In the comments to this morning’s post on Hillary Clinton’s fundraisers asking the DNC for their money back, folks noted that pro-Clinton bloggers are boycotting the Daily Kos. At the NYT’s Caucus blog, Sarah Wheaton rounds up reax to the announcement, adding: “If the rift lingers after the primaries, the organizational value of the blogs could be compromised.” A track record of seven winners to 12 losers never convinced me of the organizational value of dKos, but whatever.
The left-liberal blogger rift can also be seen in the suggestion by Jerome Armstrong and Matt Stoller that  no one has mounted an effective defense for Barack Obama regarding his decades-long association with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright:
There’s been a good amount of pontificating about whether Wright said the right thing or the wrong thing, but the real organizing and journalism in the progressive blogosphere has been focused on fighting Bush and the telecom industry on wiretapping.  If Obama had led on this or any other fight, we could easily make the argument that the Wright discussion is a distraction from his leadership qualities and badgered various elites for their lack of focus on substance…
But Obama is not a part of any progressive fights, so there’s no independent organizing going on on his behalf from people who actually understand the right-wing media and how it operates.  He’s decided he’s a post-partisan politician, and when a politician makes that choice, it’s not just a disincentive for partisans to fight for that person.
The fact that he remains the most likely Democratic nominee would be an incentive to defend him, but the pro-Clinton bloggers, like Clinton herself, likely recognize that the only way for Clinton to win the nomination is to make Obama appear unelectable. Thus, it is again the Clintonite turn to play both aggrieved victim and attacker.
Aside: At the Politico, Mike Allen likens the Wright story to a leak under the basement:
The damage is slow, and it’s not readily apparent. But it can be real.
I stand by my earlier comment that Obama would not have been media barnstorming last night if his campaign did not view it as more than a slow leak. My guess is that Camp Obama’s internal polls showed the same plunge in his daily poll numbers that Rasmussen found.
I watched some of Obamas speech on Fox this morning. I found it interesting everyone visible behind the unobservant Uniter was Caucasian.
Just an observation…
Baracky is not who they thought he was. What’s precious is that down the road I think it’s likely that the sad little cult zombies Obama duped are gonna blame the media.
Wright is saying things that are politically difficult for Obama the brand to handle.
That’s what’s so deranged. There is nothing Wright is saying that holds a candle to all of the voluminousness of what Wright has said, and their media neglected to tell them about that a lot.
The Obama’s weird devotion to such a base, lowest common denominator ministry that’s organized around preaching hate and delivering eerily Hezbollah-like social services is going to neuter their investment in the demonization of the Christian Right for years and years if they nominate the good Brother Obama and his hatey religious fellow travelers, and it may very well be too late.
But that’s just stupid psychotwaddle about why the left is not defending Baracky. They’re simply either in denial or they realize Baracky is indefensible.
Their hopey changey saint actively funded a ministry – to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars – that spread the lie that the U.S. invented AIDS, and then runs on a platform that only He in all his glorious dorkyness can rescue the image of the United States abroad.
God they must feel stupid.
They are defiantly in denial. You know…otherwise they have to feel stupid.
“God they must feel stupid.
What’s it gonna take to convince you – news stories about ’em attempting suicide by sticking their heads in electric ovens or sitting in cars in parking lots with the motor running? Feets – half the stuff laying around your house is a bit smarter than a lefty.
The other half is a lot smarter.
– There remains at least three major questions that I have as yet to see anyone address.
– What possible motive would Obama’s own ministry/Pastor have to torpedo his candidacy?
– Will the government go further in stopping “pulpit politics” with threats of loss of tax free status?
– Wither go the Dems and their three ring desaster of a primary at this point?
– As I commented earlier, at this point neither Obama nor Hillery are any longer viable in the general, simply because there is zero evidence that the rift between factions will ever be healed. You’re dealing with a group of people that are so unable to cope with adversity and move on they are still arguing over 2000. Apparently diversity only works whem its non-partisan and real.
Scott and Liz do a good job on the story. They had some stuff I hadn’t seen yet.
– You wouldn’t be shilling for them would you happy, because that would really dissapoint me, maybe even to the extent we’d have to take back the cupcakes…..
– Happy BDay maggs….
Speaking of Liberation Theology,
It’s kind of liberating to be at point in American Political discourse where I can talk about those “Goddamn Illegal Aliens stealing the birthright of a generation of American workers as if they were murderous bandits that hide in the shadows of an ancient trading route”, without the leftist misunderstanding what I’m saying as racist. It’s really encouraging to me to know that they will only focus on the truth and wisdom of the larger message, and all this is even encouraged because I have the authority of a lifetime of dealing with the social, economic, and national security concerns and problems that are inextricably linked to “those people.
