Which of course can never happen — nobody is going to confiscate your weapons, and registries make us all safer! — so stop your hyperventilatory scare-mongering, you gun-fetishizing nutters, with your ammo hoards, your generators, and your pre-fab bucket food stored in your basement bunker.
Why do you insist on seeing little school children mowed down with military-styled assault rifles and their deadly adjustable stocks and rails for strobing lights?
Is it because you are racist? Or just fond of tiny little chalk outlines and crime scene tape?
(h/t geoff B)
new yorkers are a passive weak and cowardly people what like a strong whip hand to help them make more better choices
Gun-free zones should solve this problem, tout de suite.
Hey, lawyers, does receipt of the letter constitute a ground for action sufficient to create a case challenging the constitutionality of the act of the publication of the letter, and of the law underlying the justification of the letter (quite apart from any other challenge to the law which may or may not have been brought to date)?
“new yorkers are a passive weak and cowardly people what like a strong whip hand to help them make more better choices – ”
That’s what I think but Abe says that New Yorkers shine so damned bright that my dumb cooter flyover eyes can’t even see it. They made all the important stuff in this county because none of the rest of us dusty pioneer drudges know how to scratch an itch or think about stuff. We just like the shadows cast on out cave walls from the distant eternal fire of New York.
Call it Bloomberg’s parting “shot” or de Blasio’s opening “volley.” Whatever, it is bound to get worse what with Progressive Billy now King of New York City, soon to be called the Detroit on Hudson.
New Yorkers will at least be a briefly white hot market for new lines of gimped New York City Legal weapons. With a “hard” 5 shot limit most current legal guns will have to be revolvers in the .38 special and up range.
You guy’s just don’t understand good governance. Why, just as soon as all those fellers prone to using high capacity clips and murderous magazines for nefarious ends turn’em all in, the city will be peaceful as a high mountain meadow and entire hospitals will empty out and prisons can be demolished.
You folks lack vision, that’s all.
That didn’t even happen in London where English comes from. In a patient zero sense.
Thank god, this will finally put a stop to all those NYC mass shootings committed with bolt-action .22LR Marlins.
How long before someone is shot because A, the gun owner decided to defend himself, or, B, the cops had the wrong address and busted into the wrong house.
We already know from the Guerena case the cops can get away with murder.
I’ll take scenario B for $500, Alex.
*warblemutter* You have forgotten something… *mutterwarble*
/Kosh
never too early dept.
Philly Becomes First City to Ban 3-D Gun Printing
Not that there are any 3-D printers in Philadelphia. That we know of.
OT, I see at 6 on CSP1 Clarence Thomas will be speaking on “Textualism and the Role of Judges”.
What part of “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed” is so hard to understand?
Monster, I believe the people of NYC crumbled with the Sullivan Law.
I find it amusing that those who claim that the word “people” in (a) the Declaration of Independence, (b) the Preamble, (c) Article I, and (d) the First, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments refer to individuals, but assert that the Second Amendment uses it as “only specifically selected agents of the government, and no others”.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/11/lose_insurance_under_obamacare_speak_up_irs_audits_you.html
But hey, they mean well.
Who are the police going to sell the guns to?
I hear ATF has some Mexican buyers lined up.
They get fed to an industrial shredder. Or at least that is what is supposed to happen though I expect nice functional and/or rare expensive guns get diverted to someone in the government for their private collection.
So, NYers. We can expect all of you to say, with your usual pithiness: “Get the fuck outta heah!” about this proposed law.
Right? Right?
Yep. It’s vitally important that the government assert the right of its own agents to carry guns. Otherwise the government might take that right away. Or something.
Just another example of how screwed up in the head these people are.
Last I heard NYC had something like 50,000 registered guns and an estimated 2 million unregistered ones. There’s quite a lot of civil (or uncivil) disobedience there, actually.
OT: Argentina steals oil company’s stuff, now asks them to come back to exploit shale on the promise that half their previous stuff will be returned. Good luck with that, eh? Especially given that anyone who can produce shale oil (or even hand out bottled water or make beds for people who can produce shale oil) is in high demand virtually everywhere on the planet.
