Who?  Moi?
People will have to choose which of America’s sins are [sic] greater, and which stain will have to be removed first. Is misogyny worse than racism, or is racism worse than misogyny?
As it turns out, making history is actually a way of being imprisoned by history. It’s all about the past. Will America’s racial past be expunged or America’s sexist past be expunged? As Ali Gallagher, a white Hillary volunteer in Austin told The Washington Post’s Krissah Williams: “A friend of mine, a black man, said to me, ‘My ancestors came to this country in chains; I’m voting for Barack.’ I told him, ‘Well, my sisters came here in chains and on their periods; I’m voting for Hillary.’ â€Â
And meanwhile, the conventional white man sits on the Republican side and enjoys the spectacle of the Democrats’ identity pileup and victim lock.
Conventional white man, huh? Well, it is pretty funny. My ancestors came here in boats. Some of them were women, I’d imagine.
Look: couldn’t we just elect Michelle Obama and get all this crap out of the way?
I mean, do we really want to hear, “A vote for Obama disses your mama” or “A vote for the darkie supports the patriarchy”? “A vote for the mom says you’re Uncle Tom” or “A vote for Hill makes you Whitey’s shill”?
Because, you see, I’m such a rampant racist sexist for pointing out that that’s to what this will likely come. Also: chocolate.
I dunno about no expunging. It’s equal opportunity what’s the deal, and I think that’s been pretty amply evinced really. Anyone can be president, pretty much. Except Mormons. And gay peoples. And gay Mormon peoples.
True enough, hf. But don’t think that’s the message “we’ll” [read: the writers of THE NARRATIVE] will draw from this. Already we’re hearing how Archie Bunker Dems gave their votes to Hillary because of their racism — though if I remember correctly, Archie had his problems with women working outside the house, too. Lesser of two evils, I guess the argument is.
And if McCain wins…well, Americans are both racist AND misogynistic. Q.E.D. We’ve put ourselves as a culture into a position, through PC bullying, that weakminded people are actually going to cast their votes for president so that they can claim they voted for either a woman or a black man — without any regard to what the policies or experience of these individuals will likely do to our defense and our economy.
And that’s because academics, identity pimps, and the media have succeeded in turning our country into a collection of interest groups, rather than a country filled with individuals, any of whom, under the right circumstances, can rise — regardless of color or gender. Which is what this election cycle SHOULD be teaching us.
If anything, we should be more concerned with the kinds of policies that makes it nearly impossible for many people — of all colors and genders — to make their way in politics to begin with.
It’s like cooking a box of chocolate vaginas in your worst enemy’s microwave.
Nice catch of the verb number, bro.
You funny as hell.
Happy, even In Salt Lake City there’s a place for a political Gay Mormon– ol’ Joe Redburn of talk radio. But even in the city of Salt Sodomites don’t get transformed into solid rock salt peckerheads. Bring’em Young even brought into being one such soul. President Young? Been there, done that, in Utah.
MoDo? Wow, I like her. Dan. Like she’s a mate: an equal opportunity offender…she was right-on about both Bill and George W.. I think she’s HawT.
In advance, I’ll say Happy St. Patrick’s Day. And my Irish/Italian/German love’s b.day also. Graduate of Saint Mary Regina HS in Hawthorne, NY and . To think I’d ever hook up with a papist, me being an Scotch/Irish anti-papist (Appalachian poor-Wasp). The jokes on me. Got a week or so to prepare myself…..
The only solution for the Dems is an Obama/Hillary or Hillary/Obama ticket. Or it’s a Dukakis blow-out.
SHOULD, SHOULD, SHOULD (capitalized even): truly dictatorial right-winger-ness. The whining, complaining… oh, but that’s what I am guilty of?
I’ll put a few Vienna Sausages in with the choc.v’s, thanks, Thor!
I asked one Clinton person and one Baracky person today about Hillaracky and they both scoffed. It’s like a chimera I think.
More interesting is that John Edwards is probably feeling the thing just exactly as Dan and Jeff describe a lot. Like really really feeling it, in a pseudoprayerful kind of way. I wonder if Baracky would really want his endorsement, but delegates is delegates. I don’t know how that works really.
Michelle? Fuck Michelle.
OPRAH!!!
Thanks, Alcyoneus, but as a prick, that’s the sort of thing I do.
That guy did a lot of work, datadave person. Also I’d never seen the word homogamy before. That’s really kind of an awkward word etymologically I think.
NPR is really really bitter today. They’re saying Hillary has bought time to see if she continue getting traction from “throwing the Republican playbook” at Obama. They really are foul and whorey and not particularly good at this journalism thing.
oh. to see if she *can* continue is what they said
I guess that means that The Republican Playbook is a Kitchen Sink.
Just wait twelve years. Or sixteen, depending on how it falls out.
