December 11, 2013

GOP establishment to Americans: We Simply Refuse To Win!

Quinnipiac:

President Barack Obama’s job approval among American voters drops to a new low, a negative 38 – 57 percent, as the outlook for Democrats running for Congress and the U.S. Senate fades also, according to a national poll released today. He even gets a negative 41 – 49 percent among voters 18 to 29 years old and a lackluster 50 – 43 percent approval among Hispanic voters.

American voters say 41 – 38 percent that they would vote for a Republican over a Democrat for the U.S. House of Representatives, the first time this year the Democrats come up on the short end of this generic ballot. Independent voters back Republican candidates 41 – 28 percent. Voters also say 47 – 42 percent that they would like to see Republicans gain control of the U.S. Senate and the House. Independent voters go Republican 50 – 35 percent for each.

And the GOP leadership’s response? Surrender to the Dems on a “bipartisan” budget deal that once again gives we the people the shit end of the stick — while at the same time, sending Mitch McConnell around the talk show circuit to tell us how we simply can’t repeal ObamaCare, that the only way to get rid of it is to re-elect Republicans to power, even if those Republicans are the types who act in nearly every respect just like Democrats.

No thanks. Gonna pass. Not interested in the “positioning” or the gamesmanship, or who “gets blamed” if there’s another government shutdown. I’m not some unaffected spectator at a game of political chess being played by those who are all pretty much set for life.

By trying to outmaneuver Dems on some imaginary political chess board, the GOP will once again snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, failing to stand up for the American people when it is leadership the American people want — not risk avoidance. In fact, I’m beginning to believe this is the plan: better to serve as the minority party in an explosive federal government awash in perks and corruption than to have to represent silly conservatives and their hoary principles, which would involve representatives willingly giving up much of their power and influence and wealth-wrangling ability.

Which, ha!

Posted by Jeff G. @ 9:29am
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Comments (283)

  1. LIVs get LIRs but HIVs get VRs.

    Translation.

    Low Information Voters get Low Information Representatives but High Information Voters get Vaporware Representatives.

  2. Bonehead, predictably, seizes the moment to stab the Tea Party in the back.

    http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/11/21863224-boehner-lashes-out-at-conservative-groups-on-budget-deal?lite

    Remind me again why anyone votes for that useless waste of beta carotene? Please tel me he has a primary challenger next time around.

  3. Tom Coburn and Justin Amash say “Fuck this bill.”

  4. Louie Gohmert says “Fuck this bill.”

  5. Mitch Miller says, “Come on, America! Let’s sing along!

  6. Mush McConnell and Weepy’s plan for victory:

    1. Use media bias as an excuse for paralysis.
    2. ????
    3. WINNING!!

  7. >Please tel me he has a primary challenger next time around. <

    JD Winteregg

  8. republicans don’t just cede the fiscal argument to the food stamp whores they cede the moral argument about how it’s wrong to enslave wee lil american children to debt they had no say in incurring

    it’s not the kids’ fault they were born in this piece of shit neo-fascist whorestate

    and this idea that we have to toss out the sequester just for to slop the pentagon piggies, I don’t think that flies anymore with a whole lot of people

  9. Hard to be inspired by people whose talking points all begin with “We can’t,” “There’s no way,” and “OMG WTF GUBMINT SHUTOWN!”

    By all means, let’s elect MORE of you to office.

    In other news, there was a Mt. Vernon conference on the 7th, wherein state delegates began to set up conditions for an Article V convention.

  10. Firing on your own troops is so much easier than firing on the enemy.

    I’d say, “Down with the establishment!”, but I fear that brings up to many hippie connotations.

  11. The bill is kind of like an offer from Wimpy, “I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today.”

    Popeye knows he’ll never see that money again.

  12. Art Laffer says “Fuck this bill.”

  13. Worse than that, Leigh. Since it has a “secret” tax raise included to slump through a few months longer than a January collapse, it’s “I’ll gladly pay you Tuesday, for a hamburger today. That’ll be five dollars. Thank you for shopping with me.”

  14. Yes, William. It’s a bad deal, all the way around.

    I’ve lost my grudging respect for Paul Ryan now that he’s outted his inner RINO.

  15. Do you suppose these guys will be stunned when they find themselves about to join their Senate collaborators in the minority next December, or do they hate the base so much that they simply don’t care?

  16. I’ll bet on stunned, but that doesn’t discount the fact that they hate us.

  17. So you’re betting they learned exactly nothing from 2012, then?

  18. Big deal. They can’t filibuster it, so it’s not like he’s trying to defeat it.

  19. Rats, I forgot about that.

  20. On the bright side, it’s an excuse for the House Republicans to tell their own leadership to go fuck themselves.

    That is, if they (the leadership) can tear themselves away from the fucking over the Democrats are giving them.

  21. If I had to guess, I’d say Ryan is concerned about the upcoming market collapse, and wants to show how big and strong the government is by not having a shutdown performance so soon after the last one.

    They are convinced that the average American either trusts them or trusts the news shows. Cause between the DC bubble and their rallies, that’s pretty much all they see.

    Not understanding that you don’t need trust or intelligence in a bread and circus society, and they won’t be able to keep their positions as “permanent opposition” easily.

  22. If the Democrats think there’s a political advantage to be found in a shutdown, e.g. changing the subject from Obamacare, there will be a shutdown.

    Because the Republicans aren’t smart enough to interject

    and if you like your plan, you can keep it into every Democrat talking point.

  23. They could easily outmaneuver the Republicans into another shut-down, certainly.

    They might if they really understood how scary the news cycle will be starting Jan 2, but… that Washington bubble, I dunno. This is obviously the bipartisan Christmas gift of the Ruling Washington class to buy both sides an “easy” 2014 election cycle.

    They really don’t get how incredibly close they are to permanently losing the narrative. And, again, why/how would they?

  24. The market is about to create a tsunami. That ought to change the subject.

  25. Strange game. The only way to win is not to play.

    And I mean that.We cannot play with either party. Like on the playground, we need to be bullies.

    There IS no way to win, but ala “The Oulaw Josie Wales”, They are telling us to Endeavour to Persevere…Thing is? we’ve already thought about it.

    Want to go to war?

  26. They really don’t get how incredibly close they are to permanently losing the narrative. And, again, why/how would they?

    - The DC echo chamber has so insulated the ruling class from reality they not only don’t see the possibility, they don’t even consider it exists at all. Arrogance has fogged over everyones brains inside the beltway.

  27. Oh, yeah.

    There’s no way this nonsense survives into next year. The only question is what day does it truly begin to collapse.

    We don’t survive a market frenzy, which may start as soon as mid Jan. And we certainly can’t whistle passed Cancer patients dying, as everyone struggles to find bureaucratically acceptable ways to throw money at them.

    Some may survive, and Washington may find a way to grab reins again, but not enough to make this compromise a wise idea. People in the weak opposition party will definitely be going home.

  28. - The thing that will finally settle it all will be when the flow of revenue begins to slow and get cut off for various reasons. At some point when the income is too much exceeded by the printing of money that inflation raises on a daily basis you will know the end is near.

  29. If I had to guess, I’d say Ryan is concerned about the upcoming market collapse, and wants to show how big and strong the government is by not having a shutdown performance so soon after the last one.

    Just for the record, the last one was yesterday.

  30. Agreed. And with China saying “Not tonight, America, I have a headache,” you know that’s coming.

  31. I don’t think we’ll get like Zimbabwe or post ww1 Germany, but with the present regime? Venezuela looks possible

  32. Gotta go shopping, dumping off the grandkids on my aunt….be back later.

  33. - Best guess Pablo, is that no one noticed anything different from any other day.

  34. - Self flaggelation among the true believers, or just more Kubuki theater?

  35. Depends, BBH, has she asked for this before?

    Because standard operation is that they demand an investigation, it “happens,” then someone quietly finds “a great opportunity they can’t refuse.”

    Then Obama comes out to wrap it up with a big bow of denying reality and that anything ever happened.

  36. - Well that or they can all fall back on that most scientific of answers that serves to give closure to every WH disaster, “A lot”.

    - After a few weeks of the WH/HHS staffs “looking for the records” the media will forget about it all together.

  37. All true. But they don’t yet realize that they can’t bury this, because this disaster doesn’t really START until Jan 1st.

    And they’ve already played the pathetic cards of Immigration “reform,” inequality “reform”, “Christians are allowed to make mistakes.” All to survive a week and see if they can pivot yet.

    OT: Who else is loving Boner’s confusion that the Conservative media aren’t planning nice about this stupid budget deal?

  38. ….In related comic relief news:

    “Most Transparent Administration In History Shrouds Obama-Sebelius Calendar In Secrecy”….

    Thus far, White House spokesman Jay Carney has only responded to the GAI study with double talk about how some cabinet official meetings with the president are recorded on some calendars, and others are not. Carney claims, though, that Sebelius and Obama met “often.” This same defense came from White House spokeswoman Joanne Peters, who claimed the two met “frequently.”

    - This entire “latest scandal” is starting to sound like its directly from the scrpit for the Pirates of Penzance, but in this case the “orphan” is anything that gets anywhere within 1000 miles of the truth.

    - In the end the ruse the Left will use to protect Bumblefucks legacy is a total absence from any of the multiple train wrecks, using the excuse he was unaware of whatever disaster befell at the time.

    - In the very next breath they will trumpet the supreme excellance of his intelligence and leadership without blinking an eye, or stopping to consider what a bunch of fucking morons they look like. Scratch a Progressive, find zero awareness of irony, and even less of reality.

  39. See, we don’t know how they met, cause they meet like Fitz and Liv.

    …not that I actually expect anyone to get a “Scandal” joke. Though I will say that it’s an interesting show to see what Liberals think modern politics might be like.

  40. - Just as his introduction, and campaigning, bio, and election were all programmed, managed, scripted, and arranged to a narrative, so will his legacy be.

    - With all due respect to Ray Bradbury, you might call him “The Illustrated President”

  41. using the excuse he was unaware of whatever disaster befell at the time

    And as Steyn said, no one is madder about all of the scandals this Administration has been involved in than Barry, and as soon as he figures out who is supposed to be in charge of the Executive Branch of the Government, there’s gonna be the very devil to pay…

    Any. Day. Now. Top. Men.

  42. “I had no idea that individual was in the audience,” Panetta said in a statement. “To this day, I wouldn’t know him if he walked into the room.” Panetta spokesman Jeremy Bash said Panetta assumed everyone in the audience had the proper clearance to hear the speech.

    The documents refer to Panetta revealing the name of the ground commander of the unit that carried out the raid.

    - Of course the fact that Bumblefuck was choomping at the bit for an endzone victory dance, and a chance to spike the ball as pushback against his play-station drones war embarrassment had nothing to do with finding a way “to get this info to Hollywood” without public exposure.

