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April 16, 2008
Mudslinging/Insult Opportunity [Dan Collins]
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Comment by Enoch_Root - TWP also on 4/16 @ 11:54 am #
Dan and his host, Jeff are teh gays… both of em prefer macs, drive subarus of some variety and prefer Pepsi to Coca-Cola. Well, ok… most of that stuff after the mac part is utter BS, but you get the point.
Comment by Dan Collins on 4/16 @ 11:58 am #
Homofratriphobe.
Comment by McGehee on 4/16 @ 12:12 pm #
I’m as un-PC as the next Scottish guy.
Comment by mojo on 4/16 @ 12:25 pm #
DAN COLLINS IS A BIG POOPY-HEAD!
There, I said it!…
Comment by RiverC on 4/16 @ 12:41 pm #
Of course Macs are better appliances. What kind of results did we expect, here?
Comment by Wearyman on 4/16 @ 12:53 pm #
Personally, I prefer these ads: http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/2007/03/22/novell-spoof-ad-campaign-mac-vs-pc-vs-linux/
Comment by Merovign on 4/16 @ 12:58 pm #
The biggest problem with the Mac is that it seems to be designed to be disposable. I’ve worked on Macs, too many catch-22s in the designs.
They shure is pretty, tho. Well, the older studio displays are kind of ugly. And the tower designs have gone downhill since the B&W. But, other than that.
And the fricking one-button mouse – people, 21st century!
Oh, and Pepsi is better than Coca-Cola… but RC is better than either.
Comment by Smirky McChimp on 4/16 @ 1:22 pm #
I’m a recent convert from PC to Mac’s. My philosophy of them is as follows: PC’s are good if you want to buy a cheap box on which you can throw any old thing without having to worry about where it came from, because you’re 80% sure that whatever you buy will work 80% of the time, and if you don’t mind waiting. It’s impossible to truly fuck a PC beyond repair: if worse comes to worse, just install a new hard drive.
Macs are good if you want to buy an expensive box with software all designed to work together without major upchuck. They need special care and consideration with regard to software and such. But they’re less likely to go retarded on you.
Just my $.02, YMMV.
Comment by McGehee on 4/16 @ 1:35 pm #
That settles it — nishtoon is a PC.
No, wait a minute — she started out that way.
Nishtoon is a Commodore VIC-20.
Comment by ManWell on 4/16 @ 1:45 pm #
Merovign, you need to go to an Apple Store for a tech refresh. Apple doesn’t sell one-button mice any longer and hasn’t for years. My current Apple mouse has effectively 5 buttons.
As for working on Macs, I, too have done so. Piece of cake. Clearly your mileage varied from mine. Have you any 21st century Mac experience at all?
Comment by apotheosis on 4/16 @ 1:47 pm #
Overall conclusion: Vista is an absolute hog of an OS.
This is news?
Comment by JohnAnnArbor on 4/16 @ 1:50 pm #
And the fricking one-button mouse – people, 21st century!
You have not heard of the Mighty Mouse?
Comment by jdm on 4/16 @ 1:52 pm #
The wireless mouse for my Mac from a couple of years ago is a single button, but that doesn’t really matter to me because as far as I’m concerned, the thing that makes Macs rule is the BSD Unix inside. And xterms. And emacs.
There. Mac vs PC vs X *and* possible editor wars!
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/16 @ 1:55 pm #
nishtoon is a Z80 running code written in JOVIAL
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/16 @ 1:56 pm #
I bought a MacBook Pro last summer to replace a dead PC laptop. I had no desire to go with Vista, as a developer and long-time geek the Unix underpinnings of OS X appealed to me, and, well, lots of positive press from other developers.
The Mac is noticeably faster than the employer-supplied laptop, despite having roughly comparable hardware. The UI is cleaner. The platform is more stable. Being able to drop to a Unix shell is a God-send. I’ll probably stick with Macs from now on for my day-to-day machines.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/16 @ 1:58 pm #
emacs?!
