Because I’m sure it had something to do with the heinous, racist murders of Alison Parker and Adam Ward
The Telegraph has obtained exclusive pictures and video footage from inside the apartment of Vester Lee Flanagan, revealing details of the gunman’s life in the days before he murdered Alison Palmer and Adam Ward. […]
Flanagan prepared for the murder by dumping personal “documents” into several waste bins around the area, the source told the Telegraph.
But he left behind an apartment filled with his personal effects, including photographs of himself during his days as a television journalist and posters that appear to be of male pin-ups.
In a raid on the apartment on Wednesday, police reportedly confiscated a gay pride flag. They also found “many” sex toys, which may have “human material” on them, the source told this newspaper.
In all seriousness, the Balkanization of our nation into numerous, aggrieved identity groups, all rushing to be the most oppressed and victimized in order to lay claim to Government-imposed privileges, isn’t just about cynical politics but has real world consequences in the lives of people who, already mentally compromised, seize the demagoguery masquerading as utopianism.
While the LGBT advocates claim their work is not done and pursue specific protected class status, people like Flanagan find a place to excuse their own personal failings and a community full of people who will nurture their anger towards those they blame.
*Claim victim status
*Eliminate oppressors
*Utopia
Dicentra makes a valid point that should not be ignored.
When a paranoid schizophrenic with a history of violence goes off his meds, you know it: he starts breathing out threats and behaving irrationally. He’ll have that Charlie Manson look in his eye that indicates that it’s gonna end in death and mayhem one way or another.
So when that happens, I’m reliably advised, you can “say something” or maybe just be a better neighbor and tell others to watch out for him. Also, I may have heard of concealed-carry.
Such advice is NOT—I repeat not—analogous to advising a solo hiker to take his cell phone with him into the wilderness area so he can use the GPS or call 911. Pointing out that there’s “no cell coverage out there” (whatever that means) is defeatism. Maybe you can’t get every call to go through but you can get some, and that’s better than nothing.
We are dealing with several issues here, including when initiate to intervention on the part of the mentally ill.
But such intervention is made harder because, when dealing with today’s litigious society combined with protected classes, it is not only harder to fire someone from a protected class but harder to get the real story from previous employers when contemplating hiring them. Previous employers not only won’t comment, some will pretend there was no issue at all.
Dan Dennison described Flanagan, who shot and killed a reporter and a cameraman on live television Wednesday, as a “professional victim” during his time at the station before being fired in 2013. […]
Dennison said the station had no idea of his shortcomings before he was hired there and he had received positive recommendations.
Flanagan’s hair-trigger temper became evident at least 15 years ago at WTWC-TV in Tallahassee, Fla., said Don Shafer, who hired him there in 1999. Shafer recalled Flanagan as a good reporter and a “clever, funny guy” — but said he also had conflicts with co-workers “to the point where he was threatening people.”
“Had some physical confrontations with a couple of people, and at one point became such a distraction that we finally had to terminate him,” said Shafer, now news director with XETV in San Diego.
After stints in California, Florida and North Carolina, Flanagan’s last television job was at WDBJ in Roanoke.
Others who ran across Flanagan after he lost his job at WDBJ described a man increasingly irked by slights more often imagined than real.
Flanagan turned into a nightmare employee, one that WDBJ tried to get him help for his anger and mental health issues.
Innocuous phrases Alison Parker used every day to describe her job may have led to her death, simply because Vester Lee Flanagan thought they were racist.
The 24-year-old TV reporter who was shot and killed by the disgruntled ex-employee on Wednesday somehow angered him by using terms like ‘swinging’ by an address or going out into the ‘field’ while she was an intern at WDBJ. […]
Ryan Fuqua, a video editor at WDBJ, told The Post: ‘That’s how that guy’s mind worked. Just crazy, left-field assumptions like that.’
‘He was unstable. One time, after one of our live shots failed, he threw all his stuff down and ran into the woods for like 20 minutes.’
Trevor Fair, a 33-year-old cameraman at WDBJ, told the newspaper the words Parker used are commonplace but that they would routinely anger Flanagan. […]
‘We would say stuff like, “The reporter’s out in the field.” And he would look at us and say, “What are you saying, cotton fields? That’s racist”.’
‘We’d be like, “What?’ We all know what that means, but he took it as cotton fields, and therefore we’re all racists.’
Since we have come to the point where perception is reality and the intent of the speaker or author is to be discounted, it has become harder to distinguish the use of political correctness to intimidate others and mental issues.
It appears even his own family, while being accepting of his homosexuality, knew nothing of his mental problems.
How we negotiate between Liberty and when it is necessary for authorities to step in when someone is mentally ill will have to be a long, and well considered, discussion. Abuses of the psychiatry in service of authorities, large and small, has a long sordid history.
However, we can start with rejecting the whole concept of protected classes in the law.
