Bastards!
What seems to have happened in Iraq in the last few months is that the Iraqi mainstream has finally done some liberating of itself. With the help of the troop surge ordered by President Bush, the mainstream Sunni tribes have liberated themselves from the grip of Al Qaeda in their provinces. And the Shiite mainstream  represented by Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and the Iraqi Army  liberated Basra, Amara and Sadr City in Baghdad from both Mahdi Army militiamen and pro-Iranian death squads.
Fighting and winning always impress. Even merely fighting and persisting impress. Shortly after the fall of Soviet Communism, I had dinner with a then-recently former senior Red army general. He told me that the Soviets were astounded and impressed by the fact that we were prepared to fight and lose 50,000 men in Vietnam, when the Soviets never thought we even had a strategic interest there. They thus calculated that they’d better be careful with the United States. What might we do, they thought, if our interests really were threatened?
The full effects of the vigorous martial response of President Bush to the attacks of Sept. 11 will not be known for decades. But if history is any indicator, military courage, persistence and a capacity to kill the enemy in large numbers usually work to the benefit of such nations.
Let the gnashing begin.
UPDATE: Gnashing at TNR already, by Noam Scheiber.
See Robert Powell’s comment, though.
Instalanche! (h/t Slart)
Huzzah! Another opportunity to employ newly favorite aphorism!
Kill the chicken, let the monkey watch.
Yeah, you’d think that wiping the floor with the biggest, baddest military in the middle east in 3 weeks flat would give some people pause. Especially those fielding out-dated soviet equipment and tactics.
But apparently not.
The world would be better off if we never invaded either Afghanistan or Iraq. WTF are you guys smoking to think invading these countries and killing hundreds of thousands of people is a good thing?
Hard to imagine why Clinton’s ’98 Cruise Missile attack on an empty base ddint have the same effects…
Obama voted against the war, but he was actually for the Iraqi people. Now that the Iraqi people are doing better, he is clearly been vindicated. Obama was right all the time. He’s so cool!
Really love the reference to Vietnam being a good thing. You guys are too rich.
Yes, Froggy Hero is right about something. Our surrender in Vietnam was a disgrace. My wife did not really need all of those pesky little relatives.
Yeah, I’m thinking there are many swarthy types who have rethought the wisdom of 9/11 since cheering for it nearly seven years ago. There hasn’t been much terrorizing going on in the US since. Just affected outrage from the code pink asshats.
Ruh-Roh. Straw man alert: …killing hundreds of thousands of people is a good thing…
Now who is doing all that killing PH? I’d venture a guess the chaps that fill the trunks of cars with artillery shells and roll up to the local fruit market. Of the ~160-175,000 Iraqi deaths thus far, ~90% are estimated to have been the result of Muslim-on-Muslim, Shiite-Sunni, Al-Qadea vs. market type violence. A foul tyrant is gone the epidemic of war in Afghanistan finally has a chance to come to an end. PH, implementing your policies is what results in 9/11, is the extension of the Clinton doctrine of hitting soap factories in Khartoum, bombing empty huts in the Hindu-Kush and calling it a day.
I happen to be smoking a nice southfarling weed btw.
Proggy, you forget Obama’s bring a gun if he brings a knife et sequentia? Remember how that speech ends?
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Comment by ProggHero on 6/25 @ 1:59 pm #
Really love the reference to Vietnam being a good thing. You guys are too rich.”
Why, because a communist “victory” that inflicted millions of deaths and hundreds of thousands of refugees is, what, a good thing?
FOAD, reactionary.
Really love the reference to Vietnam being a good thing.
The progressive movement would have had a hard time making a go of it without it. You have milked it like a borrowed cow for how many years now?
Was Obama even in Congress to vote for the war at the time? Don’t think so…
Oops, #13 was for #5.
Comment by Dash Rendar on 6/25 @ 2:06 pm #
“Now who is doing all that killing PH? I’d venture a guess the chaps that fill the trunks of cars with artillery shells and roll up to the local fruit market. Of the ~160-175,000 Iraqi deaths thus far, ~90% are estimated to have been the result of Muslim-on-Muslim”
But Mike Moore said they were the minutemen… the REVOLUTION… ???
“many swarthy types who have rethought the wisdom of 9/11 since cheering for it nearly seven years ago.”
Al Qaeda 9/11 After Action Analysis
Gains: 15 minutes of dancing in the street, shooting AKs in the air and making that weird ‘La La La’ sound.
Losses: 5 solid years of being mercilessly slaughtered in Iraq, Afghanistan and (quietly) elsewhere..
All in all a net sum loss.
Huh, poked his head up again.
WHACK! WHACK! WACK! WHACK!
“All in all a net sum loss.”
Gotta factor “virgins earned” into the equation. Plus the excitement of getting to go to Iraq on the part of all those AQ fellas who unwittingly decided to spend the rest of their short lives there.
Still a net loss though.
You have to admit JD, those fifteen minutes were very inspirational for all the progg hero’s out there.
You know, the biggest backers of Obama…
Damn! Sorry.
Sorry.
That was Ouroboros, not JD.
Shit!
We may one day look back on this as Iraq’s real war of liberation. The one we led five years ago didn’t count.
Friedman proves once again that he is a contemptible little putz willing to summarily dismiss everyone else’s blood, sweat, and tears if it helps him garner another Pulitzer and prove his brillance and foresight.
I’ve always believed that there is only one good thing about extremists: They don’t know when to stop….
Eventually, this Muslim-on-Muslim oppression seemed to spark the “we’re-not-going-to-take-this-anymore†rage
Friedman doesn’t have the class to admit it was brilliant strategy to fight for democracy in the very heart of AQ’s proposed Caliphate. Remember right after 9/11 how we heard that billions of Muslims hated us and, given our commitments to Israel, just how were we going to deal with that without a world war? Bush-Cheney figured it out. Get on the side of Muslim freedom.
The only thing Putzy Friedman has always believed in is opportunistically watching for the next media wave and riding it to another Pulitzer book and numerous TV appearances in which he assures everyone he foresaw the future. Having supported the invasion of Iraq and then bailed on it, he’s now paddling his little board furiously again, and that tells me surf’s up on Iraq’s future.
– I’m not going to respond to Proggheros-up-his-ass. Hes shown his cowardice creds well enough already. Typical poli-sci 101 hate-America first Marxo-speak. Why waste your time with brain washed young turks.
– No “there” there.
Still think PH is a parody. It takes pharmaceutical grade stupidity, arrogance and groupthink to vomit up the threadbare talking points he’s been doing.
Oh, wait…
making that weird ‘La La La’ sound
Ululating. Ululation. Ululate.
All fun to say.
Not only that kelly, he is trotting out 2005 talking points.
He’s like a Monkyboy in a 747 cockpit, madly pushing every button in sight, getting exited over the distressed sounding voices of ground control wafting from the radio…
In my wild parody fantasy I could not come up with the whopper told about Vietnam having the benefit of scaring the Soviets. Yes 50 + thousand soldiers killed and us retreating in defeat really scared them.
Don’t forget The Jingle Man’s tintinabulating “Ulalume”
The repugnants narrative about “Vietnam was only lost because of hippy liberal scum” is getting kinda old.
Does having a uvula help one to ululate?
“In my wild parody fantasy I could not come up with the whopper told about Vietnam having the benefit of scaring the Soviets. Yes 50 + thousand soldiers killed and us retreating in defeat really scared them.
– And that junior, is because you have no idea what the real reason we were in VietNam if the first place is. Most from that era do not know, let alone the indoctrinated gaggle of current lolly gaggers that have been raised on a constant diet of “oh how we showed the man back in the day” by all the old assed hippies still trying to relive the “glory” dats.
– They were had, and now you’ve been had. Right on dude.
Only females are supposed to ululate by the way.
Hey BigBangHunter
Obama or Die bitch.
The repugnants narrative…
Hmm. Kind of reaching, here, PH. I’m going to have to deduct some points for being too derivative.
…about “Vietnam was only lost because of hippy liberal scum†is getting kinda old.”
Nah, that one never gets old.
Only females are supposed to ululate by the way.
Where do you fit in? Not female, but not quite male either.
“Obama or Die bitch.”
– Hey, if you think you’re man enough twat-waffle, bring it on.
– Didn’t take long to revert to form now did it. Hit a nerve did I. Well, understand. No one likes to be fucked over, and you junior, have been royally fucked over. You need to change the company you keep before its too late.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 3:05 pm #
The repugnants narrative about “Vietnam was only lost because of hippy liberal scum†is getting kinda old.”
Truth stings, doesn’t it, you reactionary cocksucker?
“Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 6/25 @ 3:16 pm #
“Obama or Die bitch.â€Â
– Hey, if you think you’re man enough twat-waffle, bring it on.”
Fuggedaboutit.
She admitted the other day that she’s a reactionary coward.
“Ululating. Ululation. Ululate”
Thanks, I’m familiar with the term.. but as I was attempting teh funny I used “weird la la sounds”…
I learned about it the hard way.. just like Pvt Conrad Vig did.. I was cheering the US invasion during Gulf I and thought a little ululating was in order… A Syrian friend promptly busted up laughing and explained “Men dont do this..”.
I am a guy, if you doubt me go ask your mother.
Is this the level we have sunk to?
Well! so much for this being a family blog…
FUCK!
The death of your ideology must really piss you off I understand. Just have a nice big cup of CHANGE and HOPE and shut the fuck up.
PH,
It wasn’t the hippies that ended the war in Vietnam. It was the fools in Congress that were wedded to defeat that cut off funding. The military had both the VC and the north on the run but were done in by the mother’s of Congress. If you would bother to pick up a history book you would know that. I suppose that would be too much to ask. What happened after we left? Millions were slaughtered in the killing fields. US credibility was devastated for years. No one trusted us. That was your policy in action dumbass. You are either a parody or the dumbest person on the planet.
“The repugnants narrative about “Vietnam was only lost because of hippy liberal scum†is getting kinda old.â€Â
– Nam was not about, caused, made, unmade, effected, not effected, by either the Liberal Marxist scum, or Nixon. That was a lot of noise and bullshit.
– We went into Nam under Eisenhower and Kennedy, stayed there due to the persistence of the State Department, and got the fuck out the minute we had MAD deployed, which was the plan from the very beginning. Could have saved a lot of lives if Kennedy and Johnson haden’t wasted time playing moon cadets.
– Get a bit of truthful learning junior, then come back and tell us what you’ve learned. Til then go back to your WarCraft role playing.
What is up with you people calling me a parody? I honestly do not understand this please explain someone?
Oh, and I talked to my mother. She wants her strap on back.
I do not play World of Warcraft BBH, I LARP every friday.
My Mom has been married for 60 years to a man that would snuff a progg hero without a shred of guilty conscience, should the fool fool with my Mom. I’ve seen him put down dogs before.
Don’t think you are man enough to cause much concern however.
But then, I’ve seen him mash mosquitoes too…
Well Big D tell her I will happily give it back to her once she gives me the change from my 5. I expect that 3 bucks change before she gets anything.
Lee I ment no disrespect to anyone other than the people that started cursing me and talking about my mother. Which I do not think was you. Can you explain this parody thing I keep hearing though?
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 3:26 pm #
I am a guy, if you doubt me go ask your mother.
Is this the level we have sunk to?”
You’ve sunk to defending mass murderers, reactionary.
So why don’t you go committ suicide and improve the gene pool?
Come to think of it, does the word “Ululate” even exist in Arabic? Does the Arabic language have onomatopoeia ? I’m thinking that to the average none-to-educated Arab on the street the word for that sound actually translates as “weird la la la sound that women say”
Well NO brain you can thank me for killing off 200000000000 of my potential children in your mother’s mouth.
Can you explain this parody thing I keep hearing though?
Ok, I’ll play along. We think you’re Thor or some other troll who likes to appear and supply fodder for us to entertain ourselves with. And, I read somewhere it’s ok to end a sentence with a preposition. I think it was Gail from Scribal Terror.
So, now you’ve insulted my son and you’ve insulted my mother.
100,000,000 sperm and your’s won?
What a tragedy.
See, 52 has that Thor feel.
Kinda like if he was doing performance art.
Sure, PH, I’ll explain…
You see, um, when your daddy and your, um, mommy…uh, um, spent the night in that cabin way before you were born and, um, daddy wanted, uh…OK, let’s call it an “Eliot Spitzer,” well, some months later your mom brought you, daddy’s little parody, into the world.
“Comment by CArin -BONC on 6/25 @ 3:41 pm #
See, 52 has that Thor feel.”
Naw, even thor isn’t that uneducated.
#31
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Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 3:09 pm #
Only females are supposed to ululate by the way.
No. The ancient Greeks ululated before battle as did the Zulus. You are wrong about so much.
What is up with you people calling me a parody? I honestly do not understand this please explain someone?
Some of us suspect you are a joker pretending to be a lefty, on the assumption that no one could be that stupid.
I do not play World of Warcraft BBH, I LARP every friday.
I rest my case.
– I have not “cursed” you widdle PH. If you think what you’re been told is cursing, you’re more of a weenie than I thought.
– You’re being painted as a parody because you come in here 7 years later with almost every single one of the typical moonbat talking points from 2001 onward.
– What would you expect. They’ve been trashed so many times its a wonder anyone even bothers responding anymore. They’re not only wrong, they’re patently wrong, and only someone thats either a babe in the woods, or a parody would even try that worn-out aperatchik crap on here anymore. You’re way behind the talking points curve junior. Get it?
– You need another memo from the collective. Badly.
So would the parody be me being a right wing hack making fun of proggressives, or someone so far left compared to you that they exist only for you to make fun of?
“Til then go back to your WarCraft role playing.”
Ok.. let’s nip this WoW bashing in the bud.. before this conversation devolves into bashing Diablo II: Lord of Destruction on Battlenet.. if that happens I have an 84th Level Ice Sorc that’s gonna take a bite outta all your asses!
Comment by thor on 6/25 @ 3:45 pm #
Let me think about my previous comment.
Progg, your motivations can only be known to you …
Can you explain this parody thing I keep hearing though?
Sure. People here, me for example, think “no one is THAT fucking stupid”. Therefore, you must be a parody of someone that stupid.
Clear things up for you?
Salt Lick has it right.
Friedman is a weathervane. If he’s come ’round, it’s a sure sign the wind has changed.
Suck it up, Proggie.
Regards,
Ric
Well I do LARP, is there something wrong with that? I do not judge you people for attending NRA meetings or going to the KKK rally.
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Comment by N. O’Brain on 6/25 @ 3:43 pm #
“Comment by CArin -BONC on 6/25 @ 3:41 pm #
See, 52 has that Thor feel.â€Â
Naw, even thor isn’t that uneducated.
O’Brian rises to my defense! Hahahaha. Why thank for the near compliment, Mike.
# 48 PH
She charges by size. I guess now we know about you. See, I can play this game all day.
I notice you had nothing else to say about Vietnam. Talking points guide doesn’t go back that far?
Pause for a few seconds with the sparring.
Hey, while Thor’s here.. Werent you the one that used to do those great dialogues between Marine Snipers in the comments to Jeff’s “Overheard in a Fallujah Bunker” series? Did you save them..? They were excellent.. you should reprint them sometime..
Ok.. back the sparring.
“Hey, BBH, you feelin’ it?”
– Oh. Brave thor rushes in to protect his little weenie girlie boyfriend.
– Making pretty much of an ass of himself/herself/it huh.
– Oh yeh. I “feel it”. What I feel is the tip of my boot up your ass thor.
What is up with you people calling me a parody? I honestly do not understand this please explain someone?
Here you go, PH.
Ooops, I confused Mikey NTH with N’Obrain.
All you Obama Hateshafters don’t look alike, no, but it’s hard to tell one from the other when you attack in packs as you do.
I’ve unequivocally stated that I like Barack Obama. Doubt I’ll even for vote him but “to like” or to respect Barack Obama is an unforgivable offense!
“or going to the KKK rally.”
That’s what Democrats do. Remember the Klan Bake at the Dem convention in 1924?
“So would the parody be me being a right wing hack making fun of proggressives, or someone so far left compared to you that they exist only for you to make fun of?
Yes.
“or going to the KKK rally.”
– You should put that into a memo PH, and send copies to all the southern Democrats, because the vast majority of them were.
= Oh fuck, there goes that learning thing again. Now even thor wouldn’t make that kind of mistake. You really are wet behind the ears aren’t you junior.
Nope, that was before my time, but I think Jeff’s Fallujah bunker bit is one of the funniest evah!
Why is it you feel the need to project such stupid stuff on me? Why not cynn or someone else that’s truly much farther the the Left than I?
I’ve always supported the war and still do. That doesn’t mean I’ll take shit from any of the fine men in combat who think my “liking” Obama makes me less, somehow, of a patriot, or tough guy, or whatever.
Baracky never supported the war not ever except sometimes. He wanted to bring the troops home and then have their names be all over the genocide that would follow. He’s kind of a dick like that.
