As expected, the establishment media herd is grazing in a field of Obamentum. Sen. Barack Obama’s adviser David Plouffe claims a mantle of inevitability, and the Politico, the Washington Post and New York magazine suggest that Sen. Hillary Clinton’s coalition may be cracking.
The Politico reports:
His widening coalition is becoming part of his message: He won a majority of Latino votes – which had been Clinton’s bulwark elsewhere – in Virginia and Maryland.
Obama won 54% of Hispanics in Virginia, but Hispanics constituted only 5% of the vote. Clinton won 55% of Hispanics in Maryland, but Hispanics constituted only 4% of the vote. These are not exactly the sort of exit poll samples from which one can conclude much about the Hispanic vote generally.
The Washington Post reports:
Obama won among men, among women and among union voters. He won big among the affluent, educated voters in the District’s suburbs, but he also won convincingly among rural voters and small-town Democrats.
Celinda Lake, an independent Democratic pollster, noted that the class divide that once demarcated the Obama-Clinton battle lines was obliterated in Virginia and Maryland. In Virginia, Obama carried the vote of those earning less than $50,000 by 26 percentage points. In Maryland, the gap was 24 percentage points.
Clinton still pulled more votes from white women, but that advantage was neutralized by Obama’s popularity among white men. Even Latinos, who helped deliver Nevada and California to the senator from New York, split about evenly between Obama and Clinton — although the number of Hispanic voters was much smaller.
“Certainly he broadened his coalition,” Lake said. “The question is whether that’s a one-state phenomenon or a broader phenomenon, because it definitely changes the landscape.”
New York magazine’s Daily Intelligencer echoed these points:
Even more distressing for Clinton’s side were the signs that Obama had eaten into her bedrock of support. That he’d beaten her among white voters and folks earning less than $50,000 a year in Virginia. That he’d done the same among union households and white Catholics in Maryland.
Is the Clinton coalition cracking up, or were the Potomac primaries a more local phenomenon? Jay Cost addressed the point:
Unfortunately, the exit polls in Virginia and Maryland do not provide much of a clue about whether momentum is coming into play. Obama’s best groups are heavily represented in both states – and the exit polls do not really dig deep enough into voter demography to offer a clear answer as to whether Clinton is hemorrhaging parts of her core constituency. For instance, the exit poll shows Obama winning white men in Virginia by 14% and Clinton winning white women by 9%. The white gender gap remains, but it favors Clinton less. In Maryland, the story is the same. White men break more heavily to Obama than they have in the past; white women break less heavily to Clinton. Is this simply a function of wealthy voters, male and female alike, going for Obama? Amazingly, 39% of Virginia Democrats and 41% of Maryland Democrats reported incomes of $100,000 or more – this plays to a major strength of Obama. If income is causing these changes in the gender gap, it is hard to see momentum as a factor. If it is something other than income, Obama might indeed be benefiting from momentum.
Cost also noted that southern whites tend to support Clinton, while northern whites split their support between Clinton and Obama according to gender. Virginia and Maryland — which have characteristics of both north and south — may have ended up following the northern pattern.
I would add that Obama’s win among union workers may also be peculiar to the Potomac primaries. DC and the borders of neighboring Maryland and Virginia have plenty of upscale, civil service union members and are not necessarily representative of union workers in states like Texas or Ohio. Moreover, assessing the union vote — or the vote of those earning less than $50,000 a year — without knowing the racial breakdown is a very risky proposition.
Indeed, the exit poll data for nearby Delaware might be instructive.  In Delaware, Obama won those earning less than $50,000 a year and tied in union households. He won the state (53%-43%) even though the vote was 60% women.  The black vote in Delaware was about 28% of the total — less than in Maryland (38%) and roughly equal to Virginia (30%).  Only 22% of the Delaware Dems made over $100,000 a year — a little more than half the number in Maryland and Virginia.
It is possible that the Clinton coalition is eroding, if not quite cracking up. But Cost is correct in concluding the exit poll data is not sufficient to support that conclusion, given the race and income factors in the Potomac primaries.
So if Obama gets the nomination and loses that’s better for Hillary than if he gets the nomination and wins, right? I bet that’s what she’s thinking right now. That and how much she hates that Bill guy.
yah happy shez still a playah at 64
mccain will never make two terms..hell be 74 in 2012
if huck gets the veep slot bilary cud kick his ass in 2012
a feint within a feint
Mostly I just mean though if Obama loses against McCain Hillary can tell herself that if she had been the nominee she would have gone all the way. She won’t have lost a national campaign.
But what’s really interesting is that no one gives a shit really about her being the first serious woman candidate for president, and next time around the next hoochie will find that that will only have the most contrived cachet if any.
These Clinton people are really kind of toxic to feminism as we know it I think. Seems that way anyway.
Did we know this already?
His cost cutteriness is like his biggest talking point domestically and that’s the best the old coot can do? Boy better geritol up I think.
well …..i loathe boutique feminists for the most part
i like Camile Paglia quite a lot tho
The old-guard feminist establishment has also rushed out of cold storage to embrace Hillary Clinton via tremulous manifestoes of gal power that have startlingly exposed the sentimental slackness of thought that made Gloria Steinem and company wear out their welcome in the first place. Hillary’s gonads must be sending out sci-fi rays that paralyze the paleo-feminist mind — because her career, attached to her husband’s flapping coattails, has sure been heavy on striking pious attitudes but ultra-light on concrete achievements.
Camille rocks even though sometimes she’s big on the overthinking. If I had had liberal professors like her I wouldn’t have minded a bit I don’t think.
That was bathos. It’s in my A Glossary Of Literary Terms book. They always use T.S. Eliot as an example. The etherized guy. Yup. Bathos. That’s what that was. It’s gone now.
Oh hey. Mr. Reynolds just linked this. It’s on point with the Camille I think, but it also makes the whole thing seem kind of stale.
euros weigh in
hilary is on the back foot
wat does that mean exactly?
I think it’s a fencing thing. Jeff would know.
The only thing left to do is watch Hillary’s calves melt as she sinks into a expanding pool of witch’s stew. I’ve seen a couple of movies just like this one; I know how it ends.
