May 9, 2014

Yes. But we STILL think law enforcement should have the “ultimate authority” over who can arm themselves.

“STAND AND FIGHT! Detroit Grandmother/Carry Permit Holder Shoots Her Way Out Of Ambush With Concealed Handgun”.

This is, of course, the kind of story the anti-gun left doesn’t want you to hear. Which, too bad this woman wasn’t aborted, I guess:

Her siblings now jokingly call her Rambo.

However, Paris Ainsworth easily could have been killed. Her attackers shot her four times, but she had eight bullets for them.

“If I wouldn’t have had my gun I would be dead today,” she said.

It was late Saturday night when she arrived home after working a double shift. She saw two men moving closer to her as she was about to get out of her car. Before she got out, she put her .45 caliber handgun in her pocket.

“He said, ‘Don’t pull it,’ and he shot immediately,’” said Ainsworth.

She was hit three times in the side and once in the hand. It was not her shooting hand.

“I said, ‘You mother (expletive),’ and pulled out (my gun) and started shooting. One, he was right in the middle of the street. The other one was right here on the (side of the street),” she said.

Ainsworth waited on a neighbor’s porch until EMS arrived.

“I kept applying pressure to my side and where the blood was coming from,” she said.

A police source says the two men were arrested after showing up wounded at Sinai-Grace Hospital in west Detroit, the same place where Ainsworth was being treated. Ainsworth had shot one of them in both of his legs.

“I’m extremely proud of her because she was able to return fire back. She had something to protect herself. If she didn’t, she would be dead,” said Ainsworth’s sister, Twila Ainsworth.

Paris Ainsworth has a faint scar and a strong memory of a mugger hitting her with a gun 10 years ago. Two years ago, she got a concealed weapons permit.

“This is ludicrous, the way that they are just robbing and trying to take stuff from people, and killing people,” she said.

She praises Detroit police for the help they gave that night, but she is convinced that law-abiding citizens need to protect themselves.

Nonsense. The police arriving with the chalk outline and a roll of tape is far more preferable than this woman having taken a stand and protecting her own life.  It’s far more civilized, you see, to die for a cause cloistered liberals who have no inkling of how firearms actually work decide to champion, often from the safety of their own gated communities.

Living, if it means having to fire a weapon?  Is just so gauche.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 12:36pm
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Comments (65)

  1. Can you imagine shooting a woman four times, and her response is to shout “You muthafucka!” and return fire?

    I’d crap my pants!

  2. Did the cops take her gun as part of their investigation? If so, will she get it back?

  3. Gun control is the theory that it is morally superior to find a woman dead in an alley, raped and strangled with her own pantyhose, then it is to have the woman explain to the police how her attacker got that fatal bullet wound.

  4. Gun control is about making wards of the state.

    A free person forcibly disarmed can no longer consider themselves free.

  5. I was thinking about the police shooting that serr8d posted.

    Do many LEOs support gun control because they are afraid of getting shot. Do they want to make sure that any armed person who they may shoot is breaking the law (as they say if all guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns).

    I know these are not the only choices but, I am cynical enough today to not have any room for benefit of the doubt.

  6. They want gun control because they know if they are armed and you are not, they will always get what they want, even if it isn’t latter ruled to be legal.

  7. I think there are two types in law enforcement. The idealistic that really believe in “to serve and protect”, and the control freaks that are drawn to the job like a pedophile to teaching grade school. It’s the second type that prefer an unarmed populous.

    Unfortunately, I also think the job eventually corrupts most of the idealistic ones same as DC does to the most politicians. There develops an “us and them” mentality.

    The answer of course is the same for both. It’s the nature of the beast, so it’s best to keep the beast as small and limited as possible. Too bad both are instead growing monstrously.

  8. The lesson for those bad guys is, don’t bring a pea shooter to a gunfight.

  9. You mean, she was touch by not just one Bullet of Instant Death, but four of them? And she didn’t die??

    Somebody tell the hoplophobics who think a 30-round magazine equals 30 dead people, or more.

  10. She had a 1911 loaded with hollow points and hit what she was aiming at? I’m in love.

  11. We’ll have to agree to share her then, Mueller.

  12. *looks up hoplophobe* Good one.

