigarettes, at least they have their priorities straight.
No sales or state tax? I’m moving to Alaska!
Oh yeah, no one takes a fucking like a Russian. For a while you think you’re King Kock, then it’s over and she wants you to leave the blue jeans and Japanese radio on the dresser and get out before you are seen by moose and squirrel.
I guess any fiscal policy currently in the black must be super-suspect then, or what else to think? Heh.
‘feets, did you check out your Monday turtle? Maybe not a Jane or a Lois, although healthy enough. I’m thinking maybe Mrs. Butterworth.
Refuse to be a doormat, Happy. DON’T READ THE WALL-OF-TEXT.
“umm at 670,000 the population of Alaska recieves the 2nd highest per capita earmark allocation.”
Sarah Palin’s baby is smarter than you, nishi.
“Comment by markg8 on 9/4 @ 4:39 pm #
Sarah Palin took a town with $0 debt in 1996 and left it $22 million in the hole in 2002, mostly from the hockey rink/sports complex she shoved down their throats which never became the money generator she promised it would. Another white elephant from another white elephant.”
But isn’t that called long term investing say like buying a house?
“#Comment by Carin on 9/4 @ 4:41 pm #
I see an “action alert†has been released.”
Google Wasilla Palin debt Results 1 – 10 of about 33,400 for Wasila debt palin.
I wonder at which end of the rink Sarah’s grandchild was conceived.
It’s a fair question!
You know who likes fucking on ice? Them Russian broads. Right before they light up a smoke, look you over one last time, then crack you over the head with a toboggan and steel your kidney for a quick black market buck.
McCain surges.
And on CBS, too.
Remarkable.
Comment by dre on 9/4 @ 4:47 pm #
“But isn’t that called long term investing say like buying a house?”
It’s Alaska dre. They need to rent indoor hockey rinks up there like Eskimos need refrigerators.
It’s a money pit the hockey mom stuck them with. Facts don’t lie. She’s no reformer. She supported the Bridge to Nowhere long after it was DOA in DC. And then she kept the pork and spent it on other projects. You’ll also notice in that chart just how much Alaska’s pork shrank after Dems took over. Go to the Citizens Against Government Waste website and you’ll see it shrank in the rest of the nation too.
Russian broads on ice? I think I saw that show when it came through town, as a kid.
“#
Comment by thor on 9/4 @ 4:50 pm #
I wonder at which end of the rink Sarah’s grandchild was conceived.
It’s a fair question!”
You’re a poor imitation of a human being, you fascist fucknozzle.
One of nishi’s mutants, perhaps?
It’s so cold outside Moscow that there’s no flies, that’s why they sell American kidneys at open markets hanging from salo hooks.
That you can buy your kidney back in rubles is the bonus of the deal. Would that happen in Alaska? Dare I say “nyet.”
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Thanks serr8d! They look just like mine.
She’s no hockey mom. She’s a hockey puck’s mom.
And 80% of Alaskans agree with her.
Maybe we should take away their votes. They clearly don’t know what’s best for them, the ignorant frostbitten hicks. But Barack does. O! knows all…
“O! knows all…”
The Eye of Sauron.
Kinda.
You know who likes outdoor sex more than moose? Alaskan hockey moms.
Ice, don’t I know it. Four cartons of Gauloise, two liters of greasy vodka and she tells me it’s “borscht week at Anechka’s house”. I tell her I happen to like borscht and she sticks a letter opener in my ribs and forces me to pay my last sixteen dollars for a knockoff icon and an envelope full of pictures from last year’s company picnic.
With The Old Guy as Gandalf and Sarah as a kick-ass Elf warrior….
And thor as Gollum.
A really despicable, inhuman Gollum.
And nishi as the mutant cyborg android with the defective brain.
The Eye of Sauron.
Kinda.
N., That’s no eye…
What, did Nishi the nanny-state-libertarian leave already?
“You’ll also notice in that chart just how much Alaska’s pork shrank after Dems took over.”
It’s the cold, happens to everyone.
mark8 knows a lot about Alaska. Just ask him.
