Christy Hardin Smith of FDL deplores the evil stalker (otherwise known as reporter) Michelle Malkin for looking into the Frost family’s situation:
The difference between the far right wing and the far left wing: the far right will do anything  anything  so long as the ends justifies the means. The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross: things like attacking other people’s minor children is bad form, let alone harassing a family that includes a child with severe brain damage from an auto accident. Those ethical lines? Non-existent for today’s wingnut wurlitzer.
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Compassionate people don’t attack kids who desperately need help  they help them. It is human instinct at its basest level  ask any good parent (who isn’t involved in an abuse and neglect case, since I’ve seen far too many of those in my lifetime to know that some parents don’t have this trait) about the ache they feel when their child cries out in the night. Hell, ask any person with a heart if they wouldn’t do whatever it took to help a child in need, and see you don’t get “yes, what can I do to help?†as your answer.
Of course, this has got to be more intrusive than the reporter sticking his microphone into the newly bereaved’s face and asking how she feels.
Meanwhile, The American Populist is publishing Malkin’s home address, telephone number and an aerial shot of her home, because goodness knows nobody who reads that could possibly be a more unhinged danger than Malkin herself.
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Hmmmm.. I thought you hated my guts?
The difference between the far right wing and the far left wing: the far right will do anything  anything  so long as the ends justifies the means.
Yeah right. Recall what they did to Justice Alito’s mom?
Compassionate people don’t attack kids who desperately need help
Scrupulous parents and political party’s don’t pimp out their children as spokespeople for their political policy point scoring.
“The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross: things like attacking other people’s minor children is bad form, let alone harassing a family…
Let me put this delicately: I’m sure that the folks who have been here for a while might want to join me in a collective chorus of the old blogger hymn “Bullshit.” Jeff, he only has to hum. The dillo gets to play the harmonica parts.
Rob B.
Super Bullshit is right. I remember so fondly, Christy Hardin Smith and the rest of the children angels on the left agonizing over Deb F’s stalking and abuse of young master Goldstein. Don’t you?
I’ll echo that thought Rob B. It’s laughable that this woman may actually believe that tripe.
Beat me to it.
Um … blackface? Steele and Lieberman? Dozens of ugly references to the presidential twins? Lamenting the fact that the VP cheated death in Afghanistan? Hymietown? Duke lacrosse players?
Anyone? Bueller?
Chuck: What you did is way more despicable than Malkin’s investigation. Feel free to justify the Misery Pimpage™ while justifying the one thing bloggers don’t do to each other.
hope you can sleep at night if something happens to her or her kids or her husband. All because she pissed you off. Nice.
“The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross: things like attacking other people’s minor children is bad form,”
Uh-huh. Tell that to Justice Roberts’ son. Nobody on the left said that a 5 or 6 year old boy must be gay because of … well whatever bullshit reason these people ginned up in order to take stabs at Roberts through his son, did they honey?
In her eagerness to parachute over reason and truth in order to take the high moral ground, this lady has revealed herself as a bullshitting moron.
Chuckles Adkins = Douchenozzle.
The moonbats really hate Malkin. I am no fan, I just do not like the tone and style, but appreciate the work she does and flak she readily takes on in her role.
I guess I made up that memory of the left going after the Chief Justice nominee’s son. Didn’t they question the kids sexuality?
Questioning the honesty & judgement of this kids parents somehow becomes attacking the kid…
No one’s attacking anyone’s kids. So I know lying is not one of Ms Smith’s difficult ethical dilemmas.
Those exploiting the kid–his parents and their political friends–are fair game.
Isn’t part of the point that there is a genuine question as to whether, given their real economic status, the Frost parents themselves have “done whatever it took to help [their own] child in need?”
I would love to see exactly where these lines are, because so far, the Dems and the moonbat Left have no sign of restraint whatsoever, no matter who the target du jour happens to be.
I actually visited the American Populist link and commented that publishing Malkin’s info (along with darkly intimating that she might meet a violent end) made him at the least no better than her (and truth be told, I can’t stand her).
Instead of replying sunstantively, he told me to ‘deal’. When I again asked him to reply ernestly, he removed my comments. I did not curse or insult him. I simply asked what made it OK for him to behave this way while calling out Malkin… you get it.
Long story short, if anyone would like to go over there and tell him how you feel about him en masse, I think that’d be great.
steve – Chuckie just deletes all comments that disagree with him. It is the most common tactic employed by the Left.
Um … blackface? Steele and Lieberman? Dozens of ugly references to the presidential twins? Lamenting the fact that the VP cheated death in Afghanistan? Hymietown? Duke lacrosse players?
Laura Ingrham’s breast cancer and the left’s “I hope she goes into remission and fucking chokes to death.”
Openly rooting for Justice Roberts demise after his seizure. – Sometimes bad things happen to bad people. And he’s a bad person.
Tony Snow’s cancer? – “I hear about Tony Snow and say to myself, well, stand up every day, lie to the American people at the behest of your dictator-esque boss and well, how could a cancer NOT grow in you.”
The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross: things like attacking other people’s minor children is bad form, let alone harassing a family that includes a child with severe brain damage from an auto accident. Those ethical lines? Non-existent for today’s wingnut wurlitzer.
Yeah Christy, the left folks have ethical boundaries.
Why?
Because he’s demonstrated a sense of conscience or the ability to repond constructively to questions or criticism? It appears not.
Why give him the traffic when you’ve already established his modus operandi? Do you think anyone so rigid as to delete your comments is going to be swayed by the weight of more comment?
What is it with the left putting forth spokespeople who they feel have some sort of shield from criticism (absolute moral authority)? It never really works out the way they hope, and then they still have to do what they were hoping to avoid, which is to answer questions about the policy or issue.
JD @15:
BS. Maybe this is common for Chuck, but I know plenty of righty blogs that do the same thing, and plenty of lefty blogs that leave just about everything up.
Chuck Adkins is just a thin skinned hypocrite hack who can’t handle anyone (even fellow libs) questioning him.
Well, let’s see how long my accusation of moral equivocation lasts on his site.
[same comment as in the Krugman thread, w/ name changed, and additional reminder that propaganda is not refutable]
In short (since I know I opened up the can now) – you guys claiming that the Lefty blogosphere is somehow exclusively full of sanctimony and bile is as dumb as FDL saying it’s the sole province of the Right.
You don’t have to muster TOO much intellectual honesty to realize that regardless of which ‘side’ you’re on.
Oh yeah – And F Chuck Adkins. And Jackie.
I noticed that Chuckles felt the need to print Michelle’s maiden name along with the rest of her information. Um, why?
Sure. Anyone else remember talk of “opposition research” on John Roberts’ son after Roberts’ nomination? There were even suggestions on DU that people find out the sexual orientation of a kid who was around five years old at the time. And, the NY Times tried to dig up the adoption records of the Roberts family. More B.S. from FDL.
The left constantly nominates its candidates justifies its positions based on biography. Then they have the gall to claim exploring that biography is out of bounds. I’m sorry, but this family intentionally inserted their personal finances into the political discussion, so they’re personal finances are now fair game.
There are limits, of course, but I don’t think looking up how much houses in a person’s neighborhood sell for and seeing if that person’s house is up to par crosses any lines. It’s not as if they followed the family around the grocery market to see if they were spending their money wisely.
Name them, or else you are just pissing in the wind.
Commenter Bebe at FDL is illuminating:
I tell you what. If Chuck and his loyal readers ever get together and storm the Malkin complex, Michelle will have to pump her Red Rider Carbine Action BB gun plenty to penetrate the blubber. I fear for her.
“Name them, or else you are just pissing in the wind.”
The one’s I go to?
Glenn’s, C&L, Jesus, Digby and KOS. UI’vce seen some pretty vile stuff left up there.
I’ve been kicked off of RWN, IMAO and RW Howler (long time ago) for absolutely nothing (go back and look at my posts here – for whatever you might say they’re not too insult heavy – and I certainly would never threaten, etc.).
That said, there’s plenty of Righty sites that would never strike a post.
Again – your turning into a sports fan with politics when you believe your side does these things but the other side doesn’t. MAybe the ‘sides’ have done that already.
He let my post stand but then he typed this bit of brilliance.
Nice. That makes him better than Michelle…exactly how?
Also…. I’m not the first person to do this, ya know…
The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross:
“Mr. Rather, Ms. Mapes is on line one. Something about getting your storyline worked out before the trial starts.”
Ack. I screwed it up. The last line is his, the one questioning him is mine.
Gleen? Sure he leaves everything up there, because 95% of it is posts by Carl Ellers, Keith Ellerson, etc.
