April 15, 2014

“Harry Reid on Bundy Ranch Showdown: ‘It’s not Over’; Rory Reid says Bundy should be Prosecuted”

Breitbart:

Following remarks Senate Majority leader Harry Reid made at the University of Nevada, Reno on Monday, the Nevada Democrat told Reno’s KRNV TV his thoughts on the cattle controversy in Gold Butte.  “Well, it’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over,” Reid said.

There is no question that there were a lot of things going on down there with breaking the law,” Reid said. “And that is not over yet. We can’t let that continue. So I’m sure it is not the end of it.”

Translation:  only Congressmen, Attorney’s General, IRS employees, NSA employees, Secretaries of State, Presidents, and those who make law are allowed to be above it.

Well, that, and illegal aliens.

Uppity ranchers?  Time to put a boot on their throats.  Because Yes We Can.

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 1:18pm
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Comments (29)

  1. “There are not enough jails, not enough policemen, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people.” — Hubert H. Humphrey

    “Molon Labe” — Leonidas of Sparta

  2. What do you think of this W3Schools rebuttal from coyoteblog?

  3. I think the case is less about Bundy and more about government picking and choosing who to go after, how, and why.

    I’m not dying on any hill for Bundy. But I will stand up to a government in perpetual overreach, particularly when it doesn’t enforce laws uniformly.

    Hell, Obama and Holder spoke at the NAN, knowing Sharpton is a tax cheat. Geithner was a tax cheat. Kerry was a tax cheat.

    Today seems as good a day as any to point out that there is a decided erosion of equality before the law in this country. Consider Mr Bundy an occasional.

  4. Jeff, if you’ve time, check out this post…

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-11/guest-post-real-americans-are-ready-snap

    #BundyRanch isn’t about Clive Bundy’s ranch, really. It’s about a looming #AmericanSpring.

  5. Ummm..I was typing on a tiny thinger is why I missed your previous post. Damned tiny thingers!

  6. Makes sense. Danke.

  7. “We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over .”

    But we can walk away from the violations by millions of illegal immigrants.

    Maybe Bundy should just claim his conduct is “an act of love.”

  8. C.J. Box, a novelist whose protagonist is a Wyoming game warden, wrote an article for Ricochet on the subject.

    He’s not terribly sympathetic to Bundy but he is concerned about the BLM’s armed response. And unlike many Ricochet articles, the comment section isn’t filled with The Evil Undead. In fact, I’d recommend reading the comments.

    Especially mine:

    We shouldn’t let a rigid observation of the Rule of Law trip us up. It was once illegal to stash Jews in your attic, illegal to free your slaves, legally obligatory to return a fugitive slave to his masters, illegal to offer desegregated lunch counters, etc.

    Barack Obama flouts the separation of powers in an act of tyranny; Bundy is hamstrung by a mesh of irrational legal contingencies — his declaration that the feds don’t own that land is likely a distillation of years of struggling with the situation and of watching the walls inexorably close in on him. The circumstances are NOT parallel.

    We can acknowledge that Bundy is not hewing to the law AND use his plight as a way to pry apart some of the absurdities of his situation. God knows it needs doing.

    Also, in his radio interviews, Bundy sounds kind of nutty but he’s actually just inarticulate. He sounds like the average engineer who is so wrapped up in the details of his project that he can’t step back and narrate beginning to end to a newbie.

    Hinderaker’s most persuasive argument is that Bundy and ranchers just aren’t the Right Kind of People, because they haven’t bought influence with Reid and Obama, whereas the solar and wind people have. Those enviro boondoggles make politicians and their cronies a boatload of cash whereas cattle farmers can’t provide that favor.

    Bundy doesn’t have a legal leg to stand on, so his not paying fees, making improvements to the land that the BLM was supposed to do, and “trespassing” his cattle hither and yon is an act of civil disobedience.

    Given that he’s not hurting anyone or anything—including the range land on which he depends for his livelihood—I don’t have a problem getting behind this one.

    If for no other reason than to break the back of the federal gubmint’s hold over western state land.

  9. Also, chaos favors the tyrant.

    It appears that some of the people ostensibly standing on Bundy’s side were bussed in from NJ, Illinois, and Wisconsin (?). Blue states.

    Mobys.

    Who might have been sent down to nudge things over the line, giving the gubmint the excuse to do awful things to conservatives.

  10. About whose cronies are to benefit from closing the lands to the Bundy clan.

    Also it is time for a national “conversation” about how it has come about that the federal Government “owns” 30% of the land in the nation as a whole most of which is in the West. And how that “ownership” has warped the States there.

  11. >Mobys<

    more like agent provocateur for the je ne sais quoi quotient

  12. Mobys.

    I think agents provocateurs is the more appropriate term for them.

  13. nr for the win.

  14. I’m pretty sure it was illegal for those colonists to assemble in Lexington Green back on the morning of April 19, 1775, too…

    Maybe they were outside their Designated First Amendment Zone.