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/wrm/2013/11/27/argentina-wants-on-the-shale-bandwagon/
If only the 2nd amendment was a right to self defense rather than a right to a consumer product.
in other police news
Crime Rate in Camden, NJ Going Down After Unionized Police Force Sacked
I’ve never had anyone force me to buy a weapon.
You don’t have to buy insurance either. You just pay a tax for being uninsured.
In other words, yes it’s forcing people to buy insurance.
Really, you need to complain to your masters about the talking points you’ve been given to parrot, little one.
>You just pay a tax for being uninsured.<
irs don't owe me money. they get no "tax" from me.
Really? How do you figure?
There are only two ways for a government to control behavior: deterrence and criminalization.
Criminalizing something means that you get thrown in jail for doing it, but when the government merely wants to direct behavior without having to build lots of jails, they make it expensive, through taxation (luxury taxes, excise taxes, etc.) or fees/licensing (automobiles, hunting).
Forcing someone to either purchase a product (with all the lack of customer service attached, since the business no longer has to worry about pleasing the customer, only the bureaucrat) or pay a tax is coercion, and will always and inevitably fail, because people will ALWAYS find an alternative. Can’t get help at hospitals? Urgent Care. Pay cash. Boutique medical practices.
That feeling under your feet is the beginning trembles of the Death Spiral, because even the young and foolish aren’t stupid.
“There are not enough jails, not enough policemen, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people.” — Hubert H. Humphrey
I would wish you “good luck”, but I don’t, and am not a hypocrite.
Really? How do you figure?
How do you figure it isn’t? “Buy this or pay a huge (and soon to be increasing) fine.”
Fun point: There is no way under the law for the IRS to bill people for failure, they can only withhold refunds. Adjusting the tax paperwork to reduce withholding is simple, and means that there is no refund to withhold from, so no tax paid.
Can’t wait for that to “unexpectedly” pop up in a news cycle, because it’s always been right there in black and white.
I see that they’re lowering expectations on the site again.
Maybe Zero should’ve appointed a “czar” with actual IT experience rather than a crony with no experience whatsoever, eh?
The front end of the site is more responsive (though still prone to failure), but the back end (the part that actually sends the data to the insurance companies) is still 100% screwed.
That’s why Zero and his minions have been harping on “selected a plan” for the few who have actually managed to get through to the site. Selected a plan” on the government site and having your data transmitted to the insurance company and a policy actually being issued are two different things entirely.
“Selected a plan” isn’t “has a policy” any more than putting something in your shopping cart on Amazon is the same as actually buying it and having it delivered.
Such a simple solution. Pay cash. Everyone should do that with medical bills.
Paying a tax is very different than being forced. You might look up concepts like forced labor, or conscription with a penalty of execution for desertion. Why is it so important for you to water down the meaning of words?
Why is it so important for you to water down the meaning of words?
Why is it important for you?
You might look up concepts like forced labor
You mean like forcing doctors to work for lower wages (one of the main principles of 404Care)? I mean, since they are ensuring everyone else has their “right” to health insurance (not care, of course, just the insurance, which is all the settled law is concerned with, I will note), right?
How soon do you think it will be before failure to have this insurance becomes a criminal act, rather than just civil disobedience?
“You might look up concepts like forced labor”
You might look up concepts like “my money comes from my labor, therefore taking my money is exactly the same as taking my labor”.
Such a simple solution. Pay cash. Everyone should do that with medical bills.
Less than a century ago, doctors were getting paid in livestock and garden produce.
Of course, that was before malpractice insurance, so YMMV.
Doctors can charge whatever they want. They just don’t have a god given right to be in the networks of private insurers if the private insurers decide they’re too expensive. They don’t have the god given right to medicare patients if they won’t take medicare rates. But that can say, “15 minute exam, $1,000,000” and no one will stop them. The market will just decide they’re not worth it.
Never.
Get really friendly with your veterinarian is still my advice.
“The market will just decide they’re not worth it.”
First of all, Medicare and Medicaid aren’t “the market”.