I’ll take a low, long bow. I called Obama’s inevitability at The Cackle. Obama took it from The Cackle onward. Hillary’s cackle moment, people, proved she was truly a wicked witch.
Saturday morning, at the practice range before Tiger’s third round at Augusta, with the cameras clicking, the sports reporters jostling, Tiger looks up and announces (from my memory) – I’m not here to play Colin Montgomery. I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to win.
At age 21, Tiger goes on to win The Masters by the largest margin in history.
When Obama responded “and I look forward to asking your advice on foreign policy” after Hillary cackled, she stood there and, with what could only be described as total void of wit and presence, let out another cackle. Post-cackle, Obama marches to the greatest upset in Democratic primary history.
You know it when you see it.
In a way I resent this. We’re talking about a future President of the United States. This isn’t an election campaign. It’s a f*ing game.
Neither one of those people has enough substance to show up on radar. Neither one of them has ever shown enough administrative experience to manage the McDonalds in Mt. Pleasant, Texas. They are candidates, and candidates only — they can run for office, but neither one of them has shown any teeniest glimmer of a hint of a clue that they can do the work.
Even discounting my personal distaste for Hillary!, that would lean me toward Obama. The guy’s a cardboard cutout with all the proper labels; if he were elected it would take him half a year to find the washroom off the Oval Office, let alone figure out how to run the Government. The chance of him actually being able to impose any of the reforms he proposes is zip, zero, nada. Yes, he’s a barely concealed telephone-booth Socialist, anxious to rip off the concealing Mild Mannered Candidate outfit and show his true colors, but powers? — it is to laugh. If he did any real damage it would be purely by accident. Hillary! is just as empty where it counts, but unlike Obama she not only knows where bodies are buried, she has GPS plots and videos of the interments; she would hit the ground running, and the sheer nastiness when she found out her pets wouldn’t fly would be overwhelming. Think Pelosi plus Reid, squared, with added acid. But still, we’re in G. Stein territory — there’s not only no there there, there isn’t any there anywhere in the neighborhood, either.
So it makes sense to treat the whole contest between the two of them as a Massively Multiplayer Role Playing Game, and talk about hit points against particular opponents, life points picked up with the Power Jewels, roll a D20 for charisma and winning Texas gives you La Chingada Grande Ametralladora*. The Presidency isn’t a job, it’s a prize, the biggest power jewel there is anywhere, good for bragging rights anywhere on line. Do the job? Whatever for? They’ll just have to run for re-election. They can do that.
Regards,
Ric
* Spanish for “BFG”, I believe.
ooooh i lurved TS Eliot in highschool
“those are pearls that were his eyes” an all that.
fencing! of course!
i get it
i did that
epee was my weapon of choice
Oh. I loved T.S. Eliot in college.
oh ric locke
it is all a game
speech an thot an religion an government are all side-effects of the selfish genes
we are animal vectors for their parasitic evolution and replication.
;)
T. S. Eliot: Khalil Ghibran for people allergic to schmaltz.
Regards,
Ric
This isn’t an election campaign. It’s a f*ing game.
More of an marketing campaign, I would say. I wouldn’t mind so much if it were a game, especially if the rules required skills at least remotely related to those ultimately required by the job. I suppose being a master marketer is appropos on the domestic scene if the Executive is just to be a talking head facade for the machine, but that can’t be what they mean by progressive, can it?
Him and Yeats I always go back to. In college I made an argument about how I should be able to get my lit degree without any classes on Romantics or Victorians and the degree planner professor guy agreed. I wish I knew how to tell that story to where it was as funny as it really really was.
Mike Rowe was a QVC hack for awhile before Dirty Jobs. Maybe we should start a campaign for him in ’12.
More of an marketing campaign, I would say.
Exactly. Pandering for votes. The young vote – cheap college loans or tuition assistance, a constant democratic theme. Latino vote – Comprehensive immigration reform (?).
The list can go on and on.
Hillary is a master at the politics of personal expediency.
Latino vote – Comprehensive immigration reform (?).
Not so much is my sense. Comprehensive was so they could pass their parts and get the Rs to go along. Now they just will want their parts, but really, I kind of suspect that mostly the whole point was just to call Rs brown-haters. I don’t think they’re all that displeased with the status quo except maybe for the let’s send em all to college free part.
yeah, sure Ric…like MBA Bush was a serious leader? The guy had everything handed to him. Too lazy to be a manager of a MickyD’s or anything else. Only money he made was from family friends and politicos investing in the tax funded baseball team. All daddy’s connections. You should be ashamed for supporting a dickhd. like “our President”.
the only worry that I have about McCain is that he’ll be what Camille Paglia thinks he is…a mega maniac militarist. His respect for Teddy Roosevelt is close to what she’s warned us about. So I’ll be voting Democrat no matter which Democrat gets it. Not sure if I’d trust Paglia on anything but her warnings about McCain back in 2000 when the Press was gaga over him…resonates.
Don’t be spouting wingnut nonsense the current three potential Presidential candidates started from the ground up (McCain had his family military connections but considering his war wounds he was pretty down in that respect. Hillary was fairly middle class..but she’s fighting the glass ceiling. Obama? holy shit makes Abe Lincoln look like a plutocrat: Black And Poor. They’ve come a long way baby. If you looked at the current crop compared to the past….maybe you could smile at the ignorance of our current President and realize maybe Hope is around the corner? With any of them! They’re all better than what we got now.
Here’s my peace offering to our new Underpants Gnome Overlords:
Barack Obama! A Face In The Crowd!!!
You should be ashamed for supporting a dickhd. like “our Presidentâ€Â.
Sorry, I have no shame left. I used all mine up rooting for the Buffalo Bills in 4 consecutive Super Bowl losses.
Hillary was fairly middle class..but she’s fighting the glass ceiling.
datadave – That’s one of the dumbest things I’ve seen you write. We haven’t had a woman President, but she hasn’t appeared to have bumped into any ceiling elsewhere. Bill’s connections worked like magic in Arkansas in her law practice and his coattails got her the senate seat in New York. They’re independently wealthy because of their public service to boot.
