On Eliot Spitzer’s prostitution charges.  ”But Monkey“:
Who cares if Eliot Spitzer hires prostitutes?
Regarding all of the breathless moralizing from all sides over the “reprehensible,” outrageous crimes of Eliot Spitzer: are there actually many people left who care if an adult who isn’t their spouse hires prostitutes? Are there really people left who think that doing so should be a crime, that adults who hire other consenting adults for sex should be convicted and go to prison?
he previously prosecuted — quite aggressively and publicly – several citizens for the “crime” of operating an adult prostitution business. That hypocrisy precludes me from having any real personal sympathy for Spitzer, and no reasonable person could defend him from charges of rank hypocrisy. And he should be treated no differently — no better and no worse — than the average citizen whom law enforcement catches hiring prostitutes.
But how can his alleged behavior — paying another adult roughly $1,000 per hour to travel from New York to Washington to meet him for sex — possibly justify resignation, let alone criminal prosecution, conviction and imprisonment? Independent of the issue of his hypocrisy — which is an issue meriting attention and political criticism but not criminal prosecution — what possible business is it of anyone’s, let alone the state’s, what he or anyone else does in their private lives with other consenting adults?
See that? He paid fucking $1000 per hour! Certainly that precludes any question of victimization, right? Leaving aside the issue of legality regarding an offense over which he gleefully prosecuted others with reference to criminal statutes . . . I mean, do you think he ought to be held to the letter of the law? Should he be treated more harshly because he was in a position of public trust, pledged to uphold the law?
Hmmmm. Let me see. Uh, . . . Scooter Libby! Fuck you, you mendoucheous jackass.Here’s what Greenwald has to say about moral crusaders caught with their trousers down. Compare that with what he has to say about legal crusaders caught with theirs down.
UPDATE: Malkin on Governor Spitzer’s plans for the day, before they were interruptused:
This morning, NY Gov. Eliot Spitzer had been scheduled to speak to the Family Planning Advocates’ 31st Annual Conference. The abortion racketeers are seeking more money. And he was preparing to push legislators to do their bidding–before he was forced to cancel his appearance.
As payback to his abortion industry supporters, Spitzer had supported “the Reproductive Health & Privacy Protection Act (RHAPP)†under the guise of “codifying Roe v. Wade.†It would:
* Allow non-doctors to perform abortions, including a dentist, a social worker, or a health care practitioner.
* Let girls as young as 12 obtain abortions throughout all 9 months of pregnancy without ever having to tell their parents.
* Force health practitioners or Catholic hospitals to lose their medical licenses if they don’t perform abortions since they would be denying women the “fundamental right†of an abortion.
See, because Greenwald’s conscience counts, but the Catholics ought to be forced to perform the Sacrament of Abortion.
Comment by Scrapiron on 3/10 @ 6:58 pm #
Are the same dumocrats having the same reaction they had when some guy spread his feet too wide in a bathroom and didn’t even get any sex? Na, didn’t think so.
Comment by Jeffersonian on 3/10 @ 7:01 pm #
A new crusade is launched:
Eliot Spitzer Vows To Crack Down On Excess Prostitute Pay
Comment by archetype on 3/10 @ 7:13 pm #
Is it possible that he was unaware of the toes that he was stepping on? Did he really believe that being a Dem. Gov. meant that he was in charge?
This kind of crap never happened to Bill. Now there was a real Governor that knew how to keep people quiet… (insert Vince Foster quip here)
Comment by Christopher Taylor on 3/10 @ 7:25 pm #
I guess it only matters if you signal cryptically under the bathroom stall to a cop.
Comment by Dan Collins on 3/10 @ 7:30 pm #
Well, shit, Christopher . . . it’s not like you’re offering him a thousand bucks an hour. So, it’s, y’know, exploitative.
Comment by AnotherRightWingConspirator on 3/10 @ 7:50 pm #
Hey Elliot, too late now, but for next time you might wanna check out Mt 7:1-5
Comment by Al Maviva on 3/10 @ 7:51 pm #
Well gosh, wasn’t Gleen’s reflexive defense of a Dem luminary just a wee bit predictable… sure didn’t take you long to go to the well on that one, Dan. As for this:
Malkin on Governor Spitzer’s plans for the day. . .
While some rage at God’s apparent willingness to allow great tragedy to occur and find that a disproof of God’s existence, I find that He has a mischievous sense of humor, and a mere dewdrop of His irony is sufficient proof to me that He exists.
Spitzer, of course, is set for life; he’s now a hero to the Democrats and will be defended to the last drop of ink. One wonders what level of depravity would be required to get the Dems to bail on one of their elected leaders. Shit, cold hard cash evidence of a seemingly treasonous sellout wasn’t enough to do more than lose Willie Jefferson a committee seat… it’d probably take murder (of a non-Republican non-fetus) to earn mild censure.
Comment by matt on 3/10 @ 8:10 pm #
I care. Character matters.
Comment by The Lost Dog (or Lost God, maybe?) on 3/10 @ 8:15 pm #
Elliot Spitzer?
i will probably take heavy flack for saying this, but he is a CUNT.
This piece of detrius (Spitzer) will never get what he deserves, even if he gets life in prison (which will never happen).
Anyone who keeps up on politics will know that this asshole has always used his position to crack skulls - deserved or not. He is a government sanctioned bully, to put it mildly (or in text talk, a POS).
Our politicians are pretty much out of control, but this lame brain redefines the meaning of “Beserk”. Anyone who is not firmly attached to his helmet is the enemy. Where the fuck do we find people like this? Should I be looking around the homeless shelters?
Elliot Spitzer is THE most arrogant politician who has ever existed in this country. I just hope he is not a harbringer of the future. The greedy assholes who “represent” us now are bad enough, but this egomaniacal shit-for=brains takes politics to a new low. And I mean “LOW! LOW! LOW!”!
I know I can get overheated (and sputter quite impressibly), but Spitzer is the biggest piece of shit that I have ever seen in American politics - even including the Clintons. He makesw me want to jump through the “web” and throttle anyone who defends this out of control egomaniac.
Go, Spitzer! The human steamroller! “I’m fucking whores (on state money), but YOU are bad news because you work on Wall Street.”
Asshole! Asshole! Asshole!…ad infinitum
Thanks Mr. “governor” for this lesson in humility. What a role model you are for my eight year old son!
I wish I could use the English language in a more precise way.
But words just can’t even approach the disgust I feel for this FUCKING MORON MOULDERING PIECE OF GARBAGE!!!
Spitzer! You are a fucking moron, and deserve ten times what you will get.
Bottom line? Bullies suck, Mr. Moron-itzer.
You are fucked, and you deserve every bit of what you get, and then some, dickhead.
Wow? Do I sound pissed off?
Gee. Fidel takes over NY and we are supposed to pretend that nothing is amiss? Funny thing…
I could list every nasty word that I know (about two or three pages worth), and not even come close to expressingf my feelings about this “Spitzer” guy, who was apparently delivered into this world by a pig’s butt.
Mr. Spitzer. Enjoy your well earned “vacation”.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 8:25 pm #
Maybe Glenn can lend his services to unprosecute the prostitution rings that Spitzer prosecuted if he feels so strongly about it.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 8:29 pm #
I’m sorry, but does anyone else chuckle when they read Socks has once again combined “breathless moralizing” into a post. Every single one of his idiot posts are ridiculously “breathless moralizing”.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 8:32 pm #
breathless moralizing - TSK9 - I think the most funny part about that is that he is usually in full on lefteous indignation at the time that he whips out (no, not that. EWWW) the breathless moralizing card.
Comment by Crimso on 3/10 @ 8:34 pm #
I would think that even if you don’t care about paying for sex, the use of a front company to do so would seem to be at least a little troubling. He used to imprison people for things like that…
Comment by SGT Ted on 3/10 @ 8:37 pm #
C’mon, TLD (TLG?). Don’t sugarcoat it. Say what you really think.
Comment by B Moe on 3/10 @ 8:42 pm #
… he should be treated no differently  no better and no worse  than the average citizen whom law enforcement catches hiring prostitutes.
But how can his alleged behavior  paying another adult roughly $1,000 per hour to travel from New York to Washington to meet him for sex  possibly justify resignation, let alone criminal prosecution, conviction and imprisonment?
The last time I saw somebody spinning like that she was hanging by her teeth from a trapeze at the circus.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 8:43 pm #
JD
I swear the man takes the same post and feeds them into into a scrabbler and then uses the find/replace function to change the names of the subjects if he needs too.
Mona do her OCD Socks mirror back up post yet?
Comment by The Lost Dog (or Lost God, maybe?) on 3/10 @ 8:45 pm #
archetype
“Is it possible that he was unaware of the toes that he was stepping on? Did he really believe that being a Dem. Gov. meant that he was in charge?”
Sorry, but I am laughing. “Toes he was stepping on”? I, personnally, have never seen toes with pubic hair on them, and (as far as I know), have bever confused THAT STUFF with anyone’s hairy feet.
