December 28, 2013

Camille Paglia: “What you’re seeing is how a civilization commits suicide.” [Darleen Click]

The war on masculine virtues

[N]o subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society’s attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

She starts by pointing to the diminished status of military service. “The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster,” she says. “These people don’t think in military ways, so there’s this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we’re just nice and benevolent to everyone they’ll be nice too. They literally don’t have any sense of evil or criminality.”

The results, she says, can be seen in everything from the dysfunction in Washington (where politicians “lack practical skills of analysis and construction”) to what women wear. “So many women don’t realize how vulnerable they are by what they’re doing on the street,” she says, referring to women who wear sexy clothes.

When she has made this point in the past, Ms. Paglia—who dresses in androgynous jackets and slacks—has been told that she believes “women are at fault for their own victimization.” Nonsense, she says. “I believe that every person, male and female, needs to be in a protective mode at all times of alertness to potential danger. The world is full of potential attacks, potential disasters.” She calls it “street-smart feminism.”

Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten. “Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It’s oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys,” she says, pointing to the most obvious example: the way many schools have cut recess. “They’re making a toxic environment for boys. Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters.” [...]

By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. “This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it’s all about neutralization of maleness.” The result: Upper-middle-class men who are “intimidated” and “can’t say anything. . . . They understand the agenda.” In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by “never telling the truth to women” about sex, and by keeping “raunchy” thoughts and sexual fantasies to themselves and their laptops.

Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America’s brawny industrial base, leaves many men with “no models of manhood,” she says. “Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There’s nothing left. There’s no room for anything manly right now.” The only place you can hear what men really feel these days, she claims, is on sports radio. No surprise, she is an avid listener. The energy and enthusiasm “inspires me as a writer,” she says, adding: “If we had to go to war,” the callers “are the men that would save the nation.”

And men aren’t the only ones suffering from the decline of men. Women, particularly elite upper-middle-class women, have become “clones” condemned to “Pilates for the next 30 years,” Ms. Paglia says. “Our culture doesn’t allow women to know how to be womanly,” adding that online pornography is increasingly the only place where men and women in our sexless culture tap into “primal energy” in a way they can’t in real life.

A key part of the remedy, she believes, is a “revalorization” of traditional male trades—the ones that allow women’s studies professors to drive to work (roads), take the elevator to their office (construction), read in the library (electricity), and go to gender-neutral restrooms (plumbing).

Amen.

(cuing the histrionics from Vagina Warriors in 3 … 2 … 1 …)

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  1. I love Camille Paglia. Always speaking truth to power, she is.

    I remember about 25 years ago she took endless heat for telling young coeds that “No, you can’t sleep under bridges and hitchhike across Europe without getting raped or killed, you foolish girls.”

  2. yep, leigh

    The world is a dangerous and unfair place. Gender-feminists take that as a political affront and deliver up foolish girls into its maw.

  3. I will once again commend to your reading Harvey Mansfield’s fine book: Manliness

  4. sdferr

    I just added that right now to my Kindle. Thanks for the recommendation! I’ve been reading a ton a fiction over the holidays, this will add to my other reading.

    :-)

  5. Thanks sdferr. I’ll add it to my Kindle queue as well. I’m in the midst of reading a memoir about Ukraine and the Holodomor. It’s tough sledding, so I look forward to “Manliness”.

  6. - Feminism is natures way of letting manly women maintain a tiny shred of hope they aren’t screwed out of the gene pool for all time.

  7. A good start would be the elimination of the Dept of Education. Thomas Sowell, 2000:

    A newly published book titled “The War Against Boys” by Christina Hoff Sommers not only reveals what these brainwashing programs are doing, it shows that the so-called “studies” on which these programs are based are either hopelessly inadequate or just plain non-existent. Christina Hoff Sommers is a scholar at the Manhattan Institute and she not only sees through the fraudulent claims of the radical feminists, she is familiar with real studies — both here and overseas — which show the direct opposite of what the brainwashers claim. [...]

    Tragically, radical feminists are just one of many reckless zealots who have turned our schools into ideological indoctrination centers, instead of places for children to get an education in basic skills. One of the reasons American children do so badly in international tests of academic skills is that our schools are preoccupied with politically correct social crusades

  8. One of the reasons American children do so badly in international tests of academic skills is that our schools are preoccupied with politically correct social crusades

    “Johnny has two apples. LaShonda has three. How many generations back in Johnny’s lineage does LaShonda have to go to find the oppressor that will enable her to call Johnny a racist and take his apples in the name of Social Justice?”

  9. Talk about your rivers in Egypt!

    ::snort::

  10. Amanda is still spewing stupidity I see.

  11. I read an article some years ago (I can’t recall the author, sorry) about how all boys are little atomic energy plants and their energies need to be channeled for their own safety and for that of society. The author’s answer was to give them plenty of free play when they are small: tree climbing, running, throwing a ball, et alia. The danger zone is the teen years that will impact the rest of their lives. Answer: work. Hard, physical work.