Second, the actual situation is that doctors refuse to take Medicare and Medicaid. Those programs don’t exclude them. The doctors refuse to take it. Just as they’ll do with Zero Care.
The docs are doing just fine without it, too.
What you’re going to get under ZeroCare are the incompetents, the rookies, and those who are desperate for patients under any circumstances.
Best Care Anywhere!
2%? You forgot several zeroes…
It’s such a bitch that all governments levy taxes.
“It’s such a bitch that all governments levy taxes.”
It’s such a bitch that you’re so terribly bad at spinning. Do you actually have no sense of self-respect or shame?
So what’s the problem then?
Complete and utter bullshit. Who’s your doctor? Let’s see if he’s in network for any of the plans on your state exchange.
You don’t have to guess. You can look this stuff up. You have to be OK with admitting that you’re wrong about a great many things you believe though.
What you’re going to get under ZeroCare are the incompetents, the rookies, and those who are desperate for patients under any circumstances.
Hi, Doctor Nick!
Q: What do you call the guy who graduated at the very bottom of his class from medical school?
A: “Doctor”. (Hey, they have to get the Gosnells of the world from SOMEWHERE…)
“Complete and utter bullshit.”
Sure it is, Slaphead.
People in Concord New Hampshire can no longer go to the hospital in town. Not covered under ZeroCare.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/29/health/obamacare-doctors-limited/
New Hampshire isn’t alone here, either.
Why do you continuously lie when it’s so easy to refute?
You can look this stuff up.
You make the assertion, liar, you’re the one with the burden of proof.
Haven’t you learned that lesson yet?
To make it perfectly clear: NOT ONE DOCTOR AT THE HOSPITAL IN THE CAPITAL OF FRIGGIN’ NEW HAMPSHIRE is covered by Obamacare.
Who’s your doctor? Let’s see if he’s in network for any of the plans on your state exchange
You’ve missed the point. Again. When the doctors refuse to accept 404Care, there is no network that will list them, except on the “To Be Audited Repeatedly” one at the IRS…
SBP, who’s your doctor? Let’s see if he’s in the bottom of the bucket and takes O’care.
Docs love that joke. Seriously.
Jugears never talks about the doctors who are sued for malpractice while practicing Ocare. Ocare is indemnified. The doctors are not. So, get paid less. Spend a bundle on malpractice insurance. Sounds like a sucker’s bet to me.
goofballs news
Video: Health insurance company advertises by goofing on Obamacare
Why does anyone engage the fucking idiot that is hellomynameisfuckstick?
I’m just curious. I expect boredom is involved.
Docs love that joke. Seriously.
My sister (works in medical billing) heard it from a nurse.
#winning
78% Fear ObamaCare Site Security, Could Deter Signups
We’re talking around him, cranky. I’d chalk it up to boredom.
> I expect boredom is involved.<
maybe but it is useful to stand up to the astroturf
Cranky, I suspect force of habit. It used to be debate was useful and open minds could be persuaded.
Some just haven’t accepted the world has changed.
We’re in the post enlightenment age; up is down, black is white, and progressives are pulling us backward to a time before rule of law, toward barbarous times past when might made right.
There are very dark times on the horizon, and the wise are preparing (materially and intellectually) for the storm.
The ones in denial are still debating the dogs tearing civilization apart.
Drum, docs love to bust each others chops with that joke.
Dog vomit is not astroturfing, he’s an evil bastard wrapping the chains around your throat while chatting about how pretty gold links are.
>Dog vomit is not astroturfing<
see: mccain feinberg
McCain-Feingold.
Drum, docs love to bust each others chops with that joke.
The legal equivalent:
Q: What do you call a lawyer who graduated at the bottom of his class from Law School?
A: “Your Honor.”
Dog vomit is not astroturfing, he’s an evil bastard wrapping the chains around your throat while chatting about how pretty gold links are.
“Wherever there is a jackboot stomping on a human face there will be a well-heeled Western liberal to explain that the face does, after all, enjoy free health care and 100 percent literacy.” — John Derbyshire
The Derb is always way out ahead of the curve. I read him over at Taki once a week.
