September 1, 2008

Breeders breeding breeders: will this horror never end?

Darleen has already noted the release of the story, by the McCain campaign, that Bristol Palin, the 17-year-old daughter of Gov. Sarah Palin, is pregnant and will marry the father of the child.

But here’s the interesting bit, politically speaking. From Reuters:

Senior McCain campaign officials said McCain knew of the daughter’s pregnancy when he selected Palin last week as his vice presidential running mate, deciding that it did not disqualify the 44-year-old governor in any way.

In the short period since she was announced last Friday, Palin has helped to energize the Republican Party’s conservative base, giving the McCain camp fresh energy going into the campaign for the November 4 election against Democrat Barack Obama.

McCain officials said the news of the daughter’s pregnancy was being released to rebut what one aide called “mud-slinging and lies” circulating on liberal blog sites.

According to these rumors, Sarah Palin had faked a pregnancy and pretended to have given birth in May to her fifth child, a son named Trig who has Down syndrome. The rumor was that Trig was actually Bristol Palin’s child and that Sarah Palin was the grandmother.

A senior McCain campaign official said the McCain camp was appalled that these rumors had not only been spread around liberal blog sites and partisan Democrats, but also were the subject of heightened interest from mainstream news media.

“The despicable rumors that have been spread by liberal blogs, some even with Barack Obama’s name in them, is a real anchor around the Democratic ticket, pulling them down in the mud in a way that certainly juxtaposes themselves against their ‘campaign of change,'” a senior aide said.

[my emphases]

Many on the left will believe, quite mistakenly, that such an announcement is likely to weaken Palin’s support among “the hard-right conservative base”. But in fact, it will do no such thing — first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue; and second, because those energized over the choice of Palin include many disaffected libertarians and classical liberals who were, until the announcement of the Governor’s candidacy, set to either sit the election out, or else cast a protest vote for Bob Barr.

That the Palin family — by dint of ugly rumor mongering from “progressive activists” and a compliant left-leaning press that was cynically situating itself to pretend that these rumors “needed investigating” — was all but compelled to release information about their teenage daughter, is precisely the kind of thing that drives real civil libertarians and privacy advocates crazy, especially because the information has nothing whatever to do with Governor Palin’s candidacy, but instead invades the privacy (and quite possibly affects the “choice”) of a minor.

This kind of savage smear campaign by leftists and so-called “feminists” — a campaign that forced a young woman to make public a very private matter in order to stop vicious rumors about the Palin family — suggests that, when it comes to “privacy concerns” (NSA data mining for terrorists = bad; demanding the release of a Governor’s medical records = good; parental notification for abortions performed on women under a certain age = bad; insisting that the world be privy to the private sexual and family concerns of the seventeen-year-old daughter of a conservative = good), “progressives” care about such things only insofar as it protects their political interests and advances their political agenda.

The left, as it has now been shown in one of the ugliest incidences of McCarthyite bullying I can remember, has no core belief in privacy, or even an investment in actual “choice” for women — unless the woman in question falls in line with their particular orthodoxies, that is. Anyone else is an “anti-woman” woman, and as such is subject to public exposure and ridicule.

The ironic thing is, Bristol Palin’s political beliefs aren’t even known, beyond (I assume) her support for her mother. But hey: all is fair in love and war, and suddenly, the progressive left seems quite unconcerned with “collateral damage” and “the children!™

Hopefully, any real feminist — not the kinds of second wave “establishment feminists” who have eschewed the end game of equality for the politically charged power politics of identity group activism and grievance pimping — will be so appalled by what has transpired over the last several days that they will run screaming from the “enlightened” base of the Democratic party: totalitarian “progressives” who have devoured Alinsky like he was a particularly plump and inviting veggie burger.

They are what they pretend to despise. And in the quiet moments between attacks, I suspect many of them recognize this, and secretly curse what it is they’ve become.

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update: thor argues in the comments:

If Sarah Palin thinks so highly of privacy and her family matters then why in the hell does she want to dictate to others regarding their decisions of “privacy” and “family matters” when it comes to pregnancy?

This, my friends, is a breathtaking moment of hypocrisy (pun driven too).

My response, which is actually a general response to this kind of question, is really rather simple: Being anti-abortion is a position with respect to a practice. So far as I know, Palin is not calling for the bombing of clinics, or the harassment of women who make the choice to have an abortion. It just happens to be her opinion that abortion is wrong — just as it is thor’s opinion that hicks from Alaska have no business doing anything other than skinning bears and making little beer-swilling trailer trash urchins for him to sniff at.

Perhaps Palin believes fetuses are children, and as such, are entitled to protection of the law. This view is shared by many people — and plays to a libertarian concern over the hierarchy of rights: if a fetus is a child (or eventually is defined as such by scientific advancement), does that child not have the right to life? For my part, I believe eventually science will make this a moot question as viability of the fetus outside the womb is extended. Which is why right now I remain reluctantly pro-choice. But for me this is a difficult question — and the easiest answer, it seems to me, is to dismiss the fetus altogether and pat yourself on the back for supporting women when what you are supporting is a practice that may help some women and may harm others.

— None of which has anything to do with “privacy.” Again, Governor Palin has not, that I’ve seen, called for a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion. Rather, she has stated her opinion on what to her appears to be a moral issue.

Being against the practice of abortion has not impelled Sarah Palin to put up a statewide list of those who have had abortions. Those who advocate for parental notification aren’t advocating for a scarlet letter.

So, as is so often the case, thor’s “argument” is a piece of vindictive misdirection. As I say, I’m (reluctantly) pro-choice. But even so, I believe Roe v Wade was bad law — and pointing it out, or even disagreeing with a particular reproductive practice, does not necessarily suggest that one is trying to stick her nose into another woman’s uterus. Instead, they believe that what they are doing is acting as an advocate for an unborn child.

And science — by way of advancements that keep the fetus viable ever longer outside the womb — seems to be moving the debate in their direction.

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update 2: More from Malkin and Hot Air.

Alas, from a left/feminist perspective, looks like Bristol is gonna be “punished with a baby.” And a husband. And a tight-knit family that supports her. Poor dear.

Lesson: teenage sex is good and shouldn’t be discouraged provided we have a mechanism to kill off whatever we call that thing inside that acts as a “punishment.” I mean, who knew it would be the left who saw sin growing in a young woman’s womb?

First, Marcotte proves to be a Calvinist — and now the argument of the left appeals to hardcore Catholicism?

Wow. Strange days, indeed.

Wonder how the product of a single mom, Barry O!, will treat this shameless wilderness hussy…?

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:02am
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Comments (661)

  1. a veggie burger cooked over a carbon neutral heat source mind you…

  2. As a Christian who only decided to vote because of Palin, I’m still voting for her.

    This just shows how little the left actually understands evangelicals. They have no clue that we don’t demand perfection, and that most of us understand forgiveness. And that a lot of evangelicals have faced/are facing the exact same situation.

    That being said, it does hurt. Mainly because they will turn this into a “Palin is an unfit mother” crusade.

    I’m just wondering – how bad is the damage going to be in the end?

  3. This kind of savage smear campaign by leftists and so-called “feminists” — a campaign that forced a young woman to make public a very private matter in order to stop vicious rumors about the Palin family — suggests that, when it comes to “privacy concerns” (NSA data mining for terrorists = bad; demanding the release of a Governor’s medical records = good; parental notification for abortions performed on women under a certain age = bad; insisting that the world be privy to the private sexual and family concerns of the seventeen-year-old daughter of a conservative = good), “progressives” care about such things only insofar as it protects their political interests and advances their political agenda.

    If Sarah Palin thinks so highly of privacy and her family matters then why in the hell does she want to dictate to others regarding their decisions of “privacy” and “family matters” when it comes to pregnancy?

    This, my friends, is a breathtaking moment of hypocrisy (pun driven too).

  4. And yet, they may not be able to “curse what they have become” because they possess no mirrors. Leftism means never having to be responsible for anything. That’s why it is so seductive to young people; it is always someone else’s fault.

  5. first, because the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue;

    It’s like your psychic. Just posted by thor on another thread:

    Comment by thor on 9/1 @ 10:58 am #

    Have no fear, even if Bristol Palin was raped by a prison escapee in the back of her Mommy’s pick-up truck… she’s going to deliver that precious Christian baby!

    If I didn’t know any better, I’d say you made thor up.

  6. I say put these teenage breeders in pioneer dresses, bearing large yellow crucifixes on the breast, and expose their sin to one and all.

    BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!

  7. your=you’re

  8. If Sarah Palin thinks so highly of privacy and her family matters then why in the hell does she want to dictate to others regarding their decisions of “privacy” and “family matters” when it comes to pregnancy?

    Yea, if thor wants to bed his daughter, who the hell are we to judge?

  9. If Bristol was O’Bambi’s daughter, they’d quietly vacuum away the ‘punishment’.

  10. “If Sarah Palin thinks so highly of privacy and her family matters then why in the hell does she want to dictate to others regarding their decisions of “privacy” and “family matters” when it comes to pregnancy?”

    Oh, I don’t know. Is it more or less “breathtaking” than multi millionaires (Kennedy, Kerry, Edwards, Boxer, etc. always criticizing ‘The Rich’?

    Again, you lefties have no mirrors.

  11. Hey Jeff, glad to see you so enthused and writing prolifically lately. Good timing. Keep up the good work.

  12. Apart from the soon-to-be-launched squabble over feminist authenticity, and whether Palin is allowing her daughter’s opportunities to be limited by the soon-to-be-birthed eight pounds of horrifyingly opportunity-limiting human protoplasm, I am one hundred percent certain this will lead to further whispered insults of “tralier trash.”

    It’s an interesting phenomenon that the left is comfortable with women only insofar as they are the right kind of women, whereas they don’t seem to be comfortable with middle class people, backgrounds and values at all. Regardless of the constant chin-wagging about “hard working American men and women” or somesuch, the appearance of Palin, her hard-working husband, their oh-so-pedestrian pastimes, and their family with real family issues, seems to have sent them running the other way.

    I guess we all aren’t getting the message of Change the right way: we just need to change and be more like Team Barry.

  13. Pingback: Hot Air » Blog Archive » Oy: Palin’s daughter is pregnant

  14. Hopefully Bristol Palin’s baby-daddy heard Obama’s speech on the responsibility of fathers.

    That Obama sure gives a hell’uva speech!

    But decisions of responsibility are so deeply “personal” to some. Why should we even be openly talking about it?

  15. If Sarah Palin thinks so highly of privacy and her family matters then why in the hell does she want to dictate to others regarding their decisions of “privacy” and “family matters” when it comes to pregnancy?

    This, my friends, is a breathtaking moment of hypocrisy (pun driven too).

    Being anti-abortion is a postition with respect to a practice. So far as I know, Palin is not calling for the bombing of clinics, or the harassment of women who make that choice. It just happens to be her opinion.

    Perhaps Palin believes fetuses are children, and as such, are entitled to protection. None of which has anything to do with “privacy.” Again, she has not, that I’ve seen, called for a Constitutional Amendment banning abortion. Rather, she has stated her opinion on what is to her a moral issue.

    Being against the practice of abortion has not impelled Sarah Palin to put up a statewide list of those who have had abortions.

    So, as is so often the case, thor’s “argument” is a piece of vindictive misdirection. I’m pro-choice. But even so, I believe Roe v Wade was bad law.

  16. Jumping Jesus on a polo stick – has anyone seen Excitable Andy’s post on this?

    “Now they’ve cleared the air on this – and good for them – what harm would it do to release the medical records showing that Sarah Palin delivered Trig on April 18 in Wasilla? This is not hard: there must be an obstetrician, medical records, and data that can easily refute this rumor. It is not out of the ordinary either: candidates routinely issue medical records. So let’s have them. And then we can move on.”

    So, much to his glee, there was a pony in there after all. And, having proven so by dragging a teenager’s personal life into the national spotlight, Andy attempts to complete his stunt by rooting around in a mother’s medical records concerning her baby, placing the burden of proof on her to disprove a rumor that he couldn’t prove in the first place. Words fail.

  17. I meant pogo stick, of course.

  18. I am one hundred percent certain this will lead to further whispered insults of “tralier trash.”

    The self-declared “champions of the people” are elitist to a degree that the stereotypical blue-blood would find disgusting.

  19. Joe Biden tried to destroy Justice Thomas, and he did end up destroying the charactor of what Bill Bennett called “the greatest living American” in millions of American’s minds. When Justice Thomas wrote a book about his life, including the “high-tech lynching” Biden put him through, he concluded his nomination wasn’t worth it. That’s the left in action.

    Teddy K. did destroy R. Bork’s nomination, not to mention his character.

    These people are McCain’s friends. They all get a long just fine. Business as usual.

    If McCain didn’t give a shit that this happened to conservatives of extremely high character, what does that say ahout him?

  20. How about we change the names in the story by substituting “Hillary” for “Sarah” and “Chelsea” for “Bristol”?

    Oh, that’s right. Children (apparently only those named Chelsea) are off limits.

  21. Sarah Palin is so full of it that I demand to know if she’s currently carrying.

    Show America her obstetric ultrasonography! Or at least the stick of a pee test!

  22. Count me as apalled. Whatever qualms I might have felt about McCain’s choice are vapor now. I worried that if I had my reservations about his pick, that moderates or swingvoters would be even more likely to have them; but I can imagine this disgusting and deeply dishonest line of attack causing second thoughts about which vote really protects the rights and dignity of women.

  23. Yeah. I don’t really go over to Andy’s site at all anymore. Let the kos kids give him traffic since that’s his preferred demographic.

    Andrew “She’s a Witch!” Sullivan

  24. - This who;e mad house reaction has nothing to do with Palin specifically.

    – They’re scared shitless of Palins nomination bringing up what they did to Hillery, and making a mockery of their supposed “women caring for women” meme.

    – They’re also running scared from the nature of their upside down ticket. I notice the “OBiden” theme is being carried more and more.

    – So far, every bitter attacking point is countered by one even stronger. They are still back on their heels playing defense, as they have been for weeks, and each attack that falls on its face costs Obama yet more polling points.

    – The Left knows if they can’t change that situation soon, they’re in trouble, so they’ll try anything. They’ve nothing to lose at this point. Or so they believe.

  25. I sorry but……..I think Sarah Palin comes with a lot of baggage!! She has a lot of controversy surrounding her. I just think It was very risky of McCain to choose her as his running mate. Maybe she should withdraw her position as VP and raise her kids and grandkid!!! Her daughter is to young to know how to properly care for a baby and it looks like she’s in need of more guidance!!

  26. Pingback: Sarah Palin’s Daughter “Punished With A Baby” « Blog Entry « Dr. Melissa Clouthier

  27. Her daughter is to young to know how to properly care for a baby and it looks like she’s in need of more guidance!!

    and of course father’s are useless for that, am I right?

  28. If she is so risky, why should she withdraw? If she is indeed a bad choice, it will drag down the ticket and Obama will win, which is what you want I imagine. No, you didn’t say it outright, but the subtext is there.

  29. Wasn’t there the insinuation during 2000 and 2004 that since Cheney’s daughter was gay that the religious right should drop-kick the Bush administration?

    Keep attacking, left. I’ve got some more rope over here I can give you.

  30. Maybe she should withdraw her position as VP and raise her kids and grandkid!!!

    BACK TO THE KITCHEN, BITCH!

    AND LEAVE YOUR SHOES HERE.

    Her daughter is to young to know how to properly care for a baby and it looks like she’s in need of more guidance!

    Yea, there’s so little room at the Naval Observatory for a nursery.

    And you just can’t find good help in govenment these days…

  31. Fathers are indeed useless, maggie of cats. It is best, in fact, that they be separated from the family soonest, as they tend to beat women and abuse children at an alarming rate, and have never proven necessary to the raising of the children in question. Just ask the local CPS in your town. They will be very glad to help.

  32. Give! Give up! You’re backed into the corner of blatant hypocrisy! You can’t win this one!

    Thor was RIGHT!

    Just say it. After the first couple of times it’ll begin roll off your tongue like a loogey.

    Sarah Palin belongs on Jerry Springer, not in the White House.

    Stop lying to yourselves.

  33. You know who did a fine job of child rearing? Was that Kennedy lady.

  34. Frankly thor, I am appalled that on this blog, of all the blogs on the internet, you would tacitly voice approval for attacking a child just because you disagree with their parent’s politics.

  35. Srstamps01. In that vein of thinking, her husband shouldn’t do anymore snowmobile racing, right? Or work in the oil fields? Everyone should stay home and sit on their children to prevent them from making any mistakes during their adolescent years.

    Or we could act as if even the children of good parents can make mistakes, and that they should have support and love, but still be allowed to live and learn from their mistakes.

  36. Jeff, I’ll wager a six-pack of beer and a three-pack of condoms that the Alaskan governor backs out.

    Choose your flavor.

  37. No, thor was wrong. And he’s proven himself to be a tiresome (though tireless) wannabe-elitist misogynist of the highest order.

    Clever word play doesn’t ironize away what is a rather fetid heart, thor.

    Go on — launch your polychromatic folly in response. Drop a line from Italo on us. But I’m through with you as anything other than an object lesson.

  38. If she backs out, McCain loses. And the McCarthyites win. Enjoy your Utopia, thor.

  39. th*r don’t give a shit, progressives love trustafarians, it’s a large part of their base. It will be much easier for him to be a suffering artiste if times aren’t so good for everybody else, though.

  40. Comment by Salt Lick on 9/1 @ 11:45 am #

    Frankly thor, I am appalled that on this blog, of all the blogs on the internet, you would tacitly voice approval for attacking a child just because you disagree with their parent’s politics.

    If I didn’t make it clear enough prior I’ll do so now. I couldn’t care less about the small town beauty queen known as Sarah Palin. Revenge for the wonton spite previously leveled against Barack Obama was my motivation in most of my comments concerning that hickish ditz, oops, I meant to say big-time Alaskan Governor.

  41. Revenge for the wonton spite previously leveled against Barack Obama was my motivation in most of my comments…

    Ah, revenge for something that happened in your imagination.

    You’re a seriously ill person.

  42. The question is, and it will be answered in the next few hours, will the left be dumb enough to lead with their chin yet again?

    The past few days have been disaster after disaster for them, yet they persist. Are they really stupid enough to drag this girl through the mud?

    Silly question, I know.

  43. What? Am I supposed to be the bigger of the foul-mouthed here? Am I supposed to be nice and respectful concerning McCain’s pick as Veep?

    OK, I will. From now on I will. She has my sympathy at this point, frankly.

  44. Give! Give up! You’re backed into the corner of blatant hypocrisy! You can’t win this one!

    I’m sorry. Where’s the hypocrisy?

    Mother brings Downs-syndrome child into the world, because she believes that life is due to what is concieved in a human womb.

    Daughter becomes pregnant, and, though unmarried, chooses to carry the child to term rather than abort it, because she has likely picked up the same belief.

    That looks like consistency to me.

    Is it really your argument that because Bristol didn’t keep her legs closed, her mother’s status as a family-values conservative is shattered?

    Really?

  45. bigger = bigger man

    Freud had his moments.

  46. Who here doesn’t love wontons?

  47. Revenge for the wonton spite

    That’ll teach you not to stick to the Moo Goo Gai Pan.

  48. #36
    You sure you can afford it?

    If you became any more shrill you’d be qualified to become Andy Sullivan’s gynocologist. Calm down,boy,the process will work itself out.

  49. She can always claim it was a virgin birth. That could be a believable way to refreame this story to her base.

  50. actually Palin looks a lot like Dana Carvey’s Church Lady on old SNL reruns.

    On the MTP the mccain frontpiece reiterated Palin’s position on ID being taught alongside ToE in schools.
    that is exactly what Bush said a few years ago.
    look for Moveon to portray Palin as Bush in drag.
    if the dems can make this about this about social issues Mccain will lose.
    If Palin can run as an anti-party reformer and crackerjack executive they might win.

    unfortunately for team mccain the press is on O’s side, and they will likely dig up statements from Palin on creationism and abortion that will make independents run from her like scalded cats.

  51. well, Andrew, obviously she’s a bad Republican because she didn’t keep her daughter properly oppressed. WHY WEREN’T HER HANDS ON THAT UTERUS?

  52. Can someone just go to DailyKos and summarize the first ten comments if they are about the same subject Jeff is writing about? It would save us the trouble of reading thor’s posts.

  53. Revenge for the wonton spite previously leveled against Barack Obama

    You mean the political attacks against the presidential candidate Obama? During a presidential campaign?

    This is your justification for attacking the family of the opposition.

    You truly are a soulless human being thor.

  54. wonton spite

    Is that Szechuan or Cantonese?

  55. What? Am I supposed to be the bigger of the foul-mouthed here? Am I supposed to be nice and respectful concerning McCain’s pick as Veep?

    No, just act like a human.

    But I can see now that’s impossible.

    OK, I will. From now on I will. She has my sympathy at this point, frankly.

    If there’s anybody in the conversation that needs pity it is you.

    But I’m still trying to work some up.

  56. Why would she back out now? All the imagined dirt is out there already.

    Apropos of nothing, I have an Aunt and Uncle who live in Wasilla, and the word is the Palins are good people. I know it won’t change any minds.

  57. Popping in here briefly

    What have Obamabots been crowing about The One? Isn’t HE worthy because he was the son of a SINGLE MOM?

    Bristol is going to be married and like Sarah she will have a husband along with grandparents, aunts, uncles…a whole loving and supportive family to rally around and help them through.

    Keep classy, lefties. NOW you see via the Palins what family values truly are..

  58. I look at it the opposite way, Mr. Pink. As long as Thor continues his mawkish display of faux-eltistist dribble, I don’t HAVE to read dKos.

    So, you know, win-win.

  59. And OF COURSE you guyz like her.
    Shes a cudlip.
    Shes in your tribe.

  60. well, Andrew, obviously she’s a bad Republican because she didn’t keep her daughter properly oppressed. WHY WEREN’T HER HANDS ON THAT UTERUS?