You gotta stop trying to tap those sugar maples with your dick dave. It annoys the trees and chafes your skin.
that’s funnny man…yahooo…..now I feel ‘normal’ now that you know my special talent. Maybe Hillary’s my kind of gal. I always liked her look but maybe with all the lesbo gossip…she might just need a rock hard maple tapping kind of guy.
>fx=”eyes wide, eyebrows lifted”>What an absolutely amazing thing. </fx>
Hope is not around the corner. Hope is just off I-30, where US278 crosses it. It used to be where the Cotton Belt and the Louisiana&Northern crossed before they got to Texas, but it’s all part of BNSFABCDWOTMRR now. It’s a lousy place to stop for gas. They have good coffee at the Quick Stop where AR4 splits off 278, if you get there before 10 o’clock in the morning. After that it’s stale.
W was Governor of Texas, a job rather like herding cats… if the cats carried machine guns. He did reasonably well at it, not the best ever but nowhere near the worst (of course the bar is fairly low, there.) But… power and privilege gets you more power and privilege? Do tell. You got any other obscure laws of physics to talk about, like “things fall down” or “the Sun rises generally in the East”?
One of the things power and privilege definitely gets you is acquaintance with other people who have power and privilege — and, in general, serious experience and skills. Dammit, I voted for Bill Clinton the first time around, and one of the things that soured me on the SOB was the sheer flat incompetence and general asininity of the people around him and the folks he appointed to office. No, nobody knows how to be President until they get there — it’s probably the only job in the Universe that has to be taught by OJT. If I wanted real executive experience I’d be pushing Huckabee — Governor of Arkansas isn’t much, but running a Southern Baptist congregation takes skill. But dammit, you could have gone to the courthouse of any 20K-population county in the country, swept up the courthouse-hangers on, and come up with as good or better than anything Clinton had around him.
I don’t even know how many Cabinet secretaries there are. Who does Obama know who could run, say, Treasury? And it has to be people he knows and trusts, and who know and trust him. That’s why it’s called an Administration, a unit made of people with different skills but the same philosophy and goals, a team. You may not like what Cheney et. al. do, but you gotta admit they know what they’re doing. Who’s Obama gonna pick? Who does he know to pick? And Hillary! is worse, in a way — I would anticipate a Cabinet full of glass-ceiling-resenting women who will then proceed to demonstrate why the glass ceiling is there, and convince everyone it needs to be an inch thicker and reinforced with Lexan®
I don’t like John McCain. I never have, and don’t ever expect to start.
Oh, and BTW, I’ll be voting Democrat, too, for the first time since 1996. Texas is an open primary, and I’m gonna ask for the Democratic Party ballot and vote for Obama. With a little luck, that will give me the only pleasure I expect to experience out of this election: the opportunity to vote against Hillary! twice.
Regards,
Ric
sorry, I dumped on you, Rick.
basically the PW guys (and gals) crack me up and it’s getting to be an addiction. Time for an old time card machine next to the computer and me limiting it to maybe 10 hrs a week. *that’ll bring hope to many I am sure,
not sure if I agree about Clinton’s crowd. Many were pretty damned competent maybe too much so…for self aggrandizement. He balanced the books with their help for maybe 50 percent of his Presidency…a first in a long time.
The stuff about Lexan ceiling-ed women, man, that could get bitchy! I see mostly Bill’s people hanging w/ her and that’s really annoying to me. I guess Janet Reno’s gone now….bless her soul. But the others?
O. I got potty mouthed here and maybe I’ll give grudging respect to la herding of los gatos el Presidente a poco. n mi syn-taco es muy malo.
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love and peas and mucho gusto, g’nite hasta manana
Obama? holy shit makes Abe Lincoln look like a plutocrat: Black And Poor.
Yeah… “black and poor” … mama is white and Barry was raised by her and her parents in a decidedly upper middleclass white world in Hawaii
nice koolaid ya drinkin, DD
his coattails got her the senate seat in New York.
’cause, god knows, there wasn’t any room ’round front …*
(*stolen from Dennis Miller)
datadave,
Clinton balanced the books for the first time in a long time… just coincidentally with the arrival of the first GOP House in 40 years or so. And a gusher of dot-com bubble revenue.
Everyone else,
If Clinton is on the back foot, is Obama on the good foot?
that’s funnny man…yahooo…..now I feel ‘normal’ now that you know my special talent. Maybe Hillary’s my kind of gal. I always liked her look but maybe with all the lesbo gossip…she might just need a rock hard maple tapping kind of guy.
icka. super duper icka.
backfoot- also used in boxing.
Hillary is from Park Ridge. Upper middle class liberal elitist from Main South High School. Even for PR her house was huge.
i fenced in college an we never said that
parry quatre!
parry huit!
engage!
but fencing is all about forward impulsion…..so it cud be tru
You know Perry Hewitt?
Hillary still has the Asian dishwasher demo wrapped up, right?
That’s just icky.
An applet a day keeps coherence away.
— Perry Hewitt
I guess it’s not the soccer playing guy in Brit.
good points. Darleen,,,, just “Barry’s” profile of being so wacked out of the mainstream for what “experts” consider the prescribed proper upbringing gives Obama an edginess not seen before.
Other points are well taken…thx.
I am tired of the media running the campaign. If people could make their won decisions without the daily news telling them who is “the one of the day” to vote for, then maybe, people would have to use their brains and read to find out who best suits them. There are too many stupid followers in this country who base their decisions on who made the news that day!! Obama gets the attention, so, he wins?? Come on, people??? Get a brain and read. Obama will promise you the winning of the lottery and make you feel “politically correct” if you vote for him?? His mother, who supposedly raised him, is white. So why, unless it benefits him, does he “choose” to run as the “first black” candidate? He refutes all of the negative media about his upbringing as a Muslim (which his real father and step father were) and his schooling there, yet, runs as a “black” American? One must wonder how his mother feels about that. Has anyone ever seen HER yet? Then, WHO, was his “mentor”/religious” influence growing up?? He cries for the poor, yet, he lead a very rich, affluent life in private schools? Why are balck people not reading about him and questioning this??
Cathi, that’s what happens when people decide to place a higher value on “electability” than on anything of substance. “Electability” is a constantly moving target — the moving goalpost to end all moving goalposts.