Yup. Just remember, as a “public servant” (or in Spitzer’s case, pubic servant) that when you pull that thing out past your zipper, someone is recording it (Like Mommy Bloomberg in NYC). The secret is to “do” them (your chronicler) so that you have their DNA on YOUR stuff)
Hey-zuess Christo! Am I really old enough to have some moron like Spitzer ruffle my feathers?
Damn! I think I am.
Bummer. No more cheerleaders in my bed!
If you are a Hillary feminist (where genitals are the key to the universe), is that statement graver than calling Spitzer a “cunt”(which, by the way, is a word that I almost never use, because I know how much white women HATE it. If you are not a white woman, though, you probably don’t even kmow what it means).
All right. All right.
I give up! Self-imposed lurking until Obama is our new president.
I seem pretty angry though, huh?
Well, if this gets w
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 8:46 pm #
Crimso
True that. It was big time shady, the QAT Consulting website allowed you to designate the services as Office Feng Shui Interior Design on demand via paypal.(set up offshore LLC too!) The site was so hoky it soooo didn’t pass the “design” smell test.
Comment by Dusty on 3/10 @ 8:48 pm #
Maybe Andy Cuomo could look up the NYS misdemeanor arrest/conviction records and tell us that no Johns had been prosecuted for solicitation of prostitution from 1998 to 2006 while Spitzer was AG. He might also reassure us that none have been prosecuted since he has been Governor.
Then I’ll believe it is a private matter.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 8:49 pm #
TSK9 - Mona will be picking the gleens pubes out of her teeth for decades. I almost went to Kos and firedoglake to see what kind of frothing loonwaffliness they were spewing, but figured that Spitzer had spewed enough for one day. This is priceless, especially in light of him making Bloomberg seem tolerable.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 8:50 pm #
The folks on the radio suggested that this was not some random investigation that he got swept up into, but rather, some of his financial transactions triggered the investigation. Did he resign yet?
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 8:51 pm #
B Moe
paying another adult roughly $1,000 per hour to travel from New York to Washington to meet him for sex
“The last time I saw somebody spinning like that she was hanging by her teeth from a trapeze at the circus.”
I know. And it’s called the Mann act, something a constitutional scholar of his stature would surely know about and respect.
Besides, the left is always pulling out these obscure “acts” out in their obsessive relentless pursuits to finally get the unitary president, so I say suck it buddy!
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 8:53 pm #
“scrabbler” ack, scraMMbler.
Comment by Crimso on 3/10 @ 8:55 pm #
If you think about it, his behavior is quite consistent. Whether he was prosecuting white collar crime, or enjoying the services of prostitutes. In both cases, he was just taking care of the “little guy.”
Comment by LogicalSC on 3/10 @ 8:56 pm #
Al Maviva sd:
“it’d probably take murder (of a non-Republican non-fetus) to earn mild censure.”y
That threshold has already been passed…see their response to the “old liberal lion” Ted Kennedy. He is considered a hero to Democrats everywhere despite his actions at Chappaquidick.
The only downfall for the heroes of the left in this country is adopting a con
Comment by LogicalSC on 3/10 @ 8:58 pm #
that is, conservative position on any issue.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 9:00 pm #
This is just wrong, even if it’s Hillary…
After studiously avoiding any look at Baracky’s associations, including a certain ongoing trial, the AP wants us to think Hillary is at the nexus of a torrent of improper misbehavior. That’s about as in the tank for Baracky as you can get I think.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 9:04 pm #
er, improper behavior really is what I was after there.
Comment by B Moe on 3/10 @ 9:08 pm #
I think you were right the first time, ‘feets. For Democrats, misbehavior is proper. Getting caught is improper.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 9:10 pm #
Compare and contrast to the coverage over Larry Craig.
Then - REPUBLICAN SEX SCANDAL ROCKS DC becuz of Teh Hippokrissy
Now - Gov. Spitzer involed in prostitution scandal. Republicans are prudes.
Trackback by Fish Fear Me on 3/10 @ 9:12 pm #
So This is Spitzmas
It’s wrong to take pleasure in the problems of others…It’s wrong to take pleasure in the problems of others…It’s wrong to take pleasure in the problems of others… But oh my, this time it’s really, really, tough not to:Spitzer Is
Comment by Karl on 3/10 @ 9:13 pm #
Lanche!
Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 9:15 pm #
I don’t know really, but I’m definitely in the camp of those who think the wives and mothers at these little press conferences are just pitiful little creatures.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 9:18 pm #
It’s a really big deal I think when your husband spends upwards of a downpayment on a volvo c30 to fuck someone not you.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 9:21 pm #
Happyfeet - While watching that press conference, all I could think about was that if he thought the prostitute was expensive, the pound of flesh his better half will get when all of this blows over will make that look like chump change.
Comment by The Lost Dog (or Lost God, maybe?) on 3/10 @ 9:26 pm #
Hey, Dan.
Who cares whether Spitzer paid money for sex?
Maybe the people that he mercilessly beat about the head and shoulders as AG of NY? How cool would it be to get a call from this asshole, threatening you with the full weight of the state of New York, just because he wanted to make a name for himself? Asshole. Asshole. Asshole.
But, unfortunately, this lowest piece of garbage is THE worst case of egotism to ever infect our political system. He is an absolute piece of shit, and a bully, backed by the power of New York’s political system. Which is a story in itse4lf, better left to a future poat.
Hey, Elliot! You are one spectacular piece of shit. Anyone who has followed this idiot’s career cannot be surprised by this stupid, stupid, stupid , mess.
But, here’s the catch that makes me pause. If I had a thousand dollars of YOUR money, and the right phone number, that blond would have a mouthful this very moment, and I would be telling the limo to wait.
Go figure.
I have no problem with this moron’s sexual proclivities, but he has always been a total bully of an asshole, and has spent too much of his time (and power) trying to intimidate anyone who is/was successful.
I’ll stop here, but check this moron out. I just don’t have the energy to type all the crap that this man has pulled, “in the name of justice”.
Asshole. Asshole. Asshole.
This piece of ofal even eclipses the Clintons. And that takes some doing, for sure. Yup. For GD sure.
Happy Monday, everyone. (At my age, all days are Mondays)
Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 9:26 pm #
Just once though I’d like to see the wife grab the mic and do the how the cow ate the cabbage thing. Just once. The advance on her book, that would make the prostitute look pretty meager I think.
Comment by Darleen on 3/10 @ 9:37 pm #
Leftywingnuts are grasping for anything
Jane Hamsher thinks is may be some sort of conspiracy to “get” Spitzer.
whoa, I need to get me some more popcorn!
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 9:48 pm #
Darleen - This is a Rovian (that magnificent bastard) distraction to divert attention away from BushCo’s illegal wiretapping (guaranteed that will get tied together) and the failed war in Iraq. How am I doing so far ?
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 9:55 pm #
Jane Hamsher thinks is may be some sort of conspiracy to “get†Spitzer.
HAH! THAT made my day! Did the Bushies hypnotize Spitzer thereby making him break the law? GAWD they are good.
Comment by Octus on 3/10 @ 9:55 pm #
Shouts of joy rang out on the trading floor of the New York Stock Exchange when the news of Spitzer broke. Probably the memory of all the times this little Hitler used his power to not just extort big companies but BANKRUPT little guys caught up in an obscure law. I think prostitution should be legal–and taxed. Bet Spitzer does too, now. I am trying hard to not gloat. Mercy and humility are still virtues,too.
Comment by JorgXMcKie on 3/10 @ 10:00 pm #
Evidently by the time it was all over he had paid around $5500 for an hour of ’service’. I tried what I could think of having someone else do to/for me that I would pay $5500 and hour for. All I could come up with was something so painful I paid them to stop.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 10:01 pm #
TSK9 and Darleen - Thanks to both of you, and I am holding you directly responsible, I went over to manbearpig to see what they were yammering about. I feel dirty.
Why is it that every time the Left gets in a tizzy, they trot out the “raises serious questions” meme, and then proceed to ask some profoundly unserious questions?
Comment by mac on 3/10 @ 10:03 pm #
I thought the objectification and oppression of women was railed against by these folks. What if the equivalent of $1000 an hour was say $20 and hour in Cochabamba, is it still okay?? Unbelievable that Double G runs breathlessly to the mic to whine about peoples’ outrage. In the esteemed words of N Muntz: Ha Ha!
Comment by Darleen on 3/10 @ 10:03 pm #
Janey sez:
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 10:07 pm #
That the gleeeeeens are simply ignoring their previous standards BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY is not the least bit surprising. Predictable, in fact.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 10:07 pm #
No wonder their State budget was so far out of whack.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 10:11 pm #
Darleen
That’s a nice feminazi dodge wouldn’t you say?
