August 29, 2008

Palin pick already yielding rhetorical dividends?

See, this is why journos in the bag for Obama should await the royal talking points before opening their dullard yaps. CNN’s John Roberts: Palin Too Young and Inexperienced:

During the 9 a.m. EDT hour of “CNN Newsroom,” “American Morning” co-anchor John Roberts gave an analysis of Governor Sarah Palin during discussion of Senator John McCain’s vice presidential choice. Roberts focused on Palin’s lack of experience, saying that a prerequisite for the vice presidency should be the ability to step right into the office, especially because of McCain’s age. Roberts stated […] “she’s the youngest governor ever in Alaska’s history, and she’s the first woman. She’s only been in office for a couple of years now, which really raises the experience issue here.”

Leave aside for the moment the dissonance of pretending to worry about Palin’s “inexperience” should she be forced (by the death of a fossilized McCain) into the Presidency when you haven’t offered the same argument for a man with even less executive experience getting the job outright; that probably has to do with her being “the first woman” governor or something equally patriarchal.

But in making this argument — that a 72-year old candidate is almost certain to kick while in office — what you have further done is begun alienating aging boomers who will soon be McCain’s age, questioning their worth and viability, throwing into doubt their general competence.

— Which means Roberts has managed to 1) highlight the inexperience of the Dem candidate for president by going after the inexperience of the Republican candidate for vice president; 2) has managed to make an implied argument that the inexperience of a woman is somehow more dangerous than the inexperience of a man, or a man of (half) color; and 3) has managed to make an ageist argument that could, at some level, get aging Dem Boomers to believe that their party thinks of them as prop voters, necessary for victory, but after that, to be set afloat on an ice chunk and allowed to drift off serenely into the great political beyond.

Add to that the calculus that many Hillary supporters will be thinking, “that should have been Hillary!” and what we have here is a perfect storm of identity politics for the Dems to try to steer their shiny yacht through safely.

Of course, the wildcard here is that female Democrats who detest Obama’s shiny empty banality will be forced to bite the bullet for him just to prevent the GOP from getting elected the first female VP. But I’m not sure that’s enough to counteract moderates who may now swing heavily in favor of McCain.

At any rate, the lines of attack should prove instructive — and, for the Dem’s sake, let’s hope they’re a bit better thought out than those offered by CNN’s John Roberts. Who really should wait for the next “Obama Action Alert” before he decides to speak again publicly.

For the narrative consistency and all.

O!

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update: Wait, why can’t women have both a career and children? What, you want to see them barefoot and in the kitchen?

YES WE CAN!

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update 2: David Harsanyi calls Palin “the libertarian vp candidate.” Which might could just temper McCain’s progressivism — even if she has to bat her pretty li’l eyes to get his macho in check…

Posted by Jeff G. @ 10:56am
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  1. You have to admit that Sarah Palin is pretty hot (remember she was in the Ms. Alaska Pageant) and MUCH BETTER on the eyes than Joe Biden. Oh and wait until you see the bikini pics!!! NOT BAD for a mother of 5.

    http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=5055328

  2. Team Obama! has already brought out the “inexperienced” argument. I figure they’ll start calling her “honey” by Saturday night and the election will be all but over by around Monday.

  3. Whoa, Jeff – are you saying that perhaps the choice of Sarah Palin, beyond her conservative bona fides, could be a perfect trap laid out to trip up the identity politics hustlers of the Democratic party & their fellow travelers?

    Perhaps even that her presence – dare I bring up the phrase – is some sort of… “tar baby”???

    Oh, yes. Oh, yes I did. I went there.

  4. The identity politics of the past 30-40 years make an environment where the Left HAS to attack her as both a woman and inexperienced. That they seem to step into their messes and track it all over the floor is just a little bonus for those of us on the side watching.

    I’m starting to look forward to the fall semester’s writing class. Makes me wonder which book will be chosen. I’m halfway betting on “Audacity…” (it is Chicago, after all).

  5. CNN (sorry, no link) had someone on earlier basically saying “How can Palin raise her children if she’s VP?”

    See, only REPUBLICAN women can’t have a job and a family at the same time.

    Per Glenn Beck, PLEASE make that argument Dems. Please say that Palin won’t be a good VP because she should be with her children.

  6. …what we have here is a perfect storm of identity politics for the Dems to try to steer their shiny yacht through safely.

    And there it is, the Achilles Heel of all this blog has railed against. While it takes wit and guile to craft the message designed to mold the progressive mindset those most apt to fall under it’s thrall are, almost by definition, not particularly strong critical thinkers. Anytime these followers talk out of turn they risk tripping up on any number of shibboleths.

  7. Well, old people tend to watch Fox anyway, so I’m not sure if John Roberts is going to be able to swing them against Obama from his comfy CNN chair. Also, Obama’s intellectual career has been, I think, somewhat more impressive than hers. I know a lot of people here don’t think that because your justifiably-purged junior posters were in the habit of posting easily-refuted chain e-mail nonsense about Obama having not actually done his job at the Harvard Law Review, but, you know, not everyone gets their news from unsourced and nonsensical lists plucked from Hillary Clinton net forums, thank God.

  8. Not to mention, she’s (I believe) a nursing mom. How can they not bring this up?

  9. Quick, by most anyone’s scale of Greatest Presidents how many were also know as intellectuals?

  10. Barrett is onto something. Has Palin pushed any books about herself? I think not.

  11. The irony, it is rich. Like creme brulee cheesecake.

  12. “Obama’s intellectual career.”

    I think I just shot cola out my nose.

  13. “Quick, by most anyone’s scale of Greatest Presidents how many were also know as intellectuals?”

    Jefferson and Lincoln for starters.

  14. Teddy Roosevelt comes to mind, but he also busted ass to come off as macho as possible.

  15. Shut up, you racists.

  16. “I think I just shot cola out my nose.”

    Good point. I guess he isn’t actually praised by pretty much every University of Chicago conservative that’s ever worked with him. Thanks for, uh, that.

  17. John Roberts is but his own metaphor, Barrett. And only old people who know they’re old watch FOX. The rest have earrings and try to keep up with the latest trends.

    And watch CNN.

    And must now be thinking, “you know, maybe I really should lose the ponytail and forgo the Stairmaster. It ain’t like I’m fooling anybody, anyway.”

  18. It’s because she’s too busy fixing shit in Alaska and having children, Carin. If only she’d planned and set goals and thought about her future, she’d have just as many books (with, if the pics from the link in #1 are any indication, better covers) about herself and her qualifications.

  19. Is there any actual evidence of Baracky being an intellectual? His resume is really no better than algore, Kerry, GWB, etc …

  20. At any rate, I’d say that the McCain campaign would finally have to shut up about Obama being a “celebrity,” seeing as how she’s a former beauty queen, but then again, they have the balls to attack Obama on that while working for a presidential candidate who’s appeared in two popular movies and guested on SNL more than most working actors, so I guess they’ll probably just step up that line of attack out of sheer disingenuous habit.

  21. Palin could be described as TR-esque. She hunts, she makes her own moose-burgers. Her husband is a champion snow-mobile racer. She’s raised both a soldier and cared for a disabled child. She was runner up for Miss Alaska in 1984.

    She flies her own float plane!!

  22. Two years as governor of a STATE trumps any time at all in the Senate, yo. Raising five kids gets you some pretty good multitasking skills, not to mention experience with handling tantrums and hijinks.

    I think she’ll be fine. We can put Mitt in the cabinet where he can run the economy by getting the government out of it.

  23. I like how Barrett is going to compare the intellectual careers of the Dem presidential pick and the Repub VP pick. I also enjoy the qualifier of intellectual career, as opposed to, you know, an actual career, what with him being a Community Organizer and all. Or maybe Barrett can give us his legislative record in the Illinois state senate, or his legislative record from his 2 years in the US senate. Go on Barrett, lay it down.

  24. Lincoln was consider an intellectual of his day? A great mind, yes, a skilled politician, by all means. Lincoln was a doer of deeds, not an intellectual.

  25. Ok then, Barret, link me to something Obama has written that’s “intellectual”. See, I’m in science, and when I hear “intellectual career”, I want the CV publications list.

    What has Obama written other than about himself? Also, how is that community he “organized” all those years?

  26. I’d like to take a moment to rebut Mr. Barrett Brown regarding Mr. McCain, but I’m too busy dipping my balls in the awesomely awesomeness of Sarah Palin as the VP…

  27. That Woodrow Wilson was a scholar.

  28. She has no experience. Alaska’s population is less than some cities. But like Bush, who only held the ceremonial post of Texas governor before he was nominated, experience matters little when you’re playing a symbolist games of charades. A famous last name or a sexual identity works just as well as any actual life achievement within the loyal hordes in the two-party Kool-Aide crowds.

    McCain’s employed the Darwinian progression symbol of “look how far we’ve come!” Like going from Cervantes to degree-zero writing of Barthes, the Repubs are so today, mange, so with it and edgy and tragically hip, so deliberately paradoxical and self-contradictory at the same time!

    The yoke has just been splattered farther and wider than before. Palin’s resume is so minimalist that it’s marketable. She’s Momma-say-knock-you-out hip, daddy-o, a real happenstance kitten, ya groovin’ Repub cats!

  29. Yep, when you think of pointy-headed POTUS, Wilson is the picture in your mind.

  30. Lincoln was seen as a rube. History much, Barrett?

  31. As I commented at the time, when the LAT introduced DC Dinosaur Joe Biden in their Page One Sunday edition headline they labelled him a “Regular Guy” and spun like tops to make the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee look like Joe Sixpack, because that’s what the Hope And Change campaign needed.

    I’ll report tomorrow on the headline they use to introduce Sarah Palin, but I’m predicting that it will include some subtle slap at the GOP or that it will in some way seek to undercut McCain’s message.

    I think Palin, like Obama, is in over her head at the moment. She could have used more seasoning at the state level before jumping into national politics, but hopefully if the ticket is elected McCain won’t kick the proverbial bucket until she gets up to speed.

    From a tactical standpoint the pick was pure genius. The McCain campaign has been portrayed negatively by almost everyone throughout the election season, but in the last few months they seem to really be outmaneuvering the Obama/MSM campaign.

  32. She has no experience.

    She has vastly more experience than O!

  33. ceremonial post of Texas governor

    It’s arguments like that that just make me smile and smile and smile.

  34. Hey, thor! How about that wager? Let’s see your money where your big, fat mouth is.

  35. Anyone figure out what thor is saying?

  36. “…not to mention experience with handling tantrums and hijinks.”

    A skill that will come in handy when presiding over the Senate.

    Though she may be shocked by what she finds – your average toddler has more self-control than your average senator.

  37. The chief executive of the third largest state is ceremonial? Who knew. Seriously, Thor, while Sarah’s got a fairly thin resume, it still beats the heck out of Obama’s.

  38. John Lott was at U of Chicago at the same time as Obama and said that he called him “the gun guy” and wouldn’t even deign to speak to him because they simply disagreed. “Intellectual career” according to your terms means? Accepted to tough schools? By that measure GWB is the equal of Barack. I’m sure Obama got a lot of high numbers written in red inside his essay test blue books. And of course doing well in the halls of Ivy League academe ALWAYS translates into brilliant success in the real world, right?
    I’d like someone to ask Obama what were the last three compelling books that he’s read on public policy, history, diplomacy, and/or economics and have him explain what he found enlightening about them. You know since his “intellect career” is such the measure of the man.

  39. Obama is not an intellectual. Intellectuals think through things and have some notion of cause and effect.

    Obama is a bright guy in some respects, but he doesn’t seem to have a core set of values that drives him; rather, he fell in with the “cool people” and has drifted along in that current, imitating the speech patterns, accepting the patronage of questionable characters that seemed to have a purpose in life, and mostly doing what was necessary to get along.

    Anyone who can say on day, “I can no more disown than I can my typical White grandmother,” and then less than a month later do just that, is not someone who knows what he stands for.

    Furthermore, he doesn’t seem to be aware that he lacks convictions, probably because of his strong narcissistic tendencies that drive him to seek glory and acclaim, mistaking that for greatness. In that way, he’s like Bill Clinton, who also mistakes popularity for greatness.

  40. So let me make sure I’ve got this straight:

    Obama’s experience vs. McCain’s experience = not important
    Palins’ experience vs. anyone else on the respective tickets = very important.

    Have I got that right?

  41. “Anyone figure out what thor is saying?”

    I’m wondering why anyone’s bothering to read him.

  42. Jefferson and Lincoln for starters.

    Yeah, it’s a good thing McCain isn’t running against Jefferson or Lincoln.

  43. “Anyone figure out what thor is saying?”

    Who gives a flying fuck what that witless pseudo-intellectual pimple on an asshole says about anything?

  44. Oh, and wasn’t it Schlesinger who described Wilson as the last true racist President?

  45. Writing about yourself makes you an intellectual. Seriously google it.

  46. I guess he isn’t actually praised by pretty much every University of Chicago conservative that’s ever worked with him.

    You wouldn’t mind linking that, would you? I mean, not the Cass Sunstein article that makes that claim. But an actual conservative heaping praise upon him.

  47. To answer your question, Jeff. I believe that Woodrow Wilson was the only POTUS with a Ph.D (in History)

  48. I really get a kick out of your mewling, thor.

  49. Cass Sunstein is a University of Chicago conservative.

  50. Erratum:

    “Anyone who can say on one day, ‘I can no more disown [insert mentor here] than I can my typical White grandmother,’ and then less than a month later do just that, is not someone who knows what he stands for.”

    Forgot that all angle brackets get interpreted as tags.

  51. “Ok then, Barret, link me to something Obama has written that’s “intellectual”.”

    I’ve already played that game with you guys a couple of times; last time, I had to actually call the Harvard Legal Review to verify that Dan Collins was full of shit. Did he take down the offending post, which had thus been refuted? No. He did not. Why would he? After all, Obama is the enemy.

    If you didn’t see that major dustup over Obama’s interesting HLR article on the rights of fetuses a week ago, then you’re obviously not paying close enough attention. Go Google it; suffice to say, whether one agrees with it or not, it constitutes an intellectual work, and, again, the conservatives at U of Chicago disagree with your assessment, and they’re hardly communist CNN reporters.

  52. Just for the record, as a function of his current age, McCain’s life expectancy is 12.01 yrs, his death probability is 0.032978. See SSA Actuarial Life Table.

  53. Woodrow Wilson was our first fascist president. Read the book.

  54. Writing one – unsigned – article renders one an intellectual?

  55. To return to the original point of the post, Thor helps show that the Democrats, by stressing identity politics for so long, are now hoist on their own retard.

    Palin can be attacked on lack of experience, but that only highlights Obama’s lack.

    Palin can be attacked on youth. Same problem. And it pisses of the oldsters.

    Palin can be attacked on gender. But that pisses off the PUMAs.

  56. female Democrats who loathe Obama will be forced to bite the bullet for him

    Not anymore. Smart bet: Hillary2008 Democrats and Party ballot-biters are no longer heavily overlapping groups.

    As, post-Clinon (the penisy one), identity-as-Democrat has hardened into a class identity, evinced again today by the Obama’s reflexive derision of Palin as a small-town girl in an uptown world, it’s become an identity Hillary supporters, a plurality being small-town girls recently shaken from being told to shut their whore votes while men are kingmaking, no longer share.

    The Palin pick has, via quasi-Marxist karate he can’t have taken into account, given McCain a slight identity-vote advantage — not in raw numbers, probably, but vs. all previous elections.

    ROVE!

  57. After all, Obama is the enemy.

    By himself, Obama is probably a harmless individual with aspirations of grandiosity but otherwise OK. I’d have no problem living next door to him. Michelle, well, another story.

    Obama is the opponent who, with a cooperative congress, will enact junk that I don’t like, all of which will be next to impossible to dismantle in the future.

    Let’s just be clear what the deal is. It ain’t personal. It’s political.

  58. Yep that one six page article is a veritable treasure trove of intellectual output.

  59. Yes, she arranged the successful bake sale that paid the rent on the high school tubas.

    She’s it, man. Such experience with recipes and hyperrealist egg beaters in her mad kitchen pantry, her’s is a symbiotic relationship of certain culture within culture. She’s a dissipative monument from a chaotic environment where bears eating dogs is the transparent native art, where the anti-postmodern is the postmodern.

    It’s naive illusionism of moral conventions as Palin is the polyseme of sun baked bear turds and political ambition. Annie Oakley, boys, she’s it.

  60. “Lincoln was seen as a rube. History much, Barrett?”

    By the majority of people who were themselves rubes, yes. Not by most of his cabinet after about two or three years. Even Seward respected him after seeing him in action for long enough (zomg, Seward, Alaska, Palin! Small world!)

    And, yes, I do “history much.” Did you forget about Jefferson? He was seen as an intellectual. Also, as an evil atheist who would destroy the country. Remember the original question? “Quick, by most anyone’s scale of Greatest Presidents how many were also know as intellectuals?” I mentioned Jefferson. There’s also Adams and Madison and plenty else besides. I like how even when I win, I lose. But that’s just the charm of the Protein Wisdom comment board, innit?

  61. #

    Comment by XBradTC on 8/29 @ 11:42 am #

    To return to the original point of the post, Thor helps show that the Democrats, by stressing identity politics for so long, are now hoist on their own retard.

    Palin can be attacked on lack of experience, but that only highlights Obama’s lack.

    Palin can be attacked on youth. Same problem. And it pisses of the oldsters.

    Palin can be attacked on gender. But that pisses off the PUMAs.

    See, Brad, I’d like to agree with you and Jeff, but it’s never worked that way. Where are the PUMAs going to go? They’ll go back to the Dem party like a dog to its own vomit. There is literally nothing the Dems can do to them that will get them to defect. Witness Bill Clinton circa 1997 – 98.

  62. Wilson could fairly be described as an intellectual. But that didn’t make him a good president (nor did it make him a bad one).

    I’ll grant you that Obama is a smart guy. But as has been noted, he seems to lack any grounding, a rock upon which to build.

    He’s never been in a position where he had to take a stand and defend it. He’s been able to coast almost all his career. Having the media in the tank for him hasn’t helped him either, since it shielded him from having to face any criticism. That can’t last forever. How he will react in that crucible is an unknown, but from the way his campaign have reacted to critics (say, Stanley Kurtz?), I’m not impressed by his judgment.

  63. So, thor doesn’t so much luv O! so much as he hates the wimmenz.

    Much clearer now.

  64. So Barret has offered three Founding Fathers and missed with one country esquire.

    Anyone intellectual by post Civil War standards?

  65. “Yep that one six page article is a veritable treasure trove of intellectual output.”

    Yes, an intellectual document must necessarily be of greater length than six pages. Also, that’s, like, the only thing Obama did. Can you people not just go and read about what Obama did at U of Chicago, and how much of it he did? Or is that sort of thing not, like, your cup of tea?

  66. #57 Dicentra – Obama is the opponent who, with a cooperative congress, will enact junk that I don’t like, all of which will be next to impossible to dismantle in the future.

    Let’s just be clear what the deal is. It ain’t personal. It’s political.

    Very well said. I wouldn’t mind having Obama as the figurehead leader of the US, but the team that will scurry into the Executive branch under his royal train is downright scary. Add to that a Democrat-controlled Congress and a press that might as well be their house organ, and it adds up to trouble.

  67. Okay, so outside my office the company’s controller, finance office and a contractor are having this very discussion:

    “We’d be more experienced than she is.”
    “She’s a soccer mom with 5 kids.”

    Let the games begin!

  68. Sears Poncho,

    McCain Palin doesn’t have to get all of them. If they get 5% of them, that’s the election.

  69. Sully just showed up in the Pub to claim credit for a run of driveby trolls on Dan’s Only in America. Heh.

  70. Somewhere up there Ronald Reagan is mumbling expletives.

  71. Two of those three are women, btw.

  72. “Anyone intellectual by post Civil War standards?”

    My, how those goal posts run! Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. I suppose he doesn’t count because he’s slightly more economically socialist than the economic socialists of the sort that the GOP routinely run.

  73. Barrett, Clinton was brilliant, but he wasn’t an intellectual. I think part of the problem here is that we are thinking of policy wonks with books out addressing issues, and you guys are thinking of folks with degrees.

    Again, no one said Obama couldn’t read or write. Just that he has not built a body of intellectual work. If any other Chicago professors had such thin published works, they’d be looking for a job at Slippery Rock State Teachers College.

  74. O!‘s an intellectual, huh? I doubt he would have even made it into Princeton orm Harvard without AA. The only thing this cat has going for him is…melanin. (See what I did there? I made it darker.) If he were another whitey, Hillary would be comfortably up 10-12 points over McCain right now. Eat shit and die, thor.

    Yes, I said it. Prove me wrong.

  75. She’s a wet nurse with ten teats! Disjunction, simultaneity, self-reflexiveness, medium-as-message, a political Olympian of her hand-carved kitchenette.

    She’s every woman to me!

  76. Barret,

    The only goalposts are the ones you tried to erect by claiming that Obama is more intellectual than Palin. I’ve merely asked for examples in order to flesh out your concept of intellectual viz a viz the Presidency.

    And so far all you have offered is 18th century landed gentry. Or were you directly equivocating Obama with likes of Jefferson and Adams?

  77. I can’t decide if post #40 or the first line of post #55 win the thread. Anyone?

    And thor’s panicking, what with all the classist, urbanite snark. Because what may be a Cabelas shopper just edged closer to DC, thus displacing a messiah and his sexist hairplugged plagarist. Oh the horror.

    This isn’t a bad day so far.

  78. By the majority of people who were themselves rubes, yes. Not by most of his cabinet after about two or three years.

    Oh, by his cabinet, Barrett? Well, then. I guess that settles it.

  79. “If you can keep your head while all those around you are losing theirs, you probably don’t understand the situation.”

  80. I like how even when I win, I lose.

    That’s what being a loser is all about, boy.

  81. She’s too human for you, man. She a song.

  82. And in a single drunken screed, Thor has shown his regard for career women. And she still has more experience than Obama.

    Oh this will be a fun election season!

  83. JHoward, I’d go with #55, but then, unlike MSNBC, I’m biased.

  84. Yes, she arranged the successful bake sale that paid the rent on the high school tubas.

    She’s it, man. Such experience with recipes and hyperrealist egg beaters in her mad kitchen pantry, her’s is a symbiotic relationship of certain culture within culture. She’s a dissipative monument from a chaotic environment where bears eating dogs is the transparent native art, where the anti-postmodern is the postmodern.

    It’s naive illusionism of moral conventions as Palin is the polyseme of sun baked bear turds and political ambition. Annie Oakley, boys, she’s it.

    Funny how this comes from a guy who for months has been trying to get us to admit that Obama just has it — you know, style, appeal, presence. But now we know the catch: it has to be a particular kind of such things. Has to have that burnished wood salon feel to it. Not hillbilly. Black Power chic. We Shall Overcomeness supercedes We’ve Come A Long Way Babyness — particularly if the women isn’t, say, Gertrude Stein.

    Well, now Obama gets to put his dorky bowling video next to some brainy bikini shots, and let the superficial cretins pick their poison. Thor has made his choice well known, and in so doing has, for all the fancy language, shown himself an intellectual social climber with a prefigured chart for what garners the most social cachet, on the cocktail circuit.

    O!(fuck…!)

  85. “Oh, by his cabinet, Barrett?”

    Yes, Pablo. The cabinet that hated him at first. As in, a bunch of people who had no reason to prop up his reputation, being in large disagreement with his policies. History much?

    “The only goalposts are the ones you tried to erect by claiming that Obama is more intellectual than Palin. I’ve merely asked for examples in order to flesh out your concept of intellectual viz a viz the Presidency.

    And so far all you have offered is 18th century landed gentry.”

    Really? Clinton was a member of the 18th century landed gentry? Wow. And someone else mentioned Wilson. Was he, too, a member of the 18th century landed gentry?

    Those goal posts have your fingerprints all over them, sir. You should start wearing gloves.

  86. “That’s what being a loser is all about, boy.”

    Very substantive, boy. Truly, you are a winner!

  87. Question, thor. Which do you value more, Biden’s VAWA or Palin’s being female?

    Take your time.

  88. Best Primar- er Election EVAR!

  89. I love your blog, Mr. Goldstein.

  90. on the cocktail circuit.

    In Key West.

  91. I go there so you don’t have to. Comment at huffpo:
    This woman has a 5 month old Downs Syndrome child and 4 additional children and she is to become a heartbeat away from the presidency, selected by the party of family first – morals and values.

    What now happens to the children, the teacher parent conferences, sick days – where is the foreign experience in these ‘dangerous times’ that McCain has attempted to sell the public as the reason Obama is ‘not ready.’

    This SELECTION is INSULTING to ALL WOMEN, who have careers and children! Her children are TOO YOUNG for this BS, and then she has a SICK CHILD and her career is MORE IMPORTANT!

    SHAME, SHAME, SHAME on the supposed MORAL RIGHT for this selection!

    Expect to see more of the same. Jeff, you’d better tell your wife to get her pretty-self home. She’s disappointing the feminists.

  92. She’s Condi without the education or the put-on airs of gravitas. She’s your neighbor’s Mom that you secretly wanted to bed. She car pools the kids with an orderly eye, yet you’d bang her tail lights out if you could.

    Oh Sarah, my Sarah, you would bark like a hungry sled dog!

  93. The fact that you offered both Lincoln and Clinton as intellectuals says more than I ever could.

  94. Question, Carin. Which does HuffPo value more, Biden’s VAWA or Palin’s being female?

  95. Comment by thor on 8/29 @ 11:46 am #

    Gee, nothing like a liberal sexism in the morning, that and a wad of sour grapes.

  96. “The fact that you offered both Lincoln and Clinton as intellectuals says more than I ever could.”

    True, but not in the manner you intended.

  97. you’d bang her tail lights out

    Then I take it you concede, thor. Wise choice.

  98. Or Clinton as a Great President, no less.

  99. Comment by Carin on 8/29 @ 12:05 pm #

    So wait a second, after years of telling everyone that women should have children and be a part of the workforce with only a couple months paid leave and government mandated childcare at work, they are now saying it is teh evil right wing that makes women leave their children alone to join the workforce????????????????????????????? You can not be f@cking serious.

  100. This really makes my day.

    Do I think Palin is the best possible pick for veep? No idea. Do I think she’ll distinguish herself as a veep? No idea. Is she qualified? If Barry is–and all the lecturing from the proggs assures me he is–then she’s more than qualified.

    No, what makes my day is the leftist cretins wetting themselves and turning themselves into knots because of the Indentity Politics they’ve bred into their political DNA. Absolutely delicious. All they got now is ad hom and…lookey here, who’s leading the charge? O!‘s sperm receptacle, thor.

    Again, Maverick you magnificent bastard!

  101. Huffpo mentions Palin’s scandal w/o going into details. Of course, the details are that she got her BIL fired because he was beating up her sister.

    I suppose those details make them uncomfortable over at HuffPo. No, better to just whisper the words “scandal” and hope no one looks into the matter.

  102. So far the best example of great and intellectual has been Wilson, and yet you somehow missed that one, didn’t you?

  103. “Or Clinton as a Great President, no less.”