Hillary! II, except this one stayed in the fire too long[1]
Regards,
Ric
[1]Yes, I know. I do not admire Barak Obama in any way; this makes me, by definition, a racist, so there are no further penalties they can apply. It’s liberating. Rastus jokes next.
Tickets, tickets, please. One guilt trip is on track three, the other is on track five. Tickets, tickets, please.
holy shit, Happy, I didn’t get around to appraising that website more until afterwards. All I want to know and more, more than I want to know. I tell you SLC is one strange town. Damned most crazed sexual parties of sorts of passions you can imagine in the capital of Mormonism and I am a dork with only a bicycle at the time and still got invited to some of them. (is teh irony safe here? ta ta )
The “kitchen sink” sounds very family values-oriented and Leave-It-To-Beaver-like.
Back on the NPR thing, cause for real, how weird will it be for Hillary to get the nomination and for them to have to pivot from fellating Baracky to purring about Hillary’s historic campaign against the patriarchy? Probably about as weird as them discovering the economy is in pretty damn good shape two months after she takes office.
This word, expunged. I do not think it means what she thinks it means. If electing Barrack would truly expunge America’s racial past, I would have his bumpersticker on my forehead. Unfortunately, I suspect electing him would do have the exact opposite effect.
Per Ali G.: what white people came here in chains?
anyone?
surely not the Irish…they came here in steerage, to be sure, but that’s a bit of a distance from chains
NB: love the casual menstrual reference.
AG:”Because Hilary (once) menstruate(d), I’m with her.”
Me: “Oh, c’est vrai? I hear you–my wife was at the Condi ’12 planning meeting, and was it something…”
Here’s a question. Gen. Mattis of the USMC said this:
“I come in peace. I didn’t bring artillery. But I’m pleading with you, with tears in my eyes: If you fuck with me, I’ll kill you all.”
Who – and your choices are Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain – would say:
(A) “Get a focus group together and find out the impact on ‘Good Morning America’ viewers.”
(B) “Send those sheiks a poundcake quick – but make sure it’s vegan!”
(C) “Heh heh, that was good; run it a couple of more times.”
No cheating!
I’m a little curious, and uneasy, about what exactly an “unconventional” white man is according to Mo Do.
Well, for example . . . Ric Caric. Or this Pearlstein guy. Or Ru Paul.
Hillary, A
McCain, C
Baracky, present
Per Ali G.: what white people came here in chains?
anyone?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony
http://www.stratfordhall.org/ed-servants.html
That is a good start.
You get the gold star, hf!
But only if you can play ‘Hot Cross Buns’ on your flutophone.
We respects the arts here, we do!
B Moe, you beat me to it. I was about to write that my ancestors came here, like Dan’s, in boats, and then were promptly kicked off any decent land to be had back in the 18th Century. Those that weren’t working as indentured servants were relegated to rock and tree-strewn stretches of the Appalachians and Alleghenys, soon to become Maureen’s conventional white men. That is, when they weren’t intermarrying like crazy with decidedly non-white Native tribes. That’s okay, Maureen doesn’t really give a shit about them either, except when it’s convenient to do so.
Oh. I’m an accomplished flutophonist. It’s kind of sad really.
Mcgruder – per B Moe, why don’t you look up ‘penal colonies’ or ‘indentured servant’ before quoting an actor?
Also, see ‘James Oglethorpe’.
“Oh. I’m an accomplished flutophonist. It’s kind of sad really.”
Only if you never mastered “Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star.”
I once substitute taught for elementary school band. Way outside my paygrade, as it were. But those little kids were great on the flutophone!
I was the teacher, I told them so; it must have been true!
Baracky – Present. Brilliant. And, racist.
You’d think somebody named McGruder would have a better grasp of how many white people came to the New World in chains, especially since the name McGruder is associated with MacGregor.
“I tell you SLC is one strange town. Damned most crazed sexual parties of sorts of passions you can imagine in the capital of Mormonism and I am a dork with only a bicycle at the time and still got invited to some of them.”
Funny how datadave sounds like John Amaechi in this thread. “Salt Lake City is SOOOO conservative and repressive…so I spent all my free time at the local gay bars, and one of my gay friends shouted “nice ass” to me at a game without any backlash from those Rethuglican prudes. And despite the fact that I averaged 2 points a game and came to practice with a lousy attitude from living in this bigoted city (with the numerous gay bars), the owner and coach hated me because they hate fags.”
And datadave is criticizing conservatives for projecting stereotypes?
MoDo?
“Baracky – Present. Brilliant. And, racist.”
But hf’s a budding artistic talent, and we don’t want to quash that, JD. I mean, how many oodles and oodles of federal dollars would be needed to restore hf’s confidence with the flutophone?
Probably more than the Obama family budgets on fruit and veggies, and that could seriously impact the GNP! Be gentle on the ‘feets, be gentle.
ok that was just kind of an innuendo thinger that went horribly wrong in all kinds of ways now that I look at that again. I know better than to try and do this when I’m on the phone.