And just to do a heat check on all this change we are talking about;
Does this mean that Eugenics is back on the table?
Keep it real, Keep it radical, Obama’s (new) Rev. Otis Moss III
No – for real. BBH – it’s like a really thorough piece you won’t see elsewhere I don’t think. It’s like a lot of stuff.
– Alright. You can keep the cupcakes for now, but we’re keeping an eye on you mister……
Thanks for the link feets – McCain hit the right note as a candidate. Leave the ball in Baracky’s court for a bit. By next week this will be viral to an extent never before experienced.
Actually “diversity” as preached by Democrats doesn’t work at all, because it doesn’t exist. What they mean by the term is the assembly of dependent, client victim groups under the benign supervision of the Leader, all of whom are expected to attack the Enemy on all available fronts but fall in line behind the Party. Scratch the shiny surface anywhere and the corroded interior shows, but even before that the structure can’t take any strain.
Basically, they don’t have an answer to an important question: What if the underdog is in the wrong? In fact, they haven’t even admitted that the question can exist because their definition of “in the right” is “underdog”. This has always carried a certain ironic tension, in that sooner or later somebody achieves a leadership position within the party and automatically becomes the overdog, i.e., definitionally a bad person. It isn’t a problem easily resolved.
In this case, we have what is in reality members of overdog cultures who carry, and exploit, the external markers of underdog victim groups. They made a big mistake pushing the primaries back so far. It gives plenty of time for the internal tensions to build to the breaking point.
Regards,
Ric
– This morning in his town meeting adress, Obama seemed to be trying to tiptoe through the minefield using any “any regular guy who got caught up in a situation he had no part in, nor was associated with”, but hang onto both sides of the divide at the same time. He stated in so many words: “….We need to raise up the things of the past, accept them, acknowlege them, not try to burry things, but then come together and move on if we ever expect to achieve any of the thiongs we want to do”.
– The extremeists on the right will no doubt grab onto those words and conflate them to mean he doesn’t actually disavow the Revs words after all, but wants to “put all the damnable evil things that white society visited on the Black community in the past” behind him. I can almost write the narrative for them.
– Its a shame. His handlers are down to rearranging deck chairs, and each new press release leaves them with the bow yet deeper in the frigid waters of unforgiving partisan politics.
but the pro-Clinton bloggers, like Clinton herself, likely recognize that the only way for Clinton to win the nomination is to make Obama appear unelectable.
And that’s why right now, as an idividual free-thought loving anti-Prog [other designations be damned] I’d be/am suddenly looking for ways to damage Clinton, so that any one of the two who comes out as Dem. nominee is already as validly damaged as possible up to that point in our process.
But perhaps the B.O. campaign will do enough schoolyard dirtywork to merit a big “assist” on behalf of we anti-Progs, no matter which Prog is nominated.
Maybe Obama will eventually even deserve some kind of B.O. award. Think of it: if it weren’t for B.O. entering – as he had to do in order to maximize his infantile narcissistic goals, given that his allure would necessarily wane, and He knew it – and doing so well in sludging up the “inevitable” HRC, the goal of electing McCain, who is at the very least an apparently resolute anti-Islamofascist, would be expontentially much more difficult.
“Only in America.” And let’s at least defend and preserve the “only” part, lest it become extinct – for an undetermined period of time. And I’m not about to count my chickens.
All of you readers , tell me something , in your respective families you have a father or relative that has racists views , if it is your mom or dad do you repudiate them or you just let them know you don’t share their beliefs or views? We must be careful not to be hold accountable for what people we know say or believe. All those conservative senators who where endorsed by pat robertson, falwell , dobson and the whole crew do we have to ask them to be accountable for what those pastors believe? When Bill Clinton referred (in his letter to his grandma) to Blacks as watermelon , it was no bid deal!!! Did any of you heard Barack say those things? The proof is in his book “Audacity of Hope” where he bases everything on his Hope of a better world. Barack is America last Hope to be respected. After Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Nicaragua, Iraq,the suffering of native indians, the injection of syphillis to black men (tuskigee experiment= remember B.Clinton apologized after decades of their suffering), America must realize not every body is happy of her past. America wake up you can make things better, acknowledge the past and make sure you heal your wounded, and I’m sure you will be the true beacon of Hope. Do blacks hold all whites accountable for slavery, discrimination , that’s guilt by association? We must be careful not to go down that path. Barack is half white , would be quiet crazy to hate his mom and grand pa and gram ma, part of himself!!
