It’s not here anymore. Yeah, I killed it. Why? Because I received an e-mail from a Newspaper Reporter/Blogger telling me that they’re doing a investigative piece on Michelle Malkin. She didn’t want Malkin playing the victim card. So, it’s gone.
If she’d been just a run of the mill Blogger, I would have told her to get bent… But she’s a reporter, She writes for a living. (lucky bastard!
) So, out of respect. I removed the article.
So, there’s the real reason.
so, everyone quit e-mailing me! Please!
I’m at a public computer now. Can someone get a screen cap of that for me?
UPDATE: For some amusement, you can follow Chuck’s ongoing “dialogue” with his former church, available at his site. Live cap at Moron Pundit’s.
Bob Owens: TNR interviewed Beauchamp over a month ago, haven’t reported the results of that interview.
Comment by mojo on 10/9 @ 1:52 pm #
Gosh, a real Newspaper Reporter? Wow, even I am impressed! Did yopu get an autograph, Spanky? How about a name?
Comment by SondraK on 10/9 @ 2:01 pm #
I have it, Dan. I just don’t have your e-mail.
FWIW, Chuckie’s a sociopath.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 2:03 pm #
Thanks, Sondra: croolwurld at earthlink.net
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 2:03 pm #
Newspaper Reporter/Blogger telling me that they’re doing a investigative piece on Michelle Malkin. She didn’t want Malkin playing the victim card. So, it’s gone.
Hmmm. Newspaper Reporter is directing the lefty blogger’s to kill posts? This sounds dubious at best.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 2:03 pm #
You might also want to send one to writemalkin at gmail.com.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 2:05 pm #
topsecretk9: I know it proves that my tastes are deplorably vitiated, but this is going to be hilarious.
Comment by Timothy S. Carlson on 10/9 @ 2:05 pm #
My god, that guy is such a puss. Selectively editing comments, deleting comments, and now just zapping the post without a link to the ‘explanation’ as to why it is gone.
All those who think he did it because a ‘real reporter’ contacted him? Anyone? Anyone?
Okay – all those who think it was a ‘real lawyer’ who contacted him, with threats of a lawsuit? Ah, thought so…
Comment by Jeffersonian on 10/9 @ 2:06 pm #
A “Newspaper Reporter/Blogger” is doing an “investigative piece on Michelle Malkin” and “She didn’t want Malkin playing the victim card”?
Anyone wanna bet we’re about to see that line the Left would never, ever cross get moved back a few hundred yards (again)?
Comment by Great Mencken's Ghost on 10/9 @ 2:07 pm #
A Newspaper Reporter/Blogger?! OMG, SCOTT BEAUMONT IS BACK!
Comment by Karl on 10/9 @ 2:09 pm #
For some reason, I’m picturing a sock-puppet in a tutu.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 2:12 pm #
Thanks for the screen cap, hf!
Comment by T-web on 10/9 @ 2:20 pm #
Hmmm. Newspaper Reporter is directing the lefty blogger’s to kill posts? This sounds dubious at best.
Yet strangely plausible at the same time.
Comment by Merovign on 10/9 @ 2:29 pm #
Jeffersonian:
If we’re talking about the same line, they cross that one so much it’s got a footbridge and traffic signs. Six lanes, handicap access, everything.
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 2:32 pm #
Hmmm. Newspaper Reporter is directing the lefty blogger’s to kill posts? This sounds dubious at best.
If by dubious you mean plausible, possible, or well within the realm of probability, then yes, it seems dubious to me as well.
Comment by topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 2:36 pm #
If by dubious you mean plausible, possible, or well within the realm of probability, then yes, it seems dubious to me as well.
OK, OK…alright. Dumb me. Townhouse Dan Froomkin?
Comment by Moron Pundit on 10/9 @ 2:37 pm #
There is a live cap on my site.
Comment by Rick on 10/9 @ 2:37 pm #
Perhaps it’s some far-left faux “newspaper” like In These Times.
Cordially…
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Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/9 @ 2:41 pm #
“Newspaper Reporter/Blogger telling me that they’re doing a investigative piece on Michelle Malkin. She didn’t want Malkin playing the victim card. So, it’s gone.”
Media Matters.
Trying for another smear.
Comment by N. O'Brain on 10/9 @ 2:45 pm #
THIS JUST IN (via Lucianne.com):
“RECORD CLOSE ON WALL STREET: DOW HITS 14,164, S&P TOPS 1,565″
Thank you, President Bush.
Comment by Techie on 10/9 @ 2:47 pm #
MM probably called them up herself, writing for the Freedonia Gazette.
Comment by Pablo on 10/9 @ 3:02 pm #
Is this Chuck the Detroit Populist schmuck again? That boy is dumb as a stump.
Comment by Squid on 10/9 @ 3:06 pm #
Seriously. You can always tell when Chuck’s on the 5:10 bus, because the 5:22 bus is packed.
Comment by psychologizer on 10/9 @ 3:17 pm #
investigative piece on Michelle Malkin
What the hell?
TELEVISION PERSONALITY IS SHORTER THAN SHE LOOKS ON TELEVISION
Backed by tiny Zionists, say critics
Comment by Moron Pundit on 10/9 @ 4:01 pm #
Can you believe how flattering that picture is? Heh… not that everyone doesn’t do it (I’m looking at you Allahpundit!)
Comment by Moron Pundit on 10/9 @ 4:33 pm #
Heh psychologizer… making up headlines for that story sounds like fun…
World To End Tomorrow: Women and Minorities Hardest Hit
Except Michelle Malkin
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 4:50 pm #
Remember that morning where we were talking about some young Ric Caric devotee and SEK stopped by and said maybe the poor kid could do something unfortunate? The more I read of this one guy and sort of reflect on his bio and such I wonder but that maybe he’s sort of like that too except older and less sort of sympathetic. I mean, I know for sure I would shun him socially, so I think maybe I would blogospherically as well.
I’m not helping really am I?
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 4:54 pm #
Yeah. Good times.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 4:58 pm #
Actually, this one seems more like the homicidal sort.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 5:00 pm #
I was going there too. I was thinking actually about that deputy kid in that Wisconsin place you go to sometimes, and this sort of resonated.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 5:02 pm #
Fucking Fife. I knew he was going to lose it one day.
Comment by Tony on 10/9 @ 5:02 pm #
At least he was honest about his intent to change the record for a sycophant in order to make the subject of their collective hatred look bad. At least he said it out loud.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 5:03 pm #
I know, but it’s still hilarious, Tony.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 5:05 pm #
Sssshhhhh. Be vewy qwiet. We’we hunting wabbits!
Comment by Moron Pundit on 10/9 @ 5:07 pm #
Here’s what I need to know. Do these people not realize that the words they type into their computers are publicly available all over the world?
