I’ve just watched the video a couple of times–the Bob Schieffer interview with Wesley Clark–and I have to say that the overwhelming impression that I derive is that Clark is a mealy-mouthed, disingenuous, incoherent hack. It would be distressing, were he not so incompetent.
Clark tries to frame the issues right off the bat by stating that the “old politics of left and right” no longer apply. Then he states that a president’s greatest power is suasion, and that Baracky is oratorically gifted. Okay, but to what ends is that rhetorical power directed? That would seem to be a matter of some concern. He references his candidate’s “meteoric rise” as evidence of his competence. So far, it’s flimsy, but not objectionable.
Where he screws up entirely and loses any iota of credibility is when he attempts to contrast Baracky positively with McCain. He talks of McCain’s supposed lack of executive experience as a specific variety of background that a candidate ought to have. Obviously, this opens the gates to the countercharge that Baracky has none of the experience that Clark claims is indispensible, and less experience of practically any other kind that might be germane. Schieffer presses him at exactly this point, and there’s nothing that Clark can do but try lamely to avoid the issue.
If people really were stating that Clark was questioning McCain’s patriotism, then I think those people are wrong, but I strongly suspect that this is instead how liberal blogs were attempting to re-frame the issue in the aftermath of Clark’s having made such an ass of himself. I’m not sure exactly why Lisa seems so angry at Bob Schieffer’s questioning in this instance. I don’t know what Clark’s supposed to apologize for; he can’t help it that he’s a doofus. Who’s asking him to apologize? (That’s not a rhetorical question. I’ve just not been paying it any attention.)
Last week marked the 20th anniversary of the mass hysteria phenomenon known as global warming. Much of the science has since been discredited. Now it’s time for political scientists, theologians and psychiatrists to weigh in.
Richard Cohen demonstrates the comedic value of timing
I question McCains patriotism. Didn’t he cause a fire on the Forrester that killed hundreds of people? Didn’t he say he really didn’t love his country until he was POW?
No and never heard the love bit, have a source?
Froggie – That was bad, even for you. Coming on the heels of the US infecting blacks with syphillis, it is clear that you are in rare form today.
Don’t feed the trolls, EG…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkPUBn3vyoM
Yeah, and Baracky started the Chicago Fire. And Peshtigo.
Here you go another link to the McCain not loving his country story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/19/watch-mccain-didnt-love-a_n_108191.html?page=4
What? He wasn’t proud of it till he was the presumptive Republican nominee?
The Huffington Post. Where posts about Cheney and Rumsfeld generate comments wishing them death or ill health.
If that is the source, then it is to laugh.
Interesting Progg, thanks. My advice would be to run the clips of John recounting how he came to love America while he was being tortured for serving her as often as possible. You know, to counteract the totally similar clips by Michelle. In fact, they should be run back to back as often as possible.
Being a POW does not qualify one to be President, Wesley Clark was right.
Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 11:25 am #
I question McCains patriotism. Didn’t he cause a fire on the Forrester that killed hundreds of people? Didn’t he say he really didn’t love his country until he was POW?
That’s the USS Forrestal, and an electrical arc caused the rocket on his plane to launch.
And being a community organizer does?
“#
Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 11:40 am #
Being a POW does not qualify one to be President, Wesley Clark was right.”
And living in Indonesia as a child does? Or being a Community Organizer™? One stint in a state legislature? 2years a US Senator? Having an angry bitch as a wife?
Being a POW does not qualify one to be President, Wesley Clark was right.
No, but his particular POW experience shows him to be (at that time at least) a man of exceptional character. Wesley Clark is kind of an idiot. Just saying.
The Lightbringer of Hope™ and Change© disagrees with you. Take it up with him.
“#Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 11:40 am #
Being a POW does not qualify one to be President, Wesley Clark was right.”
You’re not good enough to sniff John McCain’s jock strap.
If this man has no experience and is totally wrong on every issue according to you guys, why is he leading in polls? Why does he even have a chance of winning the presidency?
#12 : “…the rocket on his plane to launch…”
It was not his plane that launched the rocket, rather it was another plane across the deck and it was McCain’s plane that was struck by the missile.
Comment by N. O’Brain on 7/1 @ 11:48 am #
“#Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 11:40 am #
Being a POW does not qualify one to be President, Wesley Clark was right.â€Â
You’re not good enough to sniff John McCain’s jock strap.
Que pasa?
ProggHero
Because Hillary wasn’t well liked? Never forget that you live in a country in which people used to buy rocks, as pets.
What an utter dork.
Sorry about the spanish NObrain, but I was trying to speak in a language McSame’s supporters would understand.
@ #19: Thanks, I was hoping someone else would get that so I wouldn’t have to.
Defending McCain, even against an outright lie, doesn’t agree with my digestion.
Thanks Sdferr, I mangled that.
Wes Clark, would be instigator of World War III over a useless airport in Pristina, is qualified to comment on who is qualified to be President.
MY HEAD REALLY, REALLY HURTS.
“#Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 11:53 am #
Sorry about the spanish NObrain, but I was trying to speak in a language McSame’s supporters would understand.”
No, you’re just a pretentious reactionary fucktard.
wishbone! All going well?
PH,
The fallacy of mass appeal. Google it.
“If this man has no experience and is totally wrong on every issue according to you guys, why is he leading in polls? Why does he even have a chance of winning the presidency?”
Because no one’s paying all that much attention, yet, boner. But they are paying attention to the price of gas all the while watching the heads of your party in Congress plus your nominee tell them they aren’t going to do anything about it.
Gas prices are going to strangle the Democrats. Deal with it.