Right now, Obama is saying it’s not sexist to criticize Palin’s lack of experience in Alaska. To which the obvious answer is, “Great, then it’s not racist to question your lack of experience.”
ABC poll has them tied now. O my O my…. lardy lardy….
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/04/opinion/polls/main4416798.shtml
#146 Carin:
I was thinking NPR. To break up that stodgy old ‘perfectly modulated voice’ thing they have going. I think it would be a real barn-burner of a show – real boffo.
#154 translated: “Jeff – I’m going to grossly insult little children tonight, especially handicapped babies; but don’t edit me because it isn’t me, its just the booze. But I want the credit for the witticisms except when I claim it was old John Barleycorn speaking. Really.”
Pathetic. Children scare you? You go, hammer-boy. And try to get the NPR gig. You need a wider audience.
Civilis: “What, did Nishi the nanny-state-libertarian leave already?”
Not sure the part that thinks ever got here — just cutting and pasting it in…
“A beautiful, confident, articulate, independent, accomplishedâ€â€and conservativeâ€â€woman apparently has enraged Team Obama, the mainstream media, and the entire American intelligentsia, as if they were collectively hit by a cruise missile aimed from Middle America.
When Palin talks about her present life it sounds as authentic as Biden’s showy populism came off as false. Enraged feminists are apparently the gatekeepers for less well-educated American women, who are supposed to have 0-1.5 children not 5! Their husbands must be professors, lawyers, CEOs, editorsâ€â€not snowmobile champions, union members, oil workers, and fishermenâ€â€or, worse, all in one! And unlike a Pelosi, Quinn, or Clinton, Palin, God forbid, did not rely on a powerful, wealthy husband or father to energize her career. Worse still, she took no women’s studies class, never attended the Ivy League, and shoots moose. The danger is not just that Sarah Palin could win McCain the election, but she could expose the entire flimsy structure of doctrinaire liberalism as the hypocrisyâ€â€and chauvinismâ€â€it has become. ”
-Victor Davis Hanson
@ #183
Thor-Gollum (explains the lisp)
I’m not going to Washington to seek their good opinion-…
They will certainly bestow it most unwillingly. But I bet by the end of the story, they farking do.
Or at least I might.
I do wish her connections didn’t chew gum on stage.
Stand there, Sarah W., and try to keep that level of poise. I am an attorney of twelve years standing, and I still get nervous when I have to stand up and argue in an administrative hearing. And I did four and a half years of substitute teaching before law school. A little gum chewing is excusable.
Not sure the part that thinks ever got here  just cutting and pasting it in…
Nishi’s “creative literacy” requires more than cutting and pasting, but her higher thinking have been absent for quite some time.
Seriously, I can respect someone who plans to vote for Barr; though I have some disagreements with his positions I can understand that train of thought. I’d even admit there’s a twisted logic behind Ron Paul (though I don’t respect his opinions). But the number of so-called libertarians rooting for Obama and the Socialist Democratic Party Machine is just weird. The only explanation is that they’re young boutique libertarian wannabes that are in it for the Marijuana legalization and the thrill of finding a “new” and “different” political affiliation that sounds cool yet have no idea at the underlying values. Nishi certainly doesn’t have any idea what she’s talking about.
There appears to be a variety of “libertarian” from the deep-blue areas that is largely indistinguishable from a leftist. I haven’t figured out if their self-labeling is faddish behavior or just a pose intended to shock their “progressive” neighbors.
Obama supporters, by and large, aren’t libertarian or socialist or anything else that’s politically definable. They are projectionists. Obama is a total vacuum, a nonentity, a blank screen upon which their own opinions write themselves. Lisa sees a center-leftist, cynn an unremarkable moderate. The Kos Kidz see a left pacifist with heavy socialist tendencies. Thor sees an upsetter, somebody who will grab the Washington Establishment and shake it warmly by the throat in congratulation. Nishi thinks he’s a Guardian of Science, and Amanda sees a Protector of Reproductive Rights. In fact his “position” is so vaguely defined, and his “proposals” so vacuous, that almost anyone can see him or herself reflected in them, provided that they are somewhere to the left of, say, Biden.
