Whenever Obama engages in policies that he knows are not in America’s best interest, he blusters and threatens …
Obama said. “I strongly believe that our national security interest now depends on preventing Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon, which means that without a diplomatic resolution, either I or a future U.S. president would face a decision about whether or not to allow Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon or whether or not to use our military to stop it. […]
“I welcome a robust debate in Congress on this issue, and I welcome scrutiny of the details of this agreement,” Obama said. “But I will remind Congress that you don’t make deals like this with your friends.”
Obama said that the deal “is not built on trust, it is built on verification.”
The agreement, which was finalized in Vienna, would lift international sanctions on Iran and permit it to continue key elements of its nuclear work, as well as research and development.
Iran will be permitted to continue spinning centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium, the key component in a nuclear weapon. Western powers will also work with Iran to help it install and operate more advanced centrifuges, according to those apprised of the deal.
This concession—as well as a range of others made by the United States—has rattled analysts and lawmakers, who have maintained that Iran should not be permitted to retain the core aspects of a nuclear program.
Sanctions also will be lifted on Iran, including those on the country’s banks and financial sectors, which have long supported Iran’s nuclear program as well as its sponsorship of international terrorist groups.
In one of the most controversial concessions made by the Obama administration, a United Nations embargo on arms will also be lifted within around five years as part of the deal, according to multiple reports. A similar embargo on the construction of ballistic missiles, which could carry a nuclear payload, also will expire in around eight years under the deal.
Initial readings of the deal also indicate that Iran will be given the right to veto so-called “anywhere, anytime” inspections of Iranian nuclear sites. This concession has caused concern that Tehran will be able to continue hiding its nuclear work and potentially continue in secret along the pathway to a bomb.
Obama has outdone (again) Jimmy Carter in the “I haven’t met an enemy of Western Civilizations I don’t like” Department.
Rev. Jeremiah Wright must be bursting from his vestments in pride today: his chickens have finally come home to roost.
In order to indicate the sweep of error as people reflect on PresidentIVotePresentAndWonPenPhone’s unilateral accomplishment, I note that we can see a headline at The Right Scoop which reads “The deal is a Historic Mistake — Netanyahu Responds to Nuke Deal Announcement”.
And indeed, Netanyahu says in a tweet: “When willing to make a deal at any cost, this is the result. From early reports, we can see that the deal is a historic mistake.”
But stop.
This isn‘t a mistake in the sense that it doesn’t achieve what it was desired to achieve. Quite the contrary, it gets ClownDeceptor everything he had hoped to get. Of course he has had to lie (generally speaking) about what he hoped to get all along, whereas his private aims are perfectly aligned with the outcome.
And yet, even Netanyahu, who cannot afford to deceive himself regarding the truth of the matter, cannot speak the truth of the matter. He must pretend that ClownDisaster wanted Iran kept from nuclear weapons, as would any conventional American President.
For Netanyahu well knows that hardly anyone would believe that ClownCatastrophe designed just this end: an enriched, empowered hegemonic nuclear threshold Islamic Republic of Iran.
So everyone can go on dreaming their fantasies, never once questioning their own assumptions about what the ClownEmperor wishes to achieve. Pretend ClownDisaster wants something good for America — rather than the punishment of America and her old allies, and the boon tides befalling America’s avowed enemies in the Middle East. All in all, it’s quite the con job. Monumental even, in that respect.
Amidst all the horrors of contemporary international relations we continue to see one simple-minded reference after another to the 1938 Munich Peace Conference — a terribly mistaken analog for the betrayal completed by the America hating ClownDeceptor regime today, when the much better analogy is so close at hand in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. The Americans refuse to see, cannot even imagine what has just happened. Isn’t is a shame to them that they cannot recognize their own peril? What a stupid and corrupt nation this has become. Can it be any wonder that the nations of the world despise her? Where once that despising was for envy of her greatness, now it is for disgust at her pathetically gleeful self-destruction? O folly raised to art.
But Molotov at least *gained* something for The Soviet Empire. Kerry-tov has gained nothing for Marshal Obama. And if Kerry-tov thinks American forces “on a regular basis, and with the approval of all levels of command, raped, cut off ears, cut off limbs, attached field telephones to human genitals and turned up the power…..and razed villages in a fashion reminiscient of Jen-Jiss Caan….”, what does he think the Iranians do?