Here’s your hero ReactionaryZero:
“Obama’s Plan
Obama’s tax plan has two major components. First, he promises to end the Bush tax cuts, allowing the top two tax rates to return to 36 percent and 39.6 percent. Second, he promises to end the Social Security payroll tax cap for incomes above $250,000. Individuals making more than $250,000, therefore, would face a 15.65 percent tax rate from payroll taxes in addition to a top income tax rate of 39.6 percent for a combined tax rate topping 56 percent. Individuals living in cities or states with high taxes such as New York City or California would have tax rates approaching 70 percent, levels not seen since Carter was president.”
http://blog.heritage.org/2008/07/01/morning-bell-the-tax-man-cometh/
Like I’ve said before, Obama would make Jimmy Fucking Carter look like Abraham Lincoln.
NObrain does using the F word make you feel warm and fuzzy inside? Or do you just use it when you have nothing else to say?
I wonder if Clark isn’t poisoning the water to help McCain get elected in a backhanded way? I mean, Hillary can’t really run against President OBama in 2012, and by 2016 she’ll be so old that all the king’s face lifts and all the king’s botox won’t put her back together again.
why is he leading in polls?
So when he wasn’t leading in polls, did that prove he had no experience and was wrong on every issue? Or do polls mean nothing but popularity contests until the actual election?
In case you’re trying to learn about the fire on the USS Forrestal, here’s the first result Google returns:
link
Conspiracy theorize much?
Here ya go, proggie, from RTO’s site Signaleer:
This entry in Wiki has a diagram to show where the bomb came from that struck either McCain’s plane or the one next to him.
Now you should apologize for telling lies about McCain, smearing a veteren. Or, you could continue in this vien and see how that works out vis a vis your candidate getting elected.
I read your post about mass appeal Karl thanks. I just do not see what is wrong about pointing out how everyone in here thinks they are right and that the other side is not only wrong but morons. While the other side is 90% of this country.
One of these days, ProggHero is going to get something right. Brace yourselves.
#Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 12:08 pm #
NObrain does using the F word make you feel warm and fuzzy inside? Or do you just use it when you have nothing else to say?”
The name is N. O’Brain, fucktard.
In re: ProggHero
This guy has to be an amusement troll.
People, c’mon, he’s vaporating on Nishi’s A/S/L. I think the secret to his success is being one of the better internet straight men.
BRD
“#Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 12:11 pm #
I read your post about mass appeal Karl thanks. I just do not see what is wrong about pointing out how everyone in here thinks they are right and that the other side is not only wrong but morons.”
Not only moronic, but evil.
“While the other side is 90% of this country.”
Another lie.
Reactionaries like Zero constitute about 15% of the electorate.
I think PH may have read that Gallup poll in which 84% reject wealth redistribution backwards.
See how that fallacy works both ways?
Ok maybe not 90, but at least the 70 percent of people that think bush sucks.
Seriously:
“I just do not see what is wrong about pointing out how everyone in here thinks they are right and that the other side is not only wrong but morons.â€Â
I don’t see anything wrong with that, either. But addressing it with the fallacy of mass appeal doesn’t cut it. If you want to point out where someone here is wrong, do it with substance instead of pointing at the bandwagon.
PH isn’t interested in the facts of his allegations. He just wants to get a reaction from the rest of us. As soon as any details are presented, he goes to the, “If I’m so wrong why do the polls agree with me”, schtick. So much for a brilliant parody. Pendejo.
I mean seriously guys, name for me in one way McCain will not be another term of bush. He even mimicks his immigration stance. Also he probably will appoint judges far to the left of Roberts. So in every way imaginable for you guys he sucks from where I am standing.
And PH does it again. Almost as many people used to think Truman sucked. Did that make them right?
It’s true that being a POW does not in and of itself qualify one to be president. However, it’s stupid to downplay the man’s experience, given that he had the chance to escape early and refused because the others weren’t going to be released either. That speaks to character.
Again, it does not in and of itself qualify one to be president. However, McCain does have long years in the senate, so it’s not as if he’s wet behind the ears.
Look, attacking McCain is stupid, especially on this blog. Most of the dextrosphere isn’t in love with McCain anyway. We’re going to vote for him on the Lesser Of Two Evils principle, so the only logical attack is to prove that the lesser of two evils is actually Obama.
“If this man has no experience and is totally wrong on every issue according to you guys, why is he leading in polls? Why does he even have a chance of winning the presidency?â€Â
You can’t be serious. Popularity is a separate phenomenon from being a good president. I mean, Paris Hilton is famous, but I wouldn’t trust her to push the right button in an elevator.
Most people vote based on general impressions, not on having carefully weighed and studied the issues. Obama is more hip and happenin’ than McCain–which is admittedly no feat–so that’s why he’s popular.
Popular, PH, not qualified. Huge difference.
PH,
You realize that you just asked people to identify how McCain will differ from Bush and in the same post said McCain will appoint judges far to the Left of Bush, don’t you?
Well 711 I am not the only one saying these things. Go to any left wing blog and you will see them. Maybe you are not used to taking in other opinions.
PH,
Another problem you seem to have is grasping the concept that one might believe that “McCain sucks” and that “Obama sucks more.”
I mean seriously guys, name for me in one way McCain will not be another term of Bush. He even mimics his immigration stance.
Really? You don’t say! We hadn’t noticed.
Name for me in one way Obama will not be another term of Carter, or worse, Woodrow Wilson.
Like I said, we don’t love McCain over here. We just hope against hope that he won’t suck as bad as we fear he will.
Well Karl I have about 5 people evicerating me right now and am getting confused.
“#Comment by ProggHero on 7/1 @ 12:17 pm #
Ok maybe not 90, but at least the 70 percent of people that think bush sucks.”