    - Nevah!I wonder how many years will have to pass before we get anything like truth in the media once Bumblefuck is gone.

    - Actually the only way I see any of that happening is if the Left decides to feed off the political corpse of Jug Ears for the sake of Billary’s campaign somehow.

  43. Re: Sebelius calls for investigation.

    She is just doing as her boss does like Drumwaster commented on da-boss at 4:55. Nobody will be madder than she is that the website doesn’t work. She will get “top [wo]men to investigate and report back to her. Soonest…………… or by 2017 at least.

  44. glenn beck on levin tomorrow night

  45. >psa< pro-tip for all of you softies outside of the Great White Nord: tequila and sub-zero temperatures don’t mix >/psa<

  46. I swore off tequila when I turned thirty, but thanks for the tip.

    I don’t believe Mz. Sebelius has the authori-tay to call for an investigation.

  47. she called for the hhs ig to do an investigation

  48. - In the presser today the substitute WH spokesperson again refused to guarentee that anyone who signs up by Dec 23 will get the required coverage by Jan 1.

    - Aside from the embarrassment they will face if people get nailed for something thats simply not possible, they seem to lack the understanding of just how bad “no coverage” can/will be for many people.

    - Just watching the incideous disscussions by the people involved in OCare in the WH and HHS, it seems they have no idea what they’re fucking with.

  49. Only two ways to kill the beast: cut off revenue supply; cut off air supply.
    I share our proprietor’s observation. I can’t f’in’ believe it. The gods must be crazy.

  50. Doing whatever it takes (which includes voting ‘rat) to get rid of Boehner et al should be a no-brainer for conservatives.

  51. I don’t know. Saying that it’s necessary to vote for the lesser of two evils, assumes that evil is necessary.

    Screw that.

    OUTLAW!

  52. Do you suppose these guys will be stunned when they find themselves about to join their Senate collaborators in the minority next December, or do they hate the base so much that they simply don’t care? – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    They’ve run the math. Your ship is sinking. It’s funny that you think otherwise.

    I’ll bet on stunned, but that doesn’t discount the fact that they hate us. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Licking your chops at blowing up the world economy can have that effect.

    On the bright side, it’s an excuse for the House Republicans to tell their own leadership to go fuck themselves. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Let’s hope they do, in the craziest language imaginable.

    They could easily outmaneuver the Republicans into another shut-down, certainly. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Hahahahahahahaha. Your guys giving you exactly the shutdown you demanded is now democratic outmaneuvering and trickery.

    There’s no way this nonsense survives into next year. The only question is what day does it truly begin to collapse.
    We don’t survive a market frenzy, which may start as soon as mid Jan. And we certainly can’t whistle passed Cancer patients dying, as everyone struggles to find bureaucratically acceptable ways to throw money at them.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Oh goodie! A prediction. So what date can I show up and say, “Guess you were wrong, huh?”

    And with China saying “Not tonight, America, I have a headache,” you know that’s coming. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Unlike you fucktards, China isn’t actually looking for self immolation at this time.

  53. It’s funny that the troll thinks “the math” can contradict the evidence.

  54. >Unlike you fucktards, China isn’t actually looking for self immolation at this time<

    yo proggtarded scum

    Chinese media: smog has at least five benefits

  55. Which moron is this steve? The rude one, I know.

    steve, the market is on the verge of a panic, as they used to call them. Market researcher guys like you should know this stuff.

  56. >They’ve run the math. Your ship is sinking. It’s funny that you think otherwise. <

    steve did a 6 year old girl kiss your hand?

  57. “Unlike you fucktards, China isn’t actually looking for self immolation at this time. ”

    Oh. So much like healthcare, insurance, taxes, regulations, the economy, constitutional law, the politics of the country, gun rights you don’t know much about China either? Quelle surprise.

  58. Do you suppose these guys will be stunned when they find themselves about to join their Senate collaborators in the minority next December, or do they hate the base so much that they simply don’t care? – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    They’ve run the math. Your ship is sinking. It’s funny that you think otherwise.

    What’s even funnier? Your lack of reading comprehension.

    And by funny, I mean strange.

    And kind of sad, too.

  59. >China isn’t actually looking for self immolation at this time.<

    stevie did anita dunn kiss your hand. mao er mao

  60. “Your ship is sinking. It’s funny that you think otherwise.

    It’s funny that recent polls say otherwise too. :) The democrat generic ballet is looking worse and worse.

  61. There is likely a “Dummies” book for that, steve. “Reading Comprehension for Dummies.” Or, “Reading for Content Made Easy.”

    If not, we can point you to some excellent primers and easy-peasy worksheets.

  62. >stunned when they find themselves about to join their Senate collaborators in the minority next December, Unfortunately the precise
    opposite occurred: the manager of the brewery, who was a member
    of the Communist Party’s district committee, had friends in higher
    places and he saw to it that the situation was resolved in his favour.
    S.’s analysis was described as a ‘defamatory document’ and S.
    himself was labelled a ‘political saboteur’. He was thrown out of the
    brewery and shifted to another one where he was given a job
    requiring no skill. Here the notion of small-scale work had come up
    against the wall of the post-totalitarian system. By speaking the
    truth, S. had stepped out of line, broken the rules, cast himself
    out, and he ended up as a sub-citizen, stigmatized as an enemy. He
    could now say anything he wanted, but he could never, as a matter
    of principle, expect to be heard. He had become the ‘dissident’ of
    the Eastern Bohemian Brewery.<

  63. “Unlike you fucktards, China isn’t actually looking for self immolation at this time. ”

    Might want to Google “Senkaku” to see just how stable, united, and secure China is feeling right now.

  64. for steve

    >Unfortunately the precise
    opposite occurred: the manager of the brewery, who was a member
    of the Communist Party’s district committee, had friends in higher
    places and he saw to it that the situation was resolved in his favour.
    S.’s analysis was described as a ‘defamatory document’ and S.
    himself was labelled a ‘political saboteur’. He was thrown out of the
    brewery and shifted to another one where he was given a job
    requiring no skill. Here the notion of small-scale work had come up
    against the wall of the post-totalitarian system. By speaking the
    truth, S. had stepped out of line, broken the rules, cast himself
    out, and he ended up as a sub-citizen, stigmatized as an enemy. He
    could now say anything he wanted, but he could never, as a matter
    of principle, expect to be heard. He had become the ‘dissident’ of
    the Eastern Bohemian Brewery.<

  65. China is feeling pretty feisty. All those unwed guys of military age need something to let off steam.

  66. Yertle can bitch all he wants. When Mack’s had enough the big plan is over.

  67. The democrat generic ballet is looking worse and worse.

    Which explains why Boehner and stevie-e-i-e-i-doh! are doing the same strut.

    They both think it’s a binary choice.

  68. Nothing shushes unruly regions and districts like a suddenly drummed up common enemy. Especially if it’s Japan. Hopefully. That’s the plan anyway.

  69. All those unwed guys of military age need something to let off steam.

    That’s Siberia’s problem.

  70. Yeah I should have said ballot instead of ballet. Oh well. Pas de doux, pas de doux, pirrouet, leap, and point.

  71. Or pas de deux, even.

  72. paw day duhr

  73. Faux pas, pronounced fox paws.

  74. steve how stupid are you?

  75. Somewhere between Fredo Corleone stupid and Frank Stallone stupid

    would be my guess

  76. every child can learn

  77. According to the rules and concepts of “extended anti-family” my grandpa’s deadliest enemy would be my faux pas.

  78. Hoo boy, Ernst. That’s some black hole stupid there. Weapons grade, even.

  79. steve is special: he has a trophy to prove it!

  80. Oh Wow. Chia duck Dynasty is a thing. The old Chia ZZ Top Joke is now essentially REAL and on the market. I read reprints of underground comics in the 80′s not realizing that real life would actually turn squinky on me and that Mr. Natural would come to life so he could build me a French Dip at WhichWich. Life is but a fever dream.

  81. Steve, I literally say “Mid Jan” in the part of my post you QUOTED.

    Please tell me at least you’re smart enough to understand what that means.

    But if not, well, I guess you have plenty of time to “crack the code” on when to call me out on my opinion.

  82. steve is part of the john podesta stupid

  83. that makes steve soros “stupid”

    Abba – Money, Money, Money

  84. Steve, I literally say “Mid Jan” in the part of my post you QUOTED.
    Please tell me at least you’re smart enough to understand what that means.
    But if not, well, I guess you have plenty of time to “crack the code” on when to call me out on my opinion.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040591

    William, when you hang out here longer, you’ll learn to be less definitive. Being wrong a lot’s going to do that for you. The long timers here have learned to *never* give a straight answer.

  85. I’ve hanged out here a lot longer than you, Steve. I just don’t post much. I try to only post jokes and, well, this year….

    Seriously. Mid January. You’re going to love it. Yeah, I did say “sometime next year” for the stock market, but what the hey, give you a chance on that one. Mid Jan is extremely possible, and I even have an inside reason to think so.

    But I’m extremely confident in the “desperately throw money at dying cancer patients because we didn’t figure out the bureaucracy” prediction for that point.

    Unfortunately, everyone on this board can predict what you’ll say at that point too.

  86. - Steve-O, along with the rest of his fellow Prog sell-outs, very much need our ship to be sinking, because otherwise Bumblefuck is going down for the count.

    - He and his ilk helped get a non-citizen Kenyan elected, why would they not deney anything and everything that proves the entire cult is a failure?

  87. Kinda spoiling the “surprise” BBH.

  88. you have to chum the waters but sparingly otherwise shark week jumps the shark on like tuesday afternoon and your audience gets antsy and then drifts away like the crowd after the gurney is lifted into the ambulance

    you know what is a tasty low-carb dessert though?

    apples!

    ok here is what you do

    get the granny smith ones – they’re easy to find cause of they’re green whereas the other apples are red – it’s like backwards rudolph noses

    ok

    so get an apple slicer and slice up those bastards – put each one in like a dessert bowl

    this should’ve taken you all of like 32 seconds

    good job

    ok

    now get you some this

    use that to kinda dot/drizzle your lil apple slices – and you don’t have to get crazy you ain’t some minimum wage piece of shit down at the baskin-robbins so don’t act like one

    this is a classy dessert

    ok now – crumble up some nice imported bleu cheese – the good stuff and if you don’t know what i mean just get the most expensive – you’re gonna have plenty left over for salads or whatever

    ok now crumble sum dat on your appless

    There you go!

    muy tasty low carb dessert! And very elegant-looking.

  89. We ‘ve also learned that steve and steve alone, is the only “person” here who values steve’s dull, witless, and empty spew. We know this because he gives himself lots of auto-kudos after wasting our time with a stale talking point, bizarre assertion, easily debunked factoid, or just making up something up.