If she can dream up a conspiracy she doesn’t have to deal with the fact that she’s defended and likes Spitzer (Drivers Licensees, and he makes her get her feminism grove on ) on the one hand and doesn’t have to deal with the misogynistic female flesh loving prosecutor of prostitution on the other (that would make Jane’s head explode if it were a Republican). So shades of the feminism sell out Clinton had them choke.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 10:31 pm #
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 10:34 pm #
What I notice about men, all men, is that their order is $5500 prostitutes, beer, sex, sports, me, my family, God is in there somewhere, but me is first… And, for women, me is fourth, and that’s not healthy.â€Â
Comment by McGehee on 3/10 @ 10:36 pm #
How long before somebody “testifies” that Rove personally asked her to do “opposition research” on Spitzer?
Comment by daleyrocks on 3/10 @ 10:39 pm #
What kind of magic pooter do you get for $5,500 per hour? I think Gleen is just in a pissy mood because he’s jealous he’ll never find out.
Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 10:40 pm #
I don’t think it’s necessary really. The third black governor yada yada will be more than enough for the Dems to make lemonade. What you can count on I think is a primetime Paterson speech in Colorado.
Comment by daleyrocks on 3/10 @ 10:48 pm #
I didn’t say that very well.
I can’t imagine Gleen’s boys in Brazil cost more than $5 or thereabouts, so he’s got to be going crazy wondering why somebody would pay that much money for sex. Could he be having second thoughts?
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 10:52 pm #
daleyrox - You seem kind of curious about the gleens tonight. NTTAWWT
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 10:58 pm #
daleyrocks
I think you get the kind of “clean” woman that you don’t have to practice what you preach to the poor folk about.
Comment by daleyrocks on 3/10 @ 11:00 pm #
JD - Are you saying that homophobia thing means what I think you mean?
Don’t go there!
Comment by daleyrocks on 3/10 @ 11:03 pm #
TSK9 - If you hand ‘em a toothbrush, some toothpaste and tell ‘em to brush their tooth and take a shower before hand, that usually works for me. They’re mostly just impressed that I have indoor plumbing.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 11:12 pm #
brush their tooth - Brilliant. Homophobe. Or is your homophobia a cover for your deep seated desire to go gerbil hunting ?
Comment by PCachu on 3/10 @ 11:12 pm #
“Did the Bushies hypnotize Spitzer thereby making him break the law? GAWD they are good.”
This calls for a RYMB. All together now:
ROVE, YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD!(tm)
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 11:12 pm #
I am only asking the tough questions.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 11:14 pm #
I - of course- had all kinds of typos and didn’t make sense in my Hamsher rant (I was trying to make cream of asparagus soup and meatloaf cupcakes at the same time), but would love if some one could go all medieval on her hypocritical femi “black face gurney Joe Kiss float” ass. Photoshop Jane in black face S&Ming Elliott? Something?
She is so stupid. Do you all remember when she threatened Jeff with libel or some retarded shit when he had her in a parody post drinking whiskey and did an obvious pretend quote?
The dogswampers are wound tighter than a drum, they need massive mocking!
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 11:16 pm #
Daley
I think it’s about his putting his thing into is what I was dancing around. Spitzer doesn’t like rubber.
Comment by JD on 3/10 @ 11:16 pm #
TSK9 - Meatloaf cupcakes ? Any rant mocking the folks at manbearpig is a good thing, typos and all.
Comment by JohnnyT on 3/10 @ 11:22 pm #
Spitzer got hoisted on his own petard, pure and simple. If he had, say, declined to investigate or prosecute brothels as a waste of valuable and limited resources needed for more serious investigations impacting the public (like, say, how many illegals are driving unlicensed, uninsured and unregistered on the streets of his state), he wouldn’t be on such shaky ground. But he didn’t. He went after them full speed ahead as a moral crusader.
Even Eliot Ness would not be so stupid as to be caught drinking during Prohibition. What’s Spitzer’s excuse?
Comment by M. Simon on 3/10 @ 11:26 pm #
Mercy and humility are virtues.
I humbly submit that Spitzer will get the mercy he deserves. From his wife.
Har.
Comment by daleyrocks on 3/10 @ 11:31 pm #
TSK9 - Just a minor correction - you forget a word in your Hampster description:
“black face gurney Joe Kiss floatâ€Â
“black face rape gurney Joe Kiss floatâ€Â
Comment by The Lost Dog on 3/10 @ 11:33 pm #
“Comment by happyfeet on 3/10 @ 9:18 pm #
It’s a really big deal I think when your husband spends upwards of a downpayment on a volvo c30 to fuck someone not you.”
Well, feets, I happened to walk by a mirror after a shower the other day, and would have to say that $1,000 would be a deal and a half for me. How did I ever get this old? And being a musician, why do I still feel like I’m 25 years old?
Cellulite! I have cellulite on my… whatever!
My God! I still see young women that are so hot, but they could easily call me “Grampa”. What’s up with that? I have faith, and live in it, but sometimes ….All those lumps and bumps can really bum me out.
Stick a fork in me, I think I’m done.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 11:33 pm #
Daley
Yes I did.
JD
Meatloaf cupcakes are tasty, I assure. They are like lunchables.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/10 @ 11:42 pm #
Here is Rape Gurney Jane’s headline
Some Questions About the Spitzer Incident
I joked earlier in the day that the AP must have reported this as an accident, then upgraded to an “incident”. Spitzer makes clear as detailed in the compliant he’s a user on Emperor, that’s Plural for swamp people, more than once, multiple user, of the services. Ain’t no incidental about it.
Comment by SteveG on 3/11 @ 12:22 am #
Isn’t it illegal at the federal level to transport hookers across state lines?
(Not that I really care unless it is a slavery or otherwise predatory issue) People like Spitzer should be held to the standards they have enforced upon others
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 12:28 am #
hmmm, Senators Craig and Vitter are still in office last time I checked.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 3/11 @ 12:35 am #
SteveG
Mann Act
–
One parallel I haven’t seen made so I will
Remember when Mrs. Fancy Pants Pelosi ordered Fois Gras and high end cuisine in the cafeteria? Someone mentioned”nothing says champion of the middle class like foie gras”
So Spitzer,” nothing says champion of the middle class like 5 G’s an hour for a piece of ass” You TELL it brother. Cuz that ain’t the middle class life cuz.
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 12:56 am #
Not saying he shouldn’t resign, but considering the two Senators of the Republican party caught with their pants down but still holding their ’seats’ a precedent’s been set. Also, this was Focused investigation upon Spitzer by the FBI and DoJ in order to get him involving bank transfers reported by his bank which shows incredible stupidity upon his part…cash is the only way to handle this sort of transaction. Alas he hasn’t a hope of saying he was framed as any of us could have got the same treatment if we make such transfers for any reason…..however of all the many such investigations by the limited manpower of the Feds…they focused upon Spitzer? But then Duke Cunningham, a Republican, was caught similarly.
NY state majority leader Joe Bruno who recently lost his wife to disease but might find some comfort in Spitzer’s fall. Seems that the arrogance of Spitzer was getting himself in trouble even before this happened.
He should step down and salvage his private life, imo.
Comment by ed on 3/11 @ 1:53 am #
As far as abortion, are there really people left who think that doing so should be a crime, that adults who terminate unwanted pregnancies should be convicted and go to prison? I realize that most of the folks who comment here are Jesus freaks, but we really need to get beyond this issue of abortion. It will always be available to rich people. Why criminalize it for the poor?
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 2:32 am #
“Embattled New York Governor Eliot Spitzer held a hastily scheduled press conference to answer charges that he patronized a prostitution ring, telling reporters, “I’ve been screwed.”
“While Mr. Spitzer refused to elaborate on his comment, he added for emphasis, “I’ve been screwed and it’s cost me a lot.”
Aides to the New York governor applauded him for responding quickly to the charges but across the state political observers wondered if he had raised more questions than he had answered.
Mr. Spitzer, who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), did receive a vote of support from her husband, former President Bill Clinton, who offered to “take over his position” if the governor is forced to step down.
“I am happy to perform all of the roles that Eliot has been performing,” Mr. Clinton said, adding that he had the experience to make crucial phone calls at 3 A.M.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/spitzer-ive-been-screwe_b_90778.html
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 2:39 am #
ed,,,, hmm, “jesus freaks” ? I don’t think so. But PW tends to be antiChoice or antiAbortion. That’d be like calling Elliot “Ness” Spitzer and his defender, Alan Dershowitz, “Jesus Freaks”
Alan Dershowitz (who taught Eliot at Harvard) now defending him on CNN…no surprise there…Lt-Governor David Patterson to succeed Eliot should he resign…would be the first African-American Governor of NY…
ed: Not me….maybe though too many smart people have abortions as the level of intelligence is going down. Seems that might be why the Republicans want to force poor people to have babies so they’ll not vote and spoil the ballots.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/11 @ 5:01 am #
Ed - I will be your Jesus Freak.
