December 20, 2013

Leftists are GLAAD to yell SQUIRREL DUCK!! [Darleen Click] UPDATED

I don’t watch much television and have never seen Duck Dynasty. However, I do know what was said rather than the lying headlines and the faux outrage, which makes me question the timing …

Especially since hatey-hate-hate speech against non-Leftists has been so rampant of late.

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Please LOOK OVER THERE!! and ignore the utter FUBAR of Obama’s signature achievement

So, someone somewhere expresses an opinion that some particular behavior is “sinful”. Agree, disagree, ignore or debate. But stop with the cynical or juvenile ZOMG! You should be dead! histrionics.

Put down the hot chocolate, take off the plaid onsie and put on your bigboy pants.

SHEESH.

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Via Pablo, A&E’s conundrum: The Show that Got Away

This is what happened. The whole idea of the show was to parade these nouveau riche Christian hillbillies around so that we could laugh at them. “Look at them,” we were supposed to say. “Look how backward they are! Look what they believe! Can you believe they really live this way and believe this stuff? See how they don’t fit in? HAHAHA”

When the producers saw the way the show was shaping up, different than they envisioned it, they tried to change course. They tried to get the Robertson’s to tone down their Christianity, but to their eternal credit they refused. They tried to add fake cussin’ to the show by inserting bleeps where no cussword was uttered. At best, they wanted to make the Robertson’s look like crass buffoons. At worst they wanted them to look like hypocrites.

They desperately wanted us to laugh at the Robertsons. Instead, we loved them.

A&E wanted us to point fingers at them and laugh at them. But something else happened entirely. Millions upon millions of people tuned in, not to laugh at them, but to laugh with them.

And then we pointed at them. We pointed at them and said things like, “I wish my family was more like them. I wish we prayed together as a family. I wish we were together like the Robertsons.”

By the time this all happened, A&E had a conundrum. They knew who the Robertsons were and what they believe and they still held it in disdain. But they really liked the money. Really liked the money. So they lived with it.

But the progressives whose bank accounts were not growing fatter because of these backward rubes were never inclined to look the other way. They hate the show and they really hate the response to the show. They want it destroyed.

It really is The Hunger Games.

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  1. Please LOOK OVER THERE!! and ignore the utter FUBAR of Obama’s signature achievement.

    That pretty much sums it up. Leftist dupes and media lemmings, starting to suffer indigestion from all the Obama cum they swallowed, need some where else to direct their anger. And the fellow traveler media apparatchiks at GQ are happy to provide it for them.

    Does any real man still subscribe to that magazine???

  2. GLAAD and all their fellow travelers are just proving what sissy-boys they are. “Oooh! You said something mean! You’re just a meany pants!” Sheesh, what a bunch of pansies!

    Yeah, I went there.

  3. you know – like a lumberjack

  4. How the little people go: *** Former NBA star Dennis Rodman held tryouts Friday for a North Korean team to face a dozen NBA veterans in an exhibition game on Kim’s birthday next month.

    The flamboyant Hall of Famer said plans for the Jan. 8 game are moving ahead but some of the 12 Americans he wants are afraid to come to Pyongyang. ***

  5. Well, Rodman does fit the “idiot” part of the “useful idiots” profile. The “useful” part is TBD, but I have my doubts.

  6. This isn’t a distraction; this is another part of the elephant.

    It makes no sense to say “No, just focus on the FLANK of this beast! Pay no attention to the trunk or the flicking tail!”

    It’s all the same animal: Submit to our will or pay the penalty.

    Tax. Whatever.

  7. Aka “Buffalo Plaid” which used to be used for visibility in deer hunting until “hunter orange” came around.

    The burning irony must be what keeps him toasty warm along with the hot chocolate.

  8. Yessiree, Lumberjack plaid …

    http://youtu.be/xToPCaNxaow

  9. Thanks for that one, Darleen.

    I think that Michael Ramirez is a national treasure. My Laureate of Cartoon-itry he is. If there isn’t a bestow-able National honor available to him, then there ought to be.

    Curmudgeon, riffing of Levin, says about GQ, “Does any real man still subscribe to that magazine?”

    Note to Mark and listeners: When a ‘zine hits bottom it strives to re-brand. In this instance, GQ has almost overnight reversed its newsstand sales numbers, proliferated its platform for soliciting subscriptions: its own publication, and recast its platform from a predictable, Urbane stage to one that will host popular, middle-browed American readers now. Their editors work for their subscriptions department.

    Too, the row banks on the Christian Family Robertson’s popularity, not on demoting it. The entire marketing pirouette is conducted on the sheer popularity of the Robertson Family’s show, too. As, without Phil and co’s social creds, the Manhattan/LA Left would not have overreacted and the spectacle that GQ’s editors have booked-on would never have materialized. Parodoxically, and despite appearances to the contrary, it does not serve commercial media to insult the Robertson’s viewers.

    As for A&E, they can ride this out safely, and capitalize on unknown twists and turns as the gambit plays out. Like GQ, they are a for-profit advertising platform. And so, like them, they stand to gain from all the publicity – good and bad – that is surging their way.

    And then there’s Phil. He’s no dummy, and he’s been watching the silk-monkeys in ‘the industry’ cooing and pawing at him. He knows how the game is played and he has deliberately played what he believes will be a very good hand.

    So, let’s not shed tears for any of the grown-ups in this game, least of all the well-padded gay mafios in Seattle and Greenwich Village. And big boys like Phil, well, they can take care of themselves!

  10. Actual distractions:

    Playing Candy Crush while in a room full of people you’re supposed to be visiting.

    Arguing over fake vs. real Christmas trees.

    Cat videos.

    This.

    And this.

    And this.

    Also, this.

  11. This, however, is a matter of national urgency.

  12. Curmudgeon, riffing of Levin, says about GQ, “Does any real man still subscribe to that magazine?”

    Note to Mark and listeners: When a ‘zine hits bottom it strives to re-brand. In this instance, GQ has almost overnight reversed its newsstand sales numbers, proliferated its platform for soliciting subscriptions: its own publication, and recast its platform from a predictable, Urbane stage to one that will host popular, middle-browed American readers now. Their editors work for their subscriptions department.

    But this only works *so* far. Newsweak, after all, gave up even the pretense of balanced Conservatism, a la George Will, and went full tilt Commiecrat. It crashed and burned.

    GQ used to be a (straight) man’s magazine, a dandy man’s magazine, but a (straight) man’s one nonetheless. They have gone past metro to full tilt queer in the last few years. I suspect their fate will be like that of Newsweak.

  13. The two accusations that the left uses most are “you’re racist” and “you’re a homophobe.” Obama’s one accomplishment in office is burning through the credit limit of the “race card.”

    This kerfuffle is burning through the other card’s limit.

    When the left can’t use these accusations to make their opponents cower in fear. When they become the “butt” of jokes, then the left will have lost their most useful, and easily used, political weapon.

  14. I was stunned to learn GQ was still being published. No one in their right mind would wear those clothes.

  15. I’m still in TwitterGulag. I’ve reviewed my timeline and I don’t see any indication of a Reply Trap.

    Musta just been an ordinary douche move.

  16. Curmudgeon,
    You may be right. To tap Leigh’s quip ’bout GQ’s “clothes,” if their advertising skews evermore metrosexual over the next five years, it’ll prove you right.

    But me? I think the ‘zines with plans for expansion have out-grown the niche-marketing approach so prevalent throughout the ’80′s and 90′s. The Law of Diminishing Returns has kicked in; direct-marketing is ‘old-hat,’ and market consolidation’ll be the new name of the game.

    So, if over the next four years GQ airs more blue-collar work-clothing brands (like Carhart or Lee or Beefy T) and fewer perfumed, scratch-n-smell, scent-verts, then it’ll confirm my hunch.

    Now, I won’t subscribe just to study GQ’s ad permutations in the years ahead, but it’d make for an interesting J-School study.

  17. I was stunned to learn GQ was still being published. No one in their right mind would wear those clothes.

    Not long ago, it actually DID feature clothes a man would want to wear, along with articles about mixing the right drink to impress your date, how to pick up chicks, and articles about interesting and real manly men. It was still dandy, an attempt to be a lover and a fighter at the same time, a la James Bond, perhaps. Not realistic, of course, but something a normal man would want to read.

    But a few years ago, the pouty leering male models in gaudy costumes appeared and the underlying subliminal message seemed to be about how great the receiving end of buttsex was. Bleah.

  18. Hillbillies alone would seem to give away the game, if, that is, the term had ever been used by A&E exec. types as they thought about the Robertsons, wouldn’t it? I mean, I’ve been in Louisiana, and hilly, it ain’t.

  19. buffalo plaid that is good to know

  20. It’s all the same animal: Submit to our will or pay the penalty.

    Yup. Also: “Your way of doing things? It’s done. Get over it, or else.”

  21. Do you suppose they might have used “bitter clingers”, sdferr?

  22. Beats me. But I’d wager just folks never occurred to them.

  23. This, however, is a matter of national urgency.

    Oh. I thought you were talking about this dual catastrophe.

    Someone must have donated to the wrong party.

  24. So, if over the next four years GQ airs more blue-collar work-clothing brands (like Carhart or Lee or Beefy T) and fewer perfumed, scratch-n-smell, scent-verts, then it’ll confirm my hunch.

    When that scented crap began, it was my last straw and I quit reading. I could just read between the lines and the subliminal message was “get your prostate poked….”

  25. “Put down the hot chocolate…”

    If it still has its marshmallows in it?

    Never.

  26. Did Hell just freeze over?

    The suspension of Phil Robertson from A&E’s Duck Dynasty is outrageous in a nation that values freedom, according to social critic and openly gay, dissident feminist Camille Paglia.

    “I speak with authority here, because I was openly gay before the ‘Stonewall rebellion,’ when it cost you something to be so. And I personally feel as a libertarian that people have the right to free thought and free speech,” Paglia, a professor at the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, said on Laura Ingraham’s radio show Thursday.

    “In a democratic country, people have the right to be homophobic as well as they have the right to support homosexuality — as I one hundred percent do. If people are basing their views against gays on the Bible, again they have a right of religious freedom there,” she added.

    “To express yourself in a magazine in an interview — this is the level of punitive PC, utterly fascist, utterly Stalinist, OK, that my liberal colleagues in the Democratic Party and on college campuses have supported and promoted over the last several decades,” Paglia said. “This is the whole legacy of free speech 1960’s that have been lost by my own party.”

    http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/19/paglia-duck-dynasty-uproar-utterly-fascist-utterly-stalinist/

  27. “Did Hell just freeze over?”

    Actually, no. Camille Paglia is a leftist, but she is honest. Perhaps, like Tammy Bruce, she will come around one day.

  28. Not realistic, of course, but something a normal man would want to read.

    Oh, I agree. It was kind of like Playboy without the nekkid girls.

    Then it turned all foppish and girly-man.

  29. Camille Paglia is awesome. She and Christopher Hitchens (RIP) were the last honest lefties.

  30. Paglia has been a vociferous critic of feminism for decades. She’s one of the Very Few Leftists who can accurately characterize the conservative arguments without sneering.

    So no, hell is still as toasty as ever.

  31. re: Duck Dynasty.

    So people get all aflutter about prominent hinterlanders expressing different cultural mores than those espoused in their enclaves and think it is their duty to impose sanctions and penalties upon those benighted folks. I wonder what Edward Said would have to say about that.

    Forget that, I know what he would say. “Fucking hillbillies.”