The government should be concerned only with the individual citizen. All of them.
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UPDATE: When members of a protected class react
was mentally unstable AND appears to acted out of sense of victimization i have no reason to believe not justified https://t.co/XPbtw36AM7
— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) August 27, 2015
When was it lunatic asylums were outlawed? THAT was crazy.
Were I king for a day I’d open them suckers back up and they would be the only place drugs like Prozac and methadone would be available.
Our whole population is so over drugged it’s pathetic. If someone is homosidal when they are off their meds, they shouldn’t be wandering around in public responsible them self for taking their meds.
I know, I’m a hard ass…
When was it lunatic asylums were outlawed?
Sometime after Louise Fletcher had Jack Nicholson lobotomized, inspiring Will Sampson to strike a blow for freedom against the oppression of The Man, and take his destined place as leader of the Commanche nation.
what a sick little monk. . .er, sorry.
I bet this guy never experienced any real racism in his entire life.
or after
“Abuses of the psychiatry in service of authorities, large and small, has a long sordid history.”
Ah yes, the good old days. Now we must be content with Phil McGraw and his harpy wife. At least his sessions appear to free unless one is tempted to purchase something from said wife’s hypo-allergenic make-up line.
“Dicentra makes a valid point that should not be ignored.”
You don’t say. How one is to recognize “the Charlie Manson glint” (TM) is glibly elided though. As was once said, “If it was easy, everyone could and would do it.”
Sometime a psychotic break is just that.
Gulermo
Nothing is ever perfect – but we cannot make perfect the enemy of the good.
Kelly Thomas is dead because his family was prevented by law of forcibly having him treated for his paranoid schizophrenia. the ACLU had, during Reagan’s tenure as governor, success in turning the mentally ill out into the streets because – well – they have “rights” to live on the street, sh*t their pants and scream at passerbys if they wish. Who are any of us to interfere?
The minimal we could do, in the law, is allow family members the power to have such people committed and to keep them there if they aren’t complying with their therapy/meds.
Something like that may have allowed Flanagan’s employers or others to reach out to his family when their own efforts failed.
I found myself in a similar position — I had interviewed and hired someone I thought was going to be an awesome employee – I had checked references and everything.
said person became an increasing nightmare — everyone against her, talking behind her back, creating a ‘hostile work environment’. Took me months to get her fired (and an almost inch thick stack of paper documenting everything) even though she was in her probationary period.
It was so bad I was on alert for several months after – escorted to my car, taking different routes home.
That this guy hung around for TWO YEARS and then executed Parker and Ward really gets to me.
Because Flanagan is of a protected class, we just cannot dismiss his account of discrimination.
https://twitter.com/sallykohn/status/636910598824050688
#facepalm
“If someone is homosidal when they are off their meds, they shouldn’t be wandering around in public responsible them self for taking their meds.”
Would it be remiss to note that it is unclear, at this point, whether he was medicated or under any form of treatment?
Gulermo
I very much doubt he was under any care. He seems to have slipped through any number of cracks that could have intervened, including a call made on the side to a family member.
Given the set of circumstances, I don’t think anything could have been done to prevent this particular act. Intervention should have taken place by his family when he was first fired for threatening people 15 years ago.
But no one wants to be the Bad Guy and “smear” a black/gay.
It’s like how none of the brass would cop to the problem known as Nidal Hasen.
I see people are asking when ABC will release the full manifesto-screed the murderer left behind.
I suspect that release will come about roughly when the LATimes releases the video of ClownDisaster celebrating Rashid Khalidi’s triumph to occupy the Edward Said chair at Columbia.
“But no one wants to be the Bad Guy and “smear” a black/gay.”
Why not? You quickly approved of someone else’s diagnosis of dis-associative schizophrenia. Unless and until it is known the extent to which the authorities, or the psychiatric community were involved in his life, it’s premature to conclude he was obviously deranged, except of course, for an outdated DSM classification.
“But no one wants to be the Bad Guy and “smear” a black/gay.”
What does one have to do with the other? And what smear, for that matter?
Gulermo
This guy had 15 years of inappropriate and marginally criminal behavior. Yes, I do not know whether he was under care; I only suspect he wasn’t due to the amount of disbelief from his family that he was having any kind of problems. What particular diagnosis of issues isn’t my focus. The man was failing at life for a long period of time.
That ALL of his employers in the last decade & a half passed the buck is tragic but not surprising. Any ANY BadThought directed against a member of a protected class is considered immediately suspicious and worthy of censure.
What does one have to do with the other? And what smear, for that matter? –
see: Nidal Hasan
No one, NO ONE wanted to be the target of career ending “discrimination” against a Muslim accusations.
So 13 people died.
“see: Nidal Hasan”
Not the black/gay thing then?
It’s a protected class thing — black/gay/muslim/trans/etc.