  90. a request for paulryan

    Abba – Dancing Queen

  91. *apples* i mean

  92. - Steve-dolt, you haven’t been here long enough to know what The long timers do or don’t do here.

    - Besides, you seem to be confusing people like Sebelius, (who was told today that getting her to answer a simple question is like talking to N Korea) with people on our side.

    - But projection is part of your tool box as a substitute for any real points or arguments, so its understood you’d make that attempt. FAIL.

  93. >Being wrong a lot’s going to do that for you.<

    if you like your health care……………….?

  94. shoot the pikachu ;)

  95. - Steve-dolt, you haven’t been here long enough to know what The long timers do or don’t do here.

    Not under that particular persona, anyways.

  96. paulryan the abba of the house

  97. “They’ve run the math. Your ship is sinking. It’s funny that you think otherwise.”

    That would be the same math that shows Ted Cruz in a dead-heat with Hillary! in Colorado? The same math that tells us Bumblefuck still hasn’t done anything about the five million people who are losing their insurance in less than three weeks? The same math that has Bumblefuck below Bush Jr. at his worse, and headed down?

    “China isn’t actually looking for self immolation at this time. ”

    What China “wants” doesn’t actually matter and China knows it. A new cycle of Warring States is inevitable. They have quite a bit of experience with that, you know.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynasties_in_Chinese_history

  98. - Your half white prez is simply no longer trusted Steve-dolt. That means you are fatally fucked along with your cult party. You need to be thinking about what you’re going to do once the shit storm blowback from all the wonderous destruction you’ve wraught begins.

    - It will entail even more intense lying.

    - My guess is that sometime in the next three years it will become difficult to find anyone who admits to being a Progressive in any location except Communist headquarters.

  99. @ page 49

    >In societies under the post-totalitarian system, all political life in the
    traditional sense has been eliminated. People have no opportunity
    to express themselves politically in public, let alone to organize
    politically. The gap that results is filled by ideological ritual. In such
    a situation, people’s interest in political matters naturally dwindles
    and independent political thought, in so far as it exists at all, is seen
    by the majority as unrealistic, far-fetched, a kind of self-indulgent
    game, hopelessly distant from their everyday concerns; something
    admirable, perhaps, but qui.te pointless, because it is on the one
    hand entirely utopian and on the other hand extraordinarily
    dangerous, in view of the unusual vigour with which any move in
    that direction is persecuted by the regime.
    Yet even in such societies, individuals and groups of people exist
    who do not abandon politics as a vocation and who, in one way or
    another, strive to think independently, to express themselves and in
    some cases even to organize politically, because that is a part of their
    attempt to live within the truth.<

  100. I mean steve give us “straight answers” like ‘Obamacare is the only thing that prevents us all from fighting over organs in the streets’. ‘Only the safety net prevents mass starvation’. ‘Raising tax rates always increases revenue.’ ‘Higher premiums with much higher deductables are a great deal and the only way that 40 million people can have access to health care when more people have lost their insurance than got insurance since Obamacare started.’ ‘Obamacare will be fine by March.’ ‘States that don’t vote for democrats are dumbfuckistan’.

    steve is a smug, confused, ignorant, bigoted little tool and nothing more.

  101. Yeah, but he’s kind of the wooden dummy to your knee, Palaeo. I won’t lie I usually laugh when he shows up.

  102. …continued, part 2

    With 47 million people wallowing in poverty and real median household income lower than it was in 1999 a pallor of hopelessness has descended upon our land. Banking and corporate interests have captured the economic, financial and political systems to such an extent the people no longer have any say in how this country is governed. The people are given a choice of flavors in what passes for elections by the corporate interests that choose the candidates. Once a politician attains office and does what they are instructed by the financial interests that fund their campaigns, they become rich and powerful. This is why 90% of incumbents are re-elected despite Congress having a 12% approval rating in polls.

    The last 13 years has confirmed the country is run by one party, as the Republican figurehead rolled out new trillion dollar entitlement programs, fought undeclared wars, created an Orwellian organization to spy on Americans, and drove deficits to staggering levels. Now the current Democrat figurehead has rolled out a disastrous new trillion dollar entitlement program, continues to fight undeclared wars, drones innocent people in foreign countries, secretly collects data on every American, and has driven deficits to epic heights.

    The Crisis began in 2008 with the Wall Street created worldwide financial implosion, spurred by the greatest control fraud in history. The bankers and politicians have implemented “solutions” that have further enriched the kleptocratic parasite class, while impoverishing savers, seniors, and the working middle class who played by the rules. The temperament of the country has continued to darken and societal trust is imploding, just as Strauss & Howe predicted in 2007.

    “As the Crisis catalyzes, these fears will rush to the surface, jagged and exposed. Distrustful of some things, individuals will feel that their survival requires them to distrust more things. This behavior could cascade into a sudden downward spiral, an implosion of societal trust.” – The Fourth Turning

    There never was a separation of Parties. Both share a common interest: stay in power as the Ruling Class, keep those who are paying their freight to power in power, and only rock the boat enough to make it seem like there’s some significant difference between the two. Barky is far-Left idealistic enough that he’s rocking over the top, but he dares not really challenge his puppeteers. None of ‘em do.

    After today? the gloves must come off. We should never vote GOP again, unless the candidate is of the TEA.

    But there isn’t all that much difference, if you consider what are the outcomes.

  103. You must understand steve: He thinks his canned lies are “straight answers” so the people he hates must not have any.

  104. China has big long term problems which they will likely export to other nations in the form of conflict. Unless their more pressing economic problems make that impossible and the conflict stays internal.

  105. - Sen. Pat Tooney is on the floor of the Senate right now running through the some 20+ new taxes that have been imposed under ObamaCare.

    - All these taxes are in addition to existing taxes, directly levied on individuals and businesses. The asshole Progs know these taxes will hammer the economy eventually, but they don’t give a shit. They need the influx of capital to offset the increased costs of simply implimenting OCare, not even dealing with the increased policy costs and deductables.

    - At a time when our work place participation is at an all time low OCare makes it obligatory for mid size companies to avoid reaching 50 employees. Employers are cutting back on workers hours to avoid other healthcare increases.

    - Yet another detail is the requirement for religious orgs to support certain coverage that sets againts their faith. Obama says well the insurance companies can just give then that coverage for free. Stupid layered on illegal.

    - Hes also covering the abject lies about keeping your policy, your doctor, your hospital, your meds. Thats a four way lie, better than a hat trick in hockey.

  106. @ page 51

    >If some of the most important political impulses in Soviet bloc
    countries in recent years have come initially – that is, before being
    felt on the level of actual power – from mathematicians, philosophers,
    physicians, writers, historians, ordinary workers and so on.,
    more frequently than from politicians, and if the driving force
    behind the various ‘dissident movements’ comes from so many
    people in ‘non-political’ professions, this is not because these people
    are more clever than those who see themselves primarily as politicians.
    It is because those who are not politicians are also not so
    bound by traditional political thinking and political habits and
    therefore, paradoxically, they are more aware of genuine political
    reality and more sensitive to what can and should be done under the
    circumstances.
    There is no way around it: no matter how beautiful an alternative
    political model may be, it can no longer speak to the ‘hidden
    sphere’, inspire people and society, call for real political ferment.
    The real sphere of potential politics in the post-totalitarian system is
    elsewhere: in the continuing and cruel tension between the complex
    demands of that system and the aims of life, that is, the elementary
    need of human beings to live, to a certain extent at least, in harmony
    with themselves, that is, to live in a bearable way, not to be humiliated
    by their superiors and officials, not to be continually watched
    by the police, to be able to express themselves freely, to find an
    outlet for their creativity, to enjoy legal security, and so on.<

  107. poor china’s just trying to throw off an entrenched fascist freedom-hating government – just like us

    two peasies in a wee lil pod, we two

    more or less

  108. - OT – ZOMG, Someone on Shummers staff needs to teach him the proper pronounciation of the word “Opitome”.

  109. we want chinese food and we want it now!

  110. ax krugman?

  111. Zero Interest-Rate Policy, and Quantitative Easing bringing us such wonders all designed on campus in the 70s and 80s by the “MIT [economic] Engineers.”

  112. i’ve never had me a proper for reals dim sum

    this makes me sad

  113. China’s first “Supercarrier.”

  114. hi i’m julie your cruise director

  115. Engineering Titles: programmer OR developer OR engineering OR engineer OR test OR “product manager” OR architect
    Sales: sales OR account OR “business development” OR partner
    Marketing: marketing

    Shirley – 208-827-6359

    415-425-4376

    He and his ilk helped get a non-citizen Kenyan elected…

    Hahahaha. You kill me. You and Drum compete for dumbest one here.

    Your half white prez…

    Hahaha…

    My guess is that sometime in the next three years it will become difficult to find anyone who admits to being a Progressive in any location except Communist headquarters. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040633

    You keep forgetting how unpopular your team is.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/192835-poll-tea-party-favorability-hits-new-low

    Oops, there it is.

    I mean steve give us “straight answers” like ‘Obamacare is the only thing that prevents us all from fighting over organs in the streets’. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040633

    Not Obamacare specifically, but a government run transplant list. Yes. People wouldn’t actually fight for them in the streets. I suppose they’d bid for them. Show me an actual non-government system for organ transplants you prefer.

    ‘Only the safety net prevents mass starvation’.

    You usually only have starvation in countries without a safety net when there’s also a famine. But, if you’d ever get your ass out of the US, you’d find a lot of deformed children begging and slums made of scavenged materials.

    Your free market utopia and “charities will take care of it” looks a lot like this:

    http://fightslaverynow.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/deformedbeggar1.jpg?w=450&h=380

    ‘Raising tax rates always increases revenue.’

    See: Laffer Curve

    Higher premiums with much higher deductables are a great deal and the only way that 40 million people can have access to health care when more people have lost their insurance than got insurance since Obamacare started.’ – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040633

    Fat fucking lie. 5 yard penalty.

    http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-obamacare-success-20131125,0,1801769.story#axzz2nEmL3ZWz

    ‘Obamacare will be fine by March.’

    Time will tell.

    ‘States that don’t vote for democrats are dumbfuckistan’. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040633

    Wherever BigBangHunter lives is definitely dumbfuckistan. I mean he thinks Obama is a non-citizen kenyan, so you’d have to agree, right?

    There never was a separation of Parties. Both share a common interest: stay in power as the Ruling Class, keep those who are paying their freight to power in power, and only rock the boat enough to make it seem like there’s some significant difference between the two. Barky is far-Left idealistic enough that he’s rocking over the top, but he dares not really challenge his puppeteers. None of ‘em do.
    After today? the gloves must come off. We should never vote GOP again, unless the candidate is of the TEA.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040633

    You have exactly the right problem, and exactly the wrong solution.