You’re kinda dense for being so progressive, hero-dude.
But I must say, it brings a tear to my eye, it does. A tear from how helpful our litle collegium (I tossed that one in there for you, comrade) has been in coming to your rescue and explaining how we might think of you as a parody.
Me? I was hoping every one would ignore your pathetic plea. I was rather enjoying your addled confusion.
Proggtard makes me long for the intellectually stimulating days of Balloon Fences and mile high berms.
Someone who LARPs has no business talking to adults about warfare.
Someone who LARPs has no business talking to adults about warfare.
I agree. By the way, I was a sergeant myself in the Second/Fourth Marines. Oops, there goes the chickenhawk thin PH. SGT Ted, are you still in?
Liars.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 4:36 pm #
Liars.”
Knuckleheaded fucktard.
Coward.
Coward is someone who sends others to war for him. Congrats coward.
A witty comeback PH. I have the scars to prove it. Service to country is probably alien to you. Go play with your toys junior.
Don’t forget The Jingle Man’s tintinabulating “Ulalumeâ€Â
Don’t forget the bells of Fenchurch St. Paul.
Call of Duty on your xbox does not count Big D. Besides only idiots join the army, so which are you an idiot or a liar?
He said Marine, moron.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 4:50 pm #
Call of Duty on your xbox does not count Big D. Besides only idiots join the army, so which are you an idiot or a liar?”
You’re not good enough to lick the sand from my sons combat boots, you cowardly cocksuker.
What is the difference?
True patriots, people of undeniable intelligence, prefer fascist salutes.
“What is the difference?”
– Obviously you wouldn’t know. The coward is you, hiding behind a torrent of bullshit excuses. The rest of us know you have to fight for your country and the freedoms you take for granted junior.
Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 3:02 pm #
“In my wild parody fantasy I could not come up with the whopper told about Vietnam having the benefit of scaring the Soviets. Yes 50 + thousand soldiers killed and us retreating in defeat really scared them.”
See, it’s this kind of talk that has me thinking he is for real. Progressives can not understand the difference between fact and opinion. They also can not understand that truth is a defense. Hence, Goldberg can point out that the Nazis were influenced by Darwin and they go bat shit. They can not understand that the truth can be a defense of the statement (re: to collectivists, the narrative is the highest good and all must come under it / their politics). To the rest of us, it’s either a fact or not a fact. It need not have deeper meanings than what it is (re: the fact, or not, that the Nazis were influenced by Darwin does not say whether Darwin was right or not… or whether the Nazi’s interpretation was valid or not… et cetera)…
Anyway, that Russian General either said those things… or he did not. They were either an accurate reflection of the leadership of the USSR’s thoughts.. or not. Whether he likes the either of those… or not… is not relevant.
Sorry your son may fight and die for nothing NOBrain, but you can blame bush for that not me. Keep telling yourself it is for some noble cause though.
So would the parody be me being a right wing hack making fun of proggressives, or someone so far left compared to you that they exist only for you to make fun of?
You sound like a teenage boy who just discovered a website of “Your Momma” jokes and who thinks sexual innuendo makes you cool. Your knowledge of history sucks and your whole argument is deserving of all the ridicule mature thinking men and women, who actually lived through those years, can level at it. In other words, you are a fool.
“Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.†— Plato
and
You are insulting FDR, PH? Or the country at that time?
Or are you arguing that only those who have been to war should decide when the US should go to war? Kind of makes a hash out of the civilian control over the military thing, doesn’t it?
Hi, thor. Sorry, I haven’t been in this thread until just a little while ago. I’ve been very busy with real life.
I think FDR was Navy.
Besides only idiots join the army, so which are you an idiot or a liar?
I agree about the Army. You’ll notice that my service was with the USMC. That’s the United States Marine Corps, boy. Look it up. No disrespect to the Army intended. Well, maybe a little bit of interservice rivalry.
Call me stupid boy. Where did you serve?
#91 Thanks Dan
McDonald’s.
Never “served” anywhere grandpa. I do not think I have to join a brainwashing cult and go to other countries to kill brown people to prove my manhood.
Sure, Big D ;-P
#90 “Besides only idiots join the army…”
Support the troops much?
You’ve never served anything, Proggy, except yourself.
I vote it must be parody.
C’mon, fess up.
“Comment by Big D on 6/25 @ 5:02 pm #
I agree about the Army. You’ll notice that my service was with the
Call me stupid boy. Where did you serve?”
He served as Ho Chi Minh’s butt-boy.
– Tell you what widdle PH. I’d rather be a chickenhawk (witch I’m not with two tours of duty, even by your ass downside up arguments) than a chickenshit.
– Tell us some more about your theories of history, the KKK thing and the Nam rewrite bullshit were mildly amusing.
“I do not think I have to join a brainwashing cult….”
– Well you already screwed the goose on that one LARPboy, what’ll you do for your next trick?
– If you have a working brain cell and you honestly don’t know your in the cultiest of cults you could find, about one notch down from Heavens-Gate, or the Peoples temple, you need a brain transplant. Even the one working cell is putrified.
“I do not think I have to join a brainwashing cult and go to other countries to kill brown people to prove my manhood.”
Don’t look now jackass, but you’re neck deep in a brainwashing cult…and it hasn’t done anything for your manhood.
You must get punched in the face a lot.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 4:58 pm #
Sorry your son may fight and die for nothing NOBrain, but you can blame bush for that not me. Keep telling yourself it is for some noble cause though.”
I’ve thought about this.
IF, and it’s a big if, my son were to die in Iraq, he would die a hero.
“ProggressiveHero” (and note the irony of his name) would still be an oxygen stealing collection of random atoms.
What a pitiful way to go through life.
I really feel sorry for you, ph, for the futility of your existence.
“Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and freedoms.”
PH,
My grandfather served in the USMC at Belleau Wood. My Uncle was in the fifth Marines in WWII, a recipient of the Navy Cross, the nation’s second highest award for valor in combat. My father was in the eigtth Marines in Vietnam. I was in the fourth Marines in the Gulf War.
What have you done for your country?
Do I need to say that I think you are worthless?
N’Obrain,
You must be so proud of your son! I hope that I raise mine as well as you have.
Comment by Big D on 6/25 @ 5:18 pm #
Proud, man, proud.
Snap.
My comment wasaimed at YOU, Big D.
– He doesn’t see himself as futile NO, he sees himself as “smart”. Thats because with an incomplete education he doesn’t realize that phony cover ups do not work when you have a poor self image, they just serve to make it worse becuase they rob you of the life experience that makes other people grow. And then theres karma.
– Cowardice, even when its all dressed up in a pile of pretty drug store psychology, will go on eating away at his manhood until hes too old to change.
– Really a miserable way to cash out, as he will find. A man has to face his fears and personal monsters, false ideas and excuses don’t work in real life.
And, yes, I am proud.
Have I mentioned the he just received a NAM?
Have I mentioned the he just received a NAM?
Outstanding!
Again, you must be proud!
Never “served†anywhere grandpa. I do not think I have to join a brainwashing cult and go to other countries to kill brown people to prove my manhood.
@@@@@@@@OTFL. That’s okay PH, tomorrow maybe she’ll let you cop a feel UNDER her blouse. Doubtful though, even high school girls tend to reject the guy who is always picked last.
N’Obrain,
With the NAM, is your son a Marine, or one of those lesser services? If he is Navy, no problem. We always appreciated them taking us to work!
More of the interservice rivalry! Ooh Rah!
I do not think I have to join a brainwashing cult and go to other countries to kill brown people to prove my manhood.
You prefer beating your buddies about the head with a foam halberd for that, huh?
Cpl. Matt the Marine, USMC.
3/8/2.
– NO. Everyone whos actually an adult on here is proud of your son, and all the sons that put it on the line for the rest of us. My son just registered so he may be joining your soon.
– When the people that have any pride in their country and the smallest amount of personal principles are out there every day putting their libes in harms way so assholes like Proggass can sit at home in his elitist cacoon and play video games, and then take potshots at the very people who make it possible for his useless ass to be safe, you just want to smack the shit out of them.
– Its simply true that some people never learn. PH is so damn smart he doesn’t see the irony in kicking his own country while he mouths off the totalitarian ideas of a bankrupt, inhumane ideology that sprang from a country we spent 50 years getting rid of, while they continuously threated us with nuclear destruction. That takes a special brand of immature cognitive dissonance.
– Proggs are either cowards hiding behind their truthiness and lies, or just plain illiterate.
Maybe ProggHero is the “You can”t have him” woman’s kid, come back from the future. Yay, time travel works!