One reason libertarians might support Obama is that he’s about as close as we’re likely to get in the near future to “None of the Above”. The man literally has no concept of politics as having any purpose other than divvying up the spoils evenly enough to avoid street fights, because he has no experience of it otherwise. As such he has the potential to be the biggest nonentity to have occupied the office, Taft not excepted. Unfortunately what that really means is a blank check to Pelosi and Reid.
And yes, if you take libertarianism far enough and add in a strong form of egalitarianism you get “egalism”, which might be regarded as the strong form of the Tall Poppy philosophy and is indistinguishable from some of the more rancid versions of leftism without a close (and preferably destructive) analysis.
Regards,
Ric
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Nishi,
Believe it or not, I have in the past actually been interested in your commentary (from time to time). But I’m sorry to say, that in the last few months, the quality of your discussion has, very honestly, plummeted.
At one point, you provided an interesting counterpoint that you at least presented with some color and agility. Granted, I thought then and think now that you’re pretty wrong about a pretty wide array of things.
But in recent weeks and months, you have become unfortunately monotone, and at best can simply rephrase your previous posts in a less interesting, more dogmatic and pedantic fashion.
It has become quite clear that you no longer come here to engage, or even to argue, but simply to screech and foam.
Would you kindly do me the favor of disappearing at least until the saner Nishi of months gone by is willing to reappear?
Respectfully,
BRD
Reading this thread is hilarious. I am glad I am an independent and don’t subscribe to either ideology. Both sides have serious flaws and it comes down to the lesser of two evils. I admit Obama has a lot of issues on character but so does McCain. Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the whole experience argument come into play with Hillary vs. Obama and then later the Republicans picked it up and used the same argument for McCain?? So if a guy retorts later and says to the American public you guys want to question my experience what about this person(Palin) that has just been nominated?? Then all of a sudden the question is turned on the Obama camp as if they were the ones that started the whole experience question. C’mon of all the democratic nominees Barack was the least experienced, so logically I find it hard swallow the fact that they are the ones pushing this question. I think they are just responding to it, more or less. Truthfully Barack and Palin have really no experience in the grand scheme of things when it comes to politics. Biden and McCain have the most experience regardless of your like or dislike for either of them. As far as Palin goes this is election time and this is politics, it’s her turn now. Barack has been bashed on Fox and all of its news programs about Wright and other associations. Which is the job of a news establishment to do so. However he did not like the media including his family and his response was to lay of my wife. I think that would have been any caring husband’s response if it were their wife. He later says to the media that he is against going at Palin’s family because obviously he did not like anyone going at his family as well. He said family should be off limits. I agree. Just like McCain could not control the republican supporters that went after Michelle Obama, Barack can’t control democrat supporters who go after Palin’s family. He at least states his position on the matter. Look we can talk character all day but the reality of the matter is both parties are in Politics. Politics is Latin and when broken down “Poli” meaning many and “tics” meaning blood sucking creatures. Politicians tell all of us what we want to hear, none of these people are the first to do so. So both parties please spare me the holier than thou attitudes.
All of these guys have bad character traits. Barack’s problem is poor association choices. He like the little kid at school that wants to be friends with all the bad ass popular kids until one of his popular friends get in trouble. McCain is no better of a man than Barack. Any man who cheats on his invalid wife and marries a beer airess cannot brag about character as well. He may be a lucky man, his mistress is hot I must confess but it doesn’t validate his character. If he can lie to his loved ones and keep them in the dark about topics like that then lying to the American public can’t be too hard to do with a straight face.