  32. Through a gay acquaintance’s facebook posting, I just found out about the Barilla pasta boycott. Too funny.

  33. There comes a point when your ‘different positions’ as free as you are to express, them will start to bite you in the ass. He’s been up to this for a while. A&E has been making bank off of these swamp people, but their true nature isn’t exactly friendly for corporate sponsorship outside of the bayou. He’s free to be a bigot, but they’re also totally free to fire him for it.

    His sweet ‘common man’ expressions of tolerance below:
    http://youtu.be/Fk5VmM4pRhM

    “Women with women. Men with men. They committed indecent acts with one another. And they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. They’re full of murder, envy, strife, hatred. They are insolent, arrogant, god haters, they are heartless, they are faithless, they are senseless, they are ruthless, they invent ways of doing evil!

    That’s what you have 235 years, roughly, after your forefathers founded the country. So what are you going to do, Pennsylvania? Just run with them? You’re going to die. Don’t forget that.”

  34. He’s an Evangelical Christian, dalek. He thinks what millions of other Evangelicals think with some crossover in the tenets of the Catholic Church and Orthodox Judaism.

    Face it: you’re on the wrong side of history and scripture.

  35. He’s free to be a bigot

    And so are you.

  36. And who’s a bigot here? Phil for speaking his belief in the bible and God’s word or A&E using him and his family as a cash cow?

  37. Sometimes reality is just too real.

  38. Why are you so intent on colonizing these people Dalek?

  39. Dressing it up in religion doesn’t change the fact that he’s a bigot. There are millions of Christians who don’t hold his views. He’s a fundamentalist and an extremist. You hold fundamentalist muslims in such wild contempt but you don’t see how the exact same thinking is reflected in these people.

    A&E aren’t bigoted. They were just trying to turn a profit by trying to disguise these people are TV ready and exploiting them for ad revenue. When the truth came out that what they have to say is insanely problematic and hateful, not just to gay people but to their families and friends. They both have to be held accountable.

  40. Burnt at the stake, ahyep.

  41. Dressing it up in religion doesn’t change the fact that he’s a bigot. There are millions of Christians who don’t hold his views. He’s a fundamentalist and an extremist. You hold fundamentalist muslims in such wild contempt but you don’t see how the exact same thinking is reflected in these people.

    Sigh. There is a universe of difference between Christians thinking homosexuals are going to hell, yet still treating them with respect, and Muslims trying to send them there.

    The moral equivalency was tendentious vs. The Soviets then, and it is tendentious vs. The Muslims now.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_negroes

  42. “There is a universe of difference between Christians thinking homosexuals are going to hell”

    The Christian teaching I learned is that all sinners (that would be everybody) are destined for hell , but that forgiveness is available to everybody.

    But I guess your church was different.

  43. It’s interesting how people are always more prone to denouncing the sins that they have no personal inclination to commit. Motes and beams.

  44. “The Christian teaching I learned is that all sinners (that would be everybody) are destined for hell , but that forgiveness is available to everybody. But I guess your church was different. “

    Way to miss the point. Sorry I forget to include the dislaimer of all sins.

    Maybe you can cozy up to “Dalekhunter” too.

  45. Way to miss the point.

    What point would that be? That there are plenty of sins, but this one (which is, conveniently, one that only certain people are predisposed to commit) is somehow “worse” than any of the others?

    Sorry, don’t see any point there other than hypocrisy.

  46. The Dalek speaks of bigotry… how amusing.

    Pitiful thing, did your shell break down and now all you have is an internet connection instead of a death ray projector? Aw, come on. Give us a shrill “EX-TER-MIN-ATE!!!” and maybe the awful people you hate will die of shock instead.

  47. Let’s have a thread on looking on women with lust. I’m guilty of that one thousands of times over. According to Jesus Himself (not, repeat not Paul) that’s as bad as committing adultery.

  48. He’s totally free to be a bigot, I don’t need to colonize him in any way. Nothing about this situation has to do with his free speech rights. He can say idiotic hateful things to his heart’s content, but those words have consequences. Freedom and responsibility which I learn much about here have to be applied to this situation. He said something his employers deemed to be inappropriate and he was sanctioned for it. Not thrown in jail, not deprived of his freedom. Both parties used their respective freedoms to act.

    His religious speech can still be punished by a private entity like A&E if what he says adversely effects their ability to turn a profit. He’s totally free to speak and totally responsible for the meanings of those words.

  49. I am always guilty of that false idol thing.

  50. We are all born in sin and it is only through the salvation of Christ and repentance that we may be saved from the fires of hell. It’s not a sure thing, by any means and certainly not one for any of us to decide here on Earth.

  51. How do the persuasive speakers address the question of sin, in the more general sense — say, in speaking to someone who does not already possess or accept the same understanding of the issue possessed by him who would seek to persuade of the usefulness or necessity or efficacy of the stance of the men who think of human life in terms of sin? Surely it won’t be done with a simple itemized list of particulars, would it — these and these and these are sins? At least, that wouldn’t seem on its face to be a satisfactory approach — not without some extensive preparatory detail. So, what would that look like instead, this presumptive effective act of persuasion, taken from a descriptive point of view?

  52. His religious speech can still be punished by a private entity like A&E if what he says adversely effects their ability to turn a profit.

    His tremendously large gay audience will be leaving in droves. /sarc

  53. Leigh, Honey Boo-Boo and June and camp idols.

  54. There are millions of Christians who don’t hold his views

    And from my understanding of Christian teaching, they are wrong. (I am not a Christian, so I am not an expert on this.

    Dressing it up in religion doesn’t change the fact that he’s a bigot

    He didn’t say he hated them or treated them differently because of what they do, so he is NOT, by definition, a bigot. You’re claiming he is one doesn’t make him one.

  55. Let’s have a thread on looking on women with lust. I’m guilty of that one thousands of times over. According to Jesus Himself (not, repeat not Paul) that’s as bad as committing adultery.

    Yup, according to Christian belief, it is. And that religion is not a la carte – so if you believe yourself to be a Christian, then you are a sinner. It’s actually pretty simple.

  56. if you believe yourself to be a Christian, then you are a sinner. It’s actually pretty simple.

    That’s what we learned when I was a kiddo, Scott.

  57. He can say idiotic hateful things to his heart’s content, but those words have consequences.

    If the consequence is that people are so turned off that they stop watching DD, and the low ratings get them cancelled, that’s a fair consequence.

    If the consequence is that Twitter melts down and A&E gets an earful and everyone is yelling at each other, that’s a fair consequence.

    But this garbage about actively organizing to destroy someone’s career or livelihood because they’re Not Our Kind? To make an example of what happens when you piss off people who fight as dirty as they can get away with?

    That’s not America.

    His religious speech can still be punished by a private entity like A&E if what he says adversely effects [sic] their ability to turn a profit.

    A&E did not make an economic decision: this was cultural. As the article said, A&E thought that everyone would watch DD as a freak show but instead people loved it for The Wrong Reasons.

    This isn’t about free speech or even Business: it’s about who gets to decide what constitutes ideas that are beyond the pale and who has to STFU.

  58. Honey Boo-Boo and June and camp idols.

    ???

  59. - Its also decidedly about how much the minority Lefturds can control the narrative. As long as they can keep everyone arguing about pecker love Bumblefucks signiture fuckups as a pres can go unaddressed.

    - Its a TWOFER!

  60. Odufus is taking a beatdown in the press conference before he wings off to his $$$$$ vacation in Hawaii.

  61. - So, in the spirit of not playing the pecker love game:

    - Bumblefuck was asked today what his biggest mistake was during his presidency so far.

    - After a long winded reponse that avoided an answer he boiled it down to “having been born on a planet that included Republicans.”

    - Which is always the case with truly dedicated lifelong fuckups.

  62. - I’m so hoping at some point others begin to notice that the Wan is no longer the focus, or even the important center of conversation, among the brain-dead Progressives.

    - They have turned full time to pissing on anyone they hate. Bumblefuck is not to be mentioned if possible.

    - DK and his fellow aholes serve as a prime example.

  63. So, what would that look like instead, this presumptive effective act of persuasion, taken from a descriptive point of view?

    If you’re of a mind to care about your spiritual well-being, then sin is anything that hampers it, just as ingested toxins and infectious diseases impede physical health and illiteracy impedes intellectual development.

    If you’re not of a mind to care about spiritual well-being — especially if you don’t think that such a type of well-being exists, even in a New Agey sense — then sin is a nonsense category.

    Mr. Robertson confessed to having lived a debauched life, which he was able to clean up with the help of Divine Grace. Having done so, he feels the need to prevent damaging his soul through sin — any sin — and is therefore sensitive to which activities will harm him spiritually. He also has a heightened awareness of how the rampant ill spiritual health of individuals contributes to society’s ills.

    If you’re content with the sinful state of your soul, hearing people preach about sin can be extremely grating, to the point of rage in some cases. “[T]he guilty taketh the truth to be hard, for it cutteth them to the very center.

    Between those who care for the health of their souls and those who do not there is a widening, unbridgeable chasm. “[B]etween us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

    Sometimes differences truly are irreconcilable. You can decide whether to live and let live or to Live And Let Die.

  64. “dicentra”

    http://www.crapomatic.com/

    The first time I used the crap-o-matic it suggested a Japanese Choolgirl exoseleton. Now I don’t much need a school girl much less a Japanese one so she’d get a bus ticket somewhere, but if someone gave me a functioning exoskeleton I WOULD hurt myself with it somehow and enjoy it anyway. Because Exoskeletons are cool. But it’d almost certainly cost as much as a motorcycle at minimum. And I’d probably need a nearby fork lift battery on a cart to power it.

    But it would hardly be a crap gift. It would be life changing gift. Possible a bone, muscle, and ligament “changing” gift unfortunately.

    And the same goes for the flying hovercraft for $190,000, though less so.

  65. But this garbage about actively organizing to destroy someone’s career or livelihood because they’re Not Our Kind? To make an example of what happens when you piss off people who fight as dirty as they can get away with?

    Which is why Obama and the Leftists are keen on destroying the 501(c)4 category for conservatives … they want donor lists made public so their brownshirts can go out and stomp a few heads and ruin lives & livelihoods. (see: donors to Prop 8)

  66. SBP –

    “Let’s have a thread on looking on women with lust. I’m guilty of that one thousands of times over. According to Jesus Himself (not, repeat not Paul) that’s as bad as committing adultery.”

    Great point – because Phil Robertsion made no mention of heterosexual sin. Except he did. Which you would know if you took the time to read what he said.

    But that would cut into your moral preening time.

  67. Is there no general description of sin as such as in every individual case a certain sort of thing, i.e., a divergence from the right way, or the perfect path posited by the god or gods in question? Or in even less specific terms, as adequate to an understanding of a merely if yet universal human condition, no matter who or what human being or beings one might choose to look upon? The ‘well’ in well-being points to some good which is evidently otherwise absent and yet apprehended as needful. Do the antecedents of this stance make the critical difference in the cultivation of the believer? That is, the apperception of the need is a prerequisite to effective persuasion toward sin as the explanatory principle or solution?

  68. - Looks like the Lefturds have hit on another gold mine of agitprop, or would that be agitpoop?

  69. - This will not end well for A&E and all the Christian hating queers.

  70. That is, the apperception of the need is a prerequisite to effective persuasion toward sin as the explanatory principle or solution?

    Step 1 is to recognize that we are fallen and that we cannot get up without divine intervention.

    Step 2 is to desire liberation from one’s sins so that one may pursue a path of holiness.

    Step 3 is to repent of said sins by wishing like hell [sic] you’d never committed them in the first place.