  116. See: Laffer Curve

    Which part specifically?

  117. steve you have a lot of links

  118. Steve cares so much about deformed beggars in the third world that he’s here to harangue us about never getting outside of the U.S. to find out what free market utopias and charitable safety nets look like.

    Because that’s, you know, easier than actually working with deformed beggars in third world shitholes.

    And so much more sanitary too!

  119. “You keep forgetting how unpopular your team is.”

    You keep forgetting that the “unpopular” Ted Cruz is tied with Hillary! in Colorado.

    You keep forgetting that your Dear Leader’s margin was SMALLER in 2012 than it was in 2008, running against a knob like Romney. That never happens.

    You keep forgetting 5 million people losing their insurance in three weeks, joined by 100 million next year.

    2008 was your “team”‘s high-water mark, fascist. It’s all downhill from here on out.

  120. “See: Laffer Curve”

    See: “brutally ignorant of mathematics, along with every other subject”.

    Hint: that would be you, Slaphead.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate_value_theorem

    Dumbass.

  121. It’s download is complete and it’s transmitted it as instructed.

    *yawn*

  122. “Hahahaha. You kill me. You and Drum compete for dumbest one here.., ” said the dumbest one here with no apparent hint of self awareness.

    “See: Laffer Curve”

    That is not what the Laffer Curve shows steve. The problem is that I HAVE seen the Laffer curve and know who Art Laffer is, his background, and who he advised to lower taxes.

    “Hahaha…”

    This is a a very exciting comeback. Truly. Yup.

    “You keep forgetting how unpopular your team is. http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/192835-poll-tea-party-favorability-hits-new-low Oops, there it is.”

    No, oops THERE it is. Sorry steve.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/DC-Decoder/Decoder-Wire/2013/1211/Obama-disapproval-rating-hits-new-high.-What-s-driving-poll-numbers

    ” Fat fucking lie. 5 yard penalty.”

    Nope. Link was a lot of anecdotal bullshit dated Nov. 25 . Call reversed. Ref sent back for re-training. Whistle tossed in trash.

    ” Time will tell.”

    **If you like your plan you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Period. **
    **“We’re confident by the end of November, HealthCare.gov will be smooth for a vast majority of users**

    Uh huh.

    ‘Wherever BigBangHunter lives is definitely dumbfuckistan. I mean he thinks Obama is a non-citizen kenyan, so you’d have to agree, right? -”

    If you live on Oregon that’s probably dumfuckistan too. After all you think the Laffer curve means that revenue scales with tax rate, that without Obamacare we’d fight over organs in the street, that the welfare and EBT safety net is all that prevents mass starvation as proved by ten malnutrition deaths in NYC before the actual Stock market crash, and that an old opinion piece in the LA times with anecdotes about edge cases somehow proves that premiums and deductibles haven’t gone way up with Obamacare.

    ” You have exactly the right problem, and exactly the wrong solution, ” the doofus slurred, before tripping over a fact and head-butting the greasy beanbag chair the linoleum used to protect itself from all to frequent doofus falls.

  123. Obamacare’s “success” by the numbers.

    Just about 1.2 million people have gained health coverage through Obamacare, according to new federal data released Wednesday morning. Approximately 365,000 of those people have purchased private insurance and 803,000 have been determined to be eligible for the public Medicaid program. These numbers count data from both October and November, and show an especially quick growth in HealthCare.gov enrollment.

    (Washington Post, by way of Ace of Spades, by way of Jim Hoft)

  124. After all [Steve] think[s] the Laffer curve means that revenue scales with tax rate[.]

    In fairness, you do have to remember that Steve’s been conditioned to believe that all curves resemble hockey sticks.

  125. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp

    ” Definition of ‘Laffer Curve’

    Invented by Arthur Laffer, this curve shows the relationship between tax rates and tax revenue collected by governments. The chart below shows the Laffer Curve:

    http://i.investopedia.com/inv/dictionary/terms/laffercurve.gif

    Laffer Curve

    The curve suggests that, as taxes increase from low levels, tax revenue collected by the government also increases. It also shows that tax rates increasing after a certain point (T*) would cause people not to work as hard or not at all, thereby reducing tax revenue. Eventually, if tax rates reached 100% (the far right of the curve), then all people would choose not to work because everything they earned would go to the government.

    Governments would like to be at point T*, because it is the point at which the government collects maximum amount of tax revenue while people continue to work hard. ”

    The curve is highly simplified for teaching purposes, that illustrate the basic anatomy of a revenue gathering scheme. The actual curve may vary depending on conditions such as penalties for not paying taxes or taxpayer anger over other issues and external blows to economic activity, and may not be y-axis symmetrical nor is it a regular parabola. Also different populations within a greater population may have different curves. T sub A might differ from T sub B and tacking T for a group containing A and B weighted might give you a composite T that agrees with neither A nor B and thus is not predictive.

    Economists often present the curve with the independet variable as the y-axis and the x-axis as the dependent making it appear not to be simple function. This is because all economists, acting as a monolithic institutional “culture”, wish to torment the spirit of René Descartes, cause their old algebra teachers to hurt their necks, and simultaneously confuse ninth graders who pay attention to that sort of thing because they are probably icky nerds. This can be fixed by doing a silly putty transfer of the curve and then rotating it 90 degrees clockwise though the letters will be backwards on any labels. This is not a problem with T though T will be lying on it’s back like it is drunk.

    http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/06/the-laffer-curve-past-present-and-future

    Economists often present the curve with the indepent variable as the y-axis and the x-axis as the dependent making it appear not to be simple function. This is because all economists, acting as a monolithic institutional “culture”, wish to torment the spirit of René Descartes, cause their old algebra teachers to hurt their necks, and simultaneously confuse ninth graders who pay attention to that sort of thing because they are probably icky nerds.

    Tax rates over T bring in lower revenue.

  126. all to frequent -> all too frequent

  127. I predict Steve stopped or will stop reading at “The curve suggests that, as taxes increase from low levels, tax revenue collected by the government also increases.” to type his gotcha response to your outrageous attack on his sacred honor.

  128. http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2004/06/the-laffer-curve-past-present-and-future#sthash.eero07V4.dpuf

    “The Laffer Curve itself does not say whether a tax cut will raise or lower revenues. Revenue responses to a tax rate change will depend upon the tax system in place, the time period being considered, the ease of movement into underground activities, the level of tax rates already in place, the prevalence of legal and accounting-driven tax loopholes, and the proclivities of the productive factors. If the existing tax rate is too high–in the “prohibitive range” shown above–then a tax-rate cut would result in increased tax revenues. The economic effect of the tax cut would outweigh the arithmetic effect of the tax cut.
    Moving from total tax revenues to budgets, there is one expenditure effect in addition to the two effects that tax-rate changes have on revenues. Because tax cuts create an incentive to increase output, employment, and production, they also help balance the budget by reducing means-tested government expenditures. A faster-growing economy means lower unemployment and higher incomes, resulting in reduced unemployment benefits and other social welfare programs.

    Over the past 100 years, there have been three major periods of tax-rate cuts in the U.S.: the Harding-Coolidge cuts of the mid-1920s; the Kennedy cuts of the mid-1960s; and the Reagan cuts of the early 1980s. Each of these periods of tax cuts was remarkably successful as measured by virtually any public policy metric.”

    And this is Heritage steve, who briefly hosted the white paper that Romney based Romneycare on, which makes OBamacare totally OKAY to both sides of the aisle, so you KNOW it has to be good.

  129. A faster-growing economy means lower unemployment and higher incomes, resulting in reduced unemployment benefits and other social welfare programs.

    Shrink the social safety net?!?!?! WHAT THE FUCK kind of utopian free-market capitalist running dog stooge are you?!?!?

    Don’t you know it’s Christmas?

  130. How are we supposed to show that we’re good people who care if we don’t take money from some people in order to give it to other people, I ask you?

  131. Ernst Schreiber says December 12, 2013 at 12:31 am I predict Steve stopped or will stop reading at “The curve suggests that, as taxes increase from low levels, tax revenue collected by the government also increases.” to type his gotcha response to your outrageous attack on his sacred honor.

    Kind of difficult to attack that which does not exist.

  132. But he cares Patrick. Way more than you care. He cares about those poor, poor people without health insurance, that he’s down with creating 5 to 6 million more of them just to get 1.2 million enrolled.*

    Why don’t you care like that Patrick, hmmm?

    *According to the precepts of Marxism-Leninism, this is known as “breaking a few eggs in order to make an omelette.”

  133. The “so much so” that didn’t make it between “insurance,” and “that” means it’s past time to call it a day.

  134. Somebody around here, I don’t remember who, either talked about or linked to somebody talking about the penchant on the Left for cargo-cult thinking.

    That Laffer curve quip George Steve of the Jungle pulled out of his medicine pouch and waved at Palaeo whilst warding off his evil eye tends to show that he, whoever he was, really was on to something.

  135. ” You usually only have starvation in countries without a safety net when there’s also a famine. ”

    Nope. It usually happens in countries with a safety net, often an excessive one, who wish to subjugate or eliminate a “surplus” or recalcitrant population or simply to rob them of food in hard times while refusing to admit that there is a problem with policy (like giving farms to loyal thugs who don’t know how to farm well) that leads to the famine.

    It looks like THIS:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/02/05/the-cannibals-of-north-korea/

    And THIS:

    http://www.timeslive.co.za/thetimes/2013/09/04/zim-facing-famine-says-un-agency

  136. Why don’t you care like that Patrick, hmmm?

    Because it’s fake.

    Yeah, his kind breaks a lot of eggs and, IIR the retort correctly, no omelet ever results.

  137. Steven has no facts only assertions. He ignores facts that intrude on the zen of his dogma. Let’s not intrude on stevens zen and quit giving him uncomfortable facts.
    He isn’t ready for a socratic dialog on economics.

  138. Socrates himself wouldn’t have been ready for a socratic dialog on economics.

    And I’ll bust out the cite that proves it supports my subject changing contention if you challenge me!

  139. Unlike you fucktards, China isn’t actually looking for self immolation at this time

    Doesn’t surprise me that our in-house #OFA minder steve lauds China as his idea of success. Why, just think! A one-Party system, top-down control of every little thing ordinary minions do or say!

    stevie, OFA, all these new far-Left Democrats walk around with perpetual boners, considering what they could do only if they could eliminate all their opposition! Dump the constitution! Become as CHINA!

    But China is still a Communist country, steverrhoid. We are not. And, steve of OFA, we WILL fight your sorts to the bitter end to keep it this way. No one-Party State in your lifetime, nor will there be any TehWan ‘win’ where you’ll live happy and comfortable.