“Your Honor” Heh, that’s a good one too.
hellomynameisnsa
Disabled woman denied entry to U.S. after agent cites supposedly private medical details
the “monster” on the ground report
Hard Sell
Going door-to-door for Obamacare
The facts we hate
We’ll never meet
Walking down the road
Everybody yelling, “Hurry up, hurry up!”
But I’m waiting for you
I must go slow
I must not think bad thoughts
When is this world coming to?
Both sides are right
But both sides murder
I give up
Why can’t they?
I must not think bad thoughts
The civil wars and the uncivilized wars
Conflagrations leap out of every poor furnace
The food cooks poorly and everyone goes hungry
From then on, it’s dog eat dog, dog eat body and body eat dog
I cant go down there
I cant understand it
I’m a no good coward
An American, too
A North American, that is
Not a South or a Central or a Native American
Oh, I must not think bad thoughts
Says the fervent Obamacare supporter. Really, there’s no point in bothering with this one.
This is what typical low-fi “dumb clever” artists sounded like in 1989. (Band: Christmas – CD: Ultraprophets of Thee Psykick Revolution) Sort of a half-ass attempt to shoehorn Blue Oyster Cult and Blondie together into a vapid shrieky mess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSC9QdteATo
some charter ’77 for a holiday weekend
The fundamental, and very first mistake that the political establishment
made with respect to Charter 77 – its refusal to hold a
dialogue about the duty to respect the Constitution – had immediate
repercussions. This error could not help but lead to further
error, and falsehood to breed still more falsehood until, in the end,
the established power bloc was bringing down a torrent of misfortune
on its own head and endlessly making a fool of itself. In the
media the Charter was described as a project conceived by ‘turncoats
and double-dealers’, and elsewhere as ‘has-beens’. The miserable
bungling oaf who thought those expressions up deserved a good
kick in the pants from his political masters. The Chartists were
indeed ‘has-beens’ in the sense that they lacked any sort of political
power. But the same can be said of 90 per cent of the Czechoslovak
population. What else is a double-dealing turncoat but someone
who hands his country over to a foreign power for personal gain,
like those who collaborated with the Germans, for example? It is
fairly obvious that it is quite inappropriate to call traitors those
who demand strict observance of the constitution.
dude armadillos
The Clash – Rock the Casbah
Crime Rate in Camden, NJ Going Down After Unionized Police Force Sacked
” Last year, the city of Camden decided to can its unionized police force in favor of ununionized county cops who hit the streets this April. The decision came about because the police union would not budge on the highly lucrative contract they had, even by police standards. Camden cops, for example, got a 4 percent bonus for working the day shift, and a 10 percent bonus for starting at 9:30am. On any given day, 30 percent of the force was absent because of the liberal sick policies. The city has been run exclusively by Democrats for several generations, and some local leaders openly worried that Camden, which already had the highest crime rate per capita last year, would get worse. But it hasn’t. In fact, crime’s gone down, as Fox News Latino reports:
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The reorganization increased the amount of police on the streets and incorporated cutting edge technology such as ShotSpotter rooftop monitors. The initiative has already gotten results, according to city leaders.
Over the summer months this year, the murder rate fell by 22 percent and crime overall was down 15 percent, according to data provided by Camden County officials.
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Cities like Detroit*, which is now in bankruptcy court in part thanks to onerous union obligations and whose police department does not know how many employees it exactly has or what they do, ought to take note. ”
http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/27/crime-rate-in-camden-nj-going-down-after
* How Much Has the Detroit Police Force Really Been Cut? No one knows. http://www.michigancapitolconfidential.com/18935
As goes Detroit, so goes San Bernardino.
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/bankruptcy-537783-calpers-san.html
1stee;)
in other police news
Crime Rate in Camden, NJ Going Down After Unionized Police Force Sacked
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the “knock out game”
Away from the play, the same Atkinson came from behind and blindsided the same Swann with a vicious forearm to the back of the neck. Swann dropped to the ground with another serious concussion. He never saw the cowardly act coming from behind him. Nor did any official since the attack occurred far from the action. No flag was thrown. Swann missed the next two games.