    Your very own question concerned “most anyone’s scale of Greatest Presidents.” Most Americans tend to rank Clinton as a great president on those polls, as I recall. I mean, Christ, man. We’re playing on your court here.

  104. Can I play the intellectual president game? Garfield could write latin with one hand and greek with another simultaneously. Kinda puts a damper on that kind of parlor trick when you get shot, though.

  105. “So far the best example of great and intellectual has been Wilson, and yet you somehow missed that one, didn’t you?”

    Um… no? I didn’t miss him at all. I also don’t consider him to be great. I actually consider him to be among the worst presidents we have ever had.

  106. Don’t give yourself a hernia shifting those goalposts, Barrett.

    Palin has more executive experience than Obama (also more than McCain and Biden). Fact.

    Palin may or may not be an “intellectual”, but that’s utterly irrelevant. She’s not running against Jefferson, Wilson, or even Clinton. She’s running against Biden. And I really, really don’t think you want to bring academic histories into that debate.

  107. Carin, “Palin too hard on wife beaters” is one hell of a campaign slogan. I think HuffPo should run with it.

  108. “Palin has more executive experience than Obama (also more than McCain and Biden). Fact.”

    Okay. So did Bush Jr. (sort of; the Texas governorship is unusually weak, but still somewhat important).

    “Palin may or may not be an “intellectual”, but that’s utterly irrelevant.”

    Okay, tell your friends that. I haven’t said anything about her not being an intellectual. I was arguing against those who say that Obama isn’t, and have pointed out that this is the opinion of plenty of conservatives who have had him edit their works at U of Chicago.

  109. I actually consider him to be among the worst presidents we have ever had.

    On that we agree, however the ‘experts’ disagree with us mightily. Wilson routinely ranks in the top 10.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_United_States_Presidents

  110. Barrett, that was mean how you disparaged Karl and Dan. They put a LOT of work into what they did and they complemented each other really well and I miss them so you should say you’re sorry.

  111. And also Darleen. Which, that’s a lot sexist I think. You can’t have meant that how it sounded.

  112. So it is ok to say he is only picking her because she is a woman but not ok to say people are picking O! because of his race? Cool got it.

  113. Okay, tell your friends that.

    Tell your friends that Biden is one.

    At least (as far as we know) Palin did her own work while she was in college.

  114. Barrett, the worst would be James Earl Give-Away-the-Store, of course.

    McCain has completely trumped Obama’s ace, and for a Canadian retard like Roberts to talk about inexperience with Obama’s teensie-weensie resume, only a Canuck can be that stupid!!!

  115. Feministe gets credit for being sane.

  116. Roberts must be an eastern Canadian.

  117. Most Americans tend to rank Clinton as a great president on those polls, as I recall.

    Cite? Wait, don’t bother. It really doesn’t matter one way or another. Me, I’ll just continue to think of Bill as about as deep as an Americon Idol contestant but with less integrity.

  118. Yup. Ontario.

  119. I know a bunch of Canadians. You take that back. American leftists are waaaay dumber than Canadians every day.

  120. What was it Maverick said yesterday? “We’ll be back at it tomorrow.”

    And how. Job well done.

  121. Well, old people tend to watch Fox anyway, so I’m not sure if John Roberts is going to be able to swing them against Obama from his comfy CNN chair.

    Barret, have you watched the comemrcials on the alphabet-soup networks (ABC, CBS, NBC)? They are for bowel aids, adult diapers, pre-packaged enemas, Preparation H, pain relievers, excess-stomach acid suppression drugs, IcyHot pain rub, etc., etc. The major networks news are watched by older Americans, which may include Fox, I am not sure. But I know that older Americans also tend to vote, while the young whippersnappers tend to forget about it while at the local establishment throwing back a few.

    Your ignorance concerning major network news demographics encourages me in a new way, as well. The economy is not bad, with 3.3% growth last quarter. Unemployment is great, at 5.7% (it was 5.5% under Bill Clinton!!!!!). The mortgage crisis caused a lot of pain, but to relatively few Americans. Iraq is a success. In other words, the pain the Democrats claim is driving their campaign does not truly exist, it is a spasm of oral emptiness, one befitting the empty suit from Illinois. The campaign is miasma, an imaginary medium of contagion, a bearer of nothing because it does not exist.

    When in the booth in November, after Americans have witnessed Obama’s attempt using the Justice Department to silence political opposition (something he has already attempted and will continue to try), we will see him for the fearful Marxist that he is. When his record as a state and federal senator is known, when his close friends are revealed, when his fakery is substantiated in spite of the mortal fear he will try to induce in his critics, when his culture-of-death morality is exposed, people will say, “Well, what do you know? Things are pretty good, bottom line, and the Democrats nominated a really dangerous dick this time.” It will be McGovern again. AGAIN!!!

  122. “McCain has completely trumped Obama’s ace, and for a Canadian retard like Roberts to talk about inexperience with Obama’s teensie-weensie resume, only a Canuck can be that stupid!!!”

    We’ll see. I’m certainly not defending John Roberts or Canadians in general.

    “Barrett, that was mean how you disparaged Karl and Dan.”

    I was mostly disparaging Dan. We’ve talked, and he’s a nice guy, but, no, I don’t really dig it when people post unsourced nonsense on a prominent blog, then leave it up without a due correction even when much of that nonsense has been refuted by way of my actual, you know, research. That’s the same kind of shit that us new media types disparage the mainstream media for all the time, and it cuts both ways.

    “On that we agree, however the ‘experts’ disagree with us mightily. Wilson routinely ranks in the top 10.”

    Then we both agree that most of these experts need to go take a walk off a cliff, then. Peace, brother.

  123. I said over at Ace’s that Palin needed to be ready for the shitstorm of hate the Sisterhood would throw at her for being a successful career woman with a marriage and kids, yet not a Democrat. Fellatio Thor has managed to keep to all of my expectations, and he doesn’t even have a vagina.

    Or so he would have us think.

  124. Waitaminnute – Woodrow fucking WILSON?

    Don’t strain yourself, son.

  125. OMG! He was beating up her sister? Shit. I can’t wait for that to come out. Those feminists that rag on Palin can kiss my big white girl ass, as I vote for McCain.

  126. Well, ok. And also you get points back for the prominent part.

  127. NPR didn’t mention that part about him being abusive, and they went on and on about it. But they missed that part.

  128. “Waitaminnute – Woodrow fucking WILSON?

    Don’t strain yourself, son.”

    Are you talking to me, or are you talking to one of the conservatives who actually brought up Woodrow Wilson in the first place? Ever heard of “blowback?”

  129. Want to know the effect of Palin? A few minutes ago, two of my coworkers who have only grudgingly supported McCain (lesser of two evils, and all) were so pleased by the pick that they went to his website to make a donation.

    The message they got? “Server too busy. Please try again later.”

    As one colleague put it: you think Obama had the same problem the day of the Biden pick?

    Me neither.

  130. Most Americans tend to rank Clinton as a great president on those polls, as I recall. I mean, Christ, man. We’re playing on your court here.

    Just not on yours. As a fellow originalist (you are too, right?) to me mob acclaim ranks pretty low.

    Which kicks the props out from under thor as well: Folks should reject Obama not because he’s an obvious fraud, and not even because he’s linked to as much class-envy and intended social manipulation as Marx himself, but because he violates the principle of minimalist government, one with as close to zero social policy as possible — McCain observes that in effect, Obama rejects JFK and asks what government must do for its soft-minded dependents. By the ideal of self-responsibility, Obama’s color means absolutely nothing…thereby fulfilling the entire leftist yearning for colorblindness, but that’s a digression.

    Folks should therefore support McCain or Palin not because of what they’ll do but because of what they won’t do. My hope is that 72 yr-old McCain goes golfing for 8 years but wields the fattest veto pen in history with which to reign in the lunacy that is the Pelosi-Reid Congress. That’s how government should operate (save for one shining piece of legislation that calls on every new piece of subsequent legislation to include shelving two old pieces of legislation. One can hope.)

    That’s a fantasy, of course, but it does tend to explain the hatred and panic the Left’s experiencing right about now, including thor. Residing on the baser end of the human experience, most of them seem to content themselves with identities, not ideals; with people versus principles. L vs. R politics isn’t the linear, horizontal, balanced tension most suppose it to be. It’s actually, at its roots, a vertical ray, one ended dead-ended in muck of dependence on central power and its ruin of the spirit, and the other end free to be full of possibility and dimension.

    The candidates don’t matter, and frankly, it’s a shame McCain had to play, yet masterfully, on the Left’s portion of the scale, the baser end. In a more mature, responsibly climate Palin wouldn’t have made the grade because only a dyed-in-the-wool, proven, political reductionist would have.

    But we have what we have and this choice is going to wedge itself sideways in the left’s throat.

  131. I wish they would put half as much interest in investigating Obama as they are going to with Palin.

  132. Yes, Pablo. The cabinet that hated him at first. As in, a bunch of people who had no reason to prop up his reputation, being in large disagreement with his policies. History much?

    Much of the country was in disagreement with his policies, such as the one that fomented one of those nasty wars. It’s only in hindsight that Lincoln is seen as brilliant. In his day, he most certainly was not. He was viewed much as George Bush is today.

    Who in his Cabinet was there that spoke of Lincoln as an intellectual? And does does, say, Condi Rice’s opinion of Bush weigh on yours?

  133. I don’t really dig it when people post unsourced nonsense on a prominent blog

    Obama’s record as an “intellectual” is pretty scanty. That’s a fact.

    Your “research” was mostly spin.

    Obama has no publication record to speak of.

    Yes, we know that the Harvard Law Review is (conveniently) anonymous, but what else has he written?

    Nothing of consequence (unless you count those two autobiographies, I guess).

  134. I love Sara Palin more and more the more I learn. This is really a great day for women I think and also Republicans.

  135. *Sarah* I meant. Boy she sure is gonna have a busy weekend. I’m gonna throw away my couch is the biggest thing I have planned. And order the last of the new computer parts. But that’s like nothing compared to how busy Sarah will be. Lots of phone calls I bet. Everyone is gonna want to congratulate her.

  136. Can I get any happier today? I just don’t know.

    Mother of 5
    conservative
    hunts and fishes
    hockey and basketball
    PTA mom
    (possibly) got her BIL fired for beating up her sister

    LOL (If that last one is true, I’ll contribute money to the campaign for sure.)

  137. Unlike Barry or Joe, Sarah has actual negotiated with a foreign country. And given recent incursions into Alaskan airspace by “bears”, she certainly has a better understanding of Putin’s type of diplomacy.

  138. No offense, PC, but are you looking for a responsible custodian of the Constitution or a role model?

  139. PC… also she’s a woman. That shouldn’t get lost in all the excitement I don’t think. This is very special and historic for people who keep track of these sorts of things.

  140. “No offense, PC, but are you looking for a responsible custodian of the Constitution or a role model?”

    a role model. I wasn’t going to vote at all until today. :)

  141. “intellectual career”?

    I laugh. He was editor of the law review and wrote one article that we know of. Is that the stuff of greatness now? Is that now considered serious experience to be president? Barret Brown, if you are really contending that his “intellect” is what qualifies him to be pres, then you should want his College and law school grades released, as well as his LSAT scores. I still want to know, did he get into Harvard Law only b/c of affirmative action? How did he get on the law review? We know he did not grade on (and it appears that he did not write on) – thus, he must have gotten on through some kind of affirmative action standard. Hardly the stuff of genius.

    He was law review editor. That is very impressive when you are trying to get a clerkship and/or a big-firm job right after law school. Not so much once you have been out of law school for more than 2 years.

    I laugh that the left is falling into the trap of questioning qualifications – it will only backfire b/c the end result is people contemplating the vast gulf between McCain’s experience and O’s total lack of experience.

    Yes, he went to a good school and by all accounts is a smart guy. I don’t know of anything that points to him being brilliant or a serious scholar in any way. Nor do I think I want a scholar or genius as president.

    O! has no real world experience, no executive experience, and no legislative accomplishments from either state or national level. He can’t point to anything he’s done in life that demonstrates leadership or courage. Nobody, even his worshippers, can state for sure what his policy positions are as they change regalularly.

    I am very happy with this Veep pick, and am more confident then ever that McCain is going to win handily. Not quite a Reagan – Mondale blowout, but with a greator electoral college majority and popular vote majority than in recent years.

    If Barrett Brown or others like him truly cared about “experience” wouldn’t they be voting for McCain rather than Obama? How can they with a straight face discuss experience as a factor when they are voting for someone with no experience over someone with a plethora of experience?

  142. #

    Comment by Andrew the Noisy on 8/29 @ 12:30 pm #

    I said over at Ace’s that Palin needed to be ready for the shitstorm of hate the Sisterhood would throw at her for being a successful career woman with a marriage and kids, yet not a Democrat. Fellatio Thor has managed to keep to all of my expectations, and he doesn’t even have a vagina.

    Or so he would have us think.
    #

    Excellent comment.

  143. I’ll bet she’s got lots of old friends who will show up to the Convention. It’ll be another contrast kind of thing vis Krauthammer’s observations.

  144. “Just not on yours. As a fellow originalist (you are too, right?) to me mob acclaim ranks pretty low.”

    I agree. Again, these weren’t my parameters; they were ThomasD’s. I’ll play on anyone’s court. As for the rest of your assessment, I basically agree.

  145. FWIW, a guest interviewed on this morning’s Bill Bennett show, a classmate of Obama’s at HLS, said there were racial quotas for the Law Review at that time. The President and Treasurer of the Law Review were empowered to choose a low-scoring minority in order to add “diversity” to the review. Obama’s classmate said she thought he was a smart guy and did not know if he received preferential treatment. IIRC, Ann Althouse said Obama published nothing during his tenure at Chicago Law, which was unusual. Maybe Dan and Barrett can research that. Me, I’ve got to putty and tape some drywall.

  146. dur….palin might actually have been the first American woman president……
    in 8 years.
    that cretinous cancerous semi-senile septugenarian has just thrown her under the wheels of the Ego-Express.

    old ppl have more reservations about mccain than anyone! see bob dole ;)

  147. “If Barrett Brown or others like him truly cared about “experience” wouldn’t they be voting for McCain rather than Obama?”

    I don’t care about experience, and I’m voting for neither. I will be voting for Bob Barr.

  148. Actually, that’s rubbish, BB, because I just read every comment ThomasD made in this thread and I don’t see him lending much credence to Prez’s that poll well. In fact, I don’t see see him lending any credence to Prez’s that poll well.

    It appears it was you who raised polling champions as somehow noteworthy when he offered “on anyone’s scale”.

    There’s no point there. So what gives.

  149. The whole qualifications thing is nonesense for partisans, as we are going to vote for the candidate who we believe represents our philosophy best, not someone who we believe has “experience”. So, the truth is, those of us on this site would vote for someone with O’s minimal qualifications if he was conservative and the GOP nominee and vice versa.

    It is only the mushy middle who will be swayed by the “experience” argument. And, I think that attacking Palin’s relative inexperience will only backfire on O!.

    All that said, I still find it amazing that some lefties come over here and try to convince us that O! has some kind of grand “experience”.

  150. Also it’s very Laura Roslin I think. Very exciting.

  151. And I’ll be voting for Barr too, although McCain just ushered himself into the White House.

    Shut up, nishi.

  152. And too hf, there is the hovering anticipation of the day she lets her hair down in public. (Especially if it never comes.)

  153. Why are you voting for role models, PC? The entire Democrat Party, when not voting itself free stuff, votes for persons, even when it has to project them into place.

    I mean, you saw their convention, right?

  154. just who is Palin gonna deliver, Jeff?

  155. Barrett:

    <i?I don’t care about experience, and I’m voting for neither. I will be voting for Bob Barr.

    I find that very difficult to believe, at best. You are pretending to be a liberterian or somesuch, when all of your comments on this site are extremely left and extremely anti-GOP and pro-Obama.

  156. PUMA I know said she is now voting McCain so in 2012 it will be Hillary vs. Palin. So no matter what a woman become president.

    I wonder if anyone else has heard that?

    (she thinks McCain won’t run for a 2nd term)

  157. “Why are you voting for role models, PC?”

    Well I was (sort of) kidding, but the point I was making is that I don’t like any of the candidates. And since I’m conservative and Palin is the most conservative, I like her. And it doesn’t hurt that she is a bad ass mom, too. You dig?

  158. From Barrett:

    “Yes, Pablo. The cabinet that hated him at first. As in, a bunch of people who had no reason to prop up his reputation, being in large disagreement with his policies. History much?”

    Did they proclaim him an intellectual, or give him their respect. If you think it’s the former, I’d like to see who and when said so (and no, I won’t move the goal posts). If the latter, it may be more Lincoln’s leadership and other personal traits, not his elevation into the ranks of the intelligentsia. Project much?

  159. lol…..relly cudlips.
    do ju think hilary is gonna come out and say, vote palin sistahs!
    shes just a younger me.
    lololollll!

  160. hilary is gonna say…..my voters (lol) dont be fooled by antique cartoon characters obvious identity politics scam.
    hahaha!

  161. “Barrett:

    <i?I don’t care about experience, and I’m voting for neither. I will be voting for Bob Barr.

    I find that very difficult to believe, at best. You are pretending to be a liberterian or somesuch, when all of your comments on this site are extremely left and extremely anti-GOP and pro-Obama.”

    Good for you. I write comments under my own name, and if you really care what my opinions are – and clearly you do, since you’re making assertions about them – then you can read my book, in which I take a swipe at free silver, of all things, in a book that has nothing to do about economics. Or you can Google me and read any number of my articles in which I attack government figures from a libertarian standpoint, or you can go find articles I’ve written for libertarian public policy journals. Then you can apologize for calling into question my integrity. You won’t, of course, but it is a possibility. At any rate, I’m used to being slandered here and expect no better behavior from many of you.

  162. Woodrow Wilson certainly was an intellectual. He had a PhD. He was president of the American Political Science Association. That doesn’t mean he was a good president. He certainly wasn’t. But Clinton was not an intellectual. He didn’t dedicate any significant portion of his life to academics beyond the time he was in school. He didn’t publish anything academic of note. In recent history, Americans have chosen not to elect intellectuals. There are probably a lot of reasons for this. Early in American history, the political elite was also the intellectual elite, which is how you get brilliant minds like Thomas Jefferson and John Adams in the role of president.

    The idea that Obama is an intellectual is a bit more questionable. Perhaps he would have been, had he actually been successful in academics. But he wasn’t. He didn’t publish much of anything that was notable. And he left academics for politics, I think because he realized his own goals were more activist than academic. Is he smart? Certainly. But it doesn’t make him an intellectual.

  163. #99 Mr. Pink – So wait a second, after years of telling everyone that women should have children and be a part of the workforce with only a couple months paid leave and government mandated childcare at work, they are now saying it is teh evil right wing that makes women leave their children alone to join the workforce?????????????????????????????

    If the Left decides that “She should stay home and raise children!” has to be the new slogan I’m sure that even the gals at Feministe Blog will be chanting it with gusto. Don’t believe me? See Thor criticizing a Vice Presidential candidate who has more executive experience than Obama for lack of experience? The logic works like that.
    The feminists came up with the “one free grope” rule for Bill Clinton, so surely they could help Obama out with an argument for keeping women at home with the kids.

  164. The Palin Pick was brilliant!

  165. lol palin is a breederbot
    total patriarchy control
    she might as well be FLDS ;)

  166. ooooooo

    ima make a youtube of Palin as the Stepford Wife of the decrepit Republican Party!!!!!!!
    hahaha

  167. Also Sarah I think will really be a hard thing for M’chelle, cause Sarah won’t have to pimp her kids and assert assert assert I am a good mom I am I am I am all the time and M’chelle is gonna look a lot more contrived in comparison. Sarah just looks it without having to do a special People cover to sell it. Awesome choice.

  168. Dole ran 12 years ago. Boomers have aged twelve years. Their egos, however, remain fixed in Pierre Cardin suits and champagne at Elaine’s.

    Who is Palin going to bring on board? Some libertarians who would have voted for Barr, many conservatives who would have sat it out, and a number of moderate women who know the VP has no say in abortion policy — and who aren’t too happy with the way Obama and his entourage treated Hillary while dealing out the race card like Ricky Roma dealt out dubious real estate.

  169. Also Sarah doesn’t seem so darn angry.

  170. hilary is gonna say…..my voters (lol) dont be fooled by antique cartoon characters obvious identity politics scam.

    No, she isn’t. She wants Obama to lose. So, shut up nishi.

  171. Very good, Jeff.
    Still I keep thinking instead of listening to such drivel on tv and commenting on it you and I could be sipping drinks around the Mondrian pool right now, overseeing the movie production of our fabulous best selling book.

  172. Hey. Mr. Reynolds linked this post. And you didn’t even say nothing about telomeres.

  173. no Aldo, our argument will be that palin is a Stepford Wife and teh patriarchy totally controls her.
    shes not a real grrl at all, lol.

  174. Meanwhile, the pick has nishi so frightened and apoplectic that she’s planning youtube videos depicting a mother, mayor, governor, reformer as a Stepford Wife.

    Might want to re-watch the movie, nishi. The original, though. Kate Ross is where it’s at. Daddy-O!

  175. Shut up, nishi, and tell the rest of the voices in your head to do likewise. You wanna talk to someone about your grand strategy, tell it to O!

  176. Andrew the Noisy gets the tone-deaf Dems perfectly:

    When will the Dems realize that most women are not embittered & clinging [oops, a bit of Bidenagiarism] to Roe v. Wade. Most American women do not rank sexual & birth-control issues above their concerns about the economy & a lot of other issues the Dems should be talking about, instead of having Andrea Mitchell & the entire DNC/NBC Politburo shrieking otherwise [including sad-sack Margaret Carlson].

    And I sure want to commend the comment below:

    Which kicks the props out from under thor as well: Folks should reject Obama not because he’s an obvious fraud, and not even because he’s linked to as much class-envy and intended social manipulation as Marx himself, but because he violates the principle of minimalist government, one with as close to zero social policy as possible — McCain observes that in effect, Obama rejects JFK and asks what government must do for its soft-minded dependents.

    The Dems went off the rails during the last decade & believe PR & the MSM will pull their nutroots out of the fire.

  177. So, I guess only “real” girls are pro-abortion? God (or more appropriately for you nishi) Cray, you’re a putz.

  178. dur pablow hil cant afford to be seen as wanting O to loose ;)
    that is political death.

    no Jeff….women will resent Palin, most especially women that have actually practiced reproductive choice.
    and hilary is a cult of personality, crusty pantsuits and all.
    a swap out with a barbie doll stepford wife aint gonna cut it for the dry pussy brigade.
    those chicks are angry.
    ;)

  179. one thing they are angry about is woman-age….the whole think about O being young and having time, while 60something hilary didnt.
    that will make Palin toxic for the Hilary voters.

  180. I choose reproductive choice. I use a fucking condom. You mean they want to terminate pregnancy at will. We’ve gone around in circles with this before in regards to “when does life start”, but the “choose” thing is bogus. The choice is already there.

  181. Yes, Ontario is the heartland of Canadian braindeath, with Quebec behind by a nose. The Western Provinces are just beginning to pull themselves out from under the dead weight of the Canadian loo-zer culture. Sure Toronto, Ottawa, & Montreal are great places [as is Quebec City], but I’d want to live in Socialist Vancouver or Republican Calgary if I had my druthers…

    Roberts is a classic second-rate mind from a second-rate country…… How many Olympic medals did Canada get? As opposed to an achievement-oriented country like the Land of Oz, with two-thirds Canada’s population & six/thirds the medals!!!

  182. lol i think i can model Palin as a Stepford Wife.
    shes a breederbot, lol………lol!!!!
    ill photoshop her into FLDS prairie couture.
    hahahaha

  183. dur pablow hil cant afford to be seen as wanting O to loose ;)
    that is political death.

    Well, she’s not going to come out and say it, ya moron. Nor is she going to come out an knock Palin as not woman enough/inauthentic. Now if you were running, I’m sure she would, but you’re not, so shut up.

  184. and ill run my photoshop at dKos

    /evil grin

  185. I think you infantalize women, nishi — though I bet you don’t believe you yourself are infantile. Women who practiced reproductive choice may disagree with Palin on abortion, but I think they’ll admire her for a number of other things.

    Or, to put it more bluntly, you reduce women to uteri with votes. Most women fancy themselves something a bit more complex, I’d venture.

  186. But McCain got so many points today for who he didn’t pick, too. He’s going to be President McCain now, especially cause we still have debates to do. Baracky peaked too soon and now him and Joey Hairplugs like Pablo says are gonna have to figure out at what price victory for McCain. I bet they seed the a McCain victory is a triumph of racism meme a lot enthusiastically. That strikes me as a lot not patriotic. But nobody ever accused Baracky of being patriotic.

  187. OI, choose all u want.
    We just object to you tryin to choose for us.

    Do you know anyone with Downs?
    like personally?
    not a cute lil mongoloid baby….but say….a teenager that has just realized hes never going to have a wife or even a gf?

  188. Yes bocadave … Alberta is a fascinating place these days I think. I would like to get up there and have a look. I’ve never felt that way about Canada before.

  189. Oh but Baracky is patriotikkk in the very way he ties his shoes each morning. And does his best to keep those creeps Bill Ayers and Bernie Dorhn out of the public eye so’s people aren’t forced to be puking reflexively every time they see them.

  190. nope, i dont.
    i quite admire Palin.
    but that wont prevent me from mocking her or demonizing her at dKos.

    its wat i do.
    lol

  191. Then go do it.

  192. Yes nishi, you’re a pathetic, hate-filled little twit who thrives on spreading pain. We know that. Go on, have fun at dKos.

  193. nishi, there’s a whole apparatus for making Down kids look super good. The Kennedy people what’s left of them have spent a fortune on this whole deal. They just protested a movie about it. It was pretty funny. As in sad. But for real Democrats love the special little guys to pieces. Triumph of the human spirit and all that. I don’t really understand your point, but Democrats are suckers for kids like that. It’s not just at the Academy Awards.

  194. I’ve known quite a few spinsters who, after putting their careers and entitlements first, finally realized they wouldn’t have children, and would likely never marry.

    Probably a lot more bitter about it than Corky, too. Should have been retroactively aborted in their sixth year of grad school, by your calculus, nishi — or at least, when they broke down and finally started making self-effacing (yet self-conscious) jokes about their vibrators.

  195. shes not a real grrl at all, lol.

    She’s better than a “grrl” — she’s a woman. More of a woman than you are, probably more of one than you’ll ever be.

    Hell, let’s see — shooter/hunter, pilot, politician, mother, attractive… it’s starting to sound like she’s a Heinlein character!

  196. im photoshopa utube of bama az huggy bear and biden as mr maggo. a political game changer i am

  197. Ya know, nishi really should go make whatever attack video she fantasizes about. Really!

    Because I don’t think that line of attack will play the way she thinks it will.

  198. Wait wait! quellcrist falconer is nishi?

    I’m so . . . inexperienced.

  199. “Hell, let’s see — shooter/hunter, pilot, politician, mother, attractive… it’s starting to sound like she’s a Heinlein character!”

    Except without, you know, the respect for science and education, as per her practice of equating creationism with evolution.