I still am thinking this is Leftist Whitey Guilt giving us a bad treaty. And the British appeasers of the 1930’s probably had their guilty leftists too, thinking they had to appease Hitler because of Colonial Guilt.
Or should we go back to ol’ Benedict Arnold for a treasonous example?
But Molotov at least *gained* something for The Soviet Empire. Kerry-tov has gained nothing for Marshal Obama.
Stalin made trade in raw materials with Hitler’s Germany, and in the bargain aided the Einsatzgruppen in their slaughter of Jews on the Eastern Front.
ClownDisaster will gain many things: already has (not least that he gets praise from Americans for what he has done).
England was passive, and certainly didn’t actively build the Nazi war machine. ClownDeceptor is active, already having ceded lands and weapons to the Islamic Republic. Deliveries of F-16s to Iraq (which the IRGC controls) were made yesterday, while ClownCatastrophe’s airforce already performs as close air support for Shia militias in Iraq and Syrian forces opposed to ISIS. Iraqi Hezbollah ranks are in possession of M-1 Abrams tanks and M113 apcs with approval, for cryin’ out loud.
(not least that he gets praise from Americans for what he has done).
And the cheering crowds of dupes and sheeple cheered Neville Chamberlain on the tarmac of Heston Airport (the Heathrow of those days). History is sad indeed.
Meanwhile, the Brits, when they fully mechanized their armed forces in 1935, sold their now surplus horses to–you guessed it–Germany.
England poured 400,000 troops onto the continent to help defend the low countries and France — remember Dunkirk? That’s who the Brits were pulling out. ClownDisaster removed troops from Iraq so that Iran could take over, while he put an arms embargo on Israel in the midst of its last fight with Hamas. Doesn’t look like England to me.
A deception that pervades all reporting on this “negotiation” is one that is also used , by the left, domestically.
When a mayor, a city council, a school board “negotiates” with a government employee’s union it is reported as if these two entities are adversaries when in fact they are partners working together to fleece a third party that has been led to believe its interests are being served by one of the negotiators.
This third party is known to the ones colluding as the “suckers.”
The funniest thing I had read so far this morning is that Obama would “veto” any pushback from Congress, since Congress is the only body with the power to approve international treaties like this. Then I remembered that Tom Cotton had pushed through a bill that would turn things around, such that the deal was approved even before they finished negotiations, and which would require a 2/3 supermajority to turn down.
This allows those Democrats – as many as 12 – in swing states to claim “Hey, I voted against it, but those folks in the majority party just overrode me.” That is even assuming you could get all 54 Republicans to take such a principled stand. If there were a 13th Democrat, I have zero doubt that “Maverick” McCain or one of the Maine sisters would abstain or something, denying the supermajority, and giving Obama his legacy. Anyone care to wager which cities will be hit with that legacy? Or how many megadeaths will be touted up?
Suckers indeed: a nation of chumps, actively willing their own destruction, twice electing to the highest office a man who hates everything that nation formerly stood to represent. And here we have Curmudgeon insisting that Neville Chamberlain, a weak, possibly deluded if nevertheless genuine patriot to his own country somehow resembles this con artist who designs (and achieves!) nothing but his own nation’s humbling and punishment for its sins. What folly.
England poured 400,000 troops onto the continent to help defend the low countries and France — remember Dunkirk? That’s who the Brits were pulling out. ClownDisaster removed troops from Iraq so that Iran could take over, while he put an arms embargo on Israel in the midst of its last fight with Hamas. Doesn’t look like England to me.
We can argue that the Brits and Frogs should never have pulled out their post WWI garrisons in the Rhineland, but anyway, I am looking at a more recent historical analogy: Who lost China / Iraq?
Tailgunner Joe, despite his alcoholism, was right–there was a whole 5th column in the State Department, backing the “agrarian reformers” and “who saw the future” in the Soviet command economy. And that 5th column was in Hollywood, and in academia.
And now that 5th Column is even more entranched, and in the Oval Office.
And here we have Curmudgeon insisting that Neville Chamberlain, a weak, possibly deluded if nevertheless genuine patriot to his own country somehow resembles this con artist who designs (and achieves!) nothing but his own nation’s humbling and punishment for its sins. What folly.
I insist on no such thing, although I do see parallels between the deluded and the treasonous, in terms of results at least.
If anything, like I said, let’s advance the analogy a decade. Tailgunner Joe was right.
Isn’t that Bob Corker?