  13. I’m still aghast at “Moms Demand Action” telling women not to fight back against rapists.

    I seriously don’t think that’s the kind of action most Moms are demanding.

  14. What those moms demanded was inaction. “Lie back, close your eyes, and think of Mike Bloomberg.”

  15. Ick… I’m not sure even Mrs. Bloomberg thinks of Mike Bloomberg.

  16. Actually, the Detroit Police Chief is one of the Good Guys.

    If more citizens were armed, criminals would think twice about attacking them, Detroit Police Chief James Craig said Thursday.

  17. Why on earth did she get out of her car? If it were me, and even if I was armed, I’d just drive to a safe place and then call the cops. Did carrying a gun give her a sense of empowerment and let her make a choice she would most likely not have made had she been unarmed? I own a gun, and know how to shoot it, but her actions were reckless.

  18. Did carrying a gun give her a sense of empowerment and let her make a choice she would most likely not have made had she been unarmed?

    She was arriving at her own home, and was ambushed by two armed men. If she had been unarmed, she “would most likely” be dead right now, her car stolen and chopped to pieces, heaven alone knows what kind of damage or loss done to her home and property, and the killers still walking around.

    Is that a better outcome in your worldview?

  19. The woman is Annie Oakley, for Pete’s sake. Hit two moving targets after she’d been shot four times.

    Everyone in jail will laugh and point and beat the shit out of those punks.

  20. The article said she saw two men coming toward her BEFORE she got out of her car. I’m all for self defense, but again, she was reckless in her actions. It would have been a different matter had she reached her door and THEN was attacked. At that point, shoot away. There is nothing shameful about running away from a potentially deadly situation. In our gun training sessions, our instructor would only let us shoot from 3 yards and then at 7 yards. Any further away he says to run, unless you were trying to save another life.

  21. The article said she saw two men coming toward her BEFORE she got out of her car.

    At her own home. Which the article ALSO points out. And that the man fired before she ever got out of the car, and long before she ever displayed any kind of lethal intent towards him (other than removing her pistol from her car to carry it into her home).

    Do you think that he would have refrained from using his own pistol against her if she hadn’t had any means of returning fire?

    There is nothing shameful about running away from a potentially deadly situation.

    If she were at a shopping mall, or wandering the streets, sure. But she was arriving home. She was on her own property. Your decision to retreat from your own property is yours to make, but you cannot call her reckless for merely attempting to walk from her car, across her property and into her own home. If the man had not opened fire, he might have gotten away.

    They initiated the aggression long before she chose to respond. They chose, as the saying goes, poorly.

    In our gun training sessions, our instructor would only let us shoot from 3 yards and then at 7 yards. Any further away he says to run, unless you were trying to save another life.

    Your instructor is serving you poorly if those were your only options. (Most indoor ranges allow for 15 and 25-yard targets, and outdoor is even farther.) Anything within seven yards will allow an attacker to close on you and kill you long before you could possibly draw a weapon to return fire, even if the attacker has nothing more lethal than a board with a nail driven through it. Or does your instructor teach you to have a gun in your hands at all times?

    Once more, she was on her own property, intending to peaceably enter her own home and was under no duty or obligation to retreat from others. They initiated the gun play with no warning and if she had not had a means of driving them off, she would have been dead, her property stolen and/or destroyed and her murderers free to commit other crimes against other innocents. I ask again, is that somehow a better or more moral outcome in your worldview?

  22. “she was reckless in her actions”

    Sounds Monday morning couch quarterback to me.

    You don’t know the tactical situation she was in. She likely decided attack was emanate and preferred not to be pinned in her car.

    Regardless, if her actions were reckless, it was only because not enough assholes are being shot during their crimes.

    I don’t think she was reckless, she was being responsible. You should thank her for making an attack on you just a little less likely because of her actions.

  23. >“she was reckless in her actions”<

    yea after being shot don't shoot back einstein

  24. > In our gun training sessions<

    you don't live in detroit miss muffin

  25. _______ _____ is concerned.