No one wants to be accused of being a SIXHIRB and having their job and/or career go up in flames.
Greetings:
All this has left me quite confused. Is it time to stop the “War on Sphincters” or not ???
“No one wants to be accused of being a SIXHIRB and having their job and/or career go up in flames.”
Pretty much covers everyone, doesn’t it? (And no one) What do you propose as a solution?
Oh no, this time in history is going to be known as the Sphincter Age!
And here I wanted to live in the Cowboy Age…
Greetings:
And with as sincere an apology as I can muster for abusing, once again, your hospitality, is it just me or has the 10th anniversary of hurricane Katrina turned into a tsunami of Bathos for Negroes ???
Admittedly, I can’t watch very much of the approved Media-governmental complex coverage at one sitting, but I don’t seem to have come across any mention of Ray Nagin, former chocolate Mayor of Chocolate City and now Prisoner Numero Uno in the House of the Rising Sun.
And, equally benefited seems to be Mone arie Landrieu, tperhaps he first female governor of the Sportsmen’s Paradise with the most submerged cities in the USofA and whose brother is now mayor of enn ohh ell ay NOLA.
Stalin would, no doubt ,smile.
Gulermo
We have to start somewhere – #1 removed the “protected classes” designation from law/statute.
Make it harder to file frivolous lawsuits – I’m open to “loser pays” to piggyback SLAPP legislation
STOP training supervisors that “perception is reality” … I have to go through that crap every two years (yes my deadline for another round of ‘workplace harassment training’ is this coming Wednesday … several hours and a few brain cells waste of time)
Stop the dumping the mentally ill on the streets cuz RIGHTS crap. No one “chooses” to sleep/crap in doorways & alleys & harass passerby’s for money. Allow families to petition to commit these people to secure behavioral health facilities and to keep them there if they continue to show they are unable to function in larger society.
is it just me or has the 10th anniversary of hurricane Katrina turned into a tsunami of Bathos for Negroes ???
**applause**
Utter failure of local Democrat government but BOOOOSH!!
Compare and contrast: Katrina to Andrew.
>Compare and contrast: Katrina to Andrew.<
no observe katrina, ferguson , baltimore and blm. black mobs unleashed for some kind of political gain.
the proggtarded have used the blacks as their shock troops since 1965
I think Sally Kohn just offered proof that liberalism makes a person crazy.
“Make it harder to file frivolous lawsuits – I’m open to “loser pays” to piggyback SLAPP legislation”
And censure for lawyers that promote such cases?
“Stop the dumping the mentally ill on the streets cuz RIGHTS crap.”
That was the stated reason. but the primary reason was always economics. It isn’t just the cost, as well as, who will pay.
” No one “chooses” to sleep/crap in doorways & alleys & harass passerby’s for money.”
Some choose to do just that, but for many it is the reality of societal acceptance of addiction. Reward aberrant behavior, get more of the same.
as much as not as well as
Dicentra makes a valid point that should not be ignored.
In case it wasn’t clear, those two last paragraphs are me being ironic and bitter about a prolonged and frustrating Twitterspat.
If someone is homicidal when they are off their meds, they shouldn’t be wandering around in public responsible, themselves for taking their meds.
Flanagan may not have been on meds. If has a personality disorder, it’s purely psychological and there ain’t no medicine for that.
Also, there ARE outpatient programs for schizophrenics and bipolars, most of whom are not violent at all.
You quickly approved of someone else’s diagnosis of dis-associative schizophrenia.
Am I the someone else? I said “paranoid personality disorder,” about Flanagan, which doesn’t have an underlying organic cause. It’s not a brain thing; it’s a mind thing. Meds don’t help.
Personality disorders are deep psychological wounds inflicted during childhood. If his family didn’t know he was mentally ill, it might be because he didn’t act any differently that they do.
I mentioned paranoid schizophrenia in the quoted section as an example of another intractably dangerous type of mental illness.
How one is to recognize “the Charlie Manson glint”™ is glibly elided though. As was once said, “If it was easy, everyone could and would do it.”
Fine, I’ll spell it out: YOU CAN TELL.
Assuming you’re not so autistic you can’t read people’s facial expressions.
What’s difficult is explaining to other people WHY you think the person has gone homicidal. “I can tell” is never convincing, nor is “He had that look in his eye.” Sometimes the person breathes out threats but that is easily dismissed as bluster.
I dish out my own amateur diagnoses readily enough but I’m also congnizant of the fact that what *I* think carries zero weight with cops, shrinks, social workers, judges, doctors, family members, and 95% of the Internet.
So you have to get the psycho into a shrink’s office for evaluation.
Good luck with that. The only way with someone who’s truly dangerous is to hire a team of Navy Seals to hunt the guy down, bodily haul him into the office, and hold him down while he foams at the mouth long enough to get a diagnosis.