KOS? I’ve been banned and had posts deleted there more times than I can count on both hands and feet.
IMAO? Are you kidding me? About the only thing that gets deleted is profanity, which is not surprising, given that FrankJ’s Missus posts there.
I can’t speak to the others, but I guarantee you the majority of blogs that delete quotes are lefty oriented. The ones on the right edit for profanity, and rarely content.
And I won’t even mention HuffPo, and I’m sure you won’t either, because you know where that will lead.
IMAO?
You do realize you were commenting on a site that bills itself as “Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated”, and advocates nuking the Moon, right?
Heh.
If someone is posting another person’s private information, that could be construed as a violation of the web site hosting provider’s Terms of Service or Acceptable Use Policy.
Yeah, he deleted my last comment. True asshole, that one. I wasn’t even being rude. I just said that he confirmed all I suspected about him.
Yeah, if you take them seriously, I suppose a ban would be warranted. It’s called satire. Google it.
This must be a joke. The whole point about being a lefty is that there are no lines. That whole thing about the world being a big band of grey… have they changed their take on that or something?
steve – I said nothing about the blogs on the Right deleting comments. Not one word. I noted that it is a common tactic of the Leftist blogs, which I should have limited to Leftist blogs that I have had experience with. Disagreeing with the KosKiddies, manbearpig FDL, Pandagon, etc … will get you deleted or banned quicker than Sen. Byrd (KKK-Dem) can find a building he named after himself.
Enoch – There may be lines, but they are drawn in such a manner that it is currently inconceivable that they could or would ever venture near those lines.
Don’t forget: The Democrats/Media in Chicago sued for the release of Jack and Jeri Ryans divorce documents, even though both parties in the marriage objected that the release would damage their child.
But he was a Republican candidate, so his child didn’t matter to the Democrats.
I’m not sure whether CHSmith is a lying hypocrite or just an ignorant, self-righteous dupe, but she should really read a paper once in a while.
otcconan,
My comment was for steve, not you.
You don’t have to muster TOO much intellectual honesty to realize that regardless of which ’side’ you’re on.
Oh really? I wonder how much intellectual honesty is required to refrain from the ‘other side does it too’ argument, especially when the site ‘on your side’ is currently actively involved in deleting comments.
Or Justice Roberts’ kids during the confirmation hearings…
Ah.
Th delightful, compassionate reactioanry left:
“Michelle Malkin, who was born née Maglalang….”
Playing the racist card.
How DO you keep that hood so white?
Didn’t Malkin publish the names and phone numbers of anti-war demonstrators (that they had mistakenly left on a press release) and, when those chumps got death threats, she told people to kiss off?
Not excusing what Chuck did, but it seems Ms. Malkin has done this before.
“Please President Clinton, don’t veto my dads business capital gains tax cut. Or veto his income tax cut. Please help with a property tax cut. Help other little kids with parents who are productive members of society also”
Wonder what the left side would say if the same family cut the above statement with a Hillery presidential administration.
The truly fascinating aspect of all this is that Mrs. Malkin was doing exactly what we should expect of our journalists, she was checking the facts of a particular story. Chuckles and CHS equate this to stalking behavior because they are intellectually incurious and morally bankrupt. Doubtless the reasons they give themselves for their behaviors are more noble, wrapped most likely in the self-view they have of themselves as being on the side of the angles.
To be fair, Jeff Gannon totally deserved having pictures of his junk posted all over the left side of the web (and covered by the likes of Anderson Cooper).
After all, he asked Bush a totally softball question at a press conference. Therefore, no ethical boundary was crossed.
If Christy Hardin Smith had a brain damaged kid, how would she use the little guy? You have to work these sorts of things is the lesson here. I’m betting she’d go the stem cell route. It kind of bugs me that the stem cell thing is all I can really think of. There are still a lot of brain-damaged kids out there, and crippled up and disfigured etc. out there that remain shamefully unexploited. We need ideas.
I dunno, IJS. Got a link handy?
italics are hard
“Didn’t Malkin publish the names and phone numbers of anti-war demonstrators (that they had mistakenly left on a press release) and, when those chumps got death threats, she told people to kiss off?”
So your question is did she forward on the information that the anti-war people released themselves and isnt that the exact same thing??
Really? You are actually making that comparison? Seriously?
The funny thing is, the left’s reaction proves the right’s point. If the right was incorrect that the Frost family was full of B.S., they would simply point that out and refute the right’s facts, which demonstrate the Frost’s b.s. The very fact that they do not do so and instead attempt to claim that we are not allowed to respond to the Frost’s in any way (some kind of absolute moral authority I suppose) demonstrates that we are correct.
The Frost’s apparently have more money and assets, and live a better lifestyle, than me, yet they want government handouts. that is disgusting.
Moreover, the very idea that the left believes they can trot someone out to make a political argument and then we are not allowed to respond based on the status of the person who made the argument is an old trick the left uses BECAUSE they know they cannot win on the merits of the argument. WHY ELSE WOULD YOU USE THAT TRICK? Seriously? If you believed you could win on the merits of the arument, you would argue the merits.
It is sad what the democratic party has become. It is sad for them and sad for America.
I rather liked that little comment, so I am gonna fix it and put it here.
If Christy Hardin Smith had a brain damaged kid, how would she use the little guy? You have to work these sorts of things is the lesson here. I’m betting she’d go the stem cell route. It kind of bugs me that the stem cell thing is all I can really think of. There are still a lot of brain-damaged kids out there, and crippled up and disfigured etc. out there that remain shamefully unexploited. We need ideas.
Didn’t Malkin publish the names and phone numbers of anti-war demonstrators (that they had mistakenly left on a press release) and, when those chumps got death threats, she told people to kiss off?
Not excusing what Chuck did, but it seems Ms. Malkin has done this before.
Help me with the math here. Michelle Malkin re-published information that the authors wanted published, seeing as how they put it there themselves. How does this in any way equal someone publishing information about MM that she never intended to publish?
The difference between the far right wing and the far left wing: the far right will do anything  anything  so long as the ends justifies the means.
This is fodder for yet another sterile “you did it first” caterwaul, but seriously, given the “progressives'” fondness for totalitarians and jackbooted government intervention, it is truly a case with this moonbat of ignoring the beam in her eye. The only freedom they give a squat about is abortion.
Cordially…
I’m not so sure that Michelle’s actions in that case don’t make a difference, but by characterizing what she’s done (i.e., reporting) as stalking, and then publishing the information, this really is more threatening, in my view.
IJS – Not only was that information on a press release, but it was on the scumbags sebsite as well. Try again.
Chuckie has a picture of Malkin’s house up, for christs sake.
The Left simply knows no bounds.
happyfeet – The Left already has Michael J. Fox making informational commercials (campaign ads) about stem cells. The truth has not proven to be a hurdle to them yet.
In his defense, though, having dealt with Chuck before, I do believe that he has serious emotional issues to sort through. By which I mean 3rd stage narcissism.
Chuck is a major player. If he says publishing personal information is fair game, then clearly it is, if only by dint of his authority. Clearly, Dan, all reporters deserve the same treatment as well. If all reporters had their personal information published, the chilling effect would only be universal, and freedom of information would be depreciated for everyone equally.
Chuck has a vision, you see.
Meanwhile, Congress is working on giving them immunity from testimony in leaks investigations.
But if they leak national security secrets we can spraypaint their cat and throw sporks in their lawn.
Our little republic is growing up.
I think spraypainting cats would be considered criminal, hf. Don’t exaggerate the horror.
I was going to publish the aerial photo of where Chuck shops for groceries, but the store owner pointed out that if it caused Chuck to stop shopping there, his revenue would be cut in half. Capitalism wins.
The Dems will probably never find a valid example to support a Bill they are trying to pass – for fear that they might risk the heat of having to personally do something about it.
Or am I giving them too much credit?
What else could we expect from the lefty dopes? MM destroyed their Narrative, fragile tho it was. She then becomes the target for daring to expose another left wing lie for what it is.
JP – they could just as easily have used little Graeme for their minimum wage legislation, but I guess maybe that would have been in poor taste. They have standards, you know.
“steve – I said nothing about the blogs on the Right deleting comments. Not one word. I noted that it is a common tactic of the Leftist blogs, which I should have limited to Leftist blogs that I have had experience with. Disagreeing with the KosKiddies, manbearpig FDL, Pandagon, etc … will get you deleted or banned quicker than Sen. Byrd (KKK-Dem) can find a building he named after himself.”
Fair enough re: the right wing sites.