  200. There better be Power Armor this time. The next Heinlein character on my tv better be wearing Power Armor. How can you not, what with all the CGI possible? If Peter Jackson made Gollum live, we can Power Armor.

    What…??

  201. And all this is before Sarah Palin even starts making things happen. I bet she can raise some money like nobody’s business cause of how historic she is and lots of moms are going to want their little girls to see her and meet her if they can. Time magazine might even have to bump Baracky off the cover for a week.

  202. Jim Lindgren at Volokh apparently has the goods on Hillbots for Palin. Unfortunately, they’re buried under an Instalanche.

  203. no Aldo, our argument will be that palin is a Stepford Wife and teh patriarchy totally controls her.
    shes not a real grrl at all, lol.

    Hi Nishi! Where have you been? Why haven’t you stayed in touch? Shame on you!

    There is no basis for saying that Palin is controlled by the patriarchy. Hillary springboarded her whole political career off of being Bill’s wife. Palin, on the other hand, rose to state-level CEO the old-fashioned way.

  204. Nishi: “women will resent Palin, most especially women that have actually practiced reproductive choice.”

    Ever notice, folks, that choices that don’t agree with Nishi’s narrow and ill-informed world view are automatically disregarded?

    Hint for Nishi — inherent is a choice is two alternatives. That she didn’t select your preferred choice in now way invalidates her choice.

    Nishi: “my voters (lol) dont be fooled by antique cartoon characters obvious identity politics scam.”

    They fell for her, didn’t they — that’s prima facie evidence they can be fooled by obvious identity politics.

  205. Wait wait! quellcrist falconer is nishi?

    Yes, queefchrest felchener is one of nishi’s many alternate identities. It’s either the result of being a mental twelve-year-old or having a mental problem so severe holding onto a stable identity terrifies her.

  206. Aldo is right. That was rude for me not to have already said. It is nice to see you, nishi. I missed you when you were gone. Summer is over almost and it will be nice if you’re around for autumn cause that’s my favorite time of year.

  207. In response to Nishi’s question about who exactly Palin is going to deliver, maybe these ladies could answer it for you. I’m sure they’re not authentic enough, though so maybe you can brush them off as not having a dry enough pussy.

    I know I shouldn’t poke the troll, but Jeff seemed to have ceded her point early up above.

    I think the Palin pick neutralizes the convention bounce by stealing the media cycle over Labor Day weekend, and gives McCain the edge leading to the Republican convention. What I’m predicting is that the bubble of Obama’s media support will begin to deflate as he slides farther in the polls. Since his supporters (see nishi and thor for relevant examples) have always been one of O’s biggest problems, when they complete their metamorphosis into nasty little furballs of misogynistic spite and race baiting, you’ll see the bubble deflate completely and McCain sweep the election in a landslide.

    I blame Biden. That makes me not racist, right? Denounce that.

  208. BB, does #162 really assert that you expect to be taken on some external body of work and not what you write here? I find that interesting.

  209. lol Aldo, of course not.
    my real fear is mccains senile dementia that the cudlips refuse to acknowledge.
    i plan to mock Palin as a Stepford Wife at dKos to frag mccains overweening ambition is all.

  210. Hi nishi, sorry to hear about your name change. I hope it was elective and the scars are healing OK.

    Here in Dayton, the black Suburbans are pulling out, the highways returning to normal, the airwaves still echoing from U. S. A. ! and teh womyn marveling at what just happened – here!

  211. Shut up, nishidiot.

  212. Except without, you know, the respect for science and education, as per her practice of equating creationism with evolution.

    That doesn’t please me (if true), but I suspect she has a better handle on science than, say, Algore.

    Not that that’s saying much.

  213. Nishi, are you still here? How are you ever gonna “frag mccains overweening ambition” if all you do is talk about it here?

    Really, you’re not going to win many hearts and minds with just a little action. And seriously, fragging mccain at dkos? Just get the barrel and start shooting the fish. Why don’t you try actually making arguments and backing them up *here*?

    O…right…

    (And yes, I did break my own rule about the griefer.)

  214. You know, a little background on how Palin got to be governor, might be of use here.

    In 2002, then-Senator Frank Murkowski (R), a plenty big fish in Alaska politics despite being only the “junior” Senator, ran for governor to break the GOP’s long losing streak in that regard*, and won.

    In 2006, after some truly Senator-like acts on Murkowski’s part as governor, Sarah Palin ran against Murkowski for the GOP nomination for governor, and beat the living daylights out of him.

    She didn’t get his name stricken from the ballot, or have embarrassing personal information about him released to the media during the campaign. She took him on straight-up, and beat him fair and square. And then she took on the most popular Democrat in Alaska, former Gov. Tony Knowles. And beat the living daylights out of him. She didn’t get his name stricken from the ballot, or have embarrassing personal information about him released to the media during the campaign. She took him on straight-up, and beat him fair and square.

    I’m seeing a pattern here.

    *In 1990, the GOP gubernatorial ticket came in third; Knowles, on his first try for governor, was second, while former Governor, and former Nixon-era Interior Secretary Wally Hickel, nominated by the Alaskan Independence Party, won the election. The two subsequent gubernatorial efforts by the GOP were scarcely less humiliating. 2002 was a turnaround, but 2006 was the political equivalent of the Good Friday Earthquake of 1964.

  215. i quite admire Palin.
    but that wont prevent me from mocking her or demonizing her at dKos.

    From what I can see, like Hilary, Palin out-achieves her husband, he of the 3-times winner of the 2000-mile, longest snowmobile race in the world. Palin’s husband, I mean. Clinton’s was good with cigars.

    So what gives, nishi? Besides the publicly admitted irrational hatred, I mean.

  216. guyz, i actually think Palin kinda rocks.
    id vote for her in 2016……..but the message is the medium
    photoshop FTW!!!!

    ima do my part to keep mccain out.
    hes already confused the sunni and the shi’ia and anbar and baghdad in public.
    who knows wat team mccain is keepin under wraps?
    he is only gettin older.
    more plaques, more neurofibril bundles……
    it will just get worse……the slide into senile dementia.
    ;)

  217. “Oh Sarah, my Sarah, you would bark like a hungry sled dog!”

    – And when she did, your little dickie would wag, and if she chose to, she might give you your ballsac thor.

    – You’ve gone from whistling past the cemetery, to trying pitifully to keep your lower lip above the quicksand.

  218. “#Comment by ThomasD on 8/29 @ 11:37 am #

    Oh, and wasn’t it Schlesinger who described Wilson as the last true racist President?”

    Well, he was a Democrat.

  219. my real fear is mccains senile dementia that the cudlips refuse to acknowledge.

    I acknowledged it, idiot. He can go golfing for the next eight-tenths of a decade as long as his veto pen works. I hope he puts in four one-hour days a week and texts in his best poetry for the Cabinet to muse over.

    The Perfect President.

  220. it isnt so much that i dislike palin
    i detest mccain.
    he is dangerous and bad for this country.
    ill use any tool at hand.

  221. “….the slide into senile dementia.”

    – The voice of personal experience, and at such a young age.

  222. Feministe gets credit for being sane.

    That right there is news.

  223. who knows wat team mccain is keepin under wraps?

    Who knows what Obama’s team is keeping under wraps? He might have neurosyphillis, lung cancer, or the crabs.

    WHO KNOWS!!??

  224. btw, jeff…….anti-abortion == anti-libertatian
    we have already establiished that

  225. Tim Kaine – same experience as Palin – perfectly appropriate MSM-approved VP candidate. Sarah Palin – woefully inexperienced. Dem cognitive dissonance.

  226. my real fear is mccains senile dementia

    Odd, since you show far more evidence of that than does John McCain, who shows none.

  227. the slide into senile dementia.
    ;)

    Cool! First, celebration of Steve Sailer-grade racism, then outright cheering for senility.

    You’re a class act, quef.

  228. my real fear is mccains senile dementia that the cudlips refuse to acknowledge.

    The POTUS is just a figurehead Nishi. As long as McCain has a good team in place to run the show they can put him in a big chair and give him speeches to read on TV every now and then. We’ll be fine. Obama will make a fine figure-head too. Maybe even better, due to the symbolism of being half black. But the people running the show for Obama will be instituutional party people like Warren Christopher and New Left radicals from Hyde Park and the Sorosphere. That’s the problem.

  229. i plan to mock Palin as a Stepford Wife at dKos to frag mccains overweening ambition is all.

    Thereby convincing all those Kossacks predisposed to vote McCain/Palin. Good thinking, Nish. Better waddle on over and get started right away.

  230. Can you imagine what Helen Thomas is thinking right now? HAhahahahahahahaha!

  231. wow JHoward…..our mil customers might object to having a vegetable for CinC.
    i truly think they would.

  232. The stake has been driven through nishi-dolts heart. Holy water has been sprinkled, garlic thrown in the coffin, the sun is rising … this is the part when it shreiks and wails before turning to dust.

    h/t to Anne Rice

  233. McCain/Palin ’08
    Stop Obama from beating women!

  234. Steve Sailer is a god, cudlips.
    fall on your knees and worship.

  235. guyz, i actually think Palin kinda rocks.

    But yet, I’m going to smear her. Because of the hope and change. STFU, nishi. If you’ve got filth to spread, go do it. You’re not going to fertilize anything here.

  236. we have already establiished that

    When you say we, are you referring to all of your personalities?

  237. lol!!!!!
    there arnt any kossacks that are predisposed to vote mccain.
    lol, u cudlips are a laff riot, truly.

  238. I acknowledged it, idiot. He can go golfing for the next eight-tenths of a decade as long as his veto pen works. I hope he puts in four one-hour days a week and texts in his best poetry for the Cabinet to muse over.

    The Perfect President.

    Amen.

  239. “BB, does #162 really assert that you expect to be taken on some external body of work and not what you write here? I find that interesting.”

    No. The whole point of that post is that people are not taking me on what I write here, and are in fact accusing me of lying about my political beliefs. Do you see how that works?

  240. Barrett:

    Except without, you know, the respect for science and education, as per her practice of equating creationism with evolution.

    Cite?

  241. “#

    Comment by thor on 8/29 @ 12:06 pm #

    She’s Condi without the education or the put-on airs of gravitas. She’s your neighbor’s Mom that you secretly wanted to bed. She car pools the kids with an orderly eye, yet you’d bang her tail lights out if you could.

    Oh Sarah, my Sarah, you would bark like a hungry sled dog!”

    Mu goodness, thor, you are well and truly an intelectual and moral pygmy. A fucknozzle, if you will.

  242. yup i am gonna mock palin.
    ;)
    smear? nah.
    like Kyle said, either its all ok to make fun of, or none of it is.
    ttyl

  243. - One of Hillerys hardliners is on FOX right now. Says the selection of Palin made the difference for her. Interesting. Wonder if the DNC spin machine can staunch the bleeding.

    – Also wonder how many pols in the O! camp are second guessing throwing Hillery under the MagicBus.

  244. Steve Sailer is a god, cudlips.
    fall on your knees and worship.

    You, my friend, are a funny, funny person. Really, you should do standup.

  245. there arnt any kossacks that are predisposed to vote mccain.

    Duh, really? Say it ain’t so.

    Now head on over to make your cordless bungee jump into the abyss of stupidity, Nish.

  246. ill use any tool at hand

    Surely that would violate your personal system of ethics. Wouldn’t it? Not to mention violating the spirit of Sufiism.

  247. yup i am gonna mock palin.</I<

    No one cares what you do, nishit.

    Sorry.

  248. Close tag.

  249. “#Comment by quellcrist falconer on 8/29 @ 1:21 pm #

    no Aldo, our argument will be that palin is a Stepford Wife and teh patriarchy totally controls her.
    shes not a real grrl at all, lol.”

    No, nishi, you stupid fuck, she’s a lady, which your are not now and never will be.

  250. “Cite?”

    “The volatile issue of teaching creation science in public schools popped up in the Alaska governor’s race this week when Republican Sarah Palin said she thinks creationism should be taught alongside evolution in the state’s public classrooms.

    Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night’s televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, ‘Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.'”

  251. I know I shouldn’t poke the troll, but Jeff seemed to have ceded her point early up above.

    Huh?

    I don’t think I did. In fact, I think I remarked that her point, such as it is, infantalizes women. And that her pick delivers plenty.

  252. Creationism is stupid. I love Sarah Palin. Awesome choice.

  253. there arnt any kossacks that are predisposed to vote mccain.

    I would say something about “preaching to the choir,” but I don’t want to trigger a rant about the xtians on this thread. ;)

  254. I have to say this was a brilliant choice.

    Just look at the intellectually challenged reactionary leftys who post here, reduced to sputtering inanity about “intellectuals” and spouting inane insults.

    Sometimes it’s good to live in interesting times.

  255. Here’s the full quote Barrett:

    Curveballs

    PALIN: “Teach both. You know, don’t be afraid of information.
    “Healthy debate is so important and it’s so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both.
    “And, you know, I say this, too, as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject — creationism and evolution.
    “It’s been a healthy foundation for me. But don’t be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.”

    You seem to be suffering from a common failing amongst Democrats these last several years: selective quoting. Plus a habit of twisting things to suit your own ends.

  256. Do you see how that works?

    Not if you can’t reason it well, BB. Kinda like how you left your misrepresentation of ThomasD dangling.

  257. Creationism is belief. It’s hardly stupid. Evolution is a solid scientific theory not without it’s faults. They aren’t mutually exclusive. However, I don’t think creationism should be taught next to evolution in schools. Although, with all my heart, I believe. No “belief”, none, nada, zilch, zippy, should be mandated by government, imho.

  258. HAH!

    Rachel Lucas calls Sarah Palin a saucy minx.

  259. “If you’re lucky, that saucy minx is your next vice president.”

    http://www.rachellucas.com/

  260. Pingback: Goldstein: Palin is the perfect identity politics trap

  261. Sorry, meant here, which is in another thread so not so much above, as before. My mistake.

    I think that nominating a woman VP is less small than you may think, Jeff. There’s a certain segment of the feminist crowd who don’t want to wash away Roe v. Wade in the rush to get a woman in power, but there’s a significantly larger set that just like to see a girl get an equal shot, regardless of political beliefs.

    Anecdotally: One of my fellow students is a full on, Che idolizing socialist, but mostly because of the social part of it. Ragging on the squares and so forth. She was bigtime behind Obama, but this morning when she heard that Palin was the nominee she got all mouth agape and said, “I’ll be damned, I may have to vote for a republican.”

    Whether I like the paean to identity politics or not, I have to admit, Palin was a savvy choice.

  262. (Oh, did I mention that I first learned about evolution in biology class.? In a Catholic high school. Funny, that.)

  263. I am a proponent of teaching both.

    Obama’s church teaches that Whitey created the AIDS virus to kill blacks.

    But that’s okay, I guess.

  264. Barrett —

    Could be her reasoning is similar to mine — and I’m not a creationist, think ID isn’t science, etc. See here.

    Nothing Palin says in your quote suggests to me that she believes in creationism. She might — but that quote doesn’t tell me so one way or another.

    Nishi —

    If being pro-life is anti-libertarian, take it up with David Harsanyi, who didn’t exactly paint Palin as Ayn Rand.

    From my perspective, the libertarian take on abortion is a tough one and redounds to questions of viability, nature vs nurture, personhood, and when one achieves “rights” that, because of the finality, supercede other “rights.”

    I don’t deal with these questions like political footballs. So no, “we” haven’t already established anything of the sort.

  265. “#Comment by Patrick Chester on 8/29 @ 2:22 pm #

    (Oh, did I mention that I first learned about evolution in biology class.? In a Catholic high school. Funny, that.)”

    They didn’t burn you at the stake after that?

  266. And now we can drill for energies when they win. It’ll be nice for the prices to be lower and inflation to be lower and a president what will safeguard freedom in Iraq and also not do crazy stuff like make kids do shit for the government. I think today America has turned the corner on this whole Baracky sexplosion thing. That was getting kind of creepy.

  267. Jeff: But… the intentionalism! Or perhaps I need to sleep. (Been up since 11pm CST last night. Weekend whee!)

  268. “We’re the ones with the babe on the ticket.”

    -Rush Limbaugh

  269. oh. I for real believe it’s stupid, OI. It’s just a thing. I’m not passionate about decrying it or anything.

  270. Libertarian thought on abortion is hardly monolithic. Libertarians for Life has been around for a long time, and as an LP committeeman, I can tell you there are a lot of anti-abortion libertarians out here.

  271. N O’Brain: No. Religious stuff was a separate class.

    (Though I must admit my own preference would be that teaching both would make it so creationists would actually learn what the theory of evolution states instead of what they think it states.)

  272. ill use any tool at hand.
    You can use thor.

  273. Oh and did I mention that I misread the “bros before hos” section of that post in conjunction with your statement above

    Of course, the wildcard here is that female Democrats who detest Obama’s shiny empty banality will be forced to bite the bullet for him just to prevent the GOP from getting elected the first female VP. But I’m not sure that’s enough to counteract moderates who may now swing heavily in favor of McCain.

    as meaning that Palin was a miscalculation which played to identity politics. Don’t really have anything to blame it on other than McCain’s alleged senility, which appears to be so far reaching as to affect people living in other states.

  274. Abortion is okay. It’s easier to be against abortion when there aren’t unwanted fetuses involved, that’s for sure.

  275. “You seem to be suffering from a common failing amongst Democrats these last several years: selective quoting. Plus a habit of twisting things to suit your own ends.”

    You seem to be suffering from a common failing amongst commenters at PW these last several weeks: selective illiteracy. The quote does not contradict my assessment that she equated creationism with evolution, but in fact confirms it. Also, I am not a Democrat and have never voted for a Democrat or given money to a Democrat.

    “Not if you can’t reason it well, BB.”

    I’ll try again. I wrote that I was voting for Bob Barr. Someone decided that I was lying about that and about being a libertarian. I pointed out that this may be verified by a quick Google search. You criticized me for my alleged expectation that I be judged by way of my body of work and not what I write here. God forbid I offer evidence to offset the latest round of poorly-written slander.

    “(Oh, did I mention that I first learned about evolution in biology class.? In a Catholic high school. Funny, that.)”

    Good for you. This does not contradict anything that I have said or implied.

  276. Well, happy in my haste to post a reply, I must admit I misread the whole thing. Creationism as in Adam and Eve is something I don’t believe in, either. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of “God created Humans.” and he used the process of evolution. I guess that would be ID? No? I still don’t think that belongs in government schools, either.

  277. What I don’t like about creationism most is when the nice Christian kids who have been nice and quiet all year suddenly get all fired up with the Lord in the middle of school and start wearing armbands and whatever and jeez it’s one of those things where you realize that public school is just the suck and you just have to endure it but after I’m out of here I will never hang out with any of these people again cause I will have more better choices I think.

  278. “Nothing Palin says in your quote suggests to me that she believes in creationism.”

    Nothing I wrote suggests that she believes in creationism. I said very specifically that she equated it with evolution. Unlike some of the posters here, I am careful with what I write. I’ll check out your link later. Suffice to say, my position is that creationism is not scientific, but if private schools would like to teach it, then that is and ought to be their right.

  279. The quote does not contradict my assessment that she equated creationism with evolution, but in fact confirms it.

    No, it doesn’t, twist-boy. Being in favor of a debate does not mean that one is “equating” the two sides. I’m in favor of Obama debating McCain. Doesn’t mean I think they’re equivalent.

  280. I just hate arbitrary controversy is all I think. Creationism is a perfectly fine thing for people to believe in.

  281. Palin is against abortion even in cases of rape, or so they just said on TV. Jeff, isn’t the condition of being motherly post-rape what literary theorists describe as “the erosion of being?”

    Teh variable nature of the real makes for strange attractors.

  282. The quote does not contradict my assessment that she equated creationism with evolution, but in fact confirms it.

    …for certain non-standard values of “equate.”

  283. O’Brain,

    Re: the photo of a younger Palin from Rachel Lucas. OMG! What a cutie! Just my type too.

  284. or so they just said on TV.

    Was the TV, you know, on at the time?

  285. - You can pontificate, and bloviate, all you care to Barrett. In the end, both contentions are based on “faith”.

    – I am telling you that as a scientist. Refute me with your dazzling credentials.

  286. OK, BB, then what is your point? That teaching creationism is harmful? I learned that some of the early arrivers here in the Americans believed there was a god that formed man and woman from clay found in a streambed. I don’t think it has harmed me. Actually, I have learned many creation myths in school. So what?

    I don’t see why it hurts anyone except the virulently anti-religious, which really works out to being anti-Christian the vast majority of the time.

  287. And it really doesn’t hurt them either.

  288. It would suck to have a rapist’s baby I think. But that’s why we have abortion available, thor. Sarah P is not in any danger of changing how that works. That is a lot very real without a lot of variability. You can tell cause they said Bush was gonna force women to have babies babies babies, but it’s been eight years and it turns out they were wrong.

  289. The quote does not contradict my assessment that she equated creationism with evolution, but in fact confirms it.

    “Teach both” doesn’t necessarily assert they’re equal.

  290. I said very specifically that she equated it with evolution. Unlike some of the posters here, I am careful with what I write. I’ll check out your link later. Suffice to say, my position is that creationism is not scientific, but if private schools would like to teach it, then that is and ought to be their right.

    Which in its way is a kind of equating, only through the prism of libertarianism, with private entities given broader rights than those public entities to which most children are consigned.

    I don’t think you’ll disagree with my link. But you could easily say that, though I believe as you do, I am guilty of advocating for what Palin advocates for (as depicted in the quote). Which is just my way of reminding you that, if you are truly going to be careful about what you write, you might not want to immediately depict Palin as an enemy of science.

  291. Jeff.
    i SAID anti-abortion == anti-libertarian

    u cannot refute that.

  292. Amanda Venomous Crotch says Palin is an anti-feminist. Seems to me that Palin has it all going on – husband, mother of five, big job, cool hobbies. What says anti-feminist in the mix?

    Oh yeah, one fucking issue. Get off my uterus.

  293. anti-abortion in the face of a constitutional right to abortion is the very essence of libertarianism. You get to hold your own values irrespective of what the government says.

  294. conservatism is the enemy of technological progress and scientific discovery.
    refute that too lol.

    omg Palin is pithed! Creationism shud be taught inschools???????
    lol this is too easy
    wat a bimbo

  295. The other day I discovered that cactus fruit have seeds.

  296. no feets
    the basic right of a citizen to ones own body is the essence of libertarianism.

    anti-abortion == anti-libertarian

  297. Science!

  298. nishi – What do the sufi say about abortion?

  299. and creationism == stupid

  300. Hey. You didn’t read what I wrote. The in the face of a constitutional right to abortion is the important part. People have their own take on things like this, nishi. Can’t have a bunch of locksteppers running around.

  301. Hey. You stole my creationism is stupid line.

  302. Palin is against abortion even in cases of rape, or so they just said on TV. Jeff, isn’t the condition of being motherly post-rape what literary theorists describe as “the erosion of being?”

    I’d say ask her. That’s not my position.

    But it could be she’s one of those nutjobs who thinks of pregnancies as babies — and so would sympathize with rape victims but prefer adoption or a “solution.”

    Still, she has no real say in the matter, other than to add her voice to an ongoing and contentious debate that comes down to the very definition of life and when it begins.

    I do not begrudge anyone their conscience — and so far as she isn’t bombing abortion clinics, neither should you.

    In literary theory, that’s called intellectual heterogeneity. Or at least it would be called such were such a thing still tolerated in the Humanities and social sciences.

  303. i SAID anti-abortion == anti-libertarian

    u cannot refute that.

    Sure you can. Allowing person A to end the life of person B with no penalty is the ultimate failure to respect the rights of person B. You can argue about the point at which person B acquires those rights, but you cannot simply declare those rights non-existent.

  304. i SAID anti-abortion == anti-libertarian

    u cannot refute that.

    See the link I posted, bright girl.

  305. So, let me get this straight, nishi. When they abort that embryo or fetus, that’s just a part of the woman? Like an appendix or 11th finger? Help me out here. Because I don’t think that embryo or fetus is actually a part of the woman’s body.

  306. nishi – Don’t muslims view abortions as haram?

  307. Barrett distracts with:

    You seem to be suffering from a common failing amongst commenters at PW these last several weeks: selective illiteracy. The quote does not contradict my assessment that she equated creationism with evolution, but in fact confirms it.

    Hmm… and your original claim was not just that. It was:
    “Except without, you know, the respect for science and education, as per
    her practice of equating creationism with evolution.”

    So your claim was not merely equating creationism with evolution. You seize upon it as proof, PROOF (wild gesture) that she’s an evil icky-pooper who has no respect for Science™ and *gasp* education!!!

    Let’s go back over the part you skipped:
    “And, you know, I say this, too, as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject — creationism and evolution.
    “It’s been a healthy foundation for me. But don’t be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.”

    That does not appear to indicate a lack of respect for science or education. You were saying something about selective illiteracy?

    (Sad thing is, I almost missed it. I really am tired. I’m also digging up codes for cute symbols like ™ to throw in here.)

  308. lol this is ……..delicious

    sarah palin before
    and after

    see the resemblance?
    lulz

  309. With that being said, I’m very agnostic on abortion as I’m not sure you can prove that that embryo or fetus is vaible outside the womb. I just think the whole “woman’s right to choose what to do with their own body” defense is bullshit, as Idon’t think that “thingI inside them is their body.

  310. “OK, BB, then what is your point? That teaching creationism is harmful? I learned that some of the early arrivers here in the Americans believed there was a god that formed man and woman from clay found in a streambed. I don’t think it has harmed me.”

    You weren’t a woman who was accused of witchcraft, or an Indian who was accused of heresy. You are free to move to Central Africa if you would like to be accused of being a werewolf, witch, or vampire, but I would suggest that you remain here.

    “No, it doesn’t, twist-boy. Being in favor of a debate does not mean that one is “equating” the two sides.”

    She is in favor of teaching both sides in the classroom. Your idea of what the word “equate” can entail is quaint.

    “Which is just my way of reminding you that, if you are truly going to be careful about what you write, you might not want to immediately depict Palin as an enemy of science.”

    Anyone who advocates for teaching non-scientific information as science is an enemy of science.

    “- I am telling you that as a scientist. Refute me with your dazzling credentials.”

    I am telling you what I’m telling you as the author of a book on the philosophy of science which took William Dembski to task for his lies and which William Dembski was unable to refute in any way beyond making assertions about whether or not I have been through puberty, as well as someone who is aware that anyone who thinks that the theory of evolution is “faith” will come up against some pretty stiff resistance from actual biologists who engage in actual biology. I suspect that you are a computer scientist or some such.

  311. before

  312. Nishi —

    You jumped right over my response refuting your correlative, then told me I can’t refute your correlative. To which I answer, true enough — if by “can’t refute” you mean “I refuse to read any refutations.” Otherwise, you’ve been refuted thrice — including links to pro-life libertarians.

  313. - Heh. No response nishidiot – Barrett – Bueller?

    – I don’t blame you.

  314. I think the point is that people who are anti-abortion for sure shouldn’t have one. Sarah P has integrity is what this all adds up to. Integrity is a good thing for a Vice President to have. Heartbeat away and all that.