Or to put it another way, what was the difference between the “anti-anti-Communism” of the liberal Democrats of the 1970’s and pro-Communism? As far as the South Vietnamese and Cambodians were concerned, there wasn’t any.
What was the difference between the “Nuclear Freeze” disarmament crowd, who were scared to death of Nuclear War, and the Noam Chumpskys and Howie Zinners who wanted Soviet victory?
As far as the Soviets were concerned, nary a difference.
And this Obamunist, and his minions, were schooled on “anti-anti-Communism” and Nuclear Appeasement.
I don’t just call them Demunist Commiecrats for pizzazz.
And today they are “anti-anti-Jihad”, as Bush The Younger, who they have defined themselves against, was anti-Jihad.
And the poor saps in Iraq who actually showed their purple finger votes and who backed the USA have suffered will suffer.
Anyone care to wager which cities will be hit with that legacy? Or how many megadeaths will be touted up?
Tel Aviv, Haifa and Ashdod. The entire Middle East will end up radioactive from the Israeli retaliation.
It will not be contained to just one region. The “Three Conjectures” are being unleashed.
Do the Jerretts like the Clintons have a …”Foundation” , you know, established to help the needy poor folks and fight aids and such.?
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bipartisanship!
that’s how you do a genocide, boys!
Israel you fucked up
you trusted us!
Oh c’mon! All youse guys are being way to hard on the kindest warmest bravest most wonderful human being to grace the White House with his light working presence.
After all, doesn’t anybody remember how Hitler’s ambitions were tempered after he realized France and England just wanted to be friends, and besides, this regional hegemon shit was damned hard work, what with the way they choked on the Anschluss and occupying the Czech and Slovak parts of greater Sudetenland? All that responsibility made him realistic about his foreign policy goals. The Democracies and the Dictatorships all got along, because we realized at the end of the day, we all want the same sort of things.
Thank God we have a Neville Chamberlain in the oval office. Just imagine how things would be if we were stuck with a Victorian throwback like Churchill!
/millenial generation pubik Skrewel Gradyooate
Secular leftists have accused American Christians of supporting Israel as a way to (you should pardon the expression) immanentize the Eschaton:
And yet here we see the progs arming what can only be seen by such Christians as The Enemy in the Armageddon scenario.
In Afghanistan the Taliban is killing ISIS affiliates wherever they find them. This will be trotted out as proof that ISIS and the Taliban could never possibly work together, any more than Islamist, Shi’ite Iran could ally with “secular” Ba’athist Sunnis in Syria. Kind of like how Communists and Nazis could never agree on anything.
Molotov and Ribbentrop declining to comment, of course.
George Santayana, on the other hand, is clawing at the inside of his coffin and screaming at the top of his lungs.
In Afghanistan the Taliban is killing ISIS affiliates wherever they find them. This will be trotted out as proof that ISIS and the Taliban could never possibly work together, any more than Islamist, Shi’ite Iran could ally with “secular” Ba’athist Sunnis in Syria. Kind of like how Communists and Nazis could never agree on anything.
Molotov and Ribbentrop declining to comment, of course.
Tricky Dick and Kissinger knew how to play one baddie off against another. Ohbummer and John Effing Kerry, nope.
Shouldn’t ‘nope’ be ‘dopes’?
Why consider the Grand Ayatollah a baddie when he is the best of allies? Hence, again, there is no reason for the ClownCatastrophe administration to cede its considered opinion to the opinion of the ignorant masses — and every reason to keep its considered opinion to itself.
With respect to sdferr, I think it goes beyond dissent. It’s treason.
Or beyond stupidity to the point of treason.
I think it goes beyond dissent. It’s treason.
That’s good to you Curmugeon, you are coming along to a position I have held here at pw for years now. Woe, until the rest of the Americans open their eyes.
That’s good to you Curmugeon, you are coming along to a position I have held here at pw for years now. Woe, until the rest of the Americans open their eyes.
Like I said, where does “anti-anti-Communism” or “anti-anti-Jihad” end, and pro-communist or pro-Jihad begin?
It isn’t necessary to complicate the simple mind of the ClownDisaster with all manner of anti-anti or pro-this or that constructs. These don’t rule his mind. His self-sufficiency, his knowledge of the truth are more than enough to build upon. He seeks justice to be done to the horrific American enterprise. It needn’t be made any more complex. And he is quite successful in his endeavors, not least because Americans never saw him coming.