But I’ve seen some pretty vile stuff on the lefty sites I mentioned that were not deleted.
Who the hell is FireDogLake(sp?) and why should I give a damn?
Good piece at American Thinker about the genesis of this type of propaganda. Here is a primer on Alinsky’s Rules. The political formula is Hegel + Marx + Gramsci + Alinsky = Clinton.
I read through the comments to Chuck’s Malkin diatribe. His replies to even-handed requests, ostensibly from some fellow lefties, are just disturbing. Are they always that myopic and vitriolic, or has this event touched some sort of nerve?
But I’ve seen some pretty vile stuff on the lefty sites I mentioned that were not deleted.
I was banned at dKos for mentioning (no harsh language whatever) that Bill Clinton said that no one had accounted for all Iraq’s WMD. I guess that was too “vile” for them. It took them ten minutes to remove my post and the few “fascist troll!” responses to it. Very efficient little hive-mind they are.
MM’s need to back off a little – until the next Comet starts getting close enough.
In Chuck’s case, Dan has it right; stage three narcissism. If his blog in any way reflects his interactions with living humans then I’m not surprised that he hasn’t had a day job since 2003.
On another note: our old friend timmah the weasal actually had a rare moment of mental clarity and asked Chuck to take the post down. Chuck basically told him to piss off or some such. When you are too outrageous for timmah you’ve walked into a very bad neighborhood filled with broken glass and homicidal midget clowns!
I don’t think so. Instead, it’s probably the mere evenhandedness of some of the Cult’s [now former] members.
Major John,
Sorry, I responded as if you were steve. Apologies. Obviously you do get the satire.
“Non-existent for today’s wingnut wurlitzer.”
So, we’re all pianos now?
Y’all just don’t understand, do you?
On the Left, which is all about individuals, there are individual people who do bad things (not that anyone’s actually listed anything that was bad or wasn’t deserved).
So, if Christy publishes Michelle Malkin’s address, that is merely one person’s one-time mistake (not that there’s actually anything wrong w/ doing that).
On the Right, which is all about groupthink, the action of one is representative of all. And it’s all about the interpretation.
So, if Michelle Malkin does something that I, Typical Responsible Liberal, believe is reprehensible, then all the wingnuts are guilty of having done something that is reprehensible.
Does that clarify things?
organs.
Yes, they’re much like the boundaries of congressional districts. Heavily Gerrymandered in favor of said ‘folks’.
If it’s bad and they haven’t done it yet, it is off limits! Unethical! Until they do it, at which time there is a memory hole they have at their disposal.
Symmmmmmmetric thinking.
Homicidal midget clowns playing the calliope.
otcconan @ 32:
missed this one…
“I can’t speak to the others, but I guarantee you the majority of blogs that delete quotes are lefty oriented. The ones on the right edit for profanity, and rarely content.”
Guarentee, eh….
And you know this how? From your experience reading .00001% of the blogs out there?
Who is more likely to out a homosexual against his will? One guess, and one clue: it ain’t the Righties.
Anybody send Dr Fr*sch the memo?
Or the guys at SN! and Bustard who backed her initially?
Prolly not, is my guess. Just an oversight. Carry on.
And what the American (sic) Populist did is any different from drawing up and publishing a list of abortion providers’ phone #s and addresses ………. how?
Didn’t that signal a new dark age for health or something?
Steve – It is a common practice at Maha, Pandagon, Kos, manbearpig, etc … When they are not deleting comments, they are closing comments altogether. I admit my bias, I am a partisan, but in my experience, saying that this type of activity is more common on the Left than the Right is the equivalent of saying the sun rises in the east.
FWIW, and we in no way have to defend the abortion folks, publishing the pics, names, and contact info for the abortion providers was wrong by the fringe folks who did so. Actually, publishing the information was alright, it was the targets on the faces that was waaaaaaaaaaaay overboard.
JD:
And as I said, I’ve been kicked off of 3 righty sites (with comments deleted) for simply disagreeing. Maybe this sort of thing moves as a function of another trait and not political affiliation.
Populists. If it were legal, we’d kill ’em all and burn their corpses. But since its the popular thing to do, no thanks. Leftism is the fusion of everything bad about populism and everything bad about authoritarianism.
Anyway, know what burning hair smells like? Forgeddaboudit.
The LLL’s and the Democrats only “care” about people or causes when they can use them as a tool to push their agendas. All one has to do is look at their track record to see that in action.
I am sure this hyphenwymyn Christy Hardin Smith is “big” on women’s rights yet thinks that things like honor killings, acid attacks and stoning of women is perfectly fine because her Islamofascist allies are doing it, too. I am sure she is all for freedom of speech as long as you are parroting the Democratic/Islamofascist/Maoist party line. I am sure she is all for “choice” as long as you are choosing to do what the Democrats want you to be choosing to do.
I have no time for jumbo economy sized bags of shite like this hyphenwymyn Christy Hardin Smith or any of her psychotic LLL buddies anymore. The stench of their hypocrisy is is enough to knock a buzzard off a gut wagon.
Actually, I own a Wurlitzer piano.
steve, steve, steve. I have 500 blogs listed in my favorites, split about evenly (actually about 200/300) left-right, in seperate folders. But really, I don’t feel like cutting and pasting the names of the 190+ that have deleted my comments, all of them lefty. I’ve never had a comment deleted or been banned by any righty blog. And I post the same way everywhere (except where profanity is not welcome).
I debated S-CHIP for a short time at Balloon Juice last night and this morning. Interesting experience.
First off, if you don’t abide strictly by leftist tropes, you can expect to be called a troll, or a nut, or whatever. Then, you can expect to have fragments of your statements taken out of context and spat back at you as indicators of ideas you never intended. Finally, no substantive remark is ever dealt with head on.
Today’s Democrat party is definitely not the party of Patrick Moynihan.
Now, an anecdote does not make a truth, you might say, but you know what? Experience does.
You know, I’m glad you brought his name up. There were once honorable Democrats, and I just don’t know what happened to them. Personally, my favorite President of all time, Truman, was one (not just because he dropped the bomb, but also because he fired that egomaniac, McArthur).
Rick Ballard,
I caught the top of the Limbaugh show today and heard him use the phrase, “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” And, iirc, he reads The American Thinker.
“Michelle Malkin, who was born née M….â€Â
I have nothing constructive to add; I just want to ridicule the original author of that sentence for trying to impress us with high-falutin’ language and failing spectacularly.
I didn’t see, read, pay attention to which right-wing sites dropped steve and deleted his comments, but I know that redstate will ban posters in a heartbeat (I don’t know of any comment deletions).
There are some house liberals there who toe the line v-e-r-y carefully, but even non-lefties must watch it. Now it’s redstate’s site, they can create the rules as they want, and enforce them thusly, but I have been often surprised at how little it takes to be banned.
And I say that as a longterm member of the site – although perhaps not much longer. D’oh!
“I’ve seen some pretty vile stuff on the lefty sites I mentioned that were not deleted.”
-sure, but I thought we were talking about comments as opposed to content.
You know, I heard Limbaugh blathering about this issue the other day and then checked out Malkin, and I thought she did a fair job. She checked out the neighborhood and business and noted that the kids had been terribly injured and deserved pity and compassion. I left Malkin’s thinking that she was on the fence about the Frost’s situation and wanted to find out more before she began to demonize. I’m not a fan of hers, but I think she was trying to be fair and be investigative not to “score points.” I also think publishing someone’s address and phone is over the line – always – particularly when a person has kids who can be harmed or in any way threatened by unhinged people. This action by this other blogger crosses the line and if I were a lefty blogger, I’d condemn it. It just makes everyone’s life harder and encourages vengence on the other side. Irresponsible and dangerous.
But, but, but Radish! It was French which is all tres chic and je n’est cest pas” and all. He emphasized born with the French word. That’s unusual, edgy, radical!
Now fermez la bouche about Chuckles and his own little sideshow of, well Chuck! Adieu!
“Now, an anecdote does not make a truth, you might say, but you know what? Experience does.”
This sentence doesn’t make sense because your experience is anecdotal.
Political parties who are not adult enough to make an argument themselves and instead use a child should expect a backlash, especially when the person in question comes from a family that can afford health insurance but instead chooses to spend their money elsewhere.
If these are the people that the government is trying to help, then I am very frightened of the future. I pay for my own health insurance to the tune of $800 per month for my family (wife and child) and I have to make difficult decisions on how to spend my money but I would rather do it than having the government do it for me. If the government REALLY wanted to help keep costs down, open insurance to competition. I live in NY and would love to be able to buy the health insurance a friend of mine can purchase on the open market in California.