    Face it: your life, already shaken because of failshit economic mishandling by both Parties, is destined to become even more miserable, no matter what happens. Get used to it.

    You, my friend, deserve it more than most.

  140. Because it’s fake.

    You only say that because you insist on your objective results over his subjective intentions.

    He’s better’n you because in his system, any good that happens is the result of human design rather than divine providence

    In your system, it’s the other way around.

    The same holds for tragic outcomes as well. If it doesn’t work out according to plan in Steve-world, well, bad luck’n all. But you? You insist on blaming other people, and that’s just mean.

    Why can’t you love your fellow man like Ike Steve?

  141. There was supposed to be an “accident” after the superstruck “providence” hmmmm.

  142. Divine providence is never accidental.

  143. Divine providence, far from accidental.

  144. Only an understuffed bag of ever-degrading protoplasm like stevie would consider his life as being random, purposeless and accidental.

  145. Yeah, but admitting there’s such a thing really kills that Top. Men. buzz steve has going.

  146. Top Men shall be as Gods. Slappy knows this because he voted for Him.

    Top. Holy. Divine. Men.

    Men who can turn wine into sewage. Men who can feed the masses with pretendoloaves and vaporfishes. All you have to do is believe you’re not starving.

    Oh, Hey, Minor Detail: Almost Nobody’s Paid for their New Insurance Yet.

  147. Adam Smith, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, VI.II.42-43: The man whose public spirit is prompted altogether by humanity and benevolence, will respect the established powers and privileges even of individuals, and still more those of the great orders and societies, into which the state is divided. Though he should consider some of them as in some measure abusive, he will content himself with moderating, what he often cannot annihilate without great violence. When he cannot conquer the rooted prejudices of the people by reason and persuasion, he will not attempt to subdue them by force; but will religiously observe what, by Cicero, is justly called the divine maxim of Plato, never to use violence to his country no more than to his parents. He will accommodate, as well as he can, his public arrangements to the confirmed habits and prejudices of the people; and will remedy as well as he can, the inconveniencies which may flow from the want of those regulations which the people are averse to submit to. When he cannot establish the right, he will not disdain to ameliorate the wrong; but like Solon, when he cannot establish the best system of laws, he will endeavour to establish the best that the people can bear.

    The man of system, on the contrary, is apt to be very wise in his own conceit; and is often so enamoured with the supposed beauty of his own ideal plan of government, that he cannot suffer the smallest deviation from any part of it. He goes on to establish it completely and in all its parts, without any regard either to the great interests, or to the strong prejudices which may oppose it. He seems to imagine that he can arrange the different members of a great society with as much ease as the hand arranges the different pieces upon a chess-board. He does not consider that the pieces upon the chess-board have no other principle of motion besides that which the hand impresses upon them; but that, in the great chess-board of human society, every single piece has a principle of motion of its own, altogether different from that which the legislature might chuse to impress upon it. If those two principles coincide and act in the same direction, the game of human society will go on easily and harmoniously, and is very likely to be happy and successful. If they are opposite or different, the game will go on miserably, and the society must be at all times in the highest degree of disorder.

  148. Tax rates over T bring in lower revenue.

    Obviously. Are we at T? No. The Bush tax cuts decreased revenue. The modest Obama tax hikes have increased revenue. We’re no where near the point that people would rather not make more because taxes are too high.

    NOTE: – I don’t want a tax hike (except maybe for the wealthy) because the biggest problem is economic growth and increasing taxes (all things else being equal) shrinks the economy. As does cutting spending.

  149. Somebody around here, I don’t remember who, either talked about or linked to somebody talking about the penchant on the Left for cargo-cult thinking.

    It’s happened a number of times, Rob Crawford in 2009, both myself and palaeomerus this year. They keep throwing up things that make the comparison quite obvious to everyone except themselves. They just keep lighting more torches and waiting for “da plane” which never comes.

  150. Since those tax cuts occurred in a vacuum we can definitely say that the Bush tax cuts decreased revenue. Well done Steve.

    I guess that Steve won’t be here in March, when the shit is truly hitting the fan. We’ve seen these trolls come and go. They never last long enough to be forced to eat their words. They just go away.

    This one will too.

  151. “We’re no where near the point that people would rather not make more because taxes are too high. -”

    Bullshit!

  152. “No. The Bush tax cuts decreased revenue. The modest Obama tax hikes have increased revenue. ”

    Wrong on both!

  153. “And I’ll bust out the cite that proves it supports my subject changing contention if you challenge me! ”

    You mean you also have an LA Times opinion blog article, loaded in the chamber and ready to fire, about four anecdotal edge cases (uninsurable) that seemingly benefit from Obamacare that are passed off as typical and somehow supposedly diminishes all the people who just REALLY had their insurance canceled and must now spend more for less because Obamacare says the original coverage sucked?

  154. ““No. The Bush tax cuts decreased revenue. The modest Obama tax hikes have increased revenue. ”

    Obama even said that ending the Bush tax cuts was about the fairness and not revenue, AND congress avoided doing it because they feared the effect it would have on the “recovery” that never really recovered except through money printing and adjusting metrics (or in the case of unemployment, sometimes falsifying them) .

  155. I don’t recognize much of my country anymore. Alien, & populated by hostile aliens. Those of you with long associations with this board will remember me- and my Dead Miss Emily- signing on during the Frisch affair. My nick was backhoe. I think….

  156. The Bush tax cuts decreased revenue.

    That’s bullshit, liebot.

  157. hellomynameissteve says December 12, 2013 at 8:59 am
    Tax rates over T bring in lower revenue.
    Obviously. Are we at T? No. The Bush tax cuts decreased revenue. The modest Obama tax hikes have increased revenue. We’re no where near the point that people would rather not make more because taxes are too high.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Indeed. People would actually have to have jobs to do that. But overall an increase in taxes is a decrease in revenue. There is a point where it is no longer profitable or enjoyable to engage in that activity when the tax is increased.As an example-I don’t deal in assertions- is the Cook County Illinois tax on cigarettes. Cigarette tax revenue has consistently gone down with each tax increase. Every time the city of Chicago raises property taxes the city loses a number of residents. The State of Illinois increased corporate taxes. Businesses are leaving Illinois. Office depot being the latest.
    When certain behaviors a punished by a tax, people avoid that behavior. That includes work.

  158. ‘According to the precepts of Marxism-Leninism, this is known as “breaking a few eggs in order to make an omelette.”’

    Minor point: that one is usually attributed to proto-leftist Robespierre, long before Marx. Just as bloodthirsty, though.

  159. The Bush tax cuts decreased revenue.

    The Kennedy, Reagan and Bush tax cuts increased federal revenues.

    7.5% 6.5% and 6.2 % respectively.

    Steven. Do you have any, you know, facts?

  160. Engineering Titles: programmer OR developer OR engineering OR engineer OR test OR “product manager” OR architect Sales: sales OR account OR “business development” OR partner Marketing:
    marketing

    The fuck is this? A job listing on Monster? Is this steve’s job(s) description? If so, he’s working out of his dining room.

    Remember: Engineering is for those who can’t do Physics. No offense to our brilliant PW engineers who are leaders of the pack and thus exceptional. That number excludes steve.

  161. You all have probably seen accounts of Boehner’s latest outburst against conservatives opposed to his budget deal. He spouts along these lines **How can they criticize something they have not even seen?** and that therefore, because they have critical views in opposition to Boehner’s favorite without in his view having seen what is in his favorite, “they have lost all credibility”.

    Wow.

    So, we might just care a moment to ask: How come no-one has seen what will govern spending, except for insiders acceptable to John Boehner? Is that the meaning of a representative Republic, devoted to deliberation in its lawmaking? Why wouldn’t everyone have had access to the law as it developed, and know precisely what is in it? How could it come to pass that John Boehner thinks it perfectly reasonable that potential critics of a law should rightfully be in the dark about what the law contains?

    Again, who loses credibility here?

  162. Engineering is for those who can’t do Physics.

    Reminds me of David Hilbert’s comment on the sloppy math he saw physicists doing:

    “Physics is too hard for physicists.”

  163. Math is too hard for most majors.

  164. “And I’ll bust out the cite that proves it supports my subject changing contention if you challenge me! ”
    You mean you also have an LA Times opinion blog article, loaded in the chamber and ready to fire[?]

    What do you take me for, a wop who brings a knife to a gunfight?

    I’ve got a Howdah pistol!

  165. “Engineering is for those who can’t do Physics.”

    Well…a decent handle on statics, fluid and rigid body dynamics, simple biomechanics, and materials science helps a bit.

  166. Minor point: that one is usually attributed to proto-leftist Robespierre, long before Marx. Just as bloodthirsty, though.

    I’d accept the correction if it wasn’t for the fact that we all know that there is no “before Marx” in the book of Marxism-Leninism.

  167. NOTE: – I don’t want a tax hike (except maybe for the wealthy) because the biggest problem is economic growth and increasing taxes (all things else being equal) shrinks the economy. As does cutting spending.

    Too bad we tax income instead of wealth then.

    Or is it?

    Just out of idle curiousity, and shits-n-giggles, of course, what annual income in your estimation would qualify one for entry into The Wealthy?

  168. Why do mooks like steve always want to tax the wealthy? Half of the country doesn’t pay ANY taxes, if seems to me they aren’t doing their fair share or even trying. Let’s tax the job creators instead. Oookay then.

  169. palaeomerus says December 12, 2013 at 12:46 pm
    “Engineering is for those who can’t do Physics.”
    Well…a decent handle on statics, fluid and rigid body dynamics, simple biomechanics, and materials science helps a bit.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    I’m kinda chuffed. My nephew, who hasn’t yet graduated with his degree in mechanical engineering yet, is being fast-tracked for U of I’s phd program for fluid dynamics.

  170. That’s kind of where I was coming from, Mueller. My son has a his future mapped out: Math/Physics major for undergrad. With Astro-Physics Phd program at Berkeley to follow.

    Would that I was so prepared at seventeen.

  171. The fuck is this? A job listing on Monster? Is this steve’s job(s) description? If so, he’s working out of his dining room.

    If Monster job listings look like that, it would do much to explain some of Monster’s job opening suggestions for me. If you put all of the possible job listings on Monster randomly on a dartboard and threw blindfolded, you couldn’t hope for more bizarrely irrelevant matches.

    Remember: Engineering is for those who can’t do Physics.

    I would have said: can’t do physics without resorting to obvious simplifying approximations. But agreed, mostly.

    No offense to our brilliant PW engineers who are leaders of the pack and thus exceptional. That number excludes steve.

    Thanks, I think, but I don’t think steve is an engineer. His cause/effect attribution is reversed more often than not, and he can’t seem to complete the observation that this here blog commentariat is composed of people who, although largely of conservative and/or libertarian bent, aren’t highly enamored of the GOP.