As for prostitution: while I find it strangely intriguing… I just can’t think that it is just plain wrong. And that’s the problem with our creatureliness. What I find most sad is that this guy is… erm… not a young buck, so to speak. One wonders why a man of his age would still be so focused on getting off… at the expense of all that is of actual import. It speaks to a level of immaturity I would expect from a 25 year old.
As an aspiring “Jesus Freak”, I would say that prostitution has all sorts of really destructive by-products: not least of which is reducing the penultimate (the Union of two lovers in complete giving of self to one another in an act of selfless mutual love) to an act focused on reducing the self to a measure of his libido and woman to a cum storage unit.
In my long years of shameful rock n roll touring, I never met a stripper whom I befriended that: a) didnt profess to love what she did for a living, and b) didnt fess up to having been severely damaged by a father, uncle, brother, boyfriend, teacher. But, I guess, the pay is decent.
Comment by Rusty on 3/11 @ 5:17 am #
I realize that most of the folks who comment here are Jesus freaks,
No. They’re not.
are there really people left who think that doing so should be a crime,
No. But it shouldn’t be a preferred method of contrception.
Disregarding the immorality and illegality of Spitzers act,he showed extremely poor judgement for the states highest ranking law enforcement officer. Poor judgement is not a trait the electorate looks for in their candidates. Except if they’re democrats.
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/11 @ 5:20 am #
Rusty - Ed was just tossing off Troll Bait… datadave couldnt help himself… go figure… but you?
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Comment by Carin on 3/11 @ 5:37 am #
What is lost in these arguments is how time consuming cheating on your spouse can be- hooker or not. I prefer elected officials - paid on our dime, and entrusted with our welfare - didn’t have messy lives.
My husbands partner has a messy home life. You know how often he needs to take calls from the girlfriends … make things right with an angry wife, etc? It’s amazing he has time to WORK.
I don’t think elected officials have unions, protecting them from being fired when they screw up, but it seems the Dems would like one (for Dems only, of course.) If a CEO fucked up, chances are great (no matter how he votes politically) the shareholders would boot him.
Comment by Carin on 3/11 @ 5:42 am #
Of course, here in Detroit, our Mayor just had the hooker (dancer) shot, fired the investigators, pulled the race card and got himself reelected.
Yesterday, more dirt was dug-up on this story. The dancer/hooker HAD filed a police report, which no one seems to be able to find.
Honestly, Detroit it being run like a tin-pot dictatorship.
Comment by Carin on 3/11 @ 6:04 am #
I understand I’m talking to myself at this point - but Detroit’s situation EXACTLY illustrates why public officials shouldn’t do nuaghty things. Because they have the POWER to cover them up in illegal ways, and may be motivated to do so.
Kwame, in order to cover up a lapdance (perhaps more?) and a wild party had TWO good officers FIRED and the dancer ended up dead under unusual circumstances:
The car drove by TWICE, firing only at Greene, which made it look like a hit.
Comment by Big Bang Hunter (pumping you up) on 3/11 @ 6:20 am #
- Que Nancy Pelosi, and the “Culture of Corruption” Senate players chior. Harry can take the part of Alphonse, and channel the cash loaded freezer. Sort of a little bit of truthiness in advertising.
- Referring to your poli-sci notes, Chapter 6, pgs 122-136, of your text book “Political Systems of the American Republic”, jot down the sentence beginning with “Absolute power….”, and commit it to memory. Friday we will have a flash test covering this topic, including sidebar examples of fsmous blue dresses in history.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/11 @ 6:30 am #
$1,000 per hour??????
What, did he get the “Abu Gharib Special”?
Comment by N. O'Brain on 3/11 @ 6:39 am #
“Mr. Spitzer, who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY),….”
Spitzer is a Democrat?
Who knew?
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 6:48 am #
You wouldn’t know it from reading the USA Today, N.O’Brain. You would find out that Vitter and Craig are Republicans though.
Comment by Salt Lick on 3/11 @ 6:52 am #
IMHO, it’s wrong for a politician to visit prostitutes. Visiting prostitutes usually harms the politician’s family and often influences his stance on public policy issues affecting the family, which is the basic economic and moral building block of a free society.
No, that’s not always the case. I’m sure there are men who visit prostitutes for relief of DSB (Deadly Sperm Buildup) and maintain solid, nurturing familes. And DSB makes plenty of “social conservatives” hypocrites. But I doubt that’s the norm.
Comment by Carin on 3/11 @ 6:53 am #
Ok, I’ve got my response to Gleens here comparing Spitzer to Detroit’s mayor and why sex matters. I got tired of talking to myself here this morning;)
Comment by alppuccino on 3/11 @ 7:07 am #
If prostitution were finally made legal, what a wonderful world it would be. No more life-scarring mystery. None of that annoying wholesomeness.
“Hi Krissy. Will you go to the Sophomore Christmas Dance with me on Friday?”
“Sure. Just make sure you bring the $75, y’nowattamsayin?”
“How much for doggy-style?”
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 7:19 am #
I would be willing to bet that the differences in quality between alpuccino’s $75 date and Eliot’s $5500 date are remarkable. ;-)
Comment by Carin on 3/11 @ 7:22 am #
Well, if prostitution were legal we could prolly get a pay-scale thing going. Unions, youknow. Equality for all.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/11 @ 7:32 am #
Maybe so JD, but will we hear a speech from Hillary along the lines of “I’M GOING TO TAKE THE PROFITS OF BIG HO AND GIVE THAT MONEY TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE HURTING!!!!! BIG HO IS MAKING EXORBITANT PROFITS WHILE A LITTLE GIRL IS WONDERING IF SHE CAN STAY IN HER HOME!!! NO MORE TAX BREAKS FOR BIG HO!!!”
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 7:42 am #
enoch, I try to welcoming to new comers…not call them ‘trolls’..it’s nice to have few newbies to flagellate and for me to have a possible partners in evil, I tell you EVIL Doings!, remember I am the nice librul troll black sheep. How can you be a rock n roll tourer and still be old as dirt? too much drugs maybe but still a ‘forever young’ baby boomer.
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 7:55 am #
I really don’t get it.. Mrs. Spitzer is a very nice looking lady. Very slim for her age and all that. Elliot could have kept his fantasies in his head. Damn nice kids.
Spitzer’s long time political opponent, Joseph Bruno, R, smartly took a high tone and gave verbal condolences to Mrs. Spitzer and her children. Bruno, an alleged victim of Spitzer’s politically motivated investigations by Spitzer’s aides to see if he was using state funds for personal travel expenses is also under Federal investigation too so even though Republicans are calling for Spitzer’s head, Bruno is taking a more conservative tack so far. Bruno’s district includes Saratoga’s horse racing industry. MOre and more, it was obvious Spitzer also had a politically motivated investigation straight from the White House….but he walked into it. As late as Valentine’s Day, the wire taps were set up just to trap him, as the Feds knew about Spitzer’s ‘tendencies’ long before. He’d started paying cash by then instead of the alleged ’structuring’ of bank transfers of less than 10K to pay off more than 10k of bills to the ‘escort service’. He’d been spending large…. I believe 10K transfers are the legal tipping point for the bank to call in the feds and irs for investigation. Now I don’t think he’ll be using that bank anymore. huffington’s got all these details…but more is coming I am sure.
entrapment sure, but stupid too for Spitzer.
Comment by enoch_root on 3/11 @ 7:56 am #
datadave - I am not that old… a Gen Xer… dont get me started on the Boomer Gen… fine trolls be, if’n they have brains.
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 8:04 am #
MOre and more, it was obvious Spitzer also had a politically motivated investigation straight from the White House….but he walked into it
Obvious? Really … do tell.
Entrapment? I cannot wait to hear how you arrived at that conclusion.
Comment by lee on 3/11 @ 8:06 am #
entrapment sure,
I don’t think entrapment means what you think it means.
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 8:09 am #
lee - I would suggest that he does not even know what he thinks it means.
Comment by lee on 3/11 @ 8:21 am #
JD, if you are suggesting what I think you are, and I’m sure you are, I have to agree.
Datadave is talking out his ass again.
Comment by Log Cabin on 3/11 @ 8:22 am #
Well that didn’t even take the leftards 24 hours: “it was obvious Spitzer also had a politically motivated investigation straight from the White House”.
Really? That’s the defense? Yet more BDS?
… Really?
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 8:24 am #
LogCabin - It has served them well to date, why mess with a good thing?
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 8:44 am #
hey, I was the troll bait. whud do u act so oooold fer?
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 8:54 am #
okay, I threw a few things out there. Just to get you guys going….it’s really all Spitzer’s fault. what an idiot. I won’t blame Bush for this one. Bush’s doj did get Duke Cunningham and they’re is supposed to be judicial independence in these matters. I linked to firedoglake’s excellent li’l website and they’re “downer” on Spitzer and billary probably more than youze guys. Dan linked to them too.
don’t know how this plays out for Obama..can’t hurt.