Coach Chuck Noll was rightfully angry. At his weekly press conference he referred to Atkinson as a “criminal element who should be kicked out of the league.”
link
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Is hellomynameischiefjusticejohnroberts really hanging his argument on “the power to tax is NOT the power to destroy”?
I would hope not McGehee.
Cigarettes are taxed enough to supposedly discourage people from smoking. The revenue is supposed to fund schools and “stop smoking” ads. Cigarettes are discouraged primarily because they 1.) greatly increase various cancer risk 2.) damage the lungs with particulates 3.) damage cilia in the airways that form a barrier to infection. Secondarily they are associated with bothering others who hate the smell or have some abnormal sensitivity to smoke.
Someone invented a nicotine delivery system that is compatible with the habitual aspect of smoking (something to hold, flavor, visual of something being breathed out and hanging in the air for moment, something to put in your mouth) that DOES not have a link to cancer, particulate damage to the lungs, heat damage to the cilia in breathing passages, and does NOT irritate people nearby with oils, irritants, and strong odors. We now have much safer nicotine delivery with far fewer externalities that serves as a decent substitute for cigarettes with a lot of people. It seems like a godsend. You can even get flavors. There is no fire hazard. It’s a mist inhaler based delivery system.
What has the response been? To try and regulate the substitute and discourage its use. Why? Well supposedly it is to protect children from picking up the e-cig habit, even though they are not sold to anyone under 18.
So what is the objection ? Is it a challenge to the anti-tobacco lobby’s sense of societal control? Is it messing up the “no cigarette” training the government has supposedly been so serious about? Do we hate smokers so much that we want to take a safer substitute away even though the harm to society is demonstrably much much lower?
I think it’s mainly that if smokers stop smoking they stop paying onerous taxes. The Substitute solves problems and threatens revenue. Cost to society of smoking? FUCK THAT. We want the sin-tax revenue NOW and don’t want to tolerate anything that competes with the tax revenue skimmed off of the supposedly hopelessly addicted.
It’s like the towns that shut down the traffic cameras when fine revenue drops off as drivers stop offending, or change them to trick/catch drivers unexpectedly in unintended violations due to irregular yellow to red light change timing.
They are trying to demonize e-cigs and either set up a similar taxation/regulation scheme with them or else get them to where it is hard for smoker to get them instead of the nasty old actual cigarettes. The revenue incentivizes the crushing of a much safer and cheaper substitiute that helps smokers and people near smokers to live better and still have what they want.
Also we should totally fight over piles of organs in the streets and blow up the world economy.
I also thought it was really odd that the alcohol industry was against marijuana legalization. As someone opined, “That’s like chocolate coming out against peanut butter.”
Cui bono?
Yeah, I really hate the idea of legalizing drugs (90% of the 80’s was spent telling me that they were Satan and that message has been ruthlessly chiseled into my bones) but the drug war has been a source of a lot of shit and very little benefit so Reagan was wrong about the whole drug war thing. WAY wrong. It’s time to stop it and fire a hell of a lot of people and stop militarizing the damned police and telling them that they are some form of low-budget equivalent to spec ops behind enemy lines when they clearly are not supposed to be.
If we won’t keep unauthorized foreign nationals out then how are we going to keep increasingly ridiculous lists of contraband out? (like Freon? Inhaler propellant? Cathode light bulbs? A lot of guns that fall afoul of weird special rules such as otherwise pefectlty legal foreign made shotguns? Wood from “forbidden” sources? )
and the national income tax came into being because of the lost revenue of booze tax because of prohibition
Don’t see how that can be: 16th Amendment (Income Tax) was ratified in 1913, long before the 18th (Prohibition) in 1919.
“Hard Sell Going door-to-door for Obamacare”
Excellent article. Thanks, nr.
It’s such a bitch that all governments levy taxes.
Yes it is. It is one of the police powers of the state.
In the case of the ACA it pushed through without the input of half the house and it was NOT sold to the electorate as a tax.
Again. This is what tyrants do, not democratic republics.