Assuming that he doesn’t already have one and he’s gone off his meds, in which case God Himself can’t drag him into a shrink’s office.
“Getting people help” is nearly impossible for the most dangerous ones because they’re Dead Certain there’s nothing wrong with them, and anyone who suggests otherwise is In On The Conspiracy or becomes a target for vengeance.
Darleen is right about the system being eviscerated so badly that we’re left exposed to homicidal psychos, while the non-violent schizos are left to roam the streets because they can’t manage to take their meds regularly. Where we used to have the Loony Bin now we have prisons, which are a piss-poor substitute for a proper mental hospital. The crazies in prison are abused and under-treated (if at all).
We so totally suck as a society.
I think Sally Kohn just offered proof that liberalism makes a person crazy
Or that crazy makes a person liberal.
“Fine, I’ll spell it out: YOU CAN TELL.”
You go right ahead. NO I CAN’T. And neither can you, autism, notwithstanding. (With a qualified sometimes). Unless you were treating him as his clinician or you are connected to him in some way, (Are you?), little is known, (at this time), about his psychoanalytic state. What we know is what we are told; by him and the media, which may or may not be accurate and probably shouldn’t be trusted. There may be some clues in his drastic change in appearance, but it’s entirely possible we will never know what went on in his head.
“now we have prisons”
On the up-side they are cheaper and they’re two mints in one. A prison and a mental institution in one. (Sort of).
“We so totally suck as a society.”
As much as I want to commiserate with you, we both know there are places and societies that are much worse. And how terrible is that?
That was the stated reason. but the primary reason was always economics.
Sorry, not really …
Oh, the “it’s cheaper in half-way houses” was just a fillip at the tail end of a sanctimonious rant from the likes of the ACLU about how awful it was to have involuntary commitment of adults who were not
an IMMINENT threat
to themselves or others
This is what happened in California when Reagan was governor and the leftist fuckers blame HIM for the mentally ill on the streets.
… the only connection to economics was that the Left saw a way to use the homeless (note how the “problem” is always in the news only when Republicans are elected) for graft, corruption and a way to seize more government power
It was always politics …
No amount of money the Thomas family was willing to spend to help Kelly was enough because it was never a question of money.
Leftist politics lead to his death. The ACLU is to blame.
“Fine, I’ll spell it out: YOU CAN TELL.”
You go right ahead. NO I CAN’T.
We’re talking about two different situations, here. The “you can tell” is for the violent paranoid schizophrenic who is actually a co-worker or family member or neighbor, someone you’re in enough contact with to look in the face, whose changing behavior you can directly observe (either first break or going off meds), and whose irrational threats you’ve heard in person.
I’m not claiming to have seen the Charlie Manson glint™ in Flanagan’s eyes. If he wasn’t actually schizophrenic there was probably no murderous glint to see. He’d have come across as a First Class Jerk, similar to everyone’s favorite vexatious litigator, Bret Kimberlin, not as someone in a psychotic state.
Unless you were treating him as his clinician or you are connected to him in some way, (Are you?), little is known, (at this time), about his psychoanalytic state
What I’m claiming about Flanagan is that the long-term behavior he displayed—of overreacting to tiny slights, of bearing a grudge for two years or more, of filing complaint after complaint with the EEOC, of being able to pass a job interview well enough to get hired over and over—is a huge tell for the “grievance collector” (or “a href=”https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201304/wound-collectors”>wound collector”), which is a descriptor of particular behavior rather than a diagnosis. (In the article, the author says the dangerous wound collectors have personality disorders as a substrate, especially PPD).
ONLY a grievance collector with a personality disorder (most likely PPD) behaves like that for that long and to that extent.
With mental illnesses and personality disorders, there are certain “tells” that can alert you that something is wrong rather quickly—after seeing the same tells repeatedly or a cluster of related tells, it’s not hard to conclude that a personality disorder or a psychotic delusion is at hand.
Not for the purposes of an official diagnosis that would stand up in court, but sufficient to cogently explain why that person did X and if they’re still alive, what they’re likely to continue doing.
For example.
I pegged Obama as a Narcissist in 2007 after noticing the tells—highly self-referential rhetoric, grandiose but empty speeches, historically significant venues, the styrofoam columns, the two autobiographies before he did jack squat with his life—and nothing he’s done has surprised me since then.
The behavioral patterns of mentally healthy people are wide-ranging and varied; mental illness traps people in distinctive behavioral patterns because it robs them of volition to one degree or another.
Annoyed by my know-it-all attitude?
Fine. Be annoyed.
This is the internet; we all get to be obnoxious jerks.
the “grievance collector” (or “a href=”https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201304/wound-collectors”>wound collector”),
*sigh*
he “grievance collector” (or “wound collector”),
HTML is our friend.
“Annoyed by my know-it-all attitude?”
I guess I could be, if you did. More likely, not.