    Religions will differ on the next steps. Christians recommend embracing the grace of Christ and entering in the path through baptism. (I can’t speak for the other faiths on this wise.) Christians also posit Christ as the exemplar of perfection that we all fall short of. “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”

    Sound anything like a 12-step program? It should: the people who came up with AA were religious and had trod the path of repentance and divine forgiveness themselves.

    They recognized that they were powerless, etc.

  71. “The Christian teaching I learned is that all sinners (that would be everybody) are destined for hell , but that forgiveness is available to everybody.”

    SBP, what makes this sin (homosexuality) different is that there is a tremendous effort underway to convince us it ISN’T a sin at all.

    You don’t need to stop what you’re doing and seek forgiveness if it isn’t a sin. But it is and you do. Same as lying, cheating, and stealing.

    When people start saying lying, cheating, and stealing are not wrong, just an alternative lifestyle as legit as any other, you’ll have a point in your comparison.

  72. I don’t think duck boy needs to trouble his little duck head about whether or not other people are doing sins

    he should just focus on his little show

  73. The accusation of bigotry always puts me in mind of the story of the mote in one sinner’s eye and the plank in the other sinner’s eye.

    Notice they’re both sinners.

  74. If anyone is scoring DD gear for Christmas gifts, make sure you get Duck Commander stuff. That is the Robertson family’s branded name. DD is owned by A&E as is merchandise imprinted with the DD logo.

  75. And LBascom is right: one thing Jesus cautioned against was listening to those who say that sin is not sin. Those people are recruiting for a group cruise down the Styx.

  76. he should just focus on his little show

    Phil Robertson is a preacher in his real life, happy. He has been called to preach the word.

    (Full disclosure: I have some tent revivalists in the far branches of my family tree and I don’t hold the highest opinion of them.)

  77. Can sin-thinking folk find a means to regard life — that is, specifically human life — in a schema outside the sin notions or categories? Or are the sin-thinking believers somehow cramped round-about by limiting bands of design? It’s difficult to conceive, to be sure, since somehow or other the simple attempt might be understood as a revolt from the right path, and as such, the commission of another (and perhaps worse?) instance of sin.

  78. happyfeet says December 20, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    I don’t think duck boy needs to trouble his little duck head about whether or not other people are doing sins

    If you have a feeling you won’t like the answer, then you (or GQ) shouldn’t ask the question. It isn’t his job to sugar coat and cater to your narrow-mindedness.

    Too bad you didn’t start a hugely successful business, or star in a “little show”, or else people might want your opinion about the wholesomeness of men’s anuses.

  79. I don’t think pikachu boy needs to trouble his little yellow pointy head about whether or not other people are talking about sins

    he should just focus on his shortcomings

  80. You’ll notice that the left is anxious to restrict us on every aspect of our lives, save one: sex.

    All is permitted in that arena except boundaries, and to suggest that there’s such a thing as sexual dysfunction — in the least degree — will garner you more wrath than just about anything else.

    Part of this is the Brave New World aspect — keep people besotted by their hormones and encourage as much fake intimacy as possible (thus to derail true intimacy between individuals, which is anathema to the State). Promiscuity undermines the nuclear family and religion, which also is anathema to the State.

    Another reason is that our sexuality is the most tender, most sacred part of our selves, so if sex is desacralized by becoming utterly public and therefore vulgar, the individual is also degraded. (Sacredness is tied to privacy, intimacy, enclosure, and non-public space.)

    Worst of all, it’s meant to destroy individuality:

    because the Left expresses itself in terms of “freeing” people’s sexuality, many people miss the fact that it is every bit as sexually controlling in its own way as Islam is. This control comes about because the Left works assiduously to decouple sex from a person’s own sense of bodily privacy and, by extension, self-ownership. If a person has no sense of autonomy, that person is a ready-made cog for the statist machinery.

    For instance, “Revolution der Erziehung” (“The Revolution in Education”), a work published by Rowohlt in 1971, which quickly became a bestseller, addresses sexuality as follows: “The de-eroticization of family life, from the prohibition of sexual activity among children to the taboo of incest, serves as preparation for total assimilation — as preparation for the hostile treatment of sexual pleasure in school and voluntary subjugation to a dehumanizing labor system.”

    It’s tempting to think of sexual mores as an utterly private decision whose consequences do not extend beyond the bedroom, and that bourgeois notions about sexual restraint can safely go the way of the buggy whip, but the sexual revolution was just as much a part of the Statist project of collectivization as Obamacare is.

  81. I don’t think duck boy needs to trouble his little duck head about whether or not other people are doing sins

    A guy who can’t help but spout obscenities over whatever Darleen or Sarah Palin says each week is going to lecture a high-profile media person about how he answers questions put to him directly in an interview.

    Physician, heal fuck thyself.

  82. from the perspective of their own spirituality nobody really cares if duck boy approves of anus or not

    nobody was on the fence about anus until duck boy spoke

    it’s one of those things like eating frosting out of the can or doing crystal meth

    you just know where you come down on these issues without any white trash input being necessary

  83. …bourgeois notions about sexual restraint can safely go the way of the buggy whip…

    Restraints? Buggy whips? In the bedroom? Why, dicentra, I’d never have guessed!

  84. I’m just glad to know that The Mouse has taken the righteous and deeply principled position of running a Duck Dynasty marathon all weekend. Very staunch, that.

  85. from the perspective of their own spirituality nobody really cares if duck boy approves of anus or not

    That’s as may be, but from the perspective of popular culture, it’s a breath of fresh air to see a public figure willing to stand up against the leftist noise machine.

    The main reason you’re so gung-ho on seeing him silenced is because you can’t bear the thought of people feeling free to disapprove of your lifestyle choices. How on Earth can you maintain the fiction that you’re a normal, well-adjusted person when actual well-adjusted and successful people are free to remind you otherwise? Before you know it, people everywhere will be saying all sorts of things that make the voices in your head unhappy.

  86. People are angry about the stupid, dishonest faux-anger shock reaction ginned up by Phil being asked a question and answering it, having that answer transformed into something he did not say, and then his being “punished” for the supposed outrageousness of that transformed answer. It feels much like what happened to Paula Deen over 2nd hand reports of stuff she may have said decades ago, Sarah Palin over the “crosshairs” , and other stupid farcical “rejection theatre for otherwise worthless snobs” events we’ve seen over the years. It’s so idiots can imagine that they are booing ugly folks off the stage and making themselves feel falsely powerful and righteous merely for being snobs. I wish I could boycott A&E and GQ but I can’t because I never read or watched either one much. In fact the last thing I watched on A&E was their Nero Wolfe remake series.

  87. From the perspective of their own spirituality nobody really cares if hamster boy approves of duck boy or not.

  88. What point would that be? That there are plenty of sins, but this one (which is, conveniently, one that only certain people are predisposed to commit) is somehow “worse” than any of the others?

    Sorry, don’t see any point there other than hypocrisy.

    Read what dicentra posted–he analyzed it very well and in better words than I could put it–and think really hard.

    It’s hard enough to fend off the Left without the likes of you setting up circular firing squads.

  89. On the other thread on this topic, SBP, you made the point that other people’s private life decisions “neither pick your pocket nor break your leg,” per Jefferson. Which you are right, they do not.

    However, when people come to pick pockets and break legs in the name of defending those decisions from people who are doing nothing more than having contrary opinions, you’re willing to stand aside and if not applaud, at least look the other way.

  90. All is permitted in that arena except boundaries . . .

    Yet, well, not exactly. For instance, we can expect vigorous general agreement regarding incest, and for the most part regarding pederasty as well. This is only to point to other natural looking aversions which should be particularly sticky. Though, it could be that if and only if fathers can in fact be done away with altogether as a matter of course (i.e., through technologies of reproduction in a thoroughgoing test-tubery), even these aversions might one day disappear.

  91. who wants to see him silenced exactly?

    I sure don’t care if he continues to do a show on cable I don’t even have cable

    if he wants to become Team R’s spokesperson on social issues like how Sarah Palin and Bobby Jindal have encouraged him I’d probably question the wisdom of that on several levels, but even then I’d defend his right to do that

  92. The accusation of bigotry always puts me in mind of the story of the mote in one sinner’s eye and the plank in the other sinner’s eye.

    Notice they’re both sinners.

    Nobody ever reads to the end of that passage, do they? Matthew 7:

    1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

    2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

    4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

    5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.

    He was telling the 12 Apostles that they needed to keep their own noses clean if they were to correct other people’s behavior without being “the blind leading the blind.”

    Two isolated words, “JUDGE NOT,” became the anthem of the counterculture revolution, but in their mouths it meant, “We’re gonna do what we want and you godbotherers are gonna shut up about it. THE BIBLE SEZ!”

    But verse 2 shows that if you judge mercifully, you’ll be judged mercifully; if you judge harshly, you’ll be judged harshly. And verse 5 says that casting the mote out of someone’s eye is a worthy task, as long as you’re on the straight and narrow yourself.

    Going all Church Lady on people doesn’t bring them to Christ. Doy.

    But pleading with people to take care of the health of their souls so that they won’t be miserable in this life, not to mention the next?

    How is that a bad thing?

  93. “is anxious to restrict us on every aspect of our lives, save one: sex.”

    Even then the liberation is questionable given that all sex is rape, farting alone in your studio apartment while reading a sci-fi novel is rape, eating a slim jim is rape, and having your ashes scattered at the dump after someone finds you dead in your third hand lazyboy is rape too. Male existence is rape independent of any activity. Rape is the essential natural substance of a male.

  94. Luke 17:2

    ” It would be better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he was cast into the sea, than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.”

    Sorry, I couldn’t find the Charlie Brown Peanuts Bible version of that one. It’s probably a cartoon of Lucy pulling the football away and Charlie brown crying Arrrrgghh!

  95. “who wants to see him silenced exactly?”

    A&E last time I checked…

  96. “All sex is rape” and “all sex is nothing special but let’s have it all the time” are two different ideological horses in the same harness; both meet the essential criterion of destroying human intimacy, qua dicentra’s explanation at 2:31 PM.

  97. A&E has some programming and branding decisions to make that’s for sure

  98. For instance, we can expect vigorous general agreement regarding incest, and for the most part regarding pederasty as well.

    We can expect it for the nonce. Remember, SSM was publicly derided as impossible nonsense by Hillary Clinton only a few years ago.

    The edgier academics are already starting in with “is it really that bad?” and the rest of the slow frog-boiling techniques regarding incest and pederasty.

    Any boundaries that stand today will eventually be torn down, if current trends continue.

  99. “A&E has some programming and branding decisions to make that’s for sure ”

    Oh so maybe you do WANT him silenced after all.

  100. i don’t have a dog in that hunt really

  101. There are numerous cases of incestuous parents (brother and sister) who have been jailed and are seeking appeal under Lawrence vs. Texas here in the US. Likewise, there are several cases of same in Germany that have been in Der Spiegel.

  102. The edgier academics are already starting in with “is it really that bad?”

    Where “already starting” is having ‘started’ prior to the establishment of a school in the grove of Akademe.

  103. Dalekhunter says December 20, 2013 at 12:20 pm
    Dressing it up in religion doesn’t change the fact that he’s a bigot.

    In what way is he a bigot ? He might hate the sin. There is a difference.

    There are millions of Christians who don’t hold his views.

    He’s a fundamentalist and an extremist.

    An assertion not based on the facts

    You hold fundamentalist muslims in such wild contempt but you don’t see how the exact same thinking is reflected in these people.

    Not even you are that dumb. No it isn’t the same thing at all.

