December 18, 2013

Ohio Democrats: “If you like your children, you can keep your children …” [Darleen Click]

What ever gave you the idea that you know what’s best for your own children?

If a bill introduced by four Democrats in the Ohio Senate last week becomes law, it would be the most radical homeschooling law in the country, stripping parents of their constitutionally guaranteed right to direct the education of their children and requiring interrogations by social workers before homeschooling is permitted. Home School Legal Defense Association’s Michael Donnelly said SB 248 is “breathtakingly onerous in its scope” and called it the “worst-ever” homeschool law that has been proposed. [...]

The proposed law would require parents desiring to homeschool or enroll their children in an online school (public or private) to pass a background check. [For the sake of simplicity I will use the term "homeschooling" to refer to both homeschooling and e-schooling as they both have the same requirements under this bill.] A finding that a parent or anyone else in the home had “a record or report of any investigation at any time” could result in denial of the right to homeschool. Note that the standard is not guilt, merely a “record or report of an investigation.” This could be from a vindictive ex-wife, a busybody neighbor who is concerned about seeing children in the yard during school hours, or simply someone at the grocery store who doesn’t approve of the way you scolded your irritable child.

In addition to the background check, the parent requesting “permission” to homeschool must submit to an interrogation interview by a “public children services agency.” The law would require children to be interviewed separately from their parents. Based upon the interview, the request for permission to homeschool could be denied if the social worker decides that home education would not be “in the best interest of the child.” According to ParentalRights.org, the “best interest” standard is a severe departure from American law. ”[E]xcept in cases where a parent has been proven to be “unfit,” American law presumes that the parent is acting in the best interests of the child, and defers to that parent’s decision.”

If parents (and children) manage to pass the background check and the initial interrogation, they will still need to pass two additional “interviews” during the school year until they can go four straight years without arousing the suspicions of social workers before they are free from the intrusive investigations.

In addition to the interrogations and the background checks, anyone in the home who pings the statewide automated child welfare information system must submit to an intervention program. The intervention would include behavioral counseling sessions and classes on “parenting, decision-making, personal or household finance, and homeschooling.” Oh, and also, “any other services the department and the state board determine to be necessary for the success of the program.” Participants will be assessed to “determine successful completion of the program.” That should effectively counteract most of that right-wing brainwashing.

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  1. This has been on the NEA’s agenda for years. At least five years ago IIRC, it published a document of goals where this sort of law was suggested as a predicate for outlawing homeschooling and ultimately private schooling, as well. After the predictable furor, the doc was consigned to the memory hole. Make no mistake. The statists and their foot soldiers in the teachers’ unions will not stop until they have control of our children from the moment of birth on.

  2. And note well: the impetus for this was a failure on the part of the state, when it was informed of problems with this specific family and chose to do nothing. The solution? Destroy homeschooling for everyone in Ohio.

  3. it’s like when your sister does something wrong and your mother yells at you too.

    Am I still bitter? not at all

  4. - The Uber annal retentive Progressives among us are worried that increasing use ogf home schooling will let large numbers of youth escape their collctivist clutches. Fuck ‘em.

  5. Public school teachers and administrators will be subject to the same strict scrutiny as homeschoolers, of course?

  6. job protectionism

  7. Public school teachers and administrators will be subject to the same strict scrutiny as homeschoolers, of course?

    Ooooh! I like the cut of your jib.

  8. And note well: the impetus for this was a failure on the part of the state…

    Be fair, Sherm — if they didn’t propose heavy-handed solutions that have no chance of solving the problem, then how would they be able to justify next year’s heavy-handed solutions that continue to fail to fix the problem?

  9. Ooooh! I like the cut of your jib.

    I’ve always admired yours as well, Squid.

    Btw, where is your Christmas octopus?

  10. Until that untimely boating accident, I had many weapons along with a conceal carry permit. In order to have the permit, I had to pass a rather rather stringent background check.

    Anyone care to bet that holding a CCW permit would automatically disqualify one to home school in Ohio, should this actually become law?

  11. i’m glad i wasn’t home schooled it’s just way too much togetherness

  12. >i’m glad i wasn’t home schooled it’s just way too much togetherness <

    that's what i think of gov't schools

  13. do they know it’s christmastime at all?

  14. >do they know it’s christmastime at all?<

    no the gov't schools banned christmas

  15. it’s winter festival!

    happy winter mr. newrouter!

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannd heaven and nature sing and heaven and nature sing

  16. >it’s winter festival!<

    the fed gov't calls it christmas

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  18. “Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe,” GLAAD spokesperson Wilson Cruz said

    It’s nice the fags are going to step up and teach us about Christianity, while A& E teaches us about the constitution and the 1st amendment by “placing Phil under hiatus from filming indefinitely.”

  19. Phil for christ’s sake it’s fucking christmastime try to keep a civil tongue in your goddamn mouth por favor

  20. Yeah Phil, it’s Christmas time! Embrace sin for baby Jesus, all the cool kids are doing it! Why, It’s practically the LAW now fer chissakes!

  21. >Phil for christ’s sake it’s fucking christmastime try to keep a civil tongue in your goddamn mouth por favor <

    what was "uncivil"? perhaps you mean "clinical"?

  22. make a lil birdhouse in your soul

  23. >make a lil birdhouse in your soul<

    tell that to the alinsky gayboys

  24. >try to keep a civil tongue in your goddamn mouth por favor <

    you got the proggtard view – you decide what speech is "acceptable".

  25. and he will come again to judge the living and the dead and his kingdom shall have no end so Phil just needs to settle the fuck dow

    for christ’s sake Phil we smackdab in the middle of christmastime an you wanna go to the GQ and babble about anuses?

    Is that how your mama raised you? Really? I find that highly unlikely, and I fail to understand how that could have been the highest and most important thing you felt you needed to communicate this christmas. Now you just go ahead and take a time out and think on this a spell Phil.

    Anuses at christmastime good grief

  26. does Phil know it’s christmastime at all

  27. Jeez happyfeet, lighten up. We’re supposed to celebrate the dick stuffed anus. There’s whole months dedicated to the accommodating anus. There’s school lessons for school children teaching about the accomplishments of those of the inviting anus. There’s even parades and a flag.

    Get with the times, wouldja!

  28. >Anuses at christmastime good grief<

    you be anti darwin/science/biology. you be algore. hi tipper!

  29. so deck those halls trim those trees raise up cups of Christmas cheer

    Phil just needs to catch his breath

    have christmas by hisself this year

  30. I bet A&E goes way out of their way to make sure “Christmas” is never mentioned on their little cable channel during this, the “holiday” season.

    What are ya, some kinda religious fanatic?

  31. >does Phil know it’s christmastime at all<

    that be "white oppression" said "learned" mslsd hosts

  32. Christians like Phil think homosexuality is a sin*. Seems simple enough. The gay mob needs to get over it move on to the people they are winning over. They seem to be doing well in that regard. I wanted everyone to love me too but, I got over that some time ago.

    *I don”t think it is but, I understand that guys like Phil see homosexuality as a temptation to something that a person is failing to resists no different than coveting thy neighbor’s wife.

  33. Yup, people like Phil need to be stuffed in a closet by themselves or something.

    Frigg’in queer.

  34. has alec baldwin said anything about phil r?

  35. winterfest oh winterfest ringing through the land bringing peace to all the world and goodwill to man except Phil who couldn’t keep a civil tongue in his goddamn mouth

    shame on you Phil you’re ruining winterfest

  36. We don’t know when the interview was conducted. GQ picked the publishing date.

    What time of the year is OK to talk about homosexual behavior. I don’t want to make a social faux pas

  37. “…shame on you Phil you’re ruining winterfest…”

    What is your main malfunction ? How is someone having an opinion contrary to your own ruining your (or anyone else’s) holidays ?

  38. sugarbear anytime you find yourself sitting down with a reporter from a nationally-distributed magazine and you start sharing your feelings about anus

    you’re doing it wrong

  39. Happyfeet, you aren’t fit to be a piece of scrap TP on Phils anus.

    You are nearly as useful though…

  40. >sugarbear anytime you find yourself sitting down with a reporter from a nationally-distributed magazine and you start sharing your feelings about anus <

    no his views. beliefs are what the superstitious proggtards have. algore likes your anus.

  41. “…you start sharing your feelings about anus…”

    You are the one with the apparent anus fixation given your comments above, I can only see where Robinson used the word once.

    You still haven’t answered my question, how is his opinion ruining your Christmas ?

  42. Phil is entitled to his opinions, just like the homos.

    Happy, stop cussing. It’s Christmastime.

  43. will Phil see the day of glory? see the day when men of goodwill live in peace

    live in peace again?

  44. > Phil who couldn’t keep a civil tongue in his goddamn mouth <

    that be microaggression i think

  45. > see the day when men of goodwill live in peace live in peace again<

    the police state is "good" at dat

  46. “…will Phil see the day of glory…”

    What exactly troubles you with Robinson and his beliefs ? Do you simply fear those who do not think (and in your case, from what I have read here and elsewhere, that appears only to be random electrical activity) as you do ?

  47. You still haven’t answered my question, how is his opinion ruining your Christmas

    i just wanted everyone to get along for ONE christmas

    is that such a big goddamn thing to ask?

  48. Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword

  49. I heart happyfins!

  50. Activists gays do seem to be focused on total submission to their beliefs. Too bad the name Islam is already taken.

  51. - Darwin is confused these days. “Keep your filthy hands off my faggot you dirty Ape!”

  52. “…i just wanted everyone to get along for ONE christmas…”

    That is a remarkable non-answer, fully fitting for a 6 year old.

    So – Robinson not hewing to your oddball beliefs is indicative of everyone not getting along, regardless of the random killing and mayhem in the world ? Are you really that shallow ?

  53. >i just wanted everyone to get along for ONE christmas

    is that such a big goddamn thing to ask?<

    i would not damn G-D if that is what you want dear pickichu

  54. a can of bean dip and some diet rites a box of tampons, some marlboro lights

    halellujah everybody say cheese!

    merry christmas from the family

  55. We’re supposed to celebrate the dick stuffed anus.

    Stuff that inside a turkey (a “turanucocken”) and John Madden would eat one on national tv. Which seem pretty darned celebratory, I think.

  56. and heaven and nature sing!

  57. Don we now our gay apparel

  58. >and heaven and nature sing!<

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

  59. I don’t think Phil Robertson gives a rip if he’s banned for life from A&E. More time for hunting and happy happy with Miss Kay.
    You know, normal male behaviors, not to be confused with having another man’s dick in your anus.

  60. Funniest of all…

    Now, before you click on the link, ask yourself what percentage of Americans self-identify as LGBT. Look around at how important a political power bloc they have become, and how society insists on not only acceptance, but ever more vocal approval of their every whim, for fear of being called a bad word. One-in-three? One-in-five?

    Well, Gallup did a poll of more than 120,000, the largest of its kind.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx

    Nothing like science…

  61. nr,
    Sultan’s been on a roll lately.

    All year he’s been good for at least one mind-bending essay a day. He even spares the time to MC his comments section.

    He’s a lot like Jeffy without the armadillo.

  62. “i just wanted everyone to get along for ONE christmas
    is that such a big goddamn thing to ask?”

    When one of the sides is a militant litigious bunch of bullying assholes aching for a dumb fight and raising money on it and lying extravagantly to exaggerate the event they claim offends them then YES it’s a huge and ridiculous goddamned thing to ask.