  315. pfft
    im sayin nuthin about pro-life libertarians jeff

    read my lips

    anti- abortion == anti-libertarian

  316. if Palin is in favor of teachin both sides in the classroom she is also unconstitutional.
    see Kitzmuller, cudlips.

  317. Anyone who advocates for teaching non-scientific information as science is an enemy of science.

    Where did she advocate that? And, no offense, but first causes (and the origin of life) is a philosophical/metaphysical question — not dealt with by Darwinian evolution.

  318. read my lips

    How would that help? It’s your ass you’re speaking out of.

    Barrett —

    You should take a gander at that link of mine.

  319. im sayin nuthin about pro-life libertarians jeff

    read my lips

    anti- abortion == anti-libertarian

    An assertion that has been shown to be characteristically ill-conceived. L4L makes the anti-abortion case with rock-solid libertarian arguments. It all depends on the assumptions one makes.

  320. “That does not appear to indicate a lack of respect for science or education. You were saying something about selective illiteracy?”

    Again, watering down the work of actual scientists who engage in the specific and well-defined scientific method does constitute a lack of respect for science. And her quote:

    “Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject — creationism and evolution.”

    … constitutes an unambiguous declaration that creationism and evolution are simply “sides” of the same subject. She is equating them.

  321. im sayin nuthin about pro-life libertarians jeff

    …except that they don’t exist.

  322. #299 Whatever she wants them to say, today. Tomorrow, maybe different.

  323. hmm….an anti=abortion (even in the case of rape) anti-constitution Stepford Wife style barbie doll.
    her looks may influence the XY but it wont cut it with the XX.
    pack of right bitches is wat we are.
    lol

    see this again
    resemblence?

    lol, its her!

  324. anti- abortion == anti-libertarian

    Oh shit. I think nishi’s got a new meme she’s gonna repeat every third comment.

  325. see the resemblance?
    lulz

    OK. She doesn’t look as hot as she did in 1985 (or whenever that photo Rachel Lucas posted was taken), but she looks better than most 44 year old women. That has to count for something.
    [Looks over shoulder to see if Amanda Marcotte is coming through the door with that ridiculous-looking gun from the Feminste logo]

  326. nishi, McCain didn’t pick Huckabee, which means he can be trusted to pick a good v.p. I think. Sarah P is a good American I think. Also she didn’t go to a hatey black supremacist church, so that’s a plus.

  327. pack of right bitches is wat we are.

    How many are there inside of you? Can I talk to Sybil?

  328. … constitutes an unambiguous declaration that creationism and evolution are simply “sides” of the same subject. She is equating them.

    If the subject is first causes, she’s correct.

    That’s a metaphysical question. If science teachers are broaching that subject from a pure materialist perspective in a science class, they are engaging in materialist propaganda, not science.

  329. gee Jeff…..am i forced to remind u?
    u said…..that intelligent design is CRAP, membah?
    do u want satch learning crap?

  330. Barrett writes again:

    Anyone who advocates for teaching non-scientific information as science is an enemy of science.

    Thank you, Dr. Zaius.

  331. Must go sit in the sun. Back later.

  332. “Where did she advocate that?

    She said, “Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject — creationism and evolution. It’s been a healthy foundation for me. But don’t be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides.”

    Is she not advocating for the teaching of creationism here? This quote was in response to a question about whether creationism ought to be taught alongside evolution.

    ” And, no offense, but first causes (and the origin of life) is a philosophical/metaphysical question — not dealt with by Darwinian evolution.”

    None taken. I am obviously very much aware of that, having written extensively on the subject. But it is Palin herself who is using creationism not as first cause, but as the other “side” of evolution, which is to say she is defining it as a ttpe of “information” regarding the origin of species, not simply the origin of life or first causes.

  333. “I suspect that you are a computer scientist or some such.”

    – Well you would suspect wrong. I am a 45 year experienced Physicist with extensive education in molecular and natural biology. Two undergrad degrees, a Masters,and currently working on My PHD.

    – That aside I will tell you that the two contentions are still both belief systems, and nothing more. If that changes in any serious way I will be the first to embrace new information.

    – To date, the facts on the ground are that for every indicator of support for E there are an embarrassingly large number of counter indicators. When you try to obscure that fact, all you do is weaken your case. I will not be a party to that, either from a scientific, or ethical standpoint. Your ball sport.

  334. She doesn’t look as hot as she did in 1985

    Maybe it’s me getting older, but I think she looks hotter today than in that beauty-pagent pic.

  335. I’ll try again. I wrote that I was voting for Bob Barr. Someone decided that I was lying about that and about being a libertarian. I pointed out that this may be verified by a quick Google search. You criticized me for my alleged expectation that I be judged by way of my body of work and not what I write here. God forbid I offer evidence to offset the latest round of poorly-written slander.

    While it’s an extremely minor point, maybe you should try yet again: I read that somebody opined that you appear to conflict your libertarian self-identy with other comments. Can’t say I disagree. You condemned said opinion by suggesting folks go off-site to see otherwise. I questioned this and that you appear to wish, per #162, to be judged by way of your body of work and not what you write here. You got self-righteous, in my most humble opinion.

    God indeed forbid you offer redirection to try and offset the latest round of poorly-written weaseling, provided that’s what you’re doing. Oh, and slander. The very nerve, etc.

    But it’s a very minor point, to be sure.

  336. do u want satch learning crap?

    99% of everything is crap.

    If Jeff lets Satch read your comments, nishtoon, he’ll be well over his RDA of crap in just a few words.

  337. - Just mentally close the tab after “suc” in the above.

  338. “…except that they don’t exist.”

    Except for, you know, the current Libertarian Party presidential candidate.

    It would be good for you to be aware of what you’re unaware of.

  339. oh this is great.
    i am not worthy.

    Palin is a sextraitor, and an IQtraitor.
    i dont have to feel guilt at all for despising her now.

  340. conservatism is the enemy of technological progress and scientific discovery.
    refute that too lol.

    It’s an opinion, how can it be refuted?

    I believe it’s a poorly reasoned opinion, particularly since, during my lifetime, the primary opposition to technological progress has come from the left. That opposition has been as irrational as any opposition that’s ever come from the right, and has not had the benefit of the weight of the questions “what does it mean to be human” and “when are rights acquired” that opposition from the right has carried.

    For example, opposition to genetically engineered food is largely a lefty phenomena — and their hysteria has led to famines in Africa. Opposition to nuclear power is also a largely lefty phenomena.

    The pseudo-science of anthropogenic human warming is primarily coming from the left (McCain’s embrace of it is one reason I dislike him), particularly when you probe the proposed “solutions” that seem more focused on giving them power to reorganize society the way they want.

    The wild-eyed Creationists — as much as I dislike them — have very, very little real influence in the country. They make a lot of noise, but I’ve never heard of them actually getting a school system to stop teaching biology or to start teaching literal Biblical creationism. In contrast, AGW advocates manage to suppress/defund/defame their critics while failing to adhere to even the most basic elements of open science.

    No political ideology can claim to be the champion of science, and none can be condemned as its enemy. Politics is the art of coming to peaceful agreements about how to manage the elements of society we believe are collective responsibilities rather than individual responsibilities. It touches on science only where folks want to force others to fund research they find abhorrent, and where folks want to end research they find abhorrent.

    And I’m still amused that the self-declared libertarian demands that taxpayers fund her pet research projects. You’re clearly not all that up on the idea of libertarianism, are you?

  341. Fox News is asking some Obama stooge about their dissing Palin for being from a small town and having no experience. They are very circular in their argument. It’s rather amusing.

  342. “But it’s a very minor point, to be sure.”

    Oh, obviously.

  343. No, nishi, you needn’t remind me. But your misunderstanding of my position continues unabated. For my son to know ID is crap as SCIENCE, he must know what science IS. And one way to teach him the difference between science and non-science is to teach him the difference between THEORIES that are scientific by definition, and the more colloquial use of the word “THEORY.”

    As a question of first causes, ID may or may not be my metaphysical bag of tea. But science and metaphysics are realms of inquiry that diverge abruptly — and it is YOU, nishi, who is out of her jurisdiction.

    Mind your manners in the houses of the lords.

  344. “- Well you would suspect wrong. I am a 45 year experienced Physicist with extensive education in molecular and natural biology.”

    What is natural biology?

  345. No abortion in case of rape?
    that is a gift.

    goodbye Stepford Barbie.
    ur ten minutes are up.

  346. nishi is a drooling moron
    refute that lulz

  347. her looks may influence the XY but it wont cut it with the XX.
    pack of right bitches is wat we are.
    lol

    Nishi,
    Didn’t you once admit to me that you were supporting Obama at least partly because you thought he was good-looking?

  348. - You don’t know what nature is. Zoology, biology, flora and fauna, and you argue in the field of Evolution?

    – Apparently theres a slight dent in your brainpan.

  349. Still waiting for the Sufi/Islam rulings on abortion.

  350. the more i learn about her the more i dislike her.
    its fine i guess to inflict a lifetime sentence of genetic deformatity on your offspring..that is your choice, and after all, children ARE property.
    but to deny a first trimester abortion to the [quite possibly underaged] victim of rape?????????

    fuck off Stepford Barbie
    u deserve wat im gonna do to you.

  351. “- You don’t know what nature is. Zoology, biology, flora and fauna, and you argue in the field of Evolution?”

    Weren’t you trying to pass yourself off as a stockbroker a few weeks back? Didn’t you say you worked in “the pit”?

  352. Apparently, being a photogenic candidate (a drum nishi banged for MONTHS) only matters if you are male. Is that what you are arguing? Women will only vote for a hag?

  353. None taken. I am obviously very much aware of that, having written extensively on the subject. But it is Palin herself who is using creationism not as first cause, but as the other “side” of evolution, which is to say she is defining it as a ttpe of “information” regarding the origin of species, not simply the origin of life or first causes.

    I don’t know that she’s doing this. As I said, it’s possible she is. But generally when this kind of question is posed to “conservatives” it is not particularly nuanced. So the answer need not be, either.

    If Palin advocates teaching creationism as a scientific variant to origin of species, than I would disagree with that position, and respectfully submit that there is no scientific basis for doing so. But I don’t get that from the question — just as, in my link, I didn’t get that from the question asked of Bush.

    These are gotcha questions, and skilled politicians leave outs.

    I’m not convinced the daughter of a science teacher didn’t leave one here.

  354. Local Alaskan tv report nails Palin lying about firing scandal. What was McCain thinking?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojMnCgqVA

  355. Palin is a sextraitor, and an IQtraitor.

    You’ll have to define those two terms, queefcrest, because no one else in the history of the universe has used them.

    And, seriously, if you mean what I think you mean, you’re not a libertarian, you’re like the “Scientific Reform Society” from Tom Baker’s first episode of Dr. Who — a fascist who thinks a smattering of education and a title makes you fit to run everyone else’s life.

  356. the more i learn about her the more i dislike her.

    Knock me over with a feather. I thought you were headed over to Kos to convert the mouth-breathers.

  357. lol carin….a photogenic candidate OF TEH OPPOSITE SEX.
    wat ar u, schtuuuuupid or sumpin?

    oh u cudlips are gonna get it!

    lol ;)

  358. “u deserve wat im gonna do to you.”

    – nishidiot. You’re powerless to do anything to anyone. Just as powerless as the Left are, and still will be, after November.

  359. Now, off to sun myself. Really. I’m not rehearsing this argument yet again.

  360. And WTF is a “cudlip”?

  361. Fuck Off Stepford Barbie

    thass gonna be my title, lol
    hmmm…..wait……i bet Markos wont allow profanity in the title lol

  362. Now, off to sun myself. Really. I’m not rehearsing this argument yet again.

    And I’m off to enjoy my new car! WHOOHOOO!!!!

  363. u deserve wat im gonna do to you

    She’s…she’s going to fill up Jeff’s comments threads between now and the election with infantile drivel, that’s what she’s going to do.

    That’ll show sex/IQ/racetraitor Palin, evidently. If only we can figure out how to make Palin care.

  364. I don’t think anyone has mentioned her closing the deal for the some large (billions of $s) natural gas pipeline? How about being governor of a state that shares a boundary with RUSSIA (Who claims the Arctic as theirs …). A commerical fishing family who deals with nasty weather and stuff and therefore knows the US Coast Guard and the US Navy. And how about the Steelworkers Union memberships? And turning down the bridge to nowhere? And SELLING the Alaskan governor’s jet (on eBay, for a profit, I hear) because it was a waste?)

    Not your normal bakesale mom, I’d say …

  365. there is no argument Jeff

    anti-abortion == anti-libertarian

  366. #351 As if Palin will ever notice what you’re gonna try to do to her.

  367. I’m sure your devastating satire on dKos will convince all the Kos Kidz to vote for Obama twice. Maybe ACORN will help with that.

  368. “Didn’t you say you worked in “the pit”?”

    – I did not “pass myself off” as anything, and yes I did work for a time in “the pit”

    – I suppose if you come from an ideology that discourages initiative, self-improvement, and multiple interests as you apparently do, you’d see life as a one note song.

    – That may be your problem, but try to understand others are not so self-limited and under motivated.

    – Now back to the topic at hand. Try to focus.

  369. hmmm…..wait……i bet Markos wont allow profanity in the title lol

    No profanity? At dKos???

    You ARE from a different planet, aren’t you, Nish?

  370. For all your claimed intelligence, nishi, you bring absolutely nothing to this political debate. You make thor look good.

  371. @ #339: Nishtoon said she was saying “nothing” about pro-life libertarians. I pointed out SHE was saying they don’t exist.

    You like to lecture about reading comprehension…

  372. Jeff needs a better class of troll.

  373. Aldo, they are already gonna vote O.
    as are all the youth demographic with un-pollable non-landlines.

    i just wanna make big fun of Stepford Barbie ;)

  374. Uh-huh. About how old are you, sir?

  375. well….as long as i continue to make u look stupid carin, cher, do i care?

    bite me.
    ;)

  376. I think Karl and Happyfeet have both stated that polls are weighted for cell or copper-line differences. Please inform me if I’m mistaken.

  377. - About 70, give or take a few days.

    – And that has exactly what to do with E?

    – Or is that some clever Neo-nuanced way to engage in debate. Um…Sir…..btw….you wouldn’t play the banjo by any chance would you?

  378. Trooper-Gate. Special prosecutor endorsed by Dem, firing of (allegedly) abusive BIL. Is that about it?

    Palin says she didn’t pressure. Fired dude said he “felt pressured.” Much ado about nothing — but let’s see how much this story gets flogged by the MSM. In direct inverse to the Ayers / CAC story Kurtz is digging into, I’ll bet. But by all means, investigate.

    Maybe some national journos other than Kurtz will learn a lesson from the local Alaskan press.

  379. Everybody got their Troll stamps? Bag limit is 5 this year.

  380. i just wanna make big fun of Stepford Barbie ;)

    Have fun Nishi. You obviously have a lot more free time on your hands than I do. Speaking of which, I have to get back to work. Thanks for dropping in here today. I always enjoy the Nishi threads.

  381. Does that include bow season?

  382. Jeff needs a better class of troll.

    Maybe we can get alphie back from Hot Air

  383. - Cheney, that rascal, hogs them all. Particularly if they’re lawyers.

  384. Sarah Palin is a chicken coming home to roost. I do hope Baracky likes chicken.

  385. - thor seems to be absent from this thread. Prolly his parents threw him out of the basement for the day so his mom could clean up the mountain dew cans and twinkies wrappers.

  386. None taken. I am obviously very much aware of that, having written extensively on the subject. But it is Palin herself who is using creationism not as first cause, but as the other “side” of evolution, which is to say she is defining it as a ttpe of “information” regarding the origin of species, not simply the origin of life or first causes.

    When you consider that global warming is caused by humans is being taught as fact, then you’ll have to admit they are only competing philosophies. Earth science being taught as religion. Yeah. that’s right.

  387. Your idea of what the word “equate” can entail is quaint.

    Your idea of what the word “equate” means is, simply, wrong.

    Nice try, though.

  388. #

    Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 8/29 @ 3:37 pm #

    – thor seems to be absent from this thread. Prolly his parents threw him out of the basement for the day so his mom could clean up the mountain dew cans and twinkies wrappers.

    Do say “hello” to your Dads for me.

  389. - Oh. There you are thor. Blogging from the back porch today thor-boy?

  390. I don’t know why the collective here can’t figure out they done got their toast buttered by our good soldier Johnny Mac. Toast, buttered, served greasy and dripping.

    You aren’t going to just lose, you’re going to get de-boned and humped like an empty skin suit.

    Jeezus, the chick ain’t qualified to be a Fox News weather girl much less Veep or, in case of an unfortunate act of God, the President of the United States of America. Palin is a man-made disaster on birth legs.

    You got what you want, R-wingered chicken-lip flappers. Don’t say I didn’t tell you so.

  391. If we had gotten what we’d wanted, McCain wouldn’t be the one making the choice.

    And really, maybe if you stopped “telling us” and engaged in actual debate instead, more people would find you of interest.

    But hey. It’s your dime.

  392. “Don’t say I didn’t tell you so.”

    – Yes. you’ve spent months telling us all the reasons why an empty suit bynbres runner from s. Chicago is “dah man”, and how zero experience, in this case much less than Palin, is so very unimportant for the position of PONTUS.

    – But now, of course, suddenly thats the only thing thats important for VP. And shes a wimmins, OMG.

    – The Big tents sort of “inclusion”, no sexism there. Not at all.

    – Excuse me thor. I think your teeth are sinking in your own ass.

  393. If we had gotten what we’d wanted, McCain wouldn’t be the one making the choice.

    Can I get an Amen? AMEN!

    And yet, here we are. Our choices are to not vote for either candidate (which I still am on the fence about, but this pick may bring me off that fence) or take things as they come and vote for the progressive presidential candidate of our choice. I think most of the convincing left to be done around here is whether or not to vote for McCain. I respect both positions.

  394. You’re right poppa india, nishi knows the cell-only thing isn’t a big deal I think. Sarah Palin is someone I wouldn’t underestimate. Nobody owns her like Joey is owned by unions and trial lawyers. That’s a good thing for all of us I think. This is just a great day to be an American I think. Everyone should smile.

  395. How, exactly, is Baracky qualified to be not VP, but POTUS, thor? You never answered that one.

  396. well….as long as i continue to make u look stupid carin, cher, do i care?

    bite me.

    Only in some alternate universe do you ever make anyone here look stupid.

    And, I’m afraid to bite you. I could catch something.

  397. I think most of the convincing left to be done around here is whether or not to vote for McCain. I respect both positions.

    Baracky has done most of the convincing for me. To vote for McCain.

  398. Now it’s all down to the trickle down. Whatever is left in Obama’s bladder, at least you’ll have that to look forward to swim in.

    “Success is getting what you want. Happiness is wanting what you get.”

    You either got your want or what you’re gettin’. Now it’s just a matter of time and trickle.

  399. - And btw, for thor, and any of the Left trolls that come here with the Narrative, you need to do a better job of keeping up with Party talking points memo’s. O! and Biden have already issued much more sensible statements concerning Palins nomination.

    – In fact, when asked about the conflict between the early knee-jerk petty, amgrystatement put out by his campaign, and the more moderate and somewhat complimentary versions of his and Biden’s, his answer sounded like maybe a few Obamasmurfs have already been used as test crash dummies.

    – Kind of embarrassing – that.

  400. I’m surprised to see nishi back here. The only reason I can think of is that the pick of Palin has her prog-sodden brain all in a tizzy.

  401. You better hurry over to dKos, nishfong, the shit is getting deep quick over there.
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/29/17933/7330/417/579267

  402. Palin on ID/Creationism:

    In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

    “I don’t think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn’t have to be part of the curriculum.”

    She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state’s required curriculum.

    Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.

    “I won’t have religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism,” Palin said.

    from LGF.

  403. Yay! NPR has two Katrina stories today! I never get tired of hearing about that plucky little hurricane. You can stream it online and listen over and over!

  404. Katrina is the little hurricane that could… be used as a bludgeon over and over and over again.

  405. - #402

    – You have to love the way Kos does ledes. Strident statements of “fact”. Then you read the post and its all supposition.

    – Rumors spread, red meat delivered. Another day of avoiding dirty politics for the Kossack community.

  406. I’ve read the first hundred or so comments and had to skip down to say this

    Nishi has proved again her sociopathic, Dr. Mengele bona fides. Thor’s misogyny is as breathtaking as a serial killer’s profile.

    Both of them self-pithed their decency centers.

  407. aw, the day’s complete now that nishfong’s made her baseless accusations. keep pressing that (non)case!!!! THERE WILL BE A CONVICTION!!!!

  408. They’ve really lost it over there, haven’t they?

  409. Darleen, you’ve missed all the fun.

  410. BTW I’ve got a radio in my office and enjoyed listening to McCain’s introduction and Palin’s acceptance speech. She’s a dynamo that is going to rock Plagarizing Joe on his heels.

    But I gotta laugh, camp Obama has been sending out his Citizens Brigade to try and swamp the callin radio lines … I keep hearing the same nasty lines, over and over, verbatim. They start out thusly

    “I’m a life long Republican and I’m sorely disappointed in Sen. McCain’s choice for VP ….”

  411. Don’t worry Carin, I’m going to read the whole thread.

    Maybe it’s a good thing I cannot participate from work…

  412. I don’t know why the collective here can’t figure out they done got their toast buttered by our good soldier Johnny Mac.

    Well, that’s a really interesting opinion, thor, but I don’t know why you can’t figure out that selecting Palin actually proves the point that winning in American politics might have less to do with reasonable government within a long-term, self-responsible, mature, minimalist, hands-off, freely-speaking, honest, “originalist”, constitutional, classically liberal, confident ethic than it does playing to strategic political correctness.

    Because whoever she may be, the Palin-card brilliantly plays right back in the face of all that faux-sexism the left thought it invented an most holy solution for. Please feel free to look it at that way.

    You, local always-wrong poster-boy for that leftweasel ilk, done got your ideological toast buttered by our good soldier Johnny Mac and that pisses you off. I asked you any number of times — including in a post dedicated to just that cause — to finally delve deep into the real organic, authentic, driving leftist principle that finally justifies the ostensible leftist identity and purpose.

    Crickets. Well crickets and dead Italian romantics. And today we find what a sexist you really are.

    Assuming free government shit isn’t it, what with all the reframing of reality that entails, then what is the real meat on the bones of leftism that so by their very elegance and honor and nobleness, negate the choice of a young, dynamic, successful, female VP because she’s not a leftist?

    Or we could talk fishing.

  413. “Seems to me that Palin has it all going on – husband, mother of five, big job, cool hobbies.”

    Ahhh, a Heinleinian feminist.

    No wonder that leftist heads are exploding.

  414. “Comment by quellcrist falconer on 8/29 @ 2:42 pm #

    conservatism is the enemy of technological progress and scientific discovery.”

    You’re a illiterate ignoramus.

    Or an ignoranus.

    Both stupid AND an asshole.

  415. The Repubs are done. House, Senate and now the White House, and the Repubs still can’t figure why they lost all three. It’s gonna be awhile until the Repubs will be anything but loser toast. The depth of this type of denialism takes a long time to cure.

    I want my money back from McCain. What a total nut.

  416. - I’d vote for just plain ignoramus.

    – nishi, like thor, seems like a very “plain” sort of ignoramus.

  417. Nishi is a serial killer wannabe … what most feverent eugenists are who demand to practice their “improve the breed science” under no ethical constraints.

    They are the kids who enjoyed dousing cats in lighterfluid and watching them burn.

    I wonder what nishi’s juvenile jacket looks like?

  418. Yay! NPR has two Katrina stories today! I never get tired of hearing about that plucky little hurricane. You can stream it online and listen over and over!

    The port side and MSM are salivating over the potential of another hurricane and resultant Mad Max-esque stories they can write, but I think reality will bite them in the ass: Jindal will not fuck up like Blanco did, and he isn’t going to hesitate to steamroll Mayor Chocolate City if he pulls a repeat of 2005. The story will be how well Louisiana did with a Republican in Baton Rouge in contrast with the Democrat’s performance.

  419. me think thor (and nishi) doth protest too much. Honestly, their inability to recognize what a good pick Palin is (even if they don’t like her/ or wouldn’t vote for the ticket) simply shows how far gone they are.

    If O! had picked Hillary, I would have (at least) been able to recognize what a formidable ticket it would have been.

  420. I want my money back from McCain.

    You, the fellow who has to spend hours each day pulling Obama’s pubes from between his teeth, has donated to McCain’s campaign?

    Yeah. Right.

  421. “I wonder what nishi’s juvenile jacket looks like?”

    – The same one Michael Keaton wore in “Beetlejuice”?

  422. 417. The funny thing about those two cretins is their lame attempts at impressing people with their pseudo-edgy intellects. Name dropping obscure authors, crafting mind-numbingly stupid attempts at literary panache with their insults, etc. You know thor goes back and whacks off at his own pedestrian creations and yet nobody is impressed in the least bit at such self-indulgence. You cut through the middle school level efforts at incisive critique and you find just a run of the mill dickless asshole who plows a blowup babushka from russiandollsfordouchebags.com.

  423. Democrats are probably cobbling together the campaign ad right now… but the AP does it for them! Way to cut out the middleman I think.

  424. The depth of this type of denialism takes a long time to cure.

    You wordsmith, you. So wow, that’s two concessions in one day, and the latest one so flustered even the bullshit’s fractured. I do love Fridays.

    So, thor, deep sea or light tackle? I hear the tarpon are a gas.

  425. but I think reality will bite them in the ass: Jindal will not fuck up like Blanco did, and he isn’t going to hesitate to steamroll Mayor Chocolate City if he pulls a repeat of 2005. The story will be how well Louisiana did with a Republican in Baton Rouge in contrast with the Democrat’s performance.

    yeah, RTO just told me he’s already been put on warning by the National Guard.

  426. Honestly, their inability to recognize what a good pick Palin is (even if they don’t like her/ or wouldn’t vote for the ticket) simply shows how far gone they are.

    It’s not enough for the modern left to disagree; they must destroy. That means they cannot — must not — recognize any value in their enemies.

    That’s why I have no doubt Obama’s supporters — if not folks close to the campaign itself — will take nishi’s tack against Palin.

  427. Happyfeet said it for me: things were getting too creepy for this cowboy. Now, with Palin on board, I’m heaving a big sigh of relief.

    BTW: I’m toolin’ around Northern Arizona along the I-40 corridor, and everywhere I look I see shoppers, contractors going to jobs, highway construction racing ahead full-steam. Maybe I’m missing something here – and we’re all in a terrible depression as the Dem’s say, but all I see is a lot of ‘Mericans doing a lot of transactin,’ driving, touristing, home-building, you name it. Growth’s picking up steam left and right around here.

    ‘Course, I don’t got no degree or nuthin’, so, I could just be wrong about this. Not sure, tho.

    Maybe its just the rusty cities that are really hurtin.’ Maybe their business plan’s got some burs in its hair. ‘N maybe folks should consider movin’ to a greener pasture, like a smart cow will – that is if there ain’t a fence in her way.

    Just sayin’s all.