Sorry I didn’t make that clear.
Yeah, a 24 yo corporal, out in the field for 3 1/2 weeks at Ft. A. P. Hill, and running food services for the batallion, actually a job 3 pay levels higher.
Oh, and he got a Commander’s Coin from the CO, a LTC, also.
Yay! ok so I had to look it up it’s still cool
Only they should change COPR to CORP
– john – Think you’d be referring to “alex”, or as Darleen calls him, “momma’s boy”.
– And yes, that would fit our “coward hero”.
BBH,
I don’t think that PH is smart enough to make the connection. He bemoans the loss of freedom under the Bush admin, but is all for the fairness doctrine, all the while ignorant of the irony. Ahh, to be young and so sure you have it all figured out.
Fighting and winning always impress. Even merely fighting and persisting impress. Shortly after the fall of Soviet Communism, I had dinner with a then-recently former senior Red army general. He told me that the Soviets were astounded and impressed by the fact that we were prepared to fight and lose 50,000 men in Vietnam, when the Soviets never thought we even had a strategic interest there. They thus calculated that they’d better be careful with the United States. What might we do, they thought, if our interests really were threatened?
This is one of those unspoken facts of history that people never consider. Korea and Vietnam were wins, in the larger strategic purpose they served. The reason we got involved in both was to stop the aggressive spread of communism through proxy armies. That worked.
NO,
It’s got to drive PH crazy that he is at AP HILL, one of the great civil war generals.
One of the great CONFEDERATE Generals.
Mhehe…..
He finished up therelast Friday, and is back at Lejuene.
I notice that ProggHero(Irony) is gone. Perhaps his mommy took the computer away? Maybe it’s just nap time.
Sorry, hf……
One of the great CONFEDERATE Generals.
Dang! I meant to say that.
I feel for your son as I chewed some dirt at LeJuene.
Progg is gone from THIS thread. He’ll just appear in another.
– It also worked in Nam. Unfortunately we spent way too much resource on chasing moonbeams, which took away from the MAD deployment, some in the industry believe by as much as 5 years, so a lot of guys died that otherwise may not have.
– So then you have the jackass’s that got lead around by their noses by the SDS and Weathermen underground, both self described Marxist/Commie orgs, actually bragging about getting duped.
– And just exactly what are they so proud of? Maybe the 2 million souls that were slaughtered after we left?
– Stupidity always runs rampant in the young and impressionable.
BBH,
Well said. By the way, you are either a safari hunter or you work for NASA? I’ve been trying to figure it out.
– Did a stint with NSA Big D. My transmitters are on Hubble. That was one job we did for NASA, but never worked directly for them.
Hubble rocks! Literally. Sorry, that was cheap.
Whats wrong with SDS I was a member in college. All we did was get signatures in the cafeteria for different causes and sit around talking about politics. I did not consider myself a “commie” when I was participating in it. Oh yeah we did a couple anti-war rallies in 2004 too.
– Big Bang is from my 45 years in Aerospace – “Hunter” is to honor a German Shepard scout dog that got ny oldest son through Nam alive, and saved so many other GI lives he got the CMH, and a slew of other medals, and unlike lurch, he never shot himself in the ass with grenade launcher. (he didn’t do it twice either like sKerry.) I think he was the most decorated canine from the war.
Whats wrong with SDS I was a member in college. All we did was get signatures in the cafeteria for different causes and sit around talking about politics. I did not consider myself a “commie†when I was participating in it. Oh yeah we did a couple anti-war rallies in 2004 too.
So?
– Cluebat Proggass. If you still have contact with the SDS people, ask them to tell you what they were doing in Kent for two weeks before the “event”.
– I’d be seriously surprised if they were honest and told you. You don’t honestly believe these people (like the Winter Soldiers) are actually going to tell you what they want to achieve do you? I mean naive is one thing, totally blind, and shame on you.
#100 Dan. Assistant Secretary of the Navy. A civilian post. Frankiln ZRoosevelt was never in the uniformed military.
A quibble.
Whats wrong with SDS I was a member in college. All we did was get signatures in the cafeteria for different causes and sit around talking about politics. I did not consider myself a “commie†when I was participating in it. Oh yeah we did a couple anti-war rallies in 2004 too.
So? Got it all figured out do you?
Returning to the original subject of the post, or something related —
As I said above, Friedman in particular is a weathervane. He subscribes to the Opportunist Theory of Leadership — find a parade, get a baton and a fancy suit, and get out front with enthusiasm. As such, he also serves as a leading indicator.
Iraq is starting to look more and more like a success, and the Left cannot ignore that any longer. They do, in fact, eventually face physical facts, especially when their faces are rubbed in them, but do so in their own way. They can and will admit that the outcome is favorable; what they cannot do under any circumstances or in response to any force is give George W. Bush any credit for that. It would be rather like the Church giving Satan credit for perseverance.
So what they have to do is find a formula that declares Iraq a success while denying that Bush had anything to do with it other than obstructionism. Note the concordance between what Friedman wrote and what I’ve been saying — the importance of the Awakenings, the function of the Surge as enabler and catalyst rather than prime mover, the machinations of Mookie. There’s enough material there, especially if (as usual) they ignore facts on the ground in favor of Teh Narrative™.
What you want to watch for is Yglesias to take it up. He’s smarter than Friedman, and even less scrupulous; Friedman is just an opportunist, where Matt is an ideological fabulist. He is good at what he does, though, and it’ll be interesting in a train-wreck sort of way to watch it evolve.
Regards,
Ric
I mean naive is one thing, totally blind, and shame on you.
Very well said, BBH.
PH, come back when you grow up.
– A lot of people that join these orgs in college do it from an honest position of “sticking it to the man”, but they never are told what the core people are after. Thats just the way it is. All these years later I have friends from that era I get together with once in awhile to shoot the shit and have a beer, and most of them just laugh and look at me sort of perplexed and say – “how could I have been so damn stupid and gullible, what the hell was I thinking”.
– I understand, but it doesn’t change anything.
Last Monday at USCG Station Belle Isle the crew of a small boat received coins from headquarters for a rescue. A boat had capsized and they had arrived and rescued the passengers. One Coast Guard gave his coin to the Canadain Coast Guard boat crew from Amherstburg who also responded in the rescue, and righted and dewatered the capsized boat. They also did a rescue of one of the passengers.*
PH has no idea what he is talking about, but talk he will. Service and duty are beyond his ken.
*I was there for the fireworks patrol, that is what I heard when it was announced at the briefing – and there was more honor in that crowd – Canadian and American, various L.E. and auxillary – than PH could muster in a month of Sundays.
– I think the turning point, if you can put your finger on it was when the Arab Brotherhood Clerics came right out and called Bin Ladens efforts backwards, and “less than useful”, pointing out that all hes managed to really achieve since 9/11 is bring the wrath of the West (Bush) down on their heads, and get a lot of Arabs and other ME people killed.
– BTW, there was a report today that said that so many companies, big and small, are trying to invest in Iraq now, the Iraqi gov. is having a hard time keeping up with the requests.
– Soon the Left can add Iraq to its wall of shame, along with Cuba, and Viet Nam.
BTW – my older brother was Marine reserve; younger brother is RA and a major – has been to Iraq and Afghanistan. My oldest nephew is finishing basic at Pendelton and will graduate as a PFC (mom said he is a squad leader during training). I am USCG Auxiliary because I am too old to go regular or reserve (tried before and after 9/11, they said “no dice”).
So, do you do anything to help your community, PH? Belong to a club like the Kiwanis or Lions or Jaycees? Anything to give back to the community you live in? Or do you just carp and whine?
Mikey – I haven’t enjoyed the fireworks since way -back-when they used to allow boaters to basically anchor beneath the fireworks. After that, any view from either side paled in comparison. So, you had the best seat in the house!
You know better to ask whether or not Proggs helps the community! That is what the government is for! Doh.
= Mikey, I think he set page #2 of his talking points on fire with his blunt, and took off.
– At any rate hes piled up so many aw-shits at this point it hardly matters anymore.
CArin – the anchor zones are pretty well set year-to-year: no further up river from River Front Towers (just west of the Joe Louis Arena); no further down river than Tricentennial Park (about a half mile from the Ren Cen).* It’s for safety, and yes – the view from the water is spectacular. You also see a lot of freighters making with the hurry to get through before the river is closed for the fireworks barges to be brought out.
*Just look for the two black-hulled Coast Guard cutters. They mark the extreme ends of the anchorages – and they are black-hulled because they are icebreakers and bouy tenders – that is they have jobs they are going to get dirty with – hard working vessels are both Bristol Bay and Neah Bay.