  63. and on the other side we have tired-ass threadworn trailer trash what reduce a once-great religion into a trashy cult of fag-hate

  64. While we’re on the topic, it appears that Target’s payment-card systems took a good rogering over the past couple of weeks…

  65. >and on the other side we have tired-ass threadworn trailer trash what reduce a once-great religion into a trashy cult of fag-hate <

    disapprove of the sin compassion for the sinner. "go ax islam he's 10' happyfeet tall"

    Go Ask Alice-White Rabbit – Jefferson Airplane

  66. to the nsa: we’ll be here for the duration. hi clowns!

  67. You know, Billy Jack wouldn’t just stand by and watch this vote in the Senate today that takes away from the benefits of disabled American veterans and gives to the illegal alien.

    He’d have to plant his foot in someone’s face.

  68. “and on the other side we have tired-ass threadworn trailer trash what reduce a once-great religion into a trashy cult of fag-hate ”

    No, on the other side we have some productive rich guys who have a hunting line and make lots of money who understand Christian doctrine and honestly reply about it when directly asked about it, and then that gets called “fag hate” by thin skinned, self important little idiots and bigoted Christian hating little liars.

  69. pikachu, it’s neither hate nor fear…

    It’s a quiet despair and concern for those who refuse to believe that God can’t exist. Hate the sin, love the sinner.

    If you were only smart enough to understand…

  70. “…and on the other side we have tired-ass threadworn trailer trash what reduce a once-great religion into a trashy cult of fag-hate…”

    So much for your BS about wanting everyone to get along. Why is it you can throw about names and hate at random, but Robinson cannot express an opinion without your theatrics ?

  71. Eingang Ausfahrt, he’s always that way when it comes to homosexuals and Sarah Palin.

    Right loses his shit, the boy does.

  72. Christian doctrine lol

  73. Christian doctrine 2013: dude pussy is like way more better fucking than anus

  74. A “tired -ass… Blah blah blah” who doesn’t give a rip what you, A&E,, GLAAD or other perversions have to say.
    Thank God for that.

  75. >and on the other side we have tired-ass threadworn trailer trash what reduce a once-great religion into a trashy cult of fag-hate <

    so you are gwb talkin' islam? they do fag drop dive big in tehran and mecca?

  76. >Christian doctrine 2013: dude pussy is like way more better fucking than anus <

    biology denier

  77. So yellow man, you are all UP with pussy=ass?
    A simple yes/no?

  78. if you ask me about my faith the first thing that comes to my mind isn’t pussy vs. anus

    this is because I’m not a trashy piece of shit who diminishes christianity to a shriveled hateful bigoted trashcreed

  79. Leigh,

    I have noticed that about Palin along with his general apparent misogyny (or at least inability to not call women with whom he disagrees sluts, whores, &c), but this bit seems rather much.

    Happyfeet,

    I may not be the scholar of religion you evidently think you are, but I believe you will find that has been Christian “doctrine” since around 33 AD. It is also in accord with the general principles of biology, but don’t let that get in the way.

  80. “Christian doctrine lol”

    As I said, bigoted Christian hating little liar.

  81. this is because I’m not a trashy piece of shit who diminishes christianity to a shriveled hateful bigoted trashcreed

    No, you’re the trashy piece of shit who diminishes christianity by pretending to know anything about it, then bashing that strawman to chaff.

    Imagine if I talked about pikachus like you talk about Christianity. People might get the idea that pikachus are nothing but shit-sucking scumbags what like to rape grandmas in the middle of Times Square.

  82. >shriveled hateful bigoted trashcreed<

    opinion to fag narrative yields h8trs.

  83. “…if you ask me about my faith the first thing that comes to my mind isn’t pussy vs. anus…”

    Neither was it for Robinson who was responding to an interview. Vacuous and disingenuous is no way to go through life, son.

  84. “if you ask me about my faith the first thing that comes to my mind isn’t pussy vs. anus”

    Which has fuck all to do with anything. At all. I guess no one wants to follow your little blue-meany nowhere man orders about what they should be allowed say.

  85. Trailer trash?

    If you mean sticking a trailer up in a tree and using it for a furnished duck blind, well, that would be a yes.

  86. “…People might get the idea that pikachus are nothing but shit-sucking scumbags what like to rape grandmas in the middle of Times Square…”

    They aren’t ?

  87. > to a shriveled hateful bigoted trashcreed<

    apartheid clowndisaster™

  88. Happyfeet is all fake clever and bitchy tonight because he loves x-mas so much I guess. Que lastima. Fart goes the brain.

  89. the trailer trash of the low church had themselves a STAR

    and bam quick as a bunny he self-destructed trying to wax philosophical about fucking anus

    at least they still have honey boo boo

  90. In fact you do reduce everything to 2questions:
    1) is this woman NOT a slut whore?
    2)isn’t being a Christian slut whore worse than anything else in the known world?’
    And btw you are trashy piece of shit who diminishes life.

  91. Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe…

    The Bible really isn’t the right place to go to find Gay Is OK sentiment. Either the Bible’s stance on homosexual activity is What God Said or it isn’t. If you prefer to bracket out the No Fornication (with either sex) section of the Bible, that’s your thang, but don’t wig out when someone else insists that you’re violating the part you choose to ignore.

    Me, I reckon that everyone has to make his peace with God, and if you’re same-sex attracted, you still have to figure out a righteous path—with God’s help, on account of everyone is entitled to revelation regarding his own life, and God happens to talk to gays who want to hear what He has to say.

    I don’t understand the need to get all tribal about who is going to hell and who isn’t. Fact is, we’re all headed that way for one reason or another. Lots of the same people who say all gays are by definition on a rocket sled to hell also say that Mormons are going to hell for believing in Teh Wrong Jesus.

    Whatever.

    God takes into account our weaknesses and will judge us according to what we knew to do, what we were able to do, and what we did.

  92. Also, Twitter has been hilarious about this and #PajamaBoy

  93. Just look at all that insipid trashy shit he writes. What a effing doofus.

  94. nicely said dicentra and merry christmas to you

  95. Give me the “trailer trash” and fuck all the stupid snarky foodie hipster hatey lecturing pickachus who love to sniff their own tired slut-hating shit in public. Who needs ‘em?

  96. Phil was asked what he finds sinful.

    It’s funny that the proggs attacked DADT, a law in the books for a generation, forced gays into the military, and force so called gay marriage on an unwilling populous, then pace happyfeet scream it is the right that is gay obsessed, and need to quit talking about it.

  97. ‘feets, could you keep a could you keep a civil tongue in some dude’s anus? It’s Christmas, ferchrissakes.

  98. “the trailer trash of the low church had themselves a STAR and bam quick as a bunny he self-destructed trying to wax philosophical about fucking anus at least they still have honey boo boo”

    OK, got it, you are simply an effete snob whose nose has been tweaked by Robinson’s comments which have evidently hit close to home (you should pardon the expression in this context).

  99. I’m not a trashy piece of shit who diminishes christianity

    Just curious, feets: What DO you do with Christianity? Do you call upon the name of the Lord on a regular basis? Study scripture? Ask God for help in cultivating a particular virtue? Spend time self-examining and then repenting of your sins?

    Because if you haven’t actually tried to live up to Christ’s example, you have no business throwing it back in the face of the putative believers.

    Furthermore, you try spending all that time on a hard pew listening to sermons and see how tolerant YOU are the rest of the week.

  100. dicentra says December 18, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    Again, dicentra comments so I don’t have to.

  101. If it upsets pickachus then it’s probably a good thing is what I’m thinking because pikachus are just antisocial little sing sing twerps trying to push people’s buttons.

  102. Pablo says December 18, 2013 at 9:10 pm

    Now that was just plain funny.

  103. Here’s the quotation: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers – they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.”

    How many of those boxes can you tick off, feets?

    How many stones you gonna cast?

  104. “If a bill introduced by four Democrats in the Ohio Senate last week becomes law, it would be the most radical homeschooling law in the country, stripping parents of their constitutionally guaranteed right to direct the education of their children and requiring interrogations by social workers before homeschooling is permitted. ”

    I hear that Cranky has a cudgel for that. But will it go with my Squid-Co pitchfork?

  105. If you’re gay and you turn to God for guidance, he just might tell you to remain celibate for the rest of your life.

    Nicely, but he just might.

  106. A la carte Christianity AIN’T.

  107. “Listen again,” said Linus. “Go outside. Look up at the stars and listen.”

    Charlie Brown took up his little tree and walked out.

    He listened as hardest as he could. He did not hear about the pussy. He did not hear about the anus.

    “For behold I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to ALL people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord!”

    That is what Charlie Brown heard.

    Me I stand with Charlie.

  108. Toss the rest of the bible. I got the little bit I want. Luke 2:10-11. Everything else must go.

  109. “Me I stand with Charlie.”

    No, you don’t stand for anything except sniggering over the words “pussy” and “anus” rather like an infant saying “poopy” and “boogers” to annoy the adults.

  110. Because Charles Schulz said so in a cartoon.

    So screw you Phil! Arp arp arp goes the dumbest seal on the beach.

  111. Once you have encountered the homoBorg, resistance is futile. You will be anussimilated. So just forget that whole vagina thing.

  112. >He listened as hardest as he could. He did not hear about the pussy. He did not hear about the anus. <

    he did trash " the white heterosexual male" society he was apart of. he be apartheid.

  113. What’s the big deal about being white trash anyway? And who are you to go call anyone trash, happy? White trash are just poor folks with limited means and stunted educational opportunities who live for the moment.

    Sort of like your mother.

  114. “What’s the big deal about being white trash anyway? ”

    Also to the point is that Robinson is a millionaire with a Master’s degree, so an addle pate like Happyfeet calling him “white trash” is about 180 degrees from fact.

  115. He has a beard and lives in Louisiana and takes the Bible seriously.

    Ergo, white trash.

  116. Heh. Doesn’t take much to get teh gheys riled up. You’d think, after all the time they spend riding other men’s shitholes, that they’d be immune to a little verbal stink! )

  117. From newrouters other link

    Unlike other amendments, the territory that the First Amendment deals with is intellectual and spiritual, the world of ideas, the realm of faith and the defining right of political advocacy. The freedoms of the mind, heart and voice are the most essential of freedoms because they free us to be individuals. They allow us to have our own values. Without these freedoms, no society is free. [...]

    A wedding photographer in New Mexico was ordered by a court to participate in a gay ceremony violating both her First Amendment rights to Freedom of Religion as a Christian and her right to Freedom of Speech as an artist. A baker in Colorado was ordered to make a gay wedding cake or face penalties ranging from fines to a year in prison. The ACLU is after even bigger game suing Catholic hospitals for not engaging in abortion contending that patients are being deprived of their rights.

    The fundamental issue in all these cases is whether our rights are defined by the ability to be left alone or by the opposing ability to compel others to do what we want them to [...]

    The United States is following the European course of rendering the distinction between the state and the church irrelevant by making the state into the church and mandating that everyone worship it. As in 19th century Europe, deliberate clashes are being stirred up between the values of the state and religious values for the purpose of demonstrating that the values of the state are supreme. [...]

    Cases like these show that the issue is not rights, but control. If the only way to obtain what you call your rights is by compelling someone else to give up theirs then what you are really demanding is not a right, but a means of imposing your values and your convictions on someone else. And that is not a matter of civil rights. It is an ideological and religious war with government siding with whoever has the most money to invest in strategic campaign contributions for the culture war. [...]

    Every group is sooner or later faced with choosing whether it wants to win a final conclusive victory over its enemies or whether it wants to be free. The tyrannical choice is tempting, but it unleashes a cycle of conflict and repression that can only end with extermination. And once that choice is made, the formerly oppressed forfeit all their moral authority as they abandon freedom for tyranny.