    And this, frankly, is what it boils down to.

    OTOH, I’m just waiting for Nishi to launch the meme that Bristol Palin has been married off to an FLDS Elder.

  61. There are two thinds that thor does to piss me off. One, is that he is an ass of the lowest sort. Two, he is using the name of one of my gods to do it. I would gladly ignore him for the first, and gladly beat the crap out of him for the second. Stop messing with my religion thor, and choose another handle for your idiocy. The real Thor would NEVER speak the way you do…

  62. I’m not here to argue either side, but to be fair, the Obama campaign itself has yet to comment on this. I’d like to at least see how they deal with this information before attacking them. Enjoyed the article.

  63. “Bristol is going to be married”

    She is?

    Then this is all about….nothing.

    Again.

  64. Oh

    And I’ll post more thoroughly on this later

    This ain’t rocket science, but parenting is a matter of teaching values to one’s children AND ALSO GIVING THEM THE FREEDOM TO MAKE THEIR OWN CHOICES AS THEY MATURE. Teenagers are especially prone to take risks and THE LOVING FAMILY, while counseling wisdom, stands back and lets the child scrape an elbow or two.

    Obama would wisk his girls to the abortion clinic, least they be “punished.” The Palins are acting consistently with their values as loving parents who don’t see babies as a plague of locusts.

  65. Two, he is using the name of one of my gods to do it.

    Actually, I think “thor” in his case is short for “thorazine”.

    Take from that what you will.

  66. Andy,

    I’ve posted on the Pub (JeffG links above) with the link to the Palin statement. Bristol and the baby’s father are going to get married.

  67. Can we finally discuss Jeremiah Wright? If the 17 year old daughter of a candidate is important, should we not discuss the actual candidates values.

  68. Oh, I see nishinazi, protege of Dr. Mengele has shown up.

  69. As Rush Limbaugh said about Sarah Palin: Babies, Guns, Jesus. I guess he is right! Sounds so Christian to me, doesn’t it?!

  70. She can always claim it was a virgin birth. That could be a believable way to refreame this story to her base.

    Catholics?

    She isn’t even Catholic herself.

  71. Actually, I think “thor” in his case is short for “thorazine”.

    I figured he just has a lisp.

  72. All Christians believe in the virgin birth, Tom. Only Catholics (and to a lesser degree eastern orthodox) lay any special veneration of Mary because of it.

  73. Grab your shotguns! It’s wedding time!

  74. Thor, you’re talking to Obama’s mama again?

  75. Oh, I see nishinazi, protege of Dr. Mengele has shown up.

    She’s got a real problem here. While she spouts the bizarre theory that the choice of Sarah Palin will anger and alienate the imaginary constituency of “women who have exercised reproductive choice,” there is a real possibility that Obama could alienate unmarried mothers by taking the low road we’ve seen Thor, Nishi, Sullivan and the Kos Kiddies slither down. O! hisself was apparently conceived in just this manner.

    Attack Bristol Palin, and you attack your own base.

  76. Nishi when you say your “tribe” are you referring to the ranks of the clinically insane or leftwing partisans so full of the Narrative their shit comes out in the shape of Mao’s redbook?

  77. one more thing cudlips.
    this election is unwinnable without the center.
    mccain threw away a lot of centrist votes with an extreme pick on social values.
    this is a tight election.
    better to have a lot of voters choosing the lesser evil than to energize the much smaller fanatic core, that were going to vote you anyways.

  78. And OF COURSE you guyz like her.
    Shes a cudlip.
    Shes in your tribe.

    Along with Pournelle, the cudlip.

    ALL YOUR HEROES ARE BELONG TO US!

  79. 66; In that case he shouldn’t shorten it.
    I’m amused by the screams from the left in this case. Sarah Palin is guilty of child abuse for covering up her daughters pregnancy, by faking her own, then she is guilty of child abuse, for not squatting down at the GOP convention in Texas and having her baby RIGHT THERE!, now she is guilty of child abuse for ALLOWING her 17yo to get pregnant. Of course she would be totally free of these charges if she had only killed each of the children in these cases, for their own good of course. What disgusting people live on that side of the aisle.

  80. one more thing cudlips.

    Would that it were the last thing. Ever.

  81. this election is unwinnable without the center

    Hint: that word does not mean what you think it means.

  82. in wargaming terms, Palin was a good tactical choice, but a poor strategic one.
    Palin is completely unknown.
    So everything we learn about her will instantly define her.
    Unlearning can take a thousand reps.
    Not a good scenario for an MSM inimicably hostile to evangelicals and social conservatives.

  83. All Christians believe in the virgin birth, Tom. Only Catholics (and to a lesser degree eastern orthodox) lay any special veneration of Mary because of it.

    Oh, so that is what “know man” really means?!

    So when someone says “know biblically”, they’re really talking about sex!?!

    Protein Wisdom, the font of biblical knowledge.

    **********anyway**********************

    Then why in the name of God would claiming a “virgin birth” have any special meaning for protestants?

  84. 60:
    Yes nishi, she’s in my tribe, and I like her because of that. You, on the other hand, have taken pains to NOT be part of my tribe, and therefore put yourself out from under the hand of protection of it. Hope your tribe can protect you, because mine won’t…

  85. yup, Dr. Jerry cares for the 40 percenters.
    not a cudlip per se, but a caretaker of them.

  86. Pournelle also believes that Intelligent Design should be an option for schools, is opposed to abortion, and finds Obama highly disturbing.

    Just as a side note.

  87. You know, you would think that the Obamabots would be happy that McCain has “thrown away the election.” Apparently, though, they are trying to correct those of us who really like his pick (and, in my case, not only decided I could now vote for him, but sent money, which I have never done). Presumably they are hoping we can “fix” this somehow and still win.

    BTW, every time I hear a sufficient amount of anti Palin bullshit I consider sending even more money. I already added to my initial contribution after being exposed to some generic leftist “rhetoric” at a blues club Saturday night. I doubt I’m the only one.

  88. So, the “one more thing” was yet another lie. Whatevs.

  89. I thought republicans embraced family values? Palin has raised an irresponsible child. Sure they can offer family support, but that just shows her daughter is too young to handle this now and should have waited. She is still in high school ! No college ! no life experience, but wanting to raise children ? Is this the example of parenting we want set for American families? I am sure the family will pick up her slack , but where was the parenting and leadership before the pregnancy ? The finger is pointed at Palins lack of parenting skills which led to her daughters reckless behavior. I think I will vote democrat this time . . .

  90. I seem to recall another teenage female who got pregnant and went on to marry the bigamist father.

    The child she gave birth to went on to become a candidate for President of the United States.

    Bristol is carrying a potential future president of the United States, be it male or female. Why is this a problem?

  91. TomB, I was raised Lutheran, and the virgin birth is right in there with the proscribed beliefs.

  92. and no, my heroes are not in your tribe…. one of my heroes is Dr.Ken Miller, catholic, who was an expert witness for the prosecution in Kitzmiller vs. Dover Area School District.
    My heroes are the 10percent, my tribe.
    I dont care about the cudlips, but some do.

  93. nishi’s all about young people having sex. She’s just against them owning up to the responsibility of sex.

    And honestly, that cudlip crap is getting really fraking old.

  94. I think I will vote democrat this time…

    Like you did the other times is my guess, unless you are going to claim to be a lifelong republican or something.

  95. I think I will vote democrat this time . . .

    John, if this is what caused you to decide to vote Democrat, then you always were going to vote Democrat and you’re just trolling here.

  96. My heroes are the 10percent, my tribe.

    Actually it’s more like 6%.

  97. The trolls and drive-by commenters are trying to upset the strawmen they have internalized that represent what they think we think. It’s really quite pathetic.

  98. 90: Yes, John, the Christians I know embrace family values, one of which is DON”T KILL YOUR CHILDREN…

  99. I think I will vote democrat this time . . .

    Go whole hog and vote for Ahab, Moby.

  100. John, if this is what caused you to decide to vote Democrat, then you always were going to vote Democrat and you’re just trolling here.

    I don’t know, he’s pretty convincing to me, for a Moby.

  101. WOW what a full time court the right is holding here, I have not read very many “left” leaning posts here but the hard liners are engaging in joust after jpoust, I couldn’t hardly figure out who they were throwing barbs at!!!

    Seems to me she was savy enough to disclose this to McCain and part of the onslaught is to use the blogs to pose their prose on the pros of motherhood at ANY age. By the way, they didn’t disclose the age of the father, was he 45 or something? I seriously doubt a 21 year old boy is MAN enough to provide adequate support and guidance to the child. My bet is the grandkid ends up in mommy Palins possession while Bristol goes off to school. Perhaps mommy Palin should have introduced some parenting on Birth Control.

    The LEFT is all about responsibility because they teach their children sex is sex and the consequences are very real, be smart about it, use protection and avoid getting pregnant unless you’re ready to become a parent….” The Right on the other hand says “…sex is evil, well, until you’re married, and this invisible man knows when you’re massaging yourself or giving orally or taking it up your back side, so DON’T Do IT AGAIN or you’ll end up in hell for all eternity and Jesus…well he forgives you but his dad is a bit trifle about the whole genitalia thing, know what I mean?…just remember sex is evil until you’re married….” Funny how liberal the right is when it comes to Animal Husbandry for Corporate Farming interests and subsidies…

  102. 88. Americans who want to elect oil war waging leaders three times are scary. The people who want a VP with virtually zero experience are plain stupid.
    I guess we will hit rock bottom , but will we ever recover from the last eight years?

  103. So let me see…. the left wants to see women in federal power positions which typically come around 35-65 years of age… unless they have issues that women of this age have. Like children doing things children do.
    If these women have children they should stay home because they are disqualified?
    I think this is sexist, but I believe it stems from the radical academic elite feminists who believe that the purest form of feminine behavior is single power lesbian with no children; followed by wealthy power lesbian couple with adopted child. (Preferably a little emasculated boy inculcated with his inherent evil from the crib)
    Hillary was sadly disqualified by her race, and her not being the right kind of woman that the extreme left could accept.

    Sarah Palin should take the hits and hang in there. Moms everywhere are gonna vote against the Democrats out of principle.

    Gotta hand it to those Democrats. They’ve won the black vote.. which they already had all sewn up anyway, and lost women.
    yeeeeeargh! to you Howard Dean

  104. Then why in the name of God would claiming a “virgin birth” have any special meaning for protestants?

    Ah, the perils of internet arguing. Sometimes the sarcasm meter goes on the fritz.

    Your answer is in your question. The Virgin Birth strikes across all xtian breeder types because it was done “in the name of God”.

    It is the larger group (xtian breeder 40percenterzorzes from all denominations) and not the smaller group (Protestants) that Alan was likely referring to.

  105. the thing that ought to disturb anyone, christian or not, is the choices about this child’s life (the 17 year old child that is) so that it will adhere to the ambitions of her mother and McCain et al. She will, of course, keep the child. Other options are, of course, off the table. She will, of course, get married to the boy whom she may or may not want to marry, and to whom it may or may not be wise to marry. It will, of course, be played out with no variation to a script that will at least be neutral to the ambitions of the office seeking mother. I hope she is a vacuous idiot, because anyone with a mind, in this circumstance, would feel a cold despair wash over them. There will be no objections. To be clear, I am not talking about a decision to abort. I am refering to the myriad issues that naturally arrive when a 17 year old has a baby. I would have voted for McCain, but now i can’t help but hope he loses before this girl gets too far down a road that has nothing to do with her wishes.

  106. I think I will vote democrat this time . . .

    Just like the last ten. Or fifty, eh, john? You don’t fake wingerspeak very well.

    Regards,
    Ric

  107. John, is there a production of Egad, the Woman in White that you’re late for?

  108. I say that whenever a Democrat raises the issue of Bristol Palin’s pregnancy we should respond by asking if Chelsea Clinton is a virgin.

  109. The only thing, and I mean the only thing big about thor is his mouth. Little wonder it’s been punched so many times.

  110. ” I hope she is a vacuous idiot, because anyone with a mind, in this circumstance, would feel a cold despair wash over them.”

    Obviously. Lord knows 17-year-olds never have sex with anyone they might want to marry.

    And having a baby is what happens when the angel opens the sixth seal, IIRC.

  111. The LEFT is all about responsibility because they teach their children sex is sex and the consequences are very real, be smart about it, use protection and avoid getting pregnant unless you’re ready to become a parent….”

    — And when doesn’t work, FRAG THE FUCKING SIN GROWING IN YOUR BELLY, FOR IT IS PUNISHMENT THAT A SIMPLE PROCEDURE CAN EASILY CURE! CAN I GET AN AMEN?

  112. I hope she is a vacuous idiot

    Even if she is, she’s already married so you’re out of luck.

  113. AMEN, Brother!!!! Tell it on the mountain!!!

  114. look, the dems will force this to be a culture war if they came.
    O will keep his hands very clean.
    Should someone who could be a First Child be also an unwed mother?
    trailer trash behavior, sorry.

  115. if they can.

  116. The people who want a VP with virtually zero experience are plain stupid.

    Not as stupid as the people who want a President with virtually zero experience, Moby.


    The morning of the third day dawned fair and fresh, and once more the solitary concern troll from the Daily Kos was humiliated by crowds of daylight look-outs, who dotted every mast and almost every spar.

    “D’ye see her?” cried Obama; but Palin was not yet in sight.

    “In her infallible wake, though; but follow that wake, that’s all. Helm there; steady, as thou goest, and hast been going. What a lovely day again; were it a new-made world, and made for a summer-house to the angels, and this morning the first of its throwing open to them, a fairer day could not dawn upon that world. Here’s food for thought, had Obama time to think; but Obama never thinks; he only feels, feels, feels; that’s tingling enough for Chris Matthews!

  117. Jimminy what a dumbass.

    African Americans in urban areas vote nearly 95% Democrat.
    Teen pregnancy still happens.

    NYC votes Democrat… teen pregnancies still happen.

    Gay men, most of whom will vote Democrat, know all about protection, but they still get AIDS from unprotected sex.

  118. Bristol is planning to marry the father, so, not so unwed mother, Nishi, but nice try.

  119. the 17 year old child

    You mean like Obama’s mom?

  120. look, the dems will force this to be a culture war if they came.
    O will keep his hands very clean.

    And it will look like this. Have at it, genius. But don’t be surprised when you reap the whirlwind. I won’t.

  121. Weren’t O! the product of a single mother, nishi?

    Or are we tacitly accepting that because he (though not she) is, you know, black, it’s okay in that instance? A cultural thing. Like dog fighting.

  122. If Palin can not run her family with responsibility how can she help run a country?

  123. Gay men, most of whom will vote Democrat, know all about protection, but they still get AIDS from unprotected sex.

    Hey, as long as we’re all about releasing important m,edical information, I demand that Sully release a list of all the men he’s had unprotected sex with while carrying the HIV virus. Surely someone answered his numerous ads for such.

  124. Americans who want to elect oil war waging leaders three times are scary. The people who want a VP with virtually zero experience are plain stupid. I guess we will hit rock bottom , but will we ever recover from the last eight years?

    See? I knew you were just “concern-trolling.” You start off with a lie and go downhill from there.

  125. Barack Obama WAS NOT BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK. His parents were married before he was born and then divorced after his father left Hawaii to go to Harvard and study. Stop spreading the rumor that his parents were not married. They were.

    I feel so sorry for Bristol Palin. Everybody is worried about the politics of this, and nobody, including McCain and Sarah Palin are thinking about how humiliating this is for a 17-year old to have her sexual life and health plastered all over the internet. This could be very damaging to her. I question Sarah Palin’s judgement as a mother that she would expose her daughter to this.

    The larger issue is not the pregnancy but the lying. Sarah Palin has been lying to everybody and telling them her daughter had Mono for 5+ months. Can we trust her?

  126. “trailer trash behavior, sorry.”

    What, nishi, haven’t you ever been in love?

  127. Well, NT, the only thing I can see is that she’s going to have to strike out the “CHASTITY BELTS FOR EVERYONE!” portion of her speech.

  128. a five-months pregnant unwed mother……
    the trailer trash tar will stick
    just not presidential

  129. Barack Obama WAS NOT BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK. His parents were married before he was born

    And? Did you miss the part about Palin’s daughter marrying the father?

    Sarah Palin has been lying to everybody and telling them her daughter had Mono for 5+ months.

    That was while Sarah herself was pregnant with Trig, dumbass. Hint: Trig is now 4 months old. Her daughter is 5 months pregnant.

  130. I think all this trash talk about palin and her daughter.How many democrats have had daughters who got pregnant?The obama people are fighting chicago style politics once again.if he has his bloogers going 24-7 to stop radio talk show hosts from giving evidence of his friendship to ayers by jamming the phone lines .he texted his people and did it. now lawyers are trying to suppress evidence of the truthful relations of obama and ayers that went on for years from coming into the press. dirty politics chicago style, he attacked hillary ,chelsea and bill with unfounded charges to destroy them he used his goons and he did nothing tostop it the dnc never supported clinton. but macain is an honorable man and he won’t let these goons destroy this family the obamas and democratics are so afraid of palin because she is everything obama said he was but he failed the test because no evidence of any of it.Palin is the real thing a loving mother, a maverick like macain and she has a record of fighting corruption obama had that chance but sided with the corrupt daley machine. good luck to the palin family hope everything workds out for you and i hope macain becomes president and you as vp. it will be hard because the media is in bed with the coverup of obama and his real history of corruption

  131. Di is so concerned:

    I feel so sorry for Bristol Palin. Everybody is worried about the politics of this, and nobody, including McCain and Sarah Palin are thinking about how humiliating this is for a 17-year old to have her sexual life and health plastered all over the internet. This could be very damaging to her. I question Sarah Palin’s judgement as a mother that she would expose her daughter to this.

    I question the judgment of the media and those on the left for raising this issue.

  132. “If Palin can not run her family with responsibility how can she help run a country?”

    And running her family properly would involve what, by your metric? Locking her in the basement until she’s got a college degree? Requiring her to scourge herself every time she watches High School Musical?

  133. That was while Sarah herself was pregnant with Trig, dumbass. Hint: Trig is now 4 months old. Her daughter is 5 months pregnant.

    “Math is hard!” – Barbie

  134. And running her family properly would involve what, by your metric?

    Pretty sure it would involve sedating and restraining the daughter, puncturing the baby’s skull with a pair of scissors, and vacuuming out its brain.

    You know, because that would show that she CARED.

  135. CD, Bristol is a five-months pregnant unwed mother whos family has been lying about her condition to a lot of ppl.
    Do u think the pro-Obama press will just ignore that?

    a wedding will just cement the 5-months part in cultural perception.
    Its trailer trash behavior, not presidential.

  136. Barack Obama WAS NOT BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK. His parents were married before he was born and then divorced after his father left Hawaii to go to Harvard and study. Stop spreading the rumor that his parents were not married. They were.

    But he left. And O! was raised by a single mom. Trailer trash behavior, that.

    Bristol Palin’s child, on the other hand, will likewise not be born out of wedlock. But her baby daddy likely won’t run off to preach socialism.

    I feel so sorry for Bristol Palin. Everybody is worried about the politics of this, and nobody, including McCain and Sarah Palin are thinking about how humiliating this is for a 17-year old to have her sexual life and health plastered all over the internet.

    Brought to you by the left!

    This could be very damaging to her. I question Sarah Palin’s judgement as a mother that she would expose her daughter to this.

    No you don’t. You just pretend you do.

    The larger issue is not the pregnancy but the lying. Sarah Palin has been lying to everybody and telling them her daughter had Mono for 5+ months. Can we trust her?

    So which is it: should she have “exposed her daughter to this” or not? Seems to me she tried not to. But the scum on the left forced her hand.

    And maybe Bristol, soon to be married and a Mom, was consulted, once their hand was forced.

    Must you people infantalize everyone?

    Please. Wait for Obama’s marching orders. Trying to argue on your own is just making you look silly.

  137. CD, Bristol is a five-months pregnant unwed mother whos family has been lying about her condition to a lot of ppl.
    Do u think the pro-Obama press will just ignore that?

    Yes, and you know why.

  138. Bristol is a five-months pregnant unwed mother whos family has been lying about her condition to a lot of ppl.

    Link to the “lie” part?

    No fair linking to your own post.

  139. live by the sword die by the sword. if conservatives are going to run on a platform that they are high and mighty in regards to moral values, yes you can expect serious backlash when a 17 year old daughter of their possible second in command becomes pregnant. History. recent even more than the past, has shown that yes even the most right wing, “conservative,” valued republicans are human, which is fine, example Republican Sen. Larry Craig who ironically got caught at the minneapolis/st paul airport. So it is not so much the deeds they do, but the hipocracy that exists in the party that in some way they are morally better than those on the left. Face it there are evil and self-serving people on both sides of the asile, it is just that the republicans feel that their views represent family values and the way god wants things to be. As a democratic catholic myself i centainly don’t get up on my soapbox and preach about my views being better than anyine elses. I don’t pretend to be able to walk in anyone else’s shoes, and certainly don’t think the government can. So run as the maoral majority all you want, but expect a severve backlash everytime someone in your party screws up.

  140. Its trailer trash behavior, not presidential.

    More presidential, no doubt, would be using a cigar as a dildo or getting a blow job while on the phone with foreign leaders.

    Does Chelsea Clinton prefer sucking cock or eating pussy?

  141. personally, i dont care if Palins young daughters are all 5 months pregnant.
    It simply isnt presidential.
    the Hick Chick shud have turned Creepy Septugenarian down and ran on her own ticket after two terms in the Senate.
    i might have voted for her.
    ;)

  142. As we have seen, anything that the government becomes involved in jeopardizes its privacy, since the government must maintain records (this, one would think, is obvious).