Michelle Malkin seems to inspire a level of derangement that eclipses even BDS.
Daily Kos has an automated system whose main purpose is to quash dissenting voices. That pretty much clears up the question of which side of the blogosphere is more likely to ban dissenters.
I just did a search at Kos’ for the term “troll rate,” (which is how community members delete dissenting comments): over the past two weeks it was mentioned 1174 times in the comments alone. Silencing those they disagree with is big part of the netroots culture.
Somebody needs to get rid of Chuck’s address above!
Seriously, do we really want to be associated with Mutually Assured Outings?
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Sorry, guys. If you want to know where Chuck lives, you can Google it yourselves.
Does he have a cat?
Chuckles and CHS equate this to stalking behavior because they are intellectually incurious and morally bankrupt.
and, they’re pissed off their exploitation fraud blew up in their face.
“Political parties who are not adult enough to make an argument themselves and instead use a child should expect a backlash…”
And the Republicans would never use an anecdotal case and/or photo op w/ kids to advance vouchers or NCLB, right?
I understand that politics has devolved into endless branding and identity validation, but we can’t be that naive about this.
I left this at FDL (nose firmly held)
“Shouldn’t these two slackers be getting real jobs to support their four children. Two illegal day laborers make more money around here ($100 a day plus lunch). Talented carpenter? Please, he has chosen to furnish his own house for no income instead of selling his services for cash to pay for health insurance. $700 a month. Less than one week’s wage for a mediocre carpenter with a tool belt and no shop. They are deliberately keeping their income low so that they can go on the dole (right BeBe?) And this is a good thing?”
Comment 211. Should be interesting.
T-web:
“Daily Kos has an automated system whose main purpose is to quash dissenting voices. That pretty much clears up the question of which side of the blogosphere is more likely to ban dissenters.”
Yeah – one site is certainly enough clear that up re: the entire blogosphere…
Are we EXCLUSIVELY reasoning by anecdote today?
Anyone got Robert Bork’s video rental history handy?
Scratch a populist, uncover a misanthrope.
– The Lefturds know full well that theres no nice way to tell some working stiff that they thing stealing fr4om him/her is a good idea, (redistribution of wealth = legalized theft), so they try to Kevlar jacket all their socialistic/Marxist bullshit games with “moral superiority cover”.
– Nothing new, starting back before the Sheehan scam. The Frosts need to get some real CYA, because everyone knows what happens to infidels on the Left, once they’ve outlived their propeganda usefullness.
The Frost’s are apparently friends of House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-DSM). I recently wrote a Letter to the Editor expressing my outrage at using children as human shields, going so far as to suggest that this is a terrorist tactic every bit as much as an IED. It’s designed to cripple your enemy’s ability to oppose you. You can read the Letter here: mdunderground.blogspot.com
“steve, steve, steve. I have 500 blogs listed in my favorites, split about evenly (actually about 200/300) left-right, in seperate folders. But really, I don’t feel like cutting and pasting the names of the 190+ that have deleted my comments, all of them lefty. I’ve never had a comment deleted or been banned by any righty blog. And I post the same way everywhere (except where profanity is not welcome).”
And I’ve been banned by 3righty sites for nothing…could that be because your a righty and I’m a lefty? Nahh….
And I’m sure you can read them all – and w/o bias. Right.
I get it. Conservatives are good and pure and righteous and free and shit ice cream. Liberals are evil and nasty and made of puppy dog tails. Reverse the labels and I’ll get the same sentiment at FDL et al.
I just can’t buy in. I don’t wanna choose to be a “chevy man” or a “ford man”. I do that with sports, and that’s it.
Question:
At what point did the “right” attack the kid?
I missed that part.
Damn adult attention deficit disorder not covered by government give away programs to people who believe in socialized medicine, but private schools for kids.
Lefties. Screw ’em.
I need a footnote thingy to give credit to that last to the head Kostard.
“And the Republicans would never use an anecdotal case and/or photo op w/ kids to advance vouchers or NCLB, right?” I do believe the commenter said “political parties”, steve. And besides, the NCLB? Come on, while technically you are correct in that that piece of crap legislation is a Bush favorite, that has democrat, ahem, Teddy Kennedy, written all over it. I agree with you that both parties, and instruments of both parties engage in that shit, but there is a difference in degree, imo. Trotting a kid out and claiming that the evil republicans are taking away health insurance from him and using a kid to help sell education legislation are of two different degrees. We may just disagree.
We do disagree infidel. I think either party will do whatever it takes.
“Are we EXCLUSIVELY reasoning by anecdote today?”
Gee, I don’t know. Tell me again how one health care case from Maryland equates to a national crisis.
Asshat.
Squared.
I have been banned three (4) times under different pseudonyms and I.P addressed from pandagon, and each time my comments (all of them) were replaced with videos of bunnies (oh so clever); and one Leftist commenter who stated that my comments on one occasion should be left to stand so that he could find out what the fuss was about and in the interest of openness was pretty much threatened with banning for voicing that opinion. My comments there have also been replaced with statements such as “I have a very small penis†and I have seen others “disemvoweled.†(having all of the vowels removed from the comment)
I was banned from feministe for “disrespecting this space†after exposing one very special brand of idiot who claimed that the Patriarchy was “hundreds of thousands of years old,†apparently predating homo sapiens. This morning I left a comment which was moderated and deleted within 30 minutes.
I was banned from feminism 101 after two (2) days for a book review I wrote three months previous.
This morning, in response to this post, I left a comment regarding people who don’t live in 500K houses paying for the necessities of those who do live in 500K houses at Fire Dog Lake, which was summarily deleted.
Alex:
PATRIARCHICAL HEALTHIST WINGNUT POORPEOPLESESOPHOBE!!!!
Just wanted you to feel at home, man.
Sorry, AleC!
This from Shaidle .
BJTexas: Just FYI, it’s “Je ne sais pas.”
Usually accompanied by a shrug that involves ears sinking between shoulder blades.
I am quite surprised at how this story has absolutely unhinged the Left. For example, the post regarding this on Don Surber’s site (where posts generally get five or six slow, measured responses, like a bunch of ol’ coots sitting around the cracker barrel a-whittlin’) has pulled in over 130 comments so far… the last one wishing that we horrid conservatives all be deported to Iran to suffer the horrid fate of living under an Islamic dictatorship.
Seriously – this got some lefty so upset that he/she actually stated that Iran is a bad place.
Does anyone ever hear those radio addresses anyway? I never seem to, for whatever reason.
“PATRIARCHICAL HEALTHIST WINGNUT POORPEOPLESESOPHOBE!!!!”
Feels better now.
Chuckie’s site go *poof*
One more thing: Steve, give me one major issue the left has been correct about since, say, 1970-ish and perhaps I’ll concede that you have a faint point about either party will “do anything.”
And as a back drop for anything that you offer, I’ll offer the following five words: Nuclear freeze and Ayatollah Khomeini.
As long as it doesn’t require Jeffie to get a job.
wishbone:
“Gee, I don’t know. Tell me again how one health care case from Maryland equates to a national crisis.
Asshat.’
Thanks for letting me know that we’re NOT reasoning exclusively by anecdote. We’re throwing in straw man and red herring also. Well done.
This morning, in response to this post, I left a comment regarding people who don’t live in 500K houses paying for the necessities of those who do live in 500K houses at Fire Dog Lake, which was summarily deleted.
Yeah, that isn’t going to fly there because they have a site on which a Christian Laouboutin-shod movie producer and an attorney beg for money from their less-employed patrons.
Wishbone@130:
hillariously ironic given my post #116.
So? Which is it? Ford or Chevy?
“Thanks for letting me know that we’re NOT reasoning exclusively by anecdote. We’re throwing in straw man and red herring also. Well done.”
Excuse me for referencing the original topic.
Asshat.
Cubed.
P.S.: As it’s playoff time, if you are the starting pitching, it’s time to get the bullpen up. That was one crappy dodge to be being caught in the lefty BS narrative group grope.
Actually steve, your not so much arguing as you are running around with your fingers in your ears yelling, “you do it to, you do it to”. Whatever helps you get through the day I guess. Now if you wanted to argue, you would deal with the facts of this particular situation.
Sondra–
Thanks for the heads up. Go check out the latest post, above.
Chuckie’s site go *poof*
What’s a populist s’posed to do with all those goddamn PEOPLE screwing things up?
Well, Wishbone, you’re not forgiven for referencing the original topic when your replying to a completely different conversation.
“Comment by Mike on 10/9 @ 12:05 pm #
“Non-existent for today’s wingnut wurlitzer.â€Â
So, we’re all pianos now?”