Knowing that I don’t care about any of the character because they are all politicians and professional liars, it’s their job people. Our job is to figure out for ourselves which liar will get the professional job done to our liking. Just like Michelle Obama was quoted as saying she was proud of her country for the first time in her adult life, McCain was also but his came after Michelle and some how that part of the transcript was scrubbed by Fox. He stated when he was a POW he did not realize how much he loved America until he was captured and tortured. Guess it’s nothing like a little medieval mischief to make you love your country, huh. I for one love my country and it doesn’t take torture to make me realize that. So for the sake of not being a hypocrite I am throwing all character out the window because as I stated earlier both sides smell like raw sewage. What’s left? Instead of back and forth rhetoric by both sides, I look forward to the debates because that will tell me which side is better prepared to answer the questions I have because frankly neither side has truly answered that in great detail only brief generalizations. Let’s talk specifics about health care, specifics about the economy, specifics about the war, not just brief beliefs and outlines but a hard core written policy. I loved Reagan and Clinton, but hated both Bushes, so that shows you I am clearly bipartisan. Let’s face it Reagan and Clinton were not the sharpest knives in the drawer but both were highly effective presidents. Reagan was not an Ivory league person like the Bushes and Bill, what I can say he was from Arkansas, I repeat Arkansas. Yet they both did a great job with this country their two terms in office. So all this releasing grades and Affirmative Action (which is another topic within itself) has nothing to do with anything. They both did a sensational job minus Bill getting his knob polished but that’s personal not business. Just proves he was a bad husband not a bad President and the same for McCain cheating on his wife, proves he is a bad husband not a bad senator. So all character analysis means nothing only in-depth policies and reform measures mean anything. We have the next couple of months for both parties to really prove that. The back and forth bickering about character and association mean nothing because in the end Washington D.C. is loaded with slime and both parties are up to their necks in it. I should know, I live here. For the record all the elitist crap should be silenced because the truth is if you consider yourself an intellectual then you are already an elitist. You’re just in denial. I do consider myself an intellectual so that’s that. From reading this blog everyone posting her consider themselves one too. Whether we agree that everyone here is an intellectual is irrelevant, only the fact that we consider ourselves intellectuals is relevant. Bottom line both parties are scum and no one has any moral ground to judge anyone so everyone pleases stop assuming because we all know what the first three letters in assume are. No ones opinion is better than anyone else is on this board, because opinions are like butts everyone has one. Good luck in every ones choice and may God continue to bless America.
Nice wall of text there, Broderick. i can’t be bothered to slog through it, but this is hilarious.
Heh, I repeat, heh. Fuck those Ivory Leaguers!
nishi.
You are such a nitwit. If you really had any understanding of what “faith” is, you might be able to figure out that creationism and Darwinism are not mutually exclusive – if you have the brain power to be able to understand the word “allegory”.
But it’s obvious that thought is way above your pay grade.
You are not as intellectually hip (an oxymoron to start with) as you think you are. You are really nothing more than an ego tripping, infantile little piss-ant.
Broderick’s wisdom is about sitting on the fence and defending Barry because no one has the right to not sit on the fence and judge anyone except people with asses. Or something.
Broderick, at the right-hand side of your keyboard is a key entitled, alternately “enter” or “return” depending on the manufacture of the keyboard. You may want to look into its use.
I think People tuned into hearing Palin speak to hear what she had to say. For me she came across as a beauty contestant wanting to garner votes not as a VP. For that reason, after her speech many people sent money to Obama to make sure she did not win. She became what she is via many women who worked hard to see that women had rights and could be politicians. She then threw them aside in her religious conservative views. As a woman, this is the most horrible thing a woman can do to those who gave so much before her.
For me she came across as a beauty contestant wanting to garner votes not as a VP.
You’ve never had an original thought in your life, troll.
Thanks for the tip Malaclypse. I didn’t know that, being that I type from 10-6 all day at the office. When I was typing that thread I was in a hurry so please spare me the sarcasm. I type 80 words a minute so I know where the enter button is sir. My error, but please save me the witty comments from the peanut gallery.
Republican on Acid, defending Barry?? I am glad you know more about my position than I do, because I haven’t a clue what you are talking about. I am sitting on the fence at this point because both nominees’ are morons. I will make the decision when it is time. After some serious debating on the issues is done, then I will make that decision. I have stated I am neither Republican nor Democrat so what do you want from me?? To bad Nader isn’t running. He has done more for this country than any current candidate. My fault, if he was running Democrats would probably kill him for taking their votes away and helping the republicans win. Alas, the lesser of two evils what is a man to do but get drunk and play spin the bottle with both parties twiddle dee and twiddle dumb.