    Thus, for many conservatives, the issue is not necessarily one of whether abortion is legal, but whether it can be state-funded. If one decides to go to one’s OB/GYN and have an abortion, and it is paid for either through personal funds or through one’s health insurance (assuming said insurance policy covers such a procedure), then that is one thing. The government, quite arguably, should have no say in such a transaction. (This, of course, does not touch on the subject of when life begins, a separate issue.)

    But to demand that the public pay for an abortion effectively moves the government into the bedroom (or, more accurately, the operating room). Now, the liberal rejoinder is that poor folks have a right to an abortion, and the public should pick up the tab. But that places the issue of privacy directly at odds with one’s “right” to public funding.

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  144. mike: It’s called “English.” Look into it.

  145. I think Di, nishi and the rest have articulated the new Democrat platform nicely:

    “Women are too fragile for politics, so they need to stay home and bake cookies.”

    “Shoes are optional”

    (last part thrown in to please Hillary’s supporters.)

  146. Well, Nishi, as a proud jesuslander dumbfuckistani, who clings to his guns and religion, I have to say that marrying the girl you got pregnant is just downright good manners hereabouts. Shucks, my daddy did it, and if it was good enough for them, it’s good enough for Bristol Palin…

  147. So run as the maoral majority all you want, but expect a severve backlash everytime someone in your party screws up.

    Is Bristol Palin in the Republican Party?

    Ah, no matter, it’s something to throw. In the end, the message is that having principles is the worst error we can make, hence the Democratic Party’s lack of same.

  148. Right, mike. They should have just whisked her off for an abortion so that they could pretend to stand by their values. Appearance is everything.

    And sorry, but she’s very much a libertarian in many respects.

    But you keep preaching this, my man. Lots of women out there got preggers as teens — and all your judgments, whether these women are reacting outwardly or not, are being cataloged and internalized.

  149. Sarah should focus on her family and not the dam white house. Who’s watching the kids? It’s surely not daddy!! She’s needs to get her house in order.

  150. Sandra, shouldn’t you be watching your kids, rather than posting copy-paste screeching points on message boards?

  151. lol
    i think a 5 months pregnancy is obvious if u live in the same house and dont have visual impairment.
    sides, Palin says mccain knew all about it and shes been being vetted for months ;)
    mccain is a doddering senile old fool if he thinks the media is gonna be all hands off about this.
    wait……he IS a doddering old fool.

  152. Sarah should focus on her family and not the dam white house. Who’s watching the kids? It’s surely not daddy!! She’s needs to get her house in order.

    You mean like Democratic Vice Presidential nominee John Edwards?

  153. Sarah, do you HAVE teenagers? Can you honestly say that you watch them ALL the time? That you know exactly WHAT they are doing, every minute of the day? Because if not, then you need to back off and stop telling the nice lady how she’s raising her family…

  154. i think a 5 months pregnancy is obvious if u live in the same house and dont have visual impairment.

    So? Still waiting for the link to “lying about it”.

  155. I can’t wait until you’re old, Nishi, when some punk who hasn’t really lived or done anything starts calling you a doddering old fool…

  156. Jeff, one more time.
    If Palin is anti-abortion (and she is) she is anti-libertarian on the most basic of rights, the right to autonomy over one’s own body.
    I just dont think u can be part libertarian.
    Jeff, if you hang out with cudlips all the time, you will loose brain cells.
    I fear for your intellect.
    ;)

  157. Shorter Sandra: A WOMAN’S PLACE IS IN THE HOME! GO OBAMA! BROS BEFORE HOS!

  158. Sarah should focus on her family and not the dam white house. Who’s watching the kids? It’s surely not daddy!! She’s needs to get her house in order.

    Should I be enjoying the implosion of a major political party so much?

    I mean, this is CLASSIC!

    The DNC: “Women in the workplace? Don’t make me laugh.”

  159. “marrying the girl you got pregnant is just downright good manners hereabouts. Shucks, my daddy did it”

    Mine as well. ‘course, he was 20 and my mom 19 then, but he was just a third-class petty in the Coast Guard and mom had to drop out of college and quit smokin’ when I showed up in her oven.

    30 years and three kids later, they’re buying a summer home down in SC and eagerly expecting their first grandchild (my sister’s, not mine).

    What a punishment I was to them.

  160. mccain is a doddering senile old fool if he thinks the media is gonna be all hands off about this.

    I’m thinking he’s hoping they don’t. After all, Obama’s daddy impregnated his mommy prior to marrying her, then skedaddled back to Kenya, abandoning Little Barry to his white mamma and grandparents. Then, when Little Barry growed up, who did he center his life around but that dirtbag of a sperm donor.

    I likes dat narrative, myself.

  161. It is not so much that the daughter got pregnant, it is the fact that Mccain knew this and still put her in the position. That is the hipocracy of the republican party. And in regards to the english comment, trying to write like a poet to sound intellectual is a poor way to communicate an idea (mike Phd)

  162. Barack Obama WAS NOT BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK. His parents were married before he was born and then divorced after his father left Hawaii to go to Harvard and study.

    No, they were never married because Daddy O! was already married. And then when Mommy O! did get for real married, shortly thereafter she dumped little O! with Granny and Grampy O! while she remained with the stepO!dad in IndO!nesia.

  163. No sowwy, this is my objection to Palin being a heartbeat away from a septugenarian’s presidency.
    No foreign policy experience.
    No legislative experience.
    No formal educational traing.
    and a penchant for trailer trash behavior, stupid creationist beliefs and ugly hairdos.
    do your really want America to be the laughing stock of the world?

  164. As an individualist, who is anti-abortion due to his individualistic philosophy, I have a big problem when people like Nishi say that libertarians are automatically pro-choice. There are compelling arguments to be made that abortion is actually an infringement on the right of an individual, namely the unborn child.

  165. It is not so much that the daughter got pregnant, it is the fact that Mccain knew this and still put her in the position. That is the hipocracy of the republican party.

    Is that rule by hippos?

    Exactly what is the “hipocracy” here, bright boy?

  166. I’m not talking about “writing like a poet”, Mike.

    I’m talking about sentences. Paragraphs. Punctuation. Stuff like that.

  167. It is not so much that the daughter got pregnant, it is the fact that Mccain knew this and still put her in the position. That is the hipocracy of the republican party.

    Oh, please detail how that’s hypocrisy, mike. You don’t even have to spell it right, just explain it.

  168. One more time, nishi. Whether autonomy over one’s body supercedes the right for a living organism to avoid execution is a question that science is making more complicated every day.

    You can keep repeating your mantra, and I can keep repeating that, though I’m now reluctantly pro-choice, I can envision a day when the real libertarian argument will swing in the direction of the pro-life crowd.

    You don’t argue. You declare. There’s a difference.

  169. Yes Nishi, I do, because I could give two craps about what the world thinks. In fact, if it were up to me, the ticket would be reversed, but that’s just the jesuslander dumbfuckistani in me…

  170. hey pablo check on when your fealless leader got together with Cindy. No the divorce papers were not signed and Cindy was one of many affairs he had. Once again stop being such hipocrates.

  171. Nishi, your objection is that’s she’s with Johnny Mac and not O! The rest is window dressing and you’re boring as hell. Please shut up.

  172. quellcrist falconer says many stupid things …

    You know, Richard Morgan believes that the children of teenage mothers can grow up to make something of themselves, like, maybe running for President of the US.

    Of course, he also believes the fantasy that Christians are evil racists who will cause the break-up of America any day now.

  173. You didn’t answer my question, mike. Focus.

  174. No foreign policy experience.

    Not true, insofar as she’s dealt with Canadian governmental entities, but it is true in the case of Obama.

    No legislative experience.

    She’s not going to be a legislator, smart girl.

    No formal educational traing.

    She’s got a degree in journalism.

    and a penchant for trailer trash behavior, stupid creationist beliefs and ugly hairdos.

    Stupid, but that’s to be expected.

    And what of Obama’s executive experience, i.e. the job he’s interviewing for?

  175. I think “hipocracy” means rule by hippies, or, perhaps, rule by women with big child-bearing hips.

    Obviously, I’m in favor of the latter. I’m down with Sir Mix-a-Lot that way.

  176. It is not so much that the daughter got pregnant, it is the fact that Mccain knew this and still put her in the position. That is the hipocracy of the republican party.

    Follow the shifting goalposts!

    In other words, McCain properly vetted the candidate and decided that Palin’s merits outweighed the potential drawback of Bristol becoming, horror of horrors, a young married mother. Is this the petard on which you hang so much?

    Incidentally, its spelled “hypocrisy”

    And in regards to the english comment, trying to write like a poet to sound intellectual is a poor way to communicate an idea (mike Phd)

    You favor writing like a dullard to sound like you’ve just done enough whippets to spin your brain around on its medula, then?

  177. And in regards to the english comment, trying to write like a poet to sound intellectual is a poor way to communicate an idea (mike Phd)

    Ah, the “embracing commonly used signifiers as a roadmap to clarify expression between individuals of differing experience is a tool of oppression, to which I need not apply myself because I am so very very much smarter than you due to my advanced degree” argument. You dastardly devil, you certainly got us there.

  178. Mickety Mike, check yourself before you wrikety wreck yourself. McCain has NEVER been part of the religious conservative wing of the Republican party, he’s MUCH more of a country-club Republican. Which is why some of us don’t like him…

  179. Hey, now. mike has a PhD, so don’t you go criticizing his English, mo fos.

  180. Ted Kennedy doesn’t need his wife to keep an eye on Patrick because the security cameras at the Capitol show him crashing his car into the steps and then racing off into his office and locking the door. Which is so nannystate.

    John Edwards doesn’t need his wife to keep an eye on his youngest, he’s got Fred Baron for that, and besides Elizabeth seems a little ungrateful about the new addition.

  181. Once again stop being such hipocrates

    Yea, try being platoes for a while.

  182. In response to 106; you are assuming she did not make this decision on her own. That is unless you know the parties involved. Women get pregnant all the time and choose to keep their children. They also choose to get married after finding out about the impending birth. How do you know that she and the baby’s father have not been together for 3 or 4 years prior to this and are in love? You don’t. I know people who got married young and are still together. We know the chances of this are slim, but it does happen. But then in today’s society waiting until your 30 does not mean you will be married forever. Young Women choose to keep their children everyday, not because they are forced to, but because they want to. The point is, assuming she was forced to keep and is stupidity at it highest.
    Oh, and to those who say her life is over and she can never go to college ECT. You are stupid too. It will be a harder road yes. But the only thing that limits a person’s success is themselves.

  183. Once again stop being such hipocrates.

    Not really down with the idea of “first do no harm,” I see. Seems to be endemic of those who advocate use of government to enforce their will.

  184. Well put er78

  185. I want some platoes! They’re delicious with a good salsa dip!

  186. No foreign policy experience.

    Governor of the only state with two international borders. Has negotiated with national and provincial Canadian governments. Commands the Alaska National Guard, which has full time active duty units forming our first line of missile defense.

    And what foreign policy experience does Obama have?

    No legislative experience.

    Two term member of a city council. It might not be the “world’s most exclusive club” but a city council counts as a legislative body.

    No formal educational traing.

    Try not to make spelling errors when discussing others’ education. Of course, factual errors are even more glaring. Gov. Palin has a degree in journalism w/ a minor in poli-sci from the University of Idaho. Now I realize that a BA from Idaho is not as impressive as Mr. Magna Umm Umm Uh Laude from Columbia and Harvard, but it does count as educational training.

  187. What do you want to bet that ER78 and mike have the same IP address?

  188. ahh no, just a well put arguement. And well writen too 188

  189. And in regards to the english comment, trying to write like a poet to sound intellectual is a poor way to communicate an idea (mike Phd)

    Mike, do you think you could have come up with a more awkward, difficult to read sentence?

    To your point, I’m pretty sure that Shakespeare communicated ideas fairly well despite using a format of poetry.

  190. Lying about her daughter’s pregnancy? There’s a hill to die on.

  191. Making identity-group politics work requires that you (1) identify the groups, (2) make sure they’re large enough, and (3) pander to them. It gets tricky, because what is a pander to one group is offensive to another; you inevitably alienate some group(s), and part of the calculation has to be which is largest and can therefore deliver more votes.

    What this election is demonstrating is that the DNC needs to abandon identity politics, not because it’s bad, but because they suck at it, especially (2). McCain, as advised, obviously believes there are more glass-ceiling feminists (as on the site Jeff linked) than there are hardline, you-must-abort feminazis, and he is very likely right. You want a female President? — it’s a no-brainer: vote for McCain. If, as nishi predicts, he kicks off at mid-term, presto! Congratualtions, Madame President!

    Regards,
    Ric

  192. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/1 @ 12:56 pm #

    mike: It’s called “English.” Look into it.

    Consider yourself on notice to have a peekey-poo at it as well.

  193. So it’s “hipocracy” that Sarah Palin’s daughter is going to marry the father of her child, but perfectly okay that John Edwards leaves little genetic surprise packages lying around?

  194. Well put er78

    What do you want to bet that ER78 and mike have the same IP address?

    Its a bit verbose, but isn’t ER78’s post refuting everything john and mike wrote:

    The point is, assuming she was forced to keep and is stupidity at it highest.
    Oh, and to those who say her life is over and she can never go to college ECT. You are stupid too. It will be a harder road yes. But the only thing that limits a person’s success is themselves.

  195. To your point, I’m pretty sure that Shakespeare communicated ideas fairly well despite using a format of poetry.

    Yes 190, but then again he was not writting in a political blog was he? It is better to sound intelligent by the ideas and thoughts you convey, than the length of the words used. Was that too long of a sentence for you? I can break it down more if necessary. Using long words in a casual forum makes one sound arrogant, but then again that is how you try to portray Sen. Obama.

  196. Consider yourself on notice to have a peekey-poo at it as well.

    Yes, I know I have shortcomings when it comes to “polychromatic folly” and shit like that.

    Here’s some English for you, little boy: suck my dick.

  197. And even if he doesn’t, who wouldn’t love a Palin/Jindal team in 2012 or 2016?

  198. mike Phd

    I like that.

  199. It doesn’t surprise me that the liberal nutroots have such a low opinion of a this woman and her family. Strong, attractive, self-assured, intelligent women have been denying these nutroots bloggers sex since high school. It figures that the liberal castrati would be a little bitter about one of these women becoming Vice President.

    Limp-wristed libertines attacking anyone from a position of “moral high ground” is an absurd concept. Libtards practice, accept, legislate, and celebrate every form of human depravity possible from the Folsom Street Fair to Planned Infanticide. When a conservative person experiences unmarried sex, homosexuality, adultery, or any of the things liberals celebrate, suddenly they are taboo again.

    For people like this “thor”, with the feelings and sensitivity of a jellyfish, life must be one long, rank, patchouli-smelling hate-fest.

    Justice and karma are cruel cast iron bitches to people like you, thor. And they have a sense of humor. Your hate and pettiness may feel good to you now, but your Cheeto-stained fingers pounding out anonymous venom from Gramma’s basement will not make you any less of an invertebrate.

  200. who wouldn’t love a Palin/Jindal team in 2012 or 2016?

    I got thrills running up and down all my legs over that one.

  201. “It is better to sound intelligent by the ideas and thoughts you convey, than the length of the words used. ”

    Shouldn’t favoring the former mean not giving a tinkers damn about the latter?

    Words convey thoughts. Sometimes, the word needed is diminutive, sometimes it is big. If we care about our ideas, we use the word best suited.

    Or does that not allow you to fake populism well enough?

  202. Wow, the Leftcultists sure have their index cards coordinated.

    Keep slamming Gov. Palin for NOT forcing her daughter to have an abortion FOR not throwing her under the bus (ala Obama).

    Palin has a loving, real, everyday American family and THE LEFT CAN’T STAND IT.

  203. The troll comments — it’s like this post is a meat pie spawning maggots that shit a self-lethal poison.

    Goldstein, you magnificent bastard!

  204. poppa india B.A., you might be starting a trend

  205. It is better to sound intelligent by the ideas and thoughts you convey, than the length of the words used.

    How about just spelling “hypocrisy” right?

    And then, you might try answering some questions you’ve been avioding.

  206. That is some amazing spin you guys got there. The Bristol baby is huge and will get Palin derision from the people who matter most – independents and undecideds. Who gives a fuck about what the evangelical diehards think, they were just waiting for the thinnest of excuses to rally behind the non-Obama candidate.

  207. Okay, that just looks weird. Back to normal.

  208. who wouldn’t love a Palin/Jindal team in 2012 or 2016?

    That would have been better timing for Palin. Unfortunately this election may damage her chances at being a contender in the future. We don’t give second chances often in this political world.

  209. Oh and Darleen – no bitchy tsk tsking over the shitty parenting skills of Palin? I mean, if she she can’t control her daughter’s vagina, what good is she?

  210. Yeah, hoot, independents and undecideds love nothing so much as going after a candidate by the their families. That’s why Clinton got expelled from office.

    Keep dreamin’.

  211. McCain ruined Palin’s political career by choosing her. It’s really pretty funny when you think about it.

  212. Right Andrew. That’s what the public takes away from this story. Fucking wanker.

  213. “I mean, if she she can’t control her daughter’s vagina, what good is she?”

    Isn’t it always jarring when you here something first with sarcasm and then without?

    You’re late to the party, hoot. You could have at least brought some new snacks.

  214. Should someone who could be a First Child be also an unwed mother?
    trailer trash behavior, sorry.

    You should listen to this young woman, she is speaking God’s word.
    The Sanctity of Marriage shall not be ignored.

  215. Yes 190, but then again he was not writting in a political blog was he?

    While he predated blogs by a few centuries, it’s a bit difficult to say that the author of King Lear, Richard III, Henry IV, Othello, Macbeth, Hamlet, Julius Ceasar, and Hamlet did not touch on politics.

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
    He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.

    It is better to sound intelligent by the ideas and thoughts you convey, than the length of the words used. Was that too long of a sentence for you? I can break it down more if necessary. Using long words in a casual forum makes one sound arrogant, but then again that is how you try to portray Sen. Obama.

  216. “Fucking wanker.”

    I feel the hate flowing through you.

    And that’s always an electoral winner.

    Ask David Duke.

  217. Palin has them running scared. BTW, FauxNewz decided to take a break from the usual hurricane coverage to actually show the opening of the RNC convention. I hope RoboShep™ isn’t too hurt by this.

    The RoboShep name was used without permission and is copyrighted 2008 by Jeff G.

  218. I agree, John.

    Should someone who could be a First Child be also an unwed mother?
    trailer trash behavior, sorry.

    These kinds of people are not acceptable in a Christian White House.

  219. Should someone who could be a First Child be also an unwed mother?
    trailer trash behavior, sorry.

    Words of wisdom from The Righteous. Amen Sister! Testify to the ONE TRUE GOD!

  220. It isn’t hate. It’s pity. Though I can see how you made the mistake.

  221. Hoot, you’re a turd, and a smelly one at that. Why don’t you find a nice public toilet near you and flush yourself. Better yet, just go back to dailyKos, it smells about the same…

  222. Sorry, screwed up the last comment.

    It is better to sound intelligent by the ideas and thoughts you convey, than the length of the words used.

    Length of words is irrelevant unless one is communicating with first graders. More important than length of words is accuracy in language.

    Was that too long of a sentence for you? I can break it down more if necessary. Using long words in a casual forum makes one sound arrogant,

    Most people would say that condescension is more arrogant than using an extensive vocabulary.

    but then again that is how you try to portray Sen. Obama.

    Senator Obama’s own behavior portrays him as arrogant more than anything I could say.

  223. G-d bless Bristol Palin? NO!! G-D DAMN BRISTOL PALIN!!!

  224. Why don’t you find a nice public toilet near you and flush yourself. Better yet, just go back to dailyKos…

    Isn’t that a bit redundant?

  225. Call me crazy, but wasn’t Obama conceived in an unwed teenager as well?

  226. In spite of the fact that this is the first recorded birth to an unwed mother of 17 in the history of human civilization, as well as being the first time a teenager had pre-marital sex, and…

    Aw shit, Not even worth wasting snark on this BS.

    My Mom was 17 when she got married to my Dad. They were married for 37 years and raised four kids before he passed away. Till death did they part. With a little luck and good sense, Bristol and her beau may make it to their 50th anniversary.

    I doubt the lice that are smearing the Palin family can boast anything like a “normal” family life. Glass houses people, glass houses.

  227. My aunt married too early and had a child at 16. In her own words, she and the child “just grew up together”. With such a supportive clan behind her, nothing worse will happen to Bristol & baby.

  228. BMoe: Yes it’s Redundancy Day, the redundant holiday, where you get to be redundant!

    What? Labor Day? Crap, nevermind…;-)

  229. hehehehehe. The more liberals hate her, the more sure we are that she is the right choice. You pansy geniuses realize that, don’t ya?

  230. “It isn’t hate. It’s pity. Though I can see how you made the mistake.”

    So when you see a homeless guy on the street, or a starving child, or a Holocaust survivor, the first thing you think of to say is “fucking wanker”?

    Hoot, you are well-named. Please post some more.