“Comment by maggie katzen on 10/9 @ 12:09 pm #
So, we’re all pianos now?
organs.”
Ooooo, a Matt Sanchez joke.
Not . . . church organs!
A brief history for Steve:
–Pullout from Vietnam results in catastrophe for those left behind and for the unfortunate populations in Africa who have to endure Cubans all over the goddamned place for a decade.
–St. Jimmah leads us to the promised land through pitching the Shah over the side.
–Nuclear freeze. The single most idiotic policy proposal in the history of the republic.
–Let’s make a national health care plan in secret with no physician participation headed by the most unpopular woman in the country.
I could go on for VOLUMES, but I will conclude with “the brutal Afghan winter and the great quagmire of October, 2001.”
You wouldn’t know irony, Steve, it walked up and bit you on your prodigious left cheek.
“As long as it doesn’t require Jeffie to get a job.”
Say, there, Davebo, what do you do for a living anyway?
Anyhoo:
This is the crux of the matter here. When a progressive says, “yes, what can I do to help?†she means “what does the government need to do to help?” No personal accountability nor responsibility nor initiative. Makes me miss Reagan and his famous nine words all that much more.
re: 100. Fair Game. It’d only be fair if Michelle decided to post the putz’s info on her site, and she’s got way too much class for that. Try not to compound a malicious situation by lowering the level of debate. That’s what they’ll seize on as justification for Chuck’s actions.
“Actually steve, your not so much arguing as you are running around with your fingers in your ears yelling, “you do it to, you do it toâ€Â. Whatever helps you get through the day I guess. Now if you wanted to argue, you would deal with the facts of this particular situation.”
When it comes to issues like which side takes advantage of photo-ops or which side is more likely to delete posts, we’re completely deluding ourselves to think our ‘side’ is worse IMO. Since that was the assertion being made by many here, and I didn’t agree, I argued accordingly. Don’t know what you want you want me to say.
Maybe you’d prefer I tow a certain line and call you a bunch of fascists and say that libs are all wonderful? Sorry, but I just don’t believe that.
“Not . . . church organs!”
That’s the gist of the above link to Kathy Shaidles piece. Relevant to this discussion .
Post removed…and rightly so! Right…as you were!
“You wouldn’t know irony, Steve, it walked up and bit you on your prodigious left cheek.”
???
So which is it? Ford or Chevy?
Do an experiment, then, steve.
You’ve posted here without moderator interference.
Go to Fire Dog Lake or pandagon, and post comments running directly across the grain of either blog. See how long you and your comments last.
QED
“Well, Wishbone, you’re not forgiven for referencing the original topic when your replying to a completely different conversation.”
Thread track 101 for the unhinged:
1. Lefties trot out “example” of health care “crisis.”
2. Righties call “bullshit” with reason.
3. Lefties go into epileptic seizure and do what they always do: Ignore facts and go into second level epileptic seizure, which always involves misrepresenting statements of either rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, or people who say “faggot.”
4. Righties note that lefty sites are unhinged an violating privacy “rights” that are important to lefty defense of terrorists, but not so much to Michelle Malkin.
5. Steve says “I’ve been banned form righty blogs.”
6. Others say “I’ve been banned from lefty blogs.”
7. Steve accuses all of “reasoning by anecdote.”
8. I point out the original “reasoning by anecdote” that started the whole thing.
9. Steve doesn’t get it.
10. I conclude Steve is an asshat.
Q fucking E fucking D.
That’s not an experiment. That’s reasoning by anecdote.
“Comment by T-web on 10/9 @ 1:08 pm #
Daily Kos has an automated system whose main purpose is to quash dissenting voices. That pretty much clears up the question of which side of the blogosphere is more likely to ban dissenters.
I just did a search at Kos’ for the term “troll rate,†(which is how community members delete dissenting comments): over the past two weeks it was mentioned 1174 times in the comments alone. Silencing those they disagree with is big part of the netroots culture.”
Scratch a leftie, find a fascist.
Well, I left my little steaming turd over there and not only did they not delete it but the Christy person has actually responded. Not totally civilly but not quite the insultfest my fragile ego expected.
Steve — when you’re standing up to your knees im excrement (a common experience reading lefty blogs),you may consider the fact anecdotal but actually it’s pretty good evidence the cesspit is overflowing…
Eeeeesus Wishbone! Just answer the question! Ford or Chevy?
When it comes to issues like which side takes advantage of photo-ops or which side is more likely to delete posts, we’re completely deluding ourselves to think our ’side’ is worse IMO. Since that was the assertion being made by many here, and I didn’t agree, I argued accordingly. Don’t know what you want you want me to say.
So what? Even if what you assert is true, it doesn’t give the one currently doing it (like Chuckles or the idiots at FDL) a pass, now does it? So then what reason is there to bring it up, other than to make excuses for those that are ‘on your side’? Perhaps you just want to derail the conversation in favor of one in which you point out that it’s really all ok because ‘everyone is doing it’. Well they aren’t.
Maybe you’d prefer I tow a certain line and call you a bunch of fascists and say that libs are all wonderful? Sorry, but I just don’t believe that.
Admit it, your the star of your own internal movie aren’t you?
Another instance of the Left’s “absolute moral authority” meme (remember Maureen Dowd). Cindy Sheehan has it; now this kid has it. Doesn’t matter that they have entered the public political discourse and are now vulnerable to scrutiny. The Left tries to use these human shields to protect them from analysis and criticism. Such maturity. Not.
Steve, the last time I answered a question from someone of your intellectual depth, I ended up with barbeque sauce and not sweet and sour with my McNuggets.
In the immortal words of the greatly underappreciated Junior Soprano as played by the brilliant Dominic Chianese: “Go shit in your hat.”
Asshat.
Nth.
“So what? Even if what you assert is true, it doesn’t give the one currently doing it (like Chuckles or the idiots at FDL) a pass, now does it?”
Actually, if you read my comments above, you’ll see that I was the one railing against Chuckles to begin with. I went to his site, challenged what he was doing, got banned and then came here to get people to give him a piece of their minds. It’s all up there.
To adress the larger point you bring up, your cognitive dissonance is not my responsibility.
Good thing the poor little Frost boy wasn’t left a human vegetable and on permanent life support. He might not have as many advocates.
[ducks for cover]
“Steve, the last time I answered a question from someone of your intellectual depth, I ended up with barbeque sauce and not sweet and sour with my McNuggets.
In the immortal words of the greatly underappreciated Junior Soprano as played by the brilliant Dominic Chianese: “Go shit in your hat.â€Â
Asshat.
Nth.”
WARNING: comment has no content
Wasn’t it far left liberals who sent armed agents into a private residence to seize a child in order to send him back to a Communist dictatorship? Talk about crossing ethical boundaries…
That was different, Harold. They were simply returning the misguided boy to paradise.
“someone of your intellectual depth”
“WARNING: comment has no content”
QED.
Again.
Next!
See #17
Did you miss it? Or choose not to respond?
“Wasn’t it far left liberals who sent armed agents into a private residence to seize a child in order to send him back to a Communist dictatorship?”
More of a far left Sasquatch, Harold.
But Elian now has PERFECT health care and a great career ahead of him in whatever screwy crap passes for employment in Castro’s bang-up economy. Just ask Michael Moore.
The parody writes itself.
The only reason you may need cover is that some of us would prefer to keep the kids -themselves- out of this.
Focusing on the poor excuse for responsible parenthood that they suffer under however is fair game.
I missed #17…
Humiliation in the public square/ overwhelm him with bandwith / aggravate him
Actually, if you read my comments above, you’ll see that I was the one railing against Chuckles to begin with. I went to his site, challenged what he was doing, got banned and then came here to get people to give him a piece of their minds. It’s all up there.
Of course you don’t stop there, you decry it on one side of your mouth, and then excuse it out the other by asserting that this behavior is the norm on the left and the right. So the sum total of your comments is that he shouldn’t be deleting comments, but even if he is, others on ‘your side’ are doing it to.
To adress the larger point you bring up, your cognitive dissonance is not my responsibility.
The voices in your head getting a little too loud for comfort? It must be, because I can tell you I have not defended anyone on the right, or excused behavior at all. Perhaps that’s because I am staying on topic, while you are not.
Focusing on the poor excuse for responsible parenthood that they suffer under however is fair game.
In other words: Avoiding debate over the actual issue to make unsubstantiated attacks against a person’s parenting skills based on something I read on a blog somewhere is, however, fair game.
“The far left folks have ethical boundaries . . .”