  118. Well, screwed the HTML pooch that time, didn’t I? Sorry about that…

  119. “…lives in Louisiana…”

    Good point, I forget all of us not on the west coast or the northeast are a bunch of inbred rubes. Also I wouldn’t have misspelled “Robertson” as “Robinson”. I did have a minion once named Robinson who would have fit in with the Robertsons, so I think that is still my default.

  120. A&E’s getting worn (like a Kevin Jennings fanboi) out on the Twitter. #DuckDynasty

  121. There can be no faith, no ideas and no individuality without the First Amendment. Without the right to be left alone in your beliefs, your values and your convictions, there can be no other rights and the very notion of rights, no matter how often it is used to describe everything from free health care to gay marriage, cannot exist.

    And it is into this sacred territory that the judicial activists of gay marriage have dared to intrude.

    Rights can either be defined by the virtue of the individual in his liberty or the virtue of the government in its authoritarianism. But it cannot be defined by both. Either you have the right to be free or you have the right to the property and the service of another human being. The choice is the fundamental one between freedom and slavery.

  122. SquidCo and I have a cross-promotional agreement, since our products are complimentary. The pitchforks can get your point across in a larger manner, while my CrankyCudgel™ allows you to make your point in a more personal manner.

    Given the current state of the nation, I cannot keep them in stock.

  123. Ideology is a specious way of relating to the world. It offers human beings the illusion of an identity, of dignity, and of morality while making it easier for them to part with them. As the repository of something suprapersonal and objective, it enables people to deceive their conscience and conceal their true position and their inglorious modus vivendi, both from the world and from themselves. It is a very pragmatic but, at the same time, an apparently dignified way of legitimizing what is above, below, and on either side. It is directed toward people and toward God. It is a veil behind which human beings can hide their own fallen existence, their trivialization, and their adaptation to the status quo. It is an excuse that everyone can use, from the greengrocer, who conceals his fear of losing his job behind an alleged interest in the unification of the workers of the world, to the highest functionary, whose interest in staying in power can be cloaked in phrases about service to the working class. The primary excusatory function of ideology, therefore, is to provide people, both as victims and pillars of the post-totalitarian system, with the illusion that the system is in harmony with the human order and the order of the universe. . . .

    {9}The post-totalitarian system touches people at every step, but it does so with its ideological gloves on. This is why life in the system is so thoroughly permeated with hypocrisy and lies: government by bureaucracy is called popular government; the working class is enslaved in the name of the working class; the complete degradation of the individual is presented as his ultimate liberation; depriving people of information is called making it available; the use of power to manipulate is called the public control of power, and the arbitrary abuse of power is called observing the legal code; the repression of culture is called its development; the expansion of imperial influence is presented as support for the oppressed; the lack of free expression becomes the highest form of freedom; farcical elections become the highest form of democracy; banning independent thought becomes the most scientific of world views; military occupation becomes fraternal assistance. Because the regime is captive to its own lies, it must falsify everything. It falsifies the past. It falsifies the present, and it falsifies the future. It falsifies statistics. It pretends not to possess an omnipotent and unprincipled police apparatus. It pretends to respect human rights. It pretends to persecute no one. It pretends to fear nothing. It pretends to pretend nothing.

    {10}Individuals need not believe all these mystifications, but they must behave as though they did, or they must at least tolerate them in silence, or get along well with those who work with them. For this reason, however, they must live within a lie. They need not accept the lie. It is enough for them to have accepted their life with it and in it. For by this very fact, individuals confirm the system, fulfill the system, make the system, are the system.

    . . . .

    {11}Why in fact did our greengrocer have to put his loyalty on display in the shop window? Had he not already displayed it sufficiently in various internal or semipublic ways? At trade union meetings, after all, he had always voted as he should. He had always taken part in various competitions. He voted in elections like a good citizen. He had even signed the “antiCharter.” Why, on top of all that, should he have to declare his loyalty publicly? After all, the people who walk past his window will certainly not stop to read that, in the greengrocer’s opinion, the workers of the world ought to unite. The fact of the matter is, they don’t read the slogan at all, and it can be fairly assumed they don’t even see it. If you were to ask a woman who had stopped in front of his shop what she saw in the window, she could certainly tell whether or not they had tomatoes today, but it is highly unlikely that she noticed the slogan at all, let alone what it said.

    {12}It seems senseless to require the greengrocer to declare his loyalty publicly. But it makes sense nevertheless. People ignore his slogan, but they do so because such slogans are also found in other shop windows, on lampposts, bulletin boards, in apartment windows, and on buildings; they are everywhere, in fact. They form part of the panorama of everyday life. Of course, while they ignore the details, people are very aware of that panorama as a whole. And what else is the greengrocer’s slogan but a small component in that huge backdrop to daily life?

    {13}The greengrocer had to put the slogan in his window, therefore, not in the hope that someone might read it or be persuaded by it, but to contribute, along with thousands of other slogans, to the panorama that everyone is very much aware of. This panorama, of course, has a subliminal meaning as well: it reminds people where they are living and what is expected of them. It tells them what everyone else is doing, and indicates to them what they must do as well, if they don’t want to be excluded, to fall into isolation, alienate themselves from society, break the rules of the game, and risk the loss of their peace and tranquility and security. . . .

    {14}Let us now imagine that one day something in our greengrocer snaps and he stops putting up the slogans merely to ingratiate himself. He stops voting in elections he knows are a farce. He begins to say what he really thinks at political meetings. And he even finds the strength in himself to express solidarity with those whom his conscience commands him to support. In this revolt the greengrocer steps out of living within the lie. He rejects the ritual and breaks the rules of the game. He discovers once more his suppressed identity and dignity. He gives his freedom a concrete significance. His revolt is an attempt to live within the truth. . . .

    {15}The bill is not long in coming. He will be relieved of his post as manager of the shop and transferred to the warehouse. His pay will be reduced. His hopes for a holiday in Bulgaria will evaporate. His children’s access to higher education will be threatened. His superiors will harass him and his fellow workers will wonder about him. Most of those who apply these sanctions, however, will not do so from any authentic inner conviction but simply under pressure from conditions, the same conditions that once pressured the greengrocer to display the official slogans. They will persecute the greengrocer either because it is expected of them, or to demonstrate their loyalty, or simply as part of the general panorama, to which belongs an awareness that this is how situations of this sort are dealt with, that this, in fact, is how things are always done, particularly if one is not to become suspect oneself. The executors, therefore, behave essentially like everyone else, to a greater or lesser degree: as components of the post-totalitarian system, as agents of its automatism, as petty instruments of the social auto-totality.

    {16}Thus the power structure, through the agency of those who carry out the sanctions, those anonymous components of the system, will spew the greengrocer from its mouth. The system, through its alienating presence in people, will punish him for his rebellion. It must do so because the logic of its automatism and self-defense dictate it. The greengrocer has not committed a simple, individual offense, isolated in its own uniqueness, but something incomparably more serious. By breaking the rules of the game, he has disrupted the game as such. He has exposed it as a mere game. He has shattered the world of appearances, the fundamental pillar of the system. He has upset the power structure by tearing apart what holds it together. He has demonstrated that living a lie is living a lie. He has broken through the exalted facade of the system and exposed the real, base foundations of power. He has said that the emperor is naked. And because the emperor is in fact naked, something extremely dangerous has happened: by his action, the greengrocer has addressed the world. He has enabled everyone to peer behind the curtain. He has shown everyone that it is possible to live within the truth. Living within the lie can constitute the system only if it is universal. The principle must embrace and permeate everything. There are no terms whatsoever on which it can co-exist with living within the truth, and therefore everyone who steps out of line denies it in principle and threatens it in its entirety. . .

  124. hi nsa!

  125. If you like your anus you can keep your anus. Period. No one is going to take your anus away from you.

  126. Oh, my. Someone noticed.

    University of Texas sociology professor Mark Regnerus’s study, “How Different Are the Adult Children of Parents Who Have Same-Sex Relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study,” published in the academic journal Social Science Research last year, caused a firestorm in the scientific community. Unlike most previous studies, Regnerus found that children of parents who had experienced a same-sex relationship fared worse than children of heterosexual parents on measures of social, emotional, and psychological adjustment as well as educational attainment, employment history, need for public assistance, substance abuse, and criminal justice system involvement.
    ..
    Such homogeneity of sociopolitical views among social scientists almost invariably leads to “groupthink,” a phenomenon that occurs when group members have relatively homogeneous backgrounds or ideological views. With this groupthink comes self-censorship and pressure on dissenters, the negative stereotyping and discounting of conservative perspectives, and a failure to consider conservative-friendly (as compared with liberal-friendly) question framing and data interpretation. A recent national survey of psychology professors found that one in four reported that they would be less likely to give a positive recommendation on a journal manuscript or grant application having a conservative perspective, and one in six would be less likely to invite conservative colleagues to participate in a symposium.
    ..
    No wonder there is so little research by academics that arguably supports conservative policy perspectives. When such research is published, the Regnerus controversy illustrates how it may be received. Critics used the liberal norms and privileges of their discipline to marginalize the Regnerus study.

  127. >{14}Let us now imagine that one day something in our greengrocer snaps and he stops putting up the slogans merely to ingratiate himself. He stops voting in elections he knows are a farce. He begins to say what he really thinks at political meetings. And he even finds the strength in himself to express solidarity with those whom his conscience commands him to support. In this revolt the greengrocer steps out of living within the lie. He rejects the ritual and breaks the rules of the game. He discovers once more his suppressed identity and dignity. He gives his freedom a concrete significance. His revolt is an attempt to live within the truth. . . .<

  128. If you like my anus you can keep my anus. Period. No one is going to take my anus away from you.

    Fixed, so there’ll be no anusmosity from Perez Hilton and GLADD.

  129. “…No one is going to take your anus away from you…”

    Don’t be too sure about that. There are some people either who lost the genetic lottery or by reason of disease have no anus, or have sub-standard “junk” ani.

    In the interest of Anal Justice it is only fair that ani be redistributed. If not specifically covered by Obamacare, so-called “Cadillac” ani will be taxed.

  130. Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

    As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

  131. happyfeet says December 18, 2013 at 8:56 pm if you ask me about my faith the first thing that comes to my mind isn’t pussy vs. anus this is because I’m not a trashy piece of shit who diminishes christianity to a shriveled hateful bigoted trashcreed

    No, you’re just a trashy piece of shit who spews hate and pretends it is enlightenment.

    Christians, women, whatever makes you seethe with all your thuggish bile.

  132. If you like your anus you can keep your anus. Period. No one is going to take your anus away from you.

    - Well thats just great. Now you have to stand with your back against the wall if Bumblefuck is around.

  133. >On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
    (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
    Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”<

  134. If you like your anus you can keep your anus. Period. No one is going to take your anus away from you.

    Just make sure that you never take your anus on the road for a long trip, could be expensive.

  135. From geoffb’s link…

    “Most of the networks on the exchanges are not national. Off the exchange, there a few that provide national coverage,” he said.

    One of the GOP’s healthcare proposals was to allow insurance companies to expand across state lines. Recall when banks were required to have in-state ownership, with no large bank holding companies? Ronald Reagan fixed that (to the chagrin of many), allowing interstate banking. But, still, BlueCross/BlueShield of Ohio must answer to Ohio, and BC/BS of Florida can’t pay their claims or use their contracts with healthcare providers or interstate medical device suppliers. They must negotiate their own contracts.

    But all that will be solved when Feyd-Rautha takes over, replacing Beast Rabban as the Fremen’s ‘savior’.