  428. Name dropping obscure authors, crafting mind-numbingly stupid attempts at literary panache with their insults, etc.

    Clarity in expression takes more thought than verbosity. Thor and nishi are two sides of the same coin — people so impressed with themselves they refuse to contemplate that they may have limitations.

  429. “….Jindal will not fuck up like Blanco did”

    – She fucked up purely from political partisan impulse. She refused Bush’s offer of Declaration of Emergency powers and early National guard support. That is documented. Of course Bush continues to be blamed for the “six day” wait by the Left.

    – Jindal has already set the conditiond for delaration of emerhency and has the National guards of 4 states at the ready to go in as soon as possible, post storm.

    – No. He isn’t about to make the same mistakes as the DimDonkey, Blanco.

  430. They’re slow-walking putting up the new storage units on Ventura. I think unions are involved and lots of ordinances is why. But Target is always packed.

  431. - Umm….feets. I’m just South of you, and even I don’t know what thats all about.

  432. My oh my, talk about the Left staying classy

    Kosskiddie claims that the 5th baby is NOT Sarah’s but her daughter’s and Palin is “covering up” about it.

  433. hyperlocal. It’s the future.

  434. “#Comment by Carin on 8/29 @ 3:21 pm #

    For all your claimed intelligence, nishi, you bring absolutely nothing to this political debate. You make thor look good.”

    Ooof, that’s gonna leave a mark.

  435. Kosskiddie claims that the 5th baby is NOT Sarah’s but her daughter’s and Palin is “covering up” about it.

    Charming group of people.

    And even if it were true, so what?

  436. “Comment by Aldo on 8/29 @ 3:32 pm #

    I always enjoy the Nishi threads.”

    You stop and stare at car wrecks, too, don’t you?

  437. awww c’mon…..palin has ZERO cred to be CinC, cudlips.
    creationist == stupid
    anti-abortion == anti-libertarian
    religion-in-the-classroom == anti-constitution
    she a token.

    lol check out Ponnuru

    Stepford Barbie is super-unqualified for bein CinC/Potus

  438. Rob

    It’s the “cover up”, it’s the “dishonesty” it’s the:

    Normally I’d say this is a totally private issue for them, but seeing as how she’s quite willing to butt into the private lives of every other American woman, I think it’s fair game.

    Yeah, RIGHT. Like they were going to be nice and fair about Palin under any circumstance.

  439. I see the serial killer wannabe is still around.

  440. I see the serial killer wannabe is still around.

    I doubt nishi sees people as important enough to get the thrill serial killers get.

  441. - Yet more good news for the Obamasmurfs:

    – “John Edwards said today that he intends to end his isolation. He is scheduled to speak at Hofstra University next month. Insiders say the speech theme will focus on “Family values”.”

    – Maybe he should change that title to “Multiple Family values”.

  442. Ramesh is always lubed up and ready for action.

  443. “John Edwards said today that he intends to end his isolation. He is scheduled to speak at Hofstra University next month. Insiders say the speech theme will focus on “Family values”.”

    Which family? The one he cheated on, the one his cheating created, or the one he let take the rap for his cheating?

  444. I think nishi is freaking because Palin has so much of what she has none of.

  445. “Stepford Barbie is super-unqualified for bein CinC/Potus

    – Which makes uberHomeboy qualified for what? Cabana-boy?

    – Thats a disastrous argument nishidiot. O! has already publicly denounced that talking point.

    – The Left needs to stay a galaxy away from the word “experience”.

  446. “Comment by Darleen on 8/29 @ 5:03 pm #

    I wonder what nishi’s juvenile jacket looks like?”

    Canvas.

    Long arms.

    Strings that tie in the back.

  447. David Duchovny has so much more dignity than John Edwards. If you’d asked me last week I would have said the other way. But no.

  448. Ever heard of “blowback?”

    Blowhard.

  449. Inch worm humping away at a Suburban… “suffer bitch”

  450. As if the derangement of the kos kiddies and their private life trutherism with the down syndrome kid, but down syndrome is much more likely in the child of a mother over age 40. Ockham’s razor says the baby is hers, and that the kos poster is a turd.

    So, I always kinda thought of Thor as someone who doesn’t really believe what he posts, just an agent provocateur. I’m kinda changing my mind and thinking of him more as the asshole in the bar who adopts a fake british accent to pick up drunk chicks twenty-five years younger than him, but just ends up pissing on himself after he gets turned down the fourteenth time in a night. An incompetent cockblocker, if you will.

  451. Bleh, that’ll teach me to edit a bit more before I post. It should read “…trutherism with the down syndrome kid needs to be addressed, but…”

  452. It is very simple for matoko. She is a eugenist. Those who are unfit to live shouldn’t live. Gov. Palin decided not to abort a Downs Syndrome child.

    For Dr. Meng…I mean, matoko, that means Gov. Palin is a personal enemy. She did not abort a genetic freak. The unfit are left alive and they may out-breed (note matoko’s obsession with breeder-bot) the geneticaly pure.

    Given matoko’s avowed stances, she is a very dangerous girl – one who should not be given any power over another. She is a true authoritarian.

    thor is just a lying McCarthyite. When he isn’t drinking – when he is he is a mean lying McCarthyite. Says a lot abut Sen. Obama that his most vocal supporters here are like that.

    So…Jeff. You did prod your pet specimins. How high did they jump?

  453. Ramesh doesn’t quite get it

    The majority of voters out there are NOT political afficinados. They do NOT follow all the “inside baseball” stuff we do. Ramesh is Vizzini outmanuevering himself (the “safe” choice).

    McCain went with the bold choice. A “safe” choice would have Obama in the White House, or McCain winning by such a thin margin as to ensure 4 years of screaming by the Left (“we was robbed”) that would make the “selected not elected” shitstorm look like a gentle summer rain.

    Palin has so many appealing qualities and a genuiness of personal story that independents and women who identify with her story will get excited about.

    The attacks on Palin based on her being a WOMAN (why isn’t she home with her children? etc) are going to create a lot of loathing towards the Obama camp, especially since they’ve already shown their sour grapes with nasty comments right out the gate – a sharp contrast with McCain’s sincere congratulatory ad towards Obama yesterday.

    For the vast majority of voters now starting to pay attention to Nov. Palin is like a cleansing spring rain… she’s every tomboy who grew to a woman/wife/mom’s dream … tough, gritty, loving, intelligent, fearless, and NOT an “inside the Beltway” wheeler-dealer.

    The VP spot is a perfect place for her … on the job training for eventual presidency.

    and understand this…. Palin’s pick is going to also ensure Hill & Bill doing the LEAST possible campaigning for O! they can get away with. Hill wants to run in 2012 and she knows Dems will nominate her to run against a Republican woman nominee.

  454. “Cass Sunstein is a University of Chicago conservative.”

    Bullshit, you putz. My wife is a U of C professor, and I am here to tell you that Sunstein is a left-winger, big time. Look up his CHICAGO TRIBUNE columns if you doubt me.

  455. Hey, if he’s elected, will Obama demand that he be addressed as “Pontius Potus”.

  456. Swede likey.

  457. SBP

    Nishi hates being a woman; not that she’d want to be a man either. She’s just anti-breeding the oldfashioned way.

    She a genitalphobic.

    She’s love to outlaw sex altogether and just breed supersexlessbeings in the laboratory.

  458. lol i love sex…..its u godbot prudes that are freaked by it.
    especially sex with young grrls.
    u totally dont unnerstand that is just hardwiring left over from the EEA.

    kk, Aldo, Jeff……tell me that u honestly think palin is qualified to be president of the united states.

    Stepford Barbie For President!

  459. -#454

    – Yeh. Looking down the road to 2012, is a possible “all ladies” ticket in the works.

  460. “Sarah Palin: Ronald Reagen in a skirt”

    -Rachel Lucas blog……again.

  461. But Sarah P wasn’t rejected by the voters for the office twice. People have already been really clear they don’t want Joey Hairplugs near the White House. These are Democrats even.

  462. It is disturbing to hear people like matoko and thor rattle on. It is reassuring that they have so few supporters here for all their rattlings. Barrett, for as much as I may disagree with him, is no matoko, nor is he a thor.

    And Barrett – that is a compliment; you have sense and are not a bludgeoning bully or a frustrated eugenist.

    God/Allah/personal being of your choice – save us from the latter two.

  463. Old Time Hockey, Mom !!!

  464. President is head of the executive branch, nishfong. Who has the most executive experience of Palin, McCain, Obama and Biden?

  465. supporters

  466. kk, Aldo, Jeff……tell me that u honestly think palin is qualified to be president of the united states.

    No, two years as Alaska’s governor is not enough to be President. That’s why she’ll be Veep, and in four years will run for President.

    OTOH, a few months in the Senate and a couple of years running for President makes one even less qualified to be President. Are you hoping Obama dies in office, Nish, and Biden takes over?

  467. crickets
    Jeff and Aldo cant justify the choice.
    shes fluff.

    Stepford Barbie ;)

  468. - nishi, how much does it taken of having your brains kicked in before you get the word. Your own candidate is telling you to STFU with the “experience” thing.

    – You know, you can be an idiotarian asshole without being the sexless ugly queen of assholes.

    – As far as loving sex, the only type of social misfit I could see taking you up on free sex (it would have to be free unless HE demanded payment), would be pimple faced geeks at Star Trek conventions, and only then if you promised him carefare home afterwards.

  469. Oh. It’s Sarah P, B Moe. She’s all about being in charge. Undaunted and fearless, she is. Baracky has never actually been responsible for anything ever. It’s quite a contrast.

  470. thing 1…..McCain OLD, havent u heard?
    an yah, i think Biden is a tad more qualified than Stepford Barbie.

  471. McCain, then Palin.

  472. Oooo…female dem “stragist” on O’Reilly getting hysterical over Palin!!

    Get the popcorn guys… the Leftcult is SCARED shitless

    just like nishi is of her own genitals

  473. Cass Sunstein is a University of Chicago conservative.”

    Bullshit, you putz. My wife is a U of C professor, and I am here to tell you that Sunstein is a left-winger, big time. Look up his CHICAGO TRIBUNE columns if you doubt me.

    I think Thomas was saying that Sunstein is as Conservative as they get at U of C.

    And, you will note that BB never came back with those conservatives praising O!

  474. Darleen @ 454 is spot-on, especially about the Clintons. This was the only real choice McCain could make that had a chance to reinvigorate the base and at the same time take a shot at getting former Clinton supporters. Palin still has to prove some things in what will be a hostile media environment the next two months. If she holds her own though, then Obama/Biden is probably toast.

  475. Palin could outshoot O! on the basketball court

    She hunts, fishes …

    Drop nishi and Palin in the Alaska wilderness .. Palin would trek out wrapped in the skin of a bear she had killed herself

    nishi would be back in the woods, part of the droppings of the bear Palin killed.

  476. lol i love sex…..its u godbot prudes that are freaked by it.
    especially sex with young grrls.

    Erm. Yes, I am freaked about sex with young girls. I have a ten year old daughter, and if anyone has sex with her in the next six years I’ll prolly cause them bodily harm.

    But, the whole “conservative women don’t like sex” is a myth. Believe me.

  477. an yah, i think Biden is a tad more qualified than Stepford Barbie.

    And is Biden more qualified than Obama?

    Quit avoiding the issue, nish.

  478. Comment by Jack Klompus on 8/29 @ 5:10 pm #

    417. The funny thing about those two cretins is their lame attempts at impressing people with their pseudo-edgy intellects. Name dropping obscure authors, crafting mind-numbingly stupid attempts at literary panache with their insults, etc. You know thor goes back and whacks off at his own pedestrian creations and yet nobody is impressed in the least bit at such self-indulgence. You cut through the middle school level efforts at incisive critique and you find just a run of the mill dickless asshole who plows a blowup babushka from russiandollsfordouchebags.com

    Ah, the r-wing seething has a renewed fury. What’s it now, have the rumors started that I knock little Sarah Palin to the ground and jumped up and down on her belly? Has it been said I sailed through the air and boxed her ears and flicked her nose until it gushed loads of blood onto her bare bound feet? Did she tap out after I erupted in a rage of torturous headlocks, hotcombs and strangleholds in your name-calling machinations?

    Sarah Palin is a full-blown four-eyed quack. I didn’t make her one. She just is.

  479. - If the Lefturds keep chasing this loser meme of “no experience”, as it slowly destroys their own candidates whole game plan, it will be a definite give-away they have nothing else to run with.

    – Yes Darleen. I watched that. She got her head handed to her when she tried to get away with quoting a so called interview comment by Palin which was not recorded, then went on to say that HillBots everywhere were insulted that Palin mentioned Hillery.

    – They are desperately reaching for anything they can find.

  480. i think Biden is a tad more qualified than Stepford Barbie.

    Why? What has he been responsible for that trumps Palin? On the domestic front, what is the difference between being a Mayor, a Governor or a President other than the amount of zeroes after the numbers?

  481. Dave E

    I’ve heard so much today from people who were just luke warm about McCain that are now talking about getting yard signs and bumperstickers and donating to the campaign.

    Palin doesn’t have to get all the Hillary voters… just a small percentage of the PUMAS — say ones who are also working moms or moms with special needs kids — will be enough to turn the tide.

  482. Go to your room thor, nishfong is bringing plenty of stupid on this thread, save yours for later.

  483. Sarah Palin is a full-blown four-eyed quack. I didn’t make her one. She just is

    That’s some high-grade stupid right there, thor. I’m four eyed; so I guess you can use that with any future insults directed at my direction. TWF does that have to do with anything?

    She is a quack because ….

    finish the sentence.

  484. thor

    You are an indecent meshugganah schmuck. And a true woman-hater to boot.

    seek.help.

  485. i quite admire Palin.
    but that wont prevent me from mocking her or demonizing her at dKos.

    its wat i do.
    lol

    In 2007, Doctor Ken Yuasa testified to the Japan Times that, “I was afraid during my first vivisection, but the second time around, it was much easier. By the third time, I was willing to do it.”

    Indeed, ‘zono.

  486. - thor, your polemic yammering is just boring. Don’t you have a lawn that needs cutting or something useful thor-boy. Remember O!’s admonitions. Service boy, service! Get your slacker ass busy and do something useful.

  487. darleen, i advocate the Reihan Plan.
    sex education in schools, easy access to birthcontrol and guaranteed first trimester abortion on demand.
    i think teenagers should have recreational protected sex with peer age individuals..as much as they want.
    i think everyone should have more sex.

  488. With that mouth ?

  489. I just can’t get over what an awesome choice McCain made. She wants to actually drill our energies so we don’t have to buy as much from Saudi Arabia and Venezuela. McCain, he sees far sometimes I think.

  490. Darleen-Yeah, this has really gotten the attention of the “shit sandwich” crowd. And if she holds her own in the next few weeks I bet a significant number of PUMAS vote to break the glass ceiling in anticipation of 2012.

  491. nishi

    you have obvious mental problems and they are manifested in your absolute hatred of women and children.

    You need to be seen by professionals.

    I fear for your neighbors or any child within your sphere of influence.

  492. how about this scenario, lol?

    Ancient cartoon character kicks in office.
    russia rolls into georgia, and the creationist cheerleader has to go up against Putin, the Demonoverlord of Consummate Evil.

    Stepford Barbie vs Megatron……or maybe Bambi and Godzilla.

  493. Baracky wants us to buy buy buy from states that support terrorism. Baracky doesn’t see so far. Him wants to be pezzydent is about as far as he sees I think.

  494. Vivisections were performed on prisoners after infecting them with various diseases. Scientists performed invasive surgery on prisoners, removing organs to study the effects of disease on the human body. These were conducted while the patients were alive because it was feared that the decomposition process would affect the results.[13][10] The infected and vivisected prisoners included men, women, children, and infants.[14]

    Yo, ‘zono.

  495. russia rolls into georgia, and the creationist cheerleader has to go up against Putin, the Demonoverlord of Consummate Evil.

    Let’s see, Putin versus a woman who has hunted big game in a ruthless climate, who worked on a commercial fishing boat in sub-zero seas, or a guy who has taken some charges on a basketball court and organized communities. Tough choice, that one.

  496. oh. Baracky wouldn’t be very good at defending our interests if guns were involved. He has an absolute terror of guns. He can hardly go get gas in his car anymore.

  497. “Stepford Barbie vs Megatron……or maybe Bambi and Godzilla.”

    – Yeh. “Beauty and the Beast”. We’ve seen the movie nishi. The Beast ends up as a pile of bird food and glue making road kill in the middle of 42nd avenue.

  498. All that talk about women being equals? We had no idea you were taking that seriously

  499. You were supposed to be 500.

  500. Surprise !!!

  501. Insty has a comment up that warms my heart:

    “It will complete the alienation of the rest of the Hillary supporters from the Obama camp. How? That’s easy — the Obamabots will do it themselves. Go read the Washington Post blog or anywhere online where the Palin pick is being discussed, and you’ll see the trademark Obama misogyny already out in full force. She’s been on the ticket for two seconds and already the Obamabots are saying she ‘looks like a porn star,’ they’re making rude remarks about her childbearing, they’re ridiculing her intelligence.”

    Please, Nish, more and more publicly. Can you find a megaphone or a TV camera nearby?

  502. Laura Roslin was tough as nails on those Ceylon thingers. She sees one and she’s like throw that thing in an airlock. Every time. Sarah I think would be a lot like that. Also, sensitive and wise.

  503. russia rolls into georgia

    nishi hasn’t been paying attention…Putin’s thugs are already there.

  504. Executive Experience of the Democratic Ticket:

    SEN Barack Obama: *
    SEN Joeseph Biden: *

    Executive Experience of the Republican Ticket:

    SEN John McCain: Staff Officer–Naval Air Basic Training Command–1963
    Flight Instructor–1964
    Navy Combat Pilot–USS Forrestal–1966
    Air Section Commander–USS Oriskany–1967
    Squadron Executive Officer–1975
    Squadron Commander–1976
    Senate Liaison Officer–Navy Office of Legislative Affairs–1977
    Director, Senate Liaison Office–Navy Office of Legislative Affairs–1979
    GOV Sarah Palin: Mayor–Wasila, AK–1996
    Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission–2003
    Governor of Alaska–2006

  505. On a previous discussion I said I wouldn’t want to put a McCain bumpersticker on my car. That’s still true. A McCain-Palin sticker however will go on. Screw anyone that thinks of keying my car over that.

  506. “Stepford Barbie vs Megatron”

    This where the left gets all of this screwed up. At that level what it takes is will and courage, because it’s not “Stepford Barbie vs Megatron”, it’s all the assets that Palin would have vs. all the assets that Putin would have. I’ll bet on Palin over Obama or Biden in that sense any day. Obama/Biden would be capable of beating Putin, they just wouldn’t try.

  507. GeoffB–My bumpersticker hasn’t got my car keyed and I’m surprised.

    It says: “Stay back 100 feet or you will be shot” in English and Arabic.

  508. lol i love sex…..its u godbot prudes that are freaked by it.

    You clearly have the wrong site.

    especially sex with young grrls.

    That’s Mohammed and his followers.

  509. Sarah sure has the Associated Press scared out of their wits. Panic mode is what they’re in. I wonder if they’ll get any sleep tonight even.

  510. No rumors at all thor just the god’s honest truth that you are an insignificant turd scraped off the shoes of your betters, a inch-dicked, broken bottle up the ass and a broom handle shoved in the other end that shit comes out of.

  511. Obama/Biden would be capable of beating Putin, they just wouldn’t try.

    On.The.Nose.

  512. i think teenagers should have recreational protected sex with peer age individuals..as much as they want.

    because …?

    I think teenagers should grow up and have more responsibility. My 17 y/o nephew worked for my husband this summer. He barely was able to answer the phone in a coherent manner (and he is in AP course, in Grosse Pointe). Is he in ANY way ready for sex? I think not. Honestly, of all the issues we need to face with teens, encouraging them to have sex is way down there on the priority list.

  513. Oh ho ho what a howler! Stepford Barbie! Such a fucking stroke of genius, she repeats it incessantly to mock the woman whose accomplishments she will never in her life approach! Teeheehee Stepford Barbie Stepford Barbie hooo hooo fucking comedic genius! Wait wait, this just in…STEPFORD BARBIE!!! Did you hear that one??! Sign me up for a life pronto!!!

  514. “lol i love sex”
    Just ask the thing in the corner of the science lab that has the misfortune of being the partner.

  515. All that talk about women being equals? We had no idea you were taking that seriously…

    Just like that “content of their character, not the color of their skin” talk.

    I used to say that bad news for the left means a veritable troll storm on the blogs. It’s nice to know that still holds true.

  516. Well, it’s certainly unfortunate that Nishi has made the jump from useful contrarian to nihilistic sociopath. Oh well, you win some you lose some.

  517. What guy could blame McCain for wanting to tap Palin?

  518. RTO Trainer,

    Considering things in the USA wouldn’t Spanish be needed also.

  519. “Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 8/29 @ 2:50 pm #

    With that being said, I’m very agnostic on abortion as I’m not sure you can prove that that embryo or fetus is vaible outside the womb. I just think the whole “woman’s right to choose what to do with their own body” defense is bullshit, as Idon’t think that “thingI inside them is their body.”

    And isn’t it funny that the same government that allows women to say that is “their body” and should be able to do whatever they want at the same time would put the same woman in jail for deciding she wanted to put an illegal drug in her body.

  520. Maybe Thor would like her if she was from the other side of the Bering Strait.

  521. BTW, I absolutely love this gal, she reminds me a bit of my wife. Strong and to the god damn point. I have finally decided that I will vote for McCain.

  522. Where’s Dan anyway? We haven’t heard from him I don’t think.

  523. And by the way, I wasn’t going to vote for McCain, I was going to vote for Barr. So whichever one of you mongrels think she didn’t change minds are lost. CNN and MSNBC can whine all the hell they want but I see McCain winning because of this and when it happens I will laugh and laugh and laugh. And then the next day I will look at all the pathetic losers on some “I’m sorry I voted for Obama” website and I will laugh and laugh yet again.

  524. Considering things in the USA wouldn’t Spanish be needed also.

    I like to think this is more incentive to learn English.

  525. I’m not sure you can prove that that embryo or fetus is vaible outside the womb.

    Why would that factoid be a controlling consideration either way?

  526. Republican … you must be mistaken. Thor and nishi said Palin wasn’t going to earn McCain ANY votes.

    heh.

  527. Two lawyers vs. two non-lawyers. Which pair will screw you?

    That’s what we call a no-brainer.

  528. “I’m not sure you can prove that that embryo or fetus is vaible outside the womb.”

    – with all due respect, thats a Lefturd strawman which is a direct result of zero moral certitude.

    – When you ask the right question then its “Life or not Life”. Then you err on the side of Life, and its a no brainer.

    – Someday we will pass a fetus Bill of rights, and the Left will self destruct in a sea of exploding heads.

    – Not an “imaginary” right to murder your fetus, but a real, Constitutionally protected right, to Life after conception.

    – Rape and medically supported abortions can fit into that.

  529. The thing that pisses me off is the idea that abortion is primarily an issue of what a woman does with her body. All that white men have no right to tell me what to do with my uterus bullshit. It’s all just a lie and propaganda.

    Later … a women gets pregnant with a baby she WANTS and waits for that heartbeat at six weeks telling her that her baby is alive and viable.

    If there were a tad more truth in the whole pro-choice argument, I’d be ok with it. Well, perhaps not Ok …

  530. Part 1
    What most leftist don’t understand about abortion is that since all Conservatives secretly worship BAAL they benefit with each abortion. Each sacrifice gives BAAL more power and when BAAL gets more power he in turn gives the country sacrificing the most babies more power. So the more babies they kill the more powerful the United States becomes.
    In truth we are for abortion but say we are not as a sick form of mass reverse psychology that makes you think that by aborting a human being you are doing something rebellious and against morality. In reality you are feeding our God, the only God. The mighty BAAL.
    Part 2.
    Yeah so, I was hanging out with Alex Jones the other day, you know, speaking trufffff and eating alot of donuts. And so this crocodile comes up and says, “Hey guys, you know about BAAL?” And we says, “no, no we ain’t ever heard of that”. And then he says, “yeah, yeah that BAAL guy walks the earth man.” We says, “really?” He says, “yeah, yeah its this little oriental girl named Michelle Malkin – you must destroy her!” And we were all like, “WHOA!” Then Alex got up and said he had to find her and destroy her, but I was still too baked so I just hung out. Later I realized that the Crocodile was actually a vacuum cleaner sitting there in the corner.

  531. WRT abortion, how about we take the Constitution seriously and return the issue to the states, where it never should have left to begin with?

  532. Obama is up by ten points. It’ll be more by the end of the RNC. Unless, of course, Sarah Palin promises to let people feel her up if they switch their vote. She looks to have some tittays.

    She’ll attract the boob joke vote.

  533. Post Script: I mean seriously, do you guys believe for a second that we won in Iraq because our soldiers are actually good soldiers? HA! We won because of all the babies all you trendy girls aborted. It made BAAL VERY VERY HAPPY. He personally gave GW a ride in his spaceship last year because we keep our quotas so high. He loves them little baby souls guys. He just loves em. Thank you left wing feminist of America. You have made every evil and power hungry American more succesfull than we had ever imagined

  534. “Obama is up by ten points. ”

    Bet he won’t be by Tuesday.

  535. NPR, believe it or not, has an “ombudsman,” feckless as can be, but for real they have one. But during the orgiastic, sloshy-moist coverage of the Democratic convention? On vacation.

  536. Obama is up by ten points.

    Wow! Candidates never get a boost from their party’s convention! We may as well just appoint the O to rule us forever and ever!

  537. BBH, alive, and human being, are two different things. For myself, a human being is capable of life outside the womb, and is an individual with a capacity for consciousness and sentient thought.

    But the key issue depends not on whether a human being or simply a possibility of one. That nascent human life within another human, puts that other human at risk.

    In every case. It must always be up to that affected person, the affected woman, to weigh the risks and benefits of continuing the relative risks and benefits of managing a pregnancy, in real time, as the situation develops, and the risks and benefits and costs of interventions of every sort, until it is clear that a human being can survive *outside* of that human life raft.

    Why do people always discount the powerful forces that make women wish to sacrifice so much for their offspring? It shouldn’t be up to other people to decide when a womn considers ending a pregnancy. She has a right to be healthy herself. She has a right to mitigate the risks of injury and mortality, and to react to complications unexpected that arise. Only when a sentient human being exists can that life have an interest equal to her own.

  538. Enjoy that bounce while it lasts, thor. It’s going to be the shortest one in history.

  539. Obama is up by ten points.

    Gallup has it at eight, Rasmussen by four. Tell us, Thor, how much was Kerry up after the DNC Convention?

  540. Sarah W, what if the risk is, “I don’t want mommy and daddy to know I am pregnant”? I mean let’s be real here – I could personally care a less if some girl wants to live with some murder guilt her entire life but I have never met or known a woman that got an abortion due to a physical risk. Every time it was because “the time isn’t right”. And little else.

  541. Jeffersonian,
    John Kerry won the election in Thors’ mind. So your question is probably mute.

  542. SarahW

    I agree with you to a point. I’m a reluctant pro-choice. No person has unlimited “choices”, and that includes pregnant women.