BBH – I agree. PH came in and didn’t quite realize that most commenters here are forty years old and up. My question last weekened, and other comments as drawn out, has confirmed that. Most here have first-hand experience, or know people with first hand experience, so we do not talk out of our nether regions on these subjects. We have seen it before, and advertising hype falls kind of dead around here. As a kid, and a teenager, I was susceptible to advertising. After age 22, that fell off – because I grew up. Amazing how that works, eh?
But still, a self-selected community like this is going to be even less susceptible to hype than the average person, and is going to be skeptical about a political campaign built on hype as if that was a campaign for a new soft drink. thor should ponder that little bit of information, but I know he won’t.
Or to recall an old ad (and politcal) campaign – “Where’s the beef?”
(Come on thor; you can work with that – right?)
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Well you guys can call yourselves clever and smart and all the adjectives you can think of for being better than everyone else, but your still going to lose in November. :)
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Sure, PH… and when Obama 1 turns out to be Carter 2 and over reaches and under-performs, over-promises and under-delivers, who do you think will have the last laugh?
Well wouldn’t we all be screwed then Dread?
Carter was ahead of his time, if we had enacted his energy policy all those years ago we would not be where we are today with 4 dollar a gallon gas.
Comment #161 is telling – you really have nothing to say other than ‘says you’ PH. All of the old memes have fallen apart due to overuse.
Really, you should try to come up with some new ones. Where supporting a Baathist dictator doesn’t leave you being pro-fascist; where supporting the Taliban doesn’t make you pro-Theocratic. The United States isn’t perfect, but compared to its enemies – it is so far ahead that an argument against her and for them is laughable to anyone who isn’t reflexivly anti-American. At least the Soviets talked a good game; but the Islamofascists? You want to tie in with them?
Well, good luck scoring that 72 in Allah’s celestial brothel.
Carter was ahead of his time, if we had enacted his energy policy all those years ago we would not be where we are today with 4 dollar a gallon gas.
Hahaha. We’d be paying $8/gallon *and* would have to check the calendar to see which day we could fill up. (Even license plate can fill on even days. :P) Also, the price of sweaters would be through the roof.
>>All we did was get signatures in the cafeteria for different causes and sit around talking about politics
In other words, you and your ilk did a whole lotta nothing.
All we did was get signatures in the cafeteria for different causes and sit around talking about politics
And you thought you could get stink finger doing that…
Well GoodLt. the point was to personalize it because obviously some of the people here view SDS as some sort of commie organization bent on world domination ala Pinky and the Brain.
>>Carter was ahead of his time, if we had enacted his energy policy all those years ago we would not be where we are today with 4 dollar a gallon gas.
If the Democrats had not let Jane Fonda run the nation’s nuclear policy, we’d have enough power to light every home and city in the nation 100 times over forever by now.
And O! is against building new ones. No particular good reason why – just a mindless adherence to the failed ideas of the Carter administration.
If we had started drilling and refining our own oil a decade ago, we would be at least marginally less reliant on foreign oil.
But again, Democrats were there to prevent energy independence. Heroes, they. Heroes, I tell you.
Oil is destroying the enviornment. If we have to pay more so people do not drive huge ass SUV’s then I am all for it.
SDS was a waste of time, as was the entire leftist/populist movement of the 1960’s. Nine years of your life you won’t get back.
From the WikiEntry on SDS: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Students_for_a_Democratic_Society_(1960_organization)
SDS developed from the Student League for Industrial Democracy (SLID), the youth branch of a socialist educational organization known as the League for Industrial Democracy (LID). LID descended from the Intercollegiate Socialist Society, started in 1905. Early in 1960, SLID decided to change its name into SDS. The phrase “industrial democracy†sounded too narrow and too labor oriented, making it more difficult to recruit students. Moreover, because the LID’s leadership did not correspond to the expectations and the mood on the campuses, the SLID felt the need to dissociate itself from its parent organization. SDS held its first meeting in 1960 at Ann Arbor, Michigan, where Alan Haber was elected president. Its political manifesto, known as the Port Huron Statement, was adopted at the organization’s first convention in 1962, based on an earlier draft by staff member Tom Hayden.
Socialists, huh? Yeah. Collectivism had nothing to do with communism. In fact, the reason the organization crumbled was because one faction of the leadership condemned communism too harshly and the other realized that yes, Virginia, communism was objective inferior to the capitalism.
Funny, that.
What’s Wrong with SDS?:
7 October 1969 — The Haymarket Police Statues was bombed in Chicago, Illinois, apparently as a “kickoff” for the Students for a Democratic Society, “Days of Rage” riots which took place in the city form 8-11 October 1969.
6 December 1969 — The Students for a Democratic Society bombs several police vehicle in Chigaco to retaliate for the killing of Black Panther Party leaders Mark Clark and Fred Hampton on 4 December 1969, by Chicago Police.
13 February 1970 — Students for a Democratic Society bombs several police cars of the Berkeley, California Police Department.
16 February 1970 — A bomb detonated at the Golden Gate Park Branch of the San Francisco Police Department killing one officer and injuring several others.
6 March 1970 — While one Students for a Democratic Society group is preparing to bomb a police facility in Detroit, Michigan, another group blows themselves up when their “bomb factory” located in Greenwich Village accidentally explodes. SDS members Theodore Gold, Diana Oughton and Terry Robbins die in this incident.
6 March 1970 — Thirty-four stick of dynamite were discovered in the 13th Police District of the Detroit, Michigan Police Department. Members of the Students for a Democratic Society were reportedly in Detroit in February and March for the purpose of bombing a police facility.
30 March 1970 — Chicago Police discover a Students for a Democratic Society “bomb factory” on Chicago’s north side. A subsequent discovery of a SDS “weapons cache” in a south side Chicago apartment several days later ends SDS activity in the city.
10 May 1970 — The National Guard Association building in Washington DC was bombed. Students for a Democratic Society claims responsibility four years later.
9 June 1970 — Students for a Democratic Society bombs the headquarters of the new York City Police Department. The issue a statement saying “The pigs of this country are our enemies….”The pigs try to look invulnerable, but we (SDS) keep finding their weaknesses.”
9 June 1970 — The Bank of America Building in New York City is bombed. Students for a Democratic Society takes credit.
24 August 1970 — The Army Mathematics Research Center on the University of Wisconsin campus was blown up resulting in one death.
12 September 1970 — The Students for a Democratic Society carries out the escape from prison in California of LSD promoter Dr. Timothy Francis Leary.
5 October 1970 — The Haymarket Statue in Chicago, Illinois is bombed a second time following its reconstruction. Students for a Democratic Society takes credit claiming it as the beginning of their “fall offensive.”
8 October 1970 — Students for a Democratic Society bombs the Hall of Justice in Marin County, California and issue a statement that they act is dedicated “to the prisoners of San Quentin, Soledad and new York, and to all Black prisoners of war.”
8 October 1970 — The National Guard armory in Santa Barbara, California was bombed by a group calling itself the “Perfect Park Home Grown Garden Society.” Although the Students for a Democratic Society did not claim credit, the 6 October Haymarket message stated that the “fall offensive” would be carried out by “families and tribes” around the country.
10 October 1970 — The Long Island City, The York Court House was bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society. Their statement read, “Last night as part of an international conspiracy we blew up the Long Island Criminal Court House – adjacent to the Branch Queens where it all began. With rallies and riots, with marches and molotovs, kids in New York City and around the country will continue the battle.”
14 October 1970 — The Harvard University Center for international Studies in Cambridge Massachusetts was bombed by a group calling itself the “Proud Eagle Tribe.” Students for a Democratic Society would take direct credit four years later.
1 March 1971 — The US Capitol building in Washington DC is bombed by Students for a Democratic Society. “We have attacked the Capitol because it is, along with the White House and the Pentagon the worldwide symbol of the government which is now attacking Indochina.
28 August 1971 — The Office for California Prisons at the California state office building in Sacramento, California was bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest the death of George jackson in San Quentin.
28 August 1971 — The Department of Corrections office, Ferry building, San Francisco was bombed by Students for a Democratic Society to protest the “murder” of George Jackson by California prison authorities.
17 September 1971 — The New York State Corrections Department office in the Twin Towers building in Albany, New York was bombed by Students for a Democratic Society to protest the deaths of prisoners in the Attica prison riots.
15 October 1971 — The Herman Building Center for International Affairs located at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in Cambridge Massachusetts was bombed by the Proud Eagle Tribe of the SDS.