  26. I’ll take a ‘C’, Pat…

  27. All I am saying is that she had another option, which would have resulted in her not getting shot, and potentially killed. Nothing that I own is more important than my own life. She could just as easily driven away and avoided injury and possible death. So what if it was at her own house? Would it be any different if she was visiting a friend? Should she still have exited the safety of her car, guns ablazin’? Like I said, I’m all for self defense, and I have no problem with guns. She was reckless for leaving the safety of her car to confront two armed men. And my instructor is a qualified trainer (deputy) who conducts gun safety courses for the public. Gun ownership should come with some sensibility.

    I’m tired and you’re refusing to see my point. Going to bed, have church in the morning. Have the last word, please.

  28. yea after being shot don’t shoot back Einstein”

    That is an inaccurate treatment of lilida’s argument. Which was, given the choice to confront or flee the woman should have fled.

    Often good advice, but hardly a rule.

  29. Just how safe do you think a car is against people shooting at it?

  30. >I’m tired and you’re refusing to see my point. Going to bed, have church in the morning. Have the last word, please.<

    you be stupid so yes. eff your mosque

  31. >Which was, given the choice to confront or flee the woman should have fled.<

    stand your ground loser. my moe damn property.

  32. you asshats do #hashtags for kidnapping christian girls. eff off losers

  33. >All I am saying is that she had another option, which would have resulted in her not getting shot, and potentially killed.<

    you are an asshole. and mendaciously stupid or idiot or proggtard

  34. All I am saying is that she had another option, which would have resulted in her not getting shot

    Retreat was NOT an option. He started firing at her even before she got out of the car.

    She saw two men moving closer to her as she was about to get out of her car. Before she got out, she put her .45 caliber handgun in her pocket.

    “He said, ‘Don’t pull it,’ and he shot immediately,’” said Ainsworth.

    She was not even given the chance to determine whether their intent was peaceful or not before they started shooting her. Four times she was hit before returning fire, according to that story. Do you think he would have held fire if he saw her starting the car again to get away? Or if she had placed nothing more than a can of pepper spray or air horn in her pocket instead?

    And my instructor is a qualified trainer (deputy) who conducts gun safety courses for the public

    Ask him if he trains his fellow deputies to wait until a possible threat closes within three yards before responding. Or even seven. See what he says.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tueller_Drill
    http://www.patc.com/weeklyarticles/21foot_rule.shtml

    And since she was on her own property, she had no duty to retreat, since by rule of law dating back to the English common law, “a man’s house is his castle, and each man’s home is his safest refuge.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
    http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/view/news.asp?articleid=1576&zoneid=100

    You keep dodging the question, I note. I want you to state, for the record, that you believe her death is a better outcome than defending herself against armed men who ambushed her and initiated violence with no warning. If you dare.

  35. > She could just as easily driven away and avoided injury and poss<

    so could of the black thugs proggtard "white priviledge" loser

  36. I want you to state, for the record, that you believe her death is a better outcome than defending herself against armed men who ambushed her and initiated violence with no warning. “

    I want a seaplane and an island to fly it to, I guess we all have our own thing.

  37. The failure of yours to happen is merely a lack of resources. The other is a display of moral cowardice.

    I just wanted that moral cowardice on display for all to sneer at.

  38. eh, I’d chock it up as “a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing” type of a situation myself, as in, more knowledge would help. Sneering is just mean.

  39. We are beset all around us by a nation of morons.

  40. Wow. I’ve been civil in my comments. Can’t say the say about a few of you here.

    Too bad some of you can’t accept a different opinion without saying some ugly things.

    It’s been fun, for the most part, Jeff. You are an outstanding writer, and I come here to (hopefully) learn something new now and then.

    Good luck to you. I wish the best for you and your family.

  41. . She could just as easily driven away and avoided injury and possible death. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=53651#comments

    You’ve obviously never been to Detroit.
    She was getting out of her car. Not just sitting in it. She had no way of knowing what they were up to until they started shooting.

    An automobile is not protection against a gun unless you’re hiding behind the engine block and even that isn’t safe. Just ask your cop friend.
    It was her decision to make. Not yours.

  42. If not a concern troll, at least an eager Monday-morning quarterback.

    The pistol-packin’ grandma is alive and the thugs are in jail. I can’t promise I could have returned fire as effectively with four bullet holes in me and I hope I never have to find out.