I’m a little curious, and uneasy, about what exactly an “unconventional†white man is according to Mo Do.
No worries: he’s obviously the one who changes his R. to a D. so that he can “help” the literally self-less, whimpering guilty bigots through their current eternal moment of indentity crises. I intend to do some good, but maybe I could also be bought.
My great-great grandpa OWNED my great great grandma.
I pay reparations to myself.
If this is happening for the 2nd time in a month, you should probably get your hormone levels checked.
No no no no no. That’s the one thing I’m looking forward to if Obama makes it all the way: post-racial America. It doesn’t matter what he or his wife say or do afterward. The only salient fact will be that he was elected in the first place. Seriously, if he wins the nomination of his party and then the presidency, how racist could America really be?
“America is racist.” Yeah. The President of the United States is a black man, and millions upon millions of white Americans voted for him. Nowâ€â€Shut. The. Fuck. Up.
Now I really hope Obama doesn’t get elected because he’s not qualified to hold the office, a fact that I believe will eventually be his undoing. But part of me can’t wait for post-racial era his election would drop us into, kicking and screaming.
Does that make me a bad person?
yours/
peter.
I’m too lazy to look up the link, but Thomas Sowell wrote that Caucasians were being sold off the block in Morocco 20 years after emancipation at the end of the American civil war.
I know that isn’t being brought here in chains, but that Caucasian may have been from here!
Post-racial America? Hispanics don’t seem to be a lot on board the Baracky thing. On the one hand for real I can see someone pitching them an idea of a sort of joint black/white alliance of oppression just for starters, but more I kind of suspect that capitalism vs. communitarianism etc. and blah blah blah would be the ascendant lens anyway concomitant with an Obama administration; I think that’s where they want to go anyway is what I mean. This for real is the global warming election is what I think, and there’s a whole set of “values” what are gonna get ratified that have been wargamed a lot more thoroughly than race ever was. I really believe that even if it sounds overwrought.
Shorter #40: Post-racialism Baracky style only just freights economic inequality as a systemic indictment unmitigated by racism, which really is not a promising development.
1) Almost half of American slaves, by any non-bullshit definition of the term, were white. Researching the origin of the phrase “spirited away” will lead you to some forbidden knowledge. Go get it.
2) Half my ancestors came here to get away from politicians, because politicians were about to kill them. The other half were mostly brought here “in chains” for Obama’s and McCain’s and Hillary’s ancestors.
I vote fuck them all with the sharpest, rustiest, biggest thing you can lift.
My ancestors were already here and some of them ended up walking the Trail of Tears. I also had ancestors that came here in boats and fought in the Revolution and the Civil War. I had an ancestor named Jacob with a very German last name who married a girl named Jemima of mysterious lineage. That makes me an American and I am tired of people telling me who I am obligated to vote for.
And I am a woman, so where does that leave me? Voting for McCain I guess.
The choice for Democrats is between misandry and racism. The choice for Americans is between competence and incompetence, victory and defeat, adulthood and childishness, progress and progressives…etc etc etc.
I don’t know how it would help black people if the first black president is a gross incompetent – with a depressed and depressing wife.
No no no no no. That’s the one thing I’m looking forward to if Obama makes it all the way: post-racial America.
Sorry, Peter, but I see it spun as “only being the first step toward closure”. Far from being expunged, the history will be magnified, amplified and projected on anything and everything. Any resistance will be branded racism and the screeching and howling will rival hell itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Amaechi ??? I thought you meant Don Amechi? There also is a John Amechi? chimera? love that word!!! yeah hf
I am just a poor Caucasian looking for a woolly Mammoth to keep my brood alive in my own penal colony. I’ll never forgive those black bastards who ran my pale ancestors north into the glaciers.
Dave, STFU.
“I’m a little curious, and uneasy, about what exactly an “unconventional†white man is according to Mo Do.”
For starters, I’d imagine he has to be a Democrat. Plus, he probably needs to lose the cigar and ‘Standard Oil’ sash.
[…] Dan Collins, riffing off a Maureen Dowd column concerning the ridiculous extremes identity politics are taking. Hillary supporters claim that if you don’t vote for Hillary you are a misogynist and Obama supporters claim that if you don’t vote for Obama you are a racist. […]
I have no doubt you are right, racial demagogues everywhere will do and say anything to keep their meal ticket alive, but all of their wailing and gnashing of teeth would fall on deaf ears. Deaf white ears that is, the ears that the argument has been made for all this time, in an effort to produce majority guilt and political concessions. But after this country elects an African American chairman of the board, it will take a return of slavery itself to bring back “racist” America. Same thing with Hillary and sexism. And if we elect them both on the same ticket? OMG! A two-fer!!1! Buh-bye “glass ceiling”! Womyn’s studies and black studies would become the new basket-weavingâ€â€at best…
yours/
peter.
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