Which doesn’t make them all reactionaries like you.
PH,
You have no idea how funny the notion that pw does not take in opinion from left-wing blogs is. This site has ahad so many running bolg wars with sites like Pandagon and Feministe that in a recent independent map of the political blogosphere, pw was located near the center, based on the number of links between left-wing blogs and pw.
Here’s a post that demonstrates what Karl’s saying, Proggie.
#51 dicentra,
You’re a moron. Obama is black.
18–because Bush has done a bad job.
which does not imply that a return to 1979-vintage nation magazine type liberalism–and that is precisely who and what Obama is–is both necessary or beneficial.
By the way, I know no one on the right who says that because he suffered so mightily as a POW, he is qualified to lead this nation. Its just proof that he knows a lot about quitting early, abandoning allies and true sacrifice.
Comment by Karl on 7/1 @ 12:26 pm #
PH,
You have no idea how funny the notion that pw does not take in opinion from left-wing blogs is. This site has ahad so many running bolg wars with sites like Pandagon and Feministe that in a recent independent map of the political blogosphere, pw was located near the center, based on the number of links between left-wing blogs and pw.
Well why when I post what I have seen, read, or heard on a left wing blog or comment section of a major newspaper that represents any proggressive thought am I brutally attacked by everyone?
PH
Re: Assuming 52 is a response to 48, I should also add that there are plenty of people of various flavors on the Right who are not thrilled with Bush, either. I would guess that many pw regulars would say that aside from taxes, the war and judges, they are not all that thrilled. Indeed, even on judges, our host Jeff was among the more vocal critics of the Harriet Miers nomination.
#56 HokiePundit
You’re a black. Obama is a moron.
Or something…
Two reasons spring to mind:
1. Most of the pw regulars are not proggs; and
2. Most are not impressed with the fallacy of mass appeal.
About McCain’s POW stint:
Dennis Miller (or is it Glenn Beck? I can’t remember) is fond of saying that because of his stay in the Hanoi Hilton, McCain knows the face of evil: he saw it every day as it pushed slop through the flap in the door.
So he at least gets that some people have to be flat-out stopped: not talked to, not appeased, not coddled, not ignored–stopped. And the only way to stop them is usually to kill them. God Himself cannot redeem people who refuse to change their ways. Best get them off the planet so they don’t hurt any more innocents.
“2. Most are not impressed with the fallacy of mass appeal.”
Folks here don’t like Hannah Montana? I’m crushed.
So if I post this link as an example of people that think like me it will be laughed at?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/30/135621/410
PH
I’m sorry for brutally attacking and eviscerating you. Next time I’ll just make an argument with words. Or maybe pie.
Maybe you’re this guy.
but at least the 70 percent of people that think bush sucks.
I keep seeing retarded proggs throw that number around as if all those people don’t agree with President Bush because he’s not progressive enough. Conservatives are mad at GWB because of immigration reform, federal spending, not fencing the borders and some think he has been to easy on islamic terrorists and their idealogical brothers the Dems/MSM. You fools never even consider that do you?
Believe me most of those people when faced with a Obama or McCain choice are going to pick John McCain. Some will set out but the more you Obamabots posture you will give them all the energy they need to push the R button on election day
N.O’Brain:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! I read that and before I could do anything about it, it, was…LINDA CARTER!! And she kneeling next to a crumpled up Wonder Woman costume on the floor, and, and, Jimmah was, OMG, NO NO NO NO…AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
plop
Well 711 I am not the only one saying these things. Go to any left wing blog and you will see them. Maybe you are not used to taking in other opinions.
Sure, and I go around writing that Obama is a Muslim, and other shit I know not to be true just to antagonize people. I read plenty of blogs, most of them progressive, and I don’t go out of my way to be a jerk. I do, however, use sarcasm to prove a point. Otherwise, I try to just ask questions to see where others are coming from. Kinda like asking you about voting regardless of being disappointed with a candidate changing their policy position. You’re not trying to persuade anyone.
Blog? Borg?
Borg…hmm…that may explain John Cole.
Eh? I thought you were just being attacked for unsourced stupidity, which we may have mistaken for the homegrown kind.
Wow! In a single day after a hissy fit, I am proven 100% correct. I guess now that Dan has posted this you can all fall into line now. It was confusing for y’all yesterday when the hissy fit was happening — like chickens with heads cut off.
Cue lame references to “it”; “Baracky”; “Palooky”; Obama HEARTS terrorism, etc., etc. (like clock work)
There is something so very unwholesome about “traditional” muslim dog-hate, but the expectation that anyone should have to cowtow to it is worse.
According to Gallup, Bush’s approval rating stands at a woeful 26%.
Congress, on the other hand, sets an all time record for an abysmal, horrific approval rating of 12%!
Bottomline: People ain’t so enamored with just about all of their public servants. BTW: Same link shows Obama with a 5% lead over McCain, hardly the massive landslide you have proclaimed several times.
Let me guess, proggie, you don’t know anybody who voted for Bush in ’04, do you? Take a little time and look up the definition of the word “insular.”
We’re actually more impressed with the phallus of mass cock-slapping…
Truth be told, you don’t learn much about national security in a POW cell. You learn to survive.
John McCain would be better served by ceasing to use his ill fortune in becoming a prisoner of war to press his case for “qualification” to serve as President. Military service is not a prerequisite, nor should it be. In my career in the Army, I saw many soldiers and officers who were dumb as shit serving honorably. Wouldn’t want em as Prez, though.
Things are broken in this country and a sure way not to fix them is to elect McCain. Only an idiot continues to do the same thing hoping for different results.