    A&E aren’t bigoted. They were just trying to turn a profit by trying to disguise these people are TV ready and exploiting them for ad revenue.

    The exploitation was mutual. These guys already have more money than you’ll see in your lifetime

    When the truth came out

    A&E knew from the get go that they were religious

    that what they have to say is insanely problematic

    Christianity is insanely problematic?

    and hateful,

    Hating the sin is a large part of christianity

    not just to gay people but to their families and friends. They both have to be held accountable.

    We all will be held accountable.

    Your a bigot.

    And rather shallow as well.

    Next time choose a bigger hill to die on.
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  104. A&E has some programming and branding decisions to make that’s for sure

    Several sponsors are threatening to take their ad dollars and go home if A&E doesn’t lighten up.

  105. I’ve heard the slow frog analogy actually doesn’t work the way it’s said to; frogs are good enough at thermoregulation that they can escape a slow boil just fine once it becomes intolerable. However, if you throw them right into boiling water, they’ll be instantly scalded and likely die of the trauma.

    Although I don’t see why this necessarily breaks the analogy. Obviously, there are frogs in our society who recognize what’s going on and have made the decision to jump out of the pot. It’s just Our Benevolent Overlords are hoping to throw them right back in there once it’s hot enough to kill them.

    …Okay that’s a little tortured, sorry.

    And yes, there HAS been a slow but noticeable effort toward the normalization of other divergent sexual behavior as uncontrollable genetic destiny. Studies on actual pedophiles (“actual” being people who’re genuinely sexually attracted to prepubescent children, versus ephebophilia, which strikes me as kind of a difficult area to rule on as a mental illness due to the rate of precocious puberty in society and normalization of 15-19-year-olds getting into sexual relationships) have been moving toward a sympathetic “but oh, it’s not their fault that they can’t form pair-bonds with people who’re physically adults, it’s something in their brain, the poor dears” take. As yet no mention of making it legal, but definitely a trend of sympathy in the literature.

  106. *** His mouthing gathered the gods to the house of the brazen floor. Poseidon the Earth-girdler, beneficent Hermes, and royal Apollo the far-darting came: but the Lady Goddesses remained at home, all of them, quite out of countenance. In Hephaestus’ forecourt collected the Givers of Weal and unquenchable was the laughter that arose from the blessed Gods as they studied the tricky device of Hephaestus. One would catch his neighbor’s eye and gibe: “Bad deeds breed no merit. The slow outrun the speedy. See how poor crawling Hephaestus, despite that limp, has now overtaken Ares (much the most swift of all divine dwellers upon Olympus) and cleverly caught him. Ares will owe him the adulterer’s fine.” Words like this one whispered to the other: but of Hermes did Zeus’ royal son Apollo loudly ask, “Hermes, son of Zeus, messenger and giver of good things: would you not choose even the bondage of these tough chains, if so you might sleep in the one bed by golden Aphrodite?” And to him the Gods’ messenger, Argus-bane replied: “If only this might be, kingly, far-darting Apollo! If there were chains without end, thrice as many as are here, and all you Gods with all the Goddesses to look on, yet would I be happy beside the Golden One.” (Odyssey, 8.321-43) ***

  107. having ‘started’ prior to the establishment of a school in the grove of Akademe.

    Nihil novum sub sole.

    Societal entropy always ends either with the chaos of total violence or of total sexual depravity. Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because there were no boundaries on sexual behavior: they weren’t just doing men-on-men — they were also doing their kids (as demonstrated by the facility with which Lot’s daughters seduced him). It would have been a sin for God to let them continue on that path and perpetuate that culture. Destruction was a mercy, not a punishment.

  108. Also, in the cases of incestuous siblings (whether they’re knowingly incestuous or not–the case in Germany involves a pair who didn’t know they were related until after they’d married and, IIRC, she was already carrying their baby), science comes in with discussion of genetic sexual attraction. We’re more attracted to people who’re genetically close to us, and our siblings are our closest genetic matches, so . . .

    On the other hand I’m pretty sure there are any number of siblings who weren’t raised together (thereby avoiding the Westermarck effect) who don’t immediately go mad with GSA-induced lust for each other on being introduced for the first time.

  109. So all of those preachers have done all of that preaching and they’ve never gotten through to anyone or ever changed a mind? Interesting.

    Ya frigging idiot.

  110. Lou Reed’s view.

  111. Science of course should not really be in the business of making cultural norms, though. Saying we’re naturally inclined to do something shouldn’t be read as “and therefore we SHOULD be doing it”, since murder, theft, and cannibalism all fall under that umbrella.

  112. Science of course should not really be in the business of making cultural norms,

    Heh, my own aversion to “culture” as a cultural-norm creation of science notwithstanding!

  113. heh. yes.

    Perhaps I should’ve said “ethical norms”. Science is good at what it’s designed for (finding out more about the objective state of the world), not so good at telling us what we should do with those. (Other than “study them more!”, which is science’s prerogative.)

  114. Thanks god no one has tossed “values” on the heap.

  115. those?

    how to subject-verb agreement?

  116. >>But pleading with people to take care of the health of their souls so that they won’t be miserable in this life, not to mention the next? How is that a bad thing?

    Well said! But it’s bad because it’s a total buzzkill.
    And recently, it has been redefined as “hate” which apparently the only sin on the Left. After something is defined as “hate” then the discussion is over. Or so they’ve declared.

    I expect things like pederasty, or sorry, “intergenerational relationships”, are well on their way to being normalized. And it’s probably not surprising that it’s a part of the LGBT community. Just see Eve Ensler’s “Vagina Monologues” that originally included the seduction/rape of a 13 year old girl by a 20-something lesbian, and former Safe Schools Czar Kevin Jennings’ book that included him ushering a young teen into the gay lifestyle. Hollywood has been mainstreaming this for years, in artsy films such as “The Reader.”

  117. Not fair to pin that one wholly on the LGBT movement, though. Sexualization of children for the benefit of adult observers has been happening just as much in the heterosexy world, if more subtly. It’s just if they’re gay children you really can’t condemn the poor little dears for exploring their sexuality early, often with unsuitable adult partners.

  118. Yes, science is splendidly capable of petitio principii turtles all the way down. Prof. Strauss put it thus: ” ‘Why science?’ we ask Science, and Science replies with stuttering.”

  119. HA.

    That’s why I’m a fan of Feyerabend’s epistemological anarchy, as much flack as he often gets among scientists and other philosophers of science. He’s got a very good point that some of the most heralded breakthroughs in science (work on the properties of gravity that established different-sized objects fall at the same rate, or Kekulé’s elucidation of the structure of benzene rings) look nothing like how science is said to be done.

  120. Didn’t mean to imply that it’s only LGBT, because it certainly isn’t. Just noting that it appears it’s more normalized. Eve puts it in her play, but not as a bad thing, meanwhile teachers seducing students and the Catholic church scandal are still considered bad.

  121. “…you just know where you come down on these issues without any white trash input being necessary…”

    “White trash” again, you really do envy him and his success, don’t you ?

  122. @Libby

    Yes, quite true. Like I said, though, that’s because the LGBT movement already has a shield from criticism of their sexual behavior. Still, it takes something like Miley Cyrus self-destructing on national television with pedobears to get people to venture a comment that maybe our kids are too sexualized in the heterosexual realm, too.

  123. And even then there’s a queer (ha) disconnect in some of the stories you mentioned–a female teacher seducing a male student is not nearly as scandalous as the reverse situation because boys of any age are assumed to universally be hot for teacher.

  124. Which, I should say, is not any more okay than dressing up ten-year-old girls in booty shorts and crop tops.

  125. Yeah, I was thinking of a comment the blogger zombie made over at A0S a few months ago. She/he recalled being introduced to a well known San Francisco lesbian activist by a lesbian friend at a party and how in the conversation that followed, this activist spoke quite freely about how she and others actively recruit young ladies while they’re young (trolling HS athletes) to ensure the movement grows. Zombie said she was really creeped out by how matter-of-fact the activist was about this strategy and got the hell away from her ASAP.

  126. Depressing, ain’t it? I’d give anything (metaphorically) to go to the movies where the script was about a normal hetero couple that is narrative driven with no special effects or token characters/friends with issues.

    TCM gets better all the time.

  127. “.. Too bad you didn’t start a hugely successful business, or star in a “little show”, or else people might want your opinion about the wholesomeness of men’s anuses.”

    Hahahahahaha!! Gold.

  128. I thought, “I wonder if the crazies over at PW have defended Duck Dynasty yet?”

    You guys never disappoint. And you did it in the most predictable way, “You should celebrate homophobia in the name of tolerance.”

  129. You must be “crazy” as well. You won’t leave.

  130. even if people wanted to know my thinkings about anus I would probably demur cause of I would rather talk about economic freedom and amaretto buttercream icing and ponder the question which one is more gayer…. daylight savings time or the olympics?

  131. >“You should celebrate free speechhomophobia in the name of liberty tolerance.” <

  132. Oh, Slappy did the predictable thing. He lied.

    Fuck off, Slappy.

  133. As far as I know, it’s your team that’s celebrating violent homophobia–or at least failing to get worked up about it in the case of extreme Islamist regimes where gays are actively tortured and murdered–in the name of tolerance. Not a peep about that; all peeps reserved for Duck Dynasty and Russia.

  134. Also, restating the request to have hellomynameis banned.

  135. Meanwhile, let’s see if he goes all-in for the “words and killing blows are morally equivalent, hater!” defense.

  136. it’s your team that’s celebrating violent homophobia–or at least failing to get worked up about it in the case of extreme Islamist regimes where gays are actively tortured and murdered

    Islamophobia ranks higher in the list of Lefty sins than Homophobia, dontcha know.

    The way it’s OK to lie to the Stasi about the Jews hiding in your attic.

  137. Yeah, yeah.

    That’s why I’m waiting on the “words are just as bad” defense, since that seems to be one of the cognitive mechanisms that kicks in when it’s pointed out that while we’re just disputing gayness verbally, other places are killing homosexuals. “That kind of speech gets people killed,” etc., so it’s just as awful as people actually getting killed in distant countries, regardless of a lack of a casual link.

  138. casual? causal.

  139. Oh, Slappy did the predictable thing. He lied.

    There’s a surreptitious tolerancenigger lurking around in the troll’s tolerancewoodpile. Figures.

  140. i don’t have a dog in that hunt really

    - Sure, but that never seems to stop you from making some vicious bigoted slur against women or heterosexuals or Christians now does it bugfucker.

    - Whereas Steve-dolt responded in the most predictable way, “You should celebrate heterophobia in the faux name of tolerance.”

  141. oh posh

  142. big anus’ flatulence stinks

  143. Hey! Rick Santorum was just on the news, happy.

    Say something nice about him. C’mon . . .

  144. - An example of a decent human being for bugfucker to study.

  145. i don’t like Rick Santorum leigh

    he momos up the Republican brand even worse than the anus man does

    it’s just not a good time for them ones and their antics

  146. - This should be interesting….just in time for your holiday reading list.

  147. narrative uber alles

    >And, of course, Phil is conveniently ignoring centuries upon centuries of war, bloodshed, and human enslavement committed in the name of america Christ.<

    link

  148. “You should celebrate homophobia in the name of tolerance.”

    Dog Vomit’s a heterophobe? Who’dathunkit?

  149. - A&E gets the marathon going, trying to cash in before anyone can respond to their hipocracy, because, hey they sure don’t want anything like they’re doing to Phil to happen to then, by god,

    - MSNBC – Your intolorant bigoted network never lets a faux outrage go to waste.