  15. At the risk of repeating myself:

    We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it.

    Of course not. That’s the government’s job.

  16. Yeah, Harry is really good at casting that first stone.

    Holder certainly seems to be walking away from Fast and Furious.

  17. If it’s too little, throw it back.

  18. Mark Levin’s first hour today brings to light even more details: the BLM had decided two years ago to not pursue the matter but a radical enviro group (BIRM) threatened to sue the BLM if they didn’t drive Bundy and his cows off the land.

    Levin was a lawyer in the Dept of the Interior under Reagan, so he knows from land disputes.

    He also explains how the regulatory apparatus has been hijacked by watermelons, ultimately to nationalize all private property, and the arbitrary seizures in the name of a toitle (or owl or bait fish) plus all the other rules are rigged to push humans off as much land as possible, especially if those humans are engaged in productive behavior.

    None of which is a surprise to the peeps on this blog but still. Levin’s case makes it hard to waffle on the issue: Bundy may not be Gandhi II and he has no legal claim to the land but he’s emblematic of the obscenities in the system and so this battle ought to be fought.

  19. Rory Reid sounds like a motherfucking scooby doo villain

    for reals this is the best you ameritards can do?

    America sucks balls

  20. Make the feds live by their own rules

    Wayne Hage did not stand in that courtroom alone because I was honor bound to prevent it – I had published his 1989 book, Storm Over Rangelands: Private Rights in Federal Lands, which unleashed the federal fury.

    The message terrified abusive bureaucrats: There are private rights in federal lands – vested rights, not privileges.

    His book, the product of three intensive, grueling years consulting with dozens of experts and sifting through many archives, found the dirty little secret that could destroy the abusive power of all federal Western land agencies – by making them obey their own laws. [...]

    Private rights in federal lands were recognized in an 1866 water law. It says, “… whenever, by priority of possession, rights to the use of water have vested and accrued, and the same are recognized and acknowledged by the local customs, laws, and the decisions of courts, the possessors and owners of such vested rights shall be maintained and protected in the same.”

    That Act was passed a long time ago, but every federal land law since then contains a clause with language similar to, “Nothing in this Act shall be construed to impair any vested right in existence on the effective date of this Act.”

    Most ranchers don’t know that and federal agencies exploit their ignorance with harassment that runs them off the land. Actually, understanding vested rights is not too hard – they’re absolute rights not subject to cancellation – but proving up those rights by assembling your chain of title and other technicalities and then making the government protect them is very hard.

    The agencies know they don’t own the water rights, so their lawyers fight viciously with misdirection to save their empire from the owners. Ranchers lose in court because they don’t know how to prove up their vested rights and they don’t get lawyers who know the precision required to plead a vested rights case. Very few lawyers know.

  21. Reid needs to be removed from office, and to have all of his whorecruxes destroyed.

  22. I think it’s cute that the lawyer in Darleen’s linked article thinks that lawyers and courtrooms are going to be the answer. Because the Regime would never think to simply change the law to suit itself, or simply to ignore it altogether. Being, as it is, so well-known for its adherence to the rule of law and the limits placed upon it by the founding documents.

    I suspect the issue is ultimately going to be worked out by hard men with pickups and horses and rifles, aided and abetted by ten thousand sympathetic patriots who may lack the courage to face down the Land Managers, but still want to support the cause of liberty.

    But still — good for the lawyer, trying to make everyone believe that there’s a civilized way out of this.

  23. Isn’t the meaning of the civilized way the very heart of the question at issue? Sure seems like it.

  24. It appears that some of the people ostensibly standing on Bundy’s side were bussed in from NJ, Illinois, and Wisconsin (?). Blue states.

    It would be nice to know something about just who was bussed in and who organized the busing. Agents provocateurs are a proven and widely taught method in the “community organizer” community. Used all over the world, especially where the media is controlled so the lie can be sold without challenge and allow for overwhelming force to then be used, demanded by “the people,” to crush all resistance.

  25. It appears that some of the people ostensibly standing on Bundy’s side were bussed in from NJ, Illinois, and Wisconsin (?). Blue states.

    Di. I don’t know about NJ, but there are a lot of pissed off peoplke here in Illinois and in Wisc. We’re tired of being ruled. Springfield and Chicago and the cololar counties run the state of Illinois. Just like Madison and Milwaukee run Wisconsin.

    Blue Springfield and Chicago and Cook County can easily nullify the votes in the rest of the state.

    IUf I could have been there I would have.

  26. Mueller, people like you and I would go there on our own, or try to organize our neighbors to come with us. The question before us is whether the people who made the trip were folks like us, or just a bunch of Democrat goons bused in by tax-exempt “advocacy groups” to disrupt a protest that the Current Regime sees as dangerous.

    Lucky for us, we have a legion of sharp, curious, ambitious journalists who are already digging into the money trail to sniff out the truth. Oh, wait…

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