I want an editor, not an operating system that masquerades as an editor. Gimme vi or vim anyday. Heck, there’s even a MacVim that’s an OS X native app.
Comment by jdm on 4/16 @ 2:00 pm #
emacs?!
That didn’t take long.
Comment by RiverC on 4/16 @ 2:13 pm #
It’s a pointless debate, anyway. The debate itself favors Mac; ‘Mac or PC’? Mac is a company, a brand. PC is a generalized description of a varied set of compatible computer components and software. So whenever the argument is had, Mac gets face time. All of the various companies – Microsoft, Dell, Gateway, Asus, AMD, Acer, get no face time at all. It’s a brilliant marketing strategy, and people buy it hook, line & sinker.
Comment by malaclypse the tertiary on 4/16 @ 2:21 pm #
I’ve got plenty of opinions about the relative merits and problems with both platforms. But who fucking cares?
What is more interesting to me are the apparent or ostensible philosopical antecedents for the anti-MS crowd’s antipathy to all things MS. They would seem to include things like: individuality, anti-corporatism, anti-capitalism, mechanical/architectural elegance and communitarianism. The internal and external inconsistencies in such a combination of postures seem completely lost on these folks.
Admittedly, I always found the MS detractors who were also *nix zealots particularly condescending and annoying. That said, once OSX became a *nix flavor, the already rabid Apple sweaties were suddenly afforded the opportunity to dummy up (h/t Zappa). The Linux/open-source and the standards crowds are the worst though.
It all reminds me of the Marcusian “false consciousness” thing. This crowd doesn’t want you to make your own choices about which browser to use or how that browser should behave or what OS to use or how it should behave. Why? Becuase you’re an idiot apparently. They are the glorious ubermenchen of computer science and they, with their byzantine bureaucracies will figure it all out for you hapless fools. MSIE became a defacto standard, along with its rendering engine. Oh, but not because that’s what users wanted and because they voted with their clicks. No, it was a false consciousness created by MS’ crafty bundling or their advertising or Bill Gates’ mind rays. So the open-source crowd and their IT department enablers at various corporations stepped in to rectify the situation and install Firefox on a multitude of corporate machines because you don’t know shit, end user. Fucking supercillious jackasses. I mean hell, why don’t we just dispense with all this competitive marketplace/diversity of options unpleasantry and we can all start using these?
Comment by thor on 4/16 @ 2:23 pm #
Depends on what apps your running and what you need your machine for. A Mac is a toy gun, but if that’s all you need, what the hell, play with your toy.
Comment by DarthRove on 4/16 @ 2:26 pm #
I rather thought nish was a Timex-Sinclair 2000 without the 16k RAM add-on module. Just hook up the cassette player to load her 542-byte BASIC code, connect the RCA leads to your televiewer device and push that EXECUTE membrane.
Comment by jdm on 4/16 @ 2:28 pm #
It’s a pointless debate, anyway
Party-pooper.
Comment by McGehee on 4/16 @ 2:33 pm #
There’s always somebody who has to be all reasonable and shit.
Comment by thor on 4/16 @ 2:43 pm #
Much open source are STDs by another name.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/16 @ 2:58 pm #
nedit, stoopid.
Comment by jdm on 4/16 @ 3:05 pm #
Twenty-five messages as of three, four hours? For a combined best computer, best OS, best editor post?
You slackers.
In the Old Days when people cared… kids nowadays… probably don’t even write in C or assembly either.
Comment by mojo on 4/16 @ 3:17 pm #
I rather thought nish was a Timex-Sinclair 2000 without the 16k RAM add-on module.
Hey, let’s not insult my first home computer, okay? Only I had the add-on memory pack. Couldn’t figure out how anybody would ever write a program that needed all that RAM…
Nothing wrong with the Z80 processor. Nope. Not a thing.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 4/16 @ 3:23 pm #
Let’s be honest — at best, nishi’s an abacus.