    - The WH gestoppo under the non-leadership of Hawii-boi continue to make legislation like they don’t need no stinkin’ Congress. By the time they get through they’ll have to rename it the “Afordable care act if you want it you can keep it and if anythings wrong just wait a few days and we’ll change it with yet another exemption because no one knows what the fuck it means anyway” law.

  150. - Cry me a river.

    - This is an obvious attempt on the part of the gay community activists to silence anyone daring to quote passages from the bible or any other source material that depicts abborent behavior in an honest light, and in particular to silence the word of God.

    - I’m pretty sure we all know who will win this battle.

  151. Harry Reid hospitalized

    - Let me know when hes dead so I can send his family a get well card.

  152. “hellomynameissteve says December 20, 2013 at 4:13 pm
    I thought, “I wonder if the crazies over at PW have defended Duck Dynasty yet?”
    You guys never disappoint. And you did it in the most predictable way, “You should celebrate homophobia in the name of tolerance.”

    No one gives a damn what you think given that you’re a lying dumb ass of no consequence.

  153. just start quoting the holey koran to the gaysters

  154. However incoherent these fixes may seem, they send two messages, loud and clear. The first is that although liberal pundits may think that the law is a done deal, impossible to repeal, the administration does not believe that. The willingness to take large risks with the program’s stability indicates that the administration thinks it has a huge amount to lose — that the White House is in a battle for the program’s very existence, not a few marginal House and Senate seats.

    - From your link nr, just for Himynameisstevetheheterophobe’s benefit since I’m sure he has OCare blinders firmly in place. apparently the Lefturd leadership does not share his beaming optimism concerning the future of ACA.

  155. Cry me a river.

    Heh.

  156. “You should celebrate free speechhomophobia in the name of liberty tolerance.” – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043193

    That’s bullshit. How do you personally feel about things like gay marriage, newrouter?

    As far as I know, it’s your team that’s celebrating violent homophobia–or at least failing to get worked up about it in the case of extreme Islamist regimes where gays are actively tortured and murdered–in the name of tolerance. Not a peep about that; all peeps reserved for Duck Dynasty and Russia. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043193

    That’s bullshit too. It was not the liberals supporting Uganda’s death penalty for gays. That was your team. Women’s rights, gay rights, workers rights – my teams the one working for those things world-wide.

    Also, restating the request to have hellomynameis banned. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043193

    See, it’s just like duck dynasty – if you say things that piss people off, they aren’t obligated to be nice to you. Glad you understand the logic.

    Dog Vomit’s a heterophobe? Who’dathunkit?

    You say the stupidest things, hands down. Being supportive of equality for gays doesn’t make you anti-hetero.

    This is an obvious attempt on the part of the gay community activists to silence anyone daring to quote passages from the bible or any other source material that depicts abborent behavior in an honest light, and in particular to silence the word of God. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043193

    If God’s pro-slavery, thinks a woman should have to marry her rapist, and thinks being gay is an abomination (after ostensibly creating gay people), then why do you worship that asshole? He’s really a total fuckface, donchathink?

    No one gives a damn what you think given that you’re a lying dumb ass of no consequence. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043193

    Take a valium. No one wants to be around you if you’re in a foul mood for the holidays.

    Happy Holidays!

  157. Andrew Sullivan is more reasonable, by far, on this subject than SBD, dalekhumper, and the little yellow thing who’s so afraid of pretty ladies.

    That says something.

  158. hey that’s no fair i haven’t said a single coherent thing on this whole subject hardly

    other than i think these low-church types diminish christianity a lot when they diminish it down to propositions like anuses are icky

  159. >That’s bullshit. How do you personally feel about things like gay marriage, newrouter? <

    make believe "marriage" like obamacare is make believe "health care" like "green energy" is make believe energy production for the 21st century, like the fed reserve make believe monetary policy: slappy the shit you've been peddling is goin' hit the fan soon

  160. slappy

    >It was not the liberals supporting Uganda’s death penalty for gays. That was your team. <

    who exactly?

  161. why do you worship that asshole? He’s really a total fuckface, donchathink?

    A more sophisticated, nuanced exegesis of scripture I’ve never seen.

    Alla sudden?

    I’m an atheist. Can’t help it: steve’s arguments were just that persuasive.

  162. > then why do you worship that asshole? <

    ask big anus?

  163. >If God’s pro-slavery, thinks a woman should have to marry her rapist, and thinks being gay is an abomination (after ostensibly creating gay people), then why do you worship that asshole? <

    ask big holey koran? i double dog dare you.

  164. When people start saying lying, cheating, and stealing are not wrong, just an alternative lifestyle as legit as any other, you’ll have a point in your comparison.

    I think a fair case can be made that on the left these are not considered wrong as long as the victim is an enemy in their eyes. They use these “methods” almost by reflex to fight for their cause. Islam is the same with believers being perfectly in the right to do these to unbelievers.

    This stems from both these systems of belief seeing themselves engaged in a continual war, real war in their minds, with all else in the world. In war “lying, cheating, stealing” from the enemy to advance one’s cause is not wrong. Not doing so is.

  165. “That’s bullshit. How do you personally feel about things like gay marriage, newrouter?”

    He feels that you’re a cliche to be fed to idiots so that they may pretend to have thoughts.

    ” That’s bullshit too. It was not the liberals supporting Uganda’s death penalty for gays. That was your team. Women’s rights, gay rights, workers rights – my teams the one working for those things world-wide. ”

    Your team ‘works’ to waste enormous amounts of money, produce nothing, and set people to fighting over minutiae as they preen. everything you touch turns to shit because you parasites are too dumb to figure out how to scratch your own asses. All you know how to do is herd fellow idiots to disaster after disaster and blame someone else for the mess.

    “See, it’s just like duck dynasty – if you say things that piss people off, they aren’t obligated to be nice to you. Glad you understand the logic.”

    Yah, the show is so incredibly unacceptable , offensive, and disturbing that A&E are seriously and soberly running a marathon of it right now to show how on the right side of things they are. And the public is so offended that DD merch is flying off the shelves. Good call Little Nowhere Man.

    “You say the stupidest things, hands down. Being supportive of equality for gays doesn’t make you anti-hetero. ”

    No, YOU say the stupidest things. See LAFFER CURVE. + GAME THEORY ! Safety net is the only thing holding back mass starvation, etc.

    “If God’s pro-slavery, thinks a woman should have to marry her rapist, and thinks being gay is an abomination (after ostensibly creating gay people), then why do you worship that asshole? He’s really a total fuckface, donchathink? ”

    And there’s the stupidest thing said so far, right there.

    “Take a valium. No one wants to be around you if you’re in a foul mood for the holidays.”

    Take a hike. No one wants to be around you. Period. And not ‘Period’ in the presidential health care promise sense either.

  166. Case in point. Which I forgot to link.

  167. I don’t like protected groups. It implies that they are somehow more than. For a bunch of people who are always screeching about equality, you’re the first to leap out and plant a flag for privilege. Why is that?

    Yet, women around the world are raped, beaten, killed, forced into underaged marriage, sold into slavery and prostitution, have acid tossed on them by men, have their children taken from them, have to move around like living tent people in the hottest countries on the planet, indeed have no rights whatsoever and you couldn’t care less. No, you’re going to make a stand for first world gays who have their thongs in a twist about an old boy like Phil Robertson quoting the Holy Bible.

    Is there a secret file of pictures of you with your college roommate engaging in a little “horseplay”? As the departed B. Moe says, “Either you suck cock or you do not suck cock. There is no gray area.”

  168. “Uganda’s death penalty for gays”

    You spelled “Iran” and “Afghanistan” funny. And to some degree “Saudi Arabia”.

  169. A more sophisticated, nuanced exegesis of scripture I’ve never seen.

    Indeed. Yet, I find myself oddly persuaded.

  170. ‘Fake but accurate’ isn’t just a river in Egypt.

  171. “Great point – because Phil Robertson made no mention of heterosexual sin.”

    I’m not talking about him. I don’t give a rat’s ass about him, or any other denizen of “popular culture”.

    I’m talking about the way all-gay, all the time has taken over this site.

    Somehow, even though looking-with-lust = adultery, and adultery was punishable under Mosaic law with exactly the same punishment as male gay sex (the Mosaic code is totally silent on lesbianism, we should note), only the gay stuff is worth hundreds of posts per week on here.

    Why is that, pray tell?

    I saw a suggestion upthread that it’s because the gay stuff is “in your face” blah-blah-blah. And adultery isn’t? Nope, no adultery of any kind in popular movies and TV shows. Never happens. Nope!

    I’m sticking with my belief that for many, the emphasis on “gay sin” is primarily because it’s a sin that the person arguing about it feels no temptation to commit.

    Gossiping about the bad housekeeping of others is always way more fun than cleaning your own house.

  172. I’ll check back later for steve’s “So’s your old man!” rejoinder.

  173. cleaning your own house is fun AND easy with the Bissell SpotBot Pet Deep Cleaner

  174. (you don’t even have to have a pet)

  175. Being supportive of equality for heteros doesn’t make you anti-homo either deuche.

  176. Being supportive of equality for gays doesn’t make you anti-hetero

    Being supportive of traditional marriage doesn’t make you anti-homo.

    Oh, wait, your ratchet of permissibility only allows one-way travel towards depravity. Heterophobe!

  177. I’m talking about the way all-gay, all the time has taken over this site.

    Well, freedom of association and all. Time for you to change the channel, right? Don’t let the door hit ya, etc…

  178. I’m sticking with my belief that for many, the emphasis on “gay sin” is primarily because it’s a sin that the person arguing about it feels no temptation to commit.

    I think that’s true for some, Spies. PW is good for theology lessons as well as language pointers.

  179. For a bunch of people who are always screeching about equality, you’re the first to leap out and plant a flag for privilege. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043233

    What priviledge? Being treated the same as everyone else? That’s not a privilege. That actually IS equality.

    Yet, women around the world are raped, beaten, killed, forced into underaged marriage, sold into slavery and prostitution, have acid tossed on them by men, have their children taken from them, have to move around like living tent people in the hottest countries on the planet, indeed have no rights whatsoever and you couldn’t care less. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043233

    Who the fuck are you to claim I couldn’t care less. I care plenty. And all that comes from the same place that homophobia comes from. Ignorance, bigotry, hatred, fear, and the dark side.

    Is there a secret file of pictures of you with your college roommate engaging in a little “horseplay”? As the departed B. Moe says, “Either you suck cock or you do not suck cock. There is no gray area.” – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043233

    You want to keep living in a world where things like that would matter and would be a valid reason to look down on someone.

    You spelled “Iran” and “Afghanistan” funny. And to some degree “Saudi Arabia”. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043233

    All backward shitholes too. There’s nothing to be learned from any of them except what not to do.

  180. >only the gay stuff is worth hundreds of posts per week on here.

    Why is that, pray tell?<

    @ 2 -5% of population the "gaysters" seem to have larger role in shaping the current culture/society than do say "tea partiers": why is that, pray tell?

  181. As the departed B. Moe

    What?

    When?

  182. > Being treated the same as everyone else? <

    go try that at a college/large corp./gov't

  183. Being supportive of traditional marriage doesn’t make you anti-homo. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043260

    Yes it does. By definition.

    And you’re not in favor of child brides, parents arranging weddings, and polygamy, so you’re not in favor of traditional marriage. You need to quit saying you are, ’cause you just make a fool of yourself.

    Well, freedom of association and all. Time for you to change the channel, right? Don’t let the door hit ya, etc… – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043260

    If you guys drive SBP out of here, that’s really bad money driving out good. He’s one of the few really smart ones left here.