Po-TAY-Toe, Po-TAH-Toe. :-)
Perhaps. On the other hand, I would seek crystalline clarity as to ClownDeceptor’s aims, whereas partisan-polititalk- gobbledygook, I think, only adds obscurity, and possibly, aids his action.
Sdferr’s point is clearer if you read Ramirez from right to left.
Just in case anyone missed it earlier.
The scenario I envision is a two pronged attack, a EMP attack on us, and a nuke on Tel Aviv.
Collusion with China and/or Russia to invade the U.S. inmediatly after the EMP might be in the cards too.
However it plays out, it ain’t going to end well.
The scenario I envision is a two pronged attack, a EMP attack on us, and a nuke on Tel Aviv. Collusion with China and/or Russia to invade the U.S. inmediatly after the EMP might be in the cards too.
As much as I distrust Tsar Putin and the Party running Red China, I don’t see them in cahoots with the Iranian mullahs.
Tsar Putin’s goal is to reannex the “near abroad”, particularly where large populations of ethnic Russians still live, and rebuild the Old Russian Empire. Iran’s goal is to unleash more jihadist regimes. In Central Asia, these two goals clash hard.
I could see Tsar Putin taking advantage of the crisis Iran causes and the distracted Obumble regime to annex Ukraine however.
Likewise in China, they have Uighurs and other Muslims in their western provinces, which they don’t want Iran stirring up.
I could see Red China taking advantage of the crisis Iran causes and the distracted Obumble regime to annex Taiwan however.
Because they, two unobservant religious men, understood the fallen nature of Man and that everyone, to some extent, is bad.
The Unicorn Prince and Neville Kerry think they’re exempt from sin.
I’m in agreement with Curmudgeon: the mullahs are fanatics — Putin and the ChiComs are merely gangsters.
The problem is Putin and the ChiComs think they’re dealing with fellow gangsters rather than fanatics. Sure, it’s to their short term advantage to make Persian headaches for us in the middle east, but what happens to them in the long term if we were to lose in the medium term?
The options:
1. IWon and Lurch are so stupid that they think this is a good agreement.
2. IWon and Lurch know it’s a bad agreement but figure they’ll be out of office before it hits the fan; ergo, not their problem.
Did I miss anything?
Read Mirengoff who makes a fine show of the conventional wisdom on ClownCatastrophe’s dealings (incompetence, not malice). Mirengoff cannot begin to suppose Rev. Wright’s famously bellowed aphorism “No! Not God Bless America: God Damn America!” is at all a serious position dear to the heart of PresidentIVotePresentAndWonPenPhone. Impossible.
Nope, Mirengoff is perfectly happy to buy ClownDisaster’s window dressing, i.e., that ClownDeceptor actually expects the Iranian Republic to change its stripes, rather than to keep to them and deliver the body blows the ClownEmperor knows will come.
It’s one thing to overlook the possibility. It’s quite another to bury it.
As per my link at 11:38am.
Where you, and I see words and an intent that puts meaning into them, he and others see nothing but egret tracks in sand.
It’s one thing to overlook the possibility. It’s quite another to bury it.
Where you, and I see words and an intent that puts meaning into them, he and others see nothing but egret tracks in sand.
Be this Obamunist Ohiministration full of Traitors (being blunt) or Naifs (being charitable and using understatement), *will it really matter if we get nuked*? See your “Three Conjectures” above.
Did I miss anything?
option 3: IWon and Lurch know it’s a good agreement precisely because it is so bad for the United States, and there’s very little that can be done to undo the damage even after they’ve left office.
Fundamental Transformation in action, baby.
All that blood and treasure we’ve spent in and on Iraq since 1991? Just earnest money.
Based on…?
They’re many things, but one thing Putin and the ChiComs aren’t, is dumber than O and Kerry.
” *will it really matter if we get nuked*?”
Only to the survivors. And then only to those among the survivors who care to understand why we were nuked, were we to get nuked. Later, to those future historians seeking to explain how the most prospersous, powerful nation in all of human history allowed itself to be nuked.
Note that certain assumptions are indicated in the framing of the query. Assumptions that future historians may not share. At all.
Lee Smith: Obama Strikes a Deal — With Qassem Suleimani
I just have a hard time thinking a rational actor would expect an irrational actor to act rationally. Thus is it really in Putin’s and the ChiComs interest to support the Iranians?
Maybe Putin thinks he’s smarter than Stalin. Who can say?