    I would take him more for a finance type. Maybe enough accounting so that he vaguely understands how it works, but not so much that he appreciates the mercilessness of the bottom line.

    Or possibly an art major who has had some exposure to finance.

  172. phd program for fluid dynamics

    I have had, at times, my fill of fluids lab.

  173. Nah, Slatri. steve is no engineer, he merely fancies himself an architect.

    Like Karl Rove.

    Heh.

  174. So there was a signing impostor standing next to an executive impostor, and which one is the media concerned with?

    Of course!: the one whose pretense makes no difference to anyone in the world. Certainly not with the one whose pretense ruins millions of lives around the globe.

  175. But overall an increase in taxes is a decrease in revenue. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    That’s true for very high tax rates, but false for the income tax rates that anyone is currently paying.

    Why do mooks like steve always want to tax the wealthy? Half of the country doesn’t pay ANY taxes, if seems to me they aren’t doing their fair share or even trying. Let’s tax the job creators instead. Oookay then. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Because people don’t create lots of jobs just because they’re rich. Mitt Romney doesn’t eat out 3,000 times per month. Middle class consumption drives the economy. A shrinking middle class and more income inequality isn’t going to lead to more jobs, it’s going to lead to less.

    Why would you raise taxes on someone who’s middle class and paying an effective rate of 28% when Mitt Romney is paying an effective rate of 15%?

  176. You usually only have starvation in countries without a safety net when there’s also a famine. But, if you’d ever get your ass out of the US, you’d find a lot of deformed children begging and slums made of scavenged materials

    Would you care to guess where you can find the world’s cheapest food? I mean, on the order of a few cents per kilo of rice?

    Somalia. Because so many countries have donated food to help the “starving” that it is almost moldering in the streets.

    You know why people are still starving? Because anyone that has money to buy food runs into the guys with guns that take the money, and any food they might have managed to buy in the meantime. Those countries on the interior that have food shipped in by the railroad-car-ful? Each and every one of them is in a state of civil unrest and people slaughtering each other over racial and tribal affiliations.

    It isn’t the lack of food (most of which is stolen by the people with the guns), it is the lack of law and order and stability of culture and government.

    Oh, and as for that liar who claims Obama is from Kenya?

    http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm

    Can’t imagine where they got the idea, way back when he wasn’t even yet a US Senator…

  177. Why would you raise taxes on someone who’s middle class and paying an effective rate of 28% when Mitt Romney is paying an effective rate of 15%?

    So we’ll put DV in the “cut all taxes to 15% or less” team. (And why should Mitt pay taxes on money that has already been taxed at least three times?)

  178. It’s easy to raise taxes on the middle class, like this new user fee. Difficulty to raise them on the super rich.

    That’s why inequality has risen so much during Obama.

    Drive by facts, I only had time to read Drumwaster’s last comment.

  179. steve, we have discussed many times your inability to understand tax schedules. Frankly, you are thick and I am not going to explain investment income versus payroll taxes with you again.

    The poor have more disposable income than does the middle class. And the receive an EITC that no one else receives. In America it pays more to be poor.

  180. Why would you raise taxes on someone who’s middle class and paying an effective rate of 28% when Mitt Romney is paying an effective rate of 15%?

    - Good question Steve-dolt. why don’t you go ask Obama why he did that?

  181. - Anyone with a few working brain cells knows this gestoppo and jug ears is systematically destroying the middle class, or in the case of public unions, moving as many middle class as possible under the governments thumb where they can be marginalized and easily controlled.

    - Apparently Steve-dolt lacks even a few working brain cells.

    - But then again, as Danger has pointed out on numerous occassions, when you get direct responses from a troll you know you must be over the target.

  182. - Oh and Steve-dolt, apparently you think Jug ears is an idiot himself, since he describes himself as a “Kenyan prince” to everyone, right up until that became a problem with getting elected to the Senate.

    - The truth in Steve-dolts world is opportunity/convienience based.

  183. I still want to see Der Wahn’s grades from Occidental and Columbia (Harvard not so much since you have to totally fuck up to get a B there). I want read his essays about why these schools needed him and what he had to offer.

    I’d also like to know how many times he took the Bar Exam and what he passed with. It took John-John three tries and he barely cleared it on the third attempt. Student IDs would be good too. Financial Aid apps, too. OR, if he had an angel who paid for his education (*cough* Bill Ayers dad *cough*), notes to that effect.

    Inquiring minds, et cetera.

  184. That’s [i.e. rate increases lead to revenue losses] true for very high tax rates, but false for the income tax rates that anyone is currently paying.

    I personally don’t give a rip if you could demonstrate that the mathematical sweet spot for tax rates is somewhere between 48.5625. and 51.3125% of income. No government has the right to that big a chunk of anyone’s property.

  185. It’s interesting that the typical progressive’s response to a budget deficit is to raise taxes (whether or not it actually results in greater revenue, which is by no means a given), rather than cutting back spending, which is what every other person, business and corporation on the planet has to do, but not the government.

    Because JUSTICE*

    * — who, being blindfolded, cannot tell that she has had her purse and jewelry stolen.

  186. OT: Kim Jong Un has uncle whacked.

  187. Because JUSTICE

    Yes. It’s by now well established that leftists of every kind confuse justice with the exercise of power.

  188. Why engage with hellomynameisLegion? You know he is poorly informed, willfully dishonest and arguing in bad faith — and he doesn’t even do it particularly well! He fits the mold of that particular sort of advocate who embarrasses the serious proponents of whatever side he is on.

    Leigh, I have to disagree about engineering and physics. Most engineering is merely applied physics and most physics is just applied math. Yes, I am a mathemetician by training, but consider myself more of an engineer. The particle and high energy folks are pretty good at respecting both the theoretical physicists and the experimental physicists (more classically known as engineers) and each knows they need the other to move forward.

  189. I certainly feel better not responding directly to he who shall be ignored

  190. Because people don’t create lots of jobs just because they’re rich.

    Not the sole reason, no, But they do go hand in hand. Clinton 50% tax on luxury boats devastated the whole boat market. A lot of people were put out of work. While those people did not directly work for the wealthy, the wealthy kept them employed.

    Mitt Romney doesn’t eat out 3,000 times per month. Middle class consumption drives the economy. A shrinking middle class and more income inequality isn’t going to lead to more jobs, it’s going to lead to less.

    Income inequality is a function of your choices. Not those of wealthy people. Wealth creation is not a zero sum game. However a shrinking middle class, as we have seen, is a direct result of government policies.

    Why would you raise taxes on someone who’s middle class and paying an effective rate of 28%

    which is essentially what the ACA does. Go on.

    when Mitt Romney is paying an effective rate of 15%?

    Apples and submarines. If I made enough I’d incorporate too and get a lower tax rate. If you are concerned about the imbalance talk to congress.

    Are you sure you’re self employed?
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Anything else I can help you with?

  191. “Despicable human scum Jang, who was worse than a dog, perpetrated thrice-cursed acts of treachery in betrayal of such profound trust and warmest paternal love shown by the party and the leader for him,”

    wow, that almost reads like something from MSNBC

  192. mueller It seems to me that unless “rich people” are hiding their cash in a mattress, the money is in some institution that is using the cash for investments. The money is “working”.

  193. Oh, and as for that liar who claims Obama is from Kenya? http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060 – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040840

    You’re a birther and you want to be taken seriously. Like I said, you and little banger compete for dumbest member on this site.

    And what the fuck does Somolia have to do with anything? Countries without a safety net, child beggars, and slums, include places like China, India, Mexico, and Brazil.

    It’s easy to raise taxes on the middle class, like this new user fee. Difficulty to raise them on the super rich. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040840

    Capital gains and income. Not really *that* hard.

    Oh and Steve-dolt, apparently you think Jug ears is an idiot himself, since he describes himself as a “Kenyan prince” to everyone, right up until that became a problem with getting elected to the Senate. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040840

    Of course. Every Kenyan Prince has a hawaiian birth certificate and birth announcement in the local newspaper. It is known.

    I still want to see Der Wahn’s grades from Occidental and Columbia (Harvard not so much since you have to totally fuck up to get a B there). I want read his essays about why these schools needed him and what he had to offer.
    I’d also like to know how many times he took the Bar Exam and what he passed with. It took John-John three tries and he barely cleared it on the third attempt. Student IDs would be good too. Financial Aid apps, too. OR, if he had an angel who paid for his education (*cough* Bill Ayers dad *cough*), notes to that effect.
    Inquiring minds, et cetera.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040840

    Lets see all that shit for whatever asshat y’all nominate for the next go around. Oh, and their tax returns too.

    No government has the right to that big a chunk of anyone’s property. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040840

    Of course they do.

  194. >Oh, and their tax returns too.<

    where be baracky's transcripts slappy?

  195. You’re a birther and you want to be taken seriously.

    You’re a liar, and expect the same… (By the way, I am NOT a “birther”, I merely pointed out that the one who gave the world the news that Obama was born in Kenya is currently living in the White House.)

    Who gave that newspaper the “Kenyan-born” datum? Remember that this story was long before anyone had ever heard of him on the national stage.

    And what the fuck does Somolia have to do with anything? Countries without a safety net, child beggars, and slums, include places like China, India, Mexico, and Brazil.

    Those goalposts getting heavy?

    Oh, right, you don’t acknowledge those facts that disprove your bullshit, got it.

    Every Kenyan Prince has a hawaiian birth certificate and birth announcement in the local newspaper.

    So Obama was a serial liar even as a teenager. Wouldn’t it have been nice to know that he was a liar before letting him obtain power? No, we need to audit the fuck out of Joe the plumber, and cancer patients who go public about their insurance cancellations.

    With your track record of lying, I’d expect you to be a politician.

    Lets see all that shit for whatever asshat y’all nominate for the next go around. Oh, and their tax returns too.

    Mitt managed to release those documents (that Harry Reid said didn’t exist). Your turn, DV.

  196. Of course they do.

    No they don’t. Why do you hate balanced budgets, Dog Vomit?

  197. Remember that this story was long before anyone had ever heard of him on the national stage.

    To put a stop to the “he gave a speech at the DNC that year” claim I already know you have ready, let me remind you that when that news story ran, the DNC was still several weeks in the future.

    So don’t even try. Just answer the question. Who gave them that information?

  198. charlesaustin, I’m just ribbing you guys. I’m all statistics and no cattle as far as engineering or physics goes.

    Pay no attention to that psychologist in the corner. ; )

  199. Lets see all that shit for whatever asshat y’all nominate for the next go around. Oh, and their tax returns too.

    No sweat. Our guys always show their hands on that stuff. And their medical records, too Barrack.

  200. Most candidates don’t need to show their college records and other stuff mentioned above because they have track records in the real world to judge them by.