  184. they done runned him off dicentra

    it was just wrong

    like a pack of bloodthirsty dogs they were

  185. Being treated the same as everyone else? = Enduring jibes and criticism and mockery without punitive retaliation.

    What’s that popular musical on Broadway? Does it make fun of my religion? Why yes. Yes it does.

    Whatta we gonna do about it?

    Purchase advertising on taxicabs and buses saying: “See the musical; read the book.”

    If GLAAD weren’t such malicious little twerps hell-bent on revenge, they’d just go ahead and make lemonade out of lemons, the way “everybody else” does.

  186. @ 2 -5% of population the “gaysters” seem to have larger role in shaping the current culture/society than do say “tea partiers”: why is that, pray tell? – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52240#comment-1043264

    Which is why, out of all the topics you could have talked about, you went out of your way to put up a post siding with Duck Fucking Dynasty – A show most of you have said you don’t even watch.

  187. >Yes it does. By definition.<

    thanks for the "definition" big anus 501c3

  188. Yes it does. By definition.

    - Only by the assholes that populate the Lefturdian Utopia. In other words those that need definitions to support their bullshit claims.

    - People who believe in the word of God for the most part don’t care enough about your social misfit gay-bois to even have an opinion about their aborrent lifestyle.

    - So, wrong on both counts Steve-dolt.

  189. >you went out of your way to put up a post siding with Duck Fucking Dynasty <

    get back to us when you are protesting the leader of iran/hamas/plo/mo bros. and their views on de fags

  190. big anus and big vagina are proggtard buddies

  191. What? When?

    He got mad and left. He’s not pushing up daisies.

  192. as far as we know

  193. He got mad and left. He’s not pushing up daisies.

    Oh, that departed.

    Good. We’ve had enough actual deaths in the families around here.

  194. Who the fuck are you to claim I couldn’t care less. I care plenty.

    I’m a doctor. Who are you? And if you are oh so caring, tells us what you are doing to remedy the situation.

  195. you went out of your way to put up a post siding with Duck Fucking Dynasty

    And you went out of your way to comment at the bottom of a huge freaking thread.

    Bored much?

  196. - Notice how Hellomyassissoreandihaveaquarterinmyhand skipped over the latest round of WH legislation concerning the worlds biggest slow motion train wreck. Why is that do yah suppose?

  197. Because he’s stupid, BBH?

  198. “I care plenty.”

    Yet you do nothing.

    “Yes it does. By definition.”

    Got it, you are of the ilk that demands not only total acceptance, but also affirmation of libcauseX or you are whateverphobic. Name calling is easier than thinking, as you so readily demonstrate.

    “He’s one of the few really smart ones left here.”

    A cohort in which you would not be included.

  199. I’m talking about the way all-gay, all the time has taken over this site.

    The Yellow Peril aside, I suspect you’ve got your bookmarks confused. Perhaps you’ve confusing pw with someplace else that summarizes the news.

  200. Yes it does. By definition.

    And your insisting that people violate their religious beliefs in support of a ceremony they do not agree with is specifically anti-hetero.* By definition.

    Deal with it, heterophobe.

    * – not to mention the ongoing violations of their First Amendment rights.

  201. Yes it does. By definition.

    No it doesn’t. By definition.

  202. >only the gay stuff is worth hundreds of posts per week on here. <

    tip of the iceberg of general lawlessness from the gayster community. don't like the results of a ref on "gay marriage" find a gay fed judge to overturn it.
    nm supremes found a penumbra to ok gay "marriage". then baracky be changing aca at a whim. effin' illegals be trying to smuggle their kids into the country and baracky be helping them. eff this 3rd world banana rep. stuff.

  203. Spies, if you’re still reading: no one (except a few) like to talk about the gays all the time. Or the blacks, Or sports. Or anything all the time.

    The media has pulled the plug on the news and it did it about 90 days ago. So here we are.

    How’s about those Penguins, eh?

  204. - So Stev-dolt, are you one of the total idiots that actually have managed to “sign-up” for OCare and sent in a preminm on a policy they won’t know esists for sure until they get sick and try to actaully file a claim?

    - Inquiring minds want to know.

  205. Phil Robertson aka The Duck Commander made a local visit

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3MwBGsj7kw

    Some of this stuff make the GQ interview look tame.

  206. The media has pulled the plug on the news and it did it about 90 days ago. So here we are.

    - Well Leigh, after all, with OCare being such a world-class failure thats there every waking day to greet the news cycle what choice did they have?

  207. My governor was on the radio talking with Laura Ingraham today. She says out of 600K+ citizens who are uninsured, <1600 have signed up. The rest aren't eligible for anything affordable and are saying "screw it".

  208. Ovi, 400, empty net.

  209. what choice did they have?

    *sigh* I know. It’s that or read up about FLOTUS’ guns and choices of pie.

  210. So Stev-dolt, are you one of the total idiots that actually have managed to “sign-up” for OCare and sent in a preminm on a policy they won’t know esists for sure until they get sick and try to actaully file a claim?

    - Inquiring minds want to know.

    No, Dog Vomit claims to live in Oregon, and that state’s official in charge of their state exchange just resigned for spending tens of millions of dollars to sign up exactly ZERO people. So there is no way he could have gotten insurance through his state exchange, and he has been caught in a lie.

    Again.

  211. It’s not that you’re not saying nice things–as you might notice other regulars frequently fail to say nice things to each other–as you’ve demonstrated no real interest in doing anything except talking to the strawmen you create out of other people’s comments.

    Also, my point was not about the death penalty in one country, it’s the studious avoidance of jumping on one particular Abrahamic religion’s draconian enforcement of sexual morality laws by “your” team, in favor of coming after other religious statements of distaste for current sexual mores or lack thereof. You, hellomynameissteve, may not feel much at home with people on “your” team who ignore abuses in the name of religion and social policy to kill people as long as they happen in third-world hellholes, but you’re also bent on painting us as approving of every single thing that the Republicans/Christian churches/etc. have ever done, ever, whether or not we agree with them or think of them as on “our” team.

    If you’d like to engage with the commentariat here as an individual talking to other individuals on subjects about which there’s much disagreement, go for it. But don’t come in as a representative for Team D, talking about how we on “Team R” (which few of us actually ARE) are idiots and bigots and violent reprobates who don’t know what’s good for the country, then be surprised when you receive return fire aimed at Team D as well as at you.

    @SBP: I qualitatively disproved the “100s of posts” figure on the previous post. If you don’t want to talk about Teh Ghey, then it might be best not to talk about how you hate other people talking about it so much and either: 1) Ignore those discussions entirely or 2) Redirect them when they show up in a comment thread that’s not explicitly about them. Going “STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS” is like telling people to stop thinking of a rhinoceros, especially if you don’t give them anything ELSE to think/talk about.

  212. Qualitatively = quantitatively in the last paragraph, above. I fixed it and then fixed it back to the wrong one.

  213. - This is apparently what hellomynameisstevetheheteropbe is gnashing his teeth about.

    - See, when a Marxist country does something the Lefturds can’t find any viable way to excuse they go after the next available enemy – Classic Liberals and Conservatives.

    - Its whats for dinner!

  214. >This is apparently what hellomynameisstevetheheteropbe is gnashing his teeth about. <

    the dropping of the fags off of buildings in islamoland notsomuch. they be "brown" peeps and ed said said "you imperialist whiteys don't understand"

  215. Interesting. So the death penalty is not actually included in the version passed, HMNIS’s claims to the contrary.

    From the standpoint of an armchair epidemiologist, the fact it’s life imprisonment for HIV-positives who have homosexual sex is actually…really interesting. I believe it was several years ago that Australia had a civil suit going for an HIV-positive man who’d infected his (female) partners, and that was treated like he’d committed slow-motion murder–at least in the press, as I remember. So there’s some parallel in the treatment there.

    Granted my feelings on STI transmission in homosexual OR heterosexual populations is that we’re doing no one favors by promoting barrier sex without condemning rampant promiscuity. Ditto injectable drug use and clean needle programs. The way you get rid of a disease that’s seriously harming a population is not by encouraging the carriers to continue doing what they’re doing but “just be a little bit safer,” it’s cut them out of social life until they’re no longer infectious.

  216. > it’s cut them out of social life until they’re no longer infectious.<

    most of the groups in the demonrat apartheid

  217. So the death penalty is not actually included in the version passed, HMNIS’s claims to the contrary

    An untruth? Shocking!

  218. - Fats Domino has been named honorary grand marshal of the Krewe of Orpheus, the star-studded Carnival club that traditionally parades the night before Mardi Gras.

    - Some things just make me feel old, but still I’m glad for him. One of the good guys.

  219. Are they the Indians?

  220. - Don’t know Leigh, but if not they should be.

    - If this is the result of GLAADs plan “A” they’re going to need to pivot to plan “B” tout suite’.

  221. “…And today, as Walmart refused to comment on the future of their relationship with the TV family, just one glimpse at the chainstore’s website shows fans are flocking to buy Duck Dynasty merchandise amid the furor over patriach Phil Robertson’s homophobic comments.

    - There must be damn good reasons why WalMart is the largest retailer in the world, but I’m sure no one in Lefturdia would be able to suss them out.

  222. Women’s rights, gay rights, workers rights – my teams the one working for those things world-wide.

    Except when your “multicultural” leftist brainwashing takes over and you give the muslims a pass, Stevie.

  223. - *Chuckle*. Must be one of those items that just can’t be linked enough nr. Besides, if it give Progressives heart burn do it in spades.

  224. And positive rights don’t just magically appear out of nowhere, either. I’m 100% behind campaigning for people’s rights to be unmolested for who and what they are, but when “unmolested” is increasingly redefined as “treated with kid gloves” and even “catered to”, you lose me.

  225. he’s known as clowndisaster™ for a reason

  226. How about trying to hounding people out of business a la Chik-fil-A, Pellegri?

    That worked really well.

  227. >Duck Dynasty’s $400m empire flourishes despite homophobia racism scandal <

    frame the gayster/proggtard narrative

  228. It’s party time for the guys in the tower of Babel
    Sodom meet Gomorrah, Cain meet Abel
    Have a ball y’all
    See the letches crawl
    With the call girls under the table
    Watch them dig their graves
    `Cause Jesus don’t save the guys
    In the tower of Babel

    In case you’re wondering, a couple of butt pirates wrote that.

  229. “And positive rights don’t just magically appear out of nowhere, either.”

    Indeed: “Muslim protesters have taken to the streets of London to demand that shops and restaurants refrain from selling alcohol.

    Dozens gathered on Brick Lane to voice their disapproval, and warned retailers they face 40 LASHES if they continue to sell the product.”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-brick-lane-protest-muslim-2926404

  230. I’ll bet Elton and Bernie could figure that mess out. And I bet I’d agree with them. But not the Islamists.

  231. Leigh, it certainly did.

    For a given value of “works well” that equates to total failure.

    Speaking of there’s now a Chik-fil-A within a few miles of me! I need to go check out their tasty chicken and waffle fries.

  232. I heart Chick-fil-A. In a big way.

    And Barilla pasta, too. I almost got tossed into time-out on eGullet for not calling the Barilla family bigot-y bigots what are bigoted when they announced they would never produce a commercial for their wares using gay couples.

    Those folks at eG don’t understand the free market. Or Italians.