Surely Putin understands his nuclear forces are an order of magnitude more powerful and trustworthy than Stalin had available. He, as well as the Grand Ayatollah, understand that he wouldn’t hesitate to obliterate the Islamic Republic if the necessity arose. The Chinese are not much different in that respect, I’d wager.
Round about way of saying I think Putin and the ChiComs have miscalculated their interests, whether they recognize the Mullahs for the fanatics they are or think of them as fellow gangsters.
Kredo: *** The United States and other world powers will help to teach Iran how to thwart and detect threats to its nuclear program, according to the parameters of a deal reached Tuesday to rein in Iran’s contested nuclear program.
Under the terms of a deal that provides Iran billions of dollars in sanctions relief, Iran and global powers will cooperate to help teach Iran how to manage its nuclear infrastructure, which will largely remain in tact under the deal. ***
Stuxnet, Ayatollah? Oh, no problem: here’s how you get rid of it.
I wonder if those conservatives who were too conservative to vote for Romney last time are regretting their non-vote a little?
That’s Romney’s fault. If he’d have wanted to be President bad enough, he would have lit his hair on fire.
And the way Congress fell all over itself trading away the Senate’s Constitutional Perogative to Ratify Treaties, just so politicians in both chambers could get their very serious opposition on record* has me thinking the conservatives who stayed home were right to stay home. I may be one of them next year.
*used to be “this things so bad, the President can’t even bring it before the Senate for a vote” was a real thing on the evening news –but then used be the evening news was real news too.
Follow-Up On Donald Trump Election Bid -VS- The Professional GOP Machine…
If the choice in 2016 is Shrillary or Jeb, I’m writing in Bugs Bunny.
Earlier today the thought Biden/Clinton defeat Bush/Christie flitted through my mind,
followed almost immediately by President Biden Suddenly Dies UNEXPECTEDLY!
Of course the italics were better when they were just in my head.
i like the strategy of going full trump into fla. then dump trump for your favorite candidate thereafter. make !jeb? sad.
You know what, newrouter? I’d bet !jeb? likes that strategy too.
Let us not forget, everyone, when talking about the GOP Primaries coming in 2016, what happened at the Republican Convention in 2012:
http://thecampofthesaints.org/2012/08/28/the-spot-on-quote-of-the-day-235/
>I’d bet !jeb? likes that strategy too.<
well it is an Operation Chaos for the gope
>I’d bet !jeb? likes that strategy too.<
if rubio/bush lose fla kinda blows out their value in a general election.
I’ll bet Jeb would prefer Shrillary winning over some of his “fellow Republicans.”
Bill & Opus 2016
Why not the weirdest?
operation chaos 2016
Trump Takes Lead In National USA Today Poll – Trump 17% / Bush 14%…
well it is an Operation Chaos for the gope
Only if the goal of this Operation Chaos is to keep the opposition to Bush from coalescing around anyone except a populist demogogue full of bombast and fury, signifying nothing newrouter.
Yeah, it’s too bad that none of those are included in the “agreement.”
Good luck with that oh wondrous “Dowager Empress of Chappaqua.” Only the Iranians and Obama can run in your pack of liars as equals.
The finest vaporware will be a big hit among the weak minded in DC. Faking solidity just long enough to pass, then poof it’s gone.
>nly if the goal of this Operation Chaos is to keep the opposition to Bush from coalescing around anyone except a populist demogogue full of bombast and fury, signifying nothing newrouter. <
bush/rubio suck in iowa,nh, sc. fla is the gope place to show. eff them there then 46 primaries to go
Whose going to have the money to go deeper if Trump keeps sucking up all the oxygen?
Jeb is who.
Are Bill and Opus old enough? I don’t think so.
Bugs/Foghorn Leghorn (for the southern vote) 2016!
Would it be out of line for me to tell ya’ll the phrase ‘suck the oxygen from the room’ has become so over used its like fingernails on a chalk board?
Probably just me, sorry. Carry on.
I say if the other candidates can’t keep up with Trump, they better set their hair on fire or something. I think new router is invested in a theory that Jeb hasta win Florida or he’s done. He had a link and everything.
>Whose going to have the money to go deeper if Trump keeps sucking up all the oxygen?
Jeb is who.<
!jeb?/rubio lose fla they/he is toast.
Or maybe it was if Jeb takes Florida he’ll be almost impossible to beat.
Something like that, I don’t rember exactly.
>a theory that Jeb hasta win Florida or he’s done. He had a link and everything. <
because jeb/hillary have fire in the belly
The oldest playbook in existence.