19 May 1972 — The US Pentagon in Arlington, Virginia is bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest US policy in Vietnam, especially US mining of Vietnam harbors and the bombing of Hanoi.
18 May 1973 — Several police cars parked at the 103rd Precinct of the NYPD were bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest the shooting death of Clifford Clover, a ten year old boy who had been shot by a police officer.
27 September 1973 — The Latin American headquarters building of the International Telephone and Telegraph Company in New York City is bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest the role that the company had played in the overthrow of President Allende in Chile.
7 March 1974 — The office of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare in the US Federal Building in San Francisco was bombed by the Women’s Brigade of the SDS to protest discrimination practiced by the department.
14 March 1974 — A dinner in honor of New York Governor Nelson Rockefeller was “stinkbombed” by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest drug abuse programs of the Governor and the Governor’s handling of the Attica prison riots.
31 May 1974 — The Los Angeles office of California Attorney General Evelle Younger located in the Old State Building was bomber by the Students for a Democratic Society in retaliation for the killing of six members of the Symbionese Liberation Army by police.
13 June 1974 — The International Headquarters of the Gulf Oil Corporation in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania was bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest the company’s involvement in Angola and accusing the company of assisting the Portuguese government to keep Angola as a colonial possession.
10 September 1974 — The offices of the Anaconda American brass Company in Oakland California were bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest the company’s actions in Chile.
17 October 1974 — A meeting of the Boston Massachusetts School Committee is “stinkbombed” by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest busing.
28 January 1975 — The Students for a Democratic Society claims responsibility for an explosion in a bathroom at the U.S. Department of State in Washington.
28 January 1975 — Students for a Democratic Society attempted to bomb the Agency for International Development and the US Defense Department offices in Oakland, California, however, the device failed to detonate.
16 June 1975 — The Banco de Ponce in new York City is bombed by Students for a Democratic Society to show solidarity with striking workers in Puerto Rico.
5 September 1975 — The national headquarters of the Kennecott Copper Company in Salt Lake City, Utah was bombed by the Students for a Democratic Society to protest the company’s role in the overthrow of President Allende of Chile.
Of course the biggest thing wrong is that they managed to get too many of their bombs to the intended targets rather than blowing their fool selves up more regularly.
Well you people all just admitted how old you were thus validating my earlier point. That if you compare the general age of a welcome home the troops rally to an anti-war rally you will see all the fossils at the we “love” our fascist troops rally. All the younger crowd is at the anti-war rally. Thus proving you people are a dying breed, good riddance to nationalistic, one nation under a christian god, we invade everyone not like us, I love my country no matter what, bullshit.
Ok. No more bagging on “Hero.”
He’s obviously retarded or has some kind of closed head injury (and has to wear that Obama bike helemet anytime he leaves his parents basement).
It’s just not nice to make fun of “special” people.
Yes, PH, you created yourself. You deserve what you have. You owe nobody.
Fuck off.
>>If we have to pay more so people do not drive huge ass SUV’s then I am all for it.
I’m not. I don’t drive an SUV, retard. ANd neither to the majority of drivers in the US. Nowhere near it. You do realize this, right? The people own cars OTHER than SUVs? How many miles does Algore and the Eco-Brigade of morons burn each year? More than me. More than you. More than many, many, many of us combined. Start with the real violators if an environmental-driven witch hunt is you motive.
The world is not a Captain Planet cartoon, you know. Your Democrat policies are hurting the poor, middle class, and the economy.
>>Oil is destroying the enviornment.
So is Algore’s house – and that doesn’t even scratch the surface of all of the lear-jet leftists, limo-driving, gas-guzzling, energy-hogging Hollywood morons who claim to be “green,” but use enough power, consume enough, and produce enough waste for 100 average Americans.
You pathetic little bitch.
RTO SDS might have done alot of those things in the 60’s but all I remember was smoking alot of pot, hanging out, and trying to bang chicks with more piercings than brain cells.
How are my views so offensive to you people? I have seen them all repeated and said by alot of other people. Hell I can give you websites, DailyKos, WashingtonPost comment section, Huffington Post, CounterPunch, OpenLeft, and pretty much every Gov class I took at my college. I really do not get it.
“Carter was ahead of his time, if we had enacted his energy policy all those years ago we would not be where we are today with 4 dollar a gallon gas.”
You mean things like full production from Alaska and increasing the production and use of coal?
>>RTO SDS might have done alot of those things in the 60’s but all I remember was smoking alot of pot, hanging out, and trying to bang chicks with more piercings than brain cells.
And your dead-hippie drivel spouted here is right in line with the austerity of your formal political education during those pivotal years.
Congratulations.
Dying off?
Is that why military recruiting goals are being met and exceeded every month?
>How are my views so offensive to you people? I have seen them all repeated and said by alot of other people. Hell I can give you websites, DailyKos, WashingtonPost comment section, Huffington Post, CounterPunch, OpenLeft, and pretty much every Gov class I took at my college. I really do not get it.
OK – this has to be someone putting us on. This is too perfectly stupid to be real.
Jeff? Is that you? C’mon. We’re onto you.
Big D #101:
A short story.
A Marine walks in to the restroom at the airport, takes a leak then proceeds to wash his hands at the sink. As he’s washing an Army soldier walks in, takes a leak and turns to leave.
“Wait a minute, doggy” says the Marine, “In The Corp they taught us you should always wash your hands after using the head..”
Without skipping a beat the Soldier answers “Oh yeah? Well in the Army they taught us not to piss on our hands..”
(ok..this is funnier live.. but I figured I’d share this little bit of good-natured humor from one old Army Sgt to one old Marine Sgt. Inter-service rivalry and all..US Army SF Medic x 6 years.. Guess that makes me the idiot..)
You are what you are PH. Pro-fascist and pro-theocratic as long as it opposes the USA.
Just another lost marxist, storm-tossed and looking for a harbor that will take you and look! Islamofascism is offering jobs! Your lucky day! You can be sort-of relevant again resisting the imperialist great satan USA!
And again you tie yourself to another totalitarian ideology – just so long as it opposes the USA. No matter how you try, though, you can’t get back to your youth.
“RTO SDS might have done alot of those things in the 60’s but all I remember was smoking alot of pot, hanging out, and trying to bang chicks with more piercings than brain cells.”
So? You’ve just self-identified as the other part of the problem; those who, while not actively persuing a terrorist agenda, blythely allow their names to be counted in that effort.
Most of us don’t go to those sites to read their drivel either, except maybe for a laugh. So why would you expect us to put up with it being spewed here without saying anything? Feel free to continue with the pathetic comments, but don’t expect that people won’t respond to it.
Well jesus christ we are now back to the parody meme again… I guess things come full circle. By the way GoodLt if I learned all my lessons from braindead hippies then you learned all your nationalistic chrypto fascist beliefs in god camp.
Okay, if you’re not a parody, what do you want? Why bother commenting? I really wonder what the motivation is.
To be honest I want to understand you people. Your thoughts are honestly really foreign to me. Maybe I live in a bubble but none of my friends voted for bush, noone in my family did either. We watched the election results in horror. Since then I have listend to El Percocet Limbaugh a couple times and even sat thru and entire episode of Oliely. I have ghosted here and on websites such as LGF, Redstate, Newsbusters, GatewayPundit, and a few others I would not care to mention. They all made me vomit, especially the comments sections which were vile. I just wonder how people like you still think the way you do when the world has changed alot since 1940 where you could still oppress blacks and women and anyone of another religion. Your time has passed you by. I just wonder why you bitterly cling to it still. It was never the good ol days to anyone other than white christian males with fantasies of being a modern day version of Al Bundy.
It’s Jeff. It has to be.
Knock it the fuck off man.
No, you don’t want to understand. You want to stand aside, mock, and generally feel good about holding the political position you hold, and you make a pretense of “trying to understand” when you really have no intention of even trying. That is obvious from your comment at 192. Everything in that comment that you attribute to the writers and commenters here is a strawman. You are a parody, and a very complete one at that, whether you know it or not.
So, either Bravo! for being so good at faking it, or sorry your brain has been filled with lies and half-truths.
“I really don’t understand. Everyone I know voted for McGovern….”
Frelling didn’t close the frelling italic tag. Crap.
If you’re even halfway serious you might try giving up the parody view of us that you mistake for reality.
“I love my country no matter what”
PH- so your love of your country is conditional.. ?
We fossils may be a dying breed but if you’re a good example of the new generation that will take over the reins I’m thinking we (this country) are pretty much screwed…
On the upside, remember how many fucked up Che loving, Mao cap wearing, “Steal this book” stealing, Marx quoting hippies there were in back in ’67? Ever wonder what happened to them and why they’re not our leaders now? They got some life experience, they travelled the world..served in the military.. got jobs, raised families and looked reality in the face.. then they grew up..