  201. No government has the right to that big a chunk of anyone’s property. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040840
    Of course they do.

    Nice extra kidney and surplus pint of blood you got there….

    How many rooms you got in that McMansion of yours, and are you utilizing them as well as somebody else could utilize them for you?

  202. Here’s the thing about Obama and the way he lies.

    The smarmy asshole went on the Tonight Show shortly after the 2008 election and joked about lying to his daughters.

  203. Oh, but that couldn’t possibly happen, Ernst. Whereas, people slugging it out in the gutters for a kidney? HISTORICAL FACT.

    Look it up.

    {/DV}

  204. some doctors cut good stuff out sometimes for money baracky tells me

  205. No government has the right to that big a chunk of anyone’s property. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040840

    Of course they do.

    Said the grocery clerk’s errand boy’s slave’s bitch.

    How much does the government have a right to? Under what circumstances or conditions? And by what legitimate authority?

    Answer or be gone.

  206. Seriously, is anything that you consider yours really yours, or do you just possess it as a benefice from your betters (whomever they happen to be), so long, that is, as they suffer you to possess it?

    Or are you one of those who never have bothered to think about these things?

    (Just as it was predicted, incidently.)

  207. “Capital gains and income. Not really *that* hard.”

    Discourages investment.

  208. Like he gives a shit about investment. Jobs exist to provide people a paycheck so the middle class can consume.

    Everything else is just greed hurting a people in need.

    Or some such nonsense.

  209. You’re welcome, Steven.
    Please don’t hesitate to ask if you have any more question.
    it’s what I’m here for

  210. palaeomerus says December 12, 2013 at 5:45 pm
    “Capital gains and income. Not really *that* hard.”
    Discourages investment.
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    Exactly.
    The higher the tax on investments the less investments are made. Capital mobility is essential for economic growth.

  211. Capital gains and income. Not really *that* hard [i.e. to tax the super-rich]

    Think again, idiot. The super-rich pay exactly as much or as little tax as they feel like paying and no more. And there’s not a damn thing the government can do about it short of confiscation. And that can only be done once.

  212. How much does the government have a right to? Under what circumstances or conditions? And by what legitimate authority?
    Answer or be gone.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040869

    The government, of course, get’s it’s “legitimate authority” from the people. The whole nation could vote in only tea party approved politicians if they so chose, but they have not (and will not). I’d turn the question back to you. What limit is there on taxation other than what the people will support through those they choose to elect? Where do you think there’s some existential limit – other than a population only wanting to be taxed so much?

    Answer or be gone.

    Seriously, is anything that you consider yours really yours, or do you just possess it as a benefice from your betters (whomever they happen to be), so long, that is, as they suffer you to possess it? – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040869

    I have lots of things. I just don’t mind paying my fair share. I don’t somehow expect the government to provide a military, safeguard water and air, ensure drugs are effective and safe, provide healthcare for the elderly and poor, all for free. I’d rather more be done at the state level, but I expect government to do quite a bit, so I expect to pay quite a bit.

    Why do you find this so hard to understand? Where do you draw the line between what’s yours and what you owe? Do you think you owe nothing?

    Think again, idiot. The super-rich pay exactly as much or as little tax as they feel like paying and no more. And there’s not a damn thing the government can do about it short of confiscation. And that can only be done once. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040869

    It’s interesting the battles you think are worth fighting and the ones where you rule, “That’s just the way it is, son.”

  213. I don’t somehow expect the government to provide a military, safeguard water and air, ensure drugs are effective and safe, provide healthcare for the elderly and poor, all for free.

    Funny, most of the leeches on your “team” seem to expect that. Plus rent, food, medical care (which is distinct from health insurance), a phone, and anything else that some liar promised them. They’re all “rights”, donchaknow?

    I’d rather more be done at the state level, but I expect government to do quite a bit, so I expect to pay quite a bit.

    Then why aren’t you? Why aren’t you sending in even more than what the government demands at gunpoint? Amazing how those who always demand higher taxes never bother to send in those voluntary contributions…

    Except that I already knew they are all hypocrites and liars, so not really…

  214. Did you forge those chains yourself, slappy or did they give them to you at HQ?

  215. I don’t somehow expect the government to provide a military, safeguard water and air, ensure drugs are effective and safe, provide healthcare for the elderly and poor, all for free.

    Those of us who still believe in the Constitution don’t expect the government to “ensure drugs are effective and safe, {or} provide healthcare for the elderly and poor” at all. Go try reading the Constitution for once, rather than misreading the comments here.

    You CAN read, can’t you? Or is it that you have someone reading to you? Someone who specializes in writing instruction manuals for IKEA furniture and Korean DVD players?

  216. Funny, most of the leeches on your “team” seem to expect that. Plus rent, food, medical care (which is distinct from health insurance), a phone, and anything else that some liar promised them. They’re all “rights”, donchaknow? – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040964

    Yawn.

    Then why aren’t you? Why aren’t you sending in even more than what the government demands at gunpoint? Amazing how those who always demand higher taxes never bother to send in those voluntary contributions – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040964

    Because it does absolutely nothing. It would be like saying that because you supported the Iraq war, you should have volunteered to go fight in it. Did you, BTW?

  217. Yawn.

    Nice rejoinder to the economic destruction being done to the country by your “team”.

    Because it does absolutely nothing.

    How do you know? You won’t pay more than you have to, and yet you insist others be forced at gunpoint to pay more. Does the word “consistency” appear in your version of the dictionary?

    It would be like saying that because you supported the Iraq war, you should have volunteered to go fight in it. Did you, BTW?

    I was in the first one. Were you out there being a human shield for Saddam’s torture rooms?

  218. Tell you what, Slaphead: let me know when the Democrats enact a wealth tax (not an income tax). You know, one that would apply to Soros, the Heinz-Kerrys, the Kennedys, the…

    Your “team” is made up of billionaires who have somehow conned you into thinking they want to raise taxes on the rich.

    They raise taxes on pediatricians and hardware store owners. Not the rich.

  219. What limit is there on taxation other than what the people will support through those they choose to elect?

    There’s no limits, because those who are voting Democratic are low-character no-morals scum who are enticed to vote ‘in their best interest’ over the sustaining interest of our shared Republic.

    We have an overpopulated nation full of human debris and scum (let’s term them ‘Democratic Party Voters’ for short) who lack good character and the moral backbone it takes to realize that, when they accept goods and services they haven’t earned and don’t deserve, they should feel a modicum of shame and regret, and do their damndest to get off the ‘safety net’.

    Instead, they feel ‘entitled’ to take as much as they can, and will vote for Democrat representatives because they too are scumcrats who’ve promised their scumrats more of the same..for their votes, so they can stay in power..

    The ‘social safety net’ is now a vote dragnet for the scum who run the Democratic party.

    Easy living on the back of future generations, these no-character human misfits, and without even a hint of shame: that’s the essence of today’s Democrats. And these social programs, vote-attractors, are not sustainable, no matter how much you ask working class people who do have character and moral fiber to ante up.

    I can’t wait until the gloves come off.

  220. Well, what do you know? I was gone. But now that I’m back, where to begin?

    The government, of course, get’s it’s “legitimate authority” from the people.

    That’s not really an answer, unless you happen to think there’s nothing that the people can’t legitimately and with justice authorize either for themselves or for the government to do on their behalf. Like say for example aiding 51% of the populace to torture, maim, rape, murder and consume the other 49%.

    What limit is there on taxation other than what the people will support through those they choose to elect? Where do you think there’s some existential limit?

    Yeah, somewhere between the point where other people reap more of the fruits of your industry than you get to, and the point where other people feel like their entitled to reap you.

    I don’t somehow expect the government to provide a military, safeguard water and air, ensure drugs are effective and safe, provide healthcare for the elderly and poor, all for free.

    I’m not talking about free, and I’m not even talking about taxes per se. I’m talking about the government providing for the elderly and poor by domiciling them with you, testing drugs on your children, and making sure food and water are safe by poisoning your dog. All of which you seem fine with, so long as the democratic formalities are observed. And if it’s literally your neighbors voting to help themselves to your things, why then, so much the better! Wait until they get to your person.

    Why do you find this so hard to understand? Where do you draw the line between what’s yours and what you owe? Do you think you owe nothing?</blockquote.

    That line gets drawn at the place where you and yours try to make me and mine slaves to them and theirs. Do you think other people don't owe it to the rest of us to not be wastrels?

    It’s interesting the battles you think are worth fighting and the ones where you rule, “That’s just the way it is, son.”

    The feeling’s mutual. There’s an entire literatary corpus devoted to that particular subject. But I won’t waste my time calling your attention (such as it is) to it.

  221. Why do you find this so hard to understand? Where do you draw the line between what’s yours and what you owe? Do you think you owe nothing?

    That line gets drawn at the place where you and yours try to make me and mine slaves to them and theirs. Do you think other people don’t owe it to the rest of us to not be wastrels?

    It’s interesting the battles you think are worth fighting and the ones where you rule, “That’s just the way it is, son.”

    The feeling’s mutual. I’m endlessly fascinated by the way you and those like you think that with just a little more money here, a lot more applied social engineering there, a few more managerial elites in the right places, a dash of leadership and voila! changed human nature and paradise on earth. And all that despite the mountains of corpses proclaiming the opposite.

    There’s an entire literatary corpus devoted to that particular subject. But I won’t waste my time calling your attention (such as it is) to it.

    corrected and revised

  222. The government, of course, get’s it’s “legitimate authority” from the people.

    That’s not really an answer, unless you happen to think there’s nothing that the people can’t legitimately and with justice authorize either for themselves or for the government to do on their behalf. Like say for example aiding 51% of the populace to torture, maim, rape, murder and consume the other 49%.
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040980

    It’s a good thing that people are basically decent. Where do you think all those systems of justice came from? “We” (meaning your colleagues in humanity) invented them. You seem to think there’s some existential protection against 51% of society turning to “torture, maim, rape, murder”. But the protection against that is 99% of the find those things abhorrent. If people had the instincts of leopards – solitary and violent – we’d live in a very different world.

    I’m not talking about free, and I’m not even talking about taxes per se. I’m talking about the government providing for the elderly and poor by domiciling them with you, testing drugs on your children, and making sure food and water are safe by poisoning your dog. All of which you seem fine with, so long as the democratic formalities are observed. And if it’s literally your neighbors voting to help themselves to your things, why then, so much the better! Wait until they get to your person. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040980

    You might want to check if you just had a stroke, that makes no sense.

    That line gets drawn at the place where you and yours try to make me and mine slaves to them and theirs. Do you think other people don’t owe it to the rest of us to not be wastrels? – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040980

    I pay more taxes than you, remember.

    And if there’s 5 million jobs and 20 million people looking for work, you better start 15 million wastrels.

