IWonPenPhone sneers, snarks, lies and generally parades all manner of strawmen as he tries cramming the shit-sandwich of Iran Nuclear Treaty Deal down our throat.
I realize that resorting to force may be tempting in the face of the rhetoric and behavior that emanates from parts of Iran. It is offensive. It is incendiary. We do take it seriously. But superpowers should not act impulsively in response to talks… Just because Iranian hardliners chant ‘Death to America” does not mean that that’s what all Iranians believe. In fact, it’s those hardliners that are more satisfied with the status quo. It’s those hardliners chanting “death to America” who’ve been most opposed to the deal. They’re making common cause with the Republican Caucus
Let’s see, the known parts of the deal to reward Iran for bad behavior includes: No American will be allowed on inspection teams, 24 day notice of inspections, Iran retains the right to appeal any inspection prior to it taking place, no military facility will be inspected and non-nuclear weapons (including ICBMs) are exempt from inspection.
Yet, anyone who questions this deal is nothing but a racist, warmongering, evil, don’t-love-America obstructionist hack (and possibly a dual-loyalty JOOOOO).
Obama is not, and has never been, A Good Man.
Obama is a lying sack of shit.
When in the summer of 2009 the decent Iranians only wanted out from under the ruling repression of the Mullahs with Khomeini’s absolutist regime founded on velayat-e faqih, when they rose as the Green movement to oust their tormentors, asking the ClownDeceptor “Obama! Are you with us or are you with the Mullahs and the IRGC?”, he answered them: I am with your jailers, peasants. Bow down with me to them.
And now ClownDisaster speaks of the decent people of Iran as if they are their own oppressors; those religious tyrannical oppressors with whom he negotiates the permanent enslavement of the decent life-loving Iranians (along with the enslavement of wide swaths of the rest of the Middle East, Arabs foremost among them) who detest their despotic regime.
This man has no shame. Even now as he meets with success he cannot tell the decent Iranians he only intends to punish his own nation and its former allies, and perhaps sooth the common Iranian’s injuries by means of an appeal to a familiar misery loving company. No. Instead he taunts them. He must lie to them even now. Well, they have surely learned never to expect an honest word from such a man as this. They have seen him many times before in their midst. For who among the Iranians is not familiar with their tyrants?
It’s those hardliners to whom you’re handing the bomb.
Party like it’s 1938
If this deal goes through, we’re going to find ourselves in the same situation vis-a-vis Iran the the Roosevelt administration found itself in vis-avis the Germans and Japanese at the beginning of Roosevelt’s third term:
i.e., waiting for the overt act needed to give us just cause to wipe the dictators off the face of the earth.
Damn shame we’re probably going to lose a city though.
I think we’ll lose more than one city. New York would be a great target, of course, but Long Beach, CA would probably be more damaging since so much trade traffic goes through it.
Don’t we properly think the deal has already gone through? I mean, I cannot see what is to stop it in any practical sense. It’s a done deal, in other words, even if at this point the Grand Ayatollah should decide to walk away. For if he does decide that way, he walks away having achieved his every desire, does he not? Sanctions lifted. Money flowing in, economy soon to be on the rebound delivering many multiples of the funds sanctions relief can immediately give. Political legitimacy conferred. Regional hegemony granted. Domination of Iraq in the bag. Assad assured of preservation, along with Hezbollah and Iranian domination of Lebanon. Turkey checking the political aspirations of the Kurds to independence. Israel isolated and abandoned by the United States, even abandoned by prominent Jews in the Congress and Senate, as well as among the progressive rank and file. Putin and the Chinese given a free hand to stir trouble in the region, diverting attentions from their own predations elsewhere. What’s lacking? Complete repudiation of the old Arab allies? Hell, that’s soon enough to come.
On the bright side good ol’ Lurch just gave Congress the best reason for rejecting the deal.
what sdferr said.
He still can’t come up with much more than the “It’s my way or war” false dichotomy.
Regional hegemony is likely to be contested between Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Iran, so we should probably add regional nuclear arms race to sdferr’s list. It’s possible that a stable but uneasy equilibrium would result from that, to everybody’s benefit.
It we weren’t dealing with fanatics and millenialists, that is.
I second what sdferr said. Effectively, it is not necessary for this deal to be approved.
>it is not necessary for this deal to be approved.<
thanks mitchy and corker!!11!!