I always see people referencing “paid bloggers”. Is it really true people pay campaigns to have people spam comment boards and websites? Sounds to me like a dumb waste of money.
Hopeychanginess didn’t work back in ’92; why should we think it’ll work now?
“Things are broken in this country and a sure way not to fix them is to elect McCain.”
A pretty sure way of breaking things that don’t need fixing is to elect Obama.
“#Comment by McGehee on 7/1 @ 12:36 pm #
brutally attacked by everyone
Maybe you’re this guy.”
I identified the masochist troll long ago as a lefrist who post stupid and or inane comments then reads the comments attacking him while he plays “yankee-my-wankee”.
Wow! In a single day after a hissy fit, I am proven 100% correct.
To which, your claim that McCain’s military career was a failure or your claim that his military career was lackadasial? Which one of those claims were you proven right on? B/c I haven’t seen any proof of either yet.
Last I checked, your argument on the other thread was
a) the above ridiculous claims and
b) that McCain did not have any experience to qualify him to be president.
Which of those claims were you proven right about again? And, you still have not stated one single iota of experience that Obama has that qualifies him to be president.
Wow. I’m right again. After your inane and ignorant postings yesterday, I am proven 100% correct that you are inance and ignorant! imagine that.
“#Comment by SarahW on 7/1 @ 12:40 pm #
There is something so very unwholesome about “traditional†muslim dog-hate, but the expectation that anyone should have to cowtow to it is worse.”
Cowtow? you just insulted Hindus I denounce that.
I was referencing 75 with my last comment. Because I see that same comment alot on blog comment sections. Another one is the “I am a Hillary supporter for McCain”, both of which get ridiculed.
Popular themes seem to be “I used to support this party but now I am switched due to X,Y,Z.” I am sorry but I do not know anyone that ever said “I was going to vote Hillary, but now I am voting McCain.”
Wow! In a single day after a hissy fit, I am proven 100% correct.
What color is the sky in your world?
What culture could hate dogs?
Bright-eyed, loving, romping, some save human lives, others act as guides, as lifelong companions.
I wonder who has the trump in a restaurant in the former Great Britain: a seeing-eye dog with its companion or Sheikh al-Miserah?
Oh, great, paloser’s back to offer up expert instruction on how we all suck at debate, lose every last one and are nothing but a bunch of ‘thuglican chickenhawk racists. Declaring widespread victory will not be far behind.
Advil … where is my Advil…
BJ – It declared victory in its first sentence.
“I am sorry but I do not know anyone that ever said “I was going to vote Hillary, but now I am voting McCain.â€Â
Did you know anyone who voted for Nixon?
Would that induce mass hysteria?
You know who gets no respect in threads like this? Ron Paul. I mean he is still running for POTUS people.
Oh wait, I guess he isn’t anymore. Damn.
Only an idiot continues to do the same thing hoping for different results.
Which is why I am always so surprised you leftists haven’t had a new idea in 50 years, despite your ideas always failing miserably. You would think that after the fall of the USSR you would give up on wealth redistribution. Or after the failure of the Carter presidency you would give up on many other leftist economic and social ideas. Or the failure of Welfare, head start, or a plethora of other liberal ideas would cause you to even once step back and say – gee, our philosophy has produced nothing but utter failure and yet we keep stikcing to it.
Just saying.
Yet another endearing, cuddly, alluring quality of Radicalized Islam. The list just keeps growing.
I would vote for Ron Paul over John McCain.
Really? I thought WSJ’s Best of the Web had published a farewell haiku for Paul. Ansd you know what, I keep RuPaul confused with Ron Paul.
Because “progressive thought” is an oxymoron.
Hey, ED: I read somewhere that his stalwarts have won some delegates at state Republican conventiopns. They’re planning floor demonstrations to seat Martian representatvies or something like that.
To be fair the world needs Martian representatives to counteract all the zionists. I mean Kucinich can only do so much on his own.
Ya, that Ron Paul is a real progressive. If it weren’t for Paul’s embracing of the “Iraq War is illegal” crap, he would be your worst nightmare.
Comment by JD on 7/1 @ 12:51 pm #
BJ – It declared victory in its first sentence.
Hey, no using “it”. It’s offensive..oh..i said it again…we are the knights who say…icky, icky, niwong.
My worst nightmare is Helen Thomas in a negligee, on our honeymoon.
Geezer, just for you:
winter for Paul bots
snow hides piles of gold standard
as fire first melts steel
OK–can someone please point me in the direction of “things that are broken” because I’m having a hard time coming up with one–OTHER THAN THE SCREWY NO DRILLING POLICIES THE F’IN LIBERALS LOCKED IN PLACE. OR ARE WE REFERRING TO THE MORTGAGE “CRISIS” THAT PEOPLE LIKE CHRIS DODD ARE “REPAIRING.” OR PERHAPS IT’S THE FACT THAT DOLTS LIKE K2SNOTHOME BELIEVE THAT EVERYTHING IS JUST AWFUL AS AN ARTICLE OF FAITH.
Sorry for the rant. I was just being inartful, heated and distracting from the real challenges that confront America that mostly consist of taking my money and giving to various asshats like K2snothome who need a job.
That was sarcasm–a literary device.
Ron Paul is like an undead Pat Paulson.
You are a sick sick evil man, Edu Guy. Rosie shaving her hairshit while nailing Mikey Moore with a strap-on.
“I would vote for Ron Paul over John McCain.”
And that makes you a certified idiot. Ah, the wonders of letters of marque and the gold standard. And let’s not forget to blame things on the JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS.
Hey look now Webb has come out and criticised McCain’s service, and you people say Obama is not one amazing politician.
wishbone! How was the trip back to the warm, loving embrace of the US of A!
