If we’re not going to get a constitutionalist nominee, the question becomes, whom will the Republican Congress actually try to restrain?
Aside from immigration, on which his past actions contradict his current rhetoric, and “blowing it up and burning it down,” which is his supporters’ projection on a candidate whose been a cronyist for seven decades (old dog, new tricks?), Trump’s campaign is a stream of consciousness that will not translate into a sustained mandate. The GOPe won’t have to resist him because he won’t provoke them to — except maybe on immigration, and the open borders bunch has shown repeatedly they’re happy to wait out an adverse election result.
Hillary, a serial felon whom a realistic assessment of the Obama DOJ makes clear will not be indicted before her political trajectory has run its course, will probably provoke congressional resistance — but having more vicious political instincts even than Obama, it’s questionable whether that resistance would hold out.
Bernie Sanders lacks either the tools or the instincts to overcome political resistance from a Republican Congress, and to the extent his program extended beyond mere liberalism-in-a-hurry, that resistance would probably be sustainable.
After all these years of Obama, I’m in no mood for another four years of GOPe fecklessness. And I therefore have no incentive to vote for Trump in November if he’s the nominee. Those who really want a president that the GOPe actively doesn’t want, should be voting Cruz.
If Trump gets shafted and decides to run third party, there is a very real possibility that he will win at least one State and its Electoral votes in the General (first time since 1960 that someone other than the Democrat and Republican candidates will have won any Electoral votes).
If that happens, it is a non-zero probability that NO ONE will earn the 270-vote majority required. That would punt the election to the House of Representatives (for the first time since 1824), where every State gets a single vote, and – in the current Congressional division – that means that 33 States have Republican majorities in the House membership (AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO, FL, GA, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MI, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NC, ND, OH, OK, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WV, WI, WY), 14 have Democrat majorities (CA, CT, DE, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA) and three are evenly tied between the two parties (ME, NH, NJ).
With a 33-14 advantage (the three other States cannot change that advantage), the winner will likely be Rubio, and won’t that make the hoi polloi howl!
One of the things that has always pissed me off about the Establicans in Congress is their insistence on being clever instead of effective. Or right.
People who pass up a chance to vote for someone who actually shares their beliefs, because they’re afraid of what other people will do, are indulging the same fear-based decisionmaking we despised in Boehner and McConnell.
Your genuinely preferred candidate may not be electable if you vote for him, but he certainly won’t be if you don’t.
Indeed, 1968. I thought I had typed that, but when proofing, my eyes just flowed over it without realizing, since it wasn’t a misspelling, just a typo.
My crazy liberal, immigrant, father is all down for Trump. So is my Perot-voting mother, my wife, and my future ring-knocker of an oldest son. Number two son is Rubio or Kashi granola.
Me?
Morris. May not have won in ’88, but he will this time.
On the other hand Ernst, it may be worth contemplating what happens — supposing the hypothetical you adopt — should he not do what he’s promising his legion of followers he will do once in office? Presumably the current premise is that those followers are deeply angered at a now constant betrayal by their heretofore elected representatives, right? What then, if Trump, who is known to turn on a dime (**I can be anything I need to be**) when he seeing a momentary advantage chooses to just go with the entrenched flow once in office?
Does the anger simply re-double? And what would that look like?
My guess is most of the angry voters go back to believing that politics is bullshit and that there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the parties, and revert to being angry non-voters.
Personally I don’t have high expectations for whoever is elected, Republican wise. The country is such a mess, and one man can only do so much. If the next guy can get control of the borders, make some headway on restoring the economy toward something sane, and keep us from a full blown war, I’ll consider him a success.
I’ve always kept in mind, even if we get the non establishment type elected we still have a firmly established congress and bureaucracy he will have to deal with. Ryan and McConnell will still be bought and paid for snakes, and the democrats are still going to be America hating pinko commie fags. I’m thinking the suck will be tenacious for some time to come.
The problem with voting for Trump in the general is not knowing what you might actually get. The problem with voting for Hillary in the general is knowing exactly what you will get, good and hard. Ain’t that a teeter-totter?
Where’s Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho when you need him?