Sometimes it is difficult to believe they do.
Comment by Tony on 10/9 @ 5:11 pm #
True. Which is nice.
What are the odds this guy even understands the irony? I would wager at this point he’s gonna have to keep up the ‘fightin’ man’ facade. Admit no wrong and the netroots will make your hit counter go upwards!!!
I’ll start up the popcorn.
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 5:12 pm #
I am usually not one to call for action, or be an activist of any type, but … I do believe that we should do whatever we can to ensure that TNR, Foer, and Beauchamp receive the very public dressing down that they deserve. TNR would like to let this one just slink away into the night, and we need to make sure that they are held to account for their actions.
Comment by Pablo on 10/9 @ 5:20 pm #
MP,
They believe they’ll only be read by their fellow travelers. And in many cases, they’re right. But this is one of those “Sunlight is the best disinfectant” moments.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 5:20 pm #
The longer this goes on, the more Foer own this one all by himself it seems to me. Scott’s not responsible for TNR’s integrity or credibility. Frankie? This is his legacy.
Comment by Tony on 10/9 @ 5:21 pm #
Oh and Dan, I am just being thankful, not critiquing your post at all (not sure if I came off weird, I usually do)…I can’t believe Adkins doesn’t realize that that’s what he’s done. He shoots himself in the foot and declares victory about it. Unbelievable!
Great catch, and screencap that baby before his brain comes back! I hear it pulling up the driveway!
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 5:22 pm #
It appears that Beauchamp has already copped to the truth, which is why we haven’t heard from Franklin Friggin’ Foer & company.
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 5:27 pm #
One month and counting … you should set up a reverse countdown clock.
I just wasted 20 minutes of my life reading Chuckies tirade about the temerity of a man of the cloth calling him on the telephone. Oh, the outrage. Good Allah, Chuckie has issues.
Comment by Pablo on 10/9 @ 5:28 pm #
Is that new, Dan? Linky? A post, perhaps?
Comment by Moron Pundit on 10/9 @ 5:28 pm #
Pablo,
It must really shock them when the wall comes down on the echo chamber and there’s thousands of normal people listening.
And that screen cap is now permanently hosted in the Google Cache.
Victory.
Comment by Pablo on 10/9 @ 5:30 pm #
MP,
The revolution will not be televised. But you’ll be able to find the blow by blow, with detailed analysis on the intertubes.
Stay tuned.
Comment by andy on 10/9 @ 5:33 pm #
““RECORD CLOSE ON WALL STREET: DOW HITS 14,164, S&P TOPS 1,565″
Thank you, President Bush.”
Is that in Canadian?
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 5:34 pm #
andy is back to drop its little turd-lets all over the place.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 5:35 pm #
Pablo–the link is in the Bob Owens update in the post.
Comment by mojo on 10/9 @ 5:42 pm #
Wilson: Gee, who to believe? Nice vest, by the way…
Hilly: “NEVER tell anyone outside the Family what you’re thinking!” roared Doña Clintoni at her cowering consigliari…
Comment by thor on 10/9 @ 5:43 pm #
Is the almighty Loonie is your master?
Comment by SEK on 10/9 @ 5:55 pm #
I’m confused: a blog publishes publicly available information — it took me all of thirteen seconds via Google — and there’s all this outrage everywhere? I mean, I’d understand if the information wasn’t available, but it seems more likely that a dolt who hated her and wanted her address would consult Google before the archives of some random blog. Not that I approve of the tactic, obviously, but once information’s out there in the public sphere, it’s out there in the public sphere. So yes, opprobrium I understand, but this OUTRAGE I’m seeing everywhere, that I don’t get.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 5:56 pm #
The Dow was up and the S&P was up and the NASDAQ, it was up, but the NYT was down again. Circling the drain.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 5:59 pm #
No, Scott. Normally, I’d be on your side. But the fact that the people who are after Malkin accuse her specifically of “stalking” is the contextual problem here. I would call it reporting, but the turnabout suggestion seems to be, “stalk her.”
As you may recall, though, there was significant outrage at her republishing the addresses of the dopey student protesters at Santa Cruz, who had their names and addresses not only on the printed materials, but at their website.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:00 pm #
Oh. Hi SEK. For my part, my outrage thinger has been in the shop for awhile now. Mostly I’ve been relying on my ironic detachment thinger, but now that’s even starting to show some wear.
I think I have a warranty around here somewheres.
Comment by SEK on 10/9 @ 6:12 pm #
No, Scott. Normally, I’d be on your side. But the fact that the people who are after Malkin accuse her specifically of “stalking†is the contextual problem here. I would call it reporting, but the turnabout suggestion seems to be, “stalk her.â€Â
I can see what she did falling under the aegis of reporting — it wasn’t good reporting, as she neglected to mention things like mortgages, &c. — but it was reporting. I mean, as someone who’s tried to get private insurance after having had cancer, I know how quickly coverage gets prohibitively expensive. Malkin, however, seems to think that two children with serious, life-long pre-existing conditions could find cheap, affordable coverage in a snap. But yes, reporting, not stalking.
happy, I can tell. You don’t seem outraged at all. You seem downright — what’s the word? calm? sedated? asleep? — whatever, the word that’s the opposite of manufactured outrage.
I should note, I’m not really talking about the reaction here, it’s just this is the only political blog I comment on, hence, I commented on it here.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 6:18 pm #
I think Malkin’s point, Scott, was that they ought to have had insurance that would have paid that in advance, and that if we cover through government programs in instances like this where parents ought to have been more proactive, that creates a disincentive to be proactive.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:19 pm #
I see your point, but I think the problem of finding affordable coverage was the responsibility if the parents here. If mom or dad had given the radio address, we would be talking about something else right now. When I was sick when I was little, my parents were really protective about insulating me from the financial implications of my illness. They did that a lot, for I was a sickly child.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 6:19 pm #
It’s the classic conservative/liberal bind.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:19 pm #
*of the parents here*
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 6:23 pm #
Anyway, I know that the personal injury cap on my auto insurance (setting aside my family’s health plan) is a couple of million p/p.
Comment by Pablo on 10/9 @ 6:33 pm #
So it is. Damn.
Comment by Pablo on 10/9 @ 6:35 pm #
SEK,
So would you say, specifically, that it’s not stalking? Would you repudiate that assertion?
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 6:35 pm #
What type of automobile accident were they in?