  136. “No one is going to take your anus away from you”

    Shit. Every time I’m in Vegas I lose my ass at the tables.

  137. Sounds like every promise that you can keep what you like is a FILTHY LIE.

    Also, my Twitter account has been suspended. Are they still enforcing tweet limits or did I cheese off the wrong person?

  138. OT (though not nearly as OT as making this YET ANOTHER THREAD ABOUT GAYS. Do you people care about ANYTHING but who is rubbing what parts against whom? I think y’all need to get laid. Seriously. And I say that as someone who hasn’t had sex in several years):

    UCLA economists claim to have evidence that FDR’s policies prolonged the Depression by seven years: http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/FDR-s-Policies-Prolonged-Depression-5409.aspx

    I wonder by how much Dear Leader will beat his record.

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  140. Feets, although I doubt it, I hope you realize that I do not make this pronouncement lightly, and I pray–really, truly, in the “asking God to grant this” sense pray–that you consider this carefully:

    You are a fool.

    I have nothing more to say.

  141. Make no mistake. The statists and their foot soldiers in the teachers’ unions will not stop until they have control of our children from the moment of birth on.

    Boy are you an opitimist!

    Me? I figure they’ll be “taxing” your sperm/eggs for the yearly hatchery quota in a generaton or two.

  142. Toss the rest of the bible

    Who needs the Bible, when the stars are out? You don’t even need to be able to read!

    This is fucking genius. Christianity has been spreading itself all these long years.

    Why anyone bothered to try and put together a source document for it is beyond me.

    Maybe this is one of those God’s will things that I’m just never gonna understand.

    Or maybe, just maybe, happyfeet’s Charlie Brown reference is unthinking, juvenile idiocy.

    I know which one I’m going with.

  143. UCLA economists claim to have evidence that FDR’s policies prolonged the Depression by seven years

    FDR’s America emerged from the Great Depression in spite of FDR, not because…

    During the US Great Depression the huge declines in consumer and businesses confidence in the face of mass unemployment can be seen in the extremely and persistently low level of velocity…. As it turned out, the US economy managed to grow at an average of 13.5% a year over the next 10 years and was back on ‘target’ by 1944…. Velocity also moved during the recovery from the Great Depression as the US war machine swung into action in the early 1940s.

    So, Syria and/or Iraq ?

  144. Are they still enforcing tweet limits or did I cheese off the wrong person?

    Surely, you’re run afoul of the tolerance crowd. You’re not in Twitmo, you’re gulaged.

  145. Tumbrels
    Guillotines
    Mobs of outraged, offal-throwing peasants
    Heads on pikes
    This bunch of idiots
    Some ass’y required….
    Yes, I am deadly serious. This nonsense need to be stopped.

  146. Do you people care about ANYTHING but who is rubbing what parts against whom?

    All that’s well and good, but the flaunting of said rubbing is continually rubbed in our collective faces. There’s just so much people can take of it without needing to unleash some punch back.

    Seems Gays are again blowing a thing well out of proportion; omitting much of what Phil Robertson actually said and concentrating on a few selected sentences. For the OUTRAGE!.

  147. Are they still enforcing tweet limits or did I cheese off the wrong person?

    Surely, you’re run afoul of the tolerance crowd. You’re not in Twitmo, you’re gulaged.

    Di, one thing I’ve noticed about your tweets: you always start off with an “@”. NEVER do this!

    Keep your targets downrange. If you reply to someone, shift their @name. You just invite spam/blocking by leading off with a @Name.

  148. <blockquote.Seems Gays are again blowing a thing well out of proportion; omitting much of what Phil Robertson actually said and concentrating on a few selected sentences. For the OUTRAGE!.

    But that’s what professional grievance mongers DO.

  149. GLAAD rep Wilson Cruz has responded to Robertson’s remarks with a statement:

    “Phil and his family claim to be Christian, but Phil’s lies about an entire community fly in the face of what true Christians believe. He clearly knows nothing about gay people or the majority of Louisianans — and Americans — who support legal recognition for loving and committed gay and lesbian couples.

    So, the Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation is now the arbiter of what true Christians believe.

  150. Hey, why not? After all, haven’t we spent years trying to arbitrate what true Muslims believe?

  151. It’s sort of like Rush Limbaugh interpreting the Pope’s encyclical.

    Wrong, in other words.

  152. Also interesting is their view of what “the majority of Louisianans believe” In the last poll that mattered, 78% of voters believed that:

    Marriage in the state of Louisiana shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman. No official or court of the state of Louisiana shall construe this constitution or any state law to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any member of a union other than the union of one man and one woman. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized. No official or court of the state of Louisiana shall recognize any marriage contracted in any other jurisdiction which is not the union of one man and one woman.

    Is 78% still a majority, or have we changed that?

  153. Hard not to be wrong about something so vague that it’s impossible to be right about, isn’t it?

    I’m speaking to the economic portion of EG.

  154. That’s okay Pablo. The Powers That Be have been telling the majority of jihidis that they’re doing it wrong since 9/12/2001, and they don’t seem to pay attention either.

  155. Is 78% still a majority, or have we changed that?

    78% < 3.4%

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/158066/special-report-adults-identify-lgbt.aspx

    Welcome to the world of Progressive math, where deficits are made up for by spending even more, Senators say things like "As we look back in history, the Founding Fathers would be cringing to hear people talking about eliminating earmarks" and the senior Democrat in the House happily asserts that "Just because they are here illegally is no reason to deport them".

  156. “All that’s well and good, but the flaunting of said rubbing is continually rubbed in our collective faces.”

    That’s still not a reason for this site to become “all homosexuality, all the time”, IMO.

    Not my call, though. Carry on.

  157. I will start calling gays “heterophobes” and “H8Rs”, because it has worked so well for them.

    Because TOLERANCE!

  158. Sure, that 78% is a majority in a poll, but that 3.4% is the majority of cool (popular, hip, in, it) people on telvision, which makes it mainstream.

    And the 78% the uncool unpopular unhip people.

    I bet you think Jesus walked with dinosaurs.

  159. Only the one he had as a pet, just like Fred Flintstone…

    Meanwhile the Venn diagram of “Sin/not a sin” changes not a whit…

  160. The only important and preservable part of Christianity is a few seconds of a Charlie Brown Christmas and poor stupid angry white trash just don’t know that, in their giant asshole mansion on the TV.

  161. moral absolutist

  162. It is strange to see that Althouse, and some of her commenters, immediately came closer to grasping the meaning of what Robertson said than some here. It being about whose parts are rubbing whose parts is a framing and deliberate mis-interpetation that the left put on it for their own interests.

    There is a war that has been going on between two factions of humanity for thousands of years. It is between freedom and slavery but has also been fought out around secondary issues which stand in as proxies for the true war. Guises which cloak the real war.

    What Robertson spoke to is one of these proxy wars. One which has been going on for two thousand years. The progressive left has chosen the side they always come down on. They try to frame it as if they were fighting for the other though since selling slavery for most of mankind is a marketing nightmare.

  163. The only important and preservable part of Christianity is a few seconds of a Charlie Brown Christmas

    That’s because the Golden Rule we now live by is Ibsen’s

    As was taught us in the First Gospel according to Shaw.

  164. It may be worth tryin’ to look at the practical upside: when the tv production crews leave it means there’ll be more tasty mudbugs for the chillens to eat. Christianity, on the other hand, isn’t going anywhere anytime soon. The downside, though, looks something like the gradual disappearance of the liberal society.

  165. The angry gay victim mob movement has turned into Bill Mumy, sending people to the corn field with a word, or transforming them into ‘jack in the boxes’ with a thought, and terrorizing everybody for their own good. A

    The poor suckers trapped in the farmhouse all have to say ” It’s good that Anthony did that” any time they see something awful happen. It’s a good life in the twilight zone if you can say anything with a horrified smile on your face and keep your head down. And if you don’t like it, there’s plenty of room for your type in the corn field.

  166. it’s not a bad lil tree really it just needs love

  167. you all have been busy

  168. And if you don’t love it there’ll be hell to pay…and lawyers. Love the tree or pain for thee.

  169. All shall love and praise the tree of woe or be hung upon it with iron nails through the hands. We call them mercy fasteners. And it is NOTHING at all like crucifixion which is hatey. It’s more like arborfixion. it’s natural.

  170. This is all fairly silly.

    I always remind myself that activists will always jump at the chance to latch onto something or someone popular in order to advance their cause.

    Activists don’t care what just any talk show host says, they care what Rush Limbaugh says. They don’t care about the story in a straight to video film, they care what is in a Hollywood Blockbuster.

    It could be that they are concerned with the large share of influence the target has but, IMHO it is a piece of the attention they want.

  171. “Meanwhile the Venn diagram of “Sin/not a sin” changes not a whit”

    Neither does judge not, that ye be not judged, but no one pays any attention to that.

    A guy sticking his dick up another guy’s ass doesn’t harm me in the slightest. As Mr. Jefferson said in another context, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

    It’s on their own conscience, not mine. I’ve got my own soul flaws and personal shortcomings to worry about.

    Meanwhile the country continues its slide into fascism, but let’s be sure to waste plenty of time obsessing about other people’s penises.

  172. Neither does judge not, that ye be not judged, but no one pays any attention to that.

    Who’s judging? My conscience is clear. If you have problems living up to your own moral code, that is between you and the Deity or lack thereof in your own particular pantheon.

    But if I, too, am asked, “What do Christians consider to be a ‘sin’?”, I would probably have much the same answer. Whether or not I might agree with the list is irrelevant, since I am not the One setting the definitions.

    Nor are you.

    That list exists, nevertheless, and all of the whinging and wailing and finger-pointing by those who would rather the list not exist does not change that fact. Not a whit. Deal with it. If you dare.

  173. Kudos to geoffb, by the way, for figuring out a way to reference Peter Brown’s review of Harper’s From Shame to Sin.

    I’ve been trying to figure out how to work that in myself since sometime last week!

  174. ‘Luke 2:10-11′ and ‘love the tree’ shall be the whole of the law. Violators will be abrasively disintegrated slowly in public by a mob of angry posers wielding sporks. This is a necessary medical procedure known as a haterectomy.

  175. WW1 veteran and ace pilot beagle Snoopy will perform the dance of joy afterwards at a brief reception open to the public, and will be available to sign autographs. (Except for that whore Peppermint Patty, who knows what she did.)

  176. 1.) The price of arugula is going up at the local whole foods.
    2.) Yes we can.
    3.) Eat your peas.
    4.) Joe Tells us all about home defense with a shotgun
    5.) If you like your children, you didn’t build that.
    6.) ???? (401K and IRA reform?)
    7.) ???? (Presidential targeted debt forgiveness by fiat?)
    6.) Utopia

  177. “My conscience is clear.”

    Romans 3:23.

  178. What is sin? That’s easy. Sin is when you offend or otherwise transgress against someone who is not a Republican.

  179. With regard to the current flap: A&E is a business. They’ve apparently decided that Redneck Duck Dude is a liability rather than an asset. Their choice. The ratings will tell whether it was the right decision or not.

    I don’t watch the show — I don’t even have cable, so this doesn’t affect me in the slightest, certainly not to the point of spending hours discussing it.

    Now, if the government tried to shut up Redneck Duck Dude, that would be a different story, but they aren’t.

  180. Romans 3:23.

    Matthew 27:5
    Luke 10:37b

    Gosh, this is fun!

  181. Phil Robertson has a master’s in Education from Louisiana Tech, and worked as a teacher for years.

    Why do you hate teachers?