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 9:00 am #
from firedoglake….another good point:
Tominator March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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I don’t suppose Spitzer’s being a Dem had anything to do with it. I’m just asking.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..010882.php
They found 309 investigations, broken down as follows:
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Democrats: 262
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Republicans: 37
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Independents: 10
Now isn’t that odd? At the local level, even though both parties make up about half of all elected officials, Democrats get hammered and Republicans are left alone. Shields and Cragan offer up the following hypothesis:
We believe that this tremendous disparity is politically motivated and it occurs because the local (non-statewide and non-Congressional) investigations occur under the radar of a diligent national press. Each instance is treated by a local beat reporter as an isolated case that is only of local interest….[Conversely] because the investigations of state-wide and federal elected officials and candidates occurred within the radar of the national press, there was little room for nefarious, out-of-line investigations for political purposes on the part of the Bush Justice Department.
And who does these investigations? Why, U.S. Attorneys, the very group that Alberto Gonzales has been busily trying to make even more partisan. Apparently a 262-37 break
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eCAHNomics March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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In response to Hugh @ 19
Love that.
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looseheadprop March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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In response to TheOtherWA @ 13
Guess we’re not gonna hear much about the contempt of congress lawsuit on the teebee today. Pity
Yep,as per usual; sex will trump anything important as far as the “news†media is concerned.
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bonkers March 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Comment by datadave on 3/11 @ 9:01 am #
from firedoglake….another good point:
Tominator March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
26
I don’t suppose Spitzer’s being a Dem had anything to do with it. I’m just asking.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.c…..010882.php
They found 309 investigations, broken down as follows:
*
Democrats: 262
*
Republicans: 37
*
Independents: 10
Now isn’t that odd? At the local level, even though both parties make up about half of all elected officials, Democrats get hammered and Republicans are left alone. Shields and Cragan offer up the following hypothesis:
We believe that this tremendous disparity is politically motivated and it occurs because the local (non-statewide and non-Congressional) investigations occur under the radar of a diligent national press. Each instance is treated by a local beat reporter as an isolated case that is only of local interest….[Conversely] because the investigations of state-wide and federal elected officials and candidates occurred within the radar of the national press, there was little room for nefarious, out-of-line investigations for political purposes on the part of the Bush Justice Department.
And who does these investigations? Why, U.S. Attorneys, the very group that Alberto Gonzales has been busily trying to make even more partisan. Apparently a 262-37 break
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eCAHNomics March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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In response to Hugh @ 19
Love that.
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looseheadprop March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
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In response to TheOtherWA @ 13
Guess we’re not gonna hear much about the contempt of congress lawsuit on the teebee today. Pity
Yep,as per usual; sex will trump anything important as far as the “news†media is concerned.
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bonkers March 10th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Comment by Andrew on 3/11 @ 9:06 am #
Why should prostitution be illegal? You mean other than the fact that it objectifies women in a way no mere leering ever could, encourages infidelity with concomitant lying, spreads disease, and prevents the moral growth of the male half of the species?
Oh, I didn’t know it was two consenting adults. That makes EVERYTHING better.
Comment by lee on 3/11 @ 9:09 am #
DD, if wanted to read firedoglake, I’d go to firedoglake.
I’m glad you found someone to tell you what to think though…
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 9:12 am #
datadave - Maybe your party tends to attract those that are more likely to commit acts that would lead to an investigation. Just making an observation …
Comment by alppuccino on 3/11 @ 9:13 am #
don’t know how this plays out for Obama..can’t hurt.
I beg to differ:
McCain: I am over 70 years old. I’m too old to fuck whores. Whereas my opponent is only 46. Prime whore-fucking age.
Obama: I can assure you that I will not engage in any ho-fucking while in office.
McCain: Yeah, right.
Comment by Carin on 3/11 @ 9:16 am #
Ok, that paper dataless mentioned is all over. Proof, of course, that the Bushies are out to get the Dems using the long arm of the law. The conclusion, of the paper (I had to search) was that local Dems are targeted because it won’t get national play- they can get away with it on a local level. That’s why stat Dems are targeted in equal numbers to Stat Repubs, because (you know) they have to be “fair” in the national spotlight.
But, I wonder - and can’t find - how many major cities are Republican? My assumption is that most big cities lean heavily Democrat. And, it is the larger cities where you are going to find corruption. Again, assumption. I know it is certainly true, on both counts, in Detroit. I don’t think Detroit has a SINGLE elected Repbulican. Smaller cities may have Republican leadership, but not as many opportunities for lawbreaking.
Comment by Kirk on 3/11 @ 9:28 am #
Geez, it sure is nice to be able to come on here and get some directions on what we Christians think. What, with all the evangelizing I have to do and with the abortion clinic bombings, it is getting pretty hard to torment homosexuals and remain plugged into the narrative at the same time.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 9:41 am #
nah, its just more of the Moties re-engineering the ship.
like how an oldest profession sting becomes an anti-abortion schitck.
i’ve had an epiphany.
its all about teh thot police.
Let girls as young as 12 obtain abortions throughout all 9 months of pregnancy without ever having to tell their parents.
why on earth wud u want ur 12-year old to bear a child?
it is ur JOB as parents to make sure that doesnt happen FOR UR CHILDREN.
unless, of course xianity aint as great for raising kids as alla u theocons claim.
its Moties……Watchmaker and Engineer Moties alla way down.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 9:46 am #
NIN is right about wat u theocons really want.
thot police…..for our own good.
/spit
Comment by lee on 3/11 @ 9:49 am #
Let girls as young as 12 obtain abortions throughout all 9 months of pregnancy without ever having to tell their parents.
I highlighted the part relevant to those that object to the creeping cult of promiscuity and death.
Like you didn’t know…
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 9:49 am #
Dave:
Didja ever watch an NBA game after which one coach bitches and moans about the high number of free throws his opponent received?
Maybe, just maybe, his team committed more fouls. Maybe, just maybe, more Democrats are f*ing criminals!
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 9:51 am #
Is there any topic that nishi cannot try to turn into her own little soapbox on something completely unrelated ?
Comment by BJTexs on 3/11 @ 9:51 am #
It is possible to make nuanced judgments about this affair based upon the circumstances (are you listening, Jane?)
First and foremost the most eggregious part of the conduct (legal wise) is not the hiring of prostitutes but the delibrate hiding of the payments. This speaks to the heart of Spitzers Crusader like campaign on Wall Street. The fact that he would use a simplified version of a fund manager’s cash account scheme speaks volumes as to his (lack of)moral integrity.
Also the feminazi’s are going to be hard pressed playing the “it’s only sex” card when they are, on the other hand, screaming about the objectification of women by prostitution and pornography. That dog won’t hunt (heh). Further along the “it’s only sex” dodge is the same willful ignorance that was applies to Bubba Cigar Hummer. It was never about the private affairs of consenting adults but the opportunity to be compromised in executive decision making. Slick’s lying and Spitzer’s bouncing accounts walk hand in hand with the question of a political executive having such poor judgment as to make himself vulnerable to blackmail.
The actual prostitution part is the least of Spitzer’s problems IMHO, (as an aside, the Mann act, while at least partially inspired by the “JesusFreak” morality of the times was also presented as an opportunity to add additional charges to rings that were kidnapping young girls and spiriting them away to other states to live in sexual slavery) and thus the complaints about ‘Thuglican Prudes can be easily answered by avoiding the whole legal or not question and focusing on the cash and the opporunity to be compromised.
Hmmm looks like a Jeff G like sentence without any of the structure or vocabulary of a real writer. :-)
Comment by Carin on 3/11 @ 9:51 am #
Nishi, I think you need to start taking your medication.
Comment by daleyrocks on 3/11 @ 10:07 am #
I thought nishi said she was leaving. You can’t trust anything she says.
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 10:11 am #
Nishi:
What again are your conservative bona fides? I’ve lost track in all of the abortion-loving, Christian-hating, Obama-worshipping…
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 10:12 am #
Oh, and sorry, I didn’t mean to offend you by capitalizing your name.
wont hapn agn
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:16 am #
no….im right….i just cudnt figger it out at first.
in the beginning the Republican Party was about small government, non-intervention, personal freedom…..
now it is the morals police==moral majority, the anti-abortion party, the anti-gay marriage party….
like when the watchmaker moties got loose on the MacArthur
…at first the moties were good for the ship, and fixed things…..but soon….they began to change shipfunction into motie function.
that is wat the theocons have done to the republican party….it is how mccain cud get the nom…
cuz the important parts of the republican party, the core functions, like constitutionalism and small government had been converted to motie functions like LIFE! and anti-gaymarriage….
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 10:16 am #
I’d read The Mote In God’s Eye cover-to-cover a good dozen times before nishi was ever even a glint in her mom’s eye, by all appearances.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:18 am #
lee.
that is ur job as parents…so that even that did happen, ur child shud be able to tell u.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/11 @ 10:20 am #
Ignore nishi’s attempts to parse the discussion to her 3 pet issues and hijack the thread.