That’s how the Republicans ended up with McCain.
Why are white men so threatened by a woman?? Any man who has a wife/mother knows that she would be the first to get us/our kids out of this utterly stupid, Republican-fed oil war and, finally, clip some “coupons”, and balance the debt for most Americans…no offense, but, a woman, any woman, is more likely to get us out of debt and war than ANY man!!
SEXIST!!! Also, RACIST!!! (for the “white men” crack)
Seriously, did you know Margaret Thatcher (Falklands War) is a woman? So was Golda Meir (Israel-Palestine conflicts).
You could look it up.
…a woman, any woman, is more likely to get us out of debt…
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
For certain, non-standard values of “debt.”
Dear McGehee…
That is so male…..football acronyms/need for control/violence in getting their way is what put us in the state we are in right now…The “win at all costs” ego we have lived with in George Bush. We all should have known the minute the idiot was running that his “goal” was to get Saddam Hussein…because he had to do it for “Daddy”…Maybe his Mommy should have stepped in and had a talk with him….Meanwhile, the “Mooney Republicans” voted for him on his name and party alone….and then??? Who knows what people could have possibly have been thinking by voting for him a “second” time? It blows my mind…and makes me feel such remorse for people who choose “party” over independent thought, which is supposed to be what “Americans” are all about?? I sure hope that my sons continue their independent thinking… we talk about all ideals and candidates and let our kids read, think about it, and discourage TV as their influence.
the “white” men opposing Hillary was not my opinion. That comment was based on what all of the media and the initial article here, at the top, stated.
and makes me feel such remorse for people who choose “party†over independent thought,
Cathi – Do you even know any of these people you conjure up in your mind? Can you explain the Oil fed war to us please? Are we getting any Iraqi oil? If not, why not, they are exporting it?
Do you have any citations to back up you assertions about women getting us out of debt and war or was that just a burst of moonbat vomit?
Cathy – you clealy have never met either my better half, or my daughter. Are you fucking kidding me?! An 8 month pregnant woman could nuke someone for simply breathing.
And debt, don’t talk to me about debt Cathi. My wife melts credit cards from overuse as a hobby.
Cath – Thanx. That was some seriously good moonbat parody.
Ric, yes it is all a game and that’s the problem. If it weren’t a game Sen. Clinton would not be able to tout 35 years of experience without anyone questioning her. If it weren’t a game Bush would not be president. I do take exception with Sen. Obama. I’m sure that the folks at Harvard would argue that someone who graduates from their Law school magna cum laude and becomes editor of their Law Review is more than competent. And can, as you say find their way to the washroom of the Oval Office. I don’t know about you but I have yet to find one of my professors in grad school that was less than competent. And so as a professor of constitutional law he must be at least that. Nothing can really prepare a person to be the president of the united states. 20 years in the Senate cannot even do it. As a matter of fact, I would find that more of a detriment than an advantage — Washington tends to corrupt, the longer a person stays the more corrupt they become. Sen. Obama is our only hope as the least corrupted President in a long time, and quite possibly one of the most brilliant.
Why do you assume not caring for someone’s politics is a matter of being “threatened”? Why do you assume it’s a matter of violence?
Dude, the guy’s a Chicago pol — corruption is a given — and being able to make pretty speeches does not make him “brilliant”.
“Mike Rowe was a QVC hack for awhile before Dirty Jobs. Maybe we should start a campaign for him in ‘12.”
Works for me. He has more on the job experience than the whole lot out there now. I like a guy not afraid to get all dirty. I do at work too but I’m not going on camera. That takes some guts and humor.
I am not sure which is more funny, Cathi or thw loonwaffle telling us that Barry O has the best experience (none) to be Preisdent, and is brilliant because he reads a speech well.
Yah. Obama edited the Law Review — and produced what is universally considered the weakest issue of it evah. He didn’t even publish his own dissertation. This impresses me.
Not.
It’s enough to make me long for the days of cynical backroom deals. When they make me King, conventions will be scheduled for no earlier than August (September if they piss me off enough) and anybody proposing, scheduling, or participating in a primary or “caucus” before then will be subject to summary execution.
Regards,
Ric
>summarily executed…
…by firing squad. At dawn. Against an east-facing wall, so the sun’s in their eyes.
Regards,
Ric
…by firing squad.
Well that’s cool. We can’t hang them anymore, though, because nooses are racist.
Sen. Obama is our only hope as the least corrupted President in a long time, and quite possibly one of the most brilliant.
I thought Luap Nor was our only hope. Oh well, in either case, we are definitely not worthy.
Bow down, mortals!
Well, at least you’re humane; it’d be lots more amusing if the sun was in the firing squad’s eyes, though: Who knows what they might hit?…
(See, that’s your problem, Ric; you’re not eeeevil enough….)
Sen. Obama is our only hope as the least corrupted President in a long time, and quite possibly one of the most brilliant.
This stands out amongst a sea of stupidity. It ranks up there with Cathi stating that women would not have started wars, would end existing wars, and would never run up debt.
nightie bedpan – You have some competition now. These loonwaffles just went way over the top on your efforts at being the most loonie commenter the last few days. datadave doesn’t count – he is not well.