  182. And in another place far from the DC-PC maddening crowd.

    Anarchy in Africa: U.S., U.K. Evacuate as South Sudan Spirals Out of Control

  183. you always start off with an “@”. NEVER do this!

    What black magic is this?

    Srsly, what happens when the first character is @? Do I make sure the mentions are at the end?

  184. if the government tried to shut up Redneck Duck Dude, that would be a different story,

    Yes it would. It would be all Constitutional Rightsy and stuff.

    This story is about whom A&E fears most, and the answer is “whomever fights dirtiest.” No doubt the execs are actually IN the crowd who despise Christians, but even if they weren’t they’d reckon that the bullying and lawsuits and vicious attacks on them from the bullies is worse than losing the DD audience.

    So that’s their calculus: who’s going to hurt us worse, and what will get us invited back to the Right Parties.

  185. He’s gonna get caught, just you wait and see, slewfin.

  186. WHICH MEANS that this is about the culture wars and how they’re fought. I argued with a dude who asserted that destroying people for a word is just how it’s always been.

    I told him that I could remember the 1960s where there was lots of yelling and righteous indignation on Donohue and the sitcoms, but He Must Be Destroyed was not a thing.

    So he accused me of getting all warm and fuzzy about the Jim Crow era.

    Could set your watch by it.

  187. 1. Palin’s on the scene talking about the freedom to voice your “personal opinions” about anus and pussy…unless you’re Martin Bashir, then your scatological “personal opinions” don’t mean jack and you get fired anyway. So only if it’s one of hers, and by that she means rural christian whites. You betcha.

    2. What’s with the arugula thing, you can buy the shit at Walmart/Target. It’s a green that people eat, it’s not some rarefied diamond grass. Do people really dig iceberg that much? I know I’m a godless coastal elite, but why do flyoverfolks valorize shitty eating habits?

  188. Why do godless coastal elites valorize shitty sexual habits?

  189. Oh look. Ace gets it:

    Yes, A&E has the right to suspend Phil Robinson. A&E also has the right to stand up for a broad and generous principle of Freedom of Thought and Expression.

    Why does no one speak of that right? Sure, they have the right to act hostilely towards the spirit of the First Amendment and use coercive power to hammer people into only speaking the Officially Approved Institutional Corporate Slogans.

    They also have the right to stick up for people’s right to dissent, to be “weird,” to have unpopular thoughts and heterodox beliefs. And as a media company, they really ought to have an interest in doing so.

    Why does no one ever mention this? Why does no one ever push companies to recognize that right, rather than the other one?

    …those on the right, and Friends of Freedom generally, should take pains to point out the sport of scalp-hunting is in fact vile, practiced with vigor by broken people with voids in their souls that can only be filled by inflicting pain on other people.

    And we should always point out: We are willing to abandon this head-fucked system of Mutually Assured Terror for Daring to Speak One’s Mind the moment the Left is willing to do so.

    Which, frankly, will be never.

    They secondary boycott, therefore they exist. They have achieved nothing in their own lives, but if they can bring down a Mighty Foe, then they’re important.

    But we must always offer that Treaty. At every opportunity. Because this War on Individuality hurts everyone who considers himself an individual.

    It is time to tell these people, with no politeness whatsoever, to Shut the Fuck Up and stop making life awful for everyone else.

  190. “Meanwhile the country continues its slide into fascism, but let’s be sure to waste plenty of time obsessing about other people’s penises.”

    Other than perhaps Happyfeet, no one is obsessing over penises. The issue is that a tiny minority of vocal clods will, like Happyfeet, endlessly disparage people not like them (see Dalek above) while at the same time be incensed over any real or imagined (deliberately or not) slight. As such, they seek to control thought, which gets us back to your comment about the slide into fascism.

  191. Jeff, it’s not shitty if you prep first.

  192. unless you’re Martin Bashir, then your scatological “personal opinions” don’t mean jack and you get fired anyway. So only if it’s one of hers,

    Did Palin herself call for Bashir’s head? I don’t remember that. Saying “OMG that’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever heard” does not count as calling for one’s head.

    What’s with the arugula thing, you can buy the shit at Walmart/Target. It’s a green that people eat, it’s not some rarefied diamond grass.

    Look up “shibboleth” and “hipster.” That’s what it is with the arugula thing: it’s a way to signal yourself as Sophisticated Unlike Those People.

    but why do flyoverfolks valorize shitty eating habits?

    If you can get “that shit” at WalMart, then apparently they don’t. What they don’t valorize is status symbols and godless coastal elites putting on airs and acting uppity.

    On account of there’s absolutely no call for it. Y’all don’t know what you don’t know and you cling to self-flattering stereotypes about “flyovers” and it’s pretty damned obnoxious. You’re asking to be taken down a few dozen pegs if you don’t knock it off.

  193. For example, if the sight of PajamaBoy doesn’t make you want to smack the smug little smirk off his face, you just might be a godless coastal elite.

  194. It just tastes better and its better for you, but I really appreciate the “y’all” it makes you seem extra folksy and relatable.

  195. Martin Bashir was a direct employee of the company, tasked with expressing the news and the opinions of the network. And he wasn’t officially “fired” – he was allowed to resign. And he was saying that something should be done to Palin that she would feel that violates her.

    DD guy was saying he thinks a particular action is a sin, and holds no interest for him; he gets indefinitely kicked off his “own” show, which the network was airing because people were interested in what these folks had to say (either to agree with it or laugh at it).

    The fact that you try to equate these two shows shows what a tool you are.

  196. Dicentra, pajama boy is just pajama boy and no I don’t want to hit him, because despite his poor choice of night clothes he’s probably been to college and doesn’t have a job pulling sludge out of the ground. And he’s actually quite the majority male outside of the provinces. Your retrograde notions concerning American masculinity are being challenged bothers you, and so you lash out. It’s like high school and you’re picking on the nerd because he doesn’t have to stay in Chicksaw county and wait for the plant to close.

  197. And he’s actually quite the majority male outside of the provinces.

    He’s not the sucker who defends his nation by putting his life on the line going to war at the command of a man most similar to himself — the ClownDisaster, who stands high and mightily alone above the vulgar sucker crowd munching his precious salad. Just don’t let the suckers catch on, is all, lest there be no defense possible.

  198. And he’s actually quite the majority male outside of the provinces inside my head.

    FTFY.

  199. I’m guessing Khunt got beat up a lot, both as a kid, and now as a presumably mature being. (I don’t use the word “adult”, since that requires a mental and emotional process Khunt has clearly decided was optional.)

  200. You see that Di? Dale just proved why you’re wrong about coastal elites.

    They’re not uppity. They’re condescending.

  201. Oh look: PajamaBoy has a name: Ethan Krupp.

    Get this: he’s a “Social/Content Writer for Organizing for America.”

    I know! My jaw hit the ground, too!

  202. “…because despite his poor choice of night clothes he’s probably been to college and doesn’t have a job…”

    If you had quit there, you would have been right for a change.

  203. It just tastes better and its better for you

    It’s more bitter than iceberg, and some people find that pleasing. Others don’t.

    Way to assign absolute values to your personal tastes.

    he’s probably been to college and doesn’t have a job pulling sludge out of the ground

    I went to an Ivy and am working in IT.

    Your retrograde notions concerning American masculinity are being challenged bothers you, and so you lash out. It’s like high school and you’re picking on the nerd

    In high school I dated the nerds and I still prefer them to jocks. Strike two.

    But thanks for sussing out my motives projecting your self-flattering stereotypes onto me.

  204. he doesn’t have to stay in Chicksaw county and wait for the plant to close.

    OMG, I am astounded by how much you care about The Working Poor! And those who prefer iceberg lettuce to arugula and shop at WalMart and didn’t go to college and do manual labor.

    Next time you proclaim that as a lefty, you Care About the Average Working Joe, I hope you’ll reflect on the utter contempt you actually feel for them.

  205. those who prefer iceberg lettuce

    Like, say, Mexicans, the vaunted cohort that’s going to save Democrat electoral prospects?

  206. And those who prefer iceberg lettuce to arugula

    Romaine FTW!!!

  207. Which brings another question to mind…

    Why do the godless coastal elites hate cole slaw?

  208. “…Why do the godless coastal elites hate cole slaw?…”

    Mayonnaise represents white privilege & hegemony.

  209. Bet he likes kale, too. We buy kale, grind it up with any veggies that start to go bad, and feed it to our dogs. Lady at the store asked me what kale tastes like – told her I didn’t know; I was buying for my dogs. She gave me a funny look….

    My wife says lots of people like kale. NTTAWWT……

  210. “This story is about whom A&E fears most, and the answer is “whomever fights dirtiest.””

    Or maybe they just figure that more pro-gay folks than anti-gay are in their core audience.

    Wasn’t A&E the channel that had all the gay-oriented shows on it, or was that Bravo? I haven’t had cable in well over a decade, so memory is hazy here.

    I don’t think I’ve watched A&E on any kind of regular basis since their Biography series changed from (e.g.) Alexander the Great and Madame Curie to (e.g.) Rosie O’Donnell and Urkel, and that was even before we got rid of the cable.

  211. “Gosh, this is fun!”

    If by “fun” you mean “utterly irrelevant to the point at hand”, sure, but that’s not the way most people use that word.

  212. how about “neutral” or “indifferent to gay” folks ?

  213. If by “fun” you mean “utterly irrelevant to the point at hand”, sure, but that’s not the way most people use that word.

    Then using that definition would make yours fun, too.

    IOW, FYNQ.

  214. The outrage machine is much sturdier than I thought. I’d have figured the wheels would have fallen off by now.

  215. Or maybe they just figure that more pro-gay folks than anti-gay are in their core audience.

    If by core audience, we’re talking about the studio execs and the people in their social and business circles, I suspect you’re correct.

    If on the other hand, we’re talking about Nielson ratings and advertising demographics, I doubt it.

  216. because despite his poor choice of night clothes he’s probably been to college and doesn’t have a job pulling sludge out of the ground.

    He’d probably make better money pulling sludge out of the ground, though.

    Or working in the trades.

    I mean yes, white collar jobs you need to go to college for (which is fast becoming every job–I’d heard McDonald’s is now looking for at least high school grads for entry-level positions) have better returns in prestige, but mechanics and electricians do pretty great in terms of size of checks taken home.

  217. Also I like arugula and kale and not iceberg lettuce because iceburg’s kind of insipid to my tastes. :C Romaine’s great though, and better for you.

  218. “…but mechanics and electricians do pretty great in terms of size of checks taken home.”

    Yes, but they cannot be Thought Leaders.

  219. ice…b… hm.

    Oh well.

  220. This is the strangest Squirrel! I’ve seen in a while.

  221. What else are we going to do heading into the weekend before Christmas, Charles?

    I suppose we could all head over to Frey’s and ask him if he’s read any good egret tracts lately.

  222. ::hove into the office just now::

    They closed the airport, 10 minutes from my house. I thought it wise to wait before attempting the streets.

    I was right.

  223. This is the strangest Squirrel! I’ve seen in a while.

    They’re getting desperate.

  224. Not enough people cared about Paula Deen’s 20-year-old faux pas, and Christmas was coming up, and so they needed a new OUTRAGE!!!11!!1! and something else to bash Daddy with (why won’t he love me?)

  225. “Then using that definition would make yours fun, too”

    Wrong. Other than that, great point.

    “IOW, FYNQ.”

    That’s a remarkably Christian attitude you have there. Fuck you too, son, right up the ass. Sideways, with a six0foot rusty crowbar, and no lube.