  231. Hilarious. I hadn’t even heard the “despicable rumors” concerning the Palin’s newest child – the implication that Trig is not the Governor’s child, but her grandchild. The Republican / Evangelical spin machine must be in overdrive, and on the verge of blowing a gasket, in trying to keep itself and its candidates untarnished in countering this latest attack by the evil, ultra-liberal blogosphere. The fact that the R/E machine argues that Trig can’t belong to Bristol, because she is 5 months pregnant, has taken the art of spin to a whole new level. “I couldn’t have robbed that liquor store because I was across town at the time vandalizing a school!” Geez. How can the far right continue to justify the stupidity of the Palin pick and the possibility of more wonderful stories like this one coming to light. (I don’t believe for a minute that McCain knew anything about this beforehand. Maybe his intelligence, uh, I mean vetting, was faulty or maybe it was simply cherry-picked to come up with the answer the boss was looking for.) I guess so long as the 17 year-old child will have the baby – and get married to the father – everything is okay. Family values, like everything else, need revising now and then. Will the RNC spring for a trailer the new family can move into? Maybe Ted Stevens can rent them his place since he won’t be needing it for a while.
    What seems lost on the right-wing diehards is that most liberals aren’t judging Governor Palin over HER lack of experience OR now on this story about her daughter being pregnant – whether either is right or wrong, good or bad, but rather are pointing out the hypocrisy of the GOP and their supporters. If one of their folks is involved in something questionable it gets spun one way, but if its a Democrat it should bring down the wrath of God. The Palin family is quickly becoming the northern version of the Spears family. How can the Republican pundits continue to keep a straight face? Oh, that’s right – they don’t have any choice. Dementia Man pulls a VP pick out of his butt and everyone in the party has no option but to smile and nod approvingly. Regardless of what else comes out about the McCains or the Palins – they will still be seen as BETTER than those leftists. Possible R/E slogan: Remember, it isn’t important what you do in life so long as you always demand that others do the “right thing”.

  232. Oh, it’s so nice to hear these little anecdotes about friends, neighbors, and family who were born to young unwed mothers. Touching.

    Which ones had mothers who were fringe abstinence-only crackpots running for VP?

  233. Jeff, even you must admit that it shows very poor judgment.
    in 4 years Bristol could have been a happy mommie, and Palin a grandmother.
    it would have given her gravitas.

    mike, sowwy.
    Jindal will never, ever be president.
    He participated in an exorcism.

  234. Poor Sarah Palin must be slapping her forehead right about now. What a clusterfuck.

  235. Not the point 226. It is not the fact that her daughter got pregant. Yes that happens far too often in this world. And at times results in a great outcome. The problem is McCain knew about this before his selection. Also kind of interesting timing to release the info the day of a natural disaster huh?

  236. and yah, i think the britney spears trailer trash analogy will get some blowback onto Palin.
    didnt team mccain feel ever so clever with its celebrity commercial?

    whos the real analog of britney?????

  237. Oh! Maybe if Bristol hooks up with a muslim man as his second or third wife the liberals will give their blessing to the young family. Maybe someone in Kenya or Tanzania or Berkeley, somewhere progressive like that. Then he can leave her and then she can go on the dole and let Big Nanny Government raise the baby! Liberal Nirvana!

  238. Frankly, sifty, when I noticed that Palin has the full throated approval of pw.com, I knew she was toast. When was the last time you guys were right about anything?

  239. Keep smearing women, lefties:

    A Leading Hillary Supporter Defects to McCain

    Coale, who traveled with Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and her family through out the primary season, complained of sexism, and said the Democratic Party is “being taken over by the moveon.org types”

    Oh PLEASE keep it up.

    You know, I bet Bristol’s younger sister is quite the tramp, you should look into it.

  240. Oh, it’s so nice to hear these little anecdotes about friends, neighbors, and family who were born to young unwed mothers.

    You mean like Obama?

  241. Nevermind, sifty. I see now that you are insane. Carry on.

  242. SBP, read the rest of my comment. It’s like only one extra sentence. Fucking wanker.

  243. See, back when I was a Democrat, we promoted premarital sex and shacking up was the cool thing to do. It is when you guys got all reactionary and prudish that I had to leave.

    Man, you guys used to be fun. Next thing you know they will be selling tie-dye chastity belts at Widespread Panic shows.

  244. “Which ones had mothers who were fringe abstinence-only crackpots running for VP?”

    “Sarah Palin is a longterm member of a group called Feminists for Life, which is not opposed to birth control. So you probably can’t tag her for consigning young people to unwanted pregnancies.” -Time Magazine, in the link from comment #191.

    Hoot continues to bring the funny.

  245. Yes, some of the fringe Hillaryites are going to vote for McCain. Big whoop. It’ll be very few people considering the totally whacked-out ideas Palin has on reproductive rights. I mean, no birth control for married couples? What a nutjob. That’s going to turn off a large number of independents.

  246. SBP, read the rest of my comment.

    I did. Semantic content: zero.

    Sorry.

    Or, to put it in words you can understand: wanker.

  247. The Palin family is quickly becoming the northern version of the Spears family.

    Please give a list of everything they’ve done to deserve that moniker.

    I’ll start the list:

    *Their 17 y.o. daughter got pregnant from her long time boyfriend and they decide to keep the child and get married.

    OK, your turn.

  248. God is in His heaven, the left is in full-throated howl at the injustice of that fact, and all is Right with the world.

  249. Andrew, you are an idiot. She supports abstinence only. It’s on her freaking wikipedia page.

  250. Why, cynn, is she pregnant too? ‘Clusterfuck’ would more aptly describe the other sides your reaction to it. Unless your child is married and has children of his/her own, it’s best not to point fingers.Feel free to tell me to go fuck myself, again.

  251. That worked out not well at all. Damn my 15 year old HTLM advisor!!

  252. That’s going to turn off a large number of independents.

    Who, oddly enough, will be perfectly okay with the way you’re talking about a 17-year-old girl, the man she loves, and the unborn baby they both love.

    Gotcha.

  253. Still have not seen that parenting book from Spear’s mom have we. Wanted to pick that one up.

  254. It’s on her freaking wikipedia page.

    Snicker.

  255. I think maybe winning the war in Iraq despite the anti-war pinko boat anchors marching in the streets, Reagan winning the Cold War, little things like that qualify as right.

    And if pissing off people like you makes me insane, pass the lithium and champagne!

    I get extra Rove Points and a few extra bucks on my Zionist Neocon check for every smelly hippie and coffee-house misunderstood genius I annoy.

    Hoot, the use of the phrase “full-throated approval” suits you in so many ways.

    ps: Your Gramma says to take out the trash and feed your seven cats.

  256. It’s on her freaking wikipedia page.

    Wikipedia says it, hoot believes it, that settles it.

  257. I guess obama is trailer trash too? His mom was an unwed teen too when she got knocked up…

  258. Oooh! Wall of text!

    That’s it. I’m voting for Obama.

  259. It’s on her wikipedia page

    It’s a bloody good thing that wikipedia is an authoritative source and not something that can be easily manipulated and punkd within minutes. If that weren’t the case, you’d look like an enormous tool right now or something.

    For god’s sake, it’s on teh internets. IT IS GOSPEL!

  260. “Gotcha.”

    Got what? What have I said about her and unborn baby and blah blah blah? They exist? How dare I.

  261. Why is Hoot still here? Hasn’t he gone swirly yet?

  262. 256 It was a joke, Get it, the “snicker,” should of been the give away

  263. Ooooh, wikipedia!

    The page also mentions the same thing the Time article does, which is that she’s a member of Feminists for Life, which does not oppose birth control.

    But by all means, keep screaming her fringe lunacy. The heartland will surely hear. Surely.

  264. And you evidence that she isn’t a fringe nut is some group she is a member of? That’s grade A evidence right there, folks.

  265. The left has become so used to screaming “hipocrisy!!!” (sic) they can’t stop themselves. That there’s no hypocrisy involved never occurs to them; realizing that would have required them to take a moment to think — and to attempt to understand the ideas and beliefs of their opponents.

    It’s fascinating, really. Rather like hooking a frog’s legs up to a battery and watching them twitch — a study in mindless reflexes.

  266. Obama can’t be trailer trash. Trailer trash is white. Obama is a victim who overcame. REVERE HIM!

  267. This calls for Thunderdome.

  268. @ #260: You’re the one predicting electoral disaster because of this announcement.

  269. Dude, her wikipedia page has been under constant revision since her selection. You’d think her backers could have gotten that one thing right by now.

  270. Careful Rob, you know how sensitive the libtards are to frog torture at Gitmo.

  271. Yes, hoot, membership in voluntary organizations is usually a good indicator of the beliefs one espouses. Particularly since membership in advocacy groups requires not that one merely hold a belief, but that one actively attempts to spread it and seek its public support.

    Keep flailing. That water has to calm down eventually.

  272. @ #262: No, when hoot posted it he wasn’t kidding. It takes brain-wave activity to make a joke.

  273. @ #269: Because the McCain camp has nothing better to do right now than get into an edit war with, well, the likes of you.

  274. Palin does support contraception, and is a member of Feminists for Life.[94][34] Palin is also a strong supporter of abstinence-only education.[95][96]

    Reading is fundamental, hoot. Are you the screechy nitwit formerly known as heet? Did you like lose the “e” from your keyboard?

  275. Is it just me, or are the comments around here almost FREAKING dead?

  276. As long as we’re looking for evidence…Sarah Palin believes in abstinence-only education in high school (which is not the same as saying women shouldn’t ever use birth control): but does anyone know what curriculum was actually in place at Bristol’s school?

    I’m really just curious. Doesn’t much matter either way to me.

  277. Still have not seen that parenting book from Spear’s mom have we. Wanted to pick that one up.

    Because the oldest son is into the drugs and dwi’s and highly public freakouts and losing of the children to custody battles due to failure to show in court. Because Sarah Palin is being sold to us solely on the basis of her perfect family and not because she’s a successful reformer and iconoclast in an area particularly hostile to female politicians. And because Sarah Palin’s biggest claim to fame is definitely having famous children.

    Why, the parallels between Lynn Spears and Sarah Palin just jump right off the page at you, don’t they.

    In a related topic, isn’t there somewhere else you can be stupid?

  278. Look Jeff.
    The dems will do their level best make this about social values.
    Incredible idiocy for team mccain to give them fodder.
    A five months pregant 17 yearold?
    And they knew about it?
    Pretty damn cruel to Bristol if you ask me.

    Trailer trash in the white house.

  279. Well, she’s also a member of a group advocating for the succession of Alaska. That’s kinda fucked up.

  280. Watching the “Wildman” marathon on HD, and he just made the best line: “They make look cuddly, but a wild koala can take your face off.”

    He then proceeded to molest the damned thing. Sadly, it did not take his face off.

  281. I’m off to make my own freakin’ wikipedia page full of useful facts and troofiness.

  282. Incidentally, camp Obamalot doesn’t want their minions attacking Bristol Palin or the Palin family for Bristol’s pregnancy. I guess because they don’t want to win the election — seeings as how the attacks we’ve been witness to over the last few days are going to show the American people just how hickish and embarrassing is this family of fish-stink and Godbother.

    FURIOUS ACTION ALERTS BEING RELEASED! MESSAGE: PLEASE. STOP FUCKING KILLING MY CANDIDACY!

  283. Well, she’s also a member of a group advocating for the succession of Alaska.

    Really? What will succeed Alaska, do you think?

  284. Profound lack of judgment.
    Reckless risktaking.
    Not qualities i look for in CinC.
    but maybe it’s senile dementia after all.
    ;)

  285. “They are what they pretend to despise.”

    Fuckin’ bingo, Jeff.

  286. Alaska will be succeeded by Alaska 2: Electric Boogaloo

  287. “The left has become so used to screaming “hipocrisy!!!” (sic) they can’t stop themselves. That there’s no hypocrisy involved never occurs to them; realizing that would have required them to take a moment to think — and to attempt to understand the ideas and beliefs of their opponents.”

    Then again the dems. have not been trying to run on a platform of family values have they? Although Obama did say, ” We can do more to drop the rate of teenage and out of wedlock pregnancy.” Hmmm maybe he knew all this going to come out last Thursday. What a brilliant man.

  288. FURIOUS ACTION ALERTS BEING RELEASED! MESSAGE: PLEASE. STOP FUCKING KILLING MY CANDIDACY!

    The frog and the scorpion: It is their nature, as programmed 40-odd years ago.

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  290. Here, Obamabots. I’ll do the work for you. Approved talking points vis-a-vis Palin from the ONE.

  291. The left has become so used to screaming “hipocrisy!!!” (sic) they can’t stop themselves.

    Neal Stephenson has an interesting take on that in Cryptonomicon(IIRC, could’ve been The Diamond Age).

    While I’m sure this won’t do it justice, the essential point of his thesis is that when all other moral standards have been abandoned, the only remaining standard is that of hypocrisy.

    Even if you argue that there are no objective moral or ethical standards, people can be still judged based on how well they adhere to their own espoused principles — hence the elevation of the venial commonplace of hypocrisy to the status of mortal sin. According to this viewpoint, it was okay for Stalin to murder people, because he wasn’t a hypocrite about it.

    Now, to you or me, that might appear to be a completely fucked-in-the-head point of view, but it seems to have won over most of the left. Thus, putting underwear on the head of a terrorist in Abu Ghraib was the Worst. Atrocity. Ever. ’cause the U.S. supports human rights, while sawing off the head of Daniel Pearl on camera is fine, ’cause that’s perfectly in accordance with the AlQ code.

    Unfortunately for them, Palin’s personal moral code (no abortions unless the life of the mother is in danger) is 100% conformant to her behavior (giving birth to a Downs baby and not hustling her daughter off for a quiet abortion in another state).

    I find hoot’s argument unconvincing. Or (again, translating into hoot and mike-speak): wanker.

  292. Charges of senile dementia will seem less funny when you get to be over 40, dipshits. In fact, they can be damn insulting to the demographic group most likely to actually put down the bong and the wii, get up off the couch and actually go vote on election day.

  293. no Jeff, O will keep his hands spotless.
    he will perform with grace and coutesy.
    Hes already said savaging Palin is a firing offense.
    toujours le preax chevalier
    but u know….there tons of ppl that arent on the Obama payroll that are gonna publicize this.
    extreme bad judgement on mccains part.

  294. Well, she’s also a member of a group advocating for the succession of Alaska. That’s kinda fucked up.

    And Obama’s been the member of a racist church for 20 years. That’s seriously fucked up.

  295. “Alaska will be succeeded by Alaska 2: Electric Boogaloo”

    No no no, Alaska2: Alaska Harder.

    Or maybe it was Alaska2: The Reckoning

  296. Ah, the grammar snark. Very effective. So, this position of her’s isn’t totally nuts, then?

  297. Alaska Revolutions.
    Alaska: Use Your Illusion II.

  298. lol SBP is a vickie.
    im not.
    im subversive.
    mark wat happened to the vickies in Diamond Age.
    Evolve or go extinct.

  299. “Comment by Rob Crawford on 9/1 @ 2:12 pm #

    The left has become so used to screaming “hipocrisy!!!” (sic) they can’t stop themselves.”

    “The reason any conservative’s failing is always major news is that it allows liberals to engage in their very favorite taunt: Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy is the only sin that really inflames them. Inasmuch as liberals have no morals, they can sit back and criticize other people for failing to meet the standards that liberals simply renounce. It’s an intriguing strategy. By openly admitting to being philanderers, draft dodgers, liars, weasels and cowards, liberals avoid ever being hypocrites.”

    -Ann Coulter

  300. Alaska II: This Time It’s Personal.

  301. Alaska2: This Time It’s Personal
    Alaska2: Dark Territory

  302. Alaska2: Escape From Guantanimo Bay

  303. Not so much effective as a remark on how little point there was to your bringing it up and how little water you pull.

    But even so, how many bombs has this group she allegedly belongs/belonged to planted? How many people have they killed? Has she had meetings with terrorists in her front parlor?
    Has she been serving on any boards with people that wish they had killed more people with bombs?

    Do the words Weather Underground or Bill Ayers not rattle the jingle-bell in your head?

    Please, pretty please, write to your messiahs Obama and Biden and make them bring this up in a debate!

  304. To TomB / Post #247

    On Friday a poster from the Palin’s home area, near the Valley, stated how Wasilla is considered the most backwoods, hillbilly part of occupied Alaska and that, I assume, other people from the surrounding area, at least those not enraptured by her screeching siren song, see her as a good example for the stereotype. I assume this is true since I read it on the internet ;-). Also, I am waiting for more details on daddy’s DWI. When Bristol Palin gets her book deal, from the publisher of the National Enquirer, I’m sure her father will step in to help manage her money, especially since she’ll be preoccupied with her bitter divorce and child custody case. (Wait, I think mom can help with that one.) Should the fact that out of everything I stated you chose to question only one item, which is obviously my opinion, mean that you consider everything else to be accurate?

  305. i dont think its hypocritical…..i think its STUPID.
    if you know the dems will try to make this a social values election, why give them ammo?
    surely there were other xx candiates for VP without the creationist baggage and a an unwed 5months pregnant teenage daughter?

    stupid cudlips.

  306. “Comment by quellcrist falconer on 9/1 @ 2:21 pm #

    Look Jeff.
    The dems will do their level best make this about social values.”

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASHAAHHASAAAA!!!!@11!!eleventy!!!

    Holy fuck, of all the brain-dead idiot coments that nisidiot has made here, that has to be the black hole leading to Teh Stoopid Universâ„¢ stupid.

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHHAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  307. Alaska2: The Golden Age

  308. Any details on this secession thing, hoot? Your precious wiki is mum. Are you arguing that she’s a member of the Alaska Independence Party?

  309. Pretty damn cruel to Bristol if you ask me.

    See, Jeff, it is all McCain’s fault for not realizing Nishfong’s tribe is a herd of viscous, sociopathic bitches who will stop at nothing to get what they want.

    It is not her fault.

  310. Then again the dems. have not been trying to run on a platform of family values have they?

    Uh, mike, family values includes the idea of supporting and embracing your children when they make mistakes. That’s why there’s no hypocrisy here.

    The left tosses around the slogan “hate is not a family value” — and they’re right. What a pity that it’s pretty obvious they simply do not have any concept what is a family value.

    But, hell, that was obvious when they went after Cheney for one of his daughters being homosexual. What did they expect? That conservatives would demand he reject her? That conservatives would reject him because of it?

  311. how Wasilla is considered the most backwoods, hillbilly part of occupied Alaska

    It’s a suburb of Anchorage, the largest city in the state.

    No part of Alaska that’s on the highway system could possibly be described as “backwoods” by local standards.

    Maybe you should ask hoot to give you some Wikipedia tips before you display your ignorance in public.

  312. Alaska 2: The Curse of the Unwed Mother
    Starring: Andrew Sullivan as Andrew Sullivan
    Co-starring: Hoot as Alan Colmes

  313. Alaska 2: The ANWR Awakening

  314. Alaska 2: Now Four Times Bigger than Texas.

  315. lol…heres a thot.
    Obama is behaving presidentially in outlawing Palins pregnant underaged daughter as a target of discussion.

    My eurofriends have this charmin pastime…they read outloud from those whack Leftbehinder books and howl with laffter over what moronic yokels americans are.

  316. Comment by quellcrist falconer on 9/1 @ 2:34 pm #

    Holy fuck, she’s still at it!!!!!!!

    Fucking moron.

  317. but u know….there tons of ppl that arent on the Obama payroll that are gonna publicize this.
    extreme bad judgement on mccains part.

    That was my point.If this came out just now, and he did not know about it before his selection that would be an unfortunate suprise. But to know full well that her daughter was pregnant and still pick her was a poor decision, and reflects his judgement. No he is not a christian conservative as previously pointed out. But he is the number one person for the party that represents their interests.

  318. O will keep his hands spotless.
    he will perform with grace and coutesy.
    Hes already said savaging Palin is a firing offense.

    Which might mean something if he were calling the shots.

  319. Well, she’s also a member of a group advocating for the succession of Alaska.

    There’s a group that has advocated secession of Alaska, but it’s a political party. Palin is a Republican and I don’t think that’s the one advocating secession.

  320. howl with laffter over what moronic yokels americans are

    And yet, somehow, we managed to get through the last century without having 100 million people murdered by their own governments.

  321. I have a question for those calling Sarah trailer trash and demanding she pull out of politics due to her daughters pregnancy.

    Should we go into every politicians background, and make sure none of them have had an unplanned pregnancy in their family? Like, open Chelsea Clintons Medical records to be certain she never had an abortion (or is it just Bristols decision to keep the baby that disqualifies her mother for office?), and if she did, expel Hillary from the senate.

    Then do the same to every family member of every politician in Washington?

    ‘Cuz, you know, I wouldn’t want you guys to look like hipocrits!

  322. Among the myriad elements of “family values” is that one should take responsibility for one’s offspring, be they intended or no.

    Often, this involves marrying the person who made the baby with you, so as to give the child a family to grow up in.

    Again, your argument seems to be nothing other than “Bristol’s a whore, so her mom’s a hypocrite.”

    Neither statement is well-founded.

  323. lol SBP is a vickie.

    nishi, unlike you, I understand what “fiction” means.

  324. @305:

    That being the black hole that is formed when someone’s head goes so far up their own ass that the entire body is sucked in?

    And black holes are racist, if you didn’t get the memo.

  325. “Hes already said savaging Palin is a firing offense.”

    Which means he thinks savaging her is dumb polticially, and that people who do it will come off as assholes.

    This speaks not well of your contributions to this little blog.

  326. I think Hope, Arkansas and Springfield, IL were also considered backwoods.
    John Edwards was the son of a millworker from the “backwoods” before he was an ambulance chasing dead-baby medium that knocks up campaign staff.

    I’d trust a woman from the country to watch my back before I’d ever trust some basement genius or Ivy League elitist.

  327. You always know when the Left are running scared: they show up here and start shitting in the punchbowl. You’re going to lose the election, fucktards–deal with it.

  328. And yet we moronic yokels still keep having to save your asses and give you blue jeans and screw your women.

  329. “Comment by qwfwq on 9/1 @ 2:44 pm #

    You always know when the Left are running scared: they show up here and start shitting in the punchbowl. You’re going to lose the election, fucktards–deal with it.”

    I’m getting that feeling, too.

  330. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/1 @ 1:35 pm #

    Consider yourself on notice to have a peekey-poo at it as well.

    Yes, I know I have shortcomings when it comes to “polychromatic folly” and shit like that.

    Here’s some English for you, little boy: suck my dick.

    Representations of little boys and pant-at-the-ankle declarations creates quite an intersection of deviant arts. Are you familiar with Apollonaire’s “espirit nouveau?” I see you authoring a Genetesque homage to, oh, maybe, John Wayne; a surrealist’s take for art’s sake!