“you people say Obama is not one amazing politician.”
Just what I am looking for in a President. Rather than a leader.
that, too, was sarcasm.
Glad I went, glad to be back.
Drop me an email, JD.
Only an idiot would not see all these recent comments on McCain’s service as anything other than a coordinated attack by the Obama campaign. The old man is going to be toast.
wishbone – Don’t be afraid to say what you really think.
“Well why when I post what I have seen, read, or heard on a left wing blog or comment section of a major newspaper that represents any proggressive thought am I brutally attacked by everyone?”
Because dissent is the highest form of patriotism? ::shrug:: Or, less snarky, because you can post that stuff you also have the responsibility to take the consequences of doing so such as having silly arguments torn to shreds. You cannot claim to be able to voice your views and then silence those who would disagree.
Well, maybe you can.
PT
Jim “I turn young boys upside down and put their cranks in my mouth” Webb is criticizing McCain’s service?
Wishbone – Will do tonight. Good to hear all is well with you. Now, quuit holding back, and say what you think.
proggie: you mean this from Huffpo?
Quite a bit different from disparaging a man’s military service as an “executive” position just because it wsn’t in “wartime.”
I agree with Webb (ow, that hurt.) Let’s take the politics out of military service. Let’s not, however, dismiss military service as a positive part of the resume either.
You’re pretty much a one issue proggie, aren’t you, proggie?
Yes PH, the Dems are trying to take away the patriotism advantage that McCain has. Currently there is a patriotism gap, which Obama needs to bridge with sweater vests and upside down naked children.
…and you people say Obama is not one amazing politician.
Indeed, he reminds me of a young Robert Mugabe.
Hey look now Webb has come out and criticised McCain’s service, and you people say Obama is not one amazing politician.
Wow, a candidate gets other party people (who are hoping for jobs if the candidate wins) to attack the opponent. You are right. He is amazing. I have not seen any other presidential candidate accomplish this ever. He is a new kind of candidate, above the old politics, entirely in the new politics. I will vote for him to hope and change. What that means nobody knows, but he is amazing and therefore I am amazed at how he amazes with his amazement.
“Indeed, he reminds me of a young Robert Mugabe.”
Crap, that is funny. Evil, but funny.
I was hoping this might be something like Portnoy’s Complain…
Oh well.
GB : Even more amazing HE GETS THESE PEOPLE WHO WANT JOBS AND SEEK INFLUENCE IN HIS CAMPAIGN TO ATTACK A DECORATED WAR VETEREN ON HIS MILITARY RECORD ANS DISPARAGE HIS EXPERIENCE. ALL THIS FOR A CANDIDATE WHO HAS NO REAL EXPERIENCE BUT HAS JUDGEMENT BECAUSE OF HIS WORDS, IF NOT HIS EXPERIENCE.
I see Fellini outside my door. Can the dwarf clowns and fat prosititutes be far behind?
To be fair the world needs Martian representatives to counteract all the zionists. I mean Kucinich can only do so much on his own.
Don’t forget Cynthia McKinney is the Green Candidate.
I just do not see what is wrong about pointing out how everyone in here thinks they are right and that the other side is not only wrong but morons.
There is nothing wrong about pointing out the truth, though it’s probably not “everyone in here”. Rather than moaning about the existence of the dominate beliefs here you disagree with, how about showing us where we aren’t right, using “facts”? That’s what we are doing with the beliefs we disagree with.
If you step into a group of capitalists happy they live in a country whose constitution guarantees them individual property rights, and declare a socialist/fascist system is better, try not to be amazed that there is disagreement.
OBAMA IS A GENIUS TO GET PEOPLE IN HIS PARTY TO ATTACK A DECORATED WAR VETERAN BECAUSE THIS IS A BRILLIANT STRATEGY THAT WILL ENDEAR HIM TO VOTERS (like proggie and paloser.)
Yup, it still makes me laugh. Go for it, dudes!
– ProgHorn, like all good little Marxists, fails to even realize hes still here commenting, in spite of his obvious attempt at inflammatory idiocies, and thread jacking nonsense, even as he claims PW intolorance for counter views.
– Ignoring the gestapo tatics at Leftwing cites, at one and the same time.
– More proof its all just lexiconal blather for the Lunarbats.
– BTW, I thought we had settled this issue, even to Lisa’s satisfaction, and that in the end, it all comes down to the care and feeding of clits.
Cavorts about like a dork and squeals to see her name (and latest bitch/rant subject) up in lights!! Squee!!!
But I still remain convinced that this whole thing was manufactured nonsense. Clark may or may not be an asshole, but that is totally beside the point.
If people really were stating that Clark was questioning McCain’s patriotism, then I think those people are wrong, but I strongly suspect that this is instead how liberal blogs were attempting to re-frame the issue in the aftermath of Clark’s having made such an ass of himself.
It was McCain’s service that was purported to be attacked. Complete and utter bullshit. He never did it. He did say McCain would make a suckassed president blah blah blah. But that is standard campaign shit. The absolute LIE that was pulled out of the asses of the pearl clutchers was that Clark “attacked” McCain’s service by saying the man was a hero for getting shot down in Vietnam, but not necessarily qualified to be president because of it. That may or may not be accurate (after all, the president is the head of the military so the statment is arguable). However, saying he “attacked his record” is a bunch of steaming bullshit. And Obama is class-a cunt for taking the bait. How can you say you are a new kind of politician when you let the right play you like that? Next they will tell him that the sky is fucking green and he is a commie for saying any different. And in response he will issue an apology and distance himself from the color blue.
Cheers. Gotta run, more meetings.