Let me talk about sex for a minute … got your attention?
I’d like to explain what the following people didn’t get:
Bette Midler: “Of course he (Clinton) lied, it was sex!”
Congress critter Ed Markley, D-Mass: (When asked by a High school student why Commander in Chief Clinton wouldn’t be subject to military style codes) “The President is Commander in Chief but he is not necessarily judged by the Military Codes for Conduct, being a civilian.”
All of those like Gleens, Jane or anyone else bleating about prostitution, sex, consenting adults, privacy and ‘thuglican prude hypocrites:
IT’S NOT ABOUT THE SEX!!!!
That’s right, peopleses, the self confessed evangelical Presbyterian nishi described theocon says that the sex itself is the least of the issues.
ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION, PROGS, LIBS AND MATHEMATICIANS?
The most important issue is what the sex says about the character and judgment of the person in public executive power!
The whole “it’d only sex” meme is a dodge, a change of subject designed to put the accuser on the defensive. What does it say about Spitzer’s character that he was “laundering” the money and willfully breaking The Mann Act to get his (expensive) rocks off? What was he willing to do to hide his involvement? What might he have been willing to do to continue to hide his involvement?
Yes, Ellers Socky McGleens, public officials are held to a different/higher standard because they operate with the public trust and thus are closely scrutinized for betrayals of that trust. Live with it!
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:20 am #
then u see im right slart.
dont u.
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 10:21 am #
Actually, nishi, I wish McCain would stand up for more conservative moral issues like you imagine. But the truth is, he just doesn’t. He is NOT supported by the majority of evangelicals. And as a hopelessly devout Catholic, conservative, heartland-dwelling troglodyte, I can tell you he doesn’t exactly appeal to me either.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:23 am #
BJtex, it is not about sex….it is about telling ppl wat to think….that sex is bad outside of marriage, that abortion is bad, that gay marriage is bad….u are trying to tell ppl WHAT TO THINK
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:24 am #
cowboy that is how he got in, im not sayin the moties wanted him.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 10:24 am #
No, I don’t. There’s always been a part of the Republican party that’s been aghast at the inclusion of the Moral Hypocrites, and I’ve always been one of those. And I’ve always had lots of company.
Insistence on treating Republicans (or, really, any large group of people) like they’re some collection of mutually identical individuals is stupid. I’ve told you as much before, yet you continue to insist on doing so. So, either you’re being deliberately stupid, and unwisely expecting everyone to follow along, or you’re being stupid by accident, which is just tragic.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 10:25 am #
Plus, this bit with analogies to alien civilizations is especially stupid.
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 10:26 am #
it is not about sex….it is about telling ppl wat to think….that sex is bad outside of marriage, that abortion is bad, that gay marriage is bad….u are trying to tell ppl WHAT TO THINK
…and yet progressives are so welcoming to people who choose to think that sex IS bad outside of marriage, that abortion IS bad, that gay marriage IS bad…right, nishi?
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 10:29 am #
Dialed back a few notches, nishi, I’m saying you need to do a little better job respecting the boundaries between real life and fantasy. Also, when you find yourself continually resorting to sci-fi plotlines and situations for analogies, moral lessons and the like, you need to consider getting out more, and possibly supplementing your reading material.
I say this as a guy whose library until age 30 or so consisted almost entirely of science fiction and fantasy.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:30 am #
cowboy just the republicans right now plz, no herrings.
no slart im so right if u think about it……it is the perfect analogy…in the beginning the moties were good for the ship. it is when they began to convert shipfunction to motiefunction that things went south.
parts of the republican party dont function any more, at least not as they were intended to.
Do u membah wat happened to the MacArthur?
Comment by BJTexs on 3/11 @ 10:30 am #
Ignore the threadjacker!
Comment by JD on 3/11 @ 10:36 am #
I will give Spitzer credit. If you are going to crash and burn, go out big. One of my biggest problems with President Clinton was that he had no standards whatsoever. If you are going to get impeached, at least get caught with someone that makes everyone nod their heads, and say, yeah, I can see why you would risk everything for that. At least Spitzer was shooting at a target higher than Clinton. ;-)
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 10:37 am #
Oh yeah, how could I be so stupid: the moties bred like rabbits, started a major war between different tribes, and redesigned the field generator so that the field would just expand as you fed energy in. Fortunately the good guys managed to reduce the MacArthur to slag before she made the jump point.
100% perfect analogy!
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 10:37 am #
One more, BJT, then I promise to get back under my mosquito net so that I can ignore the nishi-gnat.
cowboy just the republicans right now plz, no herrings.
nishi, do you see the irony in your telling anyone to stay on point in a discussion?
–OK, I’m done. I’ll go back to the kitchen I’m remodeling and smash some more drywall.
Envy me.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:39 am #
when im 30 ill start readin sumthing else besides scifi and technobooks, kk slart?
i allus thot trent reznor was kinda whack for his whole anti-bush schitck…..but i have had an epiphany, like i said.
the theocons really do want to tell ppl wat to think…they dress it up, try to make it rational and family oriented…
but it is really thot police.
wow.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:42 am #
well slart….unfortunately i think republican party is headed for slag.
cant ever get anything back from a motie-infestation.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:43 am #
yup, lunch ovah.
have a nice day.
i think i feel a mock coming on….shortlifes in space mebbe?
i feel much better.
i hope u all too.
Comment by BJTexs on 3/11 @ 10:46 am #
Anybody else here completely and utterly bored of the ten thousandth nishi Republican theocon argument? Good gawd, how many different, non-structural ways can you make the same argument over and over and over and over and …
Meh!
Comment by lee on 3/11 @ 10:48 am #
#137, you’re right of course.
I’ve come to the conclusion the much vaunted intelligence of nishi is greatly exaggerated.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 10:49 am #
while(1)argumentByAssertion();
Comment by alppuccino on 3/11 @ 10:49 am #
when im 30 ill start readin sumthing else besides scifi and technobooks, kk slart?
2022. I imagine they’ll be planting books in the brain via microchip by then. You’d better hope that there isn’t a written test to qualify, neesh.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 10:53 am #
sry, bjtex.
:)
i was just puzzled why PW felt so different to me.
i finally unnerstand.
the moties have taken over this ship too.
and i honestly didnt understand until just this slice of spacetime that the theocons want to tell ppl wat to think.
its all clear to me now.
after work i am gonna buy Year Zero.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 10:56 am #
Make that class_Dogged::argumentByAssertion();
Comment by Education Guy on 3/11 @ 11:04 am #
Theocon, theocon, where have you been?
I’ve been to the mosque to visit the Iman.
Theocon, theocon, what did you there?
I frightened a little secularist under her chair.
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 11:07 am #
Can I ask (anyone but nishi, who I honestly believe could not answer the question): exactly what is a theo-con? A person who is theologically conservative? A person who cares about theology and is conservative? Or is it one of those slippery labels that progressives like nishi use, understanding full well that they can apply it at will and if questioned simply claim their opponent “just doesn’t get” what they meant?
Comment by McGehee on 3/11 @ 11:07 am #
Only because we let you. But that’s over now.
‘Buh-bye.
Comment by Cowboy on 3/11 @ 11:09 am #
Are moties theo-cons?
Are theo-cons moties?
Are moties little tiny ditches dug around little tiny castles filled with water?
Comment by McGehee on 3/11 @ 11:09 am #
It’s a riff on “neo-con” meant to impose on those so labeled the same patina of unmitigated evil as the earlier word — with the added piquance of an accusation of seeking to create a theocracy in the United States.
Like fascism, theocracy is forever descending on America but landing somewhere else.
Comment by Major John on 3/11 @ 12:09 pm #
Please do not engage the TTP. I only get so much time to look in here from my spot in Iraq - I don’t need to keep reading the Rosie O’Donnell School of Writing and Expression…
Comment by BJTexs on 3/11 @ 12:54 pm #
MJ: I’m trying, man, I’m trying. I even used your name on another thread to threaten them, but they listen not!
Comment by CelticDragon on 3/11 @ 1:17 pm #
nishi, what do you have to say about people who are conservatives, not theocons, indeed NOT CHRISTIANS AT ALL?
I get so sick of the stupid frakking lefty meme “all you rethuglicans are thought control theocons”, I want to tear my hair out, which is incredibly frustrating, since I have no hair. I am a heathen conservative, proudly so, and am getting sick of nishi types trying to piss in my breakfast cereal.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 2:21 pm #
Jeff used it first…theocon, i mean. i took it from him.
theocons are political xians, xians that attempting to use the political process to promote their goals.
nishi, what do you have to say about people who are conservatives, not theocons, indeed NOT CHRISTIANS AT ALL?
