Or, if you prefer, Gruber 2: Stupid and Stupider.
I outlined yesterday how I believe a GOP truly committed to the wishes of those it purports to represent would go about building strong, bi-partisan grassroots support for repeal — and laid out the tactics and strategy that could pin Obama and many vulnerable congressional Dems into a corner.
As Gruber’s new lie, that he spoke off the cuff and wished to walk the comments back, is shown by subsequent videos as but the next iteration of hoping to take advantage of the “stupidity” of the American voter (though it’s worth noting, not a single Republican voted for the ACA, and the “wacko birds” on the right flank of the party have been pushing for repeal ceaselessly, even as the establicans have signaled their comfort level with much of the law), the task for the GOP becomes even easier: by splicing together the various instances that are no doubt going to start surfacing of Gruber boasting of having fooled the dull-witted electorate (who, it needs to be pointed out, make up the Democratic Party base), and running beneath them a concise subtitle message speaking to transparency, the rule of law, and representative government — perhaps peppered with condemnations from, say, Trey Gowdy — the GOP could then force Obama to veto repeal bill after repeal bill under the shadow of what it’s architect admitted was a giant scam, a ruse, a lie, all of it designed because for the left, the ends justify the means.
The Democrats have already begun to counter by seeking to airbrush Comrade Gruber from its legislative history — another in a long line of useful idiots who have since found mashed under the treads of Obama’s progressive bus and its single, forward gear.
It is all well and good to issue press releases or go on shows seen only by news junkies. But if the GOP were serious about its campaign promise to repeal ObamaCare, they’ve been handed the material necessary to do so — and in the process, show Obama as the obstructionist and harm, in the process, Hilary Clinton, who can likewise be tied to ObamaCare, or at least to nationalized health care.
Will they do it? Probably not.
But that doesn’t mean, say, the Koch Brothers and other big name libertarian and constitutional conservative donors can’t finance the very ad campaign I’ve suggested. It beats pouring money into the coffers of a party or candidate who, in the end, tries with remarkably tenacity to maintain the status quo, regardless of what political party it putatively favors.
I’ve been thinking that this isn’t news to me, that we’ve known this for awhile now, and why is this considered “new” information.
Then I realized: This revelation is new, namely that Gruber admitted the confusing language in the bill was deliberately inserted so as to dupe us hicktarded rubes that infest our Betters’ food production lands. What I was thinking of was what’s going to SCOTUS in Halbig, the videos where Gruber makes his “speak-o” about the intended recipients of subsidies.
So we have known for awhile what Gruber and, by extension, the Obama administration and Congressional progressives think of us. It’s just that now we know more of it.
Unfortunately, I think the lesson the left will take from this is that video recorders are evil and should be banned. At least if it’s pointed at a member of the favored elite.
Gruber writes [lofo] “books” too.
Buy it, or look inside at Amazon.
Some folks, who should know better, will always be unwilling to consistently recognize flaming red flags.
flaming red flags?
Not only anti-communist, but homophobic as well.
For shame.
And it looks like we have video #3
Rush was ripping on that MSNBC “interview” a bit earlier.
The media is so in the tank for the Left that they enjoy being in on the lie as much as masterminds like Gruber enjoy lying to the rubes.
See, this is why I can’t buy Kennedy assassination theories, or faked-moon landing theories or any of that other conspiracy non-sense.
This guy can’t shut up about how they pulled the wool over the eyes of idiot voters everywhere. Yet I’m supposed to believe the fact that no credible evidence of a conspiracy has ever been presented simply goes to show just how vast the conspiracy is.
– The truth is out there Ernst. Unfortunately the American electorate wouldn’t know the truth if it was stapled to their faces.
– The Left feels perfectly safe in outright mocking and admitting their perfidies because the citizenry is oblivious to anything more complicated than this weeks over/under on the NFL or NBA.