    Practically, I believe the OPPORTUNITY to obtain an abortion remain legal for adult, unmarried women, of sound mind, in the first 12 weeks. Outside of those parameters, constraints should come in.

    But I don’t pretend that the vast majority of 1st tri abortions are moral.

  543. Wow. Over 500 comments, and you guys just know all about her and her suitability for VP. Me, I don’t care one way or the other, but if she’s related to Michael Palin, that’s plus city.

  544. and a woman does not have the right to force another person to perform an abortion

  545. Cynn,
    I don’t really know everything about her but man she is SO good at public speaking. I almost felt spiritually lifted by her words. It was as if an angel of God had been sent to earth to tell us everything was going to be alright. You know? I mean who cares how much anything she has, I just think a leader like her just comes every so often in the history of mankind.

  546. Sorry, my sarcasm is rusty.

  547. Close tag, dammit.

  548. Hell, cynn, I’m suitable for VP.

  549. What does abortion have to do with it anyway? She’s an awesome choice for a vp I think. She’s a for real outsider with Hope and Change to spare. Baracky is laden down with hacks and unions and trial lawyers and media sycophants. Sarah P is America I think.

  550. Isn’t it strange that although republicans win elections they are always behind in the polls? I always lie to polling people. I am not even sure why I do it sometimes. I just lie and lie and lie to them. I notice that usually if you say you are voting for a democrat they become more relaxed. Is there something about a polling job that makes all applicants democrats and socialist?

  551. SBP, those are the bounce numbers, not the absolute leads (but thanks for those). I’m pretty sure Kerry was up around 15 points after that 8-point bounce.

  552. I’d like to retract some of the thoughts of her qualifications that are stirring in my head. Sarah Palin is, likely, qualified to wash my dishes, even moreso to fetch a Big Wheel from my driveway. I was thinking she wasn’t, but those are just exaggerated thoughts.

    What a bimbo!

  553. I’d like to hear you say that standing next to an airlock.

  554. omg
    i just lissened to Palin speak.
    PTA mom to CinC?
    are u guyz freaking insane?
    she has less street cred than britney spears and no education to speak of.
    the dream candidate for the 40 percenters lol.

    Stepford Barbie.

  555. - Well, wondering back toward the post topic, I’m an Independent, and I absolutely love this selection. Makes me feel like I don’t have to hold my nose to vote for McOldGuy, and I can’t site examples, but I think that is huge.

    – thor. That 6 point (avg) uptick is pitiful. Besides, its from two days ago, right after Billy Jeffs speech.

    – Lets see where we’re at by Sunday. You should probably lay in some additional Thorizene.

  556. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 8/29 @ 8:18 pm #

    Gallup has it at eight, Rasmussen by four. Tell us, Thor, how much was Kerry up after the DNC Convention?

    I doubt thor will say, but here’s the history.</

    Hey, before you mount Mt. Saint Palin’s teats with your tender burning kisses, how many points was Barack Obama behind Hillary Clinton before he started in with his empty speeches?

    Yeah, genius, being the Messiah changes everything, ya think!

  557. Repbulican, the fact that there may be other considerations or risks, even ones that take precedence, do not mitigate the real risk of ending pregnancy vs. continuing it.

    Most women do appreciate that terrible things can happen. I have met my share of women who have families to support who have had a man run out of them and can’t afford to get sick or be out of work.
    I have met women with fibroids and oligohydramnios who were in terrible pain, and at higher risk of birth defects, I have known ayounger married who used methotrexate to stop her very early pregnancy because the last pregnancy made her severely ill and left her disfigured.

    This is really a fruitless argument with me to have with you. I think you are parthly right, most people have no idea of the depth, breadth and extent and cariety of of things that can go wrong for pregnant women (even when I limit problems for the wome). And yet some do. And the others still, I think, undestand that pregnancy can be difficult, and dangerous, lead to a significant period of disability, even. I do not thing women are as ignorant of risk as you say.

  558. Keep trying to change the subject, thor.

    O! just lost the election.

    Remember this moment.

  559. I dunno, nishi. She’s just so neat I can’t help but like her.

  560. Happyfeet, What does abortion have to do with it anyway? She’s an awesome choice for a vp I think. She’s a for real outsider with Hope and Change to spare. is apt, as usual.

  561. Ya know, somehow I think thor’d go ballistic if someone suggested Obama was only qualified to provide a place to tie a horse up on their lawn.

  562. she has less street cred than britney spears

    Like, OMG! NO WAY!

  563. Everything, cynn? That’s ‘way overstatement. We do know a few things about her and her past life, and most of them look good or at least interesting from our point of view.

    What we’re having fun with is the leftoid reaction. One of the consistent bleats from the feminist leftoids is that a successful woman always gets torn down by using irrelevancies. Here we have a conspicuously successful woman who is, indeed, getting sniped at over irrelevant details (and, to be fair, sometimes supported because of the same or related irrelevancies — why should it matter that she’s pretty?). Funny thing, though. It isn’t us horrid Rethugs doing it…

    One of the things that strikes me is the assumption of a necessary connection between being pretty and being a fluffybunny incompetent. It can certainly happen — the Valley Girl stereotype has some reality behind it, which is what makes Buffy funny — but it ain’t necessarily so. It’s another face of the same attitude that gives “pragmatism” a bad name because for all too many people “pragmatic” is short for “violence always works.”

    Regards,
    Ric

  564. she repeats it incessantly to mock the woman whose accomplishments she will never in her life approach!

    wat accomplishments dude?
    this chick knows nuthin about the military, about foreign or domestic policy.
    no education to speak of.

    PTA mom to CinC?
    shes an awful choice.
    imagine her tryin to go toe to toe with Putin or Nejad.

    lets try this one more time.
    mccain is freakin SEVENTY-TWO years old.
    he. could. die.

    is Palin presidential material?
    no, shes a freakin PTA mom.

  565. Darleen, I am very close to your position, I think.

    The fact that I am being sort of over adamant doesn’t mean I don’t see things pretty much your way.

  566. no education to speak of

    Yeah, she does. Why are you lying like that?

  567. c’mon Jeff, cowboyup and give me the goods.
    do u think Palin can be CinC, Potus, from day 1?
    do u think shes presidential material?

  568. SarahW,
    Part of my thinking process may be due to the fact that I haven’t known any women that have had an abortion for some time now. Most of the women I knew had them in their late teens and early twenties. I am well aware of the complications and the risks of pregnancy. I have 3 children and all three of them had to be c-sections. I have seen how long it has taken my wife to come back to shape from the last one. It makes me admire her more. It makes me love her more.

    I still can’t shake my memories of certain women using it as a last stand birth control procedure due to social reasons and NOT risk reasons.

    And truthfully, why has this appointment resulted in an abortion debate other than she is against it? Isn’t it also her right to be against it based on her social reasons?

  569. McCain will definitely benefit from her youth and savvy. There’s a whole America of possibility out there for you is what Sarah P says I think. There’s just something indomitable about her, without all that Baracky anger getting in the way. I want to live in Sarah Palin’s America.

  570. She can take it to O on the court.

    Palin attended Wasilla High School in Wasilla, Alaska, where she was the head of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes chapter at the school[3] and the point guard and captain of the school’s basketball team. She helped the team win the Alaska small-school basketball championship in 1982, hitting a critical free throw in the last seconds of the game, despite having an ankle stress fracture at the time.[3] She earned the nickname “Sarah Barracuda” because of her intense play[3] and was the leader of team prayer before games.[3]

    Obama’s nickname: Barry
    Palin’s nickname: Barracuda.

    She also wasn’t afraid to visit Landstuhl.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Sarah_Palin_Germany_4.jpg

    this chick knows nuthin about the military, about foreign or domestic policy.

    Anything else that Ouija Board tell you, nishfong? Who should I bet on in the World Series?

  571. mccain is freakin SEVENTY-TWO years old.
    he. could. die.

    Uh, dipshit, while age increases the chances of dying on any given day, anyone of any age could die.

    is Palin presidential material?
    no, shes a freakin PTA mom.

    And your problem with that is, what, exactly? I think you’re wrong — it’s clear she scares you and your dreams of Obama, so you’re doing your best to tear her down — but what’s your problem? She’s a successful businessman, politician, and parent. She’s capable, smart, and principled.

  572. My thoughts on abortion are we use the same medical parameters at the beginning of life as we use at the end for terminating life support. If we have sufficient brain activity that the doctors couldn’t legally or ethically remove mechanical life support from an adult, then you can’t remove the biological life support from the fetus.

  573. And your problem with that is, what, exactly? I think you’re wrong — it’s clear she scares you and your dreams of Obama, so you’re doing your best to tear her down — but what’s your problem? She’s a successful businessman, politician, and parent. She’s capable, smart, and principled.

    And don’t forget hot.

  574. c’mon Jeff, cowboyup and give me the goods.
    do u think Palin can be CinC, Potus, from day 1?
    do u think shes presidential material?

    For myself, I’ll point to her having more executive experience — in and out of government — than the entire Democrat ticket.

  575. imagine her tryin to go toe to toe with Putin or Nejad.

    I think she would do better than Obama. What makes you think that weaselly little coward has got anything for Putin?

  576. And don’t forget hot.

    Yeah, but that’s not a reason to vote for her.

  577. I think she would do better than Obama. What makes you think that weaselly little coward has got anything for Putin?

    You mean outside of jealousy over Putin’s ability to “handle” criticism?


  578. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 8/29 @ 8:32 pm #

    Keep trying to change the subject, thor.

    O! just lost the election.

    Remember this moment.

    Moments this steeped in comedy aren’t quickly forgotten. A cowshed moment filled with howling moo-moos for a crazed, four-eyed milk cow. The Alaskan MILF monster and her inaugural day of ruckus! Drug-induced hallucinations aren’t as vivid as this surreal moment of presidential election irresponsibility. McCain has flattened the ox with this wallop. Look at the tramp that is his wife and I guess I should have expected his flawed judgment when choosing a woman.

  579. “Hell, cynn, I’m suitable for VP.”

    So am I come to think of it. I turn 40, 6 days before inauguration.

  580. If we have sufficient brain activity that the doctors couldn’t legally or ethically remove mechanical life support from an adult, then you can’t remove the biological life support from the fetus.

    Yeah, pretty much the same here.

    I avoid talking about it because so many people take the hard line of “one cell is a human being” or, alternatively, “it’s okay to vacuum out the kid’s brain as long as the head hasn’t come out of the vagina yet”, so I wind up getting yelled at by both sides.

  581. And don’t forget hot.

    Yeah, but that’s not a reason to vote for her.

    Of course not, but she is still pretty hot.

  582. Nah

    Sarah is a poseur, a PTA mom with aspirations.
    oh, yah, she called hilary’s cadre “whiners” but now its suck-up city!
    Sistah-hood!!!!!

    Hey, Sarah, im a woman and im not buyin it
    this dedication goin out to u from me an 3!oh!3
    Im not comin to ur party grrl

  583. I think somewhere along with Sarah W. at 539, however, I think the man has some say in the situation, too. The fetus, after all wouldn’t be there if it wasn’t for him. I don’t know. Abortion is such a tough issue for me. I’m Christian, so personally it would never be an issue for me as I believe human life begins at conception. However, not everybody believes that. As a Libertarian/classical liberal I can’t foist my religious beliefs on others. What would Jesus do? I think just that. Christianity is a personal faith. It is 100% personal. Jesus was all about the personal, imo. RTO, I mentioned viability because on the most basic level, THAT seems to be where most people believe “life” begins. I don’t know. Like I said, this is a hard, hard subject to broach for me as my religious beliefs are in direct contrast to my political beliefs. I believe all children, and make no mistake I believe aborted babies are childen, go to heaven when they die. God will judge those who have abortions how God sees fit. I cannot say HOW God will judge them, though. But as for the secular/political, I just can’t see forcing my belief on others. One thing I do know, though, is the “woman’s right to choose what to do with her OWN body” defense is bullshit. Again, that “thing” in her womb is NOT part of her own body. Nobody, including he resident evil sociopath has proven otherwise.

  584. That’s nice, thor, but your metaphors are a bit clumsy. Cow-like, one might say.

    B-.

  585. “…[shes] done more in her 20 months as Governor than the 12 years (three terms) of the persons who preceded her…” – Alaska Fronteirsman managing Editor – Greg Johnson -

    – “soccer mom”. Check nishidiot.

  586. “Ah, the r-wing seething has a renewed fury”

    No, fucknozzle, we’re rejoicing, ’cause, once again, we are going to win.

    And you, dickdrip, are going to be curled up in the corner, whimpering and sucking your thumb.

    Again.

  587. I’d pass on shagging that mousy-faced thing. My anvil crashing through her joists might be tempting but I’d hate to have to pay child support for a Doogie Downser.

  588. I definitely have to disagree with you there, thor. I think she’s smart and strong and fun and humble and gracious and just good people. It’s just a feeling I have about her that’s way different than the feeling I get from Joe Biden. He’s just an old politician to me. And if he’s the kind of people Baracky wants to appoint then … that just doesn’t seem like fun much less Hopey or Changey. Sarah P is a paragon of McCain’s idea of the kind of people he wants in his administration I think. A class act.

  589. You still aren’t answering my question, nishfong. What makes you think someone afraid to go one on one with senile old John McCain is going to have anything for Putin?

    Obama would piss all over himself if Putin said boo.

  590. Like, SQUEEEEEE!!!
    she’s got cute shoes too.

    http://community.adn.com/sites/community.adn.com/files/images/Palin%27s%20Patent%20and%20Pedicure.thumbnail.jpg

    I like the red ones she wore today in Dayton too. Dang it, I need to find a ‘girl blog’ to hang out on.

  591. Sarah is a poseur, a PTA mom with aspirations.

    Who has been elected to executive office multiple times. Which puts her ahead of Obama on that point.

    Palin really makes you feel small, doesn’t she? You’re not terrified of her defeating Obama, you’re terrified that she represents what you can never be — respected, successful, and feminine.

    So rather than actually look at what she’s accomplished, you’re trotting out blatantly sexist arguments that would — rightfully! — get any of us castigated as sexist. “Stepford Barbie”? “PTA mom”? Declaring she’s not “educated” — despite her having a college degree and a resume that places her head-and-shoulders above 99.999% of the populace?

    I almost pity you, nishi. It must be horrible to feel so frightened of other peoples’ success.

  592. So am I come to think of it. I turn 40, 6 days before inauguration.

    John C. Breckinridge was only 36 when he became veep under President James Buchanan.

    I’m not really in a lather to see anyone break that record, though I wouldn’t have minded being elected vice-president in 1996. I would have turned 35 just about a month before the inauguration.

  593. Hey, Sarah, im a woman and im not buyin it
    this dedication goin out to u from me an 3!oh!3
    Im not comin to ur party grrl

    You’re not invited, nitwit.

  594. “I’d pass on shagging that mousy-faced thing.

    – thor-boy, lets leave your sister out of this.

  595. I gotta say, it’s really a beautiful thing. A Republican could serve three terms as governor, after having been elected mayor of, say, NYC or LA five times, and some people would still harp on how they lack some particular kind of experience that for some reason they deem essential to the presidency.

    A Democrat could run for president right out of college (hoping to use the 400 grand a year to pay off his 17 years’ worth of student loans) and these same people would swoon over his membership in the foreign language club, his two-week presidency of the fundraising committee, and how he self-published an anonymous pamphlet harassing the school newspaper’s editor, as THE MOST PERFECT PRESIDENTIAL QUALIFICATIONS EVAH!

  596. There’s something inherently not-changey about hating on Sarah P I think. Putting those people in charge would be dreary and at best, programmatic. Like get with the program don’t you know we hate her. Oh. But she looks nice. NO! and stop it you’re embarrassing us.

  597. nishi’s hopey-changey youth vote.

    Heh.

  598. Baracky’s America is the one where they savage Sarah Palin. I’m not comfortable with that.

  599. oh yah i am so invited pablow
    sarah wants alla us sistahs to hold hands and kuuumbyah ;)
    hilary, ferraro, alla tha sistahs.

    hehe
    i think PTAmom has a surprise coming to her.

  600. Darn you, SBP,darn you to heck.

    I wanted 600!

  601. Jeff, have you ever had a 600 comment thread?

  602. As others have pointed out, Palin is going for the Nerd Vote. She looks like Mary McDonnell. If anyone tells you that a woman couldn’t possibly run the USA, point out that on TV we have an example of a woman who KICKS PEOPLE OUT THE FRACKIN’ AIRLOCK when she’s pissed.

  603. yup SPB, my demographic IS goin to vote in this election.
    but not fo’ the old ppl ticket
    sarah palin might look hawt to u, but to us she looks like our mothers

  604. palin cant get the nerd vote without academic cred
    so sowwy

  605. i think PTAmom has a surprise coming to her.

    I think you have your head several feet up your ass, as usual.

  606. NPR only gave her the most de minimis of soundbites from her speech today. They’re definitely scared.

  607. lol hes had 1000+ comment threads
    this nuthin

    nite cudlips

    sweet dreams of Stepford Barbie Magic Playhouse
    comes with adorable downs babies for everyone!!
    lol

  608. wat accomplishments dude?
    this chick knows nuthin about the military, about foreign or domestic policy.

    CinC of the Alaska National Guard. Governor of a state that borders 2 foreign countries and has had to negotiate with them. Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission.

    Check your facts, nitwit.

  609. “Comment by quellcrist falconer on 8/29 @ 9:24 pm #

    yup SPB, my demographic IS goin to vote in this election.”

    No, they’re not, retard.

    They never do.

  610. PTAmom is the surprise. And Barry is trying to find his balls right now. If I were him, I’d ask M’chelle.

  611. goodnight, nishi. Hey maybe tomorrow maybe you’ll have a more positive take. Sometimes people grow on you.

  612. No, they’re not, retard.

    They never do.

    Right, because mostly they’re locked up and heavily medicated.

  613. hf, are you saying nishi is a fungus?

  614. #

    Comment by happyfeet on 8/29 @ 9:19 pm #

    Baracky’s America is the one where they savage Sarah Palin. I’m not comfortable with that.

    That’s why I’m happy in the blast furnace that is the Big D, and no longer in the people’s republic of santa monica…

  615. I love how these idiots keep saying McCain’s gonna kick off.
    His mom is 96. Obama’s parents died at 46 and 52 respectively and he smokes.
    I’d bet on McCain

  616. “CinC of the Alaska National Guard. Governor of a state that borders 2 foreign countries and has had to negotiate with them. Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Commission.

    Check your facts, nitwit.”

    Well Obama knows alot about the military as well.
    He’s very close to a guy that tried to bomb the Pentagon, that’s gotta count for something.

  617. kk, Aldo, Jeff……tell me that u honestly think palin is qualified to be president of the united states.

    Actually Nishi, a lot of us agree with you that this woman who has more relevant executive experience than Obama is not yet experienced enough to be Vice president. (See my comment #31).

    Before you hammer away any more on this point, though, you may want to grab a pencil and a sheet of paper and brainstorm out all the logical implications of our mutual position that someone more experienced than O! is not ready to be Vice President.

  618. Sometimes people grow on you.

    I think she’s going to have at least 12 years to get used to the idea, myself. Maybe 16.

  619. oh yah i am so invited pablow
    sarah wants alla us sistahs to hold hands and kuuumbyah ;)

    No, cuntlips. You’re less than superfluous. You are not needed or wanted. Go to the O! camp, where you belong, and rage against the machine. And then, mebbe you can comfort your guy when he loses. Perhaps you’ll want to jack him off. I believe he’s got the good sense not to put his dick in something like you.

  620. no. I think she was caught off guard. Sort of one of those the shock of the new things. Dynamic without being angry is something we haven’t seen in our politics since George W. Bush, and I think some people are really a lot surprised to find another example of that sort of thing when they thought they’d so thoroughly delegitimized it… but there it is.

  621. Can I play B Moe?
    Putin is a steely-eyed controller of his oligarchs.
    McCain is an admirable old coot.
    Obama, for the time being, would have notional control of the world’s finances. The rug he could rip out is pretty frayed. Depends on the timing.

  622. oh. My last was @ 616… I sort of talked about a job in Santa Monica earlier this year, mostly just enough to contemplate having to move there. It wasn’t a happy thought.

  623. Kosskiddie claims that the 5th baby is NOT Sarah’s but her daughter’s and Palin is “covering up” about it.

    He’s probably one of the same ones who banned a dKos diarist for discussing Edwards’ out-of-wedlock baby, and applauded the MSM for embargoing the story, because, you know, it’s none of our business.

  624. Actually, that sounds like way too much credit to the American President.

  625. these weren’t my parameters; they were ThomasD’s

    JHoward already called you out on that tidy little pile of feces, so no need for me to belabor your dishonesty. I just wanted to let you know it wasn’t missed.

  626. Part 3

    Obama: “So like you actually RAN the KGB”?

    Putin: “Ja.”

    Obama: “Wow! I mean what was it like?”

    Putin: “”

    Obama: “Ever read anything by Foucault?”

    Putin; “”

    Obama: “So umm, ummm, umm, well, um,”

    Putin: “He was a Maoist, he was watched.”

    Obamba: “SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!”

  627. The attacks on Palin based on her being a WOMAN (why isn’t she home with her children? etc) are going to create a lot of loathing towards the Obama camp, especially since they’ve already shown their sour grapes with nasty comments right out the gate – a sharp contrast with McCain’s sincere congratulatory ad towards Obama yesterday.

    Actually that wasn’t the Obama campaign that Obama thought he knew. He already disavowed those comments.

  628. I used to live in Dallas. My best friend from those days called me last night and he hates his wife and he wants me to come visit so I can hate her too. It sounds like fun really.

  629. John Roberts is complaining about lack of experience? This is the same guy who got his start
    in Toronto as a VeeJay on MuchMusic and now he’s an anchor at CBS News. Pot meet kettle.

  630. oh. That last may have been off-topic. But really when you think about it they only have two months to rip this woman to shreds. It’s what they do, and usually they have a lot more lead time to frame their narrative, and already they’re a lot exhausted with the shredding since it’s been nonstop since Katrina. And yet they have no choice but to instill more hate and anxiety cause … that’s the playbook. Sarah Palin looks like a nail but just cause all they have is this dumb hammer.

  631. Comment from an Obamanaut over at Ace’s:

    Sarah Palin’s judgment is despicalble. She knowingly whelped a Mongoloid child earlier this year, probably to pander to the Right to Life Nutbags.

    Irresponsible decisions like hers dilutes the viability of the American Gene Pool. No wonder why we are falling farther and farther behind in an increasingly competitive global economic environment.

    Her OB should have cut her tubes after her first child!!!

    All class, all the time.

  632. #

    Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 8/29 @ 9:26 pm #

    i think PTAmom has a surprise coming to her.

    I think you have your head several feet up your ass, as usual.

    My-my, you sure turn a creative phrase. Does nishi mocking McCain’s giggly arctic bimbo have you chewing on nickles and pennies? I like it when nishi farts in your doghouse. Gonna go off the rails again? Going to break into the part of Dingby the low-IQ jerkoff again? Maybe you’ll just faint this time. Tuhweep, bang!

  633. Seeing how impressive Gov. Palin was at the announcement today, how self possessed, clear, generous, strong, funny, kind, optimistic, dynamic (h/t hf), forward looking, organized and much more, isn’t it possible — despite all the obvious “inside politics” sorts of strategic calculations driving McCain’s selection of her — isn’t it possible that she is even more impressive in person, over long detailed conversations about the issues facing the country, and that just such a personal reaction of admiration, a recognition of her virtue played as large a role in McCain’s decision as the far more remarked upon strategic considerations? That she is simply a good person and was chosen for her goodness?

  634. I knew Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Palin, you’re no Hillary Clinton.

    however, it was a brilliant move on McCain’s part. We’ll see as some have said it’s “high risks, high payoff”. She could also dud. Cute with glasses ‘n a macho jaw of an obstinate type. Also the running for President with a one year old child plus 4 not so older ones will make many woman pause and say, that ain’t no Hillary, nor a ‘soccer mom’, that’s a woman ‘on-the-make’.

    Also, Jeff’s picking on John Roberts (not the Supreme Chief Justice) makes no sense. I see CNN as pretty middle of the road (unlike Republican Fox network), and for all we know mr. Edwards, a Canadian-American who rallied for America on 9/11, isn’t a Democratic Party mouthpiece. (also the link provided didn’t load at my computer for some reason.)

    Of course, McCain’s inexperience rap against Obama is now gone…but then it wasn’t working anyway so I see McCain still making a pretty good choice. Sadly, perhaps for the future of the country. I am not going to ‘dis’ her, yet. And she’s totally in the tank with Big Oil so that won’t endear us in most states that don’t get hefty welfare royalties for energy like the part timers in Alaska.

  635. I haven’t read the whole thread, but I tend to agree with Thor.

  636. Can I play B Moe?

    Sure, cynn, anytime. How do you think someone who is afraid to debate McCain would do against Putin, one on one?

    And the “dynamic without being mean” observation was spot on, ‘feets.

  637. Jeffersonian

    Ah! The fabled tolerance and love of the Left in all its glory!

    fucking little Nazis.

  638. Not sure if this link will work so here is the tag first:
    A Mississippi delegate cries after the acceptance speech of Democratic presidential nominee U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) at the 2008 Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado August 28, 2008.
    (Jim Young – UNITED STATES US PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION CAMPAIGN 2008/Reuters)

    You see, that is REALLY the problem with the whole BO thing. Why in the hell is a grown man crying over something like this? I just can’t relate to that and I highly doubt you’d ever see any grown man crying at a Republican convention. I mean maybe you would, but I doubt it. Seriously, Obama people bewilder me.

    http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/nm/20080829/2008_08_29t002154_450x294_us_usa_politics_speech_impact.jpg?x=400&y=261&q=85&sig=vPk1NU8vNey6sGndCIcaZQ–

  639. People don’t get points for rallying for America on 9/11. It was sort of a very very common take on that whole thing. You should know that.

  640. ST

    Ah, you’re a misogynist, too?

  641. Nishi, go on over to Kos and don’t let the doorknob hit ya’ where the good Lord split ya’.

  642. Thanks B Moe, but that’s the point Ric always makes more better. He’s not here though.

  643. She’ll attract the boob joke vote.

    The one Hilary never did. Got it.

    You know thor, I’ll be forced to admit that panic does in fact enhance teh funny — The One, half-year headstart, fabulist entourage, Hollywood scripting, international adoration, Hairplug T. Lunchbucketry, Grecian urns, the stadium light show and all, goes down to a shoot-em-up, quivering geriatric Bible-sworn to 12 more BushCo years towing a toothless sportsman broad in a bassboat, was it?

    I’d pay to see your act in about a month. Seriously. ‘There a little trans club down in the Keys some place?

  644. I see CNN as pretty middle of the road….

    Which says more about your vantage point than CNNs location.

  645. My-my, you sure turn a creative phrase.

    Compared to the near-Joycean feat of originality involved in calling a woman a cow, you mean?

    You’ve got no game, thor, and neither does Obama. Sorry.

  646. Darleen, in the words of my elders-you’re a fruitcake.

  647. Watch out, you all. ST is on FIRE tonight!

  648. I wish you folks would go easy on nishi and thor. They just got butt-fucked by an elephant.

  649. If I were to summon my old debate training, I would say that Putin whips ass because he is in the cat-bird seat. What was your other question?