CD, id say u have lost control of ur ship.
ammending the constitution to prevent gay marriage is not a republican issue, it is a theocon issue. the infamously stupid “terri’s law” was not a republican issue, but a theocon issue.
the theocons seek to impose xian moral values, like LIFE!uber-alles, through the political process.
i am not saying all republicans are theocons, but the theocons have infested the ship, just like the watchmaker moties, and now they are converting the republican functions to theocon functions.
im sry, but i bought into all the theocon specious argument up to now, so this is a huge revelation for me.
the theocons want to be the thought police, they want to legislate their particular morality.
Thank you for your service Major John.
;)
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 2:31 pm #
i guess i have to be grateful to the hagee issue…..i got my nose rubbed in wat u guyz wud accept as support and make excuses for. hagee is just another theocon, and the republicans cant win without all the theocon support at this point.
no matter how loathesome.
i honest cudn’t figure it out until now.
why the PWers wud excuse hagee.
when i saw wat he was about and read excerpts from his books, i was filled with horrified incredulous loathing.
no the PW commentors.
you made excuses and threw out chaff, saying wright and farrakhan were worse.
u never acknowledged how awful hagee was.
epiphany for me.
Comment by nishizonoshinji on 3/11 @ 2:36 pm #
in the old days Jeff wud have made fun of Hagee.
now u guyz just make excuses for him.
:(
Comment by McGehee on 3/11 @ 3:08 pm #
You realize that definition is unserviceable, don’t you? According to the way you’ve put it, a Lutheran who supports low taxes, strong defense and smaller government, but isn’t concerned about abortion either way, would qualify.
Maybe I’m just expecting too much of you, Nishi. I’m not used to people whose first language is Stupid.
Comment by McGehee on 3/11 @ 3:09 pm #
You’re working from a definition of “excuses” that isn’t found in the English language.
Comment by lee on 3/11 @ 3:29 pm #
the thought police, they want to legislate their particular morality.
As do you.
now u guyz just make excuses for him.
I think I speak for most here expressing my supreme indifference to Hagee.
Hagees endorsement of McCain does not change McCain, it only reveals how Hagee identifies with the political choices. Everyone and their dog is endorsing one candidate or another, if Ricardo “Richard” Muñoz RamÃÂrez (aka. the night stalker) endorses Obama, can we judge Obama for Ramirezs choice? nope. Probably means Ramirez is as afraid of “xians” as nishi, but don’t read anything into that.
Comment by Rusty on 3/11 @ 3:32 pm #
Comment by Enoch_Root on 3/11 @ 5:20 am #
Rusty - Ed was just tossing off Troll Bait… datadave couldnt help himself… go figure… but you?
It was either too early or it was late. The sun was in my eyes. The dog ate it. Nobody told that was the assignment. Sorry Ed.
Comment by daleyrocks on 3/11 @ 3:33 pm #
i was just puzzled why PW felt so different to me.
i finally unnerstand.
Puberty does strange things to people.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/11 @ 3:42 pm #
I thought Darrin McGavin was the Nightstalker.
Comment by lee on 3/11 @ 4:00 pm #
OK, Ricardo “Richard” Muñoz RamÃÂrez
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 4:01 pm #
Ok, nishi, that does it. You’re not only not nearly as smart as you say you are, you don’t seem to be much smarter than some minimal self-feeding threshold. No sentient being could process all of the character input you’ve had access to and come to that conclusion.
You, my friend, are a dumbass. The sooner you face the truth of that, the happier you’re going to be in life, and the sooner you can begin redesigning your life around that you’re a dumbass.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/11 @ 4:02 pm #
Ok, there’s another possibility. Our young friend nishi is a low-grade AI program, written by a below-average student.
Comment by McCarroll on 3/11 @ 4:56 pm #
Spitzer is home free on an insanity defense. Anybody who would pay that kind of money for a piece of sedge has to be nuts, when there’s so much to be had free.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/11 @ 5:26 pm #
No way. Syntax analysis and grammar trees are well understood, and spell-checking is a settled science, even in English. While a clever AI programmer might slip the occasional misspelling in, constant misspelling and poor grammar is just sloppy.
Nope, nishi’s just an ordinary imbecile.
Comment by Rusty on 3/11 @ 5:32 pm #
#170
Yeah but for 5k she’ll not only take you around the world, but shoot marichino cherries out her koochie into your manhatten while riding a unicycle. Did I mention there are sparklers?
Comment by B Moe on 3/11 @ 6:00 pm #
Ok, there’s another possibility. Our young friend nishi is a low-grade AI program…
Nope, just incredibly immature and naive. She is horrified by Hagee because she has never seen anything like that before and is scared of the unknown. Those of us who have spent some time growing up in the real world understand that it is just another side of things. The funniest thing to me is she seems to be upset by the growing influence of the theocons, when in actuality organized religion probably has the least influence in the Republican Party now than in the past thirty years. Most of us are old enough to know that.
Comment by Dan King on 3/11 @ 8:26 pm #
For a book about prostitution, you may be interested in Naked in Haiti: A Sexy Morality Tale About Tourists, Prostitutes & Politicians. http://www.dankingbooks.com will get you there.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:03 am #
Dr. Laura blames Spitzer’s wife As much as I detest the arrogant Dr. Laura, I suspected something amiss in Eliot’s home life…his wife is rather hot imo…with nice shape and hands and face and yet, who knows? You can get starved in a marriage, maybe she was too tired, he was away and again don’t believe she hasn’t known about what was going on for sometime. All you guys saying she looked like a deer in the headlights? They knew at least since Friday when the indictments were read to them. All weekend Spitzer was “ebullient” according to friends. And any intelligent woman would know something was amiss in the marriage for sometime. She radiates intelligence. And hopefully she’ll maybe get a bit more personal time out of her husband’s fall..or another husband. It’s sad for the family but there was surely an undercurrent of distress for a long while. They’ll survive just fine compared to the lot of us, Spitzer et al come from some substantial wealth before he was ever famous as his governor’s income was just chump change compared to their inheritance.
hey, she’s got a point. I heard that Mrs. Spitzer is advising that her husband hang on to the job.
Meanwhile Holier-than-thou Republicans retain their beloved Larry Craig. Anyway the real corruption is in Wall Street going up 400 points over Spitzer’s fall. Wall street has become a corrupt bastion of imbeciles ever since 1999 when a certain regulation was removed allowing huge margins between actual equity and bidding on ‘expected’ gains was retained as it was pre-1929…(and yes it was on Clinton-Rubin-Republican congress’s watch) thus the edge of the fall of our economy we’re seeing today. The 400 points upward though is only a memory already as oil futures head towards $150 per gallon: commodities, commodities, commodities…the only safe investment at the moment…or some wind energy companies that as of yet have not gone public…again something Spitzer et al were encouraging.
So again Wall Street’s Republicans are back to screwing the public and laughing about sexual problems of intense people who have normal foibles and problems. What Spitzer’s going through is just an average CEO’s sort of problem: they go through trophy wives like they go through purchases of luxury vehicles. One more Bentley, another wife and the multimillion dollar payout for the lawyers: Maybe $5000 prostitutes are a bargain! But considering CEOs are using the public’s money, as in institutional investors putting their people’s pension funds into over-hedged dubious “creative financial entities” we’d better pause and think how little Spitzer’s affairs relates to us and how much Wall Street’s corruption is hurting us as a nation.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:07 am #
Dan King, Haiti is the model nation of Republicanism. Philippines and El Salvador are the others: corrupt Oligarchies of the few with extreme Income Inequality. Russia too.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:10 am #
I wouldn’t have written this column had I not read The Wall Street Journal’s Page 1 news story headlined “Wall Street Cheers as Its Nemesis Plunges Into Crisis.†The article begins with the crowing statement “It’s Schadenfreude time on Wall Street†and goes on to quote those whom Spitzer went after over what should be considered the criminal greed that has predominated on Wall Street. It was Spitzer, as much as anyone, who sounded the alarm on the subprime mortgage crisis, the obscene payouts to CEOs who defrauded their shareholders and the other financial scandals that have brought the U.S. economy to its knees.
The best rule of thumb these days is that ordinary Americans should be mightily depressed over any news that Wall Street hustlers cheer, for they have been exposed as a dangerous pack of scoundrels quite willing to rob decent, hardworking people of their homes. And of course no one on Wall Street ever paid for sex.”
Comment by B Moe on 3/12 @ 5:11 am #
dave thinks Richie Rich was a documentary.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/12 @ 5:13 am #
we’d better pause and think how little Spitzer’s affairs relates to us and how much Wall Street’s corruption is hurting us as a nation.
But before we join datadave in his introspective quest, let us first stop and sharply strike our forehead with a 3 lb. sledge, to level the playing field.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:28 am #
how’s your wife al puccino? you guys make me laugh. Such instant gratification I can’t get just anywhere. If Eliot only knew about PW before wasting 4500 wall street deflated dollars (to be more precise) on some “Kristen”. His perfect LSAT score would have been put to better use playing with you guys.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:34 am #
actually working too much and doodling on the puter to know WTF who is richy rich…like Glen Greenwald? Never heard of him…i missed out on TV in the 70’s as it sucked. (SNL excluded….”DAVE’s not here!”)