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:38 pm #
They were in a minivan and hit a patch of “black ice” and hit like a tree or a telephone pole. It’s in that Baltimore Sun article here.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:39 pm #
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:40 pm #
those are some names, huh
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:42 pm #
Oh – SEK – the mortgage stuff is in the article there, so maybe that’s why Michelle report anything about that…
Comment by SEK on 10/9 @ 6:42 pm #
You’re reading too much into Malkin, Dan. Speaks well of you, but does her insanity a disservice. She has no real argument — and the constant updates only make it seem more incoherent — other than “This family believes the government should pay for their health care, and not use their children as political tools.” Implicit in that is the head fake she throws so we don’t see the new abstinence ads. And there’s something so detached — not in happy’s good way — about her (and Dan Riehl’s) complaint. I mean, do these two live in a world without mortgages and debt? A world in which houses can accrue worth by being in gentrified subdivisions … which can further increase a family’s tax burden? It just seems like the demonization of a family in which both parents work, the father owns his own business, two of the children were severely disabled in a car accident, &c. is a wee excessive.
(And that Insureblog person obviously works in the industry, as he’s about as dishonest as they come. I mean, sure, for a normal family of four, one in which two members haven’t suffered catastrophic injuries, I bet you can find those rates for the entire family. As if. When I tried to find private insurance, I was told that my cancer wasn’t “cured,” but in a limbo-esque “remission,” the termination date of which was … sometime in the far distant future, and that in the meantime, I’ll have to pay about $300 more dollars per month than I make in order to pay my premiums. To have two children who need coverage would be far, far more expensive than $450/month.)
I see your point, but I think the problem of finding affordable coverage was the responsibility if the parents here. If mom or dad had given the radio address, we would be talking about something else right now. When I was sick when I was little, my parents were really protective about insulating me from the financial implications of my illness. They did that a lot, for I was a sickly child.
I’d like to think that they tried to find coverage, but I can easily see them trying and failing. Or being in the situation in which the only way to get coverage would be to sell their house and/or business, which would be fine in the short term, but would make them less able to pay for insurance in the long. However, I’ll admit that insurance is a sore point with me, and not type any more lest I seem shrill and irrational.
(Because about insurance, I am. It’s a character flaw. I’m working on it.)
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:44 pm #
It’s a lot like in Jude the Obscure, really. Or Dickens.
Comment by SEK on 10/9 @ 6:44 pm #
So would you say, specifically, that it’s not stalking? Would you repudiate that assertion?
You quoted me doing so. I’m sticking by myself. I believe I’m a man of integrity. Hell, I’d vote for me, and you should too.
Comment by SEK on 10/9 @ 6:44 pm #
(Not that I’m running for anything, mind you.)
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:46 pm #
That should have been Michelle *didn’t* -
Comment by Gray on 10/9 @ 6:51 pm #
There is just a precious ‘money quote’ from the Firedoglake site on this–from Christy Hardon Smith:
“Hell, I’d probably try to save the kid from a speeding bus if my auto-immune-achy limbs could move fast enough. Because that is what compassionate people who care about childrens’ well-being do.”
Compassionate people who care about childrens’ well-being try to rescue kids, but they can’t ‘cuz they may look and act perfectly healthy, but they have some kinda Mystic Fibrosis that no one can diagnose so they can still be bigger victims than the run-over kid?
“Sorry, runned-over kid, but ooooh, ow, my auto-immunity, Oh!”
God, that is Gold!
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 6:52 pm #
I am not familiar with MD laws. Can children pursue a personal injury claim against their parents in MD? If so, would they not have an underinsured motorists claim against the parents as well?
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/9 @ 6:55 pm #
Scott–Yeah, but they were in an SUV!
The point really isn’t so much about Malkin. The point’s more about Christy Hardin Smith and company raking all the virtue to themselves, while pushing all the vice on the opposite party. And it happens the other way, too.
I don’t believe, at root, that many people want to cut off the truly needy from health coverage. There are going to be differences on what constitutes true need, though. And improvidence oughtn’t be rewarded, but mitigated, yes. I hope that you can understand the conservative discomfort with the idea of using as a spokesperson a young man whose family didn’t carry health insurance, though perhaps they might have, particularly in light of the left’s view of what is owed to illegal immigrants. It really is incremental socialization, and freedom from choice (except for the wealthy and perhaps important government functionaries).
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 6:57 pm #
Nancy: It’s perfect Harry – they shan’t be able to say a thing lest we accuse them of attacking a young boy.
Harry: Brilliant, Nancy. Brain damage you say? Ho ho! I can’t imagine even the foulest Republican attacking a brain-damaged young lad, but we must prepare for any contingency.
Nancy: It would only be prudent.
Harry: Oh Nancy.
Nancy: Oh Harry.
Comment by MayBee on 10/9 @ 7:03 pm #
SEK:
I think the thinking is that they should have purchased insurance before the accident.
Comment by cynn on 10/9 @ 7:07 pm #
So UpChuck Adkins posts and retracts Michelle Malkins’ private info. I saw it before, and I have yet to see anyone capture it properly. Doesn’t matter; the sentiment stinks.
That post was as stupid as the MoveOn ad, and just as ineffective. Memo to the lefties: check it before you wreck it. You lose me and mine, and you’re in the septic tank where you belong.
Plus, using doe-eyed moppets as props in your breathless appeals doesn’t substitute for reasoned arguments. Morons. It’s like being on a tour bus with a bunch of incontinents.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/9 @ 7:09 pm #
The issue isn’t about their insurance now. It’s about their insurance before.
And about people demanding that I fork money over for their health care when they live in a home that costs at least 2x what I paid for mine. I feel sorry for the kid, not just for his injuries, but also for his being turned into a political football.
I seem to remember a politician saying something about not being responsible for “under-capitalized businesses”… I seem to recall the issue was health care…
Huh. I wonder who said that…
(And, really, the biggest beef with the parents is that they let their kid be used. Second in line is their failure to insure themselves in the first place. The HUGE pile of disgust is at Democrats who not only used the kid, but didn’t bother to do any but the most cursory research into the situation.)
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 7:09 pm #
Sometimes you just rock.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 7:10 pm #
Oh – that was for cynn.
Comment by Blitz on 10/9 @ 7:14 pm #
Adkins…UN..FUCKING…HINGED
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 7:14 pm #
cynn – For what must be the second time ever, we agree.
Rob Crawford – Well said, well said indeed.
Comment by Ric Locke on 10/9 @ 7:20 pm #
The trouble with a lot of “liberal generosity” is that cynical opportunists take advantage and soak up the benefits, denying them to the truly needy. Conservatives often oppose “generous” and “compassionate” provisions because we know the cynical opportunists are out there and will take advantage. How do we know that? Because we’re conservatives, i.e., cynical opportunists anxious to take advantage.
An analogy from another line of thought entirely: I just, today, got in touch with a friend from going-on twenty years ago. She’s making a nice living arranging transportation for windmill parts, for the “wind farms” up in the Texas Panhandle. On another forum I used to frequent, one poster liked to crow about how Texans were all for wind power, with the Panhandle wind farms as evidence. Those wind farms don’t produce enough energy to warm a pot of coffee, and the ranchers whose land is being used by them are not Green in any sense — you should hear some of the conversations across the pumps at the Mini-Mart. But there’s a Federal subsidy for windmills, and when money’s falling from the sky it’s wise to remember that Texans wear big hats.