I early voted for Cruz today at Fiesta supermarket (which is a Houston “mega-store”chain oriented towards hispanics and known for having a big foreign food section before HEB got into that). The ballot has all the people who dropped out on it still because it is an early voting ballot. They gave me a QR code to try and get into the post-primary local district “convention” to see if I can become a delegate for the county or state or even national level.
After voting I got a large one topping pizza at Pizza Patron (basically like Gumby’s, Little Caesar’s, or Pizza Time only aimed at hispanic customers) for $4. Not such a good pie but it cost as much as a Tombstone(TM).
8 voting stalls, two were open when I got there. I showed them a photo ID (aka white privilege) and one of the ladies at the registration table sent me to get her another glass of tea from the little grill/diner part of the store.
And that was my thing I did today in this brave new world of no overtime and rare full time.
Cruz and Rubio have gone nuts on Trump tonight and Trump is not good off script. Kasich and Carson throw in a football or two every now and then. Blitzer wants GOP to kowtow to Telemundo and let them waste 30 minutes of the night.
That debate looked like the leader, with a couple of lap dogs barking and trying to bite his heels only to end up with the taste of shoe leather in their yappy little mouths.
It was funnier than the red neck comedy tour, I don’t care who you are…
I hereby declare that I will refrain from engaging in oppositional behavior in these threads that might drive a PW friend down the trajectory previously described by thor.
It may mean I end up saying nothing at all in these threads until January 20, 2021, but so be it.
There is no hope for the future of capitalist prosperity and a free society at home and world peace abroad unless the Republican Party is destroyed. And, by golly, Trump may well accomplish the deed.
We need to be clear. There is no longer a Republican Party rooted in the main street highways and byways of America. What’s left of it is not really even the xenophobic, nativist, crypto-racist flotsam and jetsam of the populist right that Trump is successfully calling to political arms.
U MAD AMERICA?
I think the eschaton is gonna get all the immanentizing we can handle. And then some.
If we’re not going to get a constitutionalist nominee, the question becomes, whom will the Republican Congress actually try to restrain?
Aside from immigration, on which his past actions contradict his current rhetoric, and “blowing it up and burning it down,” which is his supporters’ projection on a candidate whose been a cronyist for seven decades (old dog, new tricks?), Trump’s campaign is a stream of consciousness that will not translate into a sustained mandate. The GOPe won’t have to resist him because he won’t provoke them to — except maybe on immigration, and the open borders bunch has shown repeatedly they’re happy to wait out an adverse election result.
Hillary, a serial felon whom a realistic assessment of the Obama DOJ makes clear will not be indicted before her political trajectory has run its course, will probably provoke congressional resistance — but having more vicious political instincts even than Obama, it’s questionable whether that resistance would hold out.
Bernie Sanders lacks either the tools or the instincts to overcome political resistance from a Republican Congress, and to the extent his program extended beyond mere liberalism-in-a-hurry, that resistance would probably be sustainable.
After all these years of Obama, I’m in no mood for another four years of GOPe fecklessness. And I therefore have no incentive to vote for Trump in November if he’s the nominee. Those who really want a president that the GOPe actively doesn’t want, should be voting Cruz.
If Trump gets shafted and decides to run third party, there is a very real possibility that he will win at least one State and its Electoral votes in the General (first time since 1960 that someone other than the Democrat and Republican candidates will have won any Electoral votes).
If that happens, it is a non-zero probability that NO ONE will earn the 270-vote majority required. That would punt the election to the House of Representatives (for the first time since 1824), where every State gets a single vote, and – in the current Congressional division – that means that 33 States have Republican majorities in the House membership (AL, AK, AZ, AR, CO, FL, GA, ID, IN, IA, KS, KY, LA, MI, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NC, ND, OH, OK, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VA, WV, WI, WY), 14 have Democrat majorities (CA, CT, DE, HI, IL, MD, MA, MN, NM, NY, OR, RI, VT, WA) and three are evenly tied between the two parties (ME, NH, NJ).
With a 33-14 advantage (the three other States cannot change that advantage), the winner will likely be Rubio, and won’t that make the hoi polloi howl!
One of the things that has always pissed me off about the Establicans in Congress is their insistence on being clever instead of effective. Or right.
People who pass up a chance to vote for someone who actually shares their beliefs, because they’re afraid of what other people will do, are indulging the same fear-based decisionmaking we despised in Boehner and McConnell.