“Fine. Be annoyed.” Your characterization, not mine.
“we all get to be obnoxious jerks.” Some more than others, it seems.
“Oh, the “it’s cheaper in half-way houses”
Where did this quote originate? Prisons are less expensive to build and operate than at custodial psychiatric facilities, (and they are dual use). Cost of care per patient and effacy of treatments have been the barrier that caused the collapse of state run, long term care facilities.
“it’s cheaper in half-way houses” Only if the treatment is successful, otherwise it’s not equivalent.
Cost of care per patient and effacy of treatments have been the barrier that caused the collapse of state run, long term care facilities.
Again, no.
Wow! 5% of the internet actually cares what you think?
You’re my new hero!
As for identifying teh crazy by sight, just the other day I was finishing up the yard work when I noticed a guy in the street looking around. Since he was standing near a parked semi-truck & flat bed trailer (lot of road and new building construction in my neighborhood this summer; also, I’m just off one of the alternate business roads into the downtown), I thought he was the driver and he was looking for someone or something. So when he starts walking down the street, when he got near me, I made the mistake of talking to him. “You look like your looking for something.” And then he turned to look at me. And that’s when I thought, “Oh shit.” Because I finally saw teh crazy.
He was looking for something alright. But he ain’t ever gonna find it.
Anecdote/data and all that.
Again, what has Ronald Reagan have to do with the economics of long term psychiatric care? You seem to want to discuss history with regard to right left politics. I looked up thread and was unable to find any reference to it with the exception of yours.
dicentra, I agree this looks like a BPD with psychosis fellow rather than a schizophrenic. They are much harder to diagnose, pretty much resistant to therapy if you even get them to accept it, and scary as hell to work or live with. I speak from personal experience.
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by now i think we should’ve more or less learned that these freaky hyperviolent failmeritrash outlier events are bereft of actual meaning
it’s fodder for failmerican cable channels and the fat-ass losers who watch it
nothing more
steve walks warily down the street
Again, what has Ronald Reagan have to do with the economics of long term psychiatric care?
IMHO I believe we are talking past each other.
I do understand the cost of psychiatric care; however, my point was such cost was not the driving factor that dumps and keeps the mentally ill on the streets.
That was pure politics.
I can only speak to California’s prison system. There are five state hospitals for the criminally insane — among them you might recognize the name of Atascadero and Patton. People accused of serious felonies who are held incompetent by the court will be there until ruled competent to stand trial …
which may mean a few months to several years. 1368 hearings on medical reports are held regularly.
Some who are convicted, but have mental issues may be sentenced to these facilities, too.
In addition, all the state prisons have extensive psychiatric programs for prisoners — who are housed in separate wings of the prison and are not in the general population.
County jails don’t have as extensive programs because much of the time their population is weekend/work release terms. There is offered several drug rehab programs, especially for those who keep failing their programs on the outside (e.g. on a violation of probation, defendant may opt to do straight time for 90 days and the Inroads program)
Even our juvie facilities (and I worked 4 years in them) have extensive programs – medical, dental, psychiatric and education.
Yet, with all that there are still the chronically mentally ill on the streets because they “have rights” and unless they commit a serious felony, they will not get any help, no matter how much another person is willing to pay.
“we all get to be obnoxious jerks.” Some more than others, it seems.
I’m definitely a know-it-all. For fun I go onto Pinterest and correct all the bird species misidentifications (and PhotoShop color manipulations. “What a pretty purple bird” they say about a colorized Clark’s Nutcracker).
Some people find that obnoxious; me, I’d PREFER that people correct my misidentifications so that I don’t continue in error.
YMMV.
Yet, with all that there are still the chronically mentally ill on the streets because they “have rights” and unless they commit a serious felony, they will not get any help, no matter how much another person is willing to pay.
The sad thing is that most schizophrenics (or others with mental illnesses) are not violent and only hurt people by accident, such as when they get really upset and someone tries to restrain them, and they flail about with such superhuman strength that people get struck or knocked into things.
It’s extremely frustrating for family members of schizophrenics who go off their meds and wander the streets, yelling at their hallucinations and living in filth, because it’s nearly impossible to get them forcibly committed when they’re not liable to commit a crime.
ON THE OTHER HAND.
I know someone whose family committed her to a mental institution back in the day and pumped her full of Haldol because they didn’t like her behavior. No, she wasn’t setting fires or knifing people—she didn’t want to take over the family business and Rise In Society. They were in the pharmaceuticals field so they had the palanca to chuck her in there and drug her against her will. She eventually got herself emancipated before 18.
And we can’t rule out people being locked up for WrongThink. Not these days. And we know exactly who’d that would be used against.
I’m also really hesitant about forcibly medicating people, because these new-fangled drugs affect people differently, and what makes one person feel reasonably sane (or not in a pit of despair) can be Hell on Earth for another.