What a nice way for Hillary to deflect the attention from her tax returns. She said she would never hold Saudis hands. Ask her who donated the $$ to her husban library? Rezko gave $$ to her husband too. What about peter paul? check youtube. What about her earmarks, who did that benefit to? she does not want to release them? CNN and ABC work for Hillary we all know that , that’s why they don’t want to report it. She is not trustworthy.
Wake up America
pat robertson, falwell, dobson and the whole crew do we have to ask them to be accountable for what those pastors believe?
Gay Teletubbies made the evening news, brainwashed idiot. These guys have been held accountable ad nauseum, far more so than Barcky has been.
Barack and his hate whitey church cult are not respectable. End of story. And, like as not, he’s your nominee. Good luck with that.
http://searchengineland.com/080313-110000.php
*Baracky* … Baracky hasn’t even been held accountable for not finishing serving the one national office he’s ever held in his opportunistic life, remember.
…Rift?…..what rift?
– jebus. I guess the only thing worse than being a Conservative, or classic Liberal attacked by the moonbats, is being a group of monnbats attacked by another group of moonbats.
– So now they are so desperate they’re taking their case even to the halls of their life and death enemies?
– What next. Phone calls late at night begging for My endorsement of one side or the other? this amusement is simply never going to end.
Diversity was dead before it ever started. But that’s the same as why we are now beset by so many Zombies, as Ric described so well.
Speak, but they alread will have appeared.
They just ate my “y”, don’t cha see.
Or, “Diversity is great, as long as everybody thinks alike.”
Rev. Wright:
the injection of syphillis to black men (tuskigee experiment= remember
Who can remember what didn’t happen except for some like yourself, Margi – who just might have tertiary syphillis. Margi, have you had a VDRL lately?
I’m serious, the screening for syphillis is not routine anymore, because it’s been [falsely] considered by “experts” to have been eradicated in the U.S., according to cost and stupidity criteria.
Having illegals streaming across the borders, and having no one routinely tested for syphillis by Public Health facilities is only the tip of the tertiary.
Because, of course, all other nations are morally pure and have unblemished histories.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki — why not look at those in context? Heard of the Rape of Nanking? Have any idea what the Japanese did in the territories they conquered? Or what they did while defending the territories they held? Ever compared the projected casualties from a conventional invasion of the Japanese home islands vs. the casualties from the atomic bombs?
Nicaragua — I find it odd that we’re condemned for all we did, but no one ever mentions what the Soviets and Cubans were doing. It’s hard to have a proxy war with only one side running a proxy…
Iraq — which part do you find offensive? That we pushed the Iraqi army out of Kuwait? That we removed a genocidal dictator who started three wars, murdered tens of thousands of his nation’s people during nominal peacetime, and supported terrorists throughout the region? That we kept his raping, murdering, torturing sons from inheriting his rule? That we have spent lives and wealth giving the people of Iraq a chance to make their own ways in the world?
As for the Indians — for all the sins of the US against the natives (and they’re undoubtedly there), they pale in comparison to the sins of others. The Spanish exterminated entire civilizations; the French crushed and scattered the last of the Mississippian tribes; why aren’t those nations excoriated for their actions?
Every nation has crimes like the Tuskigee experiments in their history; what makes the US different is we realize that it’s wrong.
If Barack’s the “last hope” for the US to be respected, I have to ask what kind of respect we’re discussing. The man has spent two decades attending the church of a racist, anti-semitic preacher filled with hatred for most of the people in this country. What kind of better world would he lead us to? What kind of “respect” would he bring?
Fer crissake, is it too much to ask for the people who wallow in the litany of America’s “crimes” to have even the least exposure to history? Or, hell, even current events — why get hung up on what happened in the US 100 years ago, when genocides are happening openly today, with no reaction from the “community of nations” whose respect we’re supposed to desire? Why condemn the US for the Tuskegee experiment when, as we speak, the Chinese are harvesting organs from prisoners?
You can’t choose your father, but you can damned sure choose your pastor, your spiritual adviser, your inspiration, and your wife. Yes, I went there.
‘feets, didn’t he promise the people of the Great State of Illinois that if they elected him to the US Senate, that he would serve his complete term and not run for POTUS?
Fooey, Margi.
John Hagee endorsed McCain, and a howl went up. Hagee’s church is a thousand miles from either of McCain’s residences; it’s highly unlikely the candidate had ever heard of the minister, let alone what was taught in that church. Never the less, THE ONLY PERMISSIBLE COURSE FOR THE CANDIDATE WAS TO UTTERLY REPUDIATE HAGEE AND ALL HIS CONCEPTS, AND REJECT HAGEE’S SUPPORT AND THAT OF HIS FOLLOWERS.
Wright’s message is different from Hagee’s, but from where I sit it looks at least equally hateful if not a great deal more so. Yet you, and the rest of your Party, demand that we accept mealy-mouthed half-measures, and “put it all behind us”.