    It’s amusing how the powers that be manage to keep you (and the other guys) busy ranting about the gays and the abortions, while all the time they’re busy robbing you blind and sending you straight down the road to serfdom.

    They keep stressing these hot-button issues because they WORK.

    But by all means do continue screeching about some guy on a “reality” show and his brutally irrelevant opinions about homosexuality. That is ABSOLUTELY the most important issue facing our country today, right?

  226. Wasn’t A&E the channel that had all the gay-oriented shows on it, or was that Bravo?

    Bravo is co-owned and was produced by Andy Cohen, who is a gay man. He has stepped aside and is doing some late night chat stuff. Bravo is also home of “Top Chef” and numerous other not exactly gay shows. They are primarily contests and overwrought drama like the Real Housewives franchises.

    LOGO is a straight up (pun intended) gay channel that shows movies and dramas with gay and lesbian characters. They are very formulaic and predictable for the most part.

    Arts and Entertainment (A&E) is more eclectic with a lot of trash (Honey Boo Boo, Moonshiners and the like) but also some very good dramas like “Longmire” and a few others. I want to say they also show the “Scared Straight” show, but I’m not certain.

    I don’t watch “Duck Dynasty”, but it has a larger core audience than American Idol, The Voice and some other network shows. If A&E doesn’t want them, they can do a lateral move to another network.

  227. Wrong. Other than that, great point.

    Except that you were the one setting the definitions, weren’t you? Wasn’t that what you were trying to do when comparing my conscience with yours? It’s a shame you can only recognize great points in others. One of these years, you might advance enough to make one yourself. Maybe.

    Probably not, though.

    They keep stressing these hot-button issues because they WORK.

    So, by all means, let them continue to set the terms of the situation, and the battlefield of the future. It’s attitudes like that which have ceded the so-called moral high ground to the very shiutheels you keep insisting we ignore. In short, your inaction that has allowed the hell this nation has become. Well done.

    I, OTOH, think that pushing back when they insist on deciding what is and is not okay for Christians to believe is the right thing to do, if only to point out their hypocrisy and lack of any other battle strategy.

    That is ABSOLUTELY the most important issue facing our country today, right?

    No, but the ongoing destruction of the moral foundation of society to the extent that an extreme minority is now deciding for the rest of the country what is and is not acceptable to say in public, and what opinions are and are not okay to hold, despite the spirit of the First Amendment that we should all be allowed to speak our minds, most especially on the issues of politics and religion, IS. Your protestations that we should just give up that portion of our lives on the altar of “we gotta get Republicans elected so we can continue over the cliff, just more slowly” notwithstanding.

    Anything else I can use to bitchslap you like an ugly hooker? (I use the metaphor solely to keep things within the sphere of your experience, just so we don’t have to do this dance again.)

  228. That is ABSOLUTELY the most important issue facing our country today, right?

    Have some eggnog, Spies. It’s a stupid issue, but it is the topic of the day.

  229. I bet Phil knows how to take care of squirrels.

  230. Politics is downstream from culture, SBP. We’re losing the political battles because we’ve ignored the cultural ones.

  231. Bravo is owned by NBC. A&E is owned by The Mouse.

    If you don’t think The Mouse is steering American culture, you’re not thinking.

  232. It’s amusing how the powers that be manage to keep you (and the other guys) busy ranting about the gays and the abortions, while all the time they’re busy robbing you blind and sending you straight down the road to serfdom.

    We can talk about all of them. Forcing companies to cow to political pressure is just as much a part of serfdom as socialized medicine.

    Yet Another Example of Liberal Fascism doesn’t constitute a distraction. It may bore you to tears, but it’s still part of the elephant.

    84000+ pins on 101 boards, including exercises in plant and avian taxonomy — now that’s a distraction.

  233. 1. Palin’s on the scene talking about the freedom to voice your “personal opinions” about anus and pussy…unless you’re Martin Bashir, then your scatological “personal opinions” don’t mean jack and you get fired anyway.

    When your personal opinion is that a woman should be held down and defecated and urinated upon, you’re a sick fuck. When you express that opinion during a nationally broadcast “newscast”, you demean and degrade your “profession.”

    When your personal opinion is that you’d rather stick your penis in a vagina than in a man’s anus, you’re a perfectly normal man. When you mention that to a dude you’re out in the woods hunting with, you’re a perfectly normal man.

    Something tells me you are not a perfectly normal man. Do you know the difference between a pussy and an asshole, dalek?

  234. When your personal opinion is X … you demean and degrade your “profession.”

    When your personal opinion is Y … you’re a perfectly normal man.

    The content of the comments is irrelevant. The problem is that the Left has established that Outrageous Statements must be punished by means other than low ratings that result from people being turned off by the Outrageous Statements.

    And so we on the starboard side insist that the same standard of punishment be meted out to the Left as they would deal to our side.

    In reality, nobody’s heads should roll over stuff like this. Bashir’s statement was despicable, but he should get canned only because his bosses don’t want that kinda stuff in their programming, not because they’re afraid of torches and pitchforks.

  235. - Since we have seen not a spec of evidence that any of these reactions to obvious off the rails rant is based on viewership/neilsen ratings there must be some other motivations involved in the rather inconsistant punishments meeted out.

    - What those motivations are is not clear. Since the vast majority of christians would prefer that the church doctrine be interpreted by the church rather than the faggot braggades it will most likely not matter once we get past the holidays when manufactured outrages do not make very good squirrels.

  236. Maybe when SBP figures out the culture is producing the fascism, he will quit spending all his time chastising us on how we spend our time.

    Because spending all his time every hour of every day with an obsessive fixation chastising those discussing the camel who followed his nose into the tent instead of the damage the camel did to the tent is kinda stupid.

  237. Do you know the difference between a pussy and an asshole, dalek?

    Of course not. He’s both.

  238. Do you know the difference between a pussy and an asshole, dalek?

    He knows that one requires a bit of sanitation prep work before he sticks his dick in it, so he does know that they are different at least in that respect.

  239. Srsly, what happens when the first character is @? Do I make sure the mentions are at the end?

    Somehow, this enables spam blocking. Apparently, the algorithm won’t see your tweet as spam if it doesn’t start with an @handle.

  240. In other news, none of it surprising, Beck offers Duck Dynasty a home if they want it.

  241. - Judging from its popularity I think its probably safe to say that DD will land on its feet in a very “fuck you” statement like way and A&E will suck dick, figuratively speaking.

  242. There is a “Duck Dynasty” marathon this weekend. A&E wants to have its cake and scold it too.

  243. cake is good but brownies are another seasonal favorite what should be in the mix, as they say

  244. - I also think its safe to say that feets is fixated on “brownies”, IYKWIMAITYD.

  245. i like the cream cheese ones the best but i also kinda like the old school duncan hines one with that crazy crispy flaky crust on top

    brownies and milk are very tasty and a time-honored offering that Santa is always sure to appreciate!

  246. Dicentra injects some protein-based wisdom into Ricochet.

  247. that one didn’t bounce off the target

  248. Good job, dicentra.

    There are too many fence jockeys over there for me. I used to read it a lot, but not much any more.

  249. Hottest topic on the web, the foibles of A&E. And finally the Duck Commanders respond…

    We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.

    Perhaps teh ghey community just fisted A&E, and itself? Unless there’s a plucky Poofter Commander waiting to fill the void left by DD’s departure, A&E (Hearst + Disney) will lose considerable coin.

  250. the family clearly needs to find a more better venue where they can further explore their religious views about anus

    perhaps they should run for office? If we’ve learned nothing else it’s that Republicans are hungry for religious discussions about anuses.

    Just a thought.

  251. Srsly, what happens when the first character is @? Do I make sure the mentions are at the end?

    Di, here’s part 1 of a 4 post explanation of the innards and working of Twitter Gulag. Still pretty much still the definitive work on the topic.

  252. ‘feets, your melancholy is bring down Christmas for everyone around you! Cheer up! I recommend Grand Marnier, at least 4 shots, neat.

    By mouth, that is.

  253. >the family clearly needs to find a more better venue where they can further explore their religious views about anus<

    the gayster luvs some anus how's come they don't talk it up like the fetus killers and abortion?

  254. Grand Marnier! One place back when i was little and I was working fine dining they made their chocolate mousse fresh every night and their signature was it had a few healthy splashes of Grand Marnier in it – the staff got to finish anything that didn’t sell.

    I pushed the tiramisu.

  255. West Monroe – The Robertson family has released a statement in light on A&E decision to suspend patriarch Phil Robertson in light of the comments he made to GQ.

    “We want to thank all of you for your prayers and support. The family has spent much time in prayer since learning of A&E’s decision. We want you to know that first and foremost we are a family rooted in our faith in God and our belief that the Bible is His word. While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse, his beliefs are grounded in the teachings of the Bible. Phil is a Godly man who follows what the Bible says are the greatest commandments: “Love the Lord your God with all your heart” and “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Phil would never incite or encourage hate.We are disappointed that Phil has been placed on hiatus for expressing his faith, which is his constitutionally protected right.We have had a successful working relationship with A&E but, as a family, we cannot imagine the show going forward without our patriarch at the helm. We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty. Again, thank you for your continued support of our family.”

    -Robertson Family

  256. I used to read it a lot, but not much any more.

    I continue to subscribe to it because Peter Robinson is a mensch of the first order, but yeah, it’s a casual koffee klatch with no sense of urgency.

    Almost a faculty-lounge disconnect from reality.

    But it IS a challenge to knock heads without violating the Code of Conduct, and sometimes that challenge tightens up one’s language and intensifies one’s point.

  257. >We are in discussions with A&E to see what that means for the future of Duck Dynasty <

    blazetv

  258. >Almost a faculty-lounge disconnect from reality.<

    little patches to a corrupt and broken system.

  259. Since there is apparently nothing else to talk about except the Robertsons, in particular Phil, I have a question. Phil uses some plain language to describe sexual relations and gets called out as vulgar and coarse. Yet, Kanye regularly tweets charming items such as “Just f****ed Kim raw!” And that’s cool.

    Why is this different? Is it because Phil is white? It’s a racial thing?

  260. Good work, Badgers.

  261. i’ll have a talk with Kanye

  262. Di, here’s part 1 of a 4 post explanation of the innards and working of Twitter Gulag

    K, I just read the first part and I have no idea what it means.

    If I use the REPLY button to reply to someone, that’s a problem? How else do I reply to a Tweet?

    They also did not do a very good job of showing the sequence of events: there needs to be a numbered list describing each step with the account name shown, not saying “the other person” or “the replier.”

    The screenshots were not helpful: they should have reproduced the tweets mechanically or by cropping the screenshots and inserting them in the article such that you don’t have to click them to see them.

    One. Tweet. At. A. Time.

    With captions underneath the tweets.

    </tech writer>

  263. >Kanye regularly tweets charming items<

    blacks and gaysters are part of proggslim umma sharia nation

  264. ClownDisaster insists that Iran must have the nuclear bomb. That’s what comes of a strategic geeeeeenius at the helm.

  265. So the Robertson response gets it exactly right. They offer no apologies for their principles. If only our repubican leader would do the same.

  266. >If only our repubican leader<

    ain't no such thing these days

  267. No apologies but “While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse” sounds like an admission of some regret on old Phil’s part.


  268. One. Tweet. At. A. Time.

    Ask, and ye shall receive.

  269. Btw, I notice a lot of comments that begin with “I don’t watch DD…”
    I do. I love the show. I think it’s the best thing on TV today. Successful… Entrepreneurs… God fearing … God loving … Family first… Prayer thanking Jesus for his grace at the end of almost every show. That’s my America.