  331. Ah, but sifty, they TRANSCENDED their bumblefuck roots by careful association with the ELITE institutions that make you smart and wise.

    If you don’t do that, then, you know, and the horse you rode in on.

    By the way, O!’s candidacy proves that truly ANYone in America can grow up and be President.

  332. But to know full well that her daughter was pregnant and still pick her was a poor decision, and reflects his judgement.

    The Mother of All Non-Sequiturs.

  333. The sound of liberal heads exploding on Nov. 5 is going to be like a stampede of buffalo running over the world’s biggest sheet of bubble-wrap.

    And I’m gonna eat a steak and drink a beer and watch a John Wayne movie.

  334. Are you familiar with Apollonaire’s “espirit nouveau?”

    Are you familiar with “go fuck yourself”?

    No time to play, little boy.

  335. And who every was the dumb twat above that said the Left teaches sex is sex and the Right teaches sex is evil is an idiot of the first order. A conservative family is every bit into teaching about sex and the consequences and the “you need to wait”. But you can direct teens, you cannot control them.

    There’s a great difference between dragging them to the abortion clinic, and supporting them with love when they want to get married and raise their babies.

  336. right BMoes
    just wat every 17 year old pregnant teenager wants, to pilloried in the media.
    sweet choice by caring mom Sarah, huh?

  337. Keep insulting the “bumblefuck roots” people. It worked so well in 2004.

  338. Comment by Jeff G. on 9/1 @ 2:26 pm #

    Here, Obamabots. I’ll do the work for you. Approved talking points vis-a-vis Palin from the ONE.

    I’ve already landed enough roundhouses to that lady’s head. I’ll allow her to walk the plank in peace.

  339. #

    Comment by quellcrist falconer on 9/1 @ 2:50 pm #

    right BMoes
    just wat every 17 year old pregnant teenager wants, to pilloried in the media.
    sweet choice by caring mom Sarah, huh?

    To pretend that you actually give a shit about these people is even more insulting than just being honest with your disdain.

  340. just wat every 17 year old pregnant teenager wants, to pilloried in the media.

    By your own admission, those pillorying her are your political allies, Nish. Are you saying the visciousness of the Left is a force of nature, like earthquakes and hurricanes? Or maybe just like the guy who has to slap his old lady when dinner isn’t on time? Told the bitch ta have it done, didn’t he?

  341. Maybe Bristol thinks this is what she needs to go through, in the interest of something bigger than her feelings of the moment. Maybe she’s a patriotic American.

    (I can’t see — is nishtoon’s head emitting green smoke yet?)

  342. I’ve already landed enough roundhouses to that lady’s head. I’ll allow her to walk the plank in peace.

    The imagery you use is telling. Your slip is showing, jellyfish.

  343. “just wat every 17 year old pregnant teenager wants, to pilloried in the media.”

    Said the gal urging the crowd at the pillory on.

    Remember when Malcom X said that the wolf has no right to ask the sheep if the sheep hates him? I keep thinking of that.

  344. Oh, geeze. Now I’m gonna have to throw away these shoes.

    I oughta know better.

  345. Mike

    No he is not a christian conservative as previously pointed out. But he is the number one person for the party that represents their interests.

    I can’t help but notic eit isn’t the Christian conservatives OUTRAGED!!! by this. It’s the asshats like you and your “tribe”.

    Do you see the flaw in your reasoning?

    the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue

  346. A really bold stand by her mother would have been to just ignore the rumors about her baby and make the judgement that it is none of our business. Then we wouldn’t have been having any of this discussion. That is a family value you Hypocrites. I’m sure her daughter would of appreciated that. But I guess the politics were more important.

  347. “I’ve already landed enough roundhouses to that lady’s head.”

    Ah.

    Delusions of gender.

    That explains a lot.

  348. Should the fact that out of everything I stated you chose to question only one item, which is obviously my opinion, mean that you consider everything else to be accurate?

    No, I consider everything you wrote to be as accurate as that unsupportable, stuipd assertion I asked you about. Interestingly enough, you wrote almost as much this time admitting you had nothing.

    Here’s a clue sparky; more words doesn’t make it any more intelligent, just more verbose, and boring.

  349. A really bold stand by her mother would have been to just ignore the rumors about her baby and make the judgement that it is none of our business. Then we wouldn’t have been having any of this discussion.

    Surreal.

  350. By your own admission, those pillorying her are your political allies, Nish. Are you saying the visciousness of the Left is a force of nature, like earthquakes and hurricanes? Or maybe just like the guy who has to slap his old lady when dinner isn’t on time? Told the bitch ta have it done, didn’t he?

    Nishi claims to be Muslim — her co-religionists would have Bristol killed for being an adulteress. They’d also have Sarah stoned for being outdoors without being covered head-to-toe.

    Just something to keep in mind when nishi gets to bleating.

  351. Surreal.

    That’s a mild word for it.

  352. right BMoes
    just wat every 17 year old pregnant teenager wants, to pilloried in the media.
    sweet choice by caring mom Sarah, huh?

    Where is she being pilloried in the media? She is being pilloried by YOU, and your tribe of neo-savages. Own it. You aren’t fooling anyone with your crocodile tears of concern.

    We already know a crocodile has more morals than you.

  353. Ed Morrissey

    Our son and daughter-in-law had just started their senior year in high school when they became pregnant, and I use that pronoun deliberately. The two of them formed their own unit and held each other up during a terribly stressful year. Meanwhile, we parents had to support them as best we could, and make sure they knew we loved and supported them through it all. In return, we discovered two wonderful adults who had just been children shortly before, and when the Little Admiral came, two wonderful parents as well.
    None of this was easy, and we certainly all had our moments during this stressful time. However, we took each day as it came, and we discovered that it really didn’t bring the world to an end or stop the two of them from pursuing their dreams Like Bristol, our son and daughter-in-law got engaged shortly afterwards, and this month celebrated six years of marriage. Both of them graduated from college this year, and my son will start graduate school this week. It took them a little longer, but they achieved their goals. …

    Most people, I’d say, will wish Bristol and the Palins well. None of us quit our jobs to help our son and daughter-in-law cope, and neither will Sarah Palin, because it’s unnecessary.
    We would all do better just to admire the Palins for their love and support for Bristol, Bristol’s courage in pursuing motherhood when faced with a difficult but hardly unusual situation, and agree that this has little to do with whether Sarah Palin will make a good Vice President. Families have been dealing with this since … there were families. Neither side should use Bristol to score political points. Keeping them in our prayers would also be the kindest action we can take.

    Do you see, Leftcultists and Obamabots THAT is right of center FAMILY VALUES.

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  355. #

    Comment by Darleen on 9/1 @ 3:11 pm #

    Ed Morrissey

    Our son and daughter-in-law had just started their senior year in high school when they became pregnant, and I use that pronoun deliberately. The two of them formed their own unit and held each other up during a terribly stressful year. Meanwhile, we parents had to support them as best we could, and make sure they knew we loved and supported them through it all. In return, we discovered two wonderful adults who had just been children shortly before, and when the Little Admiral came, two wonderful parents as well.
    None of this was easy, and we certainly all had our moments during this stressful time. However, we took each day as it came, and we discovered that it really didn’t bring the world to an end or stop the two of them from pursuing their dreams Like Bristol, our son and daughter-in-law got engaged shortly afterwards, and this month celebrated six years of marriage. Both of them graduated from college this year, and my son will start graduate school this week. It took them a little longer, but they achieved their goals. …

    Most people, I’d say, will wish Bristol and the Palins well. None of us quit our jobs to help our son and daughter-in-law cope, and neither will Sarah Palin, because it’s unnecessary.
    We would all do better just to admire the Palins for their love and support for Bristol, Bristol’s courage in pursuing motherhood when faced with a difficult but hardly unusual situation, and agree that this has little to do with whether Sarah Palin will make a good Vice President. Families have been dealing with this since … there were families. Neither side should use Bristol to score political points. Keeping them in our prayers would also be the kindest action we can take.

    Do you see, Leftcultists and Obamabots THAT is right of center FAMILY VALUES.

    Amen.

  356. I’m sure he seems to be “a brilliant man” to an absolute dumbfuck as yourself, Mike. He’s smart, though. He’s played millions of morons such as yourself.

  357. SBP and Sifty,

    I live in a city of 180,000 and can drive 15 miles in any direction and be in monster truck, WWF, confederate-flag-in-the-back-window-to-keep-dust-off-the-gun rack heaven. I was simply passing on a statement from someone in the Governor’s own back yard. We ignorant elitists are everywhere, don’t you know. Being a hillbilly is not necessarily location specific – its more a state of mind(less). Palin 2009 – right after J Mac has a massive heart attack when the democratic congress doesn’t rubberstamp his zany ideas, like nuking all those Sunnis (cue Lieberman) in Iran.

    Enough for me. People like you and I aren’t going to be swayed by anyone elses opinion and the fleeting satisfaction of this intellectual pissing contest has thus lost its allure. Maybe your arguments would be better aimed at those who voted for Dubya in 2004 – after voting for him in 2000. Came up with a new saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shoot me, please – I’m too dumb to live.

  358. This a lot enhances Sarah P’s message of Hope and Change I think. We’re gonna have a little baby! She’s gonna make a beautiful grandmother I think, and wise.

  359. I’m sure he seems to be “a brilliant man” to an absolute dumbfuck as yourself, Mike. He’s smart, though. He’s played millions of morons such as yourself

    It was ment tongue and cheek as a foreshadowing of todays announcement, even though Mccain hadn’t even made the annoucement yet, but then i guess you are too dense to pick that up. I have no patience for ignorance. And by the way the Obama’s hail from Ivy league with law degrees and honors. you?

  360. I love this!! the anger, hatred and viciousness of the left guarantees McCain this election, just as it the left’s anger and hatred caused them to lose the last presidential election.

    they believe the right is vicious and filled with hatred, which in their minds absolves them of any wrong they do.

    they preached to us during the debate over “interrogation” (read, making terrorists uncomfotable) lowered us to where we were no better than the terrorists and thus destroying the U.S. But, in their rush to become as vicious, hate-filled, and evil as they believe that the right is, they are doing the same.

    It’s interesting that in debate after debate, the left does exactly what they claim to be against. that from one year to the next they completely reverse what they allegedly stand for, and that when it comes to the practice of their alleged “beliefs” they never practice what they preach.

    All of the evils they believe exist in the hearts of conservatives is actually daily on display in the words and deeds of the leftists.

    Which brings me to the question I always ask the left – why is it that your political persausion, whenever it gains power, turns to totatilariansims and human atrocities, but it has never been the case for conseravtism? I.e., why does leftist ideology always lead to the mass murder and deprivations of Castro, Stalin, Mao, etc? We see this kind of rationalization of evil tactics daily on the blogs, I can easily imagine our leftist friends doing the sort of things they feel “necessary” to form a more perfect world one in power in America. The seeds have been set with political correctness, we see O! already threatening political adversaries with departmnet of justice investigations, the left is more than happy to vandalize the property of those who have bumper stickers of a republican, and we have leftist outfits researching donors to republicans and trying to get them fired.

    Not much of step from the brown-shirt tactics to even more violence. And, with the villanization you are willing to engage in, making your political enemies into something less than human in your own minds, won’t it be easy to being the round-ups? And yet you accuse the conservatives of doing all the things you are the ones actually doing.

  361. I would wish you the joy of living under your new socialist overlords, Ian, but that would mean that I would have to share in your misery and stand in line for toilet paper. So no, the Obamessiah will lose and the fun will ensue. I voted for Bush twice because he was the only grown-up in both races. Algore the Tin-foil Hat or John French “Jenjis Khan” Kerry were non-starters.

    You libs put up a candidate that doesn’t have a yellow streak a mile wide down his back and maybe we’ll talk.

  362. Maybe even in time for Christmas, but probably not in time to get it into the Christmas letter I bet.

  363. If the liberals could grow as big a set of balls when it comes to terrorists as they have when it comes to conservatives, this country would be unstoppable.

    Liberals can tolerate anything but dissent from liberalism.

  364. Bristol strikes me as a very courageous young lady. We’ve overlooked these Alaskans too long I think. They seem like good people. Good American people. Kind of like Texans really.

  365. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, shoot me, please – I’m too dumb to live.

    Wow, that’s original.

    How about this one instead?

    Nominate an empty-suit leftist in 2000, get bitchslapped. Nominate a second leftist in 2004, get bitchslapped. Nominate a third empty-suit leftist in 2008… well, a smart guy like can fill in the blanks, I’m sure.

  366. If the liberals could grow as big a set of balls when it comes to terrorists as they have when it comes to conservatives, this country would be unstoppable

    yeah IRAQ was a great choice,WMD’s. Bush got cocky after Afganistan and figured Iraq would be the same. Most likely would have gone after Iran on some trumped up charges too if Iraq didn’t turn in to such a cluster…. and you wonder why you are going to loose the election

  367. Mike, do you really believe that having a law degree and honors from a university mean something about the quality of a person? Really believe it?

    Are these people more likely to run into a burning building to save a child, donate organs, help a neighbor?

    What is the magic you see in the “elites”? Is it hero worship?

  368. Mike. We won Iraq. And we’ll win Afghanistan. And we’ll win in Iran.

    In spite of you surrender monkeys.

  369. Oh, and Mike.

    your welcome. you know, for the freedom and safety to be a yellow douchebag surrendercrat.

  370. Mike, do you really believe that having a law degree and honors from a university mean something about the quality of a person? Really believe it?

    The comment was in regards to the “dumbass” statement describing Obama. Try to keep up please. And no it doesn’t make them a great person to have a law degree. It does however help when you are writing them.

  371. It takes a lot of courage to keep your feet in the air during the heaviest waves of coital fury. Bristol will need to drop out of high school and care for her hungry child. Food stamps, welfare and a lot of donated powdered baby formula from her church’s homeless pantry and that her baby might just make it through the night.

    Let’s all join in prayer, shall we.

  372. Comment by mike on 9/1 @ 3:31 pm #

    Please, learn some history.

    Then comment.

    That way you won’t look like a fool.

  373. So I’m curiuous, to you right wing hawks. In the big picture Iraq gained us what?

  374. Maybe your arguments would be better aimed at those who voted for Dubya in 2004 – after voting for him in 2000.

    That would be me, and don’t regret a second of it.

    The messiah party line of 4 more years of Bush gives me a tingle up my leg.

    You know why? Because I’m a bitter clinger, not a Harvard elitist trying to control the lives of the bitter clingers (i.e. trailer trash).

    Got news for you sporty, educated isn’t the same as smart. And in either case, a high IQ doesn’t make you a better human.

  375. In the big picture Iraq gained us what?

    You mean besides a strategic position smack at the crossroads of Africa and Asia?

    You mean besides having a dangerous enemy (Iran) caught between US forces on either side?

    You mean besides a new ally with fucktons of oil? (you know, that “It’s for the OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIL!” meme? Remember that one?)

    You mean besides removing a brutal dictator and liberating 30 million people?

    You mean besides demonstrating to current and future enemies that pissing off the United States is an astoundingly bad idea?

    Why, not one damned thing.

  376. Do we think the thugs battling the St. Paul police outside the Republican Convention are McCain or Obama supporters?

    If McCain loses, there will be sadness. If Obama loses, there will be riots.

  377. Please, learn some history.

    Then comment.

    That way you won’t look like a fool

    hmmm what a bold and empty statement . And if you are referring to the second term of bush election, that is not what i was talking about. i was referring to the upcoming election fool

  378. Why people gotta be so mean he wonders.

  379. It was ment tongue and cheek as a foreshadowing of todays announcement, even though Mccain hadn’t even made the annoucement yet, but then i guess you are too dense to pick that up. I have no patience for ignorance.

    So we have a reason now for your self-loathing. That is a start.

  380. So I’m curiuous, to you right wing hawks. In the big picture Iraq gained us what?

    Exposure of the traitorous in our midst?

  381. OK, traitorous my be a little strong. Let me change that to cowards in our midst.

  382. I was thinking “seditious,” Lee.

  383. Thanks SBP, I wanted to say that, but didn’t have the energy to go through it again for the coward idiot.

    I went for pithy instead.

  384. 373 number one Iraq wants us out. they have made that quite clear with the timeline. Oh and abou the same 16 months that Obama had stated. Number two, Iraq has emboldened nations like Iran and N Korea, because they know we can’t possibly deal with another campaign right know with troop fatigue and a lack of numbers. Due in part to the Clinton scaling back the militery. Three: Iraq can selll their oil to anyone, ie a multi-billion dollar deal with China. Four: while Saddam was a scumbag and coward, there are a hell of a lot worse leaders in this world then one we had in a box of no fly zone and under constant survilence. Thus giving us a good world accepted reason for staying on Irans doorstep.

  385. Oh, yes, that works well also Jeffersonian.

  386. “So I’m curiuous, to you right wing hawks. In the big picture Iraq gained us what?”

    Proof that Liberalism is a mental disorder.

  387. Ummmm, seems idiot works best.

  388. My eurofriends have this charmin pastime…they read outloud from those whack Leftbehinder books and howl with laffter over what moronic yokels americans are.

    Appropriate typo with “charmin” because you and your euroweenies are full of what goes onto Charmin.

    I suppose it’s more comforting to laugh at American yokels than recognize the intolerant and growing Muslim populations in their own countries.

  389. Baracky wanted us to fail in Iraq. Yay Al Qaeda! he thought, yay Iran! He loved it when our soldiers were dying and dying. He felt so pleased with himself. He doesn’t want to talk about it so much anymore.

  390. Trailer trash in the white house.

    Ummm, I think that was 1992-2000. Have a cigar.

  391. Oh and abou the same 16 months that Obama had stated.

    How long ago did Obama make the 16 month pledge Einstein?

  392. “there are a hell of a lot worse leaders in this world then one we had in a box of no fly zone and under constant survilence. ”

    Defending failed policies a Liberal’s work for life.

  393. 389 About a month before the Iraq leadership proposed the same. Albert

  394. This Palin family seems pretty dysfunctional. Sarah Palin needs to spend more time and energy than she has on raising her 17 year old and her 5 month old son/grandson. She has been irresponsible. You can’t just be pro-life until the birth and then disregard your responsibilities the second the child is born. I’m sorry – but the fact is that the family of the candidates are also running for office. What kind of message does this family send to other US families? Either teach your daughter not to have premarital teenage sex OR be realistic and get her on reliable birth control. The US population now and in the future will need to be globally competitive for our middle class to have any sort of decent standard of living. Guess what – having children out of wedlock at 17 is the opposite of what our young people need to be doing right now. The Palin’s are a poor example for our country. This family seems strangely focused on irresponsible breeding – age 44/downs syndrome/demanding job as governor – now US VP candidate! + age 17 unmarried teen! Ladies, get yourselves under control!

  395. mike: Get back to me when you’ve mastered the “paragraph” concept. Your wall-o-text makes my eyes hurt.

  396. Kristy: how does it feel to not have a single original thought in your head? Good, I’ll bet.

  397. Real woman to woman advice! I like it!

  398. just wat every 17 year old pregnant teenager wants, to pilloried in the media.
    sweet choice by caring mom Sarah, huh?

    The choice was made when the teenage daughter of a notable politician decided to have sex, risking a very public premarital pregnancy.

    So what you are saying is that if a publicly prominent woman has children with potentially embarrassing behavior she should withdraw from public life out of consideration of protecting her child from that embarrassment. Do you apply the same standards to male politicians?

  399. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/1 @ 4:06 pm #

    Kristy: how does it feel to not have a single original thought in your head? Good, I’ll bet.

    Why ask that question. I could have sworn you said you were writing a book.

  400. thor: Suck my dick.

  401. They’re not our young people you daffy collectivist bint.

  402. #386 And my friends read aloud from The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf and marvel at all the wonderful events of the last century of European history. We have so much to learn!

  403. Funny how quickly the left abandons their beliefs, isn’t it?

  404. Jeffersonian:

    vicious = cruel
    viscous = thick as in a high viscosity liquid

  405. So the columnist above says the entire left – all liberals in the world are tainted because of those pathetic and misguided souls who pay no attention to Obama declaration that this is out of bounds – and who go after the family. I think it is wrong too. But does Malkin and our columnist – think that the entire right wing block is to blame – for those who circulate the smears about Obama, Michelle, Obmas extended family, people who have been in the same room with Obama, people whose names starts with “O”? If you were to heap all the stinking smears from both sides in rotting piles – which pile do you really believe would be the taller, deeper and more odious? I am betting on the home of the Swiftboaters for sure.

  406. Liberal Commandment #1: History begins and ends whenever we decide it does.
    Liberal Commandment #2: Everything is different when a liberal does it.
    Liberal Commandment #3: Our riots, intolerance, hatred, and violence are OK because we do it for “peace” and we do it to Americans.
    Liberal Commandment #4: Just because we would pay $50 to have it done to us in San Francisco does not mean the same thing isn’t torture in Gitmo.
    Liberal Commandment #5: Anywhere somewhere else is better than anywhere in America.
    Liberal Commandment #6: We know how to spend your paycheck much better than you do.
    Liberal Commandment #7: We know how to live your life much better than you do.
    Liberal Commandment #8: White people shall feel guilty for all the bad things of history, but responsible for none of the good things.
    Liberal Commandment #9: There shall be no God above an elected or appointed liberal.
    Liberal Commandment #10: What you call sin, we call diversity.

  407. 393 this is a blog, dumbass. if i were writing for eloquence of grammatical perfection i would be writing a thesis or paper. but if that is the best you can do for an arguement then i guess the truth hurts. bye for now i have more important things to discuss with more informed people GO OBAMA

  408. I am betting on the home of the Swiftboaters for sure.

    Barry: what, exactly, did the Swiftboaters say that wasn’t true?