McCain had to move over to the change position because the experience thing didn’t work for him anymore. Just like bush, WMD’s, none found, how about democracy in Iraq. If it doesn’t fit try something else. McCain is pathetic.
um…
Are these drive-by copy-paste trolls really stupid enough to think that we’re stupid enough to fall for this crap?
I’m both amused and insulted.
there you go thinking you’re all “intellectual” again, SBP. How fast can you type, though?
Real muhfuggin’ fast, if I’m allowed to copy and paste, and don’t have to worry about trivia (like paragraphs).
At this point, I don’t care about your “experience” distraction. I want my F’in country back and the Repubs are not going to give it to me. I don’t want an admin that gives their own people “choice” but takes away mine, I don’t want a drill-drill without thought, I don’t want my government contracted out to Blackwater-an Amway company or Northrup-a totally incompetent company, I don’t want to alienate the rest of the world with violent rhetoric, I want my neighbors to feel secure without losing their rights. I don’t want a president who has so many houses he doesn’t understand how hard I am trying to hang on to mine, and a possible 1st lady who wore a $300,000 outfit to the convention. I want vision and nuanced thought to help us compete in a very difficult world & I don’t see that from the Rebubs.
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Thank you, ritgar. I don’t care about either party for the sake of caring for a party. The elitism of the Democrats turns me off just as much as the constant Republican weapons metaphors turn me off. What I DO care about is trying a different system. Can the republicans honestly not see that their economic policies have failed? If the economy is so important to everyone, why on earth does Sarah Palin or Joe Biden or anyone else matter? The fact is, Democrats have a fundamentally different economic outlook than Republicans. The Republicans got it wrong for 8 years, so why not try the Democrats’ method now? Please, someone answer me this without changing the subject!
I don’t want a drill-drill without thought
But yet you copy and paste dullwitted talking points.
Funny, innit?
Can the republicans honestly not see that their economic policies have failed
Hint: get a job, then get back to us.
At least Broderick is somewhat honest, admitting he wants Nader (who I believe is running, although not on the ballot in all states), although Nader voters who claim to be conflicted between McCain and Obama are almost as confused as big-government libertarians.
Hannah, McCain brings experience and change to Washington. And, FYI, Iraq was about Democracy and WMDs (of which we did find some). But you’re a troll, and you already know this.
Independancy, the facts are that Republican economic policies have not failed. The economy mostly goes up and down on its own. Right now, some things are down and some things are still good. While the economy does mostly go down on its own, there are a few things Washington does that can assist. Higher taxes may balance the budget, but they make the economy worse. A windfall tax on oil will drive the price of gas (and everything else) higher, while sending money and jobs to Hugo Chavez and Saudia Arabia. While Obama talks about change and making the economy better, his proposals do nothing to fix the economy.
Funny, Malaclypse I see exaggeration is definitely your strong suit. Guess you were a real smarty pants in school. Must go beat up a lot too, huh?
Palin should be happy. She’s gotten the media love an attention that was once “Obama territory.”
I don’t want to alienate the rest of the world with violent rhetoric…
Then shut up already.
Can the republicans honestly not see that their economic policies have failed?
No. Please explain which indicators lead you to believe this?
The fact is, Democrats have a fundamentally different economic outlook than Republicans. The Republicans got it wrong for 8 years, so why not try the Democrats’ method now? Please, someone answer me this without changing the subject!
Because socialism hasn’t worked as well as capitalism anywhere, anytime in history. Government control hasn’t worked as well as the free market. If the government didn’t control your education, you would probably understand this. Resonably intelligent farmers don’t need to try eating all their seed corn for a change to know it is a bad idea. The economy is no different, you can’t have growth is you squander all the seed.
Go beat up a what?
Civilis: “Nishi’s “creative literacy†requires more than cutting and pasting, but her higher thinking have been absent for quite some time.”
The last couple that stick in my head were political talking points cut and pasted,but I won’t argue the larger point.