  270. I can’t speak for Phil, but I would regret if my words afflicted pain on another imperfect person..
    That’s a good thing.

  271. No apologies but “While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse” sounds like an admission of some regret on old Phil’s part.

    Actually, it sounds like someone who isn’t Phil. Where’s your admission of regret?

  272. No apologies but “While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse” sounds like an admission of some regret on old Phil’s part.

    Not at all, just that he would be speaking in language between men in America. Not the footie pajama set, of course, since they are professionally offended (cv your nearest mirror), but actual men.

  273. They offer no apologies for their principles. If only our repubican leader would do the same.

    Why would they offer no apologies for principles they don’t hold?

    Silly voter: the Establicans have more in common with Harry Reid than with you.

  274. >“While some of Phil’s unfiltered comments to the reporter were coarse” <

    so anatomically correct now is "coarse". anus denier.

  275. Di
    Trix are for kids

  276. Ask, and ye shall receive.

    Much grass. I’ll try to remember the tips and tricks.

    Still in the gulag, tho.

  277. perhaps they should run for office? If we’ve learned nothing else it’s that Republicans are hungry for religious discussions about anuses.

    No. Phil answered a reporter’s question. You want the world focused on anuses. GLAAD wants the world focused on anuses.

    I know. We’re all shocked.

  278. Paul’s Epistles are a tough slog. He takes no prisoners. Time for me to go find some N T Wright sermons on YouTube to scour my soul

  279. I watched DD for the first time last night, one episode and part of another. I’m caught up now.

    I couldn’t watch Sarah Palin’s reality show either; it’s just not my thing. The last season of “Ice Road Truckers,” which used to be a favorite, went too far down the conventional reality TV path for my liking and if it returns for another season I’ll skip it.

    The only thing on A&E that I’ve watched loyally in recent years is “Longmire” and that won’t change — but as likable and respectable as the Robertsons may be in real life, their TV show simply doesn’t appeal to me.

  280. >Here we go: cognitive dissonance.<

    the proggtards are islamists/communist/statists with a different agenda. they're totalitarians with market "savvy" in a "free" society.

  281. Focus instead on Benjamin Britten’s work for awhile.

  282. Most people instinctively know that vagina > anus. The only people who want to endlessly discuss the proposition are those who disagree.

  283. Most people instinctively know that chockit chip > oatmeal raisin. The only people who want to endlessly discuss the proposition are those who disagree.

  284. do homo men like anuses? is that true? is that natural? would it work in a darwin world?

  285. No, chocolate chip never produced a human being and oatmeal raisin never emitted a turd.

    Are you a butt baby?

  286. I’ve watched only a few DD episodes but I was not captivated, which is par for “reality” shows.

    But if I had to choose between DD and Survivors, I’d go for DD in a heartbeat. It’s not about connivers and backstabbing.

  287. >The only people who want to endlessly discuss the proposition are those who disagree.<

    so you are only allowed to disagree with fag mafia once? nice "free" society there pikachu.

  288. mommy why are pubbicans always talking about butts and anuses?

  289. I’ve watched an episode a while back and I watched one tonight. It’s a good show to watch with your kids, but I’m with McGehee, it’s not something I’d watch regularly. I can’t get through the gold miner guys, either and I’m getting tired of Deadliest Catch.

    But I love Longmire and kind of like Bates Motel.

  290. >The only people who want to endlessly discuss the proposition are those who disagree. <

    shut 'em down like global warming deniers no?

  291. >mommy why are pubbicans always talking about butts and anuses? <

    why are black rappers always talking about bitches, hoes , faggots and killing?

  292. I kind of like Naked and Afraid. It’s so weird and I love to hear the initial bios from the contestants about how badass they are and then see them crying like little girls 4 days in. The girls almost always do better from a safety and basic skills standpoint.

  293. ‘feets is using the Big Brother ploy, wherein Big Bro grabs younger child’s wrist, strikes him in the face, and then asks, “Why do ya keep hitting yourself?”

  294. mommy why are pubbicans always talking about butts and anuses?

    Because those nasty scum-sucking progressives won’t ever shut up about pretending to be offended that Christians believe in the concept of sin, and that scares them, because they know where they will be going when they die.

    If they were only grown up enough to not get so offended that people might think and believe in different things than they do, we wouldn’t have to keep slapping them down for their hypocrisy and intolerant behavior, but since they aren’t, we have to talk about why they are offended.

  295. “…so anatomically correct now is “coarse”. anus denier…”

    If anything it appears the Yellow Peril is an anophile – see his at 21001912.

    Meanwhile, in the land where people don’t write as if they are 7, both Andrew Sullivan, famed gynecological detective, and Camille Paglia have both come out on the side of Robertson, so it appears the most offended are the professionally offended and the Yellow Peril, though I may repeat myself regarding the latter.

  296. Ranks right up there with “The main trouble with atheists is that they never shut up about God”…

  297. mommy why are pubbicans always talking about butts and anuses?

    Because GQ reporters keep asking them and then ‘feets has one of his fits and GLAAD comes with him, and I’m not your Mommy, but someone needs to clue your demented ass in.

  298. this seems to get it mostly right except for the silly assertion that duck boy is the anointed spokesperson of “the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality”

    http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/duck-dynasty-the-show-that-got-away-from-them

  299. glaad is the jesse jackson/al sharpton of fagdom

  300. No, no. GLAAD is on that beat now. Phil is working from the Bible which is like a hundred years old and nobody understands it.

  301. >this seems to get it mostly right except for the silly assertion that duck boy is the anointed spokesperson of “the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality” <

    go ask time/gaydom's "man of the year" he's 10' ft tall

  302. He’s not the Spokesman for Christianity, just paraphrasing what that Spokesman said. You can look it up for yourself, feets, if you were at all honest about things.

    Oh, wait…

  303. the silly assertion that duck boy is the anointed spokesperson of “the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality”

    Very well, ‘feets. What DOES Christianity teach about homosexuality?

  304. different stuff

    but mostly it teaches about the good tidings of great joy, which shall be to ALL people

  305. Though I would like to point out that those Christians who condemn gays for being sinners must likewise condemn heteros who fornicate with the opposite sex.

    And oh look, you finally have the proper interpretation for “let him cast the first stone.”

  306. different stuff

    No, sweetheart. At no time does the Bible speak approvingly of same-sex relations.

    You can plausibly argue that the Bible does not address the issue of same-sex attraction, on account of men in the ancient world were gettin it on the down-low all day long (see: Sparta), but the Bible never says, “you heteros need to knock it off, but if you really love him, it’s OK.”

  307. “different stuff”

    That is a nice and concise confession of ignorance.

  308. mostly it teaches about the good tidings of great joy, which shall be to ALL people

    You’ve never really read the Bible, have you?

  309. >but mostly it teaches about the good tidings of great joy, which shall be to ALL people <

    do you think freshly picked cherries are preferable to the frozen ones?

  310. the Bible says Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, good will toward men

    and we – all of us – you me and Phil and everybody – we happen to be on earth so our part is to do the peace and good will toward men and that means all men even gay ones

    is what’s in the Bible, so that’s important

    and it’s not good will to go do a magazine interview in a gay magazine and try and pick a fight about anuses

    it’s just tacky is what it is

  311. feets gets his interpretation of the Bible from old Charlie Brown cartoons

  312. i like chukar cherries Mr. newouter!

    http://www.chukar.com/?gclid=CIyCjPj7vbsCFTDhQgodFl0AmQ

    they’re cherrylicious!

  313. I want to hear feets’ compare/contrast between “sinner” and “sin”

  314. “it’s not good will to go do a magazine interview in a gay magazine and try and pick a fight about anuses ”

    He didn’t pick a fight and it wasn’t about anuses. Which the fucking liars damned well know.

  315. “the Bible says Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, good will toward men”

    Thus it is seen that the Yellow Peril’s sole “knowledge” of Christianity comes from some select Christmas carols

  316. i like chukar cherries Mr. *newrouter* I mean

  317. try and pick a fight about anuses

    Might want to check the sequence of events. They asked HIM what constituted sin, and he repeated what it says in the NT.

    Turns out God is pretty strict about sexual conduct — way, WAY stricter than most people in this country, including self-identified Christians.

    Christ said he came not to send peace but a sword, because His word would be so incredibly divisive that it would set father against son and mother against daughter.

    QED

  318. “which shall be to ALL people”

    Nazi’s, arsonists, cannibals, serial killers, imaginary friends, fucking liars…

  319. sinner is all of us and sin is what we do Mr. drumwaster

    it’s a fallen world

    except for Lola

  320. the Bible says Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, good will toward men

    Yeah, no. Not quite. Something tells me that you’re a Darby Bible kind of guy, whatever that is.

  321. well Christ is gonna have to tone some of that shit down if he wants any hope of getting a cable show

  322. >and it’s not good will to go do a magazine interview in a gay magazine and try and pick a fight about anuses it’s just tacky is what it is<

    explaining the method of biological procreation is now "anti clowndisaster™" yo be a clown too

  323. Stupid Christ, eh ‘feets? If you’ve got the fever, you might as well preach. So tell it. Give us The Word.

  324. “mommy why are pubbicans always talking about butts and anuses? ”

    Because you’re a stupid, drama chasing, slanderous fucking liar dear.

  325. “a cable show”

    Maybe he’s got a Roku.

  326. sinner is all of us and sin is what we do

    Right. Where did he actually say anything about the homosexuals themselves, as opposed to describing their behavior as his religious beliefs required, in response to a direct question?

    And for expressing a religious belief that a majority of Americans hold, and which might have offended a group so small they disappear into the margin of error, he should be fired?

  327. “sinner is all of us and sin is what we do Mr. drumwaster ”

    Then why should anyone be offended by Mr. Duck commander Phil ?

  328. it’s just tacky is what it is

    Not speaking up about Christ’s teachings because some people might get offended?

    The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil. — John 7:7

    John 15, wherein Jesus tells his disciples that the world HATES it when it’s called out for its wickedness, because now they can’t claim ignorance:

    18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

    19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

    20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

    21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.

    22 If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.

    23 He that hateth me hateth my Father also.

    24 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.

  329. #1 reality show on cable just got a whole lot less real, because the family that is famous for its Christian beliefs isn’t allowed to express those beliefs. And all because of the 1-in-30 sub-minority who still wants Daddy to accept them…

  330. “…well Christ is gonna have to tone some of that shit down…”

    So Happyfeet, unless you have Tourette’s Syndrome and are the only case where it shows up whilst typing, is there some reason that compels you to use various bits of cursing in nigh every post ?

    If you think it makes you look cool, hip, edgy, or tough, you have not only missed the boat, but you haven’t found the pier.

  331. Christianity is pretty clear: if you do not marry — for whatever reason — you must remain celibate.

    Doesn’t matter why you don’t marry. Maybe you’re fat and ugly. Maybe you’re autistic or have palsy. Maybe you’re not attracted to the opposite sex.

    Bottom line: no nookie outside of marriage.

  332. funny how white light shining through a prism produces roygbiv

  333. Jesus loves you even if you don’t remain celibate and you never get married

    he’s the nicest guy

  334. Jesus may love you, but he hates the stupid stuff you do, feets…

    You still think He is a nice guy?

  335. Lutheran Jesus is a nice guy for sure Mr. Drumwaster

    Mormon Jesus sounds like kind of a hard-ass

  336. >he’s the nicest guy<

    yea don't set up shop at the temple dude. he be meanie.

  337. Jesus can love you and send you to hell at the same time. Not because he doesn’t love you but because he can’t save the unrepentant.