    Be specific.

  409. “I am betting on the home of the Swiftboaters for sure.”

    The Swift Boat Vets were telling the truth. Don’t forget that little detail.

  410. this is a blog, dumbass.

    Which is written in English.

    Which includes concepts as “paragraphs”, “grammar”, “spelling”, and “punctuation”.

    Learn to speak it.

    Thanks.

  411. “…The US population now and in the future will need to be globally competitive for our middle class to have any sort of decent standard of living. …”

    So I take it you have been working overtime to see to it the Democratic obstructionists of a coherent US energy policy are defeated at every turn, right? No time left to be worrying about the Palin family. Work, work, work, right? So many obstructionists, so little time.

    Oh, wait.

  412. About a month before the Iraq leadership proposed the same

    Uh, huh. From 18 1/2 months ago.

    WhenI say we are going to pull out,” Obama said, “we can take one to two brigades out every month responsibly and safely. At that pace, it would take 16 months to get our combat troops back home.”

  413. “i have more important things to discuss with more informed people GO OBAMA”

    That these two phrases are written side by side is hilarious in and of itself.

  414. To Spies:

    That was my original response to the news of Palin’s teen’s pregnancy (or two). Just because there are others who share my common sense and logic driven assessment of the situation, does not make my observation any less valuable.

    I searched for your name on this page and found that you spend a great deal of time criticising other posters – rather than focused on debate or expressing thoughts and ideas.

    – – – – – –
    I don’t think I have ever seen this much activity on a topic in a single day on the Internet. There are blogs with thousands of comments all written today! And yet – nothing mentioned on TV.

    This is such a freak show. In a single day, the worlds of trashy celebrity (that pregnant teen sister of Britney Spears) and the highest levels of US politics have been merged.

  415. Oops, sorry, 8 1/2 months ago.

  416. Yeah, an orderly humiliating retreat in the face of an enemy that saws people’s heads off on YouTube is much better to stomach. Victory shmictory. Honor shmoner.

    The Democrats manage to out-French the French at every turn.

    Much to liberals’ chagrin, there will be no frantic helicopter evacs off the embassy roof this time.

    Sorry Pinkos. We leave with our heads held high this time.

  417. “17 is the opposite of what our young people need to be doing right now. The Palin’s are a poor example for our country. This family seems strangely focused on irresponsible breeding – age 44″

    So at what age should the government force women to have their one child comrade?

  418. I searched for your name on this page and found that you spend a great deal of time criticising other posters

    Kristy: stop parroting stupid talking points that you’ve copied and pasted from other sites and I’ll stop “criticising” you.

    Promise.

  419. “having children out of wedlock at 17 is the opposite of what our young people need to be doing right now. ”

    You’re right. O!’s mom should have had one.

  420. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/1 @ 4:12 pm #

    this is a blog, dumbass.

    Which is written in English.

    Which includes concepts as “paragraphs”, “grammar”, “spelling”, and “punctuation”.

    Learn to speak it.

    Thanks.

    You’re being put on notice to learn to write it.

    Within the state of Alaska it is estimated that 65% of children with FAS are either in state custody and living in foster care or have been in state custody and are now in adoptive homes. Only 23% of affected children are living at home with one or both biological parents. FAS and other alcohol affected children have much greater needs than other children in foster care, increasing the need for augmented care rates, adoption subsidies and special services for respite care, infant learning programs, health care, educational services and others.

    Source: State of Alaska, DHSS, 1997.

    Results from the Alaska Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Prevention Project.

    It is estimated that the lifetime cost for one individual diagnosed with fetal alcohol syndrome is $1.4 million dollars!

    I think we must ask some tough questions of the Palin family’s alcohol intake. They are Alaskans, after all.

  421. Excellent dre, I owe you a cigar.

  422. one=an abortion

  423. I posted an entry about the timing of the pregnancy announcement. Thought you might be interested.

  424. thor, may you meet an Alaskan in an alley somewhere.

  425. You’re being put on notice to learn to write it.

    thor: Thanks for your input. Now suck my dick.

  426. I don’t think Kristy is a for real American. She says US too much like daffy european or whatever bints do. Also she’s not very clever.

  427. Spies, etc.

    You really should respect your penis more. You know what hijinks thor gets up to.

  428. “I think we must ask some tough questions of the Palin family’s alcohol intake. They are Alaskans, after all.”

    Man you lefties are going after the Native Americans now. The little brown people can be thrown under the O! bus.

  429. Even without concrete data, we know anecdotally that Alaska experiences a high rate of births where alcohol was present. Alaska is among the leading states in the nation in estimates of alcohol-related risk factors.

    Alaska has one of the highest per capita alcohol consumption levels in the nation-30% higher than the national average (U.S. DHHS, 1991)

    Alaska has the highest rate of alcohol-related hospitalizations in the country (Adams and Yuan, et.al., 1993)

    Alaska is among the top five states in the country for the highest prevalence of binge drinking or drinking of more than 30 drinks per month among women of reproductive age (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1994).

    The impact of prenatal exposure to alcohol affects a wide range of social, educational and health services across our state. The greatest impacts are within our health care systems, educational systems, mental health and developmental disabilities services, child protective services, job training, employment, public safety and our correctional systems.

    Isn’t Mr. Palin at least part native Indian? Anyone seen the FAS statistics on that group?

  430. I bet mangos are really expensive in Alaska.

  431. SdFerr you said: “So I take it you have been working overtime to see to it the Democratic obstructionists of a coherent US energy policy are defeated at every turn, right?”

    No, when I referred to the US middle class needing to be globally competitive, in addition to personal responsibility (such as not having an out of wedlock teen pregnancy at age 17), I am talking about issues such as young college graduates in the US being saddled with student debt (or being prevented from pursuing higher education in the first place) while other countries are investing in their youth, standards for K-12 education below other industrialized countries, US corporations receiving the benefits of our laws and stability to grow – and then being rewarded for moving jobs overseas… and many other ways that the middle class is being gutted for profit.

    I was not referring to, “obstructionists of a coherent US energy policy.” Honestly, I couldn’t even begin to comment on this unless I knew how these terms were being defined: “obstructionists” and “coherent.”

  432. “#Comment by happyfeet on 9/1 @ 4:25 pm #

    I don’t think Kristy is a for real American.”

    Man hf you’re questioning her patriotism.

  433. See what I mean? That’s just weird.

  434. I think she a very patriotic Canadian maybe.

  435. And Alaskans hardly ever eat arugula!

  436. The Palin’s are a poor example for our country

    Yeah, as opposed to Obama, who had his kids baptized in a church that God damns Amerikkka, and preaches hate, racism, and lies about the AIDs virus.

    Who wants abortion survivors murdered.

    Who calls Bristols condition a punishment.

    Admit it Kristy, you don’t give a shit about the message Bristols pregnancy has, you just don’t want your guy to take the asswhipping in the election that Palin is going to hand him.

  437. I don’t think Kristy is a for real American.

    “Criticise” was a dead giveaway.

  438. “I am talking about issues such as young college graduates in the US being saddled with student debt”

    How about windfall profit taxes on BIG EDUCATION.

  439. good catch, Spies

  440. I’ve got a solution for out-of-control student debt.

    Get a fuckin job, stay off the bong, and suck it up like an adult you simpering twit.

    Don’t make bills you can’t afford.

    Your communist paradise was tried before.

  441. “…while other countries are investing in their youth, standards for K-12 education below other industrialized countries,…”

    So I take it this means you are adamantly opposed to teachers unions of any sort? Get rid of the “me first” bums in the school systems who could care less about educating children (let alone themselves), yes?

  442. “US corporations receiving the benefits of our laws and stability to grow – and then being rewarded for moving jobs overseas… and many other ways that the middle class is being gutted for profit.”

    How’s come BIG GREEN gets a pass when it comes to oil/gas production jobs being shipped overseas because of BIG GREEN luddite policies.

  443. And by the way the Obama’s hail from Ivy league with law degrees and honors. you?

    You’re coming close to advocating some kind of aristocracy based on what college you attended. Frankly, I don’t like the idea that one’s future is determined when they receive a college admissions letter at the age of 17.

    Those of us who went to Michigan have never been very impressed with the Ivy League. For the matter, we’re also not that impressed with impressive colleges, even our own. The University of Michigan is an elite school drawing the best high school students in the state as well as a large number of high performing students from out of state. Michigan State, on the other hand, generally draws students with lower GPAs and test scores. Michigan is considered a major research university while locals call State “Moo U”, reflecting its roots as a land grant agricultural college. That being said, there’s a popular joke here that even Michigan alums laugh at: What do Michigan graduates call MSU grads? Boss. Michigan gets the eggheads and Michigan State gets the hard working kids who start businesses.

    If you note, Gov. Palin and her husband own a business. Barack and Michelle Obama own fancy degrees (and a house financed by a gangster).

  444. If only more liberal daddies would have hugged more red diaper babies. Then we wouldn’t have to read such angst and misogyny about Bristol’s baby.

  445. If only more liberal daddies would have hugged more red diaper babies.

    Fortunately for all, that won’t be a problem in the future. They’re all being aborted these days.

  446. Prevalence of FASD in Alaska

    With funding from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Alaska was one of five state’s who comprised the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome Surveillance Network (FASSNet), a collaboration between CDC, Arizona, Colorado, New York, Wisconsin and Alaska to develop a standardized, multi-source FAS surveillance method that can begin to provide consistent and comparable FAS prevalence rates across the country.

    Alaska has the highest rate of FAS among the five FASSNet states at 1.4 per 1,000 live births;

    Approximately 126 infants are born each year in Alaska who have been affected by maternal alcohol use during pregnancy;

    Alaska Natives have a FAS prevalence rate of 4.8 per 1,000 live births.

    Is fetal alcohol syndrome acceptable? Is FAS disabled children better than abortions as an alternative? Do laws against abortions in cases of rape and incest increase the likely hood of rape an incest?

    Provocative topics!

  447. You know Spies, that is the paradox of being pro-common-sense. Knowing abortion should be avoided if at all possible, yet knowing that an entire mob of liberal idiots is being prevented from being inflicted on the rest of us.

    hmmm.

  448. Pretty sure your 15 minutes were up about, oh, 4 or 5 weeks ago, thor.

    But do keep milking it like Gloria Swanson in Sunset Boulevard.

    Heh.

  449. God knows we shouldn’t respect the decisions of Sarah Palin and her family, right Kristi? Or their privacy.

  450. thor, your eugenics would have been very popular about 60-odd years ago.

  451. Maybe “Kristy” is thor’s Russian girlfriend. A lot of Russians use British spelling.

  452. thor. Project much?

  453. Hey, I just stumbled on this blog because of the Palin thing. I’m taking off since it is a bit of a false dichotomy circle jerk. Unlike you boys (SDFerr, dre), I’m not into the democrat-vs-repub / liberal-vs-conservative bulls***. It’s not that interesting debating with someone who continually just searches for a way to attack – rather than actually discussing and debating.

    I could be off base but from my brief visit, you guys seem pretty full of yourselves and a bit lacking in life experience, educated, and angry.

    I’ll leave you boys to enjoy each others company…

  454. @447 The personal is political only if you are a Rethuglican. Otherwise mind your own business.

  455. Isn’t the “right to a woman’s privacy with her doctor” a sacrament in the Church of NARAL?

    I guess that only goes for knocked up hippie kids. Conservatives are fair game.

  456. The comment was in regards to the “dumbass” statement describing Obama. Try to keep up please. And no it doesn’t make them a great person to have a law degree.

    Actually, while Obama has native intelligence, when he departs from his prepared remarks and speaks extemporaneously, his numerous gaffes betray a tremendous ignorance about history and geopolitics that reflects poorly on his Ivy League education. Furthermore, while he’s a graduate of Harvard Law and he passed the Illinois bar exam, there is nothing to indicate that Obama is a good lawyer or legal scholar. He worked briefly doing pro bono civil rights work for the firm where he met Michelle, but he has virtually no track record in either litigation or legal scholarship.

  457. Comment by Rob Crawford on 9/1 @ 4:39 pm #

    God knows we shouldn’t respect the decisions of Sarah Palin and her family, right Kristi? Or their privacy.

    Coming from a person who was so deeply invested in dark assumptions pertaining to the Obama family’s church… you’re a little much, pal.

  458. Alaska will be succeeded by Alaska 2: Electric Boogaloo

    skipping ahead…. sifty, whoever you are, I love you. ;D

  459. I’m taking off since it is a bit of a false dichotomy circle jerk.

    Translation: “I got caught copying and pasting bullshit from another web site, and then was outed as a Eurotroll posing as an American”.

    Bye, “Kristy”!

  460. “I’ll leave you boys to enjoy each others company…”

    Thanks. Your lame arguments were getting boring anyway.

  461. By the way, since when is “debating” defined as “copying and pasting a post from stupidcelebrities.net”?

    I guess it’s a Euro thing. I wouldn’t understand.

  462. yeah thor, a doctors office visit from a 17 year old girl and a public church with books on tape is exactly the same thing, douche.

  463. I like a good TRUE dichotomy circle-jerk myownself, krusty.

  464. Kristy

    Did you adjust your jock looking for a couple of balls before you wrote that drivel?

    Good lord, the trolls are already boring with the same old fucking nonsense.

  465. Oh, dear Kristy you leave us too soon. I thought sure you would be able to show us how to have a “globally competitive middle class” without all that ugly infrastructure mess of crude oil, natural gas, nuclear power plants, coal fired steam generating electric plants and the like (railroads burning diesel, interstate highway systems full of trucks burning diesel, automobile transportation burning gasoline, ships burning jet fuel or diesel, barges pushed by tugboats, diesel powered combines and tractors on farms and oh! to our misery the list goes on and on…)

  466. Wait, now Thor is a teetotalling totalitarian?

  467. Maggie, I love you too!

    dad was in the Signal Corp after Nam up in Alaska, home of the Fetal Alcohol Syndrome (as thordoosh was so kind to point out). Listening to Commies running out of gas across the strait.

  468. SDferr. Obviously kristy has access to dilithium chrystals, which will revolutionize everything!

  469. Coming from a person who was so deeply invested in dark assumptions pertaining to the Obama family’s church… you’re a little much, pal.

    If the Palins have spent 20 years at a church that teaches racism, conspiracy theories, and hatred, I’ll be pissed and will never, ever vote for any ticket she’s on. Family doesn’t include the church you choose to attend, particularly when it’s so far beyond the pale as TUCC. Family doesn’t include the people you choose to associate with, when those people include admitted terrorists, Marxists, and others more interested in tearing down the US than in anything else.

    If I — or anyone here — have attacked Obama’s children, point it out. It will be condemned, with no hesitation.

  470. Coming from a person who was so deeply invested in dark assumptions pertaining to the Obama family’s church…

    Yeah, the fact that Obama called this minister his mentor, and had him on his campaign staff, and was featured prominently in his autobiography, had nothing to do with it.

    The two situations are virtually the same!

  471. It’s just that she was so commonsensical and all, I thought surely she would have the answers. And though I did cite Democrats as obstructionists vis our energy policy, that isn’t because they are Democrats but because they happen to be the current obstructionists of note in this regard. (Maybe they have the crystals too though.)

  472. I’m extremely busy today, so I cannot take the time to read the 444 comments before this one. My apologies in advance if this has been said a thousand times already:

    First – Stunningly good post. Jeff is on fire this weekend.

    Second – DKos is not a fringe website, but arguably the standard-bearer for Obama’s wing of the Democratic party. The fact that they have been engaging is these tactics is significant and relevant to assessing the nature of Obama’s movement. DKos is typically rife with hate and ant-semitism, but whenever the MSM do one of those stories for the uninitiated about how nasty is the blogosphere they invariably cite only conservative blog comments as examples. I think it is high time the MSM pulled the lid off the sewer and shined a light on Obama’s supporters.

    Third – Not just feminists, but especially feminists should be outraged at the way the Left (including Excitable Andy) has been going after a sixteen year old girl, and questioning the choices that Palin and her daughter have made regarding their own bodies. Get out of Palin’s vagina!

  473. Twisted Bob: Dim hungry but young Bristol’s belly full.

  474. for those who circulate the smears about Obama, Michelle, Obmas extended family, people who have been in the same room with Obama, people whose names starts with “O”

    Nice try at evading the very real concerns raised over the very real relationships the Obamas have with Tony Rezko, Jeremiah Wright, Rashid Khalidi and Bill Ayers.

  475. Bozoer Rebbe, we have a similar situation here in Texas, but the word’s different: What do UT grads call A&M grads?

    “Sir”.

    And y’know, there’s a teenyweeny disadvantage to dissing trailer trash if you want to win elections: there’s a lot of us. And we vote.

    Oh, yeah –

    I am talking about issues such as young college graduates in the US being saddled with student debt (or being prevented from pursuing higher education in the first place)

    That’s not even an issue, Kristy. We have plenty of college graduates, they get compensated fairly well (except in the case of fuzzy studies, Eng Lit and the like — what can an Eng Lit grad do to add value to the economy?) and their work tends to be sufficiently localized/unique that it doesn’t get outsourced. (“Tends to be” rather than “is”, note.)

    Trouble is, in most cases you show ‘em a shovel and they’ll call it an implement. We have a remarkable dearth of skilled tradespeople — electricians, plumbers, millwrights, welders, machine operators, and the like. Some of them can be replaced by robots, but only in the most deadminded production line jobs. There are no robots that can install and/or repair a 7,000 HP AC induction motor, and damned few people — but if it doesn’t get installed and maintained you freeze, because the natural gas doesn’t get there.

    The emphasis placed on college educations, and the social stigma sneeringly applied to those who don’t have one, over the last forty years is what’s driving jobs offshore. If welders and electricians are “trailer trash” of no social value then you don’t get welders and electricians, and the factories will go to where you can get welders and electricians because they have to have welders and electricians to function — and the engineering and management jobs follow, because there’s no point or value to management or engineering without a factory.

    Regards,
    Ric

  476. You left out Ali Abunimah.

  477. Liberals! Stay out of women’s vaginal business! (Lord knows you don’t know what the hell you are doing in there anyway)

  478. Ric, you deserve a cold one for that. Proof # 4,000,000,000 that we got the brains on our side of the fight.

  479. Comment by Ric Locke on 9/1 @ 5:01 pm #

    Bozoer Rebbe, we have a similar situation here in Texas, but the word’s different: What do UT grads call A&M grads?

    “Sir”.

    I’m an A&M grad and the UT grads in my family don’t call me “Sir,” butthole. Neither school needs your endorsement, most especially A&M.

  480. Kristy writes:

    No, when I referred to the US middle class needing to be globally competitive, in addition to personal responsibility (such as not having an out of wedlock teen pregnancy at age 17), I am talking about issues such as young college graduates in the US being saddled with student debt (or being prevented from pursuing higher education in the first place)

    Lie, lie, lie . . . I am so sick of hearing this lie. The U.S. has about one of the highest rates of people attending higher education in teh world. And, anyone who wants to go to college can go (even without decent grades or the ability to read/write english or do basic math). Indeed, the amount of scholarships, loans, grants, etc. is staggering.

    The problem is actually the reverse. We have glorified higher education to the point that we encourage everyone to go – even those not academically inclined, and demand that the gov’t pay for it with grants and/or loans. this creates a number of huge problems:

    1) It increases the cost of education by increasing demand and taking the direct cost away from the consumer and putting it on the taxpayer.

    2) it decreases the value of a college degree b/c the standards for most colleges have lowered dramatically, plus if everyone has a B.A., it is not worth very much

    3) it creates ridiculous requirements for basic jobs. A kindergarten teacher in many states requires a master’s degree now. Other jobs require degrees to be hired, where a college education is no even remotely necessary for the job. This means people have to go to school, incur debt, for a job that does not really pay for the degree.

    4) it creates unrealistic expectations in people. Everyone now thinks that they can become some kind of “professional” and have a prestiguous desk job making big money. This creates unhappiness and it keeps people from learning valuable skills that society needs – plumbing, carpentary, etc.

    5) We are teaching kids to live on credit. Since everyone now takes out some loans, and gets credit cards in college, we have a whole generation of kids coming out owing tens of thousands both in educational loans and in credit card debt. We are creating people who don’t know how to manage money.

    the idea that every individual is just an education away from being the next Einstein is idiotic. We need to get away from this belief both in higher education and in K-12.

    Kristy obviously knows nothing about education in america to write that anyone in america is dissuaded in any way, either financially or in some other way, from going college. Indeed, the opposite is factually accurate.

    Yet, I hear libs saying this kind of nonesense all the time and advocating for more free higher education. It is hard to believe these people are so clueless to the world around them.

  481. Yeah, QUIT STIGMATIZING ME!!!11!!

    -Heavy equipment operator(non-union)

  482. m an A&M grad and the UT grads in my family don’t call me “Sir,” butthole

    Then quit wearing dresses, Nancy

  483. We could start calling you Sir Butthole if you like…

  484. Yeah!

    Good luck eating your friggin’ leather bound books egghead.

    /Farmer

  485. Coming from a person who was so deeply invested in dark assumptions pertaining to the Obama family’s church… you’re a little much, pal.

    While a person’s choice of house of worship is a deeply personal choice, it is undeniably a very public act, and perhaps in most cases a public affirmation of affiliating with that congregation’s point of view.

    On the other hand, a pregnancy, something that can rarely be hidden in public, is by it’s nature essentially a private family affair. Certainly both major events in pregnancy, conception and delivery, do not generally take place in public.

    Those on the left have a clear double standard when it comes to the children of politicians. Children of Democrats are off limits, even if they are used as stage props. Hell, Chelsea Clinton is in her mid 20s and she’s still considered off limits for any criticism, even if she’s out stumping for her folks. But when the child is the child of a Republican, then lefties will ignore previously held positions just to be able to attack an opponent’s child. Gay rights? Forget about it when you’re trying to demean the Cheneys or Larry Craig. Single mothers? Not if grandma is a Republican. Women in the workplace? Mothers need to stay home with their children.