    Using this advice, I put my boys to work, according to their skill level and had them pull weeds, cut the grass, stack firewood, prune the trees, rotate the tires on the cars and trucks. Change the car/truck/tractor fluids. Mow the five acre field with the tractor and a mower deck. Help Hubs fix a broken water pipe and later dig up and replace a sewer line to the septic tank. No one dared say they were bored or it was time to wash the windows which involved dragging extension ladders and buckets around.

    Anyway, trying to get boys to act like girls doesn’t work. You end up with sullen, fat, sulky and skill-free boys who are afraid of their own shadows. I have a couple of nephews who fell into that pit.

  12. The war on masculine virtues

    [N]o subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society’s attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52321#sthash.00fLr5Xz.dpuf

    Let us not miss the other side of this coin either.

    Mark Andrew, 63, was at a Starbucks inside the mall at around 7 p.m. Thursday when a man grabbed his phone off his table and ran off.

    When Andrew went after him, he was tackled by two teenage girls– aged 18 and 17 — one of which began beating him with a billy club. During the attack, they told Andrew, “We’re going to kill you,” police say.

  13. Lee

    There’s been quite the surge in violent females … especially gangbangers. Still its a very small percentage of all youth criminals.

    Anecdotal … our two juvie halls have only 1 unit a piece for females (about 20 minor capacity). Rarely over-capacity. Almost all are fatherless and most are in for prostitution.

  14. Related.

    11 ‘Girly’ Things Men Wish They Could Do Without Judgment.

    Good Lord above.

    Perhaps I need to break this down a bit.

    #1-Have more stylish clothing options.

    I know of no men wishing they could wear more feminine clothing.

    #2-Be able to talk about other men being attractive

    What’s stopping you? Well, to be fair I have no problem saying Brad Pitt is nowhere near as handsome as Tom Selleck, but I wouldn’t say I find Selleck attractive.

    #3- Order “girly drinks”

    I know of no men wishing they could do this, but don’t. Just most have other preferences.

    #4- Get treated to a spa day.

    See #3. It’s not they want to but think it socially unacceptable. It’s most men would rather do something else than waste a day getting their nails done.

    #5- Carry a purse

    Who are we kidding? Men want a woman to carry our crap in their purse. And we call the thing we carry beer in an ice chest, not a purse.

    #6-Dance like no one’s watching.
    #7- Wear makeup.

    No we don’t

    #8- Get pampered by women

    Naked women, sure. A woman brings me flowers I know she doesn’t care about me at all.

    #9- Wear yoga pants

    OK, this is just getting retarded

    #10- Have fun with one’s children without being judged

    If you aren’t doing this already you aren’t a man to start with

    #11- Be able to show emotion without being labeled as gay or a “p*ssy.”

    I give. The person that wrote this doesn’t want to do girly things, he wants to be a girl. Dude, put on some make-up, a dress, grab your purse, and hit the spa. Just please don’t project your weirdness on the rest of us…

  15. jaysus Lee I’ll have to go read the link but

    #3 personal taste … now my husband usually likes sweeter drinks than I, that’s personal taste and he seems to have no problem with either ordering such or with his masculinity.

    #4 my hubby is just not interested in a spa day with professional massages and facials. Yet, I happen to know one Navy F16 pilot who loves to visit Glen Ivy when he’s in SoCal to relax in the mineral pools. Again personal preference not “gender roles”

    sheesh

  16. What I want to be able to do without being judged is mind my own damn business.

  17. When Andrew went after him, he was tackled by two teenage girls– aged 18 and 17

    More than 400 crazed teens — who mistakenly thought the rapper Fabolous would perform — erupted into brawls all over Kings Plaza Shopping Center in Mill Basin on Thursday at 5 p.m., sources said.
    [...]
    Fights at the mall also broke out in front of McDonald’s and Best Buy, where a group of girls began screaming and throwing punches as security guards struggled to break up the brawl.

  18. See, the theory is that they won’t leave anyone alone. They want to be the boot stamping on a human face forever. Unfortunately they run things badly enough that they only get to stamp on a human face for about 80 years (with outside assistance) before things fall apart to the degree that they cannot resist invasion by raiders who tend to form at the fringes of a decaying society and do their own thing in plain sight because they can. And of course if nobody is making new boots then the boot falls apart and it’s just a foot doing the stamping which is not as much fun. But they still want to stamp for as long as they can.

    The trick is, you move your face out of the way every once in a while and you drive a phillips head screw driver up into the sole of that boot and the foot inside that boot might not want to stamp on your face for a while.