Rouge italics!!
– I like my italics with a little bit of cream and sugar.
winter for Paul bots
snow hides piles of gold standard
as fire first melts steel
ROFLMAO!!
PH, there’s always a write in for Mike Gravel.
Did you know anyone who voted for Nixon?
Proggy is no Pauline Kael.
Can the dwarf clowns and fat prosititutes be far behind?
BJ – You will burn in eternal hell for that one.
“I mean Kucinich can only do so much on his own.”
Yeah, he is looking more and more like the Keebler Elf® after getting demoted to fudge packer.
As a comment tool, I like my italics black, and leaning right.
I denounce myself.
wHAT, jd? THEY WEREN’T FEATURED IN fELLINI MOVIES?
wHAT? (HEH)
Wait, though . . . my understanding is that he misstated the actual nature of McCain’s service. For example, just what level of executive authority he exercised in his leadership of his squadron. If he was unsure regarding the nature of McCain’s service, it was incumbent upon him to discover what it was. You cannot argue that he doesn’t have access to the information. I think it a stretch to claim that he wasn’t aware of the actual nature of McCain’s service.
Whoa! COMMENT APOCALYPSE!!! (sorry)
Kucinich looks like Gazoo, the alien from Flintstones.
Lisa, I’m sorry, but Wesley is a dick because of the snarky diminishing of McCain’s executive experience as a squadron commander with the caveat of “not in wartime.”
That was lame, disengenuous and stupid. He should be held to the spotlight for that comment alone. Plus you know damn well that the Obamatons are just a bit concerned with the debate being focused on experience and the inevitable comparisons that will not flatter him in that regard.
Go to Signaleer, RTO’s blog, and read what McCain actually accomplished as a “non wartime executive” with that squadron and then we’ll talk about clark’s credibility.
My worst nightmare is Helen Thomas in a negligee, on our honeymoon.
Rosie shaving her hairshit while nailing Mikey Moore with a strap-on.
These right here are war crimes. I’m reporting your asses to the Geneva Convention.
Lisa, the attack was not in what was said, but in what was deliberately left out.
– Not quite there SGT. They don’t rise to the level of full up war crimes if Janet Reno’s name doesn’t appear somewhere in the sentence.
– Including some image provoking phrases like “Janet Reno in black leathers, and 7 inch stilettos, giving BJ’s in the back booth at a Miami discotheque”, and you have the makings of a hanging offense.
– And yes I unequivocally denounce myself for that one.
I really don’t think Janet’s the BJ-giving type, BBH. Think carpet and curtains.
– Numbnuts Clark was on the morning talk show circuit again today, and said hes sorry if his comments “distracted” from Obama’s message, but didn’t back down from his statements concerning McCain.
– Can we safely say that nimrod, and his political tin-ear are no longer on Obama’s short list for VP, if he ever really was?
– Can we safely say that
– Kelly, denounce yourself and then go to your room and sulk properly.
I just heard Lanny Davis denounce Clark on Fox. He said Clark’s remarks were “..insensitive, to say the least..”
The way progg veterans support their brothers in arms reminds me of the way Obama supports America.
Kerry calls them baby-killers(ironically, considering his parties position on abortion), and Clark reduces McCains military accomplishments to failing a mission resulting in five years looking through bars.
I think Obama and Clark should give more props.
– He also said “What gives Clark the pass to even comment on McCains war record, and who asked him to, I don’t understand his motives.”
– Which is good cover if Clintons finger prints are on this kerfluffle. Remember, Lanny is such an avid supporter of the Hillery, he’d be permanently implanted up her ass if she didn’t wear pantsuits at all times.
You are all wrong,and you Dan.
Clark did not disparage McCain’s military record, he just said that it is irrelevant to the job of the president.
Here is where you all miss the point:-4 years ago Clark was promoting Kerry, and then he said that Kerry’s bravery and service ARE IMPORTANT TO the job of the president.
Hypocrisy, plain and simple, partisan games
Actually, I’m a tad disappointed with garden variety denouncing these days. The uber- or mega- denouncement is what I’m aiming for. Gotta up my game.
“Lanny is such an avid supporter of the Hillery”
Hillary’s jockstrap, I like it!
would you like to know how swiftboating actually looks like?
I think the fact that McCain flew an airplane that got shot down should be irrelevant in this campaign – just like the fact that Cindy McCain was a drug addict, forged perscriptions and was never prosecuted should be irrelevant, too.
And I don’t pay any attention to the fact that her family is connected to the mafia and John McCain got a lot of money from Charles Keating, ended his first marriage in an adulterous affair, and had a woody for lobbyist Vicki Iseman, because all of those things are irrelevant…..
See? That’s Swiftboating.
Oh. So now it is not what he said, it is what he “didn’t say”. Or was it his snotty tone? Wait, I thought it was that he accused McCain of running on his war record? Could it be….none of these things?
Like I said, Clark may or may not be an asshole. But the exchange was completely innocuous and without judgement, save for the usual “the candidate I like is way cooler than candidate x” stuff.
But like I said before: We have gotten really good at this shit, so now McCain has been smeared. And once the Machine went into action, McCain would have somehow been smeared even if Clark had spent the whole interview singing a few showtunes from 42nd Street.
Come on. This is laughable.
– sashal, you don’t have to go back 4 years to see this jackasses propensity for pandering to which ever candidates ass hes kissing this week. Two short months ago Clark was touting Hillery’s “first Lady” experience as being far superior to anything Obama has in the executive department. Say what?
= The man is an opportunist and a flake.
And, tommorrow it will be the left’s turn on the fainting couch. So get ready to pass your smelling salts back over to Aravosis and Markos.
Fun times!