  486. Hey thor, are the UT grads in your family happy that they were not aborted and vacuumed into a sink?

    Just curious, since it seems like you are from a big family.

  487. I’m an A&M grad and the UT grads in my family don’t call me “Sir,”

    Nor does anyone else, I am guessing.

  488. thor is an A & M grad? Sounds like a UT grad, hence the confusion.

    Another A & M grad here. How did you survive there, thor??

  489. You’ll notice that he doesn’t bother to tell us what they do call him.

  490. Maybe he survived A&M like some survive prison, become someone’s bitch right away to stay safe. Just a theory. no proof to back that one up.

  491. Comment by lee on 9/1 @ 5:15 pm #

    m an A&M grad and the UT grads in my family don’t call me “Sir,” butthole

    Then quit wearing dresses, Nancy

    Looks like you posted that while changing tampons.

  492. Ok, thor, did you get a good look at the shark as you were jumping it?

  493. Comment by David R. Block on 9/1 @ 5:18 pm #

    thor is an A & M grad? Sounds like a UT grad, hence the confusion.

    Another A & M grad here. How did you survive there, thor??

    I’ll admit to sitting in the horseshoe, ha!

  494. I’m an A&M grad and the UT grads in my family don’t call me “Sir,” butthole.

    Of course they don’t. That’s because you’re a retard.

  495. #Comment by thor on 9/1 @ 5:10 pm #

    Comment by Ric Locke on 9/1 @ 5:01 pm #

    Bozoer Rebbe, we have a similar situation here in Texas, but the word’s different: What do UT grads call A&M grads?

    “Sir”.

    I’m an A&M grad and the UT grads in my family don’t call me “Sir,” butthole. Neither school needs your endorsement, most especially A&M.

    What a humorless piece of work you are.

  496. Comment by sifty on 9/1 @ 5:22 pm #

    Ok, thor, did you get a good look at the shark as you were jumping it?

    You’re deep. You should choke yourself in the shallow water before you get too…

  497. Looks like you posted that while changing tampons.

    thor’s next act will be telling us that the jerk store is missing some jerks.

    It’s also illustrative of the misogyny present on the left, regardless of their embrace of “women’s rights”. Tampon jokes? Sheesh.

  498. Comment by Rob Crawford on 9/1 @ 5:24 pm #

    I’m an A&M grad and the UT grads in my family don’t call me “Sir,” butthole.

    Of course they don’t. That’s because you’re a retard.

    Then even retards mock you, looks like. You Downs Syndrome, maybe?

  499. The really scary thing about the visitors we’ve had in this thread is, while different from thor in content, in terms of sheer coherency they are his equal.

    So either he really is one of them, or he is the Andy Kaufman of comment-troll spoofsters.

    I said spoofsters. Spoofsters. Get your minds out of the gutter.

  500. Looks like you posted that while changing tampons.

    Man, that is some heavy polychromatic folly, right there! Which French poet were you riffing on there?

  501. Then even retards mock you, looks like.

    No doubt they do. But, like you, they don’t do so effectively.

  502. Baudelaire, is there any other worth “riffing on?”

    Gig ‘em, Aggie!

  503. I’m pretty sure that “polychromatic” was a racist dig at Obama, by the way.

    At least, that’s my interpretation, and interpretation is KING, bitches!

  504. You’re deep. You should choke yourself in the shallow water before you get too…

    See the problem with the humor impaired is that they think they are funny but end up killing jokes, in this case using “should choke yourself”. Nobody chokes themselves in water, shallow or otherwise, they drown. Also, “should choke yourself” doesn’t fall easily off the tongue and is evocative of “go fuck yourself”, hardly the gold standard of comebacks. You’re like Biff in Back To The Future.

  505. Thor likes to break out the Edie Brickell lots, is all.

  506. “I’m an A&M grad”

    First my Aggies lose to Arkansas St, then thor admits this. Will this shitty weekend not end?

  507. “What I am is what I am are you what you are or what.”

  508. Baudelaire, is there any other worth “riffing on?”

    Yeah the ole days are gone forever and the new ones aint far behind, the laughter is fading away, echoes of a star of energy Vampires in the gone world going Wild! Drinking the blood of innocent people, Innocent lambs! The wretched of the Earth, my brothers of the flood, cities of the flesh – Milwaukee, Ann Arbor, Chicago, Bismarck, South Dakota, Duluth! Duluth – where Baudelaire lived & Goya cashed in his chips, where Joshua brought the house down!

  509. I also like to scream “Simone de Beauvoir!” in a halting highly enunciated staccato and I don’t know why, other than it drives Marxist literary theorists batty.

  510. Jeff said –

    So, as is so often the case, thor’s “argument” is a piece of vindictive misdirection.

    “So, as is so often the case, thor’s “argument” is actually just another example of vindictive serial misdirection.”

    Sorry I’m late. Fixed that for ya, Jeff.

    There’s a time and a place for a useful example, as per Jeff’s position on who stays and who goes, here on the old PW open range.

    And then there’s making a driver’s ed class sit through ten back – to – back showings of “Highway of Death”.

    I know what a decapitated corpse looks like. And I can recognize a mendouchess troll if the post starts with “commenter th….”

    Life’s too short, etc, etc.

    Carry on.

  511. Can we not return to talk of birthing locust swarms and three-headed rattle snake babies?

  512. Can we not return to talk of birthing locust swarms and three-headed rattle snake babies?

    After defending the Palins it would be inappropriate to comment on your family affairs.

  513. Sometimes it’s really a shame we have to share a planet with some of these people. Can’t we write them out a deed to one of the other planets and give it to them, on the condition they all move there immediately?

  514. For me Bristol Palin’s birthing of a fatherless baby has brought about what Bakhtin called “dialogization.” Her pregnancy offers a duality where “pregnancy,” the word, are competing between definitions of motherhood being definitively good and societal stigmatization toward adolescent motherhood. Cultural and sociological arguments of what age is too young (but she’s not too young!) and it being OK to be unwed and pregnant (if she’s unwed that’s OK, it her family’s business!) display a schizophrenic fragmentation of narrative authority subordinated to political leanings.

    External and internal oppressions or expressions?

    I turn to Jeff, is this not an example of Jorian Musgrave’s combinatorial principle of self when it’s defined according to needs and circumstances? Is her bulging belly not a multifaceted carapace?

    Theory! Back to interpreting this narrative!

    Bristol is trapped in pregnancy and is either oppressed by it and freed from a definition of self as

  515. One thing I’d like to know: is John Edwards the father?

  516. That last sentence should have been deleted, my bad.

  517. One thing I’d like to know: is John Edwards the father?

    He hasn’t denied it, so probably not.

  518. Nishi (297): “im subversive.”

    You’re illiterate. You think that middle America — y’know,”fly-over” country, is going to care if the sleaze merchants are official Obama flunkies or enthusiastic volunteer flunkies? The more this goes on, the weaker Obama will look — he can’t even handle his own people, etc.

    nishi (304): “if you know the dems will try to make this a social values election, why give them ammo?”

    For one, the Dems can’t make this a “social values” election, what with Ayers, Khalidi, Rezko, Wright, Biden’s plagarism, his five draft deferments, etc. A social values campaign would be a blunder, as a minimum.

  519. For me Bristol Palin’s birthing of a fatherless baby

    That’s a good trick.

    Have you told nishi about this, she would be very exited.

  520. Nishi needs to be exited, but Jeff lets her stay anyway.

    (Sorry, lee — couldn’t resist.)

  521. I wrote this for a HotAir article comment, but elsewhere they linked to Protein Wisdom and it’s exactly what I’m trying to make clear. If anyone is going to break the left’s monopoly of the idea they’re the reasonable ones, it’s going to come mainly from center and center-right people.

    “I’m a 9-11 center-right person who’s always been registered independent. It’s less that I left the center-left and more that the center-left turned hard-left into glorifying revolutionary Marxism and accepting Stalinism as sometimes (read always) necessary.

    Flipping cable channels I sometimes find the UHF-quality program where a fat old white man with bad vision and an ugly old suit mumbles passages from a bible he’s holding in trembling fingers. I see that and wonder if that’s A) What the Republican Party is in reality, or B) What the left insists the Republicans are to make them look bad.

    Republicans can’t let the left and the media make politics a comparison of a benevolent Democratic Party and a Republican Party as imagined by Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore. I’m not “The Base” and the base may not like some of my opinions, but I know how important they are, to me, in my effort to defeat the victim-culture, race-revenge and vengeful Marxism of Obama and his mentors.

    I hope the base acknowledges and appreciates that it takes more than themselves to win national elections. Us center-right people help prove the point that the right is not a monolith, and the stereotypical assumptions of who votes Republican today should not be tolerated.

    I’m not saying to re-brand as the “New Republican Party” and force the right and the center-right into group hug photo sessions, but if the diversity of the right side coalition is brought to light and championed it’ll go a long way into changing the narrative where the media just assumes that we’re all hypocritical puritan hicks.
    Stereotypes should be thrown back into peoples’ faces every time. When conservatives are asked leading questions assuming they’re all intolerant hypocrites, they should ask back if it’s fair to assume all liberals are serial-aborting, heroin-shooting welfare moms with eight illegitimate children. Or something like that yet more civil. Change the narrative!”

  522. Excited then.

    Thank you McGehee, there is a flaw in my spellcheck. Stupid thing thinks any old word will do as long as it’s spelled right.

    Context spellcheck! Context!

  523. Who is this sifty interloper?

  524. For me Bristol Palin’s birthing of a fatherless baby

    1) She hasn’t “birthed” anything.
    2) The baby has a father.

    Wrong from the beginning.

    Stopped reading there, thor, since (as basic predicate calculus informs us) a false premise can be used to imply anything whatsoever.

  525. A “going to get married” father is like a sort’a pregnant mother.

  526. Personal experience, right, thor? Not everyone is an amoral scumbag like you.

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  528. We dont elect Joesixpack to be president.
    ever.
    because we dont believe he is up to the job.
    im sure Church Lady is a nice person, and sort of a good mother, altho it was pretty cruel to throw Bristol to the media wolves in this fashion.
    But she is just Joesixpack in drag.
    the media will define her, because we know nothing about her.
    and the media is inimicably hostile to conservative xians.
    it is what is is.

  529. Emerson u shud read Reihan’s Grand New Party.

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  531. Jeff, you’re never going to get that boot out of thor’s ass. But then again the way his anus massages it so lovingly I’m guessing you don’t want it back.

  532. Emerson,

    We’re trying to change the narrative. Hopefully, this election, and more specifically the choice of Palin as VP with her flaws, will help us do so. The leftward bias media has been the problem, but they can’t ignore Palin, and the ham handed efforts by lefty noisemakers are actually helping us in the Republican big tent. Despite all the frothing from the far left, McCain is very centrist. Palin manages to be a member in good standing of all three major Republican bases: social conservative, fiscal conservative, and libertarian.

    The fortunate thing is that Palin’s problems are scandal-like enough to make the front page paper, and yet end up putting her in a bad light. All the left has on Bristol is that her pregnancy should hurt her image with the social conservative base (it won’t) and the scandal is harmful to Bristol (despite being the ones who conjured up this scandal in the first place. Regardless of whether Bristol made a mistake, everyone involved is doing the right thing now. Bristol is doing the right thing with regards to supporting the child: marrying the father. Sarah is doing the right thing with regards to the child: promising to support her daughter and her future grandchild despite the inconvenience. McCain has done the right thing by thing with regards to Sarah Palin: not disqualifying her for a job because she’s a new mother or because of Bristol’s pregnancy.

    We’re not evil. But more importantly, we can look at real world examples of how the right (centrist, social conservative, fiscal conservative, and libertarian) works in action, by using examples such as Mary Cheney and Bristol Palin, to prove we’re not evil.

  533. Sorry, that should read The fortunate thing is that Palin’s problems are scandal-like enough to make the front page paper, and yet not end up putting her in a bad light.

    It’s a shame that Sarah Palin won’t be Vice President, just Vice President-Elect, when Bristol gets married. Still, I suspect it will be a hell of a wedding.

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  535. Does anyone else think that Bristol and Trig are awesome names? Rock on!

  536. And nishi you definitely aren’t cute when you’re terrified. And by the way, if we don’t elect Joesixpack ever, how did he wind up getting his dick sucked in the Oval Office?

  537. “Kindness isn’t defined by kind you are to your friends, but, rather, how kind you are to you enemies.” unknown

    The repubs and r-wingers have done nothing but vomit their breakfasts onto the Obama family.

  538. Agreed, thor.

  539. Link to anyone “vomiting” on O!’s kids around here?

  540. Comment by cynn on 9/1 @ 7:23 pm #

    Does anyone else think that Bristol and Trig are awesome names? Rock on!

    The next time I adopt a kitten from the animal shelter Trig will be high on my list.

  541. Come on, cynn. You must have an example.

  542. That quote by unknown should be rolled up into a loose parchment scroll and jammed up your ass, thor. Then the whole mess should be sealed with rubber cement and an O! bumper sticker.

    I don’t much care about the “Obama family.” I don’t believe I’ve once mentioned his kids — and I’ve reacted only to Michelle’s speeches. Your whole pretend schtick — that everyone else’s racism is the cause of your (you’d like to think pointed, but not serious) misogynistic ugliness — isn’t fooling anyone.

    You luxuriate in it.

    But you ain’t Bakhtin, and this ain’t carnival.

  543. The repubs and r-wingers have done nothing but vomit their breakfasts onto the Obama family.

    Huh? Yes, Michelle Obama has been attacked. So has Todd Palin, and Cindy McCain, and Laura Bush, and Teresa Kerry… I don’t see Obama being treated any differently in that respect. In fact, Michelle Obama has been attacked for her campaign rhetoric and her scandals that directly relate to possible corruption by her husband. Because presidential / vice-presidential spouses have become involved in politics since at least Hillary Rodham Clinton and Tipper Gore, it’s now fair play. Children, especially minor children, have almost never been fair game. Claiming Obama’s family has been unfairly attacked (“vomit[ed] on” is the phrase you used) is ludicrous. No one is going after Obama’s daughters. I can’t wait for an appropriate description, from Thor and Cynn, for what the democrats, progressives and left wingers are doing to Palin’s family…

  544. Unless he allowed the exploitation of his children until he stopped it. This is old news and you guys will endlessly hehash it. What a non-starter.

  545. I sense a touch of grufftivity in your aire. I tried to ask, and seriously so, about the meta-narrative and those arguments in its wake that are subordinated to one’s political leanings. It’s interesting to me, that’s all. Twasn’t mere ludic combinatorics! (that’s a good one, eh)

    Caveat! Asterisk! Footnote! ****Jeff G never personally barfed all over the Obamas, except for Michelle, when he took her words, some believe, out of context, but said out-of is open to contextual interpretation.***

    Ribet. Whitey tape. Ribet. Not Jeff’s words. Ribet. Nonetheless. Ribet. Twas R-wingerey. Ribet. Swiftboaterish. Ribet.

  546. Are you, like thor, really claiming moral equivalence here cynn?

  547. altho it was pretty cruel to throw Bristol to the media wolves in this fashion.

    Yeah, those rumors that Trig was really Bristol’s wasn’t near as damaging as the truth.
    You really are a vile creature, nishi.

    But she is just Joesixpack in drag.

    Or Cheney in drag
    Or Bush in drag
    Something in drag, because you just can’t allow her to be a real woman, can you? Wouldn’t be prudent.

  548. Unless he allowed the exploitation of his children until he stopped it.

    What?

    So, in other words, you have NO examples of anything being “vomited” onto the Obama children? Neither literally NOR metaphorically?

    Thanks for playing.

  549. I’m wondering how long it’s going to be until our friends over on the left side of the fence begin to notice that no one is talking about Obama anymore.

  550. I think cynn has a gun too.

  551. #533
    Comment by cynn on 9/1 @ 7:23 pm #

    Does anyone else think that Bristol and Trig are awesome names? Rock on!

    Yeah. They’re kinda cool. Why? What did you name yours?
    How long has it been since you’ve had a cigarette?

  552. lee: No, ecce homo, leave it alone. Not appropriate or productive inquiry on either side. Leave it the fuck alone, and let policy pronouncements determine the outcome. However, I agree with thor that attacks on Obama’s family came early and often.

    The more pointed attacks on Sarah Palin are stupid and sickening. Enough said.

  553. I agree with thor that attacks on Obama’s family came early and often.

    Then it shouldn’t be hard to point some out, otherwise shut the fuck up with the bullshit accusations.

  554. Rusty: I haven’t even tried to quit. Between the Democrats being here, and my daughter loosing her IPhone (with a 2 year contract), and the fact that my boss next year promises to be an overweening pig, maybe an early death is a small good thing.

  555. “I also like to scream “Simone de Beauvoir!” in a halting highly enunciated staccato and I don’t know why…”

    Buggery on the high seas?

  556. However, I agree with thor that attacks on Obama’s family came early and often.

    But yet you haven’t been able to cite any such “attacks”.

    I agree that some people have said unkind things about Michelle, but, you know, she’s a Big Girl with a Harvard law degree.

    I haven’t seen any attacks on Obama’s children here. Lots of talk about how cute they are, but none of the nasty invective that’s been tossed at Obama’s daughter (most notably by the self-same thor with whom you are agreeing).

  557. Suppose I’m an executive at a big company, call it, oh, AmericaCo. I’ve been asked to head an internal search for someone to promote to a vacant executive position. The best candidate is a woman with a four month old child and a pregnant 17 year old daughter. Lefties, should I pass over her for promotion and take the next man on the list?

    …Didn’t think so.

  558. BMoe, I’m not a linker, but I recall a recent dustup regarging accusations that Obama wouldn’t allow his daughters to be featured in the press. Maybe someone more proficient can help me out here. If not, BMoe wins, and myriad babies live.

  559. “Palin’s daughter”, of course.

  560. Nishi: “We dont elect Joesixpack to be president. ever.”

    If ignorance is bliss, nishi, you must be one happy person…

    Truman was a habidasher. Oh, sorry — he sold hats. Andy Jackson wasn’t exactly high-falutin’ either. Lincoln — hell, Lincoln was a self-read lawyer and failed dry-goods shop-keep. Not exactly the cream of the gene-pool.

    On the other hand, JF Kennedy was an over-sexed frat-boy, exiled to the PT boats because he couldn’t keep his cod out of Norwegian reporter / Nazi spy, kept around as candidate insurance, what with Pappa Joe having swallowed the Nazi kool-aid, eugenics and all…

  561. I agree that some people have said unkind things about Michelle, but, you know, she’s a Big Girl with a Harvard law degree.

    …who has said some really stupid things on the campaign trail, and been rightly criticized for them.

  562. cynn: “I recall a recent dustup regarging accusations that Obama wouldn’t allow his daughters to be featured in the press. Maybe someone more proficient can help me out here.”

    The short version, iirc, was that Obama said he wasn’t going to exploit his daughters for the campaign, then gave one of the tabloid TV programs access for one of their birthdays or some such. A kerfluffle followed, with some tsk-ing, but was several orders of magnitude smaller that the shit-storm the political purveyors of tolerance puked up.

  563. Obama wouldn’t allow his daughters to be featured in the press

    That was a criticism of Obama, not his daughters.

    And even if it had been, it wouldn’t be in the same league as this shit that thor has been flinging in this very thread.

    Here, let me quote a bit for you:


    It takes a lot of courage to keep your feet in the air during the heaviest waves of coital fury. Bristol will need to drop out of high school and care for her hungry child. Food stamps, welfare and a lot of donated powdered baby formula from her church’s homeless pantry and that her baby might just make it through the night.

    Anyone here saying stuff like that about Obama’s kids? No.

    Jeezus, cynn.

  564. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/1 @ 8:10 pm #

    However, I agree with thor that attacks on Obama’s family came early and often.

    But yet you haven’t been able to cite any such “attacks”.

    And if a tree fell in the forest… Nobody cares to play with you, herr perceptivenozzle.

  565. thor: still waiting for that hummer.

  566. “It just happens to be her opinion that abortion is wrong”

    When it comes to the anti-choice / pro-life crowd, they do more than just happen to have opinions. They actually go out there and intrude upon these choices. I’ve heard it described as ‘decisional privacy’ and I think that is how the supreme court has described it.

    None of this, however, means that we should intrude on this young lady’s privacy. She’s 17, pregnant and in quite a bit of limelight. Even if she isn’t making choices on her own, there’s really no way for that to be found out. I guess mavericktude isn’t always going to deliver hilarious results.

  567. And if a tree fell in the forest… Nobody cares to play with you, herr perceptivenozzle.

    Once again, thor has nothing to say, and yet, won’t shut up. Lovely.

  568. There was also the thing where Obama said he was glad his daughters wouldn’t be punished with a baby because he was an abortion warrior.

    Again, Obamas kids were involved, but only because he involved them, and the conversation wasn’t about the kids, it was about 1) Obama using his kids to make a point, and 2)Obamas use of the word punishment to describe a pregnancy.

    No where were the kids the story.

  569. As a member of the First Church of the Full Tilt Boogey I object to your misuse of the term “Boogeyman”.

  570. Didn’t Obama fire thor and nishi hours ago? Although that part where nish effectively called O! a big fat liar was pretty sweet.

  571. At the risk of playing devil’s advocate, it’s true that Obama’s family was mentioned by his critics in the context of Rev. Wright and TUCC. That being said, none of the criticism focused on the Obama children themselves but rather the judgment of their parents in exposing them to the nonsense taught at TUCC.

  572. “If Sarah Palin thinks so highly of privacy and her family matters then why in the hell does she want to dictate to others regarding their decisions of “privacy” and “family matters” when it comes to pregnancy?”

    ARRRUUUGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!