    Can’t. Not won’t.

    The “hard ass” is St. Paul, BTW, not Mormonism.

  338. >Mormon Jesus sounds like kind of a hard-ass<

    nice fag propaganda you have there. not in the temple dude band and no"money" changing either.

  339. “band”

    oh my niggers

    Creedence Clearwater Revival – Willy and the Poor Boys

    when is that banned?

  340. “Lutheran Jesus is a nice guy for sure Mr. Drumwaster ”

    Faith without works is dead.

  341. Christian discipleship is a damned steep road. Mark 10:

    36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?

    37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.

    The [request] was one more of ignorance than impropriety, and Christ uttered not a word of rebuke. He gently answered as one who always considered the consequence of any commitment.

    “Ye know not,” he said quietly, “what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of?” This startling question did not seem to take James and John by surprise. Promptly and firmly they replied, “We are able.” And Jesus’s response to them was, “Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with”.

    Without any reference to the glory or special privilege they seem to have been seeking, this may strike one as a strange favor the Lord was granting James and John. But he was not mocking them by offering the cup of his suffering rather than a throne in his kingdom. No, he had never been more serious. The cup and the throne were inextricably linked and could not be given separately.

    I am sure that you and I, being not only less worthy than Christ but also less worthy than apostles like James and John, would leave such troublesome issues alone if they would only leave us alone. As a rule we usually do not seek the bitter cup and the bloody baptism, but sometimes they seek us. The fact of the matter is God does draft men and women into the spiritual warfare of this world, and if any of us come to genuine religious faith and conviction as a result of that—as many a drafted soldier has done—it will nevertheless be a faith and a conviction that in the first flames of the battle we did not enjoy and certainly did not expect.*

    Those who think that Jesus is a cute fluffy bunny to contrast to Mean Old Moses God are deluding themselves.

  342. I mean yes, white collar jobs you need to go to college for (which is fast becoming every job–I’d heard McDonald’s is now looking for at least high school grads for entry-level positions) have better returns in prestige, but mechanics and electricians do pretty great in terms of size of checks taken home.

    Not to mention their jobs are probably a lot more important despite the Dalek’s shrill sneering.

  343. the Bible says Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace, good will toward men

    In some versions it says Glory in the highest to God, and on earth peace to men of good will which isn’t quite the same thing.

    Jesus loves you even if you don’t remain celibate and you never get married

    he’s the nicest guy

    That’s Depeche Mode, not the Gospels.

    Ask the money changers in the temple court if they thought Jesus was a nice guy. Or the Sanhedrin for that matter.

  344. Jesus can love you and send you to hell at the same time. Not because he doesn’t love you but because he can’t save the unrepentant.

    Point of order, if you’re unrepentant, who’s the one who’s doing the sending exactly?

    Insincerely repentant on the other hand….

  345. Lutheran Jesus is a nice guy for sure Mr. Drumwaster

    Pretty sure that Martin Luther disapproved of homosexuality, too, and he’s probably spinning in his shrine over the assertion you just made. He also had a lot to say about people thinking they could buy their way into heaven…

  346. He was a humdinger, that one.

  347. Yeah, according to feets, Lutheran Jesus would be a Jew-hater, too, cuz all the kewl kidz r doin it…

  348. So is it chic fil a on saturday or not?

  349. I’m Lutheran. A lot of people expect me to defend Luther and every thing he wrote or did. I don’t. Including that.

  350. @BT: Chik-Fil-A is closed on Sundays.

    Which I guess I could whinge about since I’m not a Christian but I just go to Boston Market on my way to work even if it takes longer to finish that meal.

  351. “Because you’re a stupid, drama chasing, slanderous fucking liar dear.”

    That may or may not be true. This thread, however, is clearly about butts and anuses.

    Just like about 50-75% of the other threads around here of late.

    “Maybe when SBP figures out the culture is producing the fascism, he will quit spending all his time chastising us on how we spend our time.”

    Maybe when you quit obsessing about butts and anuses you’ll figure out exactly how you’re being manipulated.

    Nah, never happen.

  352. Actually, this thread is about the ongoing expulsion of the Christian faith from the public square by the anal obsessed crowd.

  353. Duck Dynasty: The Show That Got Away

    When the producers saw the way the show was shaping up, different than they envisioned it, they tried to change course. They tried to get the Robertson’s to tone down their Christianity, but to their eternal credit they refused. They tried to add fake cussin’ to the show by inserting bleeps where no cussword was uttered. At best, they wanted to make the Robertson’s look like crass buffoons. At worst they wanted them to look like hypocrites.

    They desperately wanted us to laugh at the Robertsons. Instead, we loved them.

    A&E wanted us to point fingers at them and laugh at them. But something else happened entirely. Millions upon millions of people tuned in, not to laugh at them, but to laugh with them.

    And then we pointed at them. We pointed at them and said things like, “I wish my family was more like them. I wish we prayed together as a family. I wish we were together like the Robertsons.”

    By the time this all happened, A&E had a conundrum. They knew who the Robertsons were and what they believe and they still held it in disdain. But they really liked the money. Really liked the money. So they lived with it.

    But the progressives whose bank accounts were not growing fatter because of these backward rubes were never inclined to look the other way. They hate the show and they really hate the response to the show. They want it destroyed.

    That is what this is all about, in a nutshell.

  354. McGehee says December 19, 2013 at 8:53 pm
    I watched DD for the first time last night, one episode and part of another. I’m caught up now.
    I couldn’t watch Sarah Palin’s reality show either; it’s just not my thing. The last season of “Ice Road Truckers,” which used to be a favorite, went too far down the conventional reality TV path for my liking and if it returns for another season I’ll skip it.
    The only thing on A&E that I’ve watched loyally in recent years is “Longmire” and that won’t change — but as likable and respectable as the Robertsons may be in real life, their TV show simply doesn’t appeal to me.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52237#comments

    I’ve seen a couple of episodes. It doesn’t engage me. I like Game of Thrones, Boardwalk Empire and for some reason Gold Rush. Other than that I don’t watch much. My entertainment tends to be hands on. Somewhere in my pile of junk is a six inch telescope mirror blank. My winter project is to grind and polish it. This may involve making a machine.
    Stay tuned

  355. Ohnoes, the thread is become too long. My little Droid doth protest the loading of it!

    Actually, this thread is about the ongoing expulsion of the Christian faith from the public square by the anal obsessed crowd.

    Summarized nicely, Pablo.

    Anal retentive works too…
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb7vc6aCEAAdHsi.png

  356. One of the things people who are serious about Christianity learn very quickly is that the Bible is not a buffet line where you get to take only the parts you like and reject the parts that make you uncomfortable about things you’ve been doing.

    Because the part about being uncomfortable about things you’ve been doing? That’s the fundamental issue between God and man. There’s no “agree to disagree” on that one. There’s no peaceful coexistence between sin and truth.

    If you can’t even bear to be uncomfortable about the fact you’re a sinner — not the fact you got caught sinning, but the fact you are a sinner — you’re never going to be able to do what you have to do to be saved.

  357. Cafeteria Christians, you say? Say it ain’t so!

  358. SBP, this Duck Dynasty kerfuffle may well be distractive from more weighty issues, but massive numbers of Americans are getting exposed to the machinations of the Left’s soul-crushing assault on our culture. Many of those, so exposed, perhaps for the first time, may become attuned and pay more attention to more subtle attacks going forward.

    We can only hope. Because it seems the Loyal Opposition is losing traction as each kerfuffle unfolds and passes unnoticed.

  359. well Christ is gonna have to tone some of that shit down if he wants any hope of getting a cable show

    I’ve never read a more tone-deaf comment on pw in my entire life.

    Cinnamon and sugary
    and softly spoken lies
    You never know just how you look
    Through other people’s eyes

  360. Completely off topic and outdated, but hilarious if you like “good men” such as certain turncoat DDA’s.

    The circles within circles are amazing.

  361. Veering back on-topic (I know, how gauche, right?):

    UPDATE: Controversial Ohio Homeschool Bill Withdrawn After Grassroots Tsunami Opposes

    In a stunning reversal, Cafaro, the bill’s sponsor, announced on Thursday that she intends to withdraw the bill. Declaring that the bill was never meant to provoke a policy debate on homeschooling, Cafaro said,

    “After consultation with Teddy’s family, we have collectively decided the best course of action is for me to withdraw SB 248, and instead pursue a more comprehensive approach to address the current challenges in the state’s social service and criminal justice system.”

  362. Translation: “I would have gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for those meddling hobbits and their dog!”

  363. Declaring that the bill was never meant to provoke a policy debate on homeschooling, Cafaro said,

    “We were hoping to slide it past you rubes without anyone really noticing.”

  364. Heh: *** Gulen’s Hizmet movement, long a close ally of Erdogan, has in recent months publicly fallen out with the prime minister over his plans to shut down private schools in Turkey, including those run by Hizmet.

    AKP member of parliament Hakan Sukur, a well-known follower of Gulen, quit the Party on Monday in protest over the prep school plans. [...]

    “Erdogan used the Gulen-dominated security forces to go after his enemies, but now that they’re targeting his allies, he’s whining like a toddler,” said Rubin. [...]

    Rubin sees a chance that Erdogan ends up in prison or in exile in Saudi Arabia. ***

  365. if you’re unrepentant, who’s the one who’s doing the sending exactly?

    There’s no “sending.”

    You’re in a state of torment because you’ve allowed your soul to become twisted into a shape that doesn’t conform to the reality on the other side of the veil. It’s the natural consequence of what you did and what you’ve become.

    IOW, if your mom says “don’t touch the hot stove,” and you do anyway, she’s not the one who burned your hand.

  366. Let’s see.

    Browsing backward from this post and skimming the comments, I see 4 posts in the past 20 that in any way reference homosexuality (or have had their comments derailed into that, since this one does not explicitly do so).

    4/20 = 20%. If we’re being generous and counting posts about “butts and anuses”, we can maybe at the two comment threads where the commentariat waxed thoughtful about banning hellomynameissteve, as he is a butt, so that’s 6/20 = 30%. On the other hand, this is the only thread where talk explicitly mentioned butts and/or anuses, making it 1/20 = 5%.

    Certainly well shy of 50-75%.

    SBP, if you want to join happyfeet in his bubble of Stolid Not Getting the Picture (on why it’s not homosexuality per se that’s the problem but the hyperaggressive and bad-faith behavior of its defenders), then that’s fine. If you’re bothered by the non-secular types in the commentariat having different opinions on something you see as a social non-issue, that’s cool too.

    But please don’t engage in terrible rhetorical tactics to express your displeasure. And let me also point out that an aggressive mentality of tolerance promotion (or here: “prejudice reduction”) often meets some pretty serious backlash for psychological reasons.

  367. To be fair, Pelligri, I have to wonder if you’ve done a search for squeakhole and included it in your tabulations.

    It matters, dammit!

    Or not.

  368. We should probably throw chocolate starfish on the pile too, for the fairness.

  369. *cracks up*

    No, I did not do it quite so rigorously, I just skimmed post topics and worked off my memory of the comment threads I’d read or participated in. So while I throw some very light math in there it’s really about as anecdotal as SBP’s “50-75%” or “100s of posts” claims.

  370. I kid SBP because I love. Jesus made me do it.

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  372. i dunno about the starfish but these chocolate bears from beverly hills chocolatier diane kron are really special

    you get an assortment of dark, milk, and white

    crunchy crunchy bears bears!

    it’s chocolatey diversity you can be proud to send to even the mostest hardest-to-buy-for wizzles on your christmas list

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