Not to mention that Wrong Diagnoses abound and doctors (especially bureaucratized) tend to double down rather than re-evaluate. And if someone wants to live with their hallucinations rather than suffer the considerable side-effects of antipsychotics, they should be able to.
Also, Justina Pelletier.
Fact is, serious mental illness is extremely difficult to deal with. We can be horrified at electroshock therapy and lobotomies and manicomios where people lived in their own filth and were abused by staff and fellow patients. But our system is only marginally better, and that only because we have some medications that work for some people. We seem to have abandoned the model of converting old country manor houses into retreats for the insane, so they’re at least externally comfortable while the demons rage inside them.
Oh, this is interesting: There’s a guy on Twitter who told me about his weird brain thing. At the age of 9 he suffered a traumatic brain injury that destroyed 1/4 of his left hemisphere and tore a bit of the corpus callosum. As a result, it’s unleashed his creative powers (songwriter, poet) but also created a second personality inside him that asserts himself from time to time. He (the primary personality) will feel himself losing control of his actions and then lose consciousness as the Other Guy takes over.
Other Guy is a sociopath. The primary guy often comes back to himself and has to deal with the mess the Other Guy made—destroyed property, job-losing behavior. It’s of course useless to tell people “that wasn’t me, it was my Alternate Personality.” He can’t hold down a job because Other Guy always screws things up (his wife brings home the bacon). And he can’t sleep more than a few hours at a time, often experiencing nightmares.
I dare you to find something in this universe that is crazier than the human brain.
by now i think we should’ve more or less learned that these freaky hyperviolent failmeritrash outlier events are bereft of actual meaning
It’s always fun to watch Twitter light up with Our Side gleefully blaming Shooter Guy’s grievance collecting on #BlackLivesMatter and grievance politics.
Not ironically, to make the Left eat their own words, but In Earnest.
And as our host knows all too well, trying to help those on Our Side stop engaging in Faulty Reasoning doesn’t win you any gratitude.
To say the least.
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blacklivesmatter is puerile george soros astroturf bullshit what amuses him when he’s not banging spicy eurotrash hookers
him and “the donald” have a lot in common really
OYSTERS CLAMS AND COCKLES
here’s a photoshop idea:
desert rat
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045679/
>bad hillarity pic<
!2016!
I, personally, want to flag all bans.
Dicentra, I haven’t read the comments you refer to, but I have a feeling you use “gleefully” in a prejudicial way.
The Black Lives Matter thing isn’t really new, Obama was getting a steady dose of it at church 20 years ago, and the Reverend Wright learned it a generation before that. A large segment of the black population has been indoctrinated in bitterness and hate, and Obama is throwing gas on the fire.
That group that called for whites to be killed in Texas? Probably not crazy. The dude that shot the Texas cop at the gas station? I’ll bet he has a history of insane shit same as the news lady shooter.
It may be true that if it wasn’t because of this it would have been because of something, but when you have the fucking president fueling the delusions of racial torment, who is to say crazies aren’t being encouraged to act crazy?
We are in the early stages of a race war right now, today, smugly denying any connection in this shooting is dangerous if you ask me.
who is to say crazies aren’t being encouraged to act crazy?
Because that’s not how crazies roll: never have, never will. Their motivation is always internal.
But with political activists and fanatics and revolutionaries and thugs and other types hell-bent on bringing the system down?
Definitely. Not every lone wolf (or small pack) who decides to gun down someone, citing political reasons, is a nutcase. It may very well be that the guy who gunned down the cop in Texas was motivated by pure politics.
We are in the early stages of a race war right now, today, smugly denying any connection in this shooting is dangerous if you ask me.
It’s never dangerous to recognize the truth, and the truth is that this guy’s grievance collecting long predated BLM or Obama’s presidency. There’s a distinctive pattern to clinical insanity and personality disorders, and it’s a good idea to learn to recognize them so that you don’t start maintaining a false list of “stuff the other side precipitated” if in fact they did not.
Never hesitate to strike false facts from your list, no matter how sweetly they support your case. Always kill the darlings.
Smugly?
I’d apply that adverb to those who see causality where there is none, simply because it fits a predetermined pattern.
So you’re saying the political environment relating to black victimhood had no bearing on the dude that shot the reporters.
Pretty bold keyboard analysis there doctor.
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So you’re saying the political environment relating to black victimhood had no bearing on the dude that shot the reporters.
Pretty bold keyboard analysis there doctor.
The presence of mental illness/disorder in the shooter ALWAYS RULES OUT linkage to the larger socio-political climate.
ALWAYS.
At most, larger events affect the color of a crazy’s rhetoric, but it doesn’t embolden them to kill any more than the Confederate Flag compelled the Charleston puke to shoot up the black church.