    Sometimes someone’s will to power drains away when it is them who will get the fat lip when the fight starts.

  19. Duck Commander used his screw driver on the stamper’s boot and it worked like a charm. The ‘future’ was postponed for a bit pending review of strategic methods and practices.

    You might say that A&E and GLAAD didn’t have all their ducks in a row.

    Sunglasses.

    (Roger Daltry: Yeaaaaaaahhh!)

  20. “Navy F16″

    F-18 pilot? Or is the Airforce pretending to be Navy at the spa? Maybe he flies in opfor aggressor training missions for Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center ?

  21. “Dude, put on some make-up, a dress, grab your purse, and hit the spa.”

    Okey-*burble*

  22. pala

    er, maybe it is F18 … my bad … he IS Navy pilot like his dad was. ::chagrin::

  23. #1-Have more stylish clothing options.

    Yeah, I guess, if by stylish we mean earth tones, solids, and plaids and not vomit inducing sweaters and skinny jeans.

    #2-Be able to talk about other men being attractive

    I don’t want to sell the competition without getting something for it like a fish and chips plate or at least a beer out of the deal.

    #3- Order “girly drinks”

    Girly drinks are expensive so I prefer a screw driver. But I see a lot of couples ordering pitchers of maitai so I guess this is a single men problem.

    #4- Get treated to a spa day.

    Maybe if my feet wet REAL bad, but nope. I’m not into the spa thing at all.

    #5- Carry a purse

    Yo. Ever since the 90′s they let men instead of kids carry backpacks. Just make sure it’s made with dark dull mat solid colors and maybe has some fake suede on it. Or if you want to jog without company, nothing says “leave me alone, I don’t care about you, so just piss off” like a fanny pack.

    #6-Dance like no one’s watching.

    Three beers. Next question?

    #7- Wear makeup.

    Unless you have a skin condition, HELL no. I’m clownish but I’m not a clown. I don’t need cartoon outlines and color saturation modifications. Maybe if I’m going to be on TV…even then I’d rather not. Thanks anyway.

    #8- Get pampered by women

    Define pampered. Someone calls me up and says let’s go on a two hour road trip to some diner I know about because my dad used to take me there when we visited grandma and have pancakes, THAT is pampering. A foot rub during a Barry White song is NOT pampering. A croissant mahi mahi and watercress sandwich at The Cheesecake Factory with it’s “you stupid reeking penis-pigs can go piss in the alley for all we care” decor is NOT pampering. A hip jazzy grill where ordering your incomprehensible fusion fad food feels like failing a job interview is NOT pampering. Cuddling in the hammock might be pampering if it’s not muggy or too sunny out or if the bugs aren’t biting.

    #9- Wear yoga pants

    I don’t know what those are but it sounds like bullshit. We men have these loose fitting things called ‘track suits’ or ‘sweats’ though. We’ve had them at least since the late 70′s. We get yelled at if we wear them around the house too much. We like them because our junk hangs loose in them and they don’t catch around the knees when we bend our legs. They are sort of linked to exercise, being a slob, or mobsters though.

    #10- Have fun with one’s children without being judged

    Hmmm. What? Is this about the unspoken presumption that any and every male above the age of 16 is possibly a pedophile sex predator and or murderer when they glance at any child anywhere even if that child is beating your mail box with an aluminum bat while another child films it for youtube at 3:00 AM?

    #11- Be able to show emotion without being labeled as gay or a “p*ssy.”

    I tend to think of very emotional men as manipulative narcissistic assholes putting on a little show for me to see how I react. It’s a childish boundary pushing thing not a wuss thing. And I’ll add that sometimes its more about moodiness, fragility, and instability than manipulation. So when I see a hyper-emotional male I worry that 1.) it’s an attempt to push me around and I am the perceived pussy or mark, or 2.) that I should be very kid gloves around the guy because something is wrong with him.

  24. Define pampered

    Doing unto another person what HE thinks is great stuff not what YOU think is great stuff.

  25. “Anyway, trying to get boys to act like girls doesn’t work. You end up with sullen, fat, sulky and skill-free boys who are afraid of their own shadows. I have a couple of nephews who fell into that pit.”

    Yeah and they are pressure cookers too. The world tells them they are wimps, fit to be prey for the alphas and lackeys to the betas, and then when they finally blow up the world tells them they are dangerous inhuman psychos.

  26. “Pampered’ sounds like a danger word.

    Pampered sounds like I WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITH FOR YOU AND BE PRAISED AND REWARDED FOR IT REGARDLESS OF ITS EFFECT ON YOU. YOU WILL LIKE THIS or you go on the disappointing people who really suck list…probably for life.

  27. “#11- Be able to show emotion without being labeled as gay or a “p*ssy.”