…..Which, you know, is just one more reason not to have a coronary over what is painfully obvious. We deserve the fucked up Progressives, we just don’t care.
All this reminds me of this Steve Martin bit:
Whew! You know why people can get away with stuff like that? I’ll tell you exactly why people get away with that. Because the public has a short memory. That’s why all these big stars do these crazy, terrible things and two years later they’re back in the biz, you know. ‘Cause the public has a short memory. Let me give you a little test, okay? This is my thesis — the public has a short memory and, like– How many people remember, a couple of years ago, when the Earth blew up? How many people? See? So few people remember. And you would think that something like that, people would remember. But NOOO! You don’t remember that? The Earth blew up and was completely destroyed? And we escaped to this planet on the giant Space Ark? Where have you people been? And the government decided not to tell the stupider people ’cause they thought that it might affect– [dawning realization, looks around] Ohhhh! Okay! Uh, let’s move on!
Don’t forget the NHL, BBH!
If we want people to accept the truth about the progressive movement and their desire to control all aspects of our lives, we’ll have to make a superhero movie about it.
With fart jokes. Gotta have the fart jokes.
Our only hope for the ad campaign Jeff suggests is some private citizens having the Will to fund it and carry it through as far as it needs to be.
And I see the main purpose of the ad campaign to be helping us get the necessary support for a Convention Of The States. The national government, so infested is it with Leftist Cancer Virus, is a lost cause at this point. Our Article V effort is the sole hope of avoiding violence and/or effecting a separation of several of the Several States.
My extensive readings of primary source material from, roughly, 1760-1776 over the past two years have convinced me of this.
I am starting to think that Gruber’s brothers Hans and Simone had better morals.
Speaking of stupid Americans, check out this piece by J Effn Kerry.
Our demonstrably stupid Secretary of State agrees to a handshake agreement with China regarding cutting back on greenhouse gas emissions. Exhibit A of whom Mr. Gruber was referring to.
For exhibit B, I point you to the comments section of the NY Times J Effn Kerry oped. I first looked at the reader comments selected by the Times, and, no surprise, the Times went with the hosanna John Kerry comments.
I then checked the “reader selected” comments, thinking there was a chance there might be a bit more balance. Nope, more hosannas for an unenforceable agreement.
I have to give Gruber his due and admit that he has a point.
You’re looking at this the wrong way. This isn’t about global warming or reducing green house gasses. It’s about creating the appearance of an agreement in order to justify more regulation and constraints on economic growth.
Because Leftists like growing the regulatory at the expense of the economy. It’s a win-win you see.
I think most of us that are not too stupid understand that some folk are dumber than others, we just don’t exploit it. Unlike Mr. Kerry who sounds like he would endorse knocking down old ladies and stealing their purse.
And the theories, even more so.
Saw a heating-and-air service van today with a bumper sticker: “9-11 Was An Inside Job.”
Won’t be calling that company to service our HVAC.
Funny, I saw a service vehicle (something computer related cant recall exactly) about a month ago with the same sort of bumper sticker. I guess they have to be in business for themselves because who would employ them or want to work with them?
McGehee, perhaps you could hire the HVAC company as after dinner entertainment? Then, after they complain, you could give them the standard quizzical look and ask “you mean the bumper sticker actually represents your views and isn’t advertisement?”
I was going to say something about calling the company and letting them know why you wouldn’t be calling them to employ their services, but then bgbear pointed out that only a self employed idiot would put something like that on a service vehicle.
Maybe the guys a subcontractor? Or whatever you’d call an hvac technician who had to provide his own work vehicle.
I suppose that’s another way of saying self-employed though, isn’t it?
“Last Resort.”
Strong personalities own their own businesses.
One of the long established locksmiths in town used to play pro-life lectures at a good volume in the shop. Brave for liberal Santa Cruz, CA. However, it was back in the 80s and 90s and I do not recall the left being so looney about abortion back then. They disagreed with the “religious right” but, I do not recall anyone saying you were “anti-woman” if you were pro-life.
used healthcare system salesman aren’t very honest are they?