Mr. Frost made a deliberate decision to do without insurance coverage, or to go with insufficient coverage. Post facto, it turns out to be a bad decision, but when he bought the automobile policy he could have relatively inexpensively purchased coverage that would have provided for the injured kids. Nobody here lacks compassion for the injured kids. What we do lack is a Hell of a lot of compassion for Frost. He screwed up, made a bad decision; the question then becomes, does he have the wherewithal to make up for that? From here it looks as if he very much does, and that’s the point of Malkin’s investigations. Is Frost likely to lose a lot of what he has in order to cover for his mistake? Damn right, but tell it to the folks living under bridges — or, tell me; I don’t have any regular employment and am even worse off than SEK, because at the moment I can’t buy health insurance for my wife at any price. Diabetes and congestive heart failure will do that for you.
So from where I sit Frost looks like a cynical opportunist demanding that the rest of us bail him out and leave him whole and undamaged despite his past bad judgement. I resent that, and I damn well resent being accused of lack of generosity and compassion toward the kids. Sell the fucking house, jackass. I had to, and nobody’s bailing me out.
Regards,
Ric
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/9 @ 7:22 pm #
The thing is, I’d have defined compassion and self-sacrifice as trying to rescue the kid despite your personal pains and fears.
But then, I’m a person who read “Starship Troopers” and bothered to think about the arguments presented.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/9 @ 7:24 pm #
Oh, and, cynn — you’re damned right. The cynical use of children as political props is disgusting, no matter who does it.
Comment by Rob Crawford on 10/9 @ 7:27 pm #
No, the biggest problem with “liberal generosity” is that they’re endlessly generous with other people’s money.
Comment by Dave E. on 10/9 @ 7:37 pm #
Back in May I had a my one and only contact with “The Populist”(pretty sure it was Chuckie) when he left a comment directed at someone else that read(in part):
“Dude…. look up the history of the federalist political party on wikipedia, please.”
Three hours later and the very next comment, he pops back to say this:
“You’re entitled to YOUR opinions and I’m entitled to MINE. and my name isn’t “dude” either. from your writings, you sound like some punk 16 year old kid, who’s still got milk behind his ears. go live life a little and then come and try to correct me, ok? because I ain’t buying it.”
Seriously, no comments between the two, both signed “The Populist”, same IP. I was thinking he might have a little MPD problem. Unhinged indeed.
Comment by Gray on 10/9 @ 7:37 pm #
But then, I’m a person who read “Starship Troopers†and bothered to think about the arguments presented.
‘Cuz sometimes a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do! But not now, I’m just feeling kinda M’eh….
Don’t question my sacrifice and compassion Rightwinger Wurlitzer!
(Y’know, I wonder if she even realizes how bad that sounds: “I’d rescue the kid, but I’m kinda crampy and owie right now…”?)
Comment by SondraK on 10/9 @ 7:48 pm #
It’s called insurance…yannow for BEFORE the fact. To insure.
Plan ahead….
Comment by Obstreperous Infidel on 10/9 @ 8:11 pm #
“It’s called insurance…yannow for BEFORE the fact. To insure.
Plan ahead….” Exactly SondraK. This stuff is NOT hard to understand. It’s hilarious that some people expect other people to actually be grown up and responsible. The insurance would not have been prohibitive (is it even now?) before the accident. Maybe, Mr. Frost’s ass should have been arrested for child endangerment? But, it sounds like he’s kind of a weenie anyhow. Poor children can’t pick their parents.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 8:11 pm #
I missed bluto’s post – hilarious
http://dreadpundit.blogspot.com/2007/10/chuck-adkins-address-phone-number-and.html
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 8:15 pm #
Wilson Outraged at Novak’s Lies – Does Joseph Plame have no shame?
Hillary Pushes Away Shit Sandwich – Since she has thousands of people who advise her, whose idea was it to finally jettison the thief, and how can I apply to be one of her advisers?
TNR has interviewed Beachamp and knows the truth, yet since that moment in time, has not yet uttered one single solitary word about the topic. Can we question their patriotism yet?
The Left is unable to differentiate between criticism of the Democrats and of the Frost’s and criticism of the 12 year old that was being pimped out by the Democrats and the parents.
What is the common theme in all of these? The Dems expect us to believe their version of reality. They think we are dumber than Caric, and will believe their crap because the media continues to allow them to spew it, and usually helps them.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 8:29 pm #
This stuff is NOT hard to understand. It’s hilarious that some people expect other people to actually be grown up and responsibleSCRIMPED so much I didn’t so much as buy a pair of new underpants for 2 years in order to buy a house working as a waitress. Once I bought it, I scrimped again because I was accustomed to it and I wanted a better house some day. It sorta sucked, but in reality those 5 or 6 years of sacrifice were some of the best days. You really appreciate the little things.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 8:36 pm #
crud. dpn’t know what I did…here was my response:
No, you’re right, it’s not. Ever pick up a financial advice book? First rule, get disability insurance. Second rule, get disability insurance OR give up and save at least 2 years worth of what you would need to survive in the event of a emergency and you can’t work. Boy, I’ve saved. I’ve SCRIMPED so much I didn’t so much as buy a pair of new underpants for 2 years in order to buy a house working as a waitress. Once I bought it, I scrimped again because I was accustomed to it and I wanted a better house some day. It sorta sucked, but in reality those 5 or 6 years of sacrifice were some of the best days. You really appreciate the little things.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 8:37 pm #
Does Joseph Plame have no shame?
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 8:39 pm #
Ack —
Does Joseph Plame have no shame?
No. He has very important hair, and Bob Novak should know this, damn it!
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 8:47 pm #
More and more, I’m betting the movie is going to be hysterical.
Comment by JD on 10/9 @ 8:50 pm #
They will have to get Jim Carey or Robin Williams to play Joe Plame, as they are the only people I can think of that could overact with enough vigor to portray the faux and manufactured outrage that Joey spits out.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 8:52 pm #
Dan Collins – update your ‘hillarious” post ….Malkin respond’s – Chuch is FULL OF CRAP….
Comment by Darleen on 10/9 @ 8:54 pm #
SEK
I’m late to this discussion (away from ‘puter all day and just catching up) but HOWEVER:
Daddy Frost has his own business. Why didn’t he get insurance through THAT route, in say a group insurance pool of small businesses?
THAT is how my parents got insurance after my dad became “unemployable” after spending 6.5 months in the hospital following an abdominal aneurysm. They were in their mid-50’s at the time (20 years ago) so my dad started his own business so he could get insurance.