“Going Postal” originates with White Guys shooting up their place of employment. They, too, were grievance collectors but there was no overarching political grievance movement to link it to.
If the guy who shot the TX cop at the gas station was Not Insane, then you can blame it on the socio-political environment.
Otherwise, you’re buying into the LEFT-WING excuse for calling Nidal Hassan’s jihadi massacre “workplace violence,” ostensibly to prevent crazies from shooting Sikhs.
Crazies don’t operate like that, doctor. Crazies operate on a different frequency.
If you connect dots that shouldn’t be connected, you’re using exactly the same bad theories about human behavior that the left does.
>Crazies operate on a different frequency. <
are they crazy? that's a nice label to use for actions you disagree with. the charleston loser saw a different reality, by going outside of the msm narrative and finding his concerns vindicated, whereby black on white atrocities are treated differently then white on black. the roanoke dude has his concerns reenforced daily by the msm. the difference between the murder in charleston and roanoke: roanoke had media peeps invovled.
hey abc release the black gaysters manifesto like the “dylan killer”
“presence of mental illness/disorder in the shooter ALWAYS RULES OUT linkage to the larger socio-political climate.”
Pure assertion. Putting absolutes like “always” on mental illness in all its forms and degrees is ridiculous on its face. So leave your Rebel flag strawman and going postal false comparisons aside and ask yourself, who is easier to manipulate with propaganda, the mentally unstable or the average joe?
Burglars target 96-year-old woman
http://www.wpxi.com/videos/news/burglars-target-96-year-old-woman/vDZJFn/
thee be college material!
For your consideration:
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/08/liberalism_created_the_wdbj_killer.html
Putting absolutes like “always” on mental illness in all its forms and degrees is ridiculous on its face.
Run it by a real shrink, then. Run it by ten. See what they say. Ask them whether external events motivate them more than Teh Crazy inside.
I’ll wait.
that’s a nice label to use for actions you disagree with.
Give me a freaking break.
Crazy has identifiable characteristics, none of which are ideologically based. Show me where I’ve gone around labeling people crazy simply because I didn’t like the cut of their jib.
I’ll wait for that one, too.
Also, if Flanagan were motivated by #BlackLivesMatter, why did he go shoot people he already held a grudge against?
BLM targets COPS. Not white people they already hate, but COPS of any color.
who is easier to manipulate with propaganda, the mentally unstable or the average joe?
The voices IN ONE’S HEAD are always louder than any voices outside of it. If the crazy’s brain tells him Everyone Is Against Me and the entire MSM, alternate media, Twitter, and 20 neighbors insist otherwise, he’s going to stick with what his brain tells him.
Because it’s his brain, and you can’t override your own brain.
Seriously.
Run this very situation against as many shrinks as you can find and they’ll tell you the same thing: Teh Crazee is stronger than external propaganda.
Also, Selwyn Duke is full of it.
Sorry, but there it is.
In case that wasn’t clear enough:
Propaganda affects the ignorant, the inattentive, and the gullible.
The purveyors of propaganda craft their messages with the sane in mind. They anticipate how sane people think and react, not how the unstable and delusional react.
Mental illness is mental illness precisely because people are rendered unable to react to the external world in a normal manner.
Personality disorders are disorders precisely because people don’t process input the same way normal people do.
Everyone who shoots up their old workplace or targets ex-coworkers is settling a personal score, not making a political statement. The whitey white white people who do it have exactly the same psychological profile that Flanagan has.
“Going postal” was coined long before the Culture of Victimhood took hold. Professional grievance collectors were damaged during childhood by the hell going on in their homes, not by Stupid Media Messages.
Black Lives Matter is dangerous. They do have blood on their hands. The Culture of Victimhood has done immeasurable damage.
But Flanagan’s victims cannot be laid at their feet.
And neither can any other victim of Teh Crazee, regardless of which political movement it’s useful to tie them to.
Or are you willing to accept blame when a Red Stater kills someone in the name of the Constitution.
dicentra, you don’t know shit about this guy. You haven’t even seen the manifesto sent to ABC, yet you talk like you personally have been his shrink for years.
If I was out in a crowd of red staters screaming for the blood of whoever in the name of the constitution, and a ‘crazy’ killed whoever, yeah, I’d deserve some blame.
You do not have to be crazy to shoot your co-workers but, it helps
>“Going postal” was coined long before the Culture of Victimhood took hold. Professional grievance collectors were damaged during childhood by the hell going on in their homes, not by Stupid Media Messages. <
so isis are chaps who had a "bad childhood". okey dokey. what you describe as "mental illness" i say that be evil. just like the planned parenthood ghouls dismembering the most innocent amongst us.
The thing that struck me in the videos was the victims’ complete lack of situational awareness. Dude is standing there for a fairly long period of time pointing a gun at them before he starts shooting. No one notices.
I’m watching that and thinking, “What the fuck?”