    Oh there are also people who are just naturally boisterous and exuberant who are what I would call pleasantly obnoxious. They aren’t fragile and they aren’t trying to beat you over the head either. They just tend to be loud. I wonder if it isn’t a kind of mild and high fucntioaing autism similar to Asperger where they aren’t picking up enough body language to guide their responses or maybe they just don’t care since people tend to endure it and warm up to it eventually. Or maybe they just grew up in a whole family like that and THAT’S normal and I’m the stone face man-crone icing up the world.

  28. Yeah. Maybe he flies in opfor aggressor training missions for Naval Strike and Air Warfare Center ? Supposedly a lot of the F-16′s we wouldn’t sell to Pakistan ended up as Opfor planes.

  29. AFAIK he’s in Kanagawa, Japan at this time. (He is a friend of my daughter’s, I’ve known him since they were in high school together)

  30. Darleen,

    He is likely an F-18 driver, but there is no reason why he couldn’t be rated in both, in fact, F-18 rating is probably a prerequisite for the F-16 aggressors (I rather doubt they would start someone as an aggressor).

  31. More than 400 crazed teens — who mistakenly thought the rapper Fabolous would perform — erupted into brawls all over Kings Plaza Shopping Center in Mill Basin on Thursday at 5 p.m., sources said.

    And to think, for the past 30 years the Clash have been assuring us all that “phony Beatlemania has bitten the dust.”

    Next you’ll be telling me that the Sharif actually does enjoy himself some good ol’ rock music from time to time.

  32. And in return, if other people want to mind their own damn business I won’t judge them either.

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  34. “I won’t judge them either.”

    Yeah right. You see a dude wearing feminine clothes, wearing make-up and carrying a purse, sipping a pink drink while getting a pedicure in a spa suddenly leap up and drop it like it’s hot and then break down in tears, I’m thinking you’ll judge him.

    You might not condemn him, but I bet you’ll judge him…

  35. Sharia don’t like it
    Rockin’ the Casbah
    Rock the Casbah
    Sharia don’t like it
    Rockin’ the Casbah
    Rock the Casbah

    link

  36. You see a dude wearing feminine clothes, wearing make-up and carrying a purse, sipping a pink drink while getting a pedicure in a spa suddenly leap up and drop it like it’s hot and then break down in tears, I’m thinking you’ll judge him.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nf0oXY4nDxE

  37. You can get away with this until you hit 65 or so.

    http://thevacationgals.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/synapseolive3.jpg

  38. How am I going to see this guy in a spa, if I’m not in the spa?

  39. “if I’m not in the spa?”

    A freak wind blew your hat in the door as someone was coming out, and you were just retrieving it.

    Uh-huh, I’ll buy that.

    *wink wink*

  40. #5- Carry a purse

    Real men call those brief cases, and carry them all the time.

    or attache cases, I suppose, but only because James Bond carried one that would explode in your face.

    Messenger bags are also acceptable, so long as the shoulder strap is more than one half inch wide.

  41. I call mine a toolbelt.

  42. #1-Have more stylish clothing options.
    I know of no men wishing they could wear more feminine clothing.

    Levis and a pocket tee (black or gray). If I need to look nice it’s kakis and a polo shirt. What’s not stylish about these looks?

  43. geoffb – Man Purse, after ‘shopping’.

    http://www.opticsplanet.com/buck-commander-shooters-canvas-bag.html

    No societal dysfunction occurred during this ‘shopping’ event.

  44. if a guy wants a girly drink he can say I want kind of like a mudslide but can you make it with 4 shots please – one shot bailey’s one shot kahlua and 2 shots of tito’s – just throw it in a brandy glass or what have you

    sometimes you just want something kinda sweet and I tell you what ain’t no reason you can’t have something sweet just make sure it not gonna put you out

    what else is a great go to drink like that is pineapple vodka and tonic or club depending on your taste, and the pineapple vodka is starting to get a lil easier to find when you go out – but at home for sure you can do that

    pineapple vodka is great to keep on hand cause you can take two bottles of it and throw it in a punch bowl, add one bottle club soda, and a tub of sherbet and bam you have some killer punch to where you gotta take up all the keys

    bags are fine too they show you have your shit together especially when you travel

    you can’t go wrong hereother than it’s stupid expensive

  45. oh. here is a more better link

  46. I think youse guys are being pretty liberal with what a “purse” is.

    Women carry a purse pretty much everywhere, and use it for;
    one, carrying their wallet that doesn’t lend itself to sticking in a pocket like masculine clothes allow, and is usually fattened with a coin purse, again because of dresses don’t have a pocket, and a bunch of pictures, though that’s probably not so true anymore what with the smart phone and all.
    Two, make-up and lip stick and a compact with a little mirror which I’m sorry, most men really don’t want anything to do with.
    Three, a whole host of crap from hair brushes, pins and barrettes, pen and paper, a keychain as big as your fist no man would carry, assorted mints, bubble gum, and bon bons, a 57 implement swiss army knife, old receipts, lists and wads of Kleenex, nail clippers, three kinds of files, and bottles of nail polish, little packages of Kleenex and a wad of fast food napkins, kotex, sanatery napkins, and panty liners, etc, etc, etc.