[…] As he points out in a follow-up post from today: […]
Not everyone can be as trustworthy as used car salemen you know.
Or as ethical as pornographers, for that matter.
At least used healthcare system salesman aren’t politicians.
proggtardia news
Howard Dean: Obamacare Created by ‘Elitists Who Don’t Fundamentally Understand the American People’
Towards Jeff’s thought they may as well make hay out of the fact that they can name bills.
The “Obama Thinks You’re a Fool and a Serf Act of 2015” would be fun to watch vetoed.
Or, maybe, “Everyone Who Worked on and Enacted the ACA Was a Damn Liar — I mean, c’mon they’ve all admitted it now — Act of 2015”.
Maybe, “The First of Many Retorts to a Petulant Man-Child Act”.
shoot the messenger news
>“Consultants for former Texas gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis warned the campaign in January that it was heading for a humiliating defeat on Election Day if it didn’t make changes quick, according to a memo obtained by the Texas Tribune. The campaign took that advice and made one change in particular — it fired those consultants.”<
link
We knew that this phase of ACA was only the lead act for what’s coming next, a full-fledged single-payer platform that is the Left’s wet dream. Howard Dean’s phony outrage is a first sweeping of the stage. Obama will be unwillingly forced to play the Democrat’s best fall guy evah. Hillary will stumble (or be shoved, more likely, because she is mightily toxtc), setting the stage for another magical mystery unicorn to ride to Rube USA’s rescue, if not in 2016 then 2020 for sure.
The Democrats won big with Obama; there’s the act they will be desperate to repeat..when their time is right again. Events are certain to break desperate in the next years (months?), so Dems will likeky cede the GOP the Oval Office 2016 so as to prepare for a breakout 2020.
If this Republic can limp through one or two more Decembers, that is. And that’s iffy, less than 30% likely I’d guess.
>If this Republic can limp through one or two more Decembers, that is. And that’s iffy, less than 30% likely I’d guess.<
Nancy Pelosi: That wasn’t a wave
i say reality for the win.
“A Time for Choosing” by Ronald Reagan
Mark Levin tonight…
–These ‘pieces of you know what‘ masterminds who have tenure at universities, the last refugees of the old Soviet Union, and their political puppets, they should thank God every single day that we are a peaceful, law abiding people. Because this is what revolutions are made of ladies and gentlemen…I’m not kidding. This is what sparks rebellions.
-Mentioned Also: tarring and feathering, Mitt/Romneycare, rebellion, those who go to Washington and ‘make peace with Tyranny’.
-Come on, Mark, take the last step: go OUTLAW.
http://therightscoop.com/mark-levin-this-is-what-revolutions-are-made-of-im-not-kidding/
Thank you, Protein Angel.
This is all part of the pattern started in 1787.
http://revisedhistory.wordpress.com/2014/11/12/was-liberty-the-real-end-not-hardly/
Somebody (North, Galles, Benson Jr.) left out the part about stealing all the tribal lands between the Appalachians and the Mississippi.
– Opps, he did it again…..
– Apparently ‘Grubner the stupider of Nottingham’ has a third instance of explaining just how crooked the Left is and how cattle prod dumb the electorate is. I don’t have a link at the moment but they were showing it on FOX a few minutes ago.
– Also this and this.
– At what point does all of these revelations begin to actually poop on the Progressives parade? (Those that are left actually since millions will now start to claim they never heard the word before.)
– She’ll be cummin around the Grubner when she comes.
– Landrieu is fighting for her life and running away from the Democrats engroup, pushing for the XL pipeline now of all things. Last weeks results must have her wetting her depends.
Luckily she “lives with her parents”, so at least she’ll have someone around to change her…
I’d love them to name a bill “Sign If You Love Jesus And Are The Smartest President Ever, Veto If You Faked Your Birth Certificate And You’re Really A Muslim”. Just to mess with him.