    Lilida should save her moral outrage for people who try to rob old ladies at gunpoint.

  43. Seated-in-a-vehicle = sitting duck. When facing a gunfight, and you can’t immediately stomp the gas to escape, GET OUT OF YOUR CAR.

    Seriously.

    When rolling up on a potentially hot call, lots of police officers will unbuckle before the vehicle is even stopped. This is so you can quickly bail out and get the car between you and the threat. When seated in a vehicle, your mobility is restricted, you cannot fight effectively, you cannot create distance, drawing a weapon is more difficult, and the bad guy knows exactly where you are. Cars also provide very little cover, and bullets will not only penetrate the windshield, but the car door much of the time. The axles/wheels and the engine are the only real “cover” in a regular automobile.

  44. Concern Troll also fails to note that while the innocent victim might have had an option to retreat (and I use “might have” guardedly, given that she had neither the duty nor the time), so did the murderous thugs lying in ambush.

    They chose… poorly. They are lucky to not be dead themselves.

    Hands up, those who think they will learn their lesson and change their ways? No, seriously, anyone? Anyone? Anyone at all? Bueller?

    Wow. I’ve been civil in my comments. Can’t say the say about a few of you here

    No one here is insulting you. I am merely pointing out your moral cowardice, and you call that uncivil, but your obvious wish that she be dead instead of the social predators isn’t? You’d better head back to that church and tell them they are not getting through with their lessons on “good vs. evil”. I’d demand a refund.

  45. It’s a bona-fide pistol packin’ mama (grandmama) this. Somewhere I heard today is Mothers Day, and thought, “Gee, that’s a grand idea.” Let’s do it.

  46. It’s uncivil to point out you think someone is wrong. Remember that.

  47. lilida, you opened by insulting Ainsworth’s judgment and implying the confrontation was her fault, which is at best uncharitable and at worst despicable.

    So, yes, you were uncivil. What followed was the most obvious thing in the world.

    Unfortunately, the propensity of the aggressor to cry victim is almost universal.

  48. As to the event itself, we don’t have the information that Ainsworth had *at the time*, which is all that mattered to her *at the time*. Our best guess at that information was that until the shooting started, the only suspicious thing was the presence of two unfamiliar men, which is generally not quite enough information to flee for your life.

    In addition, as has been observed, that attempt at flight is not only no guarantee of safety, but takes your attention away from the potential threat.

    Monday-morning quarterbacking is also fairly universal.

  49. I wonder how high is the correlation between the ‘let the criminals have their way with you, your family and your property’ sorts (advising fleeing rather than confrontation) and those who think the death penalty for murderers is too much?

    Me, I’d much rather confront an attacker with a strong response; stop the crime and the criminal, and also let the bad (usually) guy fry in an electric chair after his heinous murder(s), than give ‘em a chance to do more harm down the line.

    Nip it in the bud, as it were.

  50. you are an asshole. and mendaciously stupid or idiot or proggtard – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=53651#comment-1079445

    C’mon, nr. That’s clearly OTL.

  51. bgbear,
    I find a lot of armed citizens support new gun controls, but I do not like their motive for it:

    They’ve got their guns, and if they can stymie “others” from getting guns – even better, bigger guns than they have, then, by golly they will.

    I can’t address law enforcement officers in particular, but the old “I’ve got mine, so get lost, Bub!” is a documented human reflex.

    We all know it. It manifests as NIMBY-ism when it coalesces to block construction projects, like subdivisions, prisons or wind-farms. And there’s no reason why members of the state’s campus enforcers should be spared the usual roster of human frailties.

  52. Man, you guys are rough. Yeah, lilida mischaracterizes Ms Ainsworth as some sort of cowboy eager to get a gun battle that could have been easily avoided. That premise is what lilida got wrong, not her reasoning from that flawed perception.

    Her flawed premise is no doubt conceived from her “gun training sessions”, where I bet deputy Dan is no fan of Stand Your Ground laws, and lilida has never even considered the law’s reason for being.