    All this is totally different than specialty bags men use, like a brief case for business, a duffle for guns or a glovebox for all your occasional shit like binoculars and flashlights. Carrying a purse like a woman is hardly even comprehended by men (or happyfeet), as this thread has shown.

  47. Huh, I didn’t see this one coming…

    The world has lost its collective mind. Canada’s highest court has declared prostitution laws unconstitutional.

    I mean, this shouldn’t surprise any of us. This is the way of the world now. It is your body, you can do whatever disgusting immoral and self-destructive thing you want to it as long as it involves your sex organs. Sugary drinks and e-cigarettes are still prohibited thank goodness.

    OTTAWA — Canada’s highest court has declared prostitution laws unconstitutional and has given Parliament a year to make them Charter-compliant should it wish to continue to impose limits on the sex trade.

  48. OK, I have a back pack, like college students use, though I’m 56 as of last Sunday. Given that we have four different vehicles, it’s not practical for me to keep my “possibles” in the glove compartment or center console. So, the back pack. I don’t carry it all the time, only if we’re going somewhere distant, or will be gone for some time. It has: binoculars, first aid kit, compass,flashlight, a multi-tool, writing paraphernalia, mini-camera, usually a couple of books that I’m currently reading, titanium spork (really!), and a .357 (S&W 686+) with a speed loader. My wife has a number of health problems, and it is not uncommon for me to take her to the ER at all hours. Also, we live in a very small town in a fairly remote area. A trip to a town of any size is 30 to 60 miles away. My standing rule is: It’s better to have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not have it.

  49. My standing rule is: It’s better to have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not have it.

    I think that is Rule 14 of Guns: “The .22 in your boot is infinitely more effective than the .45 at home in your closet.”

  50. I know, right?

    That same thing happens to me, I get that exact same response from people whenever I ask if they see a connection between society’s attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

  51. I’ll just wear a toque all the time and keep stuff in it. It will be my head purse. I will look like some unpublished Hanna Barbera character who drives around solving mysteries with maybe a kangaroo or a talking anteater.

  52. saddlebags.

    I worked for John Wayne.

  53. It worked.

    Not me.

  54. “I think that is Rule 14 of Guns: “The .22 in your boot is infinitely more effective than the .45 at home in your closet.”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Zhr88F0J40

  55. >I’ll just wear a toque all the time<

    keep it under your hat dude

  56. I know eh?

  57. My briefcase is illegal in several states.

  58. For people who carry low caliber self defense options: How far out is .22(short and LR) potentially lethal ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY

  59. I went deer hunting this weekend for the first time. At sixty one I was walking through ravines and on top of ridges with my nephew and my BIL. Out of eight of us my BIL got one. I missed one and those were the only two seen all weekend. My man creds are intact.

  60. I have a dop kit if my pockets and belt holsters don’t suffice.

    Wouldn’t mind having one with EM-proof sides though. Just for the lulz.

  61. For people who carry low caliber self defense options: How far out is .22(short and LR) potentially lethal ?

    If you can hit your target, a .22 “will potentially cause a lethal wound.” But not assuredly cause a lethal wound. Even a 9mm, at close range, a head shot, will not assuredly cause lethal wound.

  62. Lethal is not the standard to look for. What you want in personal defense is to force the person intent upon doing harm to cease doing it, right now.

    This requires enough damage/shock to their system to cause it to shut down so their will to harm ceases or doesn’t get translated into muscle action any more. They may survive it or they may not but death is not the object of your defensive action.

  63. Use of a firearm in self-defense, by a private citizen, is considered to be use of deadly force. Deadly force had better be used just so; never intend half-measures.

    If you pull a trigger in self-defense, you should never do so unless your intent is to kill a felon who is intending to *severely* harm, or kill, you, or others. That’s the first thing you learn in a concealed carry class.

    That, and that every time you pull the trigger, there’s a lawyer attached to your projectile. Expect it, and make sure your projectile is sent true. Don’t kill Granny by accident. Cops might get away with it; you can’t.

  64. I was not proposing a half measure. However your intent should be to stop the felon, quickly, which might indeed mean killing him but that should not be your intent. The use of deadly force to stop possibly deadly harm does not mean that you intend to kill the felon only that their death becomes a possibility because of the force used. That is why it is called “deadly force”

    We are likely talking past each other here. I say you must be prepared, when you use deadly force such as pulling out a gun, that you may kill the person you are pointing it at but your intent is to stop them from harming you or another person. Once they have stopped that finishes your need to use deadly force against them whether they are or will die or not.