  233. Women’s rights, gay rights, workers rights – my teams [sic] the one working for those things world-wide.

    Just not in the U.S.:

    “Democratic Campaigns Pay African American, Hispanic Staffers Less: African Americans paid 70 cents on the dollar compared to white counterparts on Democratic campaigns”

    Well, well, well…

  234. > gay couples<

    stealing language

    Uriah Heep – Stealin’ (1973)

  235. shorter Dog Vomit:

    “But… but… Rethuglicans put women in BINDERS!

  236. Clarence just jumped off the bridge to save George Bailey.

    I may need to go.

  237. Oh, and the DHS under Obumbles is not only allowing, but downright encouraging human trafficking…

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/19/judge-claims-dhs-parents-smuggle/

    So not so much for the laws under Bumbles, eh, Dog Vomit? I wonder if DV would accept Bumbles ignoring election laws like he’s been ignoring all of the others…

  238. @dicentra

    I’m pretty sure that they also pay female staffers less in the White House.

    Granted because I am pretty critical of OH NOES PAY GAP it may be due to the same factors that result in women getting less monetary compensation on average in other industries (more time off, more flex hours, etc.), but it kinda looks ugly anyway one slices it.

  239. Pell, that might very well be when comparing women and men, but when minorities get paid less by the Democrats, that is a horse of another color…

    To coin a phrase…

  240. DHS under Obumbles is not only allowing, but downright encouraging human trafficking

    Say! That’s right close to home! No need for visas and extra vaccinations. Roll up those sleeves steve and show us that you care!

  241. @ havel
    Judged merely in general terms, one can say
    that Czech national culture and its sense of morality had never
    before suffered the sort of outrage theydid from the organizers of
    the ‘protest’ against the Charter and what was intended as a mass
    disavowal of it. The fact that the establishment gave the task of
    defending its positions to the usual political and journalistic hacks
    was probably a case of Hobson’s choice in an emergency, but it
    gained it nothing and was just one further error, since those gentlemen’s
    standards are notorious. As could be expected, they immediately
    brought into play against the Charter a whole set of slanders,
    distortions, abuse, half-truths and absolute falsehoods which all
    represent the dismal range of their capacity. Ispeak from experience
    as one who has been a favourite target for their sort of behaviour for
    the past thirty years, and who could well lay claim to the laurels of
    seniority and worthy service. Though the powers that be may not
    know it, or rather, would sooner not know it, nay, cannot afford to
    know it (for where else would they find more obedient, unscrupulous
    and servile creatures), the media are the principal, albeit
    unintentional, creators and encouragers of opposition, since they
    are totaJIy suspect and nobody believes them. People almost automatically
    take for gospel the opposite of what the papers say. Once
    all-powerful, the media were capable of pointing the finger that
    condemned people to death. As they lost all credibility they also lost
    some of their power, and at the very least were obliged to change
    their methods, if not their ends. Nowadays, they do not directly fix
    the noose around people’s necks, but they do endeavour to destroy
    their honour and slay them with a hail of repeated slanders and lies,

  242. In similar news, gay marriage was made legal in Utah today by judicial fiat.

  243. OUT YOU TWO PIXIES GO, TRUE DA DOOR OR OUT DA WINDOW!

  244. They’re not there either: Zuzu’s Petals

  245. gay marriage is a fiat. putt putt wheeze like a fag trabant.

  246. gey marriage running on 3 sumthing

  247. mock them on the beaches et al

  248. It was made legal through judicial fiat in New Mexico, too…

    Why do we need those lousy legislatures that keep refusing to knuckle under to less than 4% of the population when we can get a sympathetic guy in a robe to write law?

    Dog Vomit needs to get out there and start protesting against such actions, or be exposed as a hypocrite when such fiats gore his own personal ox.

  249. - ….And so the Jug eared liar-in-chief stays true to form ending the year at his last presser for ’13 with a whale of a whopper. But then again he was oh so careful not to mention any names, which will let him squeek by later when no records can be found.

    - OTOH this is one of those nuances the Lefturds are always so fond of yammering about.

    - Just what would be the point of Bumblefuck meeting with HHS people “every week or three”.

    - This so smacks of:

    Reporter: “Did I see you near the kitchen in the past 3 years?”

    Bumblefuck: “I never touched those cookies…I was never anywhere near that jar…..my staff will support my alibi, whatever lie I come up with….fingerprints on the jar…..crumbs on my shirt….chcolate chips on my breath…..all circumstantial!”

    - Too much knee-jerk answer for far more than was asked for by yards.

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/12/20/Obama-Claims-He-Met-Regularly-with-Website-Team-Before-Obamacare-Launch

  250. Oh, Zuzu’s petals are back and it’s snowing.

  251. “What priviledge? Being treated the same as everyone else? That’s not a privilege. That actually IS equality.”

    That is an example of some self important twerp jerkin’ the gerkin’ and trying to disguise it as noble caring.

    “Who the fuck are you to claim I couldn’t care less. I care plenty. And all that comes from the same place that homophobia comes from. Ignorance, bigotry, hatred, fear, and the dark side. ”

    No, you don’t care. Just about everything you type is a lame fake show, a clown drama that you think earns you some cheap grace.

    ” You want to keep living in a world where things like that would matter and would be a valid reason to look down on someone. ”

    You want to keep living in a world where you accusations have weight and your assertions are automatically fungible. But you fucked that up. Too bad.

    “All backward shitholes too. There’s nothing to be learned from any of them except what not to do. ”

    Then DC is a backwards shithole too. So is Detroit. And California. And New York. Oh well.

  252. The rest of us, however, are still living in Pottersville.

  253. “Yes it does. By definition.”

    It is a ridiculous and flawed definition mainly promulgated by dishonest assholes who do nothing but grind axes for a living.

  254. karlthedog clowndisasters die in pa

  255. “If you guys drive SBP out of here, that’s really bad money driving out good. He’s one of the few really smart ones left here.”

    Yeah, that means a lot coming from a silly turd like you steve.

  256. Clarence just got his wings.

  257. the trolls should be ignored at this point.

  258. >“If you guys drive SBP out of here,<

    sbp is an individual and will make that his/hers decision on their own you g=ddamn commie

  259. But don’t you see?

    The guy who never approved of us or thought at all well of us in the first place will disapprove even more.

    He’s got these really weird ideas about how much we value his moral condemnation in our decision-making.

  260. lying liars what lies

    >He said he loves the show and watches it on Air Force One,” Willie said. – See more at: http://weaselzippers.us/2013/12/20/obama-loves-duck-dynasty-watches-aboard-air-force-one/#sthash.F1gUzSMK.xOuFE7GE.dpuf&lt;

  261. “keep that “health insurance too”

  262. baracky be a effen’ liar. hi billy ayers,

  263. hi nsa

  264. hi irs

  265. - Bristol, like mama, gets it:

    “I think it’s so hypocritical how the LGBT community expects every single flippen person to agree with their life style,” Bristol wrote in a post headlined “Leave Phil Robertson Alone! “This flies in the face of what makes America great — people can have their own beliefs and own opinions and their own ways of life. Everyone needs to treat others like God would, with love. It goes both ways.”

  266. you can see she’s trying super hard to be coherent

    it’s kind of sweet

  267. my gay friend P brought me my christmas tonight

    how thoughtful is this?

    it’s an external battery for my samsung to where I’ll have like 50+ hours before I absolutely have to charge

    this is really thoughtful cause of i told him how crippled i am cause I’m so all over the place at work and if my phone dies and I’m not near my laptop it’s really easy for me to miss calls, so this is the ideal solution for that

    for his christmas I got him a couple nights at a hotel so him and his partner J can make gay sex over the holidays – how super-thoughtful was that?

    extremely!

    but we are both super-thoughtful people

    we treat each other like God would I think – you know – with love!

    and that’s your christmas moment with your special guest happyfeet

  268. And us? We’re Queen of England.

  269. Queen of England flies in the face of what makes America great

  270. And so did feets ever get down to figuring out what the Bible says about homosexuality, or is he still stuck on Charlie Brown being crucified?

  271. the Bible says the anus-lovin ain’t cool Mr. Drumwaster

    and lo in the heavens an ang3l appeareth, and he said lo unto the shepherds that had gatherdeth – fuk mor poosay dudes!

    and the shepherds says it is as daddy duck sayeth

    and pleasant was the poosay in their sight

  272. You’re still confusing the sin with the sinner, but I shouldn’t expect more of someone like you…

    Try the kindergartener’s Sunday School classes, and you might learn something. Plus they’ll let you eat all the glue you want.

  273. Bristol says you should treat me like God would Mr. Drumwaster – you know – with love!

    I’m not feeling the love

  274. You know that you’re doing wrong, and you choose to continue in your doing wrong, so I will follow the orders of Jesus. (Look it up for yourself, and think it over.)

    Matthew 10:14-15

    *shake, shake*

  275. During the civil rights movement, there were those who wanted change and those who did not.

    One group turned fire hoses and dogs on the other.

    Now we have two groups again: one that wants change and one that does not.

    The fire hoses are on again, but who’s turning them on whom?

    Think about it, won’t you?

  276. - Maybe so di, but there is a big difference. Their little hoses shrivel up the moment they have to risk anything of value, commit skin to the game for real, unless its for celeb on some brain-fucked reality show. That they will do for about 15 minutes.

    - They simply do not believe anything is worth while. S’for suckers dontcha lnow.

  277. - Settled law thats unrepealable, or “The mandate that ain’t”, take your pick.

    seems Nancy Pelosi was wrong when she said “we have to pass” ObamaCare to “find out what’s in it.” No one may ever know because the White House keeps treating the Affordable Care Act’s text as a mere suggestion subject to day-to-day revision. Its latest political retrofit is the most brazen: President Obama is partly suspending the individual mandate.

    The White House argued at the Supreme Court that the insurance-purchase mandate was not only constitutional but essential to the law’s success, while refusing Republican demands to delay or repeal it. But late on Thursday, with only four days to go before the December enrollment deadline, the Health and Human Services Department decreed that millions of Americans are suddenly exempt.

    - So when does the gestoppo WH issue the SPPA “Single payer plan act” of 2014? In the transformed America of Bumblefuck, the congress is no longer needed.

  278. - BTW, did cha notice hellomyassissore came and went without touching that subject with a fork.

    - In other words the whole DD thing is the usual cover so the Lefturds don’t have to deal with OCare while Bumblefuck excapes to Hawaii.

    - Have a nice vac on the taxpayers nickle jug ears.

  279. hellomynameissteve says December 20, 2013 at 4:13 pm

    I thought, “I wonder if the crazies over at PW have defended Duck Dynasty yet?”

    You guys never disappoint. And you did it in the most predictable way, “You should celebrate homophobia in the name of tolerance.”

    Using the voices in your head to put words in the mouth of the people you hate does not count as insight, steve.

  280. Hey everybody I just want you to know that I deeply care about vertebrates and don’t wish for vertebrate life to become extinct tomorrow. And that’s very important and world changing that I have that thought in my head. I am NOT one of those people advocating for the end of vertebrate life. Now gimme a cookie for to celebrate my powerful moving tale of evolved spiritual specialness.

  281. I hope that inspired the shit out of all of you and really picked you up and made your day a little warmer and fizzier. I am a giver.

  282. ”You want to keep living in a world where things like that would matter and would be a valid reason to look down on someone.

    Says the douchebag who walked in and excreted this:

    I thought, “I wonder if the crazies over at PW have defended Duck Dynasty yet?”

    Eat another dick, freak. And then drop dead, k?

  283. you can see she’s trying super hard to be coherent

    She’s perfectly clear and easy to understand. You, on the other hand, are anything but.