Now a whole new generation thinks they’ve figured it all out over coffee at Starschmucks and chats on Facebook..cant tell ’em anything.. Theyre going to fix it all with their newfound political might..
And all around them ex-hippies smile to themselves knowingly..
Rage on , Bra.
Besides only idiots join the army, so which are you an idiot or a liar?
Gray: Distinguished military grad, electrical engineer, musician and software systems engineer.
I can code; perform software functional safety analysis in critical applications; hit a man-sized target at 600m with an M-4; write a 5 paragraph operations order; play the Piobaireached, strathspeys and reels on the bagpipe; Tibetan throat sing (sygyt and kargyraa); build an adobe house and cook a gourmet meal from an 18th century french cookbook.
Whatchu got, oxygen thief?
I still think PH is Jeff. He killed his limit for today and is goofing.
Lookit, if you asked Jeff to come up with a caricature of a typical, poorly read, poorly educated, dumb shit, liberal/ emo college kid, you’d get “Hero.”
I think he’s trying to prove his point about not bothering to debate these short bus, “my professor AND Keith Olberman said so” imbeciles anymore. He’s doing it so when he says, “fuck it, I’m gonna go write a book,” we’ll get why.
The list of websites was a dead giveaway Jeff.
I like your argument, Lamontyoubigdummy. Normally I don’t engage, and after this I think I shall return to that policy. I realized most people are morons a few decades ago, yet some days I forget that.
Cranky-d: Jeff’s pulling the political equivalent of the Copa scene in Goodfellas.
Tommy: “What I’m a clown, I’m here to amuse you?”
Henry: “No, I was just sayin…your funny.”
Tommy: “How am I funny?! WHAT THE FUCK IS SO FUNNY ABOUT ME?!?!”
Henry: “Tommy…get the fuck out’a here…”
Tommy: “… I ALMOST HAD HIM! I ALMOST HAD HIM!”
Comment by Ouroboros on 6/25 @ 8:25 pm #
Big D #101:
A short story.
A Marine walks in to the restroom at the airport, takes a leak then proceeds to wash his hands at the sink. As he’s washing an Army soldier walks in, takes a leak and turns to leave.
“Wait a minute, doggy†says the Marine, “In The Corp they taught us you should always wash your hands after using the head..â€Â
Without skipping a beat the Soldier answers “Oh yeah? Well in the Army they taught us not to piss on our hands..â€Â
(ok..this is funnier live.. but I figured I’d share this little bit of good-natured humor from one old Army Sgt to one old Marine Sgt. Inter-service rivalry and all..US Army SF Medic x 6 years.. Guess that makes me the idiot..)
An oldie but a goodie! Obviously I heard another version.
See,PH, those of us that have defended the nation can joke with each other. You, however, can go and perform an un-natural act upon yourself.
Progg – just in case that was above your head, go fuck yourself. Have a nice day.
Lamontyoubigdummy,
Lookit, if you asked Jeff to come up with a caricature of a typical, poorly read, poorly educated, dumb shit, liberal/ emo college kid, you’d get “Hero.â€Â
I think he’s trying to prove his point about not bothering to debate these short bus, “my professor AND Keith Olberman said so†imbeciles anymore. He’s doing it so when he says, “fuck it, I’m gonna go write a book,†we’ll get why.
A quick review of any Zombietime photo essay and you’ll see that there are plenty of gobsmackingly ignorant narcissists like PH out there. Although the list of rabid loony left websites has me a bit suspicious.
I agree with the “fuck it” line though. I’d understand.
alright, which one of you morons hit the reset button?
PH: “Coward is someone who sends others to war for him. Congrats coward.”
Sort of like, “Let’s fight the good fight in Afganistan,” Obama, right?
No?
I guess it’s that nuance thing.
hmmmm, this gets me thinking…. perhaps O! is more okay with the current situation in Iraq than we think. he hasn’t visited Iraq since 2006 and I haven’t been able to find where he’s ever visited Afghanistan. sooooo, maybe he just doesn’t visit places that don’t need his HOPEYCHANGEYNESS!!! they have enough light already thankyouverymuch.
I’ll leave aside the Marine jokes, etc., that I have handy… One Team, right?
One thing that cracks me up about the PH/bot/parody (not near as good as Witheld, who I miss, terribly) is the insistance that the youths are with him, not me and mine. I would invite him to visit my Brigade, anytime, anyplace. Of course, the “place” is Iraq – right now. That might be a bit of a problem for said ‘hero’. Heh, indeed, as another might have written.
BTW – I am in the beginning part of 15 days leave right now… if I seem unintelligible, it is because I am; 1) drunk, 2) blissed out from being with my wife and kids, 3) both.
200+ comments?
I’d call that a win for the trolls.
I was wondering about that. have a nice time at home. and in case you missed it, Jeff’s up your way, I think.
Perhaps – but if it drives Jeff’s site views/ad revenue – I’m counting it as a win.
“I was wondering about that. have a nice time at home. and in case you missed it, Jeff’s up your way, I think.”
If he is anywhere near Chicago, then I will have to fill him full of single malt Whisky and say all sorts of Scottish things I have picked up from 1 Scots, 4 Scots and the Scots DG…
go to page 2 Major John, he’s headed for Chicago!
Oi, Jeff! You have no enough Whisky in ye… I can help wi’ that.
all I remember was smoking alot of pot, hanging out, and trying to bang chicks with more piercings than brain cells.
Isn’t PH gay in another thread?
And btw, I have a big SUV and I keep an anchor in the back. I also drive a 76 Dodge Powerwagon into town (for the street cred). I put another engine in the bed and it just idles all the time. I take it down the driveway to get the paper. Walking is so 90’s.
From my house, everything is green as far as the eye can see.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 8:01 pm #
Well GoodLt. the point was to personalize it because obviously some of the people here view SDS as some sort of commie organization bent on world domination ala Pinky and the Brain.”
Pinky’s smarter than you, ReactionaryZero.
“Comment by ProggressiveHero on 6/25 @ 8:19 pm #
How are my views so offensive to you people? I have seen them all repeated and said by alot of other people. Hell I can give you websites, DailyKos, WashingtonPost comment section, Huffington Post, CounterPunch, OpenLeft, and pretty much every Gov class I took at my college. I really do not get it.”
That’s ‘casue you’re a reactionary idiot, FascistZero.
“…The same thing we do every night, Pinky–try to bang chicks with more piercings than brain cells!”
I’m guessing the operative word was try.
Well you better get your clock out and remember the exact time today the SC takes away the 2nd. When that happens please come back and apologize for calling me a fascist. Even if it doesn’t pass the fact that the ruling will be 5-4 should scare you.
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So. You really don’t like the Constitution?
INSTALANCHE!
Someone evidently slept through middle-school Civics. This statement betrays deep ignorance of how our government works.
I have many liberal friends and none of them are as ignorantly insular in their partisanship as proggie. I’m still voting for parody and, if it’s one of our own, they must be heavily medicated to be cranking out this crap. Bravo!
Well Slart if they rule the law is constitutional, well won’t that have the same effect? I mean if a State legislature can pass a law that all citizens excepting police are not allowed to own guns, uhhhh what is the point of the 2nd? No more clinging to your guns anymore people didn’t you get the memo?
Hahahaha, proggie. The Supreme Court is going to take away rights given by a Constitutional amendment. That’s a good one and well played (for satire.)
proggie: Which state legislature is contemplating banning gun ownership?
Well, proggie, the good news is if some state legislature was stupid enough to pass such a clearly unconstitutional law, you would finally get the armed rebellion that you richly crave. Just not by your old friends in the SDS.
Cali or Mass will be the first. Probably be a gay guy bringing the lawsuit to double the irony.
No. Next question, please.
I am out of questions right now I am batting .023 and the next pitch ain’t looking good.
are my views so offensive to you people? I have seen them all repeated and said by alot of other people. Hell I can give you websites, DailyKos, WashingtonPost comment section, Huffington Post, CounterPunch, OpenLeft, and pretty much every Gov class I took at my college. I really do not get it.â€Â
I suggest you “up” the level of your discourse. As it is, you are spouting lefty talking points without really making any form of argument. In addition, your world-view appears to be stuck in a form of socialism which is repugnant because it infringes on our rights and is an utter failure wherever it is tried.
In addition, you should ask for your money regarding those college gov classes. They didn’t teach. They indoctrinated. Perhaps we could assemble a reading list for you?