    From “The Law of Self Defense” by Andrew Branca.

    Deadly force includes force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. Serious bodily harm includes a debilitating injury, the loss of function of a part of the body, or rape. Deadly attacks may be defended against with either deadly force or non-deadly force.

    [...]

    The general principle, then, is that you may resort to deadly force in self defense when there exists such a disparity of force between you and your attacker that deadly force is necessary to stop an imminent threat of death or grave bodily harm.

  65. If you can hit your target, a .22 “will potentially cause a lethal wound.” But not assuredly cause a lethal wound.

    Indeed. It is always an adventure when presented with a gunshot wound and no exit wound, to find the bullet. It is high adventure with a .22 because they can bounce around and wind up far from the entrance wound. Though it may not stop someone in their tracks, a .22 is still not trifling as it will damage everything in its meanderings.

  66. I was not proposing a half measure. However your intent should be to stop the felon, quickly, which might indeed mean killing him but that should not be your intent. The use of deadly force to stop possibly deadly harm does not mean that you intend to kill the felon only that their death becomes a possibility because of the force used. That is why it is called “deadly force”

    We are likely talking past each other here. I say you must be prepared, when you use deadly force such as pulling out a gun, that you may kill the person you are pointing it at but your intent is to stop them from harming you or another person. Once they have stopped that finishes your need to use deadly force against them whether they are or will die or not.

    I do think you’re talking past one another. A fatal wound could very well permit an aggressor to continue his assault for minutes after it is inflicted before he expires, whereas a stopping round could be less than fatal while immediately ending the aggression. I think the focus should be on delivering shock to an aggressor’s system that puts an end to his ability to continue an assault – hence the common training advice of targeting an assailant’s CNS. A shot that contacts the CNS is often fatal, but not necessarily so, and most likely to immediately incapacitate the assailant.

  67. [N]o subject gets her going more than when I ask if she really sees a connection between society’s attempts to paper over the biological distinction between men and women and the collapse of Western civilization.

    Western civilization has collapsed? And even if you think it has, there’s a very big stretch from correlation to causation going on here.

    She starts by pointing to the diminished status of military service. “The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster,” she says.

    Um, false. “At the beginning of the 113th Congress, there were 108 Members (20% of the total membership) who had served or were serving in the military”

    https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R42964.pdf

    “These people don’t think in military ways, so there’s this illusion out there that people are basically nice, people are basically kind, if we’re just nice and benevolent to everyone they’ll be nice too. They literally don’t have any sense of evil or criminality.”

    We’ve already established that this premise is based on a falsehood. But lets go farther. There are some people on the far left who think if we just sang kumbaya we’d all get along. But independents and people who aren’t on the far left get that there are ideologues out there who will seek to kill us no matter what we do. They can’t be reasoned with. They can’t be appeased. I get this. The president gets this. Everyone I know gets this. Hence, a majority of Democrats support drone strikes.

    So far, she’s taken a falsehood, and put a false narrative on top of it. Lets see where this leads.

    The results, she says, can be seen in everything from the dysfunction in Washington (where politicians “lack practical skills of analysis and construction”) to what women wear. “So many women don’t realize how vulnerable they are by what they’re doing on the street,” she says, referring to women who wear sexy clothes.

    I’d like a show of hands. How many men here have ever been around a sexy, flirty woman, (a tease, even) and through no fault of their own simply lost control and had to rape them? I know I’ve never raped anyone, and none of my friends have raped anyone, but maybe we’re a minority. So fess up. This is a safe place. If you ever just needed to rape someone, because, really, “they were asking for it,” please chime in.

    Because, in my book, this is the ultimate in low expectations for men.

    When she has made this point in the past, Ms. Paglia—who dresses in androgynous jackets and slacks—has been told that she believes “women are at fault for their own victimization.” Nonsense, she says. “I believe that every person, male and female, needs to be in a protective mode at all times of alertness to potential danger. The world is full of potential attacks, potential disasters.” She calls it “street-smart feminism.”

    So what does that mean? Women shouldn’t wear a pencil skirt and heels because they might have to run for their lives on the streets? Should they only go out in good running shoes and work out clothes? Maybe some sort of full body covering, black, that only shows their eyes, lest they turn someone on? And does the same apply to men. Because maybe men should be in slippery business shoes with a noose already tied around their neck.

    Ms. Paglia argues that the softening of modern American society begins as early as kindergarten. “Primary-school education is a crock, basically. It’s oppressive to anyone with physical energy, especially guys,” she says, pointing to the most obvious example: the way many schools have cut recess. “They’re making a toxic environment for boys.

    Here, I completely agree.