Rob, presumptuous to think that I’m a dude. He is not brilliant because he is a great orator. He is brilliant because God made him that way. I’ve read both of his books, and while I read the last one — I kept saying this is so simple, why can’t others see this? It’s truly not that complicated. It doesn’t take nuclear physicist to figure it out. To get the economy moving you have to invest in education and innovation. To balance the budget you either have to make more money or spend less. To get things done you have to stop bickering like trite middle school children, find a common ground and get the stuff done. NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. So then you look at the other attributes, the ability to rally support or gain consensus, the ability to make sound decisions in the midst of ambiguity, the conviction to say what you mean and mean what you say. All of these attributes belong to Obama alone. These are the attributes of a leader. We don’t need people who say “yeah i voted for it but i’m glad it didn’t pass” or “we’ll might be in Iraq 100, 1000, or 10000 years.” We don’t need people who say “he’s making back door deals, you need to check out the energy bill he tried to pass” but fail to mention that they co-sponsored the bill. We don’t need a person who is the party leader simply because his opponents were weak and he was the strongest of the weak. I’m tired of voting for the lesser of the evils. The movement that you’re seeing is not some drug induced haze that might be found at a grateful dead concert. The movement that you are seeing is a deep hunger for something that is substantial and honest. Something that is not the same song, sung by a different singer. No one came out to vote before because there was very little difference between the candidates. The sad part about it is the only thing unique that Hillary can tout is her gender – otherwise it’s business as usual. I’ve read just about every interview that Obama has ever done and I’ve heard him say things that I’ve NEVER heard politicians say before. For instance: on gun control and inner city violence: he writes that he will not ‘take away guns’, the gangbangers walking around with guns did not get them from gun stores. They’re being sold out of the back of vans and trucks — who is the source, that’s what we need to find out. And cut off the supply from the source. Secondly, if we invested in our schools, infrastructure, and innovation, these youngsters would have opportunities that would eliminate the attraction of being in a gang.
As a person that works with disenfranchised youth — I provide internships for kids who are failing in school. I teach them life skills, video and film production as well as entrepreneurship – I can say that he is absolutely correct. My kids, the so-called at risk kids have brought up their GPA to a respectable level and over 1/2 are or will be attending college!! IT’S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
Well, one thing Obama knows about is paragraph breaks. Perhaps you should follow him in that TUR.
Also, the only one who can save us is Obi Wan. Duh!
JD — we should refrain from name calling. However, if you are naive enough to believe that at least Hillary (I haven’t done my research on McCain) is not one of the most corrupt people, along with her husband, in Washington then you need to stop writing and go start reading.
Here’s a bit of what’s been written about her by the people who worked for her. “Where is the G*d@mn f**king flag? I want the G-d@mn f**king flag up every f**king morning at f**king sunrise.”
– Hillary to the staff at the Arkansas Governor’s mansion on Labor Day, 1991 (Inside The White House by Ronald Kessler, p. 244 )
“F*#k off! It’s enough that I have to see you sh#t-kickers every day, I’m not going to talk to you too!! Just do your G*d@mn job and keep your mouth shut.”
– Hillary to her State Trooper bodyguards after one of them greeted her with “Good morning.” (American Evita by Christopher Anderson, p.90)
“If you want to remain on this detail, get your f**king @$$ over here and grab those bags!”
– Hillary to a Secret Service Agent who was reluctant to carry her luggage because he wanted to keep his hands free in case of an incident. Many other instances like this! (The First Partner by Joyce Milton, p.259 )
“Where’s the miserable c*ck s*cker?”
– Hillary shouting at a Secret Service officer (The Truth About Hillary by Edward Klein, p.5 )
“Put this on the ground! I left my sunglasses in the limo. I need those sunglasses. We need to go back!”
– Hillary to Marine One helicopter pilot to turn back while en route to Air Force One (Dereliction of Duty by Clinton military aide Robert Patterson p. 71-72)
“Stay the f**k back, stay the f**k away from me! Don’t come within ten yards of me, or else! Just f**king do as I say, okay!!!?”
– Hillary screaming at her Secret Service detail (Unlimited Access, by Clinton FBI Agent in Charge Gary Aldrige, p.139)
“You know, I’m going to start thanking the woman who cleans the restroom in the building I work in. I’m going to start thinking of her as a human being.”
But she’s looking out for the little people right? * Whitewater, * Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan, * Rose Law Firm, * 1000% profit Cattle Futures, * Castle Grande, * The McDougals, * Web Hubbell, * Tyson Foods, * Lippo Group, * Vince Foster, * David Hale, * Paula Jones, * Jim Guy Tucker,* Chinagate, * James Riady, * Mike Espy, * Billy Dale, * John Huang, * Ron Brown, * “No controlling legal authority,” * FBI filegate, * Missing subpoenaed Rose Law firm files reappear in White House, * Charlie Trie, * Bruce Babbitt, * Maria Hsia, * Kathleen Willey, * Sidney Blumenthal, * Vernon Jordan, * Juanita Broderick, * Pardongate, * Marc Rich.
Need I say more? See above post for my opinion on his brilliance.
All of these attributes belong to Obama alone.
Show me where he has done any of the things that preceded this phrase and I will consider supporting him.
sure, much better to vote, “I was here, but didn’t want to make a decision either way”
oh, and vote for me so I can make important executive decisions.
Women aren’t violent or start wars?
Bodicea. Isabella of Castille. Maria Theresa. Catherine the Great. Elizabeth I. Mary Tudor. Mary Queen of Scots. Indira Ghandi. Joan of Arc. Lucrecia Borgia.
The list of history goes on and on.
the ability to rally support or gain consensus
1. look at the movement that he has created out of obscurity
2. he was able to get health insurance for the uninsured in Illinois even though the GOP at first did not support it
3. He was able to pass racial profiling laws in Illinois, again, when the GOP did not support
4. He was able to get pass ethics bills in the Senate by getting the GOP involved
5. He was able to change the rules re: confessions for capital cases once he learned of how many innocents were on deathrow. (you know this was a slap in the face of the current admin.)
the ability to make sound decisions in the midst of ambiguity
Hillary stated “if I knew then what i know now”, well all of us can say that. But as an entrepreneur I have to make decisions everyday without all of the necessary information, I have to make sound and wise decisions. Moreover, if I do make a mistake I have to be willing to admit when I’m wrong, learn from it, adjust and move forward. Hillary has yet to admit that she was wrong about the war and/or trusting Bush’s judgment. Obama knew it was wrong from the beginning that it was based on faulty logic. And sure enough we went from the hunt for WMDs to liberating Iraq to the war on terror. He made a sound decision in the midst of ambiguity.
The conviction to say what you mean and mean what you say – when he made that decision to oppose the war, he was running for office himself, he never backed down from his stance he stayed convicted even though it was unpopular. (if you remember people were getting labeled unpatriotic if you opposed the war) He stayed convicted on the ethics bills. The powers that be don’t want transparency in the government, then we’ll know, that they don’t know what the heck they’re doing. Or they do know what they’re doing and they don’t care. He had a terrible struggle getting the rules changed on videotaping confessions for capital cases, again it wasn’t popular it could’ve been political suicide is what I read in the Chicago Trib.