>Or maybe it was if Jeb takes Florida he’ll be almost impossible to beat<
nah romney took florida but santorum gave him a run. with 16 candidates the big money has a problem.
The “or something” would be to coopt Trumps issues in a way that doesn’t appeal to the lowest common denominator; preferably before Trump so poisons the well that only a self-financing multi-millionaire can run on border security/immigration reform and withstand the criticism.
Granted, the Left is going to do what the Left is going to do, but it would be nice to hear a serious Republican candidate talk about the border and the problems caused by immigration in an adult manner. Trump doesn’t do that. (Neither does Bush, btw.)
> Iran’s nuclear program will be under lock, key and camera 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. <
if you like your un inspector you can keep… the lies are "fast and furious" these days
“We now know how the Obama administration and its friends will sell the deal with Iran: lie. “
There’s the NR crowd feigning shock, dismay and sadness at how the Left operates, again; as if you could point to an example where the administration and its
friendscourtiers (royalty doesn’t have friends) didn’t sell the deal by lying their collective ass off.At least I hope it’s feigned. It’d be too damn depressing were it sincere.
“it would be nice to hear a serious Republican candidate talk about the border and the problems caused by immigration in an adult manner. Trump doesn’t do that.”
Personally I think Trump sets just the right tone. We don’t don’t just have problems caused by immigration, we have a full scale invasion going on. The Mexican government puts out pamphlets on how to take advantage of us. They are sending criminals like its Cuba all over again. We are very close to becoming a bi-lingual nation like Canada, and our social welfare and emergency rooms are packed to bursting.
Some blunt talk is way over due, you ask me…
Iran got everything it wanted and the a mess of pottage we get in return is a ball spiking photo-op and a victory lap.
That’s if we’re lucky, of course.
Which, we’re not.
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Come on, Ernst, we’ll have a nice blast when the EMP comes!
‘Iran Got Nuclear Weapons & Money
And I All I Got Was This Lousy Hair-Shirt’
Everything old is so new again.
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I like Andrew Klavan’s take. Or, at least as much of it as I read on Instapundit:
We been trying to win back our country that way for nine years, and we’re so far down the rabbit hole now people are just happy (not fearful) that someone…anyone, is speaking the truth.
Gotta say though, if you aren’t fearful of what’s going on you’re in denial.
No. actually, we haven’t been trying to win our country back that way. We’ve been arguing that we’d do a better job of managing the decline, as Jeff is wont to say.
Oh, I thought you were talking about us TEA Party types the the stinking establishmentsrians.
*not* the stinking establishmentarians…
I like this guy’s take. http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/210670/?show-at-comment=1552110#comment-1552110
KaiserDerden has a good one too.
“Trump kicks open the door on immigration and jobs and the best and the brightest on the GOP side spend 2 weeks complaining about his footprint on the door instead of running thru the open door and hammering the Democrats on the issues …”
To be fair, it’s not like the media is interested in delivering challenging questions to Hillary from Walker (just to pick a name), but for cry’in out loud, all these guys shoulda piled on the issue.
Trump would have ended up looking like someone just stating the obvious.
That guys an idiot. We’ve got a House run by a fake conservative, a Senate run by a fake conservatie, a Supreme Court run by a fake conservative, so what’s the answer? elect a fake conservative president! Yeah. That’ll right the ship.
That said, I agree with this: “People like a fighter. If you don’t like Trump, then be, or back, a better fighter.” I’ve tried to argue as much, albeit inadequately.
KaiserDerden is not an idiot.
That said, I think we can multi-task on parallel issues. Trump rightly points out that we have an immigration problem/Trump is a phony and a (political) grifter, a really gifted one who could sell snow to Eskimos to be sure, but a confidence man nonetheless.
Well, I’m not going to advocate for Trump beyond what I already have, but neither will I be ashamed to support the guy while he is saying what needs to be said.
Remember, no fear…
“but it would be nice to hear a serious Republican candidate talk about the border and the problems caused by immigration in an adult manner. Trump doesn’t do that. (Neither does Bush, btw.) -”
Take Teh Cruz!!!
“nah romney took florida but santorum gave him a run”
Santorum hit his waterloo at the Florida debate by getting flustered when Romney’s allies ganged up on him. He allowed his mask to slip and said: “sometimes you have to vote against your principles.”
Cruz missiles generally don’t miss their mark and they ain’t defensive in nature.