I just don’t see how Daddy Frosts very very poor planning (gambling with no med insurance BEFORE the car accident) constitutes an emergency on US. Plus this family of four has a hell of a lot more assets (over $400K in home equity alone!) but expects the poor schmoe renter to fork over more in taxes to pay for the Frost kids.
The Dems were shameless in pimping this kid and the defenders of the tactic are indecent beyond description.
the expansion of the SCHIP program is just another wedge into nationalized health care … and the use of crippled kids as human shields against criticism is far beyond the pale.
I have worked, sacrificed, gone without, and made hard choices to provide for my children. Why the FUCK should I do that when the idiot down the street puts HIS kids needs second THEN expects ME to pick up the slack?
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 9:21 pm #
Man — read Malkin’s whole thing without going to all the links (will re-read and go to the links in a minute) – but um, she really lays it all out.
Outraged lefty bloggers are really just pissed Malkin exposed the left’s child exploitation fraud for what it is. Feel the sting.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 9:24 pm #
From that NYT story:
We’re at the end of the biggest housing boom in history. How can this loser not keep a steady gig?
No, intermittent work boy with part-time employed wife, you do not work hard. You are a loser. And now you are a loser with brain-damaged children. Time to get your game face on, little man.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 9:25 pm #
but expects the poor schmoe renter to fork over more in taxes to pay for the Frost kids.
and what about the gay community, why should a predominately childless group pay for health insurance for an 18 child family in UTAH? Hmmm?
( that’s a good argument, isn’t it?)
Comment by B Moe on 10/9 @ 9:26 pm #
Two severe brain injuries from a single car accident make me wonder if the kids were wearing proper restraining devices.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 9:28 pm #
Perhaps today I shall make a cabinet. What say you, wife?
I don’t know how you do it, honey.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 9:29 pm #
TSk9 – it’s just the gay smokers they’re after.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 9:33 pm #
How can this loser not keep a steady gig?
He’s a smug artist (essentially) who wants to work at what he loves whether or not it makes a dime.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 9:39 pm #
-Comment by B Moe on 10/9 @ 9:26 pm #-
B-Moe, you are not the first.
I’ve also read there is a mandatory injury compensation component to Maryland to car insurance and one must personal sign an exemption if they’d not like it.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/9 @ 9:45 pm #
Tsk9 – In Texas that sort of thing is usually not a lot – it was like 10/40 – $10K per person up to $40K. I can’t remember exactly how this works, but point being you have to not just accept and pay for the default, but pay considerably more if you want that coverage to be meaningful with respect to covering damaged brains and stuff.
Comment by thor on 10/9 @ 10:16 pm #
One time I went a month saving the coins and detergent required to launder my underwear. I saved enough to buy a twelve-pack. After I drank the beers I pissed and vomited all over myself in my sleep. A thorough cost analysis indicated the whole episode was a wash.
Comment by Darleen on 10/9 @ 10:16 pm #
Tsk9
If he was a responsible artist, and together with his wife were responsible parents, at the very least SHE would have gotten a job that DID offer med insurance.
The two of them gambled with their kids well-being and they want their neighbors to foot their failure.
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 10:35 pm #
One time I went a month saving the coins and detergent required to launder my underwear. I saved enough to buy a twelve-pack.
I saved to buy a HOUSE dipshit, not a twelver. Don’t expect me to weep for your puked on boxers because you made a stupid choice there, cowboyl.
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Darleen
If he was a responsible artist, and together with his wife were responsible parents, at the very least SHE would have gotten a job that DID offer med insurance.
The two of them gambled with their kids well-being and they want their neighbors to foot their failure.
I’m sorry but feminism is all fubar isn’t it? College educated women seeks tattoos and many children in private school in place of feminist pushed career and abortion!
Sit back and enjoy the disingenuous modulation!
But they are both products of over indulgent boomers, is my guess. They got EVERYTHING – including a fat education and then? Spawn, and then just like make furniture and when mom and dad finally say take over your own payments? Go Fed!
Seriously, if this is the new college education standard – we art, you pay? We are fucked. (ps – I AM a self-employed ARTIST)
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/9 @ 11:12 pm #
Also–If he was a responsible artist, and together with his wife were responsible parents, at the very least SHE would have gotten a job that DID offer med insurance.
I also meant to say this…and MM took the word on this, but have you seen the company website Miz. Frost works for? Does NOT look like a health insurance depriving outfit to me, or employing her has been the biggest mistake in their med opinion research business making future life. Seriously, I just can NOT see this place NOT making health insurance available.
Did Mz. Frost take a higher wage in lieu of healthcare bennies?
Comment by Darleen on 10/9 @ 11:19 pm #
Tsk9
Did Mz. Frost take a higher wage in lieu of healthcare bennies?
Good question. I work for county gov. and I CANNOT opt out of health benefits unless I show proof I’m covered under my spouse’s med insurance (and vice versa… husband’s company won’t allow him to opt out unless he shows proof he’s covered under mine)
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/10 @ 12:03 am #
Well Darleen it’s worth asking…othewise, is this company gonna let their employee trash them? Again, take a look at the web presence, of this medical research/study publishing company. They spent more on their web development than on employee health benefits? Not likely.
—They are medical researh/study publishing company…this may be the key to how the democrats found her – short of putting a “help wanted – POSTER CHILD NEEDED” ad out.
Comment by klrtz1 on 10/10 @ 4:51 am #
That SEK is quite the, open-minded, even-handed writer: “her insanity”, “[she] demonized”, … I believe he has a good job waiting for him writing news for the New York Times. If only they were hiring.
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/10 @ 4:59 am #
Scott’s a great deal more open-minded than most of them, klrtz1. He asks questions out of actual curiosity.
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Comment by thor on 10/10 @ 6:12 am #
I wouldn’t know what it’s like to actually save money, Miss Thrifty Panties, yet I live in a very, very large mansion. That’s right, using my puke as mortar I built a two-story ranch style made exclusively of empty kegs and crushed Budweiser cans. Constantly staring stuffed monkeys are my only furnishings outside of a simply kicking home theater and a computer network that includes a 10-terabyte RAID array and a quad quad-core cluster CPU that’s so overclocked it can only be cooled by the ice maker from my Sub Zero fridge, which is well stocked, by the way, with nothing but frosty Buds. So you see, I don’t easily imbibe sacrificial stories of bygone threadbare days wherein lack of fresh panties bare the metaphoric mark of humility and suffering, good God woman, even cavemen afforded themselves a decent loin cloth. Get yourself some smiley face thongs at the Dollar Store and save me, my tallboys and stuffed apes your extended tales of ripe Dickensian panties.