You’re also getting your metaphors completely backward. But I think that’s the least of your problems, just now.
Indoctronate U is proggy’s school.
Short story – in college I was liberal. Everyone is liberal, right? Anyway, I didn’t pay that much attention to my education, because I figured college profs KNEW stuff and certainly they were educating me in a proper way.
Fast forward to today – I’ll be reading some article in NR or some such, and they’ll start criticizing the ideas of assorted socialist/communists – My college reading list was a who’s who of socialist/communist American “greats.”
I want my money back.
Sorry, something went missing in above comment. I hate this laptop. ANYWAY, I will read some name (of a socialist/communist) – recognize it, and then go find it among my college readings. I’ve got ’em all. Virtually everything I was given to read was lefty text. W/o a counterpoint, unless that counterpoint was introduced by the prof only to be quickly discounted by a bunch of strawmen arguments.
“…unless that counterpoint was introduced by the prof only to be quickly discounted by a bunch of strawmen arguments.”
Sounds just like FascistZero.
Swing, moonbatter, swing!
Is Cornell West a socialist/commie in your book?
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He’s a socialist, ProggHero, but he’s mostly an empty suit elevated to the status of important intellectual.
Well why was he elevated in your book? Does your narrative chalk this one up to AA?
Froggie Zero is far more entertaining than the nishit.
In case you all forgot, or it has not yet been pointed out to you today, you are all racist, sexist homophobes that hate the earth and prolly pour 10W40 on the dead brown people that you eat for breakfast everyday.
To be honest I want to understand you people. Your thoughts are honestly really foreign to me.
I still vote parody, but in any case if you really want to understand another group of people then you should drop some of your more base notions about them. Every time you describe something that is conservative or right wing you do so in specifically negative terms. I think it’s likely that, were you not playing, that you will never be anything other than dependent on that sort of thinking because it allows you to avoid actually having to think about the world as it is, and allows you to safely associate yourself as one of the good guys without ever having to actually do anything.
What you call thinking is likely nothing more than an exercise in mental self preservation. You could shed this, and actually grow up intellectually, but it would require that you get over yourself.
I don’t know, and I don’t know why Milli Vanilli got a Grammy, either.
I don’t know why Arafat got a Nobel Prize.
I don’t know why Kos is invited on television to spout his political opinions. There are a lot of things I don’t understand.
No JD, but I do think you guys pour 10w40 Oil on the ground every time you change the Oil in your car and say “this is for my homeys in Iraq”
But I do know that I love you, and I know that if you loved me too . . . what a wonderful world this would be.
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Wtf is a pingback anyway?
“How are my views so offensive to you people? I have seen them all repeated and said by alot of other people. Hell I can give you websites, DailyKos, WashingtonPost comment section, Huffington Post, CounterPunch, OpenLeft, and pretty much every Gov class I took at my college. I really do not get it.”
If you’re serious about this comment, then this is the critical moment for the rest of your political life. If you say “ah, these bozos disagree with my college professors so they must be a bunch of yahoos” and go back to the talking points they fed you, then you’ll be a lefty. If you decide to work through things yourself and seek more information, you’ll probably become a centrist or even (gasp) a conservative.
I was a complete lefty after college. My personal process began a few years later with the OJ verdict. I drifted rightward until 9/11. After that, I did a LOT of research on Islam, which led me to do a lot more research on American history and American politics both right and left. I discovered that I was fed a load of CRAP in college when it came to things political. Yes, Vietnam WAS a good thing in the long view of ending the cold war. Yes, we DID win every single battle in that war. Yes, it WAS the liberals at home that lost that war when it looked like we would finally win. Look at interviews with former VC and NVA, as well as the soviets and Cambodians. Google is your friend.
I am now NOT a republican, but I AM a conservative-leaning independent. Both parties suck…the Dems more so lately. The more left-leaning an entity is, the more likely it is utopian and self-delusional. Kos, TalkLeft, Counterpunch, the comments section of the WaPo, they’re all left-leaning to one degree or another.
If Liberals would get back to what liberalism was before Vietnam, I’d probably lean back toward them. But they’ve redefined liberalism beyond recognition since then.
right now I am batting .023
You go right ahead with your lefty talking points…
but leave my Reds out of this discussion!!!
Oh, and I attended a “speech” by Cornell West at my former university and got to eat dinner with him afterwards.
He is the perfect post-modern “public intellectual”–superficially charismatic, clever, but without substance.
We haven’t heard from Vercingetorix in awhile, and he was quite the jokester if you will recall. Just sayin’.
He is the perfect post-modern “public intellectualâ€Â–superficially charismatic, clever, but without substance.
I believe I’ve had to spend time with some of these sorts in the past. They were sniffing at someone for drinking the wrong kind of wine out of the wrong kind of glass. I fear for their safety.
What about Noam Chomsky? I know it is left of center but the guy is an intellectual.
Hey, how about that Ward Churchill guy? Wasn’t he an authentic intellectual?
No even I draw the line at comparing the people killed in the WTC to Goebbels.
Eichmann, actually.
Speaking of SDS, though…
BMoe – Verc is great, but no way could he keep that going without puking.
…but this brings up the question of where you do draw the line, ProggHero. Not Eichmanns, but some slightly lesser variety of Nazi?
Yeah I have felt like vomiting a couple times in the last day or two.
Noam is left leaning? Who knew?
This guy is having you all on.
Try and sleep with your head turned to the side, PH, so’s you don’t wind up doing a Keith Moon on us.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 6/26 @ 7:42 am #
Eichmann, actually.
Sorry I skipped cliche day in my Gov 101 class.
ProggHero: “What about Noam Chomsky? I know it is left of center but the guy is an intellectual.”
He’s a pseudo-intellectual — a facile speaker who cherry-picks his data and regurgitates the usual suspects to come to a pre-conceived conclusion. He suffers from the not-uncommon delusion that life was somehow intended to be fair and wheezes incessently on the matter.
SGT Ted, are you still in?
Yes I am. 25 years and still loving it.
Heller was affirmed.
FascistZero loses.
Sorry I skipped cliche day in my Gov 101 class.
By cliche day, do you mean the first and second semesters?
Noam Chomsky is also a big fat hypocrite. Spouts his socialist garbage, but when it comes to his money and his family- it’s hands off. That’s the problem with socialist (and most environmentalists) – they want to tell YOU how to live, but don’t look behind the curtain.
A specific answer: Noam Chomsky came to prominence as a result of his work in linguistics. He produced a very significant, then-plausible theory about how language works at a deep level, and defended it strongly and cleverly. As a result he became one of the leading lights of that subject, and since his theory resounds deeply with Leftist ideas of mutable language his theory was incorporated wholesale into Leftist academic thought. That gave him an opening to recount his social and economic theories, which the Left also celebrated. It is a classic case of trying to extend expertise in one domain into an unrelated one, like an expert in the life cycle of nematodes expounding on cosmology and depending on his lab coat to lend authority to his opinions.
Trouble is, there has been a lot of work done in the computer science community since then on natural language recognition and translation. If you’ve tried to call a major company lately you have encountered one result — phone robots that “understand” simple phrases and use them to direct your call appropriately — and of course there’s babelfish and other computerized translators. Chomsky’s linguistic theories mesh perfectly with computer programming, so the initial efforts of Artificial Intelligence researchers were based almost entirely upon them.
None of the programs based on Chomsky’s theories works worth a damn, and none of the successful AI programs proceed from Chomskyian assumptions. The few bits of Chomskyism that do work turn out to be cribbed from other theorists, almost entirely without attribution. It’s as if you had a major, Einstein-level theory in physics that looked great and held together within itself, but when you tried to build a bridge based on that theory it fell down immediately, and the bits that survived turned out to come from some miserable grad student whose name doesn’t appear anywhere.
And if you look closely, you will discover that Chomsky himself offers no particularly spirited defense of his own bullshit — he has “moved on”, so to speak, and nowadays is exclusively a pseudoMarxist Leftist guru.
Regards,
Ric
I mean, AlGore uses more energy than I, but want to lecture me about lightbulbs and carbon credits.
Noam Chomsky has more money than me, but wants to tell me to redistribute what I’ve got (but hands off HIS.)
What about Noam Chomsky? I know it is left of center but the guy is an intellectual.
He’s an apologist for Pol Pot. ’nuff said.
None of the programs based on Chomsky’s theories works worth a damn, and none of the successful AI programs proceed from Chomskyian assumptions. The few bits of Chomskyism that do work turn out to be cribbed from other theorists, almost entirely with
Ric, do you have a link for that? Not that I’m questioning you, just interested in reading more.