There’s truth in this mapanalysis, much to the chagrin of leash-holding “gentry liberals”..
Yes, They Will
needseed another Unicorn.OK, back in the day when Roberts fucked the dog and birthed this pile of shit, Jeff and I had a short scuffle in the comments because I thought that Roberts had it right, that the O-care mandate was meant to be a tax, specifically to be a tax, and even though the language of the law was meant to obfuscate the fact that it is a tax, it is no more not a tax than a giraffe is not a giraffe if you call it an ass. That’s not to say Roberts couldn’t have shut this trainload of dicks down, just that the reasoning he had behind using this information to uphold the mandate was, taken on its face, correct.
What Roberts failed to realize is that though he assumed there would be electoral penalties for engaging in this type of deceit, there really isn’t. When this Gruber jackass goes on record with his opinion that the American voter is an imbecile, he’s also correct. The American voter will, in fact, vote for the privilege of being fucked in the ass with a spiky telephone pole, as long as it’s lubed with the promise of someone else’s money.
The only way to reverse this is to legislatively reduce Congress’ power to tax. The only way to do that is to start a new country on an atoll in the Pacific and quickly develop nuclear strike capability.
Who’s with me?
I was on Jeff’s side back then, LMC, and still am.
If Congress enacts something as “not a tax,” the courts rightly should take Congress at its word and examine the enactment on that basis.
Furthermore, if the individual mandate penalty were a tax, the bill containing it was constitutionally required to originate in the House. Thus there is no way for the law to be constitutional.
Therefore, by finding the law constitutional, Roberts violated his own constitutional duty no matter how you look at it. He ought to be impeached for it.
Wow..teensy, tiny snowflakes! And not even Thanksgiving!
Had a thought whilst shoveling the driveway..
..seems that with Barky daily dragging down Democrats’ prestige (acting all nicotourettes’ in China; being deftly placed amongst in Old Wives’ Club for photos), some taciturn “gentry liberals” might wistfully eye another role for him..
First thing Republicans should do when they convene next year? Superfund the Secret Service.
I’m not saying he couldn’t or shouldn’t have killed it for other reasons, but they had passed taxes called licenses, penalties, fees, etc… before and those were found constitutional.
I still think he was too smart by half, playing teacher to a bunch of fuck-ups who didn’t want to learn. He assumed that once he “outed” the tax the public would rise up and fix the problem. Instead, the GOP nominated Romney and re-elected Obama. Mitch and Boner aren’t going to change a damn word of that law, and neither will any of the new guys. And Congress now has the power to tax you if you don’t buy something.
That would be the fix, to limit Congress’ power to tax by defining “economic activity” to mean actual economic activity.
Serr8d wrote: First thing Republicans should do when they convene next year? Superfund the Secret Service.
It wouldn’t surprise me if The Jarret Junto is considering the Martyr Option because I’ve been getting the feeling lately that they’ve watched way too many movies and TV shows and have come to think the World works like what they see in them. I mean, it seems like we’re living in a Rob Reiner movie or Aaron Sorkin show, except the fourth acts are always being taken over and written by Nemesis. Hence, the embarrassing serial FAIL’s.
In which house did those bills originate?
The Constitution prescribes process, not outcomes. That’s because process matters. Progressives want outcomes by whatever means they find to be necessary. Roberts ratified an outcome with criminal disregard for process.
[…] Serr8d wrote over at Protein Wisdom: […]
I know McGehee, but that’s not the question that Roberts was answering.
LMC
Remember when I told you it was a tax.
Re: that map of the political future:
Rush Limbaugh made a really good point about that map to a caller earlier this week or at the end of last week.
And that point is: half of the country’s populace live in those tiny spots of
cancerblue.If inactivity isn’t the activity of doing nothing, how will Obama be able to represent the voters who voted by not voting?