Comment by klrtz1 on 10/10 @ 6:50 am #
Hey Dan, I said SEK is a good enough writer to write
fictionnews for the New York Times. Isn’t that a compliment? I usta be a libral! SEK is still stuck believing the Democrat lies and avoiding thinking about the contradictions. But he’s an ENGLISH student. He has never been taught to think. It’s going to take him a long time to discover the truth.And I want to keep ridiculing him until he does.
Please, Dan, can I keep ridiculing SEK? Pleeaasseee?
Comment by Dan Collins on 10/10 @ 6:53 am #
Sure, just so long as it’s okay with Scott.
Trackback by Moron Pundit on 10/10 @ 7:14 am #
Chuck Adkins: My Hero…
I mean, how do you reconcile this:
I am a right leaning, Independent voter, Your typical swing voter.
… and this:
The real funny thing is, she referrers to me as a moonbat, ThatÂ’s too funny.
… with this?:
Just to be clear, I do no…
Comment by Slartibartfast on 10/10 @ 7:31 am #
Another nifty thing about Scott is that when he has a point to make, he makes it. Wierd, I know. Yeah, sure, you might not agree with it, but at least it’s recognizable as a point.
Alphie, timmah and andy (who, for all I know, are the same person) could learn much from Scott, but they probably don’t want to. Nothing is so much of a fun-dampener, to them, as an actual discussion breaking out.
Comment by MayBee on 10/10 @ 7:46 am #
Tops-
while I have your attention, and because this thread is marginally about Joe Wilson, look what I found in the Politics of Truth yesterday:
[after Wilson's friend bumps into Novak on the street]
“Next, I contacted the head of the news division at CNN, Eason Jordan, Novak’s titular boss whom I had known for a number of years. It took several calls, but I finally tracked him down on his cel phone. I related to him the details of my friend’s encounter with Novak and pointed out that whatever my wife might or might not be, it was the height of irresponsibility for Novak to share such information with an absolute stranger on a Washington Street.”
Plame’s employment was so super secret that Wilson blabbed about it to Eason Jordan. For no good reason. If he needed to protect his wife, why in the world did he tell Jordan the details?
Comment by Topsecretk9 on 10/10 @ 8:09 am #
Maybee…I know I’ve read that too. It’s so stupid…
Comment by MayBee on 10/10 @ 8:18 am #
Ah, I should have known you read it. By now you’ve probably memorized that book, torn it up, and made little origami panties out of the pages.
Comment by SEK on 10/10 @ 10:50 am #
Rob:
The issue isn’t about their insurance now. It’s about their insurance before.
But it’s always about both. What if he’s fired from his job and his kids lose coverage? He won’t be able to afford the premiums unless he can find a job which provides coverage and/or loses his house. What I’m saying is that if you work, you should have and/or be able to afford health insurance. That’s simply not the case … esp. when you need it.
Ric:
The trouble with a lot of “liberal generosity†is that cynical opportunists take advantage and soak up the benefits, denying them to the truly needy. Conservatives often oppose “generous†and “compassionate†provisions because we know the cynical opportunists are out there and will take advantage.
Cynical opportunists abound, it’s just a matter of which ones we allow to take advantage of us, and at what price. So, in Iraq we have second-rate contracters doing piss-poor work and charging the federal government three times (and counting) for it; in the US, some people will goose the health-care system. I’m more upset by the former — in terms of scale, the fraud dwarfs dometics health-care expenditures — but I can understand why people would be upset by the latter, at least in principle. In short, there’s no way to create a system that can’t (and won’t) be goosed; you simply have to declare how much goosing you’re willing to stand in order to cover the honest majority. I’m willing to stand a lot.
Post facto, it turns out to be a bad decision, but when he bought the automobile policy he could have relatively inexpensively purchased coverage that would have provided for the injured kids.
This is the other point: should the kids have to pay for their parents’ mistakes? This is a much larger issue, obviously, because it requires us saying something about the kind of society we want to live, i.e. one in which the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children, or one in which those not at fault can find support.
Topsecretk9:
Ever pick up a financial advice book? First rule, get disability insurance. Second rule, get disability insurance OR give up and save at least 2 years worth of what you would need to survive in the event of a emergency and you can’t work.
Sound logic, obviously, but there’s one problem: save all you want, there are some costs no amount of scrimping can handle. (And this is even with insurance, but that’s another topic.) I could bust my ass working three jobs, pull in $120,000 a year and still find myself bankrupted by medical costs, insurance or no. Hell, I guarantee that if Frost had purchased the barest minimum of available coverage — the $400 premium — and had the accident, the insurance company would’ve found some way to avoid paying the hundreds of thousands of dollars the kids’ treatments cost.
Darleen:
I just don’t see how Daddy Frosts very very poor planning (gambling with no med insurance BEFORE the car accident) constitutes an emergency on US. Plus this family of four has a hell of a lot more assets (over $400K in home equity alone!) but expects the poor schmoe renter to fork over more in taxes to pay for the Frost kids.
Actually, this thread’s been extremely useful for me, as it’s helped solidify my answer to precisely this question: I don’t want to live in a country where a father’s poor planning leads to a life of crippling pain and permanent disability for his children. Should we punish his children for his decisions? Does his guilt extend to them? Should it?
Topsecrek9:
what about the gay community, why should a predominately childless group pay for health insurance for an 18 child family in UTAH?
The New Social Contract: Tit-for-Tat, in all things, Tit-for-Tat.
klrtz1:
That SEK is quite the, open-minded, even-handed writer: “her insanityâ€Â, “[she] demonizedâ€Â, … I believe he has a good job waiting for him writing news for the New York Times. If only they were hiring.
If only!
I said SEK is a good enough writer to write fiction news for the New York Times. Isn’t that a compliment? I usta be a libral! SEK is still stuck believing the Democrat lies and avoiding thinking about the contradictions. But he’s an ENGLISH student. He has never been taught to think. It’s going to take him a long time to discover the truth.
You know, of all places, you’d think this would be one where such horseshit doesn’t fly — where it only attracts them.
And I want to keep ridiculing him until he does.
Please, Dan, can I keep ridiculing SEK? Pleeaasseee?
(snaps fingers) klrtz1! Look! I’m right here! You don’t need to ask Dan’s permission to mock me. Under normal circumstances, I’d be fine with a little mockery, but in this case, I can’t grant that permission. It’s not the mockery per se that bothers me here, but how poorly you do it. I’d say you need practice, but your showing here makes me think you need some lessons. So, here’s the deal:
Find yourself a mentor. Listen to him. Practice on some chumps — and remember, anonymity is your friend, so troll among the lesser minds with impunity for a couple of months. Hone your skillz. Then re-apply. You won’t be good, but if you show some improvement — if you glow with the earnest desire to mock like the Big Boys — I might not toss your application in the can.
Now, hup to it!