    To me the woman (lilida?) comes off as a child that, having mastered See Spot Run feels competent to criticize Shakespeare for being too wordy. Poor thing is too ignorant to even know she is revealing her ignorance.

    I’ll say again, for serr8d ["the correlation between the ‘let the criminals have their way with you, your family and your property’ sorts (advising fleeing rather than confrontation)"], avoiding a gunfight if possible is always the best option, as long as it doesn’t endanger anyone. If it was possible for Ms Ainsworth to see the danger early enough to just keep driving it wouldn’t mean she is the sort to “let criminals have their way”, or a moral coward.

    Of course there are often times like in this case, where trying to flee is a terrible option and lowers your chances of survival. Which means Ms Ainsworth would have been “reckless” to attempt escape.

  53. “And my instructor is a qualified trainer (deputy) who conducts gun safety courses for the public ”

    Cops tend to be mediocre-to-substandard shots. Consider the NYPD qualification score, handgun, was 65 last i saw. Or the LA Sheriff’s deputies who fire 120 shots at 1 suspect and hit him once. And worse tacticians: LAPD cops supposedly hunting a cop killer shot up a completely disimilar vehicle to the suspect’s with two women in it, emptying multiple hi-cap mags, and miraculously managed to not murder either woman.

  54. Unfortunately, in today’s society, even a totally righteous shooting can result in a life destroying lawsuit. Every bullet you fire has a lawyer attached to it and avoidance, if it doesn’t increase risk to you or someone else, is probably the better policy.

    However, in this case, the woman was left with no chance to avoid the deadly encounter and acted in an entirely appropriate manner.

    I totally commend her for her decisiveness, competence, and courage.

  55. gramma packs a .45. How cool is that.

  56. ..avoiding a gunfight if possible is always the best option, as long as it doesn’t endanger anyone..

    True enough. But a good friend suffered a home invasion a few months back; one family member was shot and the other viciously pistol-whipped by a couple illegals. There was no chance given them to defend selves, to stand their ground or otherwise fight back. And you know what? one of those two perps are still on the loose, and many more just like them, spawned and dangerous.

    I commend this woman for defending herself and, by her assertive actions, helping others less well-equipped. As for those of us who can equip? Be prepared, and help others get prepared. Our communities are not as safe as they once were, and from the smell of things no one, even in one’s own home, will ever be really safe again.

  57. the natural right to defend yourself is not otl. peeps who say she was the problem are lying liars who what lie

  58. bloomberg trolls suck

  59. Shame on you all for not agreeing with lilida. Everyone knows that the best judgement of a situation resides in people who are furthest removed from the situation, and have only read the in-print account.

    We all know who the real victims in this story are, right?

  60. …that’s right: it’s the children.

  61. The site’s been down because of a server collapse and I still can’t get email.

    But let me say this: lilida has been a regular reader and commenter at this site for a while. I’m not sure her political affiliation, but the fact that she’s here should give us all hope that those with differing opinions are still open to engaging with people on the other side, and are capable of altering their positions when convinced to do so.

    She’s also been a strong supporter of mine, and has contributed to my fundraisers on numerous occasions. Meaning, she appreciates the site and, until now I suspect, appreciates the level of discourse in the comments section.

    I’m sad I wasn’t here to put an end to this piling on. You can disagree, but there’s no need to get personal. Lilida is not mileycyrus or squirtlesquirtleturtle, etc.

    Reconsider the tone of your responses.

    Clearly, I disagree with Lilida in this instance. If you want to protect your property and have the means to do so, that’s a decision you can make. The grandmother in the story decided to stand her ground and protect her property and was able to prevail. Kudos to her.

    It’s obviously sometimes more prudent to live to fight another day. But some people just don’t have that in their constitution. Like, for instance, me, who can’t “pick his battles” at all. Dunno why. But I am who I am. Grandma here appears to have that same flaw.

  62. The site’s been down because of a server collapse and I still can’t get email.

    Roger,

    Canx the Rockey Mountain CSAR.

    Welcome back soldier, we’ll expect a full report on your deep cover experience ;^)

  63. My apologies, if I went too far. I didn’t think I did, but courtesy is not always what I come up with, even though I do strive.

    Also: good to have you back up and running, Jeff!

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