F* you. Hate is hate, and if one must reject “hate speech” to the point of demanding that the speaker’s followers not vote for him, then the other must also. You set the standards. You defined the criteria. Now live up to your own declarations, or be exposed for the lying haters you are.
Regards,
Ric
– Common Rob. The Chinese are just badly mis-understood. The brave new world of the Proggs seeks to blame and punish the sheep for being so “victimy”, and idolize the Wolf, as the poor laboring, blameless killer, just doing what comes naturally. Get with the program.
All of you readers , tell me something , in your respective families you have a father or relative that has racists views , if it is your mom or dad do you repudiate them or you just let them know you don’t share their beliefs or views? We must be careful not to be hold accountable for what people we know say or believe.
Yes, but you see, I didn’t choose my family. I choose my friends, and my church, and my SPIRITUAL FUCKING IDOLS! This isn’t a case of Barrack’s eccentric old uncle rambling philosophically. This is a man he has chosen, notice that word chosen because it is really important, a man he has chosen as someone to pattern his life and career.
That choice speaks volumes if you shut up and listen.
the injection of syphillis to black men
Sorry, that’s just a lie, plain and simple.
The subjects already had syphilis (which was left untreated). While certainly reprehensible, that’s not the same as “injecting them with syphillis (sic)”.
Hmmmm.
Hey all. Out on Ace of Spades they figured out that Obama lied when he said he wasn’t in the church when pastor Wright started spouting off.
Ace
These morons certainly don’t know anything at all about syphillis. But when was that ever their concern, that is, knowing anything about reality?
[My apologies to the true Morons and Zombies, wherever they exist, and in whatever identity group they happen to fall.]
I’m guessing Dick Simpson is not so much a churchgoer of one sort or another. Thanks for playing, Dick.
oh. link
margi
re: Hiroshima and Nagasaki
Please, let me make myself perfectly clear. I am glad, happy PROUD that the US dropped the bomb on those cities
It brought a swift end to the war in the Pacific, saving uncounted American and Japanese lives that would have been lost in the planned American invasion of the inner islands.
I wouldn’t be here, seeing as my father was a paratrooper with the Army’s 11th Airborne. Army paratroopers being the first in and taking the greatest casualties.
Because of the bomb he only spent a couple of years there as part of the occupation Army.
Not only was the bombing the right course, it was the right moral course.
Ok that’s got to be the creepiest.
uno mas…
– Sorry, no cigar. If you dorks are going to flaot phoney talking point posts, posing as objective comments, at least try not to post EVERY ONE of the Obama damage control screeds.
– Thank you. NEXT!
Clarence Thomas, Barack Obama, Monsieur Vick, 2Live Crew, just who is next in line for a MSM hi-tech lynching?
Barack Obama should be next again I think. Him and his skeezy wife.
if you aren’t reporting it? close enough. there’s some legal term for that I think…. help me out here. too much beer and cupcakes…. (thnx BBH)
– Speaking of Mrs Michelle, has anyone asked if shes still like proud of America for the first time in her adult life and stuff, cause you know, that was several days ago, and I think maybe things could be changed a little.
(channeling Feets)
Mr. Wright has been revealed to be another politician in the same mold as Coleman Young and Kwame Kilpatrick. That worked real well in his immediate community, so well that Mr. Obama decided to use it as his base for his political power. Unfortunately it does not play well outside of that base or similar places, and this contretemps is an example of why.
Good luck explaining that you didn’t actually believe this nonsense and that you were only using it to get power, Mr. Obama.
I’m catholic and I continue to go to mass, where I know there are child molesters. Does that made me a child molester?
No, no, that would make you a dumb-ass. If you mean that there are child molesters in your parish, that would make you a criminal and a dumb-ass.
Oh, and spiritually bankrupt.
Cupcake please.
“I’m catholic and I continue to go to mass, where I know there are child molesters. Does that made me a child molester?
No, no, that would make you a dumb-ass. If you mean that there are child molesters in your parish, that would make you a criminal and a dumb-ass.
Oh, and spiritually bankrupt.”
Plus, how can a catholic who goes to mass support the politician who votes to continue sucking out babies brains? If you put the brain suckers like Barrack Obama in power how are you absolved from committing this sin?
Criminies! What would have happened if members of the Anglican Church had said to the ministers “while I know God said slavery is a sinful thing, I cannot tell a slaves owners what to do with their slaves”? Obama would still be a slave.
Margi —
What Ric Locke and other said. Also, I wouldn’t give said crazy uncle over $20 large to continue preachifying his hate to thousands. Which your boy Barack did.