Comment by alppuccino on 3/12 @ 5:43 am #
Where is your 401K working dave?
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:45 am #
”
1. Pay hookers in cash.
2. Think globally, act locally: don’t cross state lines to get laid.
3. Don’t use “George Fox” as a pseudonym.
4. If using a pseudonym, make up a phony address. Revealing the marital residence on Fifth Avenue is a bad idea.
5. Don’t try to avoid using condoms with women named Kristin.
6. Never send cash by mail.
7. Be skeptical about institutions with sexist names like The Emperor’s Club.
8. Don’t yell at investment bankers on the phone.
9. If you are famous for closing prostitution “rings,” don’t frequent them.
10. While in public office, fuck your own wife — unless you are in French politics.
Very little surprises me in the realm of sex. The Monica Lewinsky dust-up was a blip on my sexual radar — totally unsurprising and merely a testament to American Puritanism. Eliot Spitzer was such a tough attorney general that you’d expect him to have an outlet like “Kristen.”
I once did research on dominatrixes in New York for a novel I wrote called Any Woman’s Blues and discovered that one of them — Ava was her name — had a powerful male lawyer washing dishes in an apron and heels during her parties. Powerful men like to be humiliated. See Kraft-Ebbing and Sacher-Masoch. People with hyphenated names know about these things. Maybe all Attorney Generals are kinky and should stay out of public office. Think of Rudy Giuliani.
I don’t know much — but if I were in public office, I’d avoid having sex with anyone but my husband of 19 years, for my entire term. A good idea anyway — zipless fucks being much overrated for any woman past thirty-five — even if it is the new twenty-five.
Yes, there is a Yiddish proverb that goes: When the putz stands, the brains lie in the ground — but really, if you go into New York politics, you can’t be Philip Roth. Albany is also a bad idea.
I also find hotel rooms sexy, however DC is not a place to frequent them. The Mayflower? Give me a break.
Go to Vermont or New Hampshire — some town nobody’s heard of — or fly to Paris for a long weekend and stay at the Crillon. Needs, we all have needs and we are not saints. But there’s a price for being the gov — now “luv guv” — though love had nothing to do with it.
Ok, Eliot Spitzer is not Oedipus Rex, but there is something Greek about this silly tragedyette. Or tragedy-lite. The guy is rather self-destructive. The Mafiosi are laughing in jail while the moguls are laughing in their clubs.
We are not angels and we all have “needs.” If Dick Morris can get his wife back so can Eliot Spitzer. But what a dumb fuck he is — sort of like Gov. Corzine failing to click his seatbelt.
If you really want to laugh, imagine if he were a woman “luv guv” with her rental toy boy or girl. That would really be a tragedy. She’d not only resign, she’d have to commit Hari Kari. On reality TV. And women would be cheering her on, with Maureen Dowd and Andrea Peyser leading the pack.”
Ericka Jong I like her!
Comment by alppuccino on 3/12 @ 5:51 am #
I’m pretty sure my schwantz has a higher IQ than Erika Jong. Redundant?
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:53 am #
ha ha, sorry 401 K…mine is a JOKE. u don’t want to know. I am into commodities, “my friend”. (but that’s a joke too.) To use a McCain-ism. For some reason what little that’s in my 401 K hasn’t gone up for 8 years..due to the fees the broker put in at the outset, my then employer lied about the fees his 401 salesguy dinged us with. We actually did remodeling work on the ‘broker’s’ house and I noticed his prominent library of books in the “Looking out for Number One” vein. That title was prominent in fact.
Reverse Mortgages…..and their upfront fees. let’s get onto that one next? Oh, need to go to work. sorry.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 5:58 am #
I didn’t think her ‘fear of flying’ was so hot but that li’l thing about Spitzer is. Did you see that Emperor Club flier? Rate of fees and disclaimers and such? Logo was like out of some Greek restaurant menu printer’s template or something. You’d think Spitzer would have had more style. I like his wife. (I keep saying that don’t I?) anyway, ciao. Enjoyed your comments as usual.
Comment by alppuccino on 3/12 @ 6:04 am #
Be careful out there dave.
Comment by Pablo on 3/12 @ 6:21 am #
No dave, she didn’t.
This is what happens when you get your news from HuffPo.
Yeah, that 200 billion the Fed just pumped into the credit market had nothing to do with it. It’s not like lender liquidity has had anything to do with this downturn. The market was just afraid of the Governor of New York.
That was a Cheech and Chong bit. Did I mention that everything you know is wrong, dave?
Comment by B Moe on 3/12 @ 6:28 am #
I noticed his prominent library of books in the “Looking out for Number One†vein.
You might ought to read one, I am pretty sure it would advise you to find another broker. Or you could keep on trying to elect yourself a new mommy and daddy.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 6:36 am #
yeah, they never appeared on SNL? but you’re right, I bad. What have you been correct about other than minutia? Although I enjoyed your 10 dollar word on the other thread…man, you spout logorhhea(sp?) to elucidate my verbosity. ginormous! (to use a right winger’s neologism)You seemed a little perplexed about the fact that immigrants actually commit less crimes than native borne folks..(that included illegal immigrants too). Oh, they’re all Criminals. gotcha.
work? okay, okay, I came back to check the weather…
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 6:39 am #
yeah, I heard about that reason for the uptick too…but I was quoting the front page of the WSJ. Dude, now we know the WSJ is lying.
Comment by datadave on 3/12 @ 6:43 am #
“Kotb asked her if she would stand by her husband as Silda Spitzer and Matos did by theirs in a similar situation.
“If I had been a truly loving, caretaking, supportive wife, and my husband did such an egregious thing, his butt would be standing there by itself,†Schlessinger replied.”
isn’t dr. L. divorced and unloved too.
” Dr. Laura blames Spitzer’s wife
No dave, she didn’t. ”
I guess it depends how you describe the verb “blame”?
Comment by alppuccino on 3/12 @ 6:52 am #
I like where you’re going with this dave and I think this is finally the “out” that the feminists need to acknowledge that wives need to cleave to their husbands and provide them with all the hot, dirty, sexual goodies that they demand. A Rusty Trombone would be a good start.
Now if Spitzer had been a Republican/conservative, the wife would bear no responsibility. IT’S THIS GODDAMMED SYSTEM!!
Comment by Pablo on 3/12 @ 6:55 am #
You seem unable to stop conflating illegal immigrants with legal immigrants.
To assign fault, responsibility. How would you describe it?
Comment by Pablo on 3/12 @ 7:24 am #
Dow Rallies 416.66 Points
Where’s the part where WSJ says the bounce was because of Spitzer, dave?
Comment by Rob Crawford on 3/12 @ 8:09 am #
Except that every goddamned illegal alien has committed at least one crime. Hard to beat a 100%+ crime rate.
Asshat.
Comment by JD on 3/12 @ 8:14 am #
i honest cudn’t figure it out until now.
why the PWers wud excuse hagee.
when i saw wat he was about and read excerpts from his books, i was filled with horrified incredulous loathing.
no the PW commentors.
you made excuses and threw out chaff, saying wright and farrakhan were worse.
u never acknowledged how awful hagee was.
This might be the biggest steaming pile of mendoucheous cow dung that you have dropped around here, nishi. No small feat.
alpuccino - That 3 pound sledge did not get you down to datadave’s level. Try the 5 pounder.
Comment by JD on 3/12 @ 8:18 am #
Rob - dataless is physically and mentally incapable of not conflating legal and illegal immigrants. Does. Not. Compute.
Comment by McGehee on 3/12 @ 8:47 am #
You could have stopped there, you know.
Comment by Chester White on 3/12 @ 5:31 pm #
I went to college with Spitzer. He was a first-class self-absorbed scheming power-mad student-council-president-type jerkwad at 18 and nothing I’ve heard this week is a surprise at all.
Comment by JD on 3/12 @ 5:42 pm #
He was a first-class self-absorbed scheming power-mad student-council-president-type jerkwad at 18 and nothing I’ve heard this week is a surprise at all.
Why go and pull punches? Nobody gets scolded for a little salty language round these here parts.
Comment by Slartibartfast on 3/12 @ 7:05 pm #
No, I’m not talking about the misspelling. That’s clearly deliberate, and could be programmed in, with variations, even, by anyone even grazingly acquainted with coding. What I’m talking about is that a decent AI ought to be able to answer questions, or at least put on the appearance of answering them while providing a non-answer. The nishi-bot isn’t even that good.
Although the nearly random, bizarrely wrong conclusions and accusations might be genius masquerading as idiocy. Possibly some MIT dweeb, somewhere, is having himself a good chuckle at our expense.
Comment by Vernon on 3/15 @ 9:41 pm #
Spitzer’s wife is just simply one of the most attractive middle-aged women I’ve ever seen. Alluring. I could fall in love with her in a minute.
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