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Bullshit.
Humiliation in the ‘public square’ would mean broadcasting his behavior to the widest audience, i.e. not his own.
As for aggravating him, well that’s not only futile it’s juvenile.
Ditto for messing with anyone’s bandwidth.
You just can’t hide the lefty inside for too long can you?
– “Don’t know what you want you want me to say.
– Sticking with facts might be a nice way to go, and that way you can stay out of the automobile choice business altogether.
– No nice way to say this steve. You’re shoveling it against the tide, and indulging in the Lefts favorite passtime whenever they are about to get their Marxist asses kicked i a debate.
“Change the subject”
– The thought police are so prevaliant on Leftist sites, NO counter views shall be tolorated. Period. End of discussion.
– Now. Litterily dragging your ass back on topic, defend the Lefturds propensity to use anything and anyone, including children, to get out the narrative, or stop wasting (time structuring) everyones time. short of that you earn the asshat award, and no serious attention.
Maybe you should delete the link to Michelle Malkins personal info. Even though it’s out there, more people will see it if you link.
Um no, pointing out that the parents have made poor choices and willfully left their children without adequate healthcare coverage – coverage that is well within their financial means – is at the very heart of the matter.
Else, why would they be crying for government assistance?
But thanks for misconstruing the entire matter.
I spoke too soon. I got two comments in and then the next two were denied. Quite civil too.
David, I had thought of that, and I’d asked Michelle if she wanted me to kill the post. She didn’t. Meanwhile, Chuck has taken down his post, as I mention two posts above.
Thanks, though.
“Of course you don’t stop there, you decry it on one side of your mouth, and then excuse it out the other by asserting that this behavior is the norm on the left and the right. So the sum total of your comments is that he shouldn’t be deleting comments, but even if he is, others on ‘your side’ are doing it to.”
No,you’re way off – I’m saying NEITHER is OK, not both are OK. I went to a lefty blog to excoriate him for behaving this way (and I do mean it), then came here to tell you guys in hopes that you’d go there and aggravate him. I also went to FDL and C&L (as ‘Steve’ if you’d like to check) to express my disgust for this lefty blogger. How can you possibly turn that into me saying that I’m excusing the left becasue the right is also doing it?
I’m simply saying I don’t think it happens more on either side – that’s not the same as saying it’s OK for the left because it happens on the right.
The Democratic Party is, of course, free to substantiate the data in question. And the debate – despite what Howie Dean wants it to be – is whether it is the role of the federal government to validate my each and every economic decision, no matter how foolish or irresponsilbe, by propping my family up with a plethora of pilfered plunder in the form of food, housing, medical care, high-speed internet, transportation, etc.
steve
The problem is that in this particular instance not one rightie blog was involved in deleting comments or banning people, so there was not even the slightest reason to even mention it. Because once you do, you have moved into equivalence territory. Does that make sense?
– More bad news for the Nutroots. The Dems are doing a 180 on wiretaping now. The war, FICA, all we need now is some border control with real teeth, and the moonBats will be Oh-for-three, the hat trick.
Let’s get this straight….
I come here and side with y’all re: Chucky’s post AND FDL’s post (as I concede that there’s plenty of bad behavior on the Left), but I’m a commie libtard slave to the leftist hive because I won’t go full bore and agree that the conservatives are all good and liberals are all bad.
I’m the one with the hive mentality. Not you. Got it.
– So expecting posters to at least make a half hearted attempt at addressing the topic says all of that to you. If you don’t get it after the 5th or 6th time its mentioned, I’d say hive mentality is the least of your problems.
“The problem is that in this particular instance not one rightie blog was involved in deleting comments or banning people, so there was not even the slightest reason to even mention it. Because once you do, you have moved into equivalence territory. Does that make sense?”
No, because it started when someone here made the assertion that this was a feature of the left.See #15.
I don’t agree with that, so I said so. It’s not like many here didn’t reiterate that notion either.
There is no mutual exclusivity between condemnation of a particular lefty site’s tactic and maintaining that the left and right are about equal, on average, in regards to that tactic.
steve, you aren’t getting anything straight, but your internal hero ratings must be shooting though the roof.
It appears that you have reading comprehension problems and a fair case of persecution complex. Fortunately, you can do something about both of those.
“- So expecting posters to at least make a half hearted attempt at addressing the topic says all of that to you.” All of what?
I agreed with you guys, but because it wasn’t 100% everyone here goes off. It is what it is and speaks for itself.
– Whew. Maybe Dan should just nite the bullet and write a post on “Left versus Right, bloviating vitiolic or debate”, and then you can go there and vent steve. You don’t seem to be interested in the idea of children being pimped by the Left for political purposes.
I don’t know that it’s a “feature” of the left but FDL isn’t posting MY comments anymore. The poopyheads.
See 186
If you don’t agree 100%, you get these sort of nonsense posts. What does that mean? I’d say that’s hive mentality, wouldn’t you?
That I admit this happens on the left just drives everyone that much more crazy, I realize.
Guys, let’s please cut steve a little slack. I don’t think it’s that controversial to state that there exist on both the Left and the Right some personalities that are likely to silence those who disagree with them. Given the thousands upon thousands of blogs out there, I don’t think it’s reasonable to demand statistical proof of the prevalence of deletion/banning on sites of a given political persuasion. (At least, not without a good research grant and a bunch of grad students to do the heavy lifting.)
We can agree that posting Malkin’s info is beyond the pale, and that claiming equivalence between that and finding out the truth behind the Frost’s level of “need.” On that, I don’t think there’s any real debate.
I, for one, am glad that the commentariat here generally refrains from simple “He did it first!” or “He does it more!” debate, because I don’t find those arguments enlightening or useful. That we seem to have gotten bogged down in such an argument is somewhat disappointing.
steve, in my opinion, is one of the more fair-minded of our visitors, and so I’m asking the group to take a breath, concentrate on the matter at hand, and lay off the personal attacks against a guy who’s been arguing a sound position in good faith. Alternatively, you can call me names instead; I’ve been around here long enough to take it.
I am going to apologize for everyone for making steve go all krazee here. It was my fault for pointing out that it is a common tactic of those on the Leftist blogs to deleted comments, edit comments, and ban people that do not agree with Teh Narrative. In doing so, I forced him to point out that he has been banned, and thus, it is not a phenomena unique to the Left, which was never asserted in the first place. At any rate, my original statement was, and is, true. Whether or not the Right engages in this is really not relevant, but were it to be relevant, it would be obvious to anyone that if you compared the go to sites on the Left and the Right, one would note that deleting comments, editing comments, and overall banning is more prevalent on the Left. So, my bad for getting steve all lathered up.
Er, that should read “We can agree that posting Malkin’s info is beyond the pale, and that claiming equivalence between that and finding out the truth behind the Frost’s level of “need†is stupid.”
I even tried to proofread and everything. Dangit.
I don’t want to call Squid names. Or Steve. But please no more Chevy Ford Chevy Ford business cause I just am pretty sure it’s a trick question.
steve, I hate to tell you this but Chuckie IS on the left, and what’s more it is a very common tactic of left leaning blogs. In fact, I never post comments to left leaning blogs anymore because of it.
– So now we’re becoming soooooo obsequios we’re down to apologizing to thread jackers? hmmmm. Well I suppose we can be nagnaminous in that regard, but still I don’t recall anyone calling steve a “hive mentality moonbat, ect.”
– For my part, and I would guess a lot of the other commenters, it would be nice to not play the time structuring game, and just debate the topic “Uber faux moral highground as cover”, including the use of children.
Squid – You are correct, to a degree.
Can we all agree that :
1) Posting Malkins info for the umpteenth time is still wrong?
2) Chuckie Atkins is a douchnozzle of the highest order?
3) steve, while, tedious is world’s better than the normal blockhead trolls?
4) Ted Kennedy’s head is big as a Yeti’s?
5) manbearpig FDL is a particularly virulent pool of piss?
Chevy – Senior drove a Chevy, and Jr. drives a Chevy. ‘Nuff said.
“You don’t seem to be interested in the idea of children being pimped by the Left for political purposes.”
I agree that it’s wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just won’t agree that it’s more on one side, and you guys NEED me to concede that.I don’t know why.
When the cons do stuff like that – like the POTUS landing on the carrier – I don’t get all nuts about it. They’re politicians doing what politicians do. It’s those who’ve pledged their fealty to a side that get all nuts. Case in point: the response to what I’ve said here today.
I guess you guys think I should ignore YOU when you tell me the dems do things like delete posts and take photo ops but hte Republicans don’t. Well, y’all are saying that stuff, so if you really want to get back ‘on topic’ don’t go off on that tangent yourselves.