Why do you hate Democracy and Freedom?
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/choice-2012/the-frontline-interview-jonathan-gruber/
Right. He was answering a question neither side’s lawyers had asked in their filings or arguments. Which made the answer he gave, firmly outside his authority.
i see a pattern news:
TIMOTHY WIRTH: We called the Weather Bureau and found out what historically was the hottest day of the summer. Well, it was June 6th or June 9th or whatever it was. So we scheduled the hearing that day, and bingo, it was the hottest day on record in Washington, or close to it.
DEBORAH AMOS: [on camera] Did you also alter the temperature in the hearing room that day?
TIMOTHY WIRTH: What we did is that we went in the night before and opened all the windows, I will admit, right, so that the air conditioning wasn’t working inside the room. And so when the- when the hearing occurred, there was not only bliss, which is television cameras and double figures, but it was really hot.[Shot of witnesses at hearing]
Watch the Frontline video here. [UPDATE: The Frontline video has gone missing, but here it is on YouTube]
@geoffb
do you have the link to my you tube upload of jeff g’s hot air video?
found it here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8zzQbNvdg&feature=youtu.be
I know McGehee, but that’s not the question that Roberts was answering.
– The oldest liars trick in the book. Pelosi did it today. When your ass is grass on what ever is being discussed deflect by answering unasked questions.
– To wit; When she was asked to explain Grubmangate she launched into a two pronged pile of deflecting bullshit. First off she said she never heard of him, then she said “he didn’t help us write the bill.”
– The Left will lie without batting an eyelash, they are all a pos. Back in 2009 she admonished reporters who were daring to ask policy questions about Ocare by lecturing them that they should be reading Grubman’s technical inputs on the bill. But she doesn’t know him.
– Progressives should all be summarily shot.
Sorry nr, I was doing something else for a while. I have the video on my HD but not the link. Now however I have bookmarked it so I will have it if needed again.
And so the “why” of why didn’t the Republicans and Romney go after Obama and Obamacare hammer and tongs is revealed publicly.
I said at the time of the decision that Roberts was right. It is and always has been a tax, but they lied about it being one. Their lies don’t change the fact that it is and always has been a tax. The question was not whether it was what they sold it as.
I’m going to say this again, slowly, and leave it alone hereafter:
It wasn’t passed as a tax, therefore the Court had no business treating it as one.
Failing to grasp this obligation on the judiciary over the years (long before Obamacare) has contributed at least as much to our present predicament as anything else we argue about around here.
What would it have looked like if they had “passed it as a tax?” It would be the same damn thing. They just wouldn’t have lied and it wouldn’t have passed.
Or, if the Court was going to declare it a tax, they should have overturned it since the law originated in the Senate and not the House.
Gee, if only we’d listened to Rick Santorum more and worried less about getting his icky god-botheriness on ourselves.
So what was Gruber paid to do?
From Ace.
Video #5?
Gee, if only we’d listened to Rick Santorum more and worried less about getting his icky god-botheriness on ourselves.
Sometime in the last generation or so the USA stopped being a Christian nation, in the name of inclusiveness. Wasn’t fair to the secularists, Muslims, queers and Buddhists you see. Plus the (relatively) new discovery of a wall separating church and state (never mind the traditions of presidential inaugurations with a hand on a bible or congressional sessions beginning with a prayer to Jesus Christ) along with the modern notion the founders placed no weight on Christian faith at all, but rather an ancient Greek inspired idea of modern natural law.
So now we live in a country resting on a foundation of philosophical multiculturalism. Christianity is regarded no better than any other belief system, worse than many, and has no place in public regardless.
A fine sowing of the wind it’s been. The reaping is shaping up to be a humdinger.
On the “Cadillac plan tax,”
I just remembered that I’d read about the MIT Economics Dept. before in relation to the Obama administration. Posted a comment about it back in 2012. The links to the two pieces quoted are no good anymore but these, link1, link2, should work.