    The feeling’s mutual. I’m endlessly fascinated by the way you and those like you think that with just a little more money here, a lot more applied social engineering there, a few more managerial elites in the right places, a dash of leadership and voila! changed human nature and paradise on earth. And all that despite the mountains of corpses proclaiming the opposite. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comment-1040980

    And I’m endlessly fascinated by they way you think if you just get rid of all regulations you end up with anything other than peasants and aristocrats, with about a 90/10 split. Unless you have an actual example of where it works different?

  223. And if there’s 5 million jobs and 20 million people looking for work, you better start hiring 15 million wastrels.

  224. I’m endlessly fascinated by the way you and those like you think that with just a little more …………….

    Nah, they just use the old BAMN – BAMN – BAMN, fully automatic, high capacity, mendacity.

  225. And if there’s 5 million jobs and 20 million people looking for work, you better start hiring 15 million wastrels.

    Good thing those 15 million are just stealing from your pocket. I mean, since the jobs have evaporated since Dear Leader took over, civilian participation is at the lowest rates since Jimmy the Rabbit-Killer was in the Oval Office, talking up his new Misery Index.

    Unless you have an actual example of where it works different?

    You mean like the US in the 1950s? Capitalism isn’t an ideology, it’s what people do when the government leaves them alone. And it’s nice that you ignore the mountains of corpses your methods ALWAYS produce. Unless you have an actual example of where it works different?

    Just one. Anywhere in history. Take your time.

  226. And if there’s 5 million jobs and 20 million people looking for work, you better start hiring 15 million wastrels.

    - There are at present 48+ million on some form of public assistance and at least 97 million either out of work and or so severly under-employed they are also on some form of public assistance. The true number is, at a minimum, 13.9%, and amoung black youth it approches 75%. In other words Bumblefuck has been a total disaster to his own fawning base.

    - Steve-Oh you are a fucking moron.

  227. There are at present 48+ million on some form of public assistance and at least 97 million either out of work and or so severly under-employed they are also on some form of public assistance. The true number is, at a minimum, 13.9%, and amoung black youth it approches 75%. In other words Bumblefuck has been a total disaster to his own fawning base.

    I’ve got an idea! Let’s follow SCOAMF’s latest attempt at distraction from the failure of 404Care and make hiring people more expensive for every company in the country! That will make things hunky-dory! (Except for the people who have their hours cut and everyone who will be paying higher prices on everything from groceries to luxuries, I mean, but who gives a shit about them, right, DV?)

  228. Man, steve’s responses just get dumber and more clueless. He literally doesn’t understand anything he’s making hilarious pronouncements on. But he keeps bringing the dumb like it’s worth something to fill out some random bullshit under each “question” What a fat headed dope.

  229. Top. Men.

    Obama’s Afghanistan experts stumped on U.S. death toll, war costs during hearing

    Best of hands, ladies and gents. The very best of hands.

  230. What limit is there on taxation other than what the people will support through those they choose to elect?

    And this is the very same jackass who was just opining on the Laffer curve. Unless I missed shift change, that is.

  231. But he keeps bringing the dumb like it’s worth something to fill out some random bullshit under each “question” What a fat headed dope.

    “I can’t be broke. I still have checks!”

  232. And I’m endlessly fascinated by they way you think if you just get rid of all regulations you end up with anything other than peasants and aristocrats, with about a 90/10 split. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    To understand what I’m going to say next you’re going to have to know what a market is in it’s basic sense.
    Those industries without regulations have had the fastest growth. Computers for example and software.For those industries with regulations, the regulations are usually written by the biggest players to stifle competition. ie; The two biggest airlines wrote the regulations for the FAA.
    I could tell you horror stories about how the EPA regulates industries, but I don’t think you’d be inclined to believe me.
    I’m always fascinated by people like you who have absolute faith that what the government does is somehow nobler than what private citizens do.

    Please feel free to contact me if you have any other questions.
    take care.

  233. You might want to check if you just had a stroke, that makes no sense.

    I can see why a small-minded person such as yourself would have trouble with that.

    The sense it makes is that if you’re prepared to accept that other people can vote to help themselves to as much of your income as they need or want or think they can get away with, and that’s okay because they voted, then there’s nothing of yours that they can’t vote to help themselves to. Because nothing of yours is really yours except on the sufferance of others, and that includes your person.

  234. Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for lunch. Freedom is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.

  235. Well, in this case, the sheep can’t imagine why the wolves would want to eat them when he has so much wool to share.

  236. I pay more taxes than you, remember

    Say, where are those tax returns you promised to show RI Red if he showed you his?

    It was all a lot of high talk on your part, steve. Just as we all expected.

  237. Leigh, I’ll go to bat for steve on that. (OMFG, did I just type that?). He did disclose a couple of weeks back. I, in turn, sent Jeff my stuff, which steve is free to examine. All he needs to do is send Jeff an email address.
    Having said that, I will correct steve from a comment he made earlier. He does not pay more in taxes than I do.
    And I really think people voting to take more of my labor at possible gunpoint is getting tiresome. The Laffer curve indicates the effect of taxation on revenue. The RI Red curve indicates the point at which things go outlaw.

  238. With all due respect, Red I think this, “I pay more taxes than you” ,is a little childish.

  239. Red, I have always found you trustworthy, so I’ll let that issue go for now. Until he brings it up again since anyone can say “Yeah! I’m a gazillionaire, nah!” on the interwebs.

    As for taxation in itself, I’ve wasted valuable time arguing with the not too sharp at the ill-named “Reason” magazine about why taxation is theft. So, yes: Outlaw! indeed.

  240. Mitt Romney doesn’t eat out 3,000 times per month.

    It’s common knowledge that multimillionaires either stuff their money in a mattress, or take the fam out for dinner. There aren’t any other things they might be doing with it, like investing, or like starting a new business, and the like. It’s either meals out or (ok, maybe this) converting it all to gold coins and having it in a room where they can just roll around in it.

  241. Multimillionaires often sign bonus checks and do a lot of charitable giving this time of year, but what of it, eh? It’s all for show and to assuage their guilty consciences. Everybody knows that. Then they adjourn to their vaults to count their gold and order new spats and monocles.

  242. “Mitt Romney doesn’t eat out 3,000 times per month.”

    No, but I sure d*urrrrrp*

  243. Multimillionaires often sign bonus checks and do a lot of charitable giving this time of year

    I cry bullshit.

    Also, the peak of the Laffer curve is some number range that I pulled fresh out of my asshole. And it’s true!

    This happens to me a lot.

  244. Those people leaving the “Tips for Jesus” at chain restaurants? I’ll bet those are rich bastards who are only doing that to fuck over the recipient’s 1040-EZ form.

    They get a secret chuckle out of it. The monsters.

  245. “Mitt Romney doesn’t eat out 3,000 times per month.”

    Unless he personally grows his own food with no outside labor which he would have to pay for, it doesn’t matter where he eats. And even then he’d need stuff to grow that food.

  246. “Of course he grows his own food. He raises dogs, doesn’t he?”

    –Barky Obama.

  247. I’m just trying to point out that going out to eat every night is not the only way a rich person connects to the market economy.

  248. It’s not like they don’t buy actual mansions, Gulfstream Jets, jewels, antiques, third and fourth homes or yachts. Ask John Forbes Kerry.

    Or hire staff to run their businesses and keep the house(s) humming along, clean and landscaped or exercise the racehorses. Like the Romney’s.

  249. Mueller, point being that steve tries to take the liberal tax-paying high ground – he pays more taxes so what’s everybody beefing about. I just preferred to deal with facts, facts that there are high earners who do not agree with him.
    And yes, my dick is bigger. (/childish schoolyard braggadocio). :)

  250. Did his wife tell you that, Red?

  251. You bad, Ms. Leigh.

  252. I Red says December 13, 2013 at 7:26 pm
    Mueller, point being that steve tries to take the liberal tax-paying high ground – he pays more taxes so what’s everybody beefing about. I just preferred to deal with facts, facts that there are high earners who do not agree with him.
    And yes, my dick is bigger. (/childish schoolyard braggadocio). :)
    - See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52186#comments

    Ah, yes. The “I pay more taxes than you therefore I’m better than you.” argument. However if he really was in that tax bracket he’d be bragging on the various ways he and his accountant have discovered to avoid paying taxes.
    My dick pays taxes. that’s how big it is.

  253. I have three brothers, Red. I can talk smack with the best of ‘em.

  254. My dick is so big, its shadow has its own ZIP code.

    Top that. ;)

  255. Wow! It looks like a penis.

    Only smaller. ; )

  256. Dicks are obsolete anyway. And all sex is rape. Imaginary bows are murder.

  257. I am but a nugget of atavistic crud to be wiped from humanity’s sleepy eyes as it spots the light of the gleaming but non-phallic towers of utopia in the one dimensional historical distance.

  258. If all sex is rape, then I guess I have to say that I agree with this guy.

  259. Zip code? My dick has electoral votes.

  260. My dick can get a table at Elaines

  261. Only a table? Tsk.

  262. “It’s common knowledge that multimillionaires either stuff their money in a mattress”

    I thought they had giant vaults full of gold coins and went swimming in them, like Scrooge McDuck (and how come that character isn’t racist against Scots, hmmm?)

    “It’s not like they don’t buy actual mansions, Gulfstream Jets, jewels, antiques, third and fourth homes or yachts. Ask John Forbes Kerry.”

    Of course, Kerry then tries to cheat on his property taxes.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/23/john-kerry-saves-500000-b_n_656985.html

  263. Kerry reminds me of Iowahawk’s insufferable WASP character that he hauls out now and again.

  264. Oh, and my dick has been officially declared to be an exoplanet by NASA.

  265. All these swinging dicks in the same place.

    You’ll put someone’s eye out!

  266. Don’t tell anyone, but we Scots have a superpower that renders us invulnerable to racist stereotypes. It’s called Sense of Humour.

    Either that, or Truth. Not sure which.

  267. “Would you like to swing on…?”

  268. “Don’t tell anyone, but we Scots have a superpower that renders us invulnerable to racist stereotypes. It’s called ”

    Sgian-dubh? Broken bottle? Five gud fren’s u’d like a wee chat w/ yee lad?

  269. “Oh, and my dick has been officially declared to be an exoplanet by NASA. ”

    I admit that I was thinking of doing the “my dick is so incredibly big but unfortunately scientists no longer consider it a planet.” gag.

    Or the Paul Bunyan said I should see a doctor one.

    How about “my dick is so big that I found out about the Oort cloud before anybody else did. and boy was it cold? “

  270. My dick is so big it doesn’t return the presidents calls.

  271. My president is so small half the dicks in the Third World won’t take his phone calls.

  272. If I had a dick, it’d cockslap the president back to Kenya.

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