– Make that magnanimous – damn how I miss preview…
OK steve, you should know that I am very pleased that you were able to speak out against what Chuckie posted, and also against his deleting of comments. It was very non partisan of you, and for that you should be commended.
So, you know, kudos and stuff.
I think the basic problem is steve can’t count. He thinks if there’s any amount of righty blog deletion and any amount of lefty blog deletion then the 2 amounts must be the same. I don’t see how he could possibly balance his check book.
Maybe Democrats should track down all those kids and their parents Tom Reynolds the head of the NRCC hid behind so he didn’t have to answer questions about Mark Foley last fall.
“steve, I hate to tell you this but Chuckie IS on the left, and what’s more it is a very common tactic of left leaning blogs. ”
I KNOW!!!!!!! And i’ve known form the beginning!
Why do i get censored on righty sites!? Becasuse I’M A LEFTY!!
This really is ‘don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos”
Debate? No. But there is a fair bit of misdirection being attempted here.
Some people are transparent in their honesty. Steve strikes me as very transparent, but not for his honesty.
Graeme’s possibly unprecedented participation in the broadcast – Democratic aides said they didn’t know of another time when a child delivered the radio address – continues his family’s advocacy for the program. The Frosts came into contact with Pelosi’s office through Families USA, an advocacy group that supports the expansion of CHIP.*
UNPRECEDENTED means Republicans have never ever ever exploited a brain-damaged child on the radio for political purposes. Harry Reid totally invented this new use for brain-damaged children.
– Hold it steve. You equate the “carrier deck photo-op” with pimping children. Jeebus.
– I have a question then. Sreriously. Once you buy into the whole “equivalency” bromide, does that mean you can go with “Yeh I screwed my neighbors wife, but hell he hasn’t returned my lawn mower, and its been a month”…..Inquiring minds want to know….
Big Bang – I, in no way, was apologizing to steve. I was apologizing to everyone else for giving him the initial impetus for the thread jacking.
Of course, since steve feels that the Right uses children as props, there is no problem with this grade school stunt pulled by the Dems. They used a kid to make a political response to a political position, and get the vapors when they are called on it. Even worse, they are not intellectually capable of distinguishing that pointing out what the parents make and what they own is not an “attack” on the kid, it is merely pointing out pertinent information. Maybe the Dems could trot a truly financially impoverished family out to be their spokesman for the next issue. That they either ignored, or did not care about their spokesman’s situation tells us exactly why they used them. Another perfect example of absolute moral authority and how dare you criticize my patriotism/a child/phony soldiers, etc …
So, steve, if the Republicans are doing this as well, you should be able to give us an example of a 12 year old doing the President’s weekly radio address, or offering the opposition rebuttal to President Clinton’s weekly radio address.
happyfeet – Aren’t there child labor laws that regulate when children can work, how many hours, what days, and in what capacity?
Steve may not be able to respond for a while.
He just ran out the front door mumbling somthing about returning some power tools…
– JD – Theres just bound to be tort on the “Illegal use of mentally damaged children for political purposes, with or without a signed waiver by the irresponsible parents”. State law, Family court, somewhere.
You would think, JD, but Graeme is a radio star, so it’s more union rules than anything else that you have to worry about. He’s like a mouseketeer, just more victimy.
Steve said “I’ve been kicked off of RWN, IMAO and RW Howler (long time ago) for absolutely nothing (go back and look at my posts here – for whatever you might say they’re not too insult heavy – and I certainly would never threaten, etc.)”
Sadly I have to agree with Steve regarding RWN. I love reading John Hawkins, but he is a hard core pompus snob.
What I am really interested in – what the hell could you say on LMAO to get deleted?
Steve, please recreate that post.
– Feets, wouldn’t that bring him under the AGVA?. And man, they gots some really mean union stewards in that group, let me tell you.
Could it be that Hawkins is a closet spell checker who can’t abide posts with faulty grammar?
happyfeet
That was the most funny comment I have read all day. Thank you.
*Scratch a leftie, find a fascist.*
Possibly my favorite comment ever. I’d like to have bumper stickers made up.
Oh I gotta say, maybe I’m misreading him but it did look like Steve was siding with us. Personally, even as a die hard conservative sorta values voter, I recognize the need for “some” degree of common ground. Its not going to be rock solid- in fact, it may actually be like thin ice but the less we poke at it, the better chance we have of finding that common ground.
Not all democrats are asshat liberals just like not all Muslims are terrorists. I think the sheer amount of screenching at volume done by the hard left has gimped the moderate left into silence. I think of the moderate left, which I do believe exist, as a small flower, and if watered by tolerant dew, could indeed grow up to someone I’ll never agree with but at the same time, I won’t want to punch their lights out when they disagree with me.
My 2 cents, which is likely not worth even that much.
– “….ould indeed grow up to someone I’ll never agree with but at the same time, I won’t want to punch their lights out when they disagree with me.”
– I don’t want to punch any Libtards ticket. I don’t hit children, women, or pussies.
– But when they get done with Jeffs patio, I have a sticky front door they could take a look at….
The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross
They’re talking about Stalin, I guess? Mao? Pol Pot?
well, yeah, but you can do so much more with an organ! Does your piano have a banjo button? I think not. ;D
looking into the Frost family’s situation
This being a euphemism for peddling lies and innuendo.
– OTOH, if my banjo had an organ button, I might just have a hot ticket item, (and an excuse to buy a new sock).
Xanthippas–she went to look at their place, find out what she could. Reporters used to do that kind of thing. It was called, if I recall, “reporting.”
So, how do you get your information?
Xanthippas seems to be a bit full of it. If you peruse his blog, you will note that we can count this Greek hero as one of those that is unable to differentiate between criticizing the Dems and the Frost’s from criticizing some kid who was used as some political tool. From now on, Xanthippas, you will refer to me as Dionysius.
Or Apollo. Your choice.
I missed the part where Republicans drug the kid out of his home and forced him to spew propaganda at gunpoint ……
The whole episode stinks – once more, the left uses a “victim” to spew its’ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _.
I love this game. Is there a Y?
BD – I will take Bullshit for $1000.
lucky guesser
So, how do you get your information?
Well obviously, I walk around the locations of stories that interest me, drive by people’s houses, and talk to everyone but the subject of the story. Then I write whatever I want on my blog anyway.
From now on, Xanthippas, you will refer to me as Dionysius.
From now on I shall refer to you as the “deikeliktas” as that would be more accurate.
Ok, do that one at #231 again but with more pout, ok, baby? Sell it to me.
– “Well obviously, I walk around the locations of stories that interest me, drive by people’s houses, and talk to everyone but the subject of the story.Then I write whatever I want on my blog anyway.“
– Well yes. thats what we would expect a mighty seeker of “TrVth-eee-ness” to do. But then why waste the time and gas to do any investigating of the facts? Just do what moonies always do. “Feel” the story.
This being a euphemism for peddling lies
Name the lie
Sweetie Pie.
Malkin’s address? REPEAT!
Zippy – You wound me, deeply. Calling me a clown, or a court jester type rapscallion hurts me at my very core. Come back and play when you know the difference between criticizing the Dems and criticizing the 12 year old child.
andy – Your point is?
“andy – Your point is?”
Old story by this jerk. People already posted Malkin’s address last time she was posting people’s personal information..
– “last time she was posting people’s personal information…”
– Which they themselves had already posted elsewhere, so your implication is false. And THAT is why the Left can never get anywhere. Initiate a lie, or false implication, and then keep repeating/perpetuating it until hopefully it becomes the TrVth.
– Wheres that form 180 Kerry? Its been over 3 years.
“Which they themselves had already posted elsewhere, so your implication is false.”
Implication what? She was posting it. Then she had to change her kid’s schools. Because someone posted her kid’s school.
Typing Telephone Pole? REPEAT!
Xanthippas–So, you’re saying she would have been less of a stalker if she’d have spoken to the family?
andy is just lying. Malkin didn’t post any personal information. She posted financial information. That’s what this whole SCHIP story is about isn’t it? Money. Other people’s money.
I’m not too surprised andy will lie. He won’t even bother to read about Jennifer Bush to discover what hypocrites his Democrats are. What a stellar fucking example of humanity!
– Stellar isn’t exactly the word I would have chosen, but Feets is the keeper of the word cabinet, so if he’s jiggy wit it then KEWL!
“Malkin didn’t post any personal information. ”
I’m talking about awhile ago, when people also posted hers. Including which school her kids go to. I don’t think they posted how much the school costs.