Comment by happyfeet on 10/10 @ 10:54 am #
I think if the children had to pay for their parents’ mistake it would definitely make for a more compelling story.
Comment by fahs ibair on 10/10 @ 11:54 am #
They will have to get Jim Carey or Robin Williams to play Joe Plame, as they are the only people I can think of that could overact with enough vigor to portray the faux and manufactured outrage that Joey spits out.
The. Role. Shatner. Was. Born. To. Play.
Comment by MayBee on 10/10 @ 11:58 am #
I don’t want to live in a country where a father’s poor planning leads to a life of crippling pain and permanent disability for his children
It is a universal truth that a father’s poor planning can lead to a life of crippling pain and disability for his children. Do you mean that you don’t want to live in a country that won’t try to help mitigate that?
Comment by BJTexs on 10/10 @ 12:38 pm #
I choose to duck under the flaming swords wielded by Scott and the PW minions and choose to deal with the Hil – Burgler issue. From the Post story, quoted Hil:
“He has no official role in my campaign. He’s been a friend for more than 30 years. But he doesn’t have any official role,” she insisted.
When asked to clarify the Senator responded, “Look, it’s quite simple. He officially has no official capacity in the official campaign. I have many official unofficial people, thousands, who unofficially advise me on both official and unofficial campaign issues. Officially, they are all unofficial and, while they unofficially interact with the official members of my campaign those officials officially treat the unofficials as not being official. Keep in mind all of that is unofficial because while I am, of course, official, all statements that are not vetted by the officials are officially unofficial until they become official.”
WHEEEEEEE!!!
Comment by Pablo on 10/10 @ 1:18 pm #
SEK,
Who said anything about punishing the children with crippling pain and permanent disability? You’re overdramatizing, Scott. And you’re doing exactly what the Senate Dems hoped you’d do when they rolled Graeme out.
This is a question of assets, and ability to pay. The kids will get their care, and if Dad goes broke in the process of providing it for them (a result of his failure to provide for such contingencies), guess what? Then they’ll qualify for Medicaid and get it for free anyway, the way the system is supposed to work.
What you suggest is that we should be able to shame society into a situation where I can make a reasonable income, spend it all on Twinkies and bourbon, and stick you with the bill for my kids’ insurance. Because I’m an asshole who rather stick you with my bills than deprive myself of whatever I want. Which is exactly why I and my asshole brethren will do just that.
Do you really want to remove the consequences of making stupid decisions?
Comment by McGehee on 10/10 @ 1:51 pm #
So Berger’s “unofficially” involved in her campaign. What was the name of the thug that was involved in collecting all those FBI files? Seems to me his White House job was equally “unofficial.”
I’m detecting a theme here.
Comment by SEK on 10/10 @ 2:03 pm #
May Bee:
Do you mean that you don’t want to live in a country that won’t try to help mitigate that?
Quit reading my thoughts and pay attention to what my poorly worded sentences mean, alright?
Pablo:
Who said anything about punishing the children with crippling pain and permanent disability? You’re overdramatizing, Scott.
I don’t think I am. Give me a minute:
This is a question of assets, and ability to pay. The kids will get their care, and if Dad goes broke in the process of providing it for them (a result of his failure to provide for such contingencies), guess what? Then they’ll qualify for Medicaid and get it for free anyway, the way the system is supposed to work.
So if it’s a question of when they get the money, you’d prefer they get it after they go bankrupt, rather than before? I’d prefer they not go bankrupt, remain homeowners and businessowners, &c.
What you suggest is that we should be able to shame society into a situation where I can make a reasonable income, spend it all on Twinkies and bourbon, and stick you with the bill for my kids’ insurance. Because I’m an asshole who rather stick you with my bills than deprive myself of whatever I want. Which is exactly why I and my asshole brethren will do just that.
There’s a point where healthy cynicism — as Ric showcased above — creeps into pure misanthropy, i.e. when “some people will abuse the system” to “all people will abuse the system.” We’re talking about the working poor, here; they’re unable to qualify for programs like Medicaid because they’re working, building assets, &c. Do you want to encourage them to stop working? Then they’d be able to afford their medical bills. Point being: this isn’t a simple matter of carrots and sticks.
Do you really want to remove the consequences of making stupid decisions?
Let me rephrase this for you: “Do you really want to remove the consequences for the child of his or her parent’s stupid decisions?”
Ideally, yes.
Comment by B Moe on 10/10 @ 2:25 pm #
“Point being: this isn’t a simple matter of carrots and sticks.”
Everything is a matter of carrots and sticks, Scott. Removing the consequences of irresponsible behavior is only going to encourage more irresponsible behavior, and you seem to have a problem distinguishing holding the parents responsible with punishing the children. I have nothing but sympathy for the children, and nothing but contempt for the parents. One child, maybe two, that you can’t provide for is perhaps excusable given the circumstances, but people who bring four children into the world they are unable to care for are irresponsible idiots.
Comment by Pablo on 10/10 @ 2:29 pm #
Reread your statement: “I don’t want to live in a country where a father’s poor planning leads to a life of crippling pain and permanent disability for his children.”
That is not a threatened outcome. It is, in fact, an extraordinarily unlikely outcome, as these children are currently covered under SCHIP. Perhaps if they moved to Cuba, they’d be screwed. Otherwise, probably not.
So where is your limit of stupid decisions you’re willing to have society subsidize? If he decides to drive up to Atlantic City and put the family fortune on black, shall we write him a check to replace it when he loses?
I too would prefer that people didn’t do stupid things, but I have no faith in that ever being eliminated. So do we pay to settle all of it?
Well, I’m happy to report that I haven’t crossed it, because I didn’t say all. It is but some, and it’s all of them. For consistency’s sake, I’ll call them assholes.
This guy is self employed at what is basically his hobby. He’s either a lousy businessman or a lousy woodcrafter or both. If he and his wife are working, and they’re not pulling in any better than an average of $25K a piece, with no benefits, then he is simply not successful at his chosen profession, and he and his wife have chosen vocations that have put them into this bind, which I’ll remind you, has already been solved for them by a program that we now seek to expand.
It doesn’t need rephrasing, and I’d appreciate an answer to it as it stands. If it helps you to read David Harsanyi’s Nanny State first, by all means, feel free to do so.
Comment by JD on 10/10 @ 2:34 pm #
SEK
So if it’s a question of when they get the money, you’d prefer they get it after they go bankrupt, rather than before? I’d prefer they not go bankrupt, remain homeowners and businessowners, &c.
This could have all been avoided had they prioritized the purchase of insurance PRIOR to the automobile accident. The resultant financial mess is a direct consequence of their failure to do so.
Until this program is limited to actually poor people, and only kids, I will continue to vehemently oppose it. This situation just clearly shows why there is a principled position against this creeping socialism.