Comment by Jim in KC on 4/16 @ 3:53 pm #
Yeah, Rob, but an abacus with great thighs.
According to her, anyway.
Comment by Mr B on 4/16 @ 4:49 pm #
I noticed a lot of Mac’s being used by Weta Workshop for Lord of the Rings.
It’s odd that “toys” can be used like that.
I have been pleased with my Macbook Pro for image processing while I travel. My home grown boxes will likely remain PC though.
It is a silly argument. I got a kick out the argument over at Hotair regarding this. Ed’s PC crashed and the discussion migrated from “backups” to PC rulez!!! Somehow, corporate PC networking advantages over Mac networking helps ED get a new hard drive. Or something….
Comment by Spies, Brigands, and Pirates on 4/16 @ 4:54 pm #
And the fricking one-button mouse – people, 21st century!
Yeah, someone needs to enter the 21st century, all right.
Ever notice that most Mac bashers haven’t actually seen one since, say, 1985 or so?
malaclypse: Oh, but not because that’s what users wanted and because they voted with their clicks.
No, it was because Microsoft shipped it pre-installed on every copy of Windows.
For your next troll, I suggest you try a bit harder.
Comment by DarthRove on 4/16 @ 5:03 pm #
Lemme guess, mojo. You kept the machine from tipping over from the added weight of the RAMpack by sticking five pennies underneath, right?
Comment by Nan on 4/16 @ 5:22 pm #
I love my 24″ iMac. Never runs out of memory, never have to reboot, never locks up.
And now that I have Microsoft Office for Mac it’s the perfect machine.
Comment by Ardie on 4/16 @ 5:22 pm #
“Apple’s computers were the winners.” Mac OS is superior–there is no dispute. But if people here like the equivalent of a Yugo OS–I say go for it. You have a right to a self-inflicted cyber lobotomy.
Comment by turtle squirts on 4/16 @ 5:23 pm #
Check out my My Space page, if you don’t believe a Mac can kick out the jam.
App3l rulz.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/16 @ 5:31 pm #
We’ll never know; as supporting evidence she linked to a photo of some drunk guy on a chaise lounge.
Not saying there is; the Z80 is still an embedded processor in a military system or two. Which is not QUITE the same thing as saying it’s not the idiot processor of any given PPC board.
Comment by cfpete on 4/16 @ 5:46 pm #
A few things:
Yeah Vista sucks, its the new Windows Me.
I love Linux and Unix for certain things but, I want to see Leopard vs XP performance wise.
In my own experience, XP beats Leopard in file transfer and burning.
And Really, Gateway!, you use a Gateway for comparison. Yeah, I know they were bought out by Acer, but it is basically their value brand.
Even with XP, Gateway!, No! At least not yet.
Now, if I wasn’t writing this stupid message I could spend some time getting the driver for this built-in webcam on this acer laptop to work under winXP.
Vista sucks!
Comment by Enoch_Root on 4/16 @ 6:34 pm #
malaclypse the tertiary – excellent rant, sir.
Comment by McGehee on 4/16 @ 7:03 pm #
Malaclypse, elsewhere today I stumbled on a discussion board thread about being able to run IE on a Mac. My reply:
Comment by MC on 4/16 @ 7:28 pm #
Mac: When you have 8% market share you have to do something!
Comment by Scape-goat Trainee on 4/16 @ 8:15 pm #
Eh, it’s a useless debate.
Macs win every time since they are more likely to get you laid.
It’s true.
While the idiot using a PC is still waiting for the frickin thing to warm-up, the Mac guy has already diddled the poor slob’s girlfriend, stole the rest of his left-over takeout and watched a few reruns of Gilligan.
That should be Apple’s new ad tagline: Buy a Mac, get laid.
P.S. Mary Ann. Hand’s down Mary Anne every time. Ginger was a tramp.
Comment by McGehee on 4/16 @ 8:18 pm #
Mary Ann was a farm girl. You think farm girls aren’t tramps?