“She posted financial information. ”
Some might say a person’s financial information counts as “personal information.” But who cares?
andy – She “posted” information that those douchebags had on their PRESS RELEASE and on their WEBSITE. Clearly, they were taking steps, much like Plame, to keep their identities and employers super double extra secret protected.
Typical leftists, who believe caring is at the point of a government gun. If you choose to have children, then pay for them. There is no right to a new GM suburban (Where are the globalwarmingnuts?) or tax subsidized 3000sq home paid for by tax subsidized deductions.
Basic human nature. You either get what you pay for, or you take what you don’t pay for, courtesy of McCain-Feingold, incumbent protectionist politicians buying votes from the working man with other people’s money.
“andy – She “posted†information that those douchebags had on their PRESS RELEASE and on their WEBSITE. Clearly, they were taking steps, much like Plame, to keep their identities and employers super double extra secret protected.”
Personal information isn’t “secret.” Malkin’s kids got school in public. She goes home in public. These kids who got into a car accident go to private schools in public. People give out their phone numbers and addresses to be contacted in all sorts of ways. When they order pizza, etc…
Personal information isn’t secret or confidential. It’s just about and identifies a person. You know, personal.
“The far left folks have ethical boundaries that they try very hard not to cross”
Utter B.S. I remember repeated incidents in the sixties of lefties harassing people at their homes and frightening their children.
RETARDED FUCKING TELEPHONE POLE
Folks, sorry about the all caps. I have just reached the point where I throw up my hands and give up.
Andy, you win. You are the dumbest most passive-aggressively ignorant troll we have seen since actus. You have yet to make a single fucking point. You have yet to directly answer any comment directed your way. Your mildly coherent ramblings ever so briefly address the topic, and in general, you are wasting everybody else’s time just scrolling past your blather.
I had to go away when he came cause of the stupid.
Big Bang (Pumping You Up)
Gee, I don’t know about that.
“Nagnanimous” has some serious potential.
What was Amanda Marcotts blog before she was adopted
into Pandagon?
RTTP 2.0 “Bringin’ Teh Stupid”
“You have yet to directly answer any comment directed your way. ”
klrtz1 was wrong. I pointed him in the right direction. Then Pablo came along and figured out what I was talking about. But not quite what “personal information” meant in this sort of context. So I addressed that rather directly. So to get back?
Posting Malkin’s personal info? repeat. Its been done. This jerk can’t even harass someone right. Its probably on Google too. And he probably didn’t have that much traffic to make a difference anyway. Maybe now he does. Jerk.
Ok. I can go with that. But let’s try a little thought experiment: suppose I take your address and your phone number and put them on a billboard with your picture and the words “This man is a known criminal and he’s moving into our community. Call or pay him a visit and tell him he’s not welcome.” Now how would you feel about that?
JD,
I thought telephone pole andy WAS actus. Did I miss something?
Spiny – If that has been established, I missed it. It would not surprise me, and maybe Jeff or Dan could verify that for us.
Personal information isn’t secret or confidential
Funny, andy, when I prepare criminal filings for court, which includes police reports, ALL “personal information” on victims and witnesses other then their names and date-of-birth (ie home/business addresses, phone #’s, car registration, etc) MUST BE REDACTED.
See, court records are public records and anyone can walk into a courthouse and ask to see any particular file… HOWEVER, under CA law, witness/victim info must be kept confidential. So it never makes it into the record.
I take it, andy, with your obvious shrugged shoulders at the publication of Malkin’s address/phone by left-wing sociopaths, you have/had no problem with whacko anti-abortion groups posting similar information about doctors?
[…] Why? Because they want to make an example: Challenge their narratives and you will pay. […]
Andy, you win. You are the dumbest most passive-aggressively ignorant troll we have seen since actus. You have yet to make a single fucking point. You have yet to directly answer any comment directed your way. Your mildly coherent ramblings ever so briefly address the topic, and in general, you are wasting everybody else’s time just scrolling past your blather.
andy just wants to be provocative. He wants to provoke a reaction. This he has done. This is his power.
I would also like to point out how terrific it is that American doctors and hospitals can do so much good with really difficult cases. American medical care is truly the best in the world.
Well, you’ve completely lost me here, actus. And I’m, like, a fucking genius with a doctorate in Obtuseology. Still, I’ve got nothing.
And then she moved. With her children.
Did I mention the children, actus?
“Some might say a person’s financial information counts as “personal information.†But who cares?”
I take all my income that is over the S-chip limit and funnel it into real estate investment. Then I take the money I would have had to spend on insuring my kids and throw this big annual orgy. I make my kids wear helmets during the orgy – I’m not crazy.
Deploring the evil stalker; It’s does no good to raise a fuss about this. When it comes to Malkin, Coulter, and what’s that other guy’s name? oh Rush Limbaugh etc., the response from your compatriots to your immediate left, lovely people all, is quite autonomic. Pavlovian actually. They’ll bark like trained seals automatically and quite predictably. Now someone has gone to a lot of trouble to carry out all all this training so your best response is to simply toss a fish and move along.
But this is worse than that. It’s why I don’t bother to read them, I’m surprised you do. Sanctimonious. Chiefly defensive, largely sanctimonious, gratuitously offensive, thoroughly but unintentionally ironic. Ironic for the deep concern for all the little children, the little children that manage to make it through the gauntlet of layers of birth controls, morning afters, and abortions on demand personal concern that runs so deep as to turn all American children medical wards of the state. By all American children it is intended to mean all children than manage to get dragged to American soil in other words, all the children of the world. Who with a heart doesn’t care about them? Readers are presented with false choices.
Where is this kid that desperately needs help Christy Hardin Smith is talking about? The real ones, not the fake ones. I’ve seen people on both the right and the left care for kids so much they even care about the ones that aren’t in immediate desperat need for help. They care for kids so much they care for kids that already perfectly well cared for. Keep the little darlings in unnecessary toys, entertainment, candy and all the rest. Not to mention, so I’ll mention it because it bears mentioning, I see the right care even more for the kids that don’t even manage to get born — the ones so in desperate need of help their own mother prevents them from being born. So exactly what line is this broad talking about? See why I keep a stick with fresh poo? Line. pfffftt.
Holy crap bour3!! I’m an idiot! Until your comment, I didn’t even think of Hillary’s 5 g’s per kid proposal in terms of how many chronic aborters would go ahead an have their babies to get the extra lettuce. So now, instead of having abortions because they luv the humpin’ without the messy rubbers and whatnot, they’ll do more baby makin’ cause of the capitalism.
GENIUS!!
bour3: How the heck did you drag the abortion debate into this? And your post sounds like a blanket condemnation of all types of birth control – say it isn’t so, because otherwise I might just drag out my map and show you Africa.
I agree that posting Mrs. Malkin’s personal info was just wrong, though.
[…] This family made choices. Choices have consequences. Taxpayers of lesser means should not be forced to subsidize them. The Left is so accustomed to the stenographic servitude of the MSM, it goes bananas when we fill the vacuum. Moonbat bloggers have taken to posting my personal home information again in “retaliation.†Why? Because they want to make an example: Challenge their narratives and you will pay. […]
[…] What, don’t the libs even CARE about the poor Canadians and their desperate need for access to quality health care — as opposed to the passionless, by-rote mediocrity doled out by FedBureaucracyGovInc? Don’t they have any FEELINGS? The evil, heartless bastards! […]
“Funny, andy, when I prepare criminal filings for court, which includes police reports, ALL “personal information†on victims and witnesses other then their names and date-of-birth (ie home/business addresses, phone #’s, car registration, etc) MUST BE REDACTED.”
As you note, many places have rules protecting personal information in certain contexts. Keeping personal information undisclosed is a good idea. But that doesn’t mean that “personal information” is limited to what is kept secret and undisclosed.
“I take it, andy, with your obvious shrugged shoulders at the publication of Malkin’s address/phone by left-wing sociopaths, you have/had no problem with whacko anti-abortion groups posting similar information about doctors?”
Actually I think the guy is a jerk. Anti-Abortion groups are I think doing more than just posting information. They’re coming closer to having liability for communicating threats (directly with their websites) or helping other people to communicate and carry out threats. And I think that is their intent. This guy posting malkin’s address? jerk.
If memory serves, didn’t a “qualified, news orginazation with real reporters” ask for and recieve the sealed divorce records of a mid-west politician. Remember Jack Ryan? Not only did these “reporters” from the Chicago Trib get the Ryans divorce records but demanded and got files concerning child custody too. Their may be lines these stalkers won’t cross but that wasn’t one of them.