They were doing a live interview at the time. They pretty much have to block out everything else. Maybe the cameraman coulda picked it up sooner, but if he just glanced over, might have just looked like another cameraman with a sound boom filming. Who knows?
What strikes me is the killer filming the murders. That bodes ill for what we can expect from the disgruntled in the future…
I’m sure, Lee, that the BlackLivesMatter folks were taking notes.
The reporter was focused on the interview as was the woman being interviewed. The camera man was panning the skyline behind them then stopping as he came to the two women.
Of the shooter I noticed that he waited for the camera to be on the reporter before firing though he had the gun out already. He must of wanted the murder to appear on live TV in addition to his own footage for his personal use.
> was the victims’ complete lack of situational awareness. <
is rural virginia a war zone?
lack of situational awareness
another word for that is complacencey. It got a sheriff’s deputy killed last Friday.
-another word for that is complacencey-
is america in a race war?
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is america in a race war?
I don’t think so.
Newrouter wrote: is america in a race war?
I would agree with Ernst: no Race War yet, although the Left is trying to incite one.
But, so far, enough people haven’t joined that cause and, in fact, the blatant actions of the Radical Blacks may be turning-off enough people so that the race situation will not escalate into Helter Skelter.
Like their ice cream, Americans seem to like their Despotism soft rather than hard.
is rural virginia a war zone?Seems to have been a reasonable facsimile for a few seconds.
Being aware of what’s going on around you is the most basic self-defense step there is, war zone or not.
Oops, screwed the pooch on the blockquote there somehow.
“Are we in a race war?”
Kinda reminds me of 2000, when Islam was at war with us, but we didn’t know it yet.
Louis Farrakhan is at war with white American whether you think you’re at war or not
**** Farrakhan said, “I’m looking for 10,000 in the midst of a million. Ten thousand fearless men who say death is sweeter than continued life under tyranny.
Death is sweeter than continuing to live and bury our children while the white folks give our killers hamburgers.
Death is sweeter than watching us slaughter each other to the joy of a 400-year-old enemy.
Death is sweeter.
The Quran teaches persecution is worse than slaughter. Then it says retaliation is prescribed in matters of the slain.
Retaliation is a prescription from God to calm the breasts of those whose children have been slain.
So if the federal government won’t intercede in our affairs, then we must rise up and kill those who kill us; stalk them and kill them and let them feel the pain of death that we are feeling!” ****
Calypso facto.
Sing it out, Invader!
“[From] a speech delivered] on July 30 at Mt. Zion Baptist Church in Miami.”
For those of you keeping score at home.
War?
“Take that, Bibi.”
peace is our value
Spleef.
The peace of Obama
If Farrakhan means a word of what he said, then the Nation of Islam is going to kill more blacks than the Ku Klux Klan ever did.
dicentra, you don’t know shit about this guy. You haven’t even seen the manifesto sent to ABC, yet you talk like you personally have been his shrink for years.
I know plenty of shit about the guy because he’s a textbook example of his type of personality disorder.
It doesn’t TAKE being a shrink or even this guy’s shrink to spot THIS PARTICULAR DISORDER. It’s not subtle in the least: guy who’s easily offended and gets fired for being impossible to work with returns to his workplace and shoots the place up.
Some mental illnesses and disorders require first-hand knowledge of a person’s behavior and sometimes only a professional can discern between the actual multiple personality disorder and the sociopath who is faking it.
FOR EXAMPLE
Blumenthal in Hillary’s emails reveals that Boehner gets smashed every night, something that Glenn Beck’s people have heard from various insider sources.
IMA GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY HE’S A RAGING ALCOHOLIC IF THAT’S OK WITH YOU.
so isis are chaps who had a “bad childhood”. okey dokey.
I often say that Muslims are full of rage because their culture encourages buggering little boys; however, when they also devolve to their degree of depravity, I call it evil, too. Being sexually abused does not force you to do what ISIS does, nor does it excuse it in the least.
what you describe as “mental illness” i say that be evil.
Flanagan’s grievance collecting was mental illness, as was the underlying personality disorder. Murdering the reporters in cold blood on camera was evil. Most grievance collectors don’t turn to murder; they just sue people for a living or spend their lives muttering dark things under their breath.
just like the planned parenthood ghouls dismembering the most innocent amongst us.
I wouldn’t call them mentally ill. I would call them depraved.
Hey, if you want to declare someone a raging alcoholic based on a political opponents email and rumors Beck has heard, knock yourself out.
It’s consistent with recognizing a murderous psychopath by the look in his eyes I guess…
I buy it. Boehner’s alcoholism I mean
Of course, if Blumenthal had called him a raging fairy with a Thai boy toy (assuming that’s a real thing), I would have bought that too.
I mean, the Democrats have to have something over him.
Thai boy toy fetish
outsmarted myself with my own parenthetical