  284. “Well, freedom of association and all. Time for you to change the channel, right? Don’t let the door hit ya, etc…”

    Go fuck yourself, son. You don’t get to tell me what to say, and I’m not going anywhere.

    Have you ever looked on a woman with lust, or do you have that “Low T” problem I keep hearing about?

    The left comes up with these faux “controversies” and you react like a rat in a fucking Skinner box.

  285. “[quantitatively] disproved the “100s of posts” figure on the previous post.

    There are 297 comments on this thread alone, the majority of which are about the ghey.

    There are 384 comments on the (nominal) home schooling thread. Mostly, again, about the ghey.

    That’s just two posts that are still on the front page. I think your “quantitative proof” is somewhat lacking.

  286. “Women’s rights, gay rights, workers rights – my teams the one working for those things world-wide.”

    Your “team” claims to be working for those things, while actually working to institute a totalitarian state.

    Some of know about that pile of 100 million corpses leftism has racked up. Some of us know how women, gays, and workers were actually treated in the Worker’s Paradise that was the Soviet Union, and how women, gays, and workers are treated today in China, North Korea, and Cuba.

    Save your lies for your low information voters, Slaphead. We’re wise to you.

  287. “She’s perfectly clear and easy to understand. You, on the other hand, are anything but.”

    B-but but… but Cran-nut oat muffins and Schroeder playing silent night on the piano! And momodooles!

  288. momodooles -> momodoodles

    Probably.

  289. SBP:

    Ah, see. You’re saying “posts” and meaning what I’d call “comments”. I hear “posts” and think “blog posts,” which don’t meet a 50 to 75% ratio of being mostly about the gay. The comments I admit to being too lazy to count by hand but you are correct in that right now comment activity on those two posts (and the subsequent gay derail) is dominant. So that’s my bad.

    But comment numbers always blow up when HMNIS or Dalekhunter get involved in a thread, I’ve noticed, whether or not gay rights are involved. (Ditto happyfeet launching into one of his bugaboos.) newrouter is also single-handedly capable of driving comment counts up substantially on his own, and since misbehavior from the sexually liberated left is one of his bugaboos, we see a lot of it from him–and that’s what derailed the homeschooling thread in the first place.

    I suppose what I’m saying here is that you’re painting with a very broad brush (concerning what causes comment counts to blow up and why) and unintentionally causing more of the behavior you dislike (i.e., the undue focus on What the Gays are Doing Today) by continuing to attack it when you see it. Granted that gets into the … defeatist? is maybe not the word I’m looking for but whatever … mindset of feeling like a wrong must go unopposed to right it, but I really think most people (outside a couple of the above examples) are not pathologically interested in dwelling on “people being gay” so much as “people behaving in a grossly illiberal fashion toward each other in the name of tolerance”.

    Given that, I think the reason a lot of this is couched in terms of “oh look what GLAAD did now” and therefore dwelling on the activities of defenders of homosexuality versus defenders of other Biblical sins is that there’s not a really vocal Adulterer’s Alliance that’s shutting people down for saying adultery is bad. There doesn’t need to be; it’s largely culturally acceptable now, ditto with looking on a woman or a man with lust and being extremely vocal about doing so. (Not that I would mind discussion about what these cultural norms mean for people who happen to disagree with them; in fact I’d welcome it.)

    I don’t know. I guess that’s a roundabout way of saying I understand your displeasure with what’s going on, but the commentariat around here is primarily responding to what they’re given (in terms of recent news stories, passing trolls, whatever). I admit I’d like to see more and more diverse issues tackled myself, but … here is where I run out of mental energy to make whatever point I was attempting to make.

    Suffice to say, I get it. I apologize for misunderstanding the basis you were making the 50-75% assessment on, and I enjoy reading your comments, and I can agree that we’d be enriched by less focus on a single issue, especially in the comment threads. I don’t agree the underlying issue is a weird fascination with that issue (for most people) so much as it’s just what they’ve got to go on, so maybe the better idea is to just introduce more stuff to talk about that isn’t “oh those wacky gays”.

  290. …And also good point re> going after it like a rat in a Skinner box. I think that’s the better meat of the argument rather than trying to dissect people’s preferences for hating on this Biblical sin or that.

    If we’re getting after our political opponents for ginning up faux outrage to get people’s fee-fees in a knot over something, we should be equally sensitive to being emotionally played by those same people for predictable responses. It serves them just as much to piss us off even if what sets us off is different from what does it for the World Championship of Victimhood Poker spectators.

  291. What dicentra said (as is usually the case.)

    If a particular battle doesn’t interest you, move on.

  292. I do like that comment quite a bit. dicentra says a lot of things I wish I had the clarity and courage to say.

  293. A new and unique response would be Robertson suing GLAAD for tortious interference with a business relationship. That might start a trend we could use.

  294. Potentially. I’m kind of cautious about that use of the legal system, though; ditto the repeated comments that the current executive rout of separation of powers/etc. is going to be “so bad” for the left when (if) power switches hands.

    On the one hand, it’s good precedent to strike back against people who frequently use the law to cover their own antisocial behavior. On the other, if it’s wrong if them to use the law in such a fashion, should we be also using it in such a fashion or instead working to remove the parts of it that permit that kind of abuse?

    Granted that kind of argument is mealy-mouthed equivocation because of course intent matters; if I made the argument about murder versus killing in self-defense it would be blatantly obvious that it’s not okay to do one while it’s morally permissible to do the other.

    …I guess what I’m saying is it bad on its face to bring that kind of lawsuit against someone? It’s clear to me it’s bad on its face to gut the Constitution/separation of powers/etc. even if by doing so we’d achieve a (temporary) good through (pick one: repeal of Obabocare, sweeping financial reform, gutting the EPA/NSA/DoE) because that does irreparable damage to the ability of the government to function as–a not-tyranny… But given we’ve seen cases of spurious litigation along all kinds of lines in the past being used to hound people, is it nevertheless still all right to bring a serious case of that sort to court–no wait I answered myself, of course it’s okay. False rape accusations and fake cases of child abuse don’t devalue the court’s role in meting out justice in verifiable cases of child abuse or rape.

  295. It seems to me that turning the hounds that people like GLAAD have unleashed around to bite them in the ass would be an entertaining, satisfying and enlightening object lesson.

    It’s one thing to advocate for acceptance of your point of view. It’s another thing to threaten people for being in relationships they don’t like. There should be a price associated with that sort of behavior and there’s a tort on the books to deal with it.

  296. Oh wow. To dicentra’s earlier point, have this alarming thing.

  297. Pablo,

    Understood. I confused myself temporarily on the issue but having given it some thought (out loud, as it were), I agree.

  298. Hi Steve and Dale.
    Harvey Levin the creator of cable TVs TMZ defends Phil. Harvey says he-Harvey-is gay. Levin said it isn’t hatred, but a misdirected religious belief.

    The sponsors of “Duck Dynasty” have told A&E if Phil walks they’ll go with them.

    See what I did there Steve.

    And Obama kills Obamacare. If your insurance has been cancelled you can get catastrophic coverage. Word from the White House. More people believe in Bigfoot than the efficacy of Obamacare. That is a very small subset.

    Liberalism has taken a mighty blow to its…………………………credentials.

    And Dale. It isn’t homophobia. Nobody is afraid of folk that can decorate an interior that well. It’s more like homo-shut-the-fuck-up-and-get-married-already-and-get-back-to-work-phobia.

  299. “I was a little surprised, given how vile the comments are, given the very rapidly shifting norms about how people feel about love between people of the same gender, right?”

    *

  300. “And now for something completely different…”

    Obamacare Is Falling Apart Before Our Eyes

  301. You don’t get to tell me what to say, and I’m not going anywhere

    Then get over your heebie-jeebies about the fact that others might wish to discuss a topic that you don’t like. If you don’t want to participate, then fine, no one is forcing you to do so. But if your only input is “Geez, the pillow biters again?“, then maybe you are the one that has the low-T(olerance) problem. Move on to the next topic, rather than trying to disparage those who are choosing to fight back on the culture side, since it is culture that drives the politics, not the other way around.

    And my sin count is between me and my Deity. (Forgiven is better than your brand of bitterness.) I’ll try to send down some ice water when you die, but I doubt you will ever get to see any.

  302. Pablo says December 21, 2013 at 7:06 am

    This was on television? I have to say this is vile. Phil Robertson’s comments were not “vile” or even vulgar. I’m still trying to figure out (not really) why there is so much CYA going on with all the talking heads. I’m further becoming convinced that there are no straights in The Industry and that accounts for almost all television shows both sucking and blowing.

  303. Obamacare Is Falling Apart Before Our Eyes

    Nice analysis at “The Weekly Standard” but it assumes as a basic premise that any and all or the now 14? kingly pronouncements have a legal basis. Since the mandate is legally a tax can that tax be arbitrarily waived for some and not for all. If that action is legal then the IRS need not change anything about the “501s” it can just make contributions to “tea party” or “patriot” groups not tax deductible and those to “progressive” groups get an extra helping of deductibility.

    Nice to be King.

  304. The Weekly Standard isn’t still laboring under the delusion that O’care must be fixed or that the GOP must come up with an alternate plan, is it?

    Since Obama is gutting his own law, extra-legally, I say stand back and let it fall apart.

  305. I’m doing a lot of blog-hopping and no sleeping this morning, but another random interesting bit found on my travels: Labeling a stigmatized condition as being “genetic” actually increases stigma for that condition.

    Which: weird, but not totally unexpected.

  306. It’s good for the King (so thinks the King in his partial manner of thinking) to be King. Not necessarily nice, not even to the King himself, and certainly not nice for those who reside downhill from his outpouring of bodily wastes. But, nevermind them, since what is nice for them was never a consideration to begin with.

    However any of that may be, what is actually nice (in the crisp sense of the term) for the one-time Republic which once stood in this land, is a precise reading of the meaning and intention of the impeachment clauses among the powers granted to the Legislative branch in the US Constitution — granted as a protection of those powers themselves, as well as primarily a protection of the well-being of the people for whom the Republican government was conceived and implemented.

    A fair reading, I vouch, would reveal that those clauses were intended for circumstances precisely akin to those we now behold in the actions of this out of control Executive, Pambasileias ClownDisaster. What would not be nice — what would tantamout to a complete and utterly disastrous surrender of the Republic entirely, in fact — would be the failure of the Congress to make an appropriate use of those clauses.

  307. It’s clear to me it’s bad on its face to gut the Constitution/separation of powers/etc. even if by doing so we’d achieve a (temporary) good through (pick one: repeal of Obabocare, sweeping financial reform, gutting the EPA/NSA/DoE) because that does irreparable damage to the ability of the government to function as–a not-tyranny…

    A question and a thought:

    Can the government function as a not-tyranny, given it’s current reach, breadth and scope, and our current rapidly shifting norms for political behavior?

    This is why I’ve been saying for a couple of years now that we’re flirting with Sulla/Franco/Pinochet territory, so to speak. And that’s a one-time proposition with no guarantee of success.

  308. - Seems to me that all depends on whether, and when, we reach critical mass Ernst.

  309. things I wish I had the clarity and courage to say.

    Courage? I’m commenting on a blog post under a pseudonym. I risk nothing.

    God grant me the courage to say it when it will actually cost me.

    Their little hoses shrivel up the moment they have to risk anything of value, … They simply do not believe anything is worthwhile.

    They believe that they ought to be in charge and that their enemies should be destroyed by any means possible.

    Just as the Nazis did.

    Never underestimate the lengths they’ll go to in pursuit of that power. The executive branch bureaucracies are not being militarized for nothing.

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