  650. I wish you folks would go easy on nishi and thor. They just got butt-fucked by an elephant.

    True, but even so, it was like throwing a bratwurst down a sewer pipe.

  651. ST

    If thor said half the stuff about a female co-worker that he has about Gov and VP nominee Sarah Palin, he would be fired for sexual harassment; probably with strong suggestions that he seek psychiatric help for his obvious issues with women.

    You “largely” agree with him.

    So, if you’re not a misogynist, DO disabuse all present of that perception.

  652. #638 Obama won’t be afraid. He’ll merely invite Putin to note his (O!’s) lack of pallor and Putin, like every other world leader, will crumple. It seems to have worked with a lot of people in this country.

  653. Also, “ST”, you wouldn’t happen to be a sockpuppet? I mean, what with hiding behind an anonymous nom de blog.

  654. Putin to note his (O!’s) lack of pallor and Putin, like every other world leader, will crumple.

    Behold O!’s mighty melanin!

  655. “…picking on John Roberts…makes no sense. …”

    Would this be because what John Roberts had to say was sensible in your view, as opposed to the clear analysis Jeff gave of Robert’s clumsiness? Or is it your position that Roberts should be treated with a greater deference others might because he starts with some sort of handicap for which allowances must be made?

  656. As a newby on this site, I am wondering why obvious headcases are included in the discussion. Is it a therapy thing?

  657. Carin … did you see where that Ace person linked your comment what Jeff linked? That’s a sign of good commenting right there I think.

  658. oh. I got confuzzled. Here is the post where Ace person links Carin.

  659. MRE

    I see CNN as pretty middle of the road

    Sure they are! It is obviously NOT A SNARK, to run a picture of McCain and Palin with a caption: “McCain taps Palin for VP: How many houses does that add to the Republican ticket?”

    Good god, you think Saddam’s footlicking network is “middle of the road” because of where YOU stand…so your assessment says a hell of a lot more about you.

  660. “Is it a therapy thing?”

    I think it’s more like a blog clay pigeon kind of thing.

    Pull!

  661. Is it just me, or are the comments around here almost FREAKING dead?


  662. Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 8/29 @ 10:11 pm #
    Compared to the near-Joycean feat of originality involved in calling a woman a cow, you mean?

    You’ve got no game, thor, and neither does Obama. Sorry.

    Replacing watershed with “cowshed” was a snappy kick to the udders of that Alaskan heifer if I do say so myself. As you read more, SPB, maybe you’ll better appreciate the polychromatic folly of word play. I’d suggest something postmodern, something French, Chevillard perhaps, though you can’t go wrong with classics from Zola or Flaubert.

  663. Darleen and Dave E,

    Feet in clay.

  664. Yeah, thor. You’re saying she’s a cow. I got it the first time.

    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn.

    And “polychromatic folly”?

    Hint: http://dictionary.com and http://thesaurus.com

  665. ST

    check out #664….slathered in great gobs of job-termination-worthy misogyny.

  666. #

    Comment by Darleen on 8/29 @ 10:21 pm #

    ST

    If thor said half the stuff about a female co-worker that he has about Gov and VP nominee Sarah Palin, he would be fired for sexual harassment; probably with strong suggestions that he seek psychiatric help for his obvious issues with women.

    You “largely” agree with him.

    So, if you’re not a misogynist, DO disabuse all present of that perception.

    I like the taste of cynn’s pie. You need to park yourself in the kitchen until you learn to bake a pie worth eating. Don’t be jealous of cynn’s pie!

  667. Politics aside, toying with nutters isn’t very kind.

  668. Hint: Colorful humor.

    So, um, just what sort’a book are you writing. You’re so quick.

  669. And don’t forget hot.

    Yeah, but that’s not a reason to vote for her

    Rep on acid, you gave up too soon!

    That’s a great reason to vote for her.

    For the next 4-8 years, maybe longer, we are going to be seeing two of the four candidates on TV. Often. Now, who would you rather be seeing, Joe or Sarah?

    Seriously though, I’m one of those that was resigned to holding my nose to vote for McCain. Now I’m exited about it. Mrs. P was a truly inspired choice, and I was hoping for Romny. Now I’m glad it wasn’t!

    Oh, and why do you guys waste your time on nishi? I mean thor, sure, at least he mixes things up enough to be interesting, if you’re in to that sort of idle entertainment. But nishi? No offense, but I think you gotta be some sort of sadist to beat your head against that excrement covered wall. She pays attention to nothing anyone says, even Jeff, and just screeches the same thing over, and over, and over, and over. Cackling like a lunatic the whole time.

    It reminds me of a Simpsons bit: Homer standing in front of a fence with a knot hole, he bends close, peers through the hole, and a finger comes through, poking him in the eye. “Oww” he says, pulling back. Then looks again. Poke, “oww”. Looks again. Poke, “oww”. “Oww”. “Oww”.

    I admit, it’s funny for a minute. After that, not so much.

  670. Behold O!’s mighty melanin!

    You just can’t help yourself, can you?

    If I were looking down from the great impenetrable fortress that is the RNC, I’d say “Shhhh”.

    As far as my real name, it’s Bill Clay. I live in West Chester, PA.

    Look it up using the Google.

  671. No, my name is Bill Clay, and I live in West Chester, PA.

  672. Palin will do for me.

    And I have a lot more respect for Team McCain’s political savvy than I did twenty four hours ago. For one thing, the next week’s worth of his ads were written by Obama’s press people and select members of the media in the first hour following the announcement of Palin as the pick.

    Went to Barnes & Noble with Mrs. Utah tonight. The tragically hip folks in the Starbuck’s were talking fast and quiet over their lattes and copies of “Oprah” and “Mother Jones News”. It’s anecdotal only but they sure seemed pretty tense for such a beautiful Utah night.

    Have a fine one.

  673. No, my name is Bill Clay, and I live in West Chester, PA.

  674. I found Thor’s fuck buddy!

    The campaign to stop the presidency of Barack Obama reached a new low today with the announcement that John McCain has selected Sarah Palin, a white woman, to be his vice-presidential running mate.

    As a further insult, McCain referred to Palin as being the “next vice president” of the United States as if Barack Obama did not exist or won’t be winning the election this November.

    The use of Palin as a political tool is racist and a direct attack on Senator Obama. It is an attempt to reinvigorate the old stereotypes that African men (or Negroes as they were called) are lustful creatures who eye white women as sexual prizes to be claimed.

    It is also attempt by McCain to get Senator Obama killed. In many U.S. states it is still illegal for any African man to look at, touch, or speak with a white woman. McCain is trying to set up a circumstance where Obama would do one of the three with Palin in one of these states and have him imprisoned or lynched.

    In addition, McCain does this just as a Hurricane is bearing down on New Orleans which was attacked by the Bush regime’s Katrina in 2005.

    Hurry thor, I think the good “professor” is missing you.


  675. Comment by phreshone on 8/29 @ 9:31 pm #

    That’s why I’m happy in the blast furnace that is the Big D, and no longer in the people’s republic of santa monica…

    That late afternoon rain cooled off the blast furnace a bit.

  676. Hint: Colorful humor

    Hint: that’s a different thing from “banal and unfunny”. Entirely.

  677. As a further insult, McCain referred to Palin as being the “next vice president” of the United States

    Just how backward is this guy to not know that’s what the candidates always say.

  678. Opportunity Cost.

    Learn it. Live it.

    The reason? Thor might know the concept; he’d then have to be considered productive, if nothing else.

    Like Art Monk, the fear is what motivates me.

  679. Cynn,

    You had debate training? Talk about hiding your light under a bushell! You ought to bring out the game every now and then, you know?

    Then again, your perpective on Putin’s position? I suppose the dung beetle envies teh cockroach too.

  680. SBP

    there’s always the possibility it is a “joke” blog, but it goes back 2 years. Rather a long time to sustain that level of shithouse crazy as a joke.

  681. “Is it a therapy thing?”

    Nope. Sport.

  682. Sport? Forgive me if I disagree with you, but publicly agitating mentally fragile people isn’t sport.

    It’s fun, but it isn’t sport.

  683. Brendan Loy says Baracky is superpresidential cause running a campaign for 18 months is the same as executive experience where you lead people and stuff. I don’t think Brendan understands what a campaign manager does. I think he might could be an idiot.

  684. I like Sam Hall. He can stay.

  685. Maybe we should just elect that Pluffle guy.

  686. * The chief executive of the third largest state is ceremonial?

    I may be misunderstanding this but Alaska is the largest state in terms
    of area at 656,000 sq mi. Texas, the next largest state, is a puny
    268,000 sq mi in comparison.

  687. I looked into Putin’s eyes.

    I saw Unicorns, Rainbows and a Permanent Republican Majority in congress.

  688. Californiands and Texans are often in denial as to the actual dimensions of Alaska.

  689. oh. I know for real lots everywhere are often in denial as to the actual dimensions of ANWR.

  690. I think he might could be an idiot.

    Go easy on him. Think back on you behaved when you were Brendan’s age. At least he doesn’t have a restraining order on him or an anathema from the pope. How many of you here could say the same?.

  691. oh. That is a very good point. I had better hair though.

  692. Fatback has better hair, but that’s beside the point.

  693. Jeff,

    Could you give us a little summary of your views on the Palin/creationism thing on the big board, maybe with some reflection on how the issue functions as a cultural/class “dog whistle” and maybe a little Popperian philosophy of science thrown in? You’re likely the most effective point man out there on this one.

    Palin is trailing in the “my feminist mom” demographic largely due to this issue, and I don’t think she would survive the comment section. Others might be interested as well.

  694. Palin and her husband have five children, Bristol, Piper, Track, Willow, and Trig.

    Wow. those sound like names you give your horses.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with that…

  695. Allah person already debunked the creationism thing. She was vetted. By McCain people. That right there means it’s really doubtful there’s a real issue here. Cause McCain don’t roll like that. Cause he’s a maverick.

  696. If my name had been Track I would be so cool right now it would just be dizzying I think.

  697. Here. You can have 700. You know you want it.

  698. 700! I am living the dream!

  699. lee

    I don’t know about the others, but “Trig” is a family name

    Trig is named after his great uncle, a Bristol Bay fisherman, while the name Paxson comes from the well-known snowmachining area.

    Looks like “Bristol” is a location name, too.

  700. “Perfect storm.”

    Not indeed. I’ll leave it to Bob Balaban in that M. Night Shaymaliyan movie, I guess.

  701. Track Palin joined the Army on 9/11/2007 and is due to deploy to Iraq soon.

    No “chickenhawk” charges from the Leftcultists on that one.

  702. The very idea that the Left in any way respects military service is one of the unexamined howlers of this election cycle. It’s the hawk that rouses their indignation, not the chicken.

    Unless its coming home to roost.

  703. David–

    Upthread I linked to an older post of mine that I believe already covers the topic. Nothing Palin has said troubles me one bit.

    If she were a Buchananite past a certain point in her life, I’d get worried. But as she seems to be more of a Forbes gal, I’m all chill and whatnot. He has such a goofy engaging grin, does Steve.

  704. Well, “perfect.”

  705. It is far too easy to impute positive attributes to the cute.

    But hell yeah, I’d hit it.

  706. JeffG

    The smears about Palin are rooting around looking for a place to roost.

    The “creationist” label is one of them. Deliberate bowdlerizing of her comments. And it seems that her being a “Buchannanite” is a figment of Buchannan’s fevered imagination. She never contributed a dime to him and once wore a button when she welcomed him to her town, just as she did for ALL visiting candidates.

    Mandy Pandy is chewing the scenary with chants of “womyn haters! all of them! womyn haters!” And Jesse Taylor is making fun of her because Palin does that hick hunting and fishing rather than hanging in hip bars drinking appletinis and rubbing elbows with the beautiful people.

    Not that they’d welcome such a rough hewn breeder.

  707. I think PC said for me to not give up so soon on voting for HAWT. I won’t, and I will say this, think of the ratings she will bring to CSPAN. They may even be able to drop the house of lords or whatever that english parliament thing is.

  708. BTW, this is the first time I ever posted from the laptop. What is with this horrible scroll? Is it Bill Gates trying to keep me from HAWT?

  709. PS.
    I said this, “whatever that english parliament thing is” to make certain dweamers angry.

  710. PSS. You know, Barcardi Gold is alright. I mean it isn’t the best Rum in the world, but it will do.

  711. Not that they’d welcome such a rough hewn breeder.

    Hey, some of my best friends have been breeders.

  712. Carin?

    Remember you thought Feministe was acting sane? Well, it didn’t last long. I’ve replied to Jill calling Palin a “woman-hating woman” here. But she’ll probably blast it when she regains consciousness

    I must say, I’m amused. All women were supposed to rally around Hillary, but it is the Republicans that are “pandering” by running a Governor/nee Mayor/nee business owner with more executive experience than the community organizer running for President.

    And the lying about her began within minutes of the annoucement (hey Bruce, she’s not a ‘creationist’ but you know that), including sour grapes right out of the Messiah’s own mouth … stark contrast of class when McCain ran a congratulatory ad on O!’s day.

    Keep it up. Keep slamming a woman as a “hick” a “breeder” a “anti-woman woman”. Let’s see how the hysterical hatred of a real woman with real life achievements plays with the voters who see the Left’s mask dropped and the ugly intolerant face exposed.

    I’ll just go make some popcorn.

  713. Well sometimes you just have to laugh and say, fuck you. There is pain out there. Record tv viewings of the convention to see Hillary nominated. A true let down. For some folk sort of like watching the home team lose.
    Hell, you conservatives (disclaimer: I am sometimes conservative) need to count your blessings, even Rush Limbaugh is all aflutter. Hell, even I am excited, and I am rarely excited by polotics.

  714. PSS. You know, Barcardi Gold is alright. I mean it isn’t the best Rum in the world, but it will do.

    hmmmm. some kind o’ champagne here. Moet something or other. ten years o’ marriage. yay! and this bit o’ news made me stay awake all day even after being up til four in the morning. RTO may get to put a campaign sign in the yard after all.

  715. An attractive woman and it does nothing for Andrew Sullivan.

    Now there’s a surprise.

  716. I’ve seen some of the early criticisms of Palin and the framing of these arguments left with me with an uneasy felling.

    Unlike Hillary Clinton or Katherine Harris, I sense that people are going to want to protect this women, and as a result this election could get really ugly and make the Iraq War debate look like a Baptist Sunday School picnic.

    The Left has never really seen an emotional invested Republican Party, and Palin has already stirred enough passion that it’s a distinct possibility that a very determined and committed opposition is what will emerge from the RNC.

    What they are criticizing as inexperience is really one of her greatest strengths in this specific election cycle. McCain still might lose the election, but it’s clear that he understand the attitudes of the electorate going into the vote.

  717. Oh noes! It looks like some of the left’s expert internet super-sleuths may be searching for photos of Gov. Palin in…a swimsuit!!!

    BECAUSE OF THE…I’M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT, EXACTLY!!!

  718. well, Sean M. she does have to compete with this I don’t remember what his “talent” selection was though.

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  721. “Her children are TOO YOUNG for this BS”

    Funny, JFK Jr. and Caroline seemed to make out okay. But I guess that was only because JFK didn’t have to breast feed Jr. while he was playing under the desk in the Oval Office.

  722. Conservative women in swimsuits are TEH SCANDALOUS!!!1!one!!1!eleventy1!!!

    (How long before the Photoshops of Palin start appearing?)

  723. “I’d like someone to ask Obama what were the last three compelling books that he’s read on public policy, history, diplomacy, and/or economics and have him explain what he found enlightening about them.”

    Well, he told me that he read Dreams from My Father, The Audacity of Hope, & It Takes A Village. He really liked the first two.

    Leave Barack Alone!

  724. Hey, doesn’t anyone remember Gina Davis as the American President? God, if they only knew when they aired that show that their star wouldn’t be as pretty as the real McCoy, or should I say the real McCain/Pain?
    Love Palin. Gave money. Betting on the old dude.
    Best of all, Mr. “I’m the new brand of politics. I am elevated”, was interviewed about Sara and said “Same old, same old thing”, while standing next to BIDEN!!!! yeah brother, you tell us the old white guy with experience that you picked isn’t Same Old/Same Old.

  725. She’ll attract the boob joke vote.

    I haven’t read the whole thread, but I tend to agree with Thor.

    (Insert boob vote joke here.)

  726. (Insert boob vote joke here.)

    Despite Palin’s addition to the GOP team, the race remains exactly equal: Two boobs on each ticket.

  727. Oh, and did you hear how the Dem bumper stickers will have the easy-off backing this year?

  728. Lack of experience, eh? Hmmmm. What other governer of a low ranked hick state ran for the White House?

    Is Maggie and RTO havin’ an anniversary? Happy anniversary!!!

  729. Darleen, I knew it wouldn’t last over there at Feministe.

  730. Salt lick – heh.

  731. Hint: Colorful humor.

    So, um, just what sort’a book are you writing. You’re so quick.

    Hint to thor: “polychromatic folly of wordplay” doesn’t mean the same thing as “colorful humor of wordplay”. At all.

    (Insert boob joke here) Palin is so dumb, she can’t even name the capitals of all 57 states.

  732. Carin, “Palin too hard on wife beaters” is one hell of a campaign slogan. I think HuffPo should run with it.

    The Left went to the barricades for a serial sexual harasser who may have also been a rapist. (Remember Kathleen Willey?) It’s no stretch to stand up for wife-beaters.

  733. Remember you thought Feministe was acting sane? Well, it didn’t last long.

    The thing that strikes me about that post, Darleen, is how much focuses almost entirely on things Palin has said, rather than her deeds. “She talks about having a child with Down Syndrome.” Yeah, she may be a self-made women who has broken stereotypes and fought her way to the top by taking on corrupt politicians toe to toe, but dammit she doesn’t spout the company propoganda on cue.

    So they continue to support Obama, who hasn’t accomplished shit, but knows how to talk it.

  734. Given the neo-classical backdrop used for Mr. Obama’s acceptance speech, the phrase “Quem deus vult perdere, prius dementat” comes to mind.

    Scanning the sinistrosphere this morning, all I can sense is fear. Expect the left’s reaction to Palin’s selection to conform to the five stages of grief. Denial is already upon us. Anger is next, and I just can’t wait.

  735. (Insert boob joke here)

    Taking the Palin candidacy head-on, Democratic sources revealed today that Senator Joe Biden has worn a bra for the past ten years.

    (Don’t encourage me, Carin).

  736. #

    Comment by Sean M. on 8/30 @ 2:34 am #

    Oh noes! It looks like some of the left’s expert internet super-sleuths may be searching for photos of Gov. Palin in…a swimsuit!!!

    BECAUSE OF THE…I’M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT, EXACTLY!!!

    Sarah Palin is a empty bikini, an affirmative action bimbo, a saggy egg layer; she’s a Moose Princess!

  737. “I sense that people are going to want to protect this women”

    Count me in on that. I expect, however, that she and her husband will do fine defending themselves.

  738. As you can see, thor (what a misnomer) is in the anger stage already. I doubt he’ll ever get to acceptance, though.

  739. “As a newby on this site, I am wondering why obvious headcases are included in the discussion.”

    My take is that they are here as examples of un-intentional humor.

  740. Funny thing is, we’r laughing at the “affirmative action bimbo” stuff because it’s so blatantly false. Meanwhile, in a house across town, doubt continues to linger and fear moves into the front room.

  741. I lissend to Palin’s acceptance speech.
    She starts her litany of vapor-ware accomplishments with “I was a PTA Mom”.
    How exactly does that qualify one to be one heartbeat away from the presidency?
    This choice is more evidence of McCain’s accelerating slide into senile dementia.
    there are other more qualified women in the republican party.
    Put. America. Last.

    Stepford Barbie might be one heartbeat away from the presidency, but importantly, she would be the next mind in line.
    McCain should sign a Reagan-style pledge to step down if he succumbs to age-related mental infirmities.
    He has already had 2 public episodes of shortterm memoryloss, confusing the Sunni and the Shi’ia and the Baghdad Surge with the Anbar Awakening.
    These episodes will increase in frequency as the aging process continues.

    Pundits predict Stepford Barbie will have a good week, and then crash and burn as she comes under scrutiny.

  742. But they’re too perfect in that role. I’m sure I’m not the first to suggest this, but they are just the kind of sock puppets I’d on my site to keep the commentary lively.

    I mean, people that unhinged are normally found sleeping on steam-grates. Though I suppose they could be posting from a public library.

  743. @ #742: Thor’s been in the anger stage ever since the first suggestion by anyone, anywhere, that Obama isn’t the Messiah.

  744. I have unfortunately been on-line long enough to become familiar with some of the more common types of internet sociopaths, and a familiar pattern is beginning to emerge. <a href=”http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/7459/nolifeaq8.jpg”)Behold nishi

  745. PTA Mom and Stepford Barbie, yeah, we got it. And bred a defective you would have shitcanned. Anything else, nishi?

  746. Whoops.

    I have unfortunately been on-line long enough to become familiar with some of the more common types of internet sociopaths, and a familiar pattern is beginning to emerge. Behold nishi

  747. Damn. I suck.

  748. Wake me when the first establishment feminist has the courage to act like a feminist and break ranks with the newly-minted talking points that turn a strong and successful woman who makes her own choices into a “woman-hating woman” or an “anti-feminist.”

    Oh, and Jesse Taylor is a simpering fop.

  749. I suppose a child is a choice only when it is aborted.


  750. Comment by Sam Hall on 8/30 @ 8:16 am #

    As you can see, thor (what a misnomer) is in the anger stage already. I doubt he’ll ever get to acceptance, though.

    Awww, did you sully your Depends? Why is one angry if they insult that beak-nosed bag of dumb from Hickville?

    Seems I recall quite a few derogatory generalities directed at a former Senior Lecturer of Constitutional Law from the University of Chicago, a magna cum laud graduate of Harvard Law, the former President of Harvard Law Review, and a undergraduate of Columbia University. I believe he’s been many times over described as a “magic” Negro, a hopey-changey slurper of the Hope Shaft.

    Maybe you’re not familiar with the term “turnabout is fair play.”

    Bring forth the four-eyed Moose Princess from Hickville, Alaska, the affirmative action ditz with her University of Idaho education, the one who was never taught about birth control, either that or she’s just too ignorant to understand the potency of the sticky seed that spews forth when a bimbo slurps too long on a white trash Hope Shaft!

    Har, har, har, uhyup. Let’s just see who more accurately matches the generalities Barack Obama was tarred and feathered with.

    It’s going to be a long two-months, crackers!

  751. See what I mean, Sam?

  752. I’m not angry, thor. I’m just watching you go through your own private stations of the cross. It’s interesting.

  753. Palin ruffled a lot of feathers by bucking the “old boys” network in Alaska, including members of her own party.

    WaPo is carrying the water for the Dems by trying to make something of her firing of her OWN APPOINTEE. They interviewed him and he is sniffing and whining it was because he refused to fire Palin’s ex-BIL.

    Oh the humanity over an Abuse of Power!!!

    Nevermind that Palin says that didn’t happen, nor is the trooper who is a wifebeater, used his taser on his ten-year old stepson, who fraudulently collected disability and hunted out of season and who THREATENED TO KILL both Palin and her father — Let’s leave those facts out, hmmm?

  754. The image Sam wanted to link is here. I think it looks more like thor, though.

    Nishtoon would be female and about six years old.

  755. Thanks, McGehee.

    But my own experience tells me that there are better than even odds that nishi is the one depicted. It fits a certain archetype.

  756. Todd Palin, First Dude, is part Yup’ik. Now there’s another first for Washington DC.

    The hysterics of desperation from the indecent Left, including the sour grapes from part-black Obama is pretty telling.

    Popcorn anyone?

  757. There are often discussions of “paper currency” vs “real money”.

    Now we have an election where the discussion is “paper accomplishments” vs “real accomplishments”

  758. One thing is certain. Identity politic’s chickens…have come home to roost.

  759. I believe he’s been many times over described as a “magic” Negro, a hopey-changey slurper of the Hope Shaft.

    Maybe you’re not familiar with the term “turnabout is fair play.”

    “Magic Negro,” as I understand the term, has to do with the attitude of whites toward Obama, and only describes him inasmuch as he believes his own transcendence. Whereas what you’re now attempting to do to Palin is attack her character without knowing anything about it — which, interestingly enough, is in keeping with the kind of reaction one would expect from whites who’ve invested so much in believing their own goodness comes from supporting a minority (you listened to his speeches and have gotten an idea about his policy ideas, thor; what is it you agree with, specifically?)

    I began disliking Obama when I began learning about his associations and politics — and when I took note of his tactics. You began disliking Palin the minute she was named, and you perceived a threat to your Magic Negro.

    Luckily she wasn’t Jewish, or that saggy “beak-nosed hick” would likely be a hirsute “hook-nosed usurer”.

  760. Addendum:

    add to ex-BIL’s list of “accomplishments” — racist.

    Nice people the Left want to crawl in bed with in attempting to smear Palin.


  761. Comment by Darleen on 8/30 @ 8:48 am #

    Nevermind that Palin says that didn’t happen, nor is the trooper who is a wifebeater, used his taser on his ten-year old stepson, who fraudulently collected disability and hunted out of season and who THREATENED TO KILL both Palin and her father — Let’s leave those facts out, hmmm?

    Let’s understand the difference in facts and slander spewed forth by a white trash liar and provincial Governor.

  762. I believe he’s been many times over described as a “magic” Negro, a hopey-changey slurper of the Hope Shaft.

    Maybe you’re not familiar with the term “turnabout is fair play.”

    Magic Negro was bestowed upon him by a fellow black progressive. And while Obama has been the victim of a few ad homs on this site, he has received far more substantive criticism. Criticism for which you have had no response at all.

    Are you familiar with the term “you got no fucking game, dude”?

  763. Let’s understand the difference in facts and slander spewed forth by a white trash liar…

    Now that is what I call unintentional irony.

  764. There is that elitism inherent in the attacks on Gov. Palin. The idea that those that fish for the succulent cracked crab or wild salmon served up fine china in a New York five-star restaurant are lesser beings only worthy of derision. My God! She hunts and fishes?? How gauche! How d’classe! She has more than 1.5 children? How dare she abuse her uterus that way! Enlightened, True Womyn know uteri are there for political advantage and job advancement.

    Keep it up, that is going to go over SO well with regular voters.

  765. #

    Comment by Jeff G. on 8/30 @ 9:06 am #

    I believe he’s been many times over described as a “magic” Negro, a hopey-changey slurper of the Hope Shaft.

    Maybe you’re not familiar with the term “turnabout is fair play.”

    “Magic Negro,” as I understand the term, has to do with the attitude of whites toward Obama, and only describes him inasmuch as he believes his own transcendence. Whereas what you’re now attempting to do to Palin is attack her character without knowing anything about it — which, interestingly enough, is in keeping with the kind of reaction one would expect from whites who’ve invested so much in believing their own goodness comes from supporting a minority (you listened to his speeches and have gotten an idea about his policy ideas, thor; what is it you agree with, specifically?)