– Hey Lisa, its the summer duldrums, so why not.
Strung out meth whores have more integrity than Wes Clark. Google it!
Janet Reno. Dwarf clowns. Fat prosititutes.
well, BBH, that does not surprise me, they are in the same party. When the even handedness extends to the members of the opposite party, that’s what i am talking about
“Comment by sashal on 7/1 @ 3:10 pm #
would you like to know how swiftboating actually looks like?”
The truth.
And mimes, dont’t forget the mimes.
Sashal, go the fuck away. You’re a disgusting example of what passes for humanity these days.
Oh, and BOLSHEVIKS!!1!
Oh. So now it is not what he said, it is what he “didn’t sayâ€Â.
Exactly.
The Narrative is; McCains military service is immaterial to qualification. Thus the downplaying of his service record to POW.
I don’t have the vapors, but we here at PW despise the attempted redefinition of words like patriotism and qualification. Such devious gambits cannot go unchallenged.
– sashal., I’m not going to waste any more time debunking Kerrys lies, since the Left is simply never going to listen until its finally in the public domain so solidly they can no longer evade.
– Some one posted the other day that “even Kerrys fellow Dem Senators, the ones obligated to support him because of party loyalty may say whatever they please in public, but when they look at him he can see it in their eyes. They know hes a pathetic liar.
– For yourself, if you’re still in denial, just ask yourself why he still refuses to make his records public without massive set asides and redactions. Just answer that one simple question and it will all be obvious to you.
– He’s been challanged on munerous occassions and offered sizable bets to come clean, called a liar to his face, and he just walks away.
– Would you, or anybody, do that if you were being honest and telling the truth? No. No yuou would not. So that should answer the question for you.
– Carter gave him a pardon for his undesirable discharge an hour after he took office. Thats the plain simple truth, and Kerry knew he’s be on the political scrap heap if that ever came out, both his presidential run and even his Senatorial seat.
BBH, you do not have to convince me regarding Kerry. Seems to me I have never had any discussions, arguments or quarrells with anybody, including here, about the peculiarities of his 3 month service….
“Clark did not disparage McCain’s military record, he just said that it is irrelevant to the job of the president.”
But, by being selective over what part of that record he focused on (being shot down) he could make a completely true statement and still tell a dirty lie.
The part of his record that he’s willing to talk about is not relevant. Whole other chunks of it, that he’s not willing to discuss, damn sure are.
– So then you should understand that “Swiftboating” someone means the exact opposite of the connotation the Left tries to put on it.
– To put it another way, they bitterly cling to Kerry’s lies and fabrications.
and , as I said, RTO,in Clak’s mind and words it was relevant when Kerry ran.
BBH is right, Clark is just another kiss ass partisan
–“The part of his record that he’s willing to talk about is not relevant. Whole other chunks of it, that he’s not willing to discuss, damn sure are.”
– Whether or not you think this is a typicle election year boondoggle as Lisa does, this must be going over well with Viet Nam vets and their families all over the country, as well as veterans from all wars, which is exactly what Obama doesn’t need, and must be giving his camp severe indigestion.
– Aside from that, Clark may be the Kucinich of the military, but he has to have known this would hurt Obama to one degree or another, even as O! starts his “outreach to middle America and Evangelists” tour. So I question Clark’s motives.
The part of his record that he’s willing to talk about is not relevant.
I would argue even that. His POW days probably shape his views on Gitmo, waterboarding, etc., which views separate him from Bush. Totally against the narrative.
It is a less important point in the debate, I admit.
Basically, since it’s not in Obamas interest to have McCains sacrifices for the country thought about, he wants it removed from the conversation as irrelevant.
Personally, I want the Navy to award McCain some sort of distinguished service metal in a huge ceremony on an aircraft carrier moored in San Diego this October, just so I can see the Obama camp pout.
– Sounds good to me lee, I’d drive the 20 minutes down to Coronado to watch that, just as long as theres no banners proclaiming “Mission accomplished”, at least not until after January anyway.
“John Kerry has lived the values of service and sacrifice. In the Navy, as a prosecutor, as a senator. He proved his physical courage under fire. He’s proved his moral courage, too. John Kerry fought a war and came home to fight for peace – his combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need in a Commander-in-Chief.”
Service only matters to Clark if you agree with him.
Well, his bombing mission WAS accomplished…when he was finally “feet wet” leaving Vietnam. ;)
Yup, proggzero –
Being a POW doesn’t qualify one to be president, but neither does being a Mexican jumping bean in an empty Armani suit.
In fact, I’ll take the POW any day over a stinky gust of wind from the swamp.
Lee, Clark isn’t willing to discuss McCain’s conduct as a POW–something that would be relevant. He’s only willing to talk about “being shot down” something that is not relevant. Everything else is ignored or blythely dismissed.
He’s only willing to talk about “being shot down†something that is not relevant.
Again, I’ll argue the point.
The left wants to sell the notion that being shot down while on a bombing mission is some sort of character flaw. On the contrary, it is a pivotal start point from which the following heroism becomes more extraordinary.
“While the other side is 90% of this country”
Sorry, ProggZero, but where you sit is approved by about %17 of the people in this country. Without lying, your guys don’t stand a chance.
Obama will be exposed on this campaign. Not by McCain, because he is a pussy and is stupid enough to think that he can get votes from people like you.
I just have a feeling that there is a nuke ready to be dropped on Obama, but it’s too far from the election. Can’t give “The Gust Of Wind” time to spin.
Not by McCain, because he is a pussy
To be fair LD, I don’t think he is a pussy, just naive enough to think he can win by being above it all. He really believes that your average progg values character.