    Primary education does everything in its power to turn boys into neuters.” [...]

    No, we just have a totally unrealistic expectation that they can sit still all day and not act out IronMan on the playground. The zero tolerance stuff is stupid. It treats educators like idiots who can’t tell the difference between a kid pointing his finger at someone and saying bang, and a kid who really would, if able, gun everyone down right now.

    By her lights, things only get worse in higher education. “This PC gender politics thing—the way gender is being taught in the universities—in a very anti-male way, it’s all about neutralization of maleness.” The result: Upper-middle-class men who are “intimidated” and “can’t say anything. . . .

    Well, it’s a fact that we need men increasingly for their brains and less and less so for their brawn. Is that “neutralization” or just the truth?

    They understand the agenda.” In other words: They avoid goring certain sacred cows by “never telling the truth to women” about sex, and by keeping “raunchy” thoughts and sexual fantasies to themselves and their laptops.

    Ok, this makes no sense at all. Does she really think that millennials aren’t sharing their raunchy thoughts with each other? Does she think that millennial women aren’t on their laptops watching porn, either alone or with their partner? If she knew this would she see as a good thing? A bad thing?

    Politically correct, inadequate education, along with the decline of America’s brawny industrial base, leaves many men with “no models of manhood,” she says.

    Because Steve Jobs, Pope Francis, Ted Cruz, Elon Musk, etc, aren’t real men. Apparently, being a man is limited to the ability to grunt or something.

    “Masculinity is just becoming something that is imitated from the movies. There’s nothing left. There’s no room for anything manly right now.” The only place you can hear what men really feel these days, she claims, is on sports radio. No surprise, she is an avid listener. The energy and enthusiasm “inspires me as a writer,” she says, adding: “If we had to go to war,” the callers “are the men that would save the nation.”

    Private beer gut. Here’s your TV remote. Go take that hill.

    And men aren’t the only ones suffering from the decline of men. Women, particularly elite upper-middle-class women, have become “clones” condemned to “Pilates for the next 30 years,” Ms. Paglia says. “Our culture doesn’t allow women to know how to be womanly,” adding that online pornography is increasingly the only place where men and women in our sexless culture tap into “primal energy” in a way they can’t in real life.

    Houston, we’ve found the problem. Could this whole thing be a rant about not getting laid enough? Because society is hardly sexless.

    A key part of the remedy, she believes, is a “revalorization” of traditional male trades—the ones that allow women’s studies professors to drive to work (roads), take the elevator to their office (construction), read in the library (electricity), and go to gender-neutral restrooms (plumbing).

    Um, starting a hundred or two years ago, men started inventing labor saving machines. As a result, no manly man can compete with a backhoe. And that trend is only going to continue. I admiration for our nations road builders, plumbers, electricians, welders, dump truck drivers (men and women), and if that’s where my kids want to work, more power to them. But that’s not where the job growth and higher incomes are going to be found, and over the next 50 years, these fields are going to be increasingly mechanized.

  68. Why do you hate lesbian intellectuals, hellomynameisstevenbthievin?

  69. Why do you keep saying “um” steve? It’s kind of dumb, in fact it is dumb.

    Camille Paglia as well as Christina Hoff Summers and the editors at the “Independent Women’s Forum” have been all over this trend to turn boys into boy/girls for at least 20 years. Being the mother of three boys, now grown, I can attest to the truth they speak about most public schools.

  70. dog bites man troll with inflated sense of self worth fights off PW commentariat while masturbating mentally in comment thread

  71. Um, false. “At the beginning of the 113th Congress, there were 108 Members (20% of the total membership) who had served or were serving in the military”

    False? Her statement was “The entire elite class now, in finance, in politics and so on, none of them have military service—hardly anyone, there are a few. But there is no prestige attached to it anymore. That is a recipe for disaster,”

    You’ve provided some numbers for the “politics” portion of her statement. None for the “finance” or “and so on” parts.

    Even so, from the link that you provided (but perhaps did not understand):

    The number of veterans in the 113th Congress reflects the trend of steady decline in recent decades in the number of Members who have served in the military. For example, 64% of the members of the 97th Congress (1981-1982) were veterans; and in the 92nd Congress (1971-1972), 73% of the Members were veterans.

    20% versus 64% or more. Nice trend.

    Is your marketing analysis as spot-on as what you provide here? I’ll admit that since this is free work, you might not spend that much effort on it but you should still have pride on what you do for a living. I use the same screen name over in linuxquestions.org and I would not be as sloppy as you appear to be over here.

    (FWIW, I am currently a software engineer. I was also an Army officer that graduated from good old Hudson High as one of the un-interesting class that graduated in 1980. My father was an engineer that worked on the Apollo and Skylab projects back in the day, so I’m pretty sure that my knuckles are a 1/2 inch or so from the ground when I walk.)