    I began disliking Obama when I began learning about his associations and politics — and when I took note of his tactics. You began disliking Palin the minute she was named, and you perceived a threat to your Magic Negro.

    Luckily she wasn’t Jewish, or that saggy “beak-nosed hick” would likely be a hirsute “hook-nosed usurer”.

    But Jeff, no matter her accomplishments, few as they are, at the end of the day she is not on my team and therefore she is guilty of every slanderous name, every derision, every stereotype, every foible, every generality that I can slander and libel her with.

    That’s how the game is played. Once your opponent is named you attack them for their past associations, the ones that make them look as bad as possible. You do not need to read about them or understand their positions as long as you can connect them to someone else or a larger group narrative.

    I want to know this Sarah Palin’s husband’s name. I want to find out if he loves America! Or shall I say, loves America enough! Because, trust me, I don’t think he does but, regardless, I’ll make sure he is portrayed as such. Filthy Moose-loving Marxist! That’s who he will be during election season.

  766. How long before the Left gets to the “drag a $100 bill through the trailer park” stage. Or are they there already?

  767. thor

    read a little, eh? I posted a link.

    The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable, and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession,” Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006, letter suspending Wooten for 10 days

    That is some union up in Alaska that a trooper can tase his stepson, threaten to kill family members and keep his job.

    But hey, thor, if you want champion a racist, child abuser, go for it. Just proves again your own morally bankrupt character.

  768. There is no way the nutroot elites are going to be able to contain themselves, Darleen. Obama is going to get crushed, I am wondering now how many seats in Congress they might give away.

  769. is in keeping with the kind of reaction one would expect from liberals who’ve invested so much in believing their own goodness comes from supporting a minority

    I like that a little more.

  770. Thor, why don’t you just go shtup your Russian sow and let the adults talk, m’kay?

  771. But Jeff, no matter her accomplishments, few as they are, at the end of the day she is not on my team and therefore she is guilty of every slanderous name, every derision, every stereotype, every foible, every generality that I can slander and libel her with.

    No, it’s not. Stop projecting your insanity onto others.

  772. That’s how the game is played. Once your opponent is named you attack them for their past associations, the ones that make them look as bad as possible. You do not need to read about them or understand their positions as long as you can connect them to someone else or a larger group narrative.

    Yeah, Jeff, remember that thor has actually read Obamas books. He knows the man’s very soul.
    lmfao.

  773. Being a mother gives Palin more executive experience than O! could dream of achieving.

  774. thor is so much of a caricature that I feel I’m being toyed with.


  775. Comment by B Moe on 8/30 @ 9:09 am #

    Are you familiar with the term “you got no fucking game, dude”?

    Are you familiar with the term “suckle the hairy nipples of payback?” I hope not since I just coined the term. You’re the first to read it!

  776. That is some union up in Alaska that a trooper can tase his stepson, threaten to kill family members and keep his job.

    Remember, thor hangs out at a bar drinking and smokin’ dope with cops. He likes them down and dirty.

  777. #779
    Funny for a guy that can’t cover a yard. Still lookin for a cosigner?

  778. “Let’s understand the difference in facts and slander spewed forth by a white trash liar and provincial Governor.”

    In other words, let’s keep any discussion of facts tightly wound up in who can play the best game of ad hominem ad nauseam

    Which, coincidentally, Blowjob, seems to be your area. Your hyperbolic disdain for the benighted digit-draggers of flyover country is pitch-perfect to your ongoing audition to join/pretense of belonging to the Uppah Clahhhsss.

    In other words, you’re Nishi recast as the earnest Class Secretary and A/V Club Dweeb instead of a lulzy Goth poser who hasn’t been porked since prom.

    That’s my ad hominem, anyway. Ball’s in your court, Slurpy.

  779. #729 – Best of all, Mr. “I’m the new brand of politics. I am elevated”, was interviewed about Sara and said “Same old, same old thing”, while standing next to BIDEN!!!! yeah brother, you tell us the old white guy with experience that you picked isn’t Same Old/Same Old.

    I can’t wait for the VP debates. All the media spin in the world isn’t going to make crusty old DC Dinosaur Joe Biden look like Hope And Change when he is standing next to fresh-faced Sarah Palin.

  780. Well Alaska is a white trash outpost of no hope or redeeming literary value. It’s a cold, white Hell, full of stuttering stinkpots, cockeyed cutthroats and tree stump sluts with rough hewn tits that feel like sand paper. And that’s before the bastard Alaskans get angry!

  781. Well Alaska is a white trash outpost of no hope or redeeming literary value.

    If you are a prancing little ponce who is scared of Jack London, I suppose.

  782. Well my house is a white trash outpost of no hope or redeeming literary value. It’s a cold, white Hell, full of stuttering stinkpots, cockeyed cutthroats and tree stump sluts with rough hewn tits that feel like sand paper.

    Fixed it for you.

  783. Well Alaska is a white trash outpost of no hope or redeeming literary value. It’s a cold, white Hell, full of stuttering stinkpots, cockeyed cutthroats and tree stump sluts with rough hewn tits that feel like sand paper. And that’s before the bastard Alaskans get angry!

    The introductory text from Confusing Reality With Your Creative Writing Classes. 502.

    Cognitive Dissonance — Outselling Crack since 1957!

  784. Thor has devolved into a self-parody of a parody of a self-parody of a parody of a self-parody.

  785. Nishi

    Do you really want to make experience the decision-rule metric? OK, we have a choice between a ticket offering a VP candidate who is not ready and another ticket offering a Presidential candidate who is not ready. Oh, and the not-ready-for-prime-time VP candidate is objectively more qualified than the opposing Presidential candidate in terms of experience.

    See that man frantically waving at you over there? That’s David Axelrod. He wants you to stop bringing up the subject of experience.

  786. Bring me The Horse Fly Woman! Was she born under a mosquito net? The sign of a true Alaskan!

    Did she partake in the Inuit’s Whale Bone womanhood ritual? We need to know these things!

  787. #784
    Sounds a lot like Moscow these days.

  788. Thor, going to a hate-preaching church, and raising yout daughters in it, for twenty years, is a valid character concern. Working with a bomber radical and launching a political career in his livingroom, is a valid character concern. Finding out just how much a convicted felon who donated money to Obama in the form a deep real estate discount, is a valid character concern. Discovering that he acted three times to prevent protecting the rights of newborn survivors of attempted abortions, is a valid question about philosophy and character (and apparenty he lied about his involvement, according to his own campaign). And the concerns arise from facts. Not from liberal bigotry. What you are doing is straight out of Saul Alinsky’s book, Rules for Radicals, which the Obama camp seems also to be following with the arrest of an ABC reporter researching Obama’s big donors and threats of Justice Department investigations into TV stations airing some unfavorable Obama ads. After all, the first thing a good Marxist does is silence the opposition.

    I enjoy the panic you’ve added to your anti-expostulations, however.

  789. “Sarah Palin is a empty bikini, an affirmative action bimbo, a saggy egg layer; she’s a Moose Princess!”

    Unleash your hate, Luke.

  790. thor-azine hates what he fears.

    Does the term fascistic misogyny work?

  791. Alaska is similar to Moscow sans art, money, culture, history and educated citizenry, yep.

  792. Well my house is a white trash outpost of no hope or redeeming literary value.

    Area. Rugs. Trust me.

  793. If these people could point out some actual accomplishments, or hell, even attempts at accomplishing something even if he failed, then Obama’s character wouldn’t be such a concern. But since he hasn’t given us any glimmer as to what he is about, we have to glean this information from where ever.

    The Annenburg deal seems to be one of his few forays into actually doing something, and the Obama camp doesn’t want to make it public. Curious.

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  795. Alaska is similar to Moscow sans art, money, culture, history and educated citizenry, yep.

    Very good, thor. You have figured out Alaska isn’t Moscow.

    Not much, but it’s a start.

  796. The Annenberg deal was where Baracky squandered $100M on phony socialist hopeychange. That was just practice, B Moe.

  797. Palin, if she survives the debates: “checkmate.”

    Dems: sorry in advance for November. It will be a cold, cold month.

  798. Bring me The Horse Fly Woman! Was she born under a mosquito net? The sign of a true Alaskan!

    Did she partake in the Inuit’s Whale Bone womanhood ritual? We need to know these things

    Apparently someone told Gobbler-Boy here he was funny.

    I’m sure his Eskimo jokes rock the Klan circuit, though.

  799. I suppose thor knows so much about people who live in Alaska because he banged a chick from there once, huh?

  800. I hate to say it again… but for this insightful political commentary (thor’s) we lost Karl.

    (insert stretched-out vagina joke here)

  801. oh. I miss Karl. He helped me know where to click things to learn stuff.

  802. thor should be FORCED to provide some interesting and insightful commentary to make-up for it. Instead, he appears to be degenerating.

    Do you think he’s going to get WORSE as the election approaches? Can he sink lower?

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  804. “Comment by Carin on 8/30 @ 10:02 am #

    I suppose thor knows so much about people who live in Alaska because he banged a chick from there once, huh?”

    Probably not.

    The banging part, I mean.

  805. For “banged a chick from Alaska”, substitute “fondled himself while watching an episode of Deadliest Catch” and you will likley be closer to the mark.

  806. Boss,

    “The smears about Palin are rooting around looking for a place to roost.”

    They know the place quite well. That sound you hear is thousands of independent minds closing per second. Its like one hand clapping, but with discordant tone color. Minds like stereotypes, especially ones they don’t know are stereotypes. Your Dulcinea is under attack from the almighty media dog whistle!

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  808. I wonder how many $hopeychange went out of state to fund various “Post-Modern” poli-sci departments in, say, Arizona and California.

    I mean, the tax-payers ain’t fittin’ the bill for HateAmerica 101, 201 and 400, are they? And if they are, it can’t be with their full knowledge, can it?

    I’m thinking that maybe CAC was just a money-laundering scheme designed to remove foreigners’ fingerprints from donations to Anti-American educational campaigns. I’m sure that Cynthia McKinney’s overt solicitousness towards the $10M of Sheikie money that Rudy rejected after 9/11 wasn’t accidental.

    The overt part wasn’t, that is. She was just doin’ what CACky Baracky was doin’. Just out loud and public is all.

  809. These are the same Annenberg Foundation socialists that bankroll NPR. They already do lots of anti-American educational campaigns on a national level.

  810. Please read my prediction at comment #31.

    Here is today’s headline and blurb about Palin from the on-line edition of the LAT:

    Risky Palin pick raises questions about McCain
    By Peter Wallsten
    ANALYSIS: The GOP candidate passed on more seasoned candidates and settled on a largely unknown figure — is that putting “country first”?

    One other reference to Palin:

    The perils of Palin
    Tim Rutten: McCain’s VP pick will bring bread-and-butter conservative social issues into the campaign spotlight.

    Editorial: McCain’s gamble on Palin

  811. I hate to say it again… but for this insightful political commentary (thor’s) we lost Karl.

    And I hate to say it again, but this is bullshit. “We” lost Karl because Karl didn’t want to post here anymore lest I banned the fellow you all are actively engaging.

    Take a look at yourselves for a change and get off my back about Karl. He’s still welcome to post at the Pub, on my dime. He doesn’t want to. Because evidently I betrayed him.

    My principles, however, remain intact. So bully for me.

  812. It is not possible to ascertain the actual position of a politician of Left, as they have lauded the ability to deceive, by looking at their words. Words, to them, are only tools to obtain power and have no meaning or value outside of that.

    To find out what their actual positions are you must look at what they have actually done when they had power to accomplish some end. If they have little in the way of accomplishments to examine you must then examine the accomplishment of those they have voluntarily associated with over many years.

    When they try to hide what they have done and who they have associated with over many years, any words used are without meaning as the intention behind them is deception. The intent to deceive is the real meaning behind all the rhetoric from the Left.

  813. shes an awful choice.
    imagine her tryin to go toe to toe with Putin or Nejad.

    …As opposed to Obama going mouth to dick with either one.


  814. Comment by Sam Hall on 8/30 @ 10:20 am #

    For “banged a chick from Alaska”, substitute “fondled himself while watching an episode of Deadliest Catch” and you will likley be closer to the mark.

    Watch your mouth, greenhorn. Dare not blaspheme the greatest reality show evah!

  815. “shes an awful choice.
    imagine her tryin to go toe to toe with Putin or Nejad.”

    This is how I see that confrontation going.

    Apologies to the BSG fans as I am more in tune with another series that had strong female characters.

  816. I’m not on your back about Karl even if it feels that way maybe. He gave us a lot and I have gratefulness is all. His should be an honored memory I think cause he really did set a high bar for actually doing the work that really I think only Mr. Reynolds in the whole blogosphere thing comes close to offering, in his own different not-Karl way. But you’re still my favorite one.

  817. geoffb, I archived your last post. I will print it and hang it in my work cubicle.

  818. geoffb, I replied too slowly. Post 817 is the one I was talking about.

  819. Thank you!


  820. Comment by Jeff G. on 8/30 @ 10:50 am #

    My principles, however, remain intact. So bully for me.

    You remain the capering one! The last of the big time penetrators! When the succubi tempted you you slapped those gnomish creatures silly with your principled erectile, left to swim in puddles of protein principle!

    I’m going to name my next cat after you. I’ll be named Protisdom for the sake of brevity, which is a smart sounding name, like Track, Tug or Trig.

  821. Nishi doesn’t have a mother to be reminded of; bacteria reproduce by fission.

    Victor, I got to the point of wanting to shoot assholes like thor YEARS ago. I would say bring back dueling, but thor shows a lack of class that wouldn’t allow a gentleman to challenge him.

  822. I’ll = It’ll

  823. I liked Karl’s posts, too, Jeff. He added fleshy substance to the bones on your site.

    It’s too bad he couldn’t stomach the trolls, though. Seems Karl let the bastards wear him down, instead of letting his fans, like me ‘n happy, wear them down for him.

    To delete, or not to delete was the question. Faced with this question Jeff, you took Lao-Tzu’s Master’s approach: “Be open to all Men, and turn no Man away.” Karl picked the opposite approach. His seems to have been based less on principle and more on efficiency: if there is sand in the machine, then, by all means, get rid of the sand.

    Your approach assumed your blog was working in a secure, safe environment where the decoration of principle is paramount. Karl’s suggests he was posting in a war-zone, where efficiency rules.

    Given the tone of “Election ’08,” I think Karl can be forgiven for feeling that way. And. maybe, now that the Thors and Actus’ are on the run, Karl will rethink things and rejoin the family.

    ‘Cuz, here at PW, “We are a family! I got all my brothers and sisters with me!” And families have spats on occasion…Come home to Momma, Karl!
    -Steve

  824. Of course, if I was minded to stoop to thor’s level, I’d just send Governor Palin’s husband a link to this thread and another one to the directions thor posted to thor’s house, and let nature take its’ course. thor would be much improved by running through a bait chopper.

  825. Alaska is similar to like Moscow both sans art, money, culture, history and educated citizenry, yep.

    fixed it for you.

  826. Trig

    Beats the hell out of “Hussein”. In every sense of that phrase.

    “Trig” is Norse. Todd’s mother’s maiden name was Blanche Kellstrom. You got something against the Scandis, hammerboi?

    Gotta love the way that every slime-bomb tossed by Whore the Impotent and his fellow travelers scores an own-goal on their own candidate.

    Which, thinking way back to the beginning of this thread, was exactly Jeff’s point.

  827. Imagine how fucked Obama would be if McCain weren’t so senile and was making smart campaign strategy decisions.

  828. I’ve let thor and nishi do the work for me.

    Which would have been more difficult had they not been here.

    But for all the rhetorical excess, both thor and nishi are trying to make points. That those points are shallow and instructive of the mindset of a certain voter group is what I was after. And being lazy, I like it to come to me.

  829. Comment by Rusty on 8/30 @ 11:27 am #

    Alaska is similar to like Moscow both sans art, money, culture, history and educated citizenry, yep.

    fixed it for you Just to prove what a waterhead I am, look!

    Fixed it for you.

  830. I’ve let thor and nishi do the work for me.

    DANCE, MONKEYS!

    I denounce myself for racism.

  831. “And being lazy, I like it to come to me.”

    Like Iraq, the terrorist flypaper.

  832. #833 The flypaper theory? At least, that makes them more bearable to put up with.

  833. Too slow-curse these hungover fingers!

  834. both thor and nishi are trying to make points. That those points are shallow and instructive of the mindset of a certain voter group is what I was after.

    I’m not sure I need to have examples of batshit crazy flung in my face in nearly every thread about this year’s election, to know that batshit crazy is increasingly the order of the day in electoral politics. I don’t read many blogs on a regular basis, but I do peruse comment threads on a lot of news stories I read, and commenters there manage to show off the nishtoon/thor mindset quite capably without making the good stuff I come here for, increasingly like looking for a needle in a haystack.

    The blogs I do read regularly, I read for a chance to remind myself (or fool myself, some days I don’t know which) that there are still sane people in this world, talking sanely about things sane people care about. In short, I value places like PW as refuges — not from opposing views, but from the proudly irrational.

    I prefer to cross rhetorical swords with someone armed with something better than a sharpened popsicle stick and a hostile attitude, but such worthwhile opposition voices as we have here get lost in the sheer noise of nishi and thor, and the responses thereunto.

    For all that, PW is still the most enjoyable stop on my internet rounds.

  835. But for all the rhetorical excess, both thor and nishi are trying to make points. That those points are shallow and instructive of the mindset of a certain voter group is what I was after.

    I would agree they are instructive of the mindset of a certain voter group, but not that they are trying to make points. At least I can’t see one. All I see is projection.

    Having said that, I agree the instruction is well worth the bandwidth, and love your policy of non-banning. I too am weary of Karl being moaned over like so many jilted lovers. Yes, he was a great contribution to the site, but he was wrong to give an ultimatum, and personally I’m happy that things worked out for the best.

  836. You may not need it, McGehee, but I’m too lazy to go looking for it. Hell, at least part of the provocateurism series was in direct response to nishi. If you don’t want to read certain people’s posts, you can skip over them. I often do.

    Still, on occasion, when they aren’t wanking themselves over their own presumed superiority, they make cogent arguments.

    I admit, thor has become increasingly meanspirited of late. But that will either flame out or else reduce him to utter parody. Personally, I have no idea why he feels the need to hang out in a community whose regulars he so clearly despises. But then, I also have no idea how Carlos Mencia garnered a fan base.

    Mysteries of life. Go with it.

  837. Comment by B Moe on 8/30 @ 7:09 am #

    Hint: Colorful humor.

    So, um, just what sort’a book are you writing. You’re so quick.

    Hint to thor: “polychromatic folly of wordplay” doesn’t mean the same thing as “colorful humor of wordplay”. At all.

    Yes, actually, it does. Moreover I’ve never met a boob with a dictionary in one hand and no sense of context in the the other who was definitively literate. I’m certain I know a little about jingoistic word play, friend.

  838. And I hate to say it again, but this is bullshit. “We” lost Karl because Karl didn’t want to post here anymore lest I banned the fellow you all are actively engaging.

    Take a look at yourselves for a change and get off my back about Karl. He’s still welcome to post at the Pub, on my dime. He doesn’t want to. Because evidently I betrayed him.

    Um, no. With all respect to your reasonable decision, you were not the deciding factor. Indeed, Karl can post here and you did not chase him off. But the fact is, he’s not interested in swimming in a pool that thor continually pisses in, particularly when the piss is relentlessly directed at his head. That right there is the bottom line. If thor wasn’t such a malignant tangle of idiocy, or if Karl were more of a brawler, Karl would still be among us. That you had another option at your disposal is not central to the problem.

    Though you did get stuck in the middle of it, this one ain’t necessarily about you.

  839. Hey, thor! How about that wager, ya pussy? Put your money where your blowhole is, punk.

  840. Thor’s piss is directed wherever he thinks the spray will be found most fetid and unwelcome. And you’re right, it ain’t about me. So I ask that it stop being raised day in and day out as if it somehow were. To ban thor would have been to tell Dan that Karl was more important to the site. I wasn’t prepared to do that.

    If what you’re getting here now is not enough, there’s the pub, other sites, etc. If it’s more Karl you want, start an online petition to get him hired by some site that will better skim the piss.

    Hell, try Pajamas Media. They’ve all but abandoned me as a contributor. May as well really hammer home the message.

  841. My sense of it is that Karl wanted to instruct rather than brawl. If he’d been more of a brawler his posts might not have been near as educational.

    In not wanting to keep putting up with it, I can sympathize with Karl. In just walking out the way he did, maybe not so much. Then again, I don’t have the patience to invest in posts like those he wrote, so I come to these threads a little better fortified for what they turn into.

    Not invulnerably so, but better.

  842. BLOGGING IS FUN!

    I’m off. I have better things to do today than relive this nonsense yet again.

  843. As you read more, SPB, maybe you’ll better appreciate the polychromatic folly of word play.

    There is your context. If you replace folly with humor in that context the sentence takes on a completely different meaning. I appreciate the humor in clever word play. I don’t appreciate the folly in yours. Not the same thing.

  844. And you’re right, it ain’t about me. So I ask that it stop being raised day in and day out as if it somehow were.

    Reread the statement you responded to. It’s entirely true, and you’re not mentioned in it.

    Though another fact is that this contretemps seems to have been a major factor in your return to blogging with a vengeance. So, bonus!

  845. Sorry, Jeff. But yes, BLOGGING IS FUN!

  846. Yes, actually, it does

    No, actually, it doesn’t.

    It’s probably too late to get your tuition money back, but I hope you aren’t planning on racking up any more student loans.

    ‘Cause you sure ain’t going to be paying them back with plodding, strained, dullwitted “wordplay” like that, my friend.


  847. Comment by B Moe on 8/30 @ 1:14 pm #

    As you read more, SPB, maybe you’ll better appreciate the polychromatic folly of word play.

    There is your context. If you replace folly with humor in that context the sentence takes on a completely different meaning. I appreciate the humor in clever word play. I don’t appreciate the folly in yours. Not the same thing.

    I, uh, would like to reiterate my confidence in my ability to construct cogent enough word play, and also that only a rank fool would play the part of word-nerd.

    I’ll stick to folly as it was originally contextualized. In other words I’m quite comfortable believing you to be a hack whom has no business caring for words other than your own, or, more succinctly – my chops trump, Homer.

  848. thor is a trustifarian, SBP, no student loans for him. His wordplay only has to fool the underclassmen and co-eds who don’t know any better.

  849. I, uh, would like to reiterate my confidence in my ability to construct cogent enough word play, and also that only a rank fool would play the part of word-nerd.

    I guess I will have to cede you that point, you being imminently more qualified than I.

  850. thor is a trustifarian, SBP, no student loans for him.

    Ah. So, daddy issues, you’re saying? Like nishi?

  851. know wat Jeff?
    having Trig is Palins personal decision.
    its her right.
    but it is crap to applaud her for it.
    and it is very ugly to use it as political capital, and no way does it qual her for anything other than wetnurse.

    Real Life just isnt Forrest Gump, Jeff.

    You didnt answer my question.
    Is Palin qualled to be a heartbeat away from CinC?

  852. you could at least have the stones to say it is a bad choice, like Ponnuru and Krauthammer.
    instead these low IQ cudlips here.

  853. having Trig is Palins personal decision.
    its her right.
    but it is crap to applaud her for it.

    Fuck off.

  854. Ah, another whose words are well up inside him, who works through his angst by method of scholarly mimicry.

    I like to use this Roman maxim – “Sapiens nihil affirmat quod non probet!” (The wise only assert what they can prove.) Such Aristotelian teleology!

  855. Real Life just isnt Forrest Gump, Jeff.

    Goddamn, nishi. The ignorant pretentiousness of that is breathtaking.

  856. Heh.

    Nishi will mind her manners when you get some stones Jeff.

    If she had any that is.

  857. I like to use this Roman maxim – “Sapiens nihil affirmat quod non probet!” (The wise only assert what they can prove.)

    I can’t imagine what use you would find for that.

  858. How bad does is hurt your pride that nishi has a more formal veracity with her words (a epistemophilic ratiocination!) than you McGehee, or you, SPB?

    She butt humps both ya second-class word-flubbing flappers. No really, politics aside, she dominates you, not the other way around. She has you biting your own tails.

  859. Just to prove what a waterhead I am, look!

    Waterhead? I’m not the guy that brags he uses his melon for a doorstop. The idea is not to get hit, right?

  860. All that crap dumped here is so not coming out of the rug. It will have to be replaced.

  861. Dammit. Word salad again? Thor you are the world’s worst caterer.

  862. My background is in the hard sciences, so perhaps my perspective is somewhat limited. But in my experience, the truly intelligent people don’t trumpet the fact like a five-year-old on the playground. Maybe things are different for other fields of intellectual endeavor.

  863. Mr. Hall, most in my experience don’t say, “Hey, I’m really smart,” and then blather on about how smart they are to back up their claim. Instead, you sit around talking about stuff for a while and you might come to that conclusion about said person on your own. Or not.

  864. Yes, that’s what I have found as well. At any rate, I have come to realize that IQ is a poor indicator of a person’s worth.

  865. you could at least have the stones to say it is a bad choice, like Ponnuru and Krauthammer.
    instead these low IQ cudlips here.

    If I thought it a bad choice I’d say so. Like I did when the Republicans nominated McCain, and the Dems went starry-eyed over O!

    The only person using a Downs kid as a political prop is you, nishi. I don’t think Governor Palin was getting humped by her husband, all the time thinking, “wow, if this wad sticks, and if the resultant baby has Downs, but I have it anyway, and then I’m named as a VP candidate, how fucking awesome would that be?”

    Unlike, say, a few commenters here who never tire of patting themselves on the back for supporting a candidate because he’s black — and all his corruption and dubious connections are of no consequence, given the MAGNITUDE of what his ASCENT MEANS, culturally speaking.

    Your arguments don’t impress. Krauthammer, whom I like, has it wrong, in my opinion — as I argue in this very post. Ramesh I don’t much follow.

  866. “I, uh, would like to reiterate my confidence in my ability to construct cogent enough word play, and also that only a rank fool would play the part of word-nerd.”

    “I like to use this Roman maxim – “Sapiens nihil affirmat quod non probet!” (The wise only assert what they can prove.)”

    I will probably be shat upon also for this opinion.

    thor is playing with sounds, observing their effect upon those who look for meaning therein. The words are significant only in their effect and do not assert anything about the world itself. A Joycean song done in real time.

    If this election wasn’t such a serious thing his work would be more enjoyable.

    “Three quarks for Muster Mark! Sure he hasn’t got much of a bark And sure any he has it’s all beside the mark.”

  867. The first two sentences in quotes were supposed to be in Italic.

  868. The words are significant only in their effect and do not assert anything about the world itself.

    Tis folly, as I noted above. The only question is if one finds it humorous, or clever, which doesn’t seem to be the case.

  869. I don’t like to use Roman maxims. For real. Show me one time I ever have. I bet you can’t.

  870. thor is playing with sounds

    That, too.

  871. Cogito ergo vici, happyfeet. That is the only one you need to know.

  872. is that I think and therefore what I am is full of win? I like that one. Thanks, B Moe. My Latin teacher in high school was a snotty liberal cooze. Ok so that was a bad flashback, but I like that maxim.