Civilis: “But the number of so-called libertarians rooting for Obama and the Socialist Democratic Party Machine is just weird. The only explanation is that they’re young boutique libertarian wannabes that are in it for the Marijuana legalization and the thrill of finding a “new†and “different†political affiliation that sounds cool yet have no idea at the underlying values. ”
There are also those kool-aid drinkers who believe that if things get bad enough, people will turn to the Libertarians to fix things — so this year, why not the greater of two evils. But, yeah, the poseur factor seems to be strong in that one.
Barr isn’t really a Libertarian — suing toforceyour
“Sarah Palin took a town with $0 debt in 1996 and left it $22 million in the hole in 2002, mostly from the hockey rink/sports complex she shoved down their throats which never became the money generator she promised it would. Another white elephant from another white elephant.”
Looks like she’s learned from her mistake. Amazing what learning opportunities actual executive experience affords!
“But the number of so-called libertarians rooting for Obama and the Socialist Democratic Party Machine is just weird.”
Nah, the hot new tag is “social libertarian”, which leaves the economics to, you know, hep cats like Che.
correction, Must got beat up a lot too, huh? Thanks pablo.
oh my God, i just witnessed a true american hero who will shake up both republicans and democrats when he gets elected…mccain palin against republican congress / democratic congress/ all lobbyist / and especially 000BAMA / 000BIDEN…go mccain…shake up congress…they are totally worthless…go palin destroy the lobbyist and special interest…get us some oil…get us back in business…!
“Can the republicans honestly not see that their economic policies have failed?”
No, because they haven’t. What has failed is the attempt to artificially control access to energy resources. Create a scarcity by instituting safety and environmental tests on the production, refining and delivery of any kind of energy, be it coal, oil, hydro, electrical transmission, nuclear or natural gas. Then wonder why energy is expensive and energy companies can charge so much. Then, tax the shit out of them.
That’s an economic policy that’s failed, but I don’t think it’s a Republican policy.
by the way…this represents the election…the flipper represents OBAMA…and the STANDER represents MCCAIN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2VwnBU1-iU
Just an observation to those who default to the old “the press is against us” rhetoric whenever your favorite candidate is criticized by the media: if it’s true that the media is so powerful and left-leaning, then GW Bush should never have won the elections in 2000 and 2004, right? If conservatives are so confident that McCain will win a third Republican term a la GHW Bush after Reagan, they shouldn’t care, should they? One good thing that would come out of an Obama win is it would spark the creation of “conservative whining” talk shows, like Rush Limbaugh had during Clinton’s term. They’re always good for a giggle.
my reference is that Palin is the Stepford Wife of a dying, decrepit republican party.
Nishi, you ignorant slut. You are completely misreading Sarah Palin with your 2 dimentional big city cultural bigotry. You underestimate an educated country woman. Palin represents a return to conservatism as the core of the party.
OF course the MSM is going to try and destroy her; they do that on every Republican. It’s why our side has the stronger ideas; they aren’t subsidized and propped up by a sycophantic non-Media operation that is specifically and openly supporting one political party over another. we have to acually engage in debate, as opposed to you, who is reduced to mouthing propaganda talking points for big city liberal bigots and the DNC.
I don’t want an admin that gives their own people “choice†but takes away mine, I don’t want a drill-drill without thought, I don’t want my government contracted out to Blackwater-an Amway company or Northrup-a totally incompetent company, I don’t want to alienate the rest of the world with violent rhetoric, I want my neighbors to feel secure without losing their rights. I don’t want a president who has so many houses he doesn’t understand how hard I am trying to hang on to mine, and a possible 1st lady who wore a $300,000 outfit to the convention. I want vision and nuanced thought to help us compete in a very difficult world & I don’t see that from the Rebubs.
I think this commenter learned all her politics from reading bumper stickers. She left a few off:
No blood for oil!
If you’re not outraged, you’re not paying attention
Alex: “Just an observation to those who default to the old “the press is against us†rhetoric whenever your favorite candidate is criticized by the media: if it’s true that the media is so powerful and left-leaning, then GW Bush should never have won the elections in 2000 and 2004, right? If conservatives are so confident that McCain will win a third Republican term a la GHW Bush after Reagan, they shouldn’t care, should they?”