Comment by MayBee on 10/10 @ 2:48 pm #
Let me rephrase this for you: “Do you really want to remove the consequences for the child of his or her parent’s stupid decisions?â€Â
Ideally, yes.
I can’t agree. Children can learn from their own mistakes, as well as their parents’ stupid decisions. While I don’t wish hardship on anyone, I don’t think an ideal world should have consequences for decisions- good or bad- removed from an individual or from a child.
I actually think the trend to try to do just that has created many of our current social problems.
Comment by happyfeet on 10/10 @ 3:07 pm #
Everyone keeps coming back to this – these people were covered. Little Graeme’s whole argument was that it was super cool to be able to get bonked on the head real bad and have someone else pay for it. It made them feel safe and warm and a person’s a person, no matter how small and all that. But basically what they and SEK have is a vision of life in which an ethos of personal responsibility is considerably less valued, or at least it seems that way to me, but even in the happy place they want to take us half of all peopleses are gonna be less happy than average.
I’m almost sure of it.
Comment by Pablo on 10/10 @ 3:25 pm #
Yeah, that. Exactly that.
Fuck up all you like and we’ll make sure you have a cushy landing. For The Children™!
Comment by Rusty on 10/10 @ 3:47 pm #
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Comment by SEK on 10/10 @ 10:50 am #
But it’s always about both. What if he’s fired from his job and his kids lose coverage? He won’t be able to afford the premiums unless he can find a job which provides coverage and/or loses his house. What I’m saying is that if you work, you should have and/or be able to afford health insurance. That’s simply not the case … esp. when you need it.
The you need to talk to the trial lawyers that ran up the costs in the first place. So sue me.
The trouble with a lot of “liberal generosity†is that cynical opportunists take advantage and soak up the benefits, denying them to the truly needy. Conservatives often oppose “generous†and “compassionate†provisions because we know the cynical opportunists are out there and will take advantage.
Cynical opportunists abound, it’s just a matter of which ones we allow to take advantage of us, and at what price. So, in Iraq we have second-rate contracters doing piss-poor work and charging the federal government three times (and counting) for it;
An invalid assertion. TYou go over there and do that kind of job.
in the US, some people will goose the health-care system. I’m more upset by the former  in terms of scale, the fraud dwarfs dometics health-care expenditures  but I can understand why people would be upset by the latter, at least in principle. In short, there’s no way to create a system that can’t (and won’t) be goosed; you simply have to declare how much goosing you’re willing to stand in order to cover the honest majority. I’m willing to stand a lot.
Yeah you can. It’s called pay as you go. If the the cost(of health insurance) came out of your pocket you wanna bet there’d be less people goosin’ the system.
This is the other point: should the kids have to pay for their parents’ mistakes? This is a much larger issue, obviously, because it requires us saying something about the kind of society we want to live, i.e. one in which the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children, or one in which those not at fault can find support.
All kids pay for their parents bad decisions. Do you want me to pay for their parents bad decisions? ‘Cause I got my own kids lives to ruin.
Sound logic, obviously, but there’s one problem: save all you want, there are some costs no amount of scrimping can handle. (And this is even with insurance, but that’s another topic.) I could bust my ass working three jobs, pull in $120,000 a year and still find myself bankrupted by medical costs, insurance or no. Hell, I guarantee that if Frost had purchased the barest minimum of available coverage  the $400 premium  and had the accident, the insurance company would’ve found some way to avoid paying the hundreds of thousands of dollars the kids’ treatments cost.
OK out of every 100,000 US citizens does the above situation apply?
Actually, this thread’s been extremely useful for me, as it’s helped solidify my answer to precisely this question: I don’t want to live in a country where a father’s poor planning leads to a life of crippling pain and permanent disability for his children. Should we punish his children for his decisions? Does his guilt extend to them? Should it?
Again. So the rest of us have to pay it? What you require is another tax.
The New Social Contract: Tit-for-Tat, in all things, Tit-for-Tat.
Do away with social security altogether. I can manage that money much better than the SSA.Crazy talk, I know.
There is no such thing as a no-fault existence unless you want to hand over all your wealth and security to a form of government.
Comment by andy on 10/10 @ 6:13 pm #
“Do away with social security altogether. I can manage that money much better than the SSA.Crazy talk, I know.”
Its a wonder why democrats win any elections at all!
Comment by JD on 10/10 @ 6:18 pm #
FUcking mosquitos …
Comment by klrtz1 on 10/10 @ 7:13 pm #
See Dan, Scott doesn’t mind if I ridicule him. He thinks it’s good practice for me. I enjoy it too. ENGLISH? ROFL, hup!
Comment by agip on 10/10 @ 9:45 pm #
There’s no reason that all the people who want government healthcare couldn’t organize into their own health organization, charge dues, set up agreements with health providers, and have their big system. There’s enough of them to get a pretty good rate, I’m sure, and only those who wanted to participate would pay for it.
That means that I wouldn’t be punished for the parents’ mistakes, either. (If it’s wrong to punish the children for the parents’ mistakes, then how is it right to punish completely unrelated people for the parents’ mistakes?) What is more, all those who believe medical expenses for the unfortunate should be covered by others will get to feel like saints and actually fork over the cash, while I can buy more books to help me learn how to cure cancer / stop global warming / bring peace to the world (because there’s always a cost for taxes — they forcibly take potential away from one group in order to preserve it for another).
Comment by B Moe on 10/11 @ 1:07 am #
So are you a big fan of all monopolies, andy?
Comment by Rusty on 10/11 @ 4:13 am #
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Comment by andy on 10/10 @ 6:13 pm #
“Do away with social security altogether. I can manage that money much better than the SSA.Crazy talk, I know.â€Â
Its a wonder why democrats win any elections at all!
I dunno? Because idiots like you vote for em?
Google ‘ponzi scam’ then google social security
Comment by Rusty on 10/11 @ 4:14 am #
Choice is bad. Right Andy?
Comment by Bill Maron on 10/11 @ 4:08 pm #
HOW HARD CAN THIS BE? It was wrong for the Dems to trot these poor kids out as their “moral autority” and the parents were wrong for letting it happen. As soon as those kids were used, their PARENTS became subject to scrutiny. They obviously did not plan well and neither is working full time. That’s a CHOICE they made and a bad one. The kids were covered by SCHIP. Under the guidelines the Reps want, they would STILL be covered. Expanding this program would cover kids and ADULTS who should be able to afford coverage themselves of through their parents. If you commenters want to pay for others poor choices and expect the rest of us to also, you’re advocating Socialism. Bad idea; since it’s never worked any where else.
Comment by andy on 10/11 @ 5:08 pm #
“Choice is bad. Right Andy?”
Nah. Enough people will choose to make social security last.
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