I can get you more if you need it.
Maggie, Obama voted present 100-130 times out of 4000. That’s 1/3 of 1%. One third of one percent — LESS THAN 1% OF THE TIME. 0.03% Check out other’s voting records, I’m sure you will not see the same ratios.
And Illinois is *such* a GOP-dominated state!
Huh. And here I thought Hillary’s husband was the one that signed the law making it US policy to remove Saddam. Well, we all know she should never trust *HIS* judgement!
No, he didn’t. He made the easy decision, as he comes from a liberal section of a liberal state.
And, most importantly, he decided *incorrectly*.
What? You think he decided correctly? Interesting — almost as if people have made different judgments. I wonder how Obama’s “get things done by getting things done” will do when it runs into people who disagree with what he wants to get done…
you have a citation?
I’m sorry Rob, last I check Bill Clinton wasn’t on the ticket. Why is he even mentioned – unless that’s part of Hillary’s experience. Obviously we have a fundamental difference in opinion. I don’t like to label. But I believe the war in Iraq is wrong, for no other reason but that we were lied to. They were not an imminent threat, and in the mean time Bush has all but for gotten about bin Laden.
What gives America the right to enforce its will on the planet is beyond me. It is that kind of arrogance that has gotten us into the situation that we’re in. It’s truly that simple. We’ve drawn lines across the globe where they don’t belong and have caused more civil/tribal wars then ever. We’ve no respect for other’s cultures or customs and we look down on anyone that does not embrace not only our beliefs but our supposed superiority. If we keep down this road we won’t have to worry about who’s president, because we’ll be too busy worrying about who’s going to attack us next. I will not operate out of a spirit of fear. 2 Timothy 1:7
As far as getting things done, look at the Republicans who have come out publicly to support him. I’ve heard lots of theories about this.
1. they’re only doing it because they know they can beat him so they want him instead of Hillary — this is just more of the games that the previous writers wrote about which if this is the case it gives me all the more reason to be the cynical apathetic so and so that I’ve always been.
2. they believe he is the real deal.
Maggie, i’m going by the numbers that his opponents have quoted. Obama said in the debate it was out of 4000 and no one has disputed him, even when all of the news agencies did their “fact checks”
so then you’d have a link perhaps?
well, this is one of your problems. it wasn’t American will. it was the enforcement of a cease fire and at least 14 U.N. resolutions. the reason Bill Clinton is brought up is because he signed off on the policy of Iraqi regime change and thought Sadaam was enough of a threat to at least send some missiles his way in 1998.
Told you so Himself, did He?
Or did He do it because you told Him to?
Maggie, i’m speaking in general terms about enforcing our will, not specific. Looking back at least to the beginning of the last century when we imported opium into China in order to gain control of their resources and pacify their people through to setting up puppet govt/dictatorships that then commit genocide on their people (Camboida for e.g.)through to today where we decided to over throw Sadaam and the reason given WAS A LIE. If he would’ve just told the truth, but he didn’t and he has yet to admit it. Just like Bill and monica. JUST ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG or THAT YOU LIED. I for one, have much more respect for the courage to admit one’s mistakes, then to put lies on top of lies on top of lies…
if i can find a link i’ll show you. the info’s out there just google it.
To get the economy moving you have to invest in education and innovation.
Let’s start small. Show me where he was the leading force in investing in education and innovation, and that it lead to getting the economy moving.
I can make claims all day long, but claiming alone doesn’t make it true.
TUR – We will count on your not-Hill/Bill vote in the general election then. Still waiting for you to quantify how BRILLIANT he is. I will not hold my breath, because it seems to be some endless feedback loop with people like you – Barry O says what I like to hear, therefore, Barry O is brilliant. A Chicago machine politician with backing from the Daley machine, and whose political mentor has already been indicted is NOT clean, no matter how loudly you screech that.
100-130 present votes is 99-129 too many, for a LEADER. These were calculated to allow him to be the political chameleon that he is. And you are just dumb enough to buy it. No wonder he seems brilliant to you.
All those things you claim he did in spite of lack of GOP support are meaningless. The fucking Dems control both chambers in IL and there is a corrupt Dem Gov.
Quit drinking the KoolAid.
Maggie, Obama voted present 100-130 times out of 4000. That’s 1/3 of 1%. One third of one percent  LESS THAN 1% OF THE TIME. 0.03% Check out other’s voting records, I’m sure you will not see the same ratios.
I’m thinking your revolution should include free calculators.
Lack of dispute is proof of veracity, maggie. Jeeeeeeeesh.
JUST ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG or THAT YOU LIED – That does it. All caps win me over every time. Well done.
Education Guy – Good luck. The silence will be deafening.
You know what TUR, nevermind. I still may end up supporting Obama. I find it doubtful, but I really don’t know who I’m going to support at this point. That said, this –
Looking back at least to the beginning of the last century when we imported opium into China in order to gain control of their resources and pacify their people through to setting up puppet govt/dictatorships that then commit genocide on their people (Camboida for e.g.)through to today where we decided to over throw Sadaam and the reason given WAS A LIE.
Is just too much concentrated crazy for me to get involved with.
the U.N. lied about Sadaam not complying with the inspection program? I’m confused.
well, yeah EG, but I’m avoiding work today and hopped up on Valentine’s cupcakes.
2.5%-3.25% of the time Barry O was unwilling to take any position on a difficult issue. Their new campaign slogan should be : Leadership – 96.75-97.5% of the time.
It doesn’t take nuclear physicist to figure it out. To get the economy moving you have to invest in education and innovation.
The economy grows when capital is available for successful business to expand and create jobs and more wealth. The need for an educated work force is a result of economic growth, not the cause.
To balance the budget you either have to make more money or spend less. To get things done you have to stop bickering like trite middle school children, find a common ground and get the stuff done…
So what parts of the budget is he planning to cut? How is he planning to increase revenue? How is he going to keep everybody happy while he is doing this? Where is this common ground?
The movement that you are seeing is a deep hunger for something that is substantial and honest.