Comment by Scape-goat Trainee on 4/16 @ 8:28 pm #
Only if you get lucky.
Comment by Merovign on 4/16 @ 10:21 pm #
ManWell and Spies – I’ve worked mainly on 21st century Macs, but mostly on PCs. The towers (on macs) are a nice design outwardly, but the more you get down and dirty with ‘em the dumber the design gets, from a maintenance POV. Macs aren’t ACTUALLY any simpler than any other computer, they’re just made to LOOK simple, which means complex or unexpected tasks are a pain.
It’s kind of RISC vs. CISC – Apple has figured out on a processor level that CISC won, not yet on an OS level.
And the f*&#%(! ‘end’ key.
I usually replace the mice with a Logitech. Yes, some of the macs had multi-button mice, but as an independent tech I don’t work on a lot of BRAND NEW macs ’cause they’re either warranty or whatever.
Thanks for assuming I’m either lying or an idiot, though, ’cause that’s always fun. Have a great day.
Comment by Greg on 4/17 @ 3:50 am #
When I was in Uni, the iMacs (yes, this was back LAST MILLENNIUM in 1999) came with single-button mice. Don’t tell me about single-button mice on Macs having gone out in the 80s. They survived well into THIS MILLENIUM!
I hate Macs. Positively hate them. The previous MacOSes crashed more regularly than Win3.11, and that takes a helluva doing. OS X might be a winner, but locking the rest of the PC world out from trying it out? And not even all that successfully at that? Shit, I could turn Windows XP into a Leopard lookalike in 20 mins flat. Even Win2000, if it came to that. Rock stable OSes, both. Now, anyways.
I agree, however, that Vista is a disappointment. I’d install *Ubuntu before buying an Apple product. Even if the iPhones look great .
Comment by McGehee on 4/17 @ 5:59 am #
It’s been a while since I used a Mac, but I found the “Macs don’t crash” claim a tad inaccurate. Unless one parses “crash” as carefully as Bill Clinton parses “is.”
Comment by Smirky McChimp on 4/17 @ 6:28 am #
“Ginger was a tramp.”
That’s bad because…?
If the one-button mouse is such a fallacy, why did the apple store sell me one with my Mini? This is the 21st century, right?
I mean, there’s a little scroll button, but that’s not what we’re talking about. I still have to hit Ctrl+click to get the “right” mouse button features. Which is a bit of a pisser when playing Age of Empires.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 4/17 @ 9:45 am #
What the hell are you talking about? I’ve never seen BSOD on a Mac!
Comment by mojo on 4/17 @ 12:02 pm #
You kept the machine from tipping over from the added weight of the RAMpack by sticking five pennies underneath, right?
Dang! That’s just down-right eerie…
Comment by McGehee on 4/17 @ 1:55 pm #
ROFLMAO
Comment by Concerned Student on 4/17 @ 2:32 pm #
I have seen a MAC quit working while I was a lab tech at my university. I have actually seen 2 be down at the same time. Oh and they both had effing 1 button mice(with no scroll wheel). This was no more than 4 years ago, and the computers were probably only 2 years old, installed during my time there. By my calculation that means someone up the chain in this thread needs to shut up.
Oh and you may not have seen the BSOD on the MACrap because it wasn’t running Windoze(TM). The MACs just cease to work. Same trouble shooting steps either way. TURN IT OFF.
XP is teh roxors.
Lets see a real comparison of those machines. Oh and just because you have 320G of HD space, or 3 G of RAM or 1 or whatever… doesn’t mean the machines are comparable. DDR2 is different than DDR3 is different than 8500 series RAM is different than 5300 series RAM. Configurations matter, and so does the motherboard. You could put 8500 ram in a chipset that only supports 5300, and guess what you got. An overpriced Gig of RAM running at 5300 speeds. etc. I can go on, but the Unix and MAC guys are already convinced they rock… so who cares.
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