  72. troll with inflated sense of self worth fights off PW commentariat while masturbating mentally in comment thread

    Ernst, I’m convinced he gets wood when he types really outrageous stuff, so no argument there.

  73. Is your marketing analysis as spot-on as what you provide here? I’ll admit that since this is free work, you might not spend that much effort on it but you should still have pride on what you do for a living. I use the same screen name over in linuxquestions.org and I would not be as sloppy as you appear to be over here. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52321#comments

    The median age for a F500 CEO is 55. According to this, around 30% have military experience:

    http://www.slate.com/articles/business/the_dismal_science/2012/05/ceos_who_served_in_the_military_are_they_more_honest_.html

    Would we agree that men who lived from, say, 1800 – 1940 were “real men”, and not today’s sissy boys? Because the percentage of the population that’s in the armed forces (while declining) is higher than during that period:

    http://www.admc.hct.ac.ae/hd1/english/graphs/usmilitary.jpg

    So while I applaud you for nitpicking one data point, it’s hard to blame decline of guys on a supposed decline in military service.

  74. It would be helpful HMNWS, if you actually read your cites:

    To analyze how military experience translates into corporate leadership, the researchers looked up the names of CEOs that ran America’s top companies from 1980 to 2006 and matched them to their listings in various editions of “Who’s Who,” which explicitly requests military background in its annual biographical list of prominent Americans. The percentage of CEOs during this period with military experience—about 30 percent overall…Nowadays, with veterans of these wars entering their golden years, only 8 percent of CEOs have served. So whateverSo whatever characterizes military leadership, it’s increasingly rare in the corner office.

    Your second link – Abu Dhabi Men’s College. OK.

  75. I believe she is including college professors and white shoe lawyers in that number of “elites”. College professors are going to be “not many”, especially if they are in the humanities. Lawyers? Not so much unless they were JAGs.

  76. It would be helpful HMNWS, if you actually read your cites:

    It would be helpful if it had so much as a passing interest in the truth. But alas…

  77. Actors consider themselves elites, as well. Other than Drew Carrey, I can’t think of a one. Ice-T was in the Army.

  78. Ice-T was in the Army.

    So was Jimi Hendrix, and no he was not MEBed for a broken ankle…

  79. That’s right. I didn’t think of him since he’s been dead forever.

  80. Leigh,

    Pshaw – next you’ll be telling me Elvis is dead…

    Actually, there are (were) quite a few, but it is still not like WWII where top box office stars actually went into combat – though some on that list were in WWII/Korea.

  81. Eingang, sports figures too. Ted Williams, for instance. Gone for four years and comes back without having lost his game.

    And, I have it on good (well sorta) authority that Elvis is alive and living in Michigan.

  82. …Elvis is alive and living in Michigan.

    You had me worried there for a minute. Actually, Ted Williams was in WWII, went back to baseball, then got recalled for Korea, and went back to baseball again.

  83. Iron Man, indeed.

  84. Leigh,

    Iron Man was one of Lou Gehrig’s nicknames (along with Iron Horse), Williams was “The Kid” – why I can’t answer.

  85. Oops. The Kid, huh? I love all the nicknames, but I can never get them straight.

  86. I always heard Williams referred to as “The Splendid Splinter.”

  87. I didn’t have the privilege to watch Ted Williams play in the flesh, but understand in a vague way that he was obviously great to everyone who saw him, and that this quality of greatness was apparent right from the start — he became a major leaguer at 20, a Kid, which while not exactly rare isn’t a commonplace either — certainly not a commonplace in which to recognize a great player to come. And while young, he was almost rail-thin, hence, splinter-like.

  88. Camille Paglia reaches a truth beyond that known by anyone holding political office in the U.S or U.K. What happens to institutions in those countries,–or any other for that matter–when those institutions lose their masculinity is catastrophic.

    One of her best quotes is “If it was left for women to create civilization we would still be living in grass huts.” In truth, with women in charge even those grass huts would have been left in fine ash.

    For proof reach no further than “The Tinder Box: How Politically Correct Ideology Destroyed the U.S. Forest Service,” Christopher Burchfield, Stairway Press. The entire book supports the case presented by Ms. Paglia. The most powerful arguments are presented in Chapters 6, 7, 16 and 17 (check out Amazon reviews). The differences between men and women have evolved over six million years now. They are manifest, not marginal. For feminist readers, after reading Ms. Paglia’s column—analyzing “The Tinder Box” will require a bottle of blood pressure medication by the sofa side.
    Parker H. French

  89. She does demolish the whole “biology isn’t destiny, because I said so” argument. It used to cause me a tremendous amount of angst that some professors I admired believed the lie.

    Then I learned they were all democrats and just factored that into their calculus.

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