See, that is the problem. The substance you refer to in the second statement is not apparent in the first two, nor in any of Obama’s speeches. I hear many goals mentioned, but no plans.
So Obama voted “present” 3.25% of the time. THAT’S 1/4 MORE THAN 3%. .03 (not .03%)
JD,
How many votes out of 100 in the Illinois legislature are of the utmost importance and how many are pretty much the typical Pelosi-style bullshit? I’d take a guess at 3 out of 100 are important. That’s 3%. THAT’S LESS THAN 4% BUT MORE THAN 2%. That’s .03.
Dammit JD, never mind.
I wonder if we could get Obama to appoint Ron Paul as Veep.
The zeal of the supporters sure matches.
Regards,
Ric
If we are going to be generous, al, 20% of the actual votes are important, or substantive. With their numbers, that would account for 800 votes. Therefore, 100-130 present votes are around 12.5-16.25%.
Leadership – so long as we are not dealing with any issues that may cause me political problems in the future.
Obama / Paul in ’08 ! Are you trying to kill me?
I’d vote “present” on the dildo thing. If there was going to be a show after.
look at the movement that he has created out of obscurity
TUR – I usually create one of those movements out of obscurity every day. Do you want me to save the next one before flushing. They’re usually better looking than Obama’s platform. WE WILL TAX OUR WAY TO GREATNESS!!!!11!!!1 OMG – Everybody will be motivated by that message.
Pennsylvania, stand up and show your governor that white people in America’s 2008 are NOT racist and WILL vote OBAMA into the presidency.
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You’ll be taken more seriously if you’re grasp of history was more accurate.
The British introduced opium to China.
JD, all I’m doing is noting the similarity in supporter demographics.
The enthusiastic Messianism, the total lack of substance, the breathless citation of nonsense in support, even the inability to find the [ENTER] key or the comma. Same bunch. They ought to get along like a house afire. Even the few policies their candidates espouse have a lot in common once you get past the nouns.
Regards,
Ric
I was enjoying TUR. That was some serious Jim Jones stuff going on there. All for a guy not qualified to hold my boss’ position. And someone that found 100-130 votes too difficult to take any position on. In his legislative career, that is almost twice a month! But, all will be better if we would just tax successful people EVEN MORE than we already do. I truly fear for us if we elect this cult leader. Fuck. Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods are more competent and qualified. They have actually been successful at something.
Be of good cheer, JD. Even if by some chance he does get in, the likelihood of his actually being able to implement anything is close to zero. It’s as close as we’re likely to get to the Libertarian ballot proposal: “None of the above is acceptable. Leave the office vacant until the next election.”
Regards,
Ric
heh, according to this Obama has missed over a third of votes during the 110th Congress. but guess who beats him?
Kee-Rist! Ole Sparky barely beat friggin Tim Johnson! That is disgraceful!
Rumor has it that the Post was going to leave Johnson off the list and Johnny Mac said, “Fuck that!! That’s bullshit! He missed 66%!”
uh, Cathi, she’s dead. (woulda addressed this earlier, but I don’t go searching while at work, and now I’ve seen this ad twice in the last fave minutes. nice.)
al, you’re killin’ me. :D
Well, JD, to be fair he was making some killer deals in Chicago real estate. Who has time to represent. There’s deals to be made!
damn, six o’clock news….. third Obama ad running. Hillary is keeping pace with 2 so far….
oh, fourth time! she had cancer!
Hillary’s mom is still alive. No tumors I don’t think or anything. What an awful mother.
TUR —
TUR —
OMG!! It’s ROSIE O’DONNELL!!!
Challeron…I was thinking the same thing, but surely, this TUR is a proud black woman. I work with enough of them to realize that it is racism, pure and simple. He’s half black, so you have to vote for him. I’m not sure why people come on this site and try to sell Obama to us. Ric, as usual, is correct that Obama won’t be able to get a fraction of his agenda implemented, so he is a rather harmless little guy, but as a classical liberal or conservative, what could Obama possibly offer? Hope? Bullshit, that comes from within. Change? Fuck that. He’s a pol. He sold his soul long ago. It’d be interesting, though, to see nishi get together with TUR, and discuss the whole God not god thing.
Maggie – thought i’d forgotten…http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/20/us/politics/20obama.html 130 times out of 4000 – still = 0.03 alppuccino.
and whoever made the comment that 0.03 is still to many non votes for a leader — then i guess no one who is running is fit to be a leader. Sen. Clinton on the three areas that i looked at (i got tired of counting) had 33% no votes on abortion issues. 50% non votes on agricultural issues and 30% non votes on budgeting issues.
No God did not tell me Barack was brilliant. I just know that any gifts we have come from God…therefore…
Let me tell you what BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA has done already. As I said previously I work with kids, not just any kids, but disadvantaged what folks call “at-risk” kids. You know, the underdogs. Barack’s campaign and his message have had a positive affect on my kids. Grades have gone up as well as attendance. I’ve heard them talking about him in the halls “shoot if Obama can be president so can I”. If Hillary wins fair and square – people will go back to their lives and things will remain on the same course. If we get into some weird superdelegate thing — it will be ugly. The kids will become even more cynical then they already are, if that’s possible. If he wins…the sky’s the limit.
read this: http://www.unionleader.com/article.aspx?headline=Paul+B.+Hertneky%3a+Let%27s+compare+the+public+accomplishments+of+Clinton+and+Obama&articleId=11dc4bb6-bc19-4f73-97a4-400fbd3dad27
It starts off: INSTEAD OF COMPARING Hillary Clinton’s and Barack Obama’s experience — a vague set of claims — I turned my attention toward accomplishments. Not what they’ve accomplished for themselves, but what they’ve accomplished for others
TUR – Educate yourself on the difference between missing a vote, and voting present.
Barack makes kids get better grades and makes attendance better! And puppies! Kites! Kittens! He makes me better looking too. And richer. Oops, wrong. He will be taking lots more of my money. He does not seem to have much of an impact on TUR’s critical thinking skills either.
BTW – Nice excuse on that comparison of experience thingie there. Seeing as though Baracky has less experience than even the Silky Pony, I can see why you would avoid comparisons of experience.