There was a reason I left the nuclear question out of that description, or at least I think it wasn’t an accident that I did: this is because the aim of the deal wasn’t primarily to do with the nuclear question, but the nuclear question was to do with achieving the actual aim, namely, alliance with Iran, and the concomitant reversal of all other previous US alliances, making enemies of friends and friends of enemies. But of course, ClownDeceptor could not and cannot to this day speak the truth of his aims. Those must remain a blackbox to the Americans, who would certainly disapprove should they understand it. They’re selfish, the Americans, and do not like to needlessly suffer: they like to make other peoples suffer. Therefore they must be deceived about their destiny. The Americans don’t know what is good for them, and this deal, as ClownCalamity has said, is good for them. It gives the Americans the justice they so richly deserve.
Obama is NOT incompetent, not stupid, not gullible, not Neville Chamberlain.
This deal is exactly what he wants; the results that you and I fear are FEATURES, not bugs.
Why people won’t watch the other hand and count THAT as what he’s about — rather than listening to his damnable rhetoric — is beyond me.
In this scenario, those who think Obama is a fool instead of a knave are the Chamberlains. Obama is the Hitler, taking Czechoslovakia and the Sudetenland without firing a shot.
Iran’s nukes are Dachau.
Money flowing in, economy soon to be on the rebound delivering many multiples of the funds sanctions relief can immediately give.
I don’t know that the Iranian people will benefit much. Muslims eschew usury, so those whose assets are frozen are more likely to spend that money on palaces and weapons than invest it.
This will end with several smoldering craters on the face of the earth. I’m half-hoping I’m at the bottom of one.
I think he’s more Ribbentropp*
or maybe Molotov.
Depending on who repudiates the deal and attacks the other first.
*McGehee made the analogy first, for the record.
This ends at a place called Meggido.
It is well to recall that the IRGC and Quds force directly control many enterprises and economic actors in Iran, to say nothing of their control of the nuclear portfolio. That is, these military institutions control primary elements of the Iranian economy which the Mullahs have not retained to their own exclusive control, which latter are also quite substantial. Interpreting Allah is a lucrative business, after all.
I asked the Lying Sack of Shit Anti-Defamation League not to send one of their more hot-headed members to your doorstep, and they assured me they would not.
Therefore I would advise you answer the door with a fire extinguisher for the next few weeks. They are liars, after all.
I may have been the first to use it here. I’m sure had seen it at a couple of other places I cannot now remember.
I’m angling to be nominated for vice president, y’see.
Oh hey.
My own personal Instalanche.
That’s kinda heartening, isn’t it?
-Perhaps it’s time to re-examine the idea – dismissed so easily in 2009 – that Obama is The Beast From The Sea.
-Multiple Antichrists are mentioned in several Books of The Bible and I maintain that, if the prophecies are true, then they are the various forms of Ideology.
I apologize to Lying Sacks of Shit everywhere for claiming Obama is one of them.
Thing about end-of-days prophesies: they don’t seem to include the sons of Ishmael (Muslims) nor the western hemisphere.
I looked for references to the Ishmaelites making trouble, and there’s nothing. Gog and Magog are Russia and Persia only if you squint a bit (especially for Russia).
The Jewish calendar has 250 years to go before we reach 6000 years since Adam.
I think we can chalk this latest up to Typical Human Iniquity. Hitler wasn’t exactly mentioned, either, nor were Mao, Stalin, etc.
Nor Attila the Hun. You see what I mean.
One of the heads of the beast had a mortal wound but the wound was healed, causing people to wonder and follow the beast.
I don’t think we’ve seen this yet. Obama hasn’t fixed jack—quite the opposite.
As for the Antichrist being an Ideology, I’d put Ideology firmly in the camp of Idolatry, which, I guess the Antichrist wields it handily enough, but I don’t think we’ve got an embodiment of Antichrist running around—the spirit of anti-Christ, surely—but not the personage or semblance thereof.
No one knows the time or place.
I think we have a ways to go before G-d hits the reset button.
I’m not sure if that was even English.
Just “way” I guess.
*** Now, as the campaign enters its second year, there are signs that this awkward alliance may be fraying: militia threats of renewed attacks on U.S. personnel, a greater U.S. effort to bolster Sunni forces that are traditional adversaries of Iran and accusations that the U.S. air campaign has at times targeted Shiite forces. ***
Nyah . . . . . PresidentIVotePresentAndWonPenPhone hasn’t made US forces in Iraq easy hostages or targets for the Iranian Mullahs, their IRGC, Quds Force, or Shia militia. Certainly not. He wouldn’t do that. Never in lifetimes upon lifetimes would he do that. See, he only wants what’s good for Americans.
See there!? PresidentIVotePresentAndWonPenPhone says so, right there on CNN! He would never anticipate failure, because he doesn’t fail, peons.