    It is no a “private” matter for you to kill your baby, born or unborn. And speaking of “choice”, you make your choice when you have sex. If you can’t accept the consequences of a pregnancy, don’t do it. Learn to have willpower, and stop being so governed by your passions.

  573. Learn to mind your own business.

  574. Amen, Tom! No more sex for the sake of itself!

  575. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 9/1 @ 8:20 pm #

    thor: still waiting for that hummer.

    Maybe you ought’a follow Larry Craig into a bathroom, homo.

  576. SB&P, all you need to do is get into O! costume. thor will bring the gobblegobbleslurp post haste.

  577. It is no a “private” matter for you to kill your baby, born or unborn.

    I reserve the right to slaughter whomever I choose, provided I do it in the privacy of my own home.

  578. Call me old fashioned but you’d think these young kids would know enough to 69 themselves in the backseat until a desired happy ending and leave it at that. But no!

  579. thor, just giving you a chance to act out that giant man crush you have on me.

    Come on, sweetlips. You know you want to.

  580. “It is no a “private” matter for you to kill your baby, born or unborn.”

    the dude: Thats just like, your opinion, man.

  581. Tell that to Scott Peterson and Bobby Cutts, emmeotbd.

  582. “Call me old fashioned but you’d think these young kids would know enough to 69 themselves in the backseat until a desired happy ending and leave it at that. But no!”

    Maybe that could be a positive the result of all this. The rise of federal dollars for 69-only sex education.

  583. By all means, you moonbats group up and hump your little brains out. Anything to get you off the street corner and stop the panhandling.

    We just don’t think you should kill a baby every time you are too lazy and stupid to wear a rubber and take a pill.

  584. Did I ever tell you that one of my exes called me “the little wonb?” As opposed “the little woman.” He actually had to explain it. Convenient dead prick.

  585. I felt a tingle do up my leg. You didn’t, uh, unholster and empty a full clip into him, did you?

    Men say stupid things. It’s not our fault. And birthdays and anniversaries, not our fault. There’s scientific proof as to why men are pigs, yes, and, and, and.

  586. OOps, that’s “womb.” But you knew that, being so highly attuned to what really counts in this election.

  587. Wombs are where the fun begins. Is it true you can feel a kid fart in there?

  588. I have a one-year-old nephew. He and I went swimming for almost an hour yesterday. He looks just like me, so says everyone. Man, babies making funny faces are uber-cute.

  589. Well, sifty, I’ll make it a point not to kill random babies at frequent intervals.

    But birth control’s not OK according to your muftis. So what to do?

  590. Cynn, is this … thing bothering you?

  591. But birth control’s not OK according to your muftis. So what to do?

    I guess we will all just have to go fuck ourselves.

  592. the “hard-right conservative base” that liberal Democrats consistently invoke is largely a caricature that lives only in their minds and as a convenient trope in their rhetoric, from whence it can be trotted out as a foil and a boogeyman on cue

    Uh… because that’s not at all like the evil liberal boogeyman you’re invoking?

    Please tell me that you wrote this through a shit-eating grin, knowing full well that it’s absolute fucking horseshit, but that sympathizers to whatever dying causes you go on stubbornly supporting will voraciously eat it up. Because, I mean… I guess that would be OK. Otherwise, you’re just a fucking joke, and it’s long overdue that people started seeing assholes like yourself for what they are, petty, divisive hacks who are more concerned about the size of their audience and the stir they can cause than the not-quite-fascist ideas that they so heartily endorse in the name of moral righteousness. Just a bunch of scum, you are.

  593. Does the fact that thor has nothing of substance to say indicate that thor has nothing of substance to say? I mean, talk about chronically letting down the side.

    thor. Anti-proof by self.

  594. But birth control’s not OK according to your muftis.

    What “muftis” would those be, cynn?

    Certainly not Palin’s.

  595. Is this a caricature, Tony?

    …petty, divisive hacks who are more concerned about the size of their audience and the stir they can cause than the not-quite-fascist ideas that they so heartily endorse in the name of moral righteousness.

    Yeah, more like that, huh? I love irony.

  596. Otherwise, you’re just a fucking joke

    Perhaps. But not quite as funny as the spectacle of someone who jumps into a 600-post long thread without even bothering to read what’s gone before.

    Hint: your copy-paste screeching points have been expressed, and rebutted, at least a dozen times already.

    Snicker.

  597. 600?

  598. BMoe: Problem solved!@!

  599. http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2008/09/palin-daughters-babydaddy-some-dude-named-levi-reports-enqui.php

    Make that 2-0 for David Perel. Fresh off his success with the John Edwards story, sources tell Radar that an aggressive 36-hour push by Perel’s National Enquirer reporting team forced Alaska Governor and John McCain’s vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin to announce that her 17-year-old daughter Bristol is pregnant, an announcement which effectively puts an end to the Internet rumor that Palin had faked her own pregnancy to cover up her daughter’s. (Or does it? There are already conspiracy theories that this pregnancy is being faked to dispel the rumors that Trig, Palin’s 4-month-old, is really Bristol’s child. Kinda crazy, right?) Radar has also learned that the father of Bristol’s child, as well as her soon-to-be-husband, is a 17-year-old hockey player named Levi Johnston.

    Images from what appears to be Johnston’s sister’s MySpace page were suddenly made private today; you can see many of them here.

    The Enquirer has seemingly been on the pregnancy case all weekend, going so far as to ID Johnston and get comment from his parents. Rather than let the tabloid break the story, however, McCain’s campaign decided to force Palin into releasing the details.

    Palin’s admission comes as a watered-down RNC is set to kick off in St. Paul today. (George Bush, Dick Cheney, and California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger have all backed out of appearances on account of Hurricane Gustav.)

    UPDATE: The New York Daily News has more, as does the New York Post, which mentions this gem:

    On his MySpace page, Johnston boasts, “I’m a f – – -in’ redneck” who likes to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

    “But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some s- – – and just f – – -in’ chillin’ I guess.”

    “Ya f – – – with me I’ll kick [your] ass,” he added.

    He also claims to be “in a relationship,” but states, “I don’t want kids.”

  600. Uh… because that’s not at all like the evil liberal boogeyman you’re invoking?

    No, it isn’t.

    Read the post. Look for the qualifiers. Things like “many,” for instance. Or “liberal Democrats”. I mean, I’ve made the argument that much of what has been going on the last two days will upset enough ordinary Dems and Hillary supporters that Obama could be in a lot of trouble — an argument that would make no sense if I believed ALL Dems are as craven as the many many many many many I’ve linked to and quoted this weekend.

    But then, I suspect you don’t much care about any of that. You came here to express righteous indignation at having the ugly underbelly of your Party’s base exposed.

    That’s one way to handle things. Another would be to take it up with the people purporting to represent you.

  601. “I’m a f&*%$ing redneck!”

    This is the funniest story EVAH! I can’t stop! This is it. That quote is the alto solo that emblematizes the deconstruction of Alaska-moderninty’s foundational tropes!

    Lolling, I’m lolling, listing, I’m just… cynn, tell me this is funny. Cruel, but funny.

  602. Yeah. Those 17-year old hockey players are pretty much known for putting on their public sensitive face, thor. I hope the tabloids dig further. I bet he’s used the word “faggot” at some point, too. Maybe we can have him arrested, or at least publicly tarred as a homophobe. For being a teen-ager in Alaska with a myspace page and a hockey stick and some silly bravado.

    That these cretins are digging into the lives of teens that have nothing to do with the nomination — and that you seem to be glorying in it — is repulsive. Truly sickening.

    Really. You’re a lost cause to me. As are any of the other fucks digging into this and pretending they’re doing some service to the country. Don’t even address me anymore.

    You’re an elitist pig who likes to play at verbally slumming it. I read you wrong. There’s no there there.

  603. Fine, Jeff. I’ll hie myself hither so you aren’t bothered anymore. I liked this place, full of smarties and their frankfurter parties.

  604. I have no fucking idea what that means, cynn. And I don’t much care.

  605. Please. You don’t think I recognize that young man? I grew up in Texas.

    This story is everything I predicted and more. I was at a 16-17-year-old’s age group hockey tournament last night and today. They sort’a talk like that. But… not all.

    It is what it is. Don’t blame me for having a good time with it.

    Bottom line she’s a horrible appointment for a Veep because of her experience and social positions. My opinion.

  606. @ #608: Obsequious much?

    Not that I find it at all worthy of mention that this creature only deigns to show respect for the one person capable of banning him from the site.

  607. cynn he was talking to me. I like you cynn. Really, I do. Your chomp!

    Don’t hide, you’re my favorite, well, outside of Jeff, and Dan, and JHo has really been picking up his game lately, Alp is boss, but you’re still top 5!

  608. Reminds me of a song: (Hit it Barb.)

    Breeders,
    Breeders who breed Breeders
    Are the breedingest Breeders in the world
    Were children breeding other children
    And yet letting our grown-up pride
    Hide all the breed inside
    Breeding more like children than children
    Lovers
    Are very special Breeders
    Theyre the breedingest Breeders in the world
    With one breeder,
    One very special breeder
    A breeding deep in your soul
    Says you are half now youre whole
    No more hunger and thirst
    But first be a breeder who breeds Breeders
    Breeders, Breeders who breed Breeders
    Are the breedingest Breeders in the world.

    With one breeder
    One very special breeder
    A breeding deep in your soul
    Says you are half now youre whole
    No more hunger and thirst
    But first be a breeder who breeds Breeders
    Breeders, Breeders who breed Breeders
    Are the breedingest Breeders in the world.

  609. Your chomp = you chomp!

  610. Tony Harrison, here is a little project for you:
    Go to some popular blogs on both sides, what might be representative of the “base” of each side. Present polite arguments, don’t troll, but politely and rationally play Devils Advocate for each side. Tell me who breaks out the ban stick the quickest and most often. The truth of the matter is the right side has become the big tent side, with the most diverse opinions being accepted. The core of the left doesn’t tolerate dissent.

  611. Are you having a bad Labor Day, Jeff? If you haven’t gone into labor, you might want to head to Alaska, where everyone’s whelpin’!!

  612. I have a one-year-old nephew. He and I went swimming for almost an hour yesterday. He looks just like me, so says everyone.

    You know, thor, banging your sister will catch up to you like that.

  613. Bottom line she’s a horrible appointment for a Veep because of her experience and social positions.

    Her is experience is superior to Barack Obama’s and her daughter’s pregnancy has nothing to do with her politics. Do you have a point in there somewhere, zero boy?

  614. thor: “Please. You don’t think I recognize that young man? I grew up in Texas.”

    Using an broad definition of the word “grew up”…

    thor: “Bottom line she’s a horrible appointment for a Veep because of her experience and social positions. My opinion.”

    As opposed to a plagaristand a liar, a self-absorbed gaffe machine who has never held a real job? Has Joe returned Mr. Kinnock’s life story yet, or will he be needing it for this run at national office?

    Obama has less executive experience than Pallin, has a laundrylist of disreputable associates for which he has yet to face serious scrutiny.

    Thor, your a man-child with limited vision and even less intellectual honesty. Quit before you get too much further behind.

  615. *sigh*

    your = you’re.

  616. Pablo,

    A Cub Scout Den Mother has more executive experience than Senator Obama. It’s just not much of a standard.

  617. Very true, RTO. But for one such as this zero who proclaims The One to be The Second Coming, the experience knock is awfully pathetic. His standard, not mine. But such is par for the course with this one, etc…

  618. Here’s a story. That Den Mother has now impeccable qualifications for President on a Democratic ticket.

  619. cynn owns the freshest snark on PW. She’s the word-Queen of exoticism twice coded. She’s wearing the frondeur’s thousand-year pants!

  620. My parting shot: Boozer Rebel is an irredeemable asshole.

  621. Chill, thor. This isn’t Hollywood Squares anymore.

  622. My parting shot is usually Bourbon.

  623. I’d pick Jaye P. Morgan’s square most often, but you’d be top three at least.

  624. Children’s mistakes parents fault

    AKA, did the Obama camp vet Biden well enough? Turn about is fair enough, eh?

    What was that vetting process again?

  625. So am I to understand that the dems have some kind of moral authority to say something useful about the young mom-to-be? The party of “I did not have sex with that woman Monica Lewinsky?” The party that supported perjury by that same man? If these guys had the smallest bit of shame about them, they would walk away and say nothing at all. But they don’t. It is pitiful. Leave that girl alone and let her go about her business.

    Go Sarah!

  626. Re thor…

    You’re an elitist pig who likes to play at verbally slumming it. I read you wrong. There’s no there there.

    …Sweet Flying Spaghetti Monster, it took you long enough.

  627. “From whence,” is redundant. Bam!

  628. For a humorous take on Palin’s pregnancy pickle check out, http://beema.wordpress.com/2008/09/01/beema-news-september-1-2008/.

  629. On the idiomatic, “from whence”:

    [Q] From Marty Robinson: “Last week you quoted Sir Christopher Wren as referring to ‘The Ailes, from whence arise Bows or Flying Buttresses to the Walls of the Navis.’ I’m sorry to learn that Sir Christopher used the redundancy from whence.”

    [A] This is another of those grammatical shibboleths, like avoiding a plural verb with none or not splitting one’s infinitives, that are open to linguistic debate, to put it mildly. The argument against this form is that whence already includes the idea of coming from some place, so that including from makes it tautological.

    The debate is complicated by the fact that whence is not that common a word these days, being rather literary; I had trouble finding a modern example that wasn’t prefixed by from. This is from Newsday of 11 November 2004: “He is a legendary figure in his native England, whence I have just returned.” That’s a good example of the “proper” use.

    Objectors to from whence have support in logic, but logic doesn’t feature much in English constructions, especially idioms, which is how one perhaps should regard the phrase these days. One newspaper archive I consulted, hardly comprehensive, contained more than 250 cases of from whence just in 2004. It succeeds because it is informal and colloquial compared with whence used alone, a construction that is unusual enough to force readers to stop and work out the meaning.

    And even a brief look at historical sources shows that from whence has been common since the thirteenth century. It has been used by Shakespeare, Defoe (in the opening of Robinson Crusoe: “He got a good estate by merchandise, and leaving off his trade, lived afterwards at York; from whence he had married my mother”), Smollett, Dickens (in A Christmas Carol: “He began to think that the source and secret of this ghostly light might be in the adjoining room, from whence, on further tracing it, it seemed to shine”), Dryden, Gibbon, Twain (in Innocents Abroad: “He traveled all around, till at last he came to the place from whence he started”), and Trollope, and it appears 27 times in the King James Bible (including Psalm 121: “I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help”).

    Though Dr Johnson objected to it in his Dictionary of 1755, calling it “A vicious mode of speech” (he meant it was reprehensible, not depraved or savage), most objections to it are no earlier than the twentieth century. One reason may be that its critics are unaware of its long pedigree.

    Dr J always struck me as just a bit of a fascist when it came to things literary; besides, I’m more into Pynchon than Florence King.

  630. Apparently the Left has never heard of “abhor the sin, forgive the sinner.” Perhaps they expect Bristol Palin to show up to campaign events with a big red A on her chest.

    Now, I’d like everyone who made it through their teenage years without screwing up in some fashion to put up your hand. Not just pregnancy, but entanglements with the law, or bad accidents, or other close calls. OK, all you bloody hypocrites can put your hands down now.

  631. In my limited opinion, once you have truly pissed off Jeff G., you have gone way beyond the pale. One who is in that space should probably take stock in themselves.

    Not that I think it will happen, of course.

  632. crap, my sockpuppet stayed with me.

  633. *looong inhalation*….

    Ah… it’s stuff like this that keeps PW in my “favorites” folder.

    Outstanding.

  634. 632- So, you’re taking the side that’s against the logical use of the word? I’m going to go tattle on you to Retardo Montalban. . .

  635. And we all know Retardo is such an aficianado of the English language that he would assuredly give Jeff a severe spanking on the matter. Or, most likely, not.

  636. Maybe we should just execute the little girl and her unborn child.Get rid of the mess altogether.

  637. Stone them. It’s what we would do.

  638. I see that the left is more than a little worried about Palin. I think they should be.

  639. I believe they are just trying to trash her as quick as possible. She is new to the national level and anything that is said about her now may become the national media “Narrative” on her. So anything even remotely bad about her will be shoved on front pages.

    Cause you know the same thing happened with Joe Biden……..

  640. I had no idea there were so many people so deeply into English Grammar and Usages…

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  642. And science — by way of advancements that keep the fetus viable ever longer outside the womb — seems to be moving the debate in their direction.

    Let me know when science has figured out how to extract the fetus without touching the woman. Until then, it will be a violation of the woman’s rights to treat the fetus as a separate entity with its own rights.

  643. Science can’t kill it without touching the woman. And if science doesn’t touch the woman at all, if it refuses to do so, how are a woman’s rights violated? Or are they?

  644. Science can’t kill it without touching the woman.

    And shouldn’t without her permission.

    And if science doesn’t touch the woman at all, if it refuses to do so, how are a woman’s rights violated? Or are they?

    They are not, and neither are science’s, so long as it is an uncoerced choice. In other words, doctors also have the right to choose, and should be free to perform abortions or not, as their conscience dictates. Having the right to an abortion doesn’t mean having the right to force someone else to perform it (or pay for it).

  645. Having the right to an abortion

    No, you’re doing it wrong. It’s not simply the right to abortion, it’s the right to unlimited, unconditional</i, taxpayer-funded abortions. Anything outside of that is forced gestation.

    Which is plain wrong, I shouldn’t need to tell you.

  646. Right, Slart. NOW tells us that “Reproductive justice ensures that women are healthy, both physically and emotionally; that they can make decisions about their bodies and sexuality free from government interference; and that they have the economic resources to plan their own families.”

    And while women must be free from government interference, “A small but influential minority in the U.S. wants to deny basic reproductive care to women. Even the universal right to safe, legal contraception is under attack. With the support of more and more state legislatures, pharmacists are refusing to dispense prescriptions for emergency contra-ception and birth control pills, which places an undue burden on women exercising the right to practice family planning.”

    Or, services should be provided regardless of ability to pay and regardless of the desires of those who might provide such services.

    They want the government involved in all aspects of the issue, except for the one they don’t: the decision to abort.

  647. Slart:No, you’re doing it wrong.

    I’m doing it my way, which, in case it wasn’t obvious, isn’t the leftist way.

    Pablo: They want the government involved in all aspects of the issue, except for the one they don’t: the decision to abort.

    Which is terribly inconsistent of them. I sent them a memo, but I don’t think they got it.

  648. @640 “Stone them. It’s what we would do.”

    There seems to be a new method afoot, o my brother.

    Shoot to wound and bury alive.

  649. Because biology and evolution created a situation in which a living being gestates inside you does not mean you can, claiming “libertarian principles,” pretend that that living being is yours to murder.

    We base our government on natural law. Life is mentioned first in the list of things we supposedly value.

  650. #643

    Comment by mojo on 9/2 @ 8:17 am #

    I had no idea there were so many people so deeply into English Grammar and Usages…

    Not me. Nope. I could give a crap.

  651. thor excreted: Bottom line she’s a horrible appointment for a Veep because of her experience and social positions. My opinion.

    Indeed, it is her (ahem) social position (as governor of Alaska) (but no, not really, as a backwoods hick with a beehive who’s living in a doublewide, no, no, really, surely it must be so!) that’s disturbing the usual suspects.

    Hint: we don’t have a caste system in America. Once we gained our independence from Merrie Olde, we dispensed with the “Sirs” and “Lords.” We don’t have barons and counts and dukes and duchesses here. Any American born or naturalized can be elected to state or national office, become a millionaire, or go to college. There’s no House of Lords here, and the feudal system is long dead.

    Get over your professed elitism–it isn’t in the least an American trait.

  652. Because biology and evolution created a situation in which a living being gestates inside you does not mean you can, claiming “libertarian principles,” pretend that that living being is yours to murder.

    Calling it murder is begging the question (and playing to the gallery).

    Yes, the life is gestating within the woman, but what do your libertarian principles tell you about when it becomes an individual with the right to life? If it is just the fact that it is a living thing with the potential to become a human, then your position is essentially that of the pope. Minus the divine ensoulment, or not? Did you convert to Catholicism while I was away?

    We base our government on natural law. Life is mentioned first in the list of things we supposedly value.

    Life just plain and simple? Or does it have to be human life in order to have rights? And if it’s human life, then again, what basis are you using for determining when human life begins, what it entails, etc.

    Tell me again where you stood on Schiavo? Am I misremembering, or weren’t you in favor of letting the husband pull the plug? That could not be, though, since Schiavo was very definitely alive and very definitely human.

  653. It’s funny how the conservative base thinks a knocked-up 17 year old is ready to wrapped in the flag when an intern-happy 50 something President should be burned at the steak. What’s the difference, considering all were consenting adults (even if just barely so) at the time? Is this just pent up anger from wrinkled conservative puds who can’t get it up anymore?

  654. I don’t know, Ardsgaine. I would like to know your stance on animal testing, or hot-boxing veal calves, or animal cruelty. I’d like to get a guage on your stance on life other than human. For that matter, I’d like to know where you stand on the death penalty.

    It is possible to be morally consistant on life or choice. I’d like to see if you are.

  655. It’s mostly the rape, Bob. YMMV.

    And Ardsgaine? Schiavo’s wishes were respected.

  656. Bob Smith: “It’s funny how the conservative base thinks a knocked-up 17 year old is ready to wrapped in the flag when an intern-happy 50 something President should be burned at the steak. What’s the difference, considering all were consenting adults (even if just barely so) at the time? ”

    Apples and tomato cans, Bobby. To start with the obvious, scurrilous rumor and lying innuendo aside, the former was a pairing of peers, whilst the latter was a case that, save for Bubba’s political reliability, would have been filed under “sexual harassment” pretty much by definition. That you need the difference explained is troubling.

  657. Bob Smith,

    Given your stance on the equivalence of consent with legality, I hope you never sit on a jury considering a fraud case.

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