You want to talk about Hillary Experience? then lets: if she were elected president than she will have had 8 year as an elected official, Barack will have had 12.
However she being the feminist that she is she counts her years riding her husband’s coat tails, so let’s revisit, shall we?
* They did indeed leave the office with a surplus, but that’s not always good – not for a government.
o What programs could have been reinstated from the Reagan/Bush era that were not?!?
* The economy was good for the most part because of Silicon Valley and the PC/internet boom – tell me one initiative that Bill took to instigate this boom. I looked I found nothing. Gore claims to have invented the internet – but he’s not on trial here so I’ll leave him out of it. I kinda like him just had a bad running mate
* They had an opportunity to pass health care reform – FAILED
* They had an opportunity to reform immigration – FAILED
* They had an opportunity to make sure that Social Security and Medicare were sustainable – FAILED
* They had an opportunity to institute an energy plan – FAILED
THEY FAILED ON ALL COUNTS and now they want 8 more years?!?!?
What kind of experience is Hillary talking about? THE EXPERIENCE OF FAILURE?
Besides the fact that if she wants to run an “experience” campaign. How is she going to out-experience McCain?!?
Didn’t read any comments regarding her treatment of “the little people”. You can tell about a persons character by how they treat the people who work for them, what they do when the camera are off. Those quotes are not made up, they’re apparently from Hillary’s mouth. I’ve heard of no lawsuits of slander. However, there is a law suit pending regarding campaign contribution fraud. Have y’all heard? Is this what we want 8 more years of gates?
Any comments about the article that I posted from the UnionLeader?
pardon my grammar – it sucked :)
Obama must win – for teh children!
Baracky offers speeches, Hillary offers solutions. It’s just how it is cause he’s not very substantive. Kind of a lightweight I guess you’d say.
TUR – Are you trying to convince us that Hill/Bill would not be good? If so, rest assured that you are preaching to the choir. Problem for you is that Barry O admin is likely to be worse. To assert that Barry O is more qualified that anyone other than the local dog catcher is laughable.
Also Baracky is kind of patronizing with his hopey hope and changey change. You have to wonder if he ever stops to listen to himself.
Hint, TUR. Some of Hillary’s failures that you listed are considered good things around here.
I am interested in your idea that a surplus is a bad thing for a government. I agree, but I suspect for reasons completely opposite to yours.
If I do not feel like going to work tomorrow, can I just blame Baracky?
It’s not patronizing – unless you are a cynic. My world is obviously much different than yours. I see things differently. I don’t believe in shoot first ask questions later. Because usually they’re shooting at someone who looks like me. Bush/Cheney/McCain believe that might makes right. If you don’t agree force them to agree. It is an arrogant stance. JD I hope you’re being facetious or I guess the people of Illinois are just raving idiots and you my friend are the keeper of all knowledge. He did by the way get those law passed when the Dems were in the minority — as I said. Is full 20-50 page plans for all of the major issues are on his website, should you care to peruse.
I don’t think any of you have to worry, though. I don’t believe this country will allow him to become president — even if this were 8 years from now. America is not ready for Barack Hussein Obama, but I believe he is definitely ready to lead. I will leave you with this quote, “His immediate effect on international relations could be dramatic: a black president, partly brought up in a Muslim country, would transform America’s image. And his youthful optimism could work at home too. After the bitterness of the Bush years, America needs a dose of unity: Mr Obama has a rare ability to deliver it. And the power of charisma should not be underrated, especially in the context of the American presidency which is, constitutionally, quite a weak office. The best presidents are like magnets below a piece of paper, invisibly aligning iron filings into a new pattern of their making. Anyone can get experts to produce policy papers. The trick is to forge consensus to get those policies enacted.”
There’s a difference between being a cynic and being able to go to a grocery store and not leave with every item that says NEW! or IMPROVED! on it. Sheesh.
The British introduced opium to China.
minor correction…Opium was practically invented by the Chinese as a habitual pleasure drug and was a problem before the British took over the market with Indian imported opium through superior force of arms….taking advantage with a long time trade already there which was regulated by the Chinese government somewhat ineffectively. The Chinese were forced into the infamous ‘unequal treaties with Britain, France and USA. However, Rusty’s right about a fact that the Americans agreed to not involve themselves in opium but modern Chinese think all of the Westerners (unequal treaties w/ USA, Britain and France) were culpable in Chinese weakness during 19th Century…so in spirit of modern history both have points on this issue.
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I don’t think any of you have to worry, though. I don’t believe this country will allow him to become president  even if this were 8 years from now.
I share Obama’s pain. America has yet to allow me to be President, to wear the blue blazer!, and I think we all know why. America fear its midget sons and daughters. Napoleonic prejudices of the past historic!
America’s oval office door suffers many levels of intractibility. If the U.S. can land a man on the moon you’d think it could lower the door handles in its halls or power. But no!! Not even a weather sealed doggie door. mIdGT hAtn B-A-S-T-A-R-D-S
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That euphoria will last till their parents get their new democratic tax bill.
TUR – Fact check time … When was the last time the Dems were the minority in the IL House and Senate? Hint. Pate Philip and Lee Daniel.
FWIW. searching for hope in the words of a politicianis an absolute recipe for disappointment.
Really? How do you know this? What’s the evidence?
I mean, we *are* talking about a Republican administration that crafted an educational policy with the assistance of Ted Kennedy, that did its level best to work within the UN to enforce the UN’s own resolutions, that crafted an international coalition to go into Afghanistan, then another one to go into Iraq, and put together multi-party talks to deal with North Korea. For a group that supposedly believes in strong-arming everyone, they sure do a lot of talking.
Oh, and they keep trying to start the “peace process” to force the Israelis to concede, rather than simply forcing the Paleos to give up their genocidal
dreams. Again, doesn’t sound like a group that believes “might makes right”.
So I guess it’s not surprising that you’ve fallen for a shallow message like the one Obama’s peddling; you’ve bought into the equally shallow propaganda attacking the Bush administration.
Now, if we’d all just get in line, like inanimate objects obeying the forces of nature!
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Opium was used for medicinal purposes!!!!!!!!!