Doctors can charge whatever they want. They just don’t have a god given right to be in the networks of private insurers if the private insurers decide they’re too expensive. They don’t have the god given right to medicare patients if they won’t take medicare rates. But that can say, “15 minute exam, $1,000,000? and no one will stop them. The market will just decide they’re not worth it. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52054#comment-1038003
Which is why they don’t charge $1,ooo,ooo. The reason private health insurance is so expensive is that there is a third party involved in the transaction. Reducing the number of participants between the consumer and the doctor will naturally drive down the price.
Statism is slavery, y’all.
hellomynameissteve says November 29, 2013 at 4:03 pm
If only the 2nd amendment was a right to self defense rather than a right to a consumer product.
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It is.
hope this helped
Claiming that taking away guns does not violate the 2nd amendment is like claiming Obamacare is not going to reduce the availability of doctors. In both cases one is asserting that something exists without a practical means to fulfill the promise of it.
Good point, Mueller. The Second Amendment mentions “arms”, not “a high-powered rifle with IR scope, laser sighting, birth control, shoulder padding, flash suppressor, attached ear plugs and eye shields, which failure to obtain shall require a payment of money, the amount of which the President, in His Beneficent Wisdom, sharl determine”.
I wonder if steve went to the same schools as Bob Beckel who just insisted on “Cashin’ In” that the right to healthcare is in the USC. “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. Dumbass doesn’t know rhetorical flourishes in the Declaration of Independence from his elbow.
True dat. It’s supposed to be “provide for the common defense and promote the general welfare”, not the other way around.
“Dumbass doesn’t know rhetorical flourishes in the Declaration of Independence from his elbow.”
Well why should he, since in the whole of his blustering life such knowledge (which isn’t, by the way, merely to a distinguished simple rhetorical flourish, but to the actual foundation of modern natural rights theory, which he reviles) has never been a requirement for success at what he does? That is to say, the man (like all his peers in the moronic-left political personality community) has ever had the experience to have been rewarded for his stoogery, rather than the experience to be shoved off the political stage for all time on account of a lack of knowledge. So he just goes with what ‘works’, whether it happens to have content or none, or to be ridiculous or not.
Indeed. I didn’t mean to imply it was simply a rhetorical flourish. Thanks for unpacking it for me.
Beckel is a scion of socialists. Worse, monied socialists in Lockjaw County, Connecticut. An inconvenient set of facts (prep school, private college) he omits because he has no actual cred as a Freedom Fighter.
mynameissteve opines…
If you really believe that, then you are dumber than I thought.
OTOH, I guess Steve views traffic tickets and fines as just another method of taxation. If so, then you might begin to think that the US Government doesn’t want you to earn money.
html fail on aisle 3.
I think traffic tickets and fines are another method of taxation. The notion of safety is pretty much gone. It’s a revenue stream and an easy one to justify because The Law is being broken.
“I think traffic tickets and fines are another method of taxation”
I think there’s no question they are a revenue stream the authorities have no desire to see end.
Does anyone honestly believe the roads were made safer reducing DUI fro .1 BAC to .08? I have no doubt id drunk driving arrests dropped significantly, they would reduce it to .04, like class A drivers live with.
It’s like the war on drugs…give the cops all the cash, cars, and real estate that can credibly be linked to the drug trade, then imagine the cops want to end the drug trade. Riiiight…
Drumwaster.
Arms that a typical soldier could carry himself. These days that lends itself to a wide array of weaponry.
I personally have no problem with my neighbor owning his or her own crew served weapon.
As we have seen in the past.When the state has a monopoly on force it tends to use that force against its citizens.
I could break it down for Steve as to what the amendment means and why it was written that way, but he has an aversion to understanding.
Oh, I know. And it wasn’t the Continental Congress that owned all those cannons and privateers, but I wouldn’t expect Dog Vomit to know history, since it wasn’t taught to him in the public schools.
ok, in anticipation of prohibition being ratified. Jees.
I personally have no problem with my neighbor owning his or her own crew served weapon.
The only authority granted to Congress that it refuses to use is the issuance of Letters of Marque and Reprisal. Largely because the exercise of such authority would be an implicit admission that we proles have the right to own and use weapons appropriate for taking enemy ships and facilities.
Hubs wants a Howitzer for Christmas.