It’s like watching a blindfolded monkey in the path if a cobra.
I denounce myself, again.
And, Ph. Ther is actually a third reason.
PW is not full of twenty-somethings who have no clue about the way the world works. Most of us have been where you are, and rejected it.
As the Tom Wopat song says: “I’ve been around enough to know”.
Your foolish progg cornerstone is ridiculous to most of us here.
But, hey! At least you aren’t deleted when you comment, like we are on most of the progg blogs we try to post on.
That fact right there should tell you the real story of where reality lies.
Yes it’s just like the Tom Wopat song.
I just wanted to say that.
“Folks here don’t like Hannah Montana? I’m crushed.”
Are you kidding? That little girl has an awesome set of pipes.
I wouldn’t know anything about her, but I have an eight year old son who pretty much owns the YV when he is in the living room.
Miley Cyrus can kick the living shit out of a song – and boy, does she!
TV? I don’t have a YV.
BBH, lol. That is true. Wait until August. That is when the fun will really get going.
RTO: He is not obligated to talk about McCain’s whole record. Shchiffer made a remark SPECIFIC to McCain being shot down and Clark responded.
Here’s what lit me up:
They trot out Wesley Clark and treat him with the deference granted Absolute Moral Authority, based on his willingness to parlay his liberal cred as a politically acceptable military man (incompetent/despised by peers/retired for cause) to conduct politically motivated blatant act of character assassination on a hero.
I do not like John McCain. I don’t like his brand of nannystate republican lite/ piss off conservative people just to piss them off philosophical/political track record. I do not think he has very good sense of what a chief executive can accomplish where the economy is concerned. I do not think he has a clue as to what he faces in dealing with Democrat majorities in both the house and the senate until 2010. He is a disaster waiting to happen on immigration; no two ways about it.
But he’s still a better choice for president than Community Advisor Barry Obama, and by such a margin on any standard of measure that I’m not particularly worried about November. There’s no point.
I need some help ((*badabing RIMSHOT*)- no, hear me out:
What absolutely melted me to the floor was an excerpt published on another blog (Politico?) that read something along the lines of “John McCain, after beign tortured, filmed a propaganda video for the North Vietnamese”….
I went nuts in that I wasn’t able to read or listen to any more news. If anybody has the link where that statement was made, please post it. I’m not going there.
The thing is, I know a little bit about torture. And for any sane, honest man to construct a sentence like the one I’ve paraphrased, is simply an impossibility. It’s heinous, callous, and one of those brittle dark moments where a string of words does indeed have the ability to cut deeper than a knife or crush more completely than any club.
The author, in that string, would have you imagine that after being tied in stocks for five days, after being beaten with bamboo staves, after having teeth knocked out, his shoulders wrenched from their sockets… he intends you to carry away the subconscious image of Maverick John McCain leaping out of the cage and shouting “hey, fellas, let’s put on a show!”.
Words are important. Words mean things. And this is where the fight for our country will be fought, and won.
The hard Left is not the opposition. They are enemy, and deserve to be treated as such. Wasting words on PH or Sash is a choice others are free to make; from here, their spewings are just affirmations of what shit the other side is built of.
Words are important. Words mean things. And this is where the fight for our country will be fought, and won.
McCains “propaganda” was grammatically wrong, and laced with communist slogans, as a sign the thing was coerced. Like this.
Also they messed up his teeth. I would have been like no not the teeth whatever you want I’ll say anything.
Lisa, TroggLoser, et al:
Obama has already thrown Wesley “Perfumed Prince” Clark under the bus, so there’s really no need to waste time defending him.
(that was actually his service nickname, as I understand it)
Well then you would agree with 99% of the people in the military who worked with him. Perfumed princes is the term.
“Shchiffer made a remark SPECIFIC to McCain being shot down and Clark responded.”
That’s backward. Schieffer’s specific remark comes after Clark’s characterizations. In addition, Schieffer, to his credit brings up McCain’s Squadron command (post-Vietnam) and Clark dismisses it out of hand. This is before either of them utters the phrase “shot down.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml?id=4217703n&channel=/sections/ftn/videoplayer3460.shtml
Spies: I am not “defending him”. That is a stupid statement. I am saying that the meme that has grown out of this is ridiculous and dishonest.
Come on, are we in third grade or something?
Can I point out something is a lie without being on that person’s adoring defender and being their bff? I don’t really know much about Clark except he is an also-ran and was somewhat of a darling of the left for a while.
And yes, Obama threw him under the bus instead of doing what I am doing which is saying: “Stop lying. The man did not attack McCains service. So shut it and move on to the next hissy, bitches.”
He needs to seriously get a new set of balls (borrow his wifes if he has to). Hillary (and especially her husband) were always really good at shutting down this kind of shit and starting their own really effective bullshit memes. It is nice for him to say all that shit about being above the fray and how you are bringing a new kind of politics, but rip the opposition’s heart out and eat it with a plate of fava beans anyway.
So, Lisa — what do you think about Karl Rove? ;-)
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I loathe him. But that is because he is not working for us. The fat bastard.
TLD-
As the Tom Wopat song says: “I’ve been around enough to knowâ€Â
Tom mother-frikken Wopat?!!
“You are not the TLD I used to know…”
Lisa-
Come on, are we in third grade or something?
I really want to say, “You go, girl!”
Does this make me…
a)’hip’
b)’trite’
c)’aware’
d)’stale’
e)another Klan-raised white boy who is merely “race-curious”…
kelly-
And mimes, dont’t forget the mimes.
I once saw a mime doing the “invisible box” thingy.
I merely took two steps forward, and stabbed him through the eye.
I think he prefers a wall with a bit of substance now…