Your genuinely preferred candidate may not be electable if you vote for him, but he certainly won’t be if you don’t.
Typo? It was actually 1968. George Wallace won five states.
Indeed, 1968. I thought I had typed that, but when proofing, my eyes just flowed over it without realizing, since it wasn’t a misspelling, just a typo.
My crazy liberal, immigrant, father is all down for Trump. So is my Perot-voting mother, my wife, and my future ring-knocker of an oldest son. Number two son is Rubio or Kashi granola.
Me?
Morris. May not have won in ’88, but he will this time.
feel the john – kasich 2016
At this point, it’s easier to see myself voting for Trump’s reelection than it is voting for him in November.
After all, he my surprise me by not completely sucking.
I am not afraid of Trump. Not first choice but, I can vote for him.
On the other hand Ernst, it may be worth contemplating what happens — supposing the hypothetical you adopt — should he not do what he’s promising his legion of followers he will do once in office? Presumably the current premise is that those followers are deeply angered at a now constant betrayal by their heretofore elected representatives, right? What then, if Trump, who is known to turn on a dime (**I can be anything I need to be**) when he seeing a momentary advantage chooses to just go with the entrenched flow once in office?
Does the anger simply re-double? And what would that look like?
Would they put Trump in a sack with a tiger and some vipers and throw him into the Tiber, as it were?
‘Trump’ should read ‘Trump Magnus’.
NR’s Demand to “Machine-gun” Trump “To the Floor” Is Just Metaphorical (I Hope)
http://www.unz.com/isteve/nrs-demand-to-machine-gun-trump-to-the-floor-is-just-metaphorical-i-hope/
My guess is most of the angry voters go back to believing that politics is bullshit and that there isn’t a dime’s worth of difference between the parties, and revert to being angry non-voters.
Personally I don’t have high expectations for whoever is elected, Republican wise. The country is such a mess, and one man can only do so much. If the next guy can get control of the borders, make some headway on restoring the economy toward something sane, and keep us from a full blown war, I’ll consider him a success.
I’ve always kept in mind, even if we get the non establishment type elected we still have a firmly established congress and bureaucracy he will have to deal with. Ryan and McConnell will still be bought and paid for snakes, and the democrats are still going to be America hating pinko commie fags. I’m thinking the suck will be tenacious for some time to come.
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The problem with voting for Trump in the general is not knowing what you might actually get. The problem with voting for Hillary in the general is knowing exactly what you will get, good and hard. Ain’t that a teeter-totter?
Where’s Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho when you need him?
I early voted for Cruz today at Fiesta supermarket (which is a Houston “mega-store”chain oriented towards hispanics and known for having a big foreign food section before HEB got into that). The ballot has all the people who dropped out on it still because it is an early voting ballot. They gave me a QR code to try and get into the post-primary local district “convention” to see if I can become a delegate for the county or state or even national level.
After voting I got a large one topping pizza at Pizza Patron (basically like Gumby’s, Little Caesar’s, or Pizza Time only aimed at hispanic customers) for $4. Not such a good pie but it cost as much as a Tombstone(TM).
8 voting stalls, two were open when I got there. I showed them a photo ID (aka white privilege) and one of the ladies at the registration table sent me to get her another glass of tea from the little grill/diner part of the store.
And that was my thing I did today in this brave new world of no overtime and rare full time.
Cruz and Rubio have gone nuts on Trump tonight and Trump is not good off script. Kasich and Carson throw in a football or two every now and then. Blitzer wants GOP to kowtow to Telemundo and let them waste 30 minutes of the night.
That debate looked like the leader, with a couple of lap dogs barking and trying to bite his heels only to end up with the taste of shoe leather in their yappy little mouths.
It was funnier than the red neck comedy tour, I don’t care who you are…
And “the leader” looked like a clueless half wit ringer with his pants coming down. It’s a farce.
The debates, thus far, edited for clarity and featuring Mark Levin on keyboards.
I hereby declare that I will refrain from engaging in oppositional behavior in these threads that might drive a PW friend down the trajectory previously described by thor.
It may mean I end up saying nothing at all in these threads until January 20, 2021, but so be it.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-02-27/david-stockman-good-bad-ugly-donald-trump