Media bias gives the liberals an edge, but it is not everything.
Alex: “One good thing that would come out of an Obama win is it would spark the creation of “conservative whining†talk shows, like Rush Limbaugh had during Clinton’s term.”
Ok, Alex, this might require you to take of your shoes so you can count that high, but Limbaugh started his national show in 1988 — a full presidential term before Clinton was anything other than just another Southern governor. But then, if you listened, as opposed to making assumptions, you’d know Limbaugh might do a lot of things, but whining ain’t high on that list.
Speaking of whining media, how’s AirAmerica working out? After ousting their fraudster of a founder, I mean.
Besides, Baracky will end up being the tail to the Democrats in the legislature’s dog, so, if elected, it will be government censorship under the heading of “the Fairness Doctrine.”
That’s so sad. Poor Must.
We’ll need to be prepared to hear the “no more Bush/Republicans” theme as the single most important reason to vote for !O! a gazillion times a day between now and Nov. There will be many variations from the various meme spewers,cut and paste bombers and bitter trollsters but the message remains the same. It’s foundational, don’cha know!
They’d vote for Bongo the Epileptic Musk Rat as long as it was !CHANGE! from !THUGLICAN WARMONGERS!
Critical Thinking: It’s out to dinner!
She became what she is via many women who worked hard to see that women had rights and could be politicians. She then threw them aside in her religious conservative views. As a woman, this is the most horrible thing a woman can do to those who gave so much before her.
Bullshit, This is the leftwing feminist version of calling Clarence Thomas a “House Nigger” because he rejects the leftwing racist identity politics of the NAALCP.
Tell me, O brave Feminista, how did you leftist progressive modern femi-commies come to reject the the anti-abortion positions of the Sisters who came before you and got you the right to vote? How come you are SPITTING IN THEIR EYES with your rejection of what they believed as they fought for an actual Civil Right, as opposed to the magical “right” to kill your unborn child? Oh, thats right. You’re an intellectual bigot who can’t ackowledge that intelligent, independent women could actually disagree with Betty “I’m a Communist organiser posing as a housewife” Freidan. Way to go,
Someone claiming to be an “independent” who supports Nader would be delightfully clueless coming from a small child. From an adult, it’s kinda scary.
Sgt Ted, the right to kill their unborn is the only right they care about anymore.
She then threw them aside in her religious conservative views. As a woman, this is the most horrible thing a woman can do to those who gave so much before her.
Makes me ashamed I ever considered myself a feminist.
As a woman, this is the most horrible thing a woman can do to those who gave so much before her.
Sexist PIG. How dare you tell a woman what her opinion should be on a political subject as a condition of her biology? You are the equivalent of the husband who tells their wife how to vote. A disrepectful, controlling asshole sexist PIG. Down with PIGS!
Just in case you were wondering…. Cindy McCain’s $300,000 Outfit
You really don’t need to be spending more than $600.00 on earrings. But $280K is a wild assed guess.
Best Sarah Line to date (Overseas Category)
The Times On-Line…
“The best line I heard about Sarah Palin during the frenzied orgy of chauvinist condescension and gutter-crawling journalistic intrusion that greeted her nomination for vice-president a week ago came from a correspondent who knows a thing or two about Alaska.
“What’s the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?â€Â
“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let’s be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.
“The other kills her own food.†“
That bitch, Pablo. Honestly, only Hollywood stars deserve to be wearing expensive jewelry.
But, if 3 K diamond earrings cost $280,000 I’m wondering how much my great-grandma’s 5 K ring is worthy. Of course, my grandpa gave it to his new wife when my grandma (who had inherited it) died.
I thought the best line was:
Whats the difference between a Hockey Mom and a pitbull?
Lipstick.
That’s domestic, Ted.
It is important that there are some folks what understand what is going on.
I do find it a shame that some European observers have a clearer vision of this country than some so-called “journalists” who claim US citizenship, at least when convenient.
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how bout a House Ways and Means Committee chairman? *