The left’s end game is nearly complete: use law and procedure to fundamentally transform law and procedure — that is, use the intentional bastardization of our institutions and laws to deconstruct them — thus fundamentally transforming the United States, and with it, fundamentally transforming the role of the citizen and sovereign to one of subject ruled over by sovereigns.
The only question left is this: do we follow along meekly with this obvious trajectory? Or are there enough of us left to fight back — using the state convention process to take back the country from a ruling class that no longer represents our interests?
Fuck them. Sideways. Swordfish.
Right on, Carin. Meet at your place? I’ll bring snacks.
I’m out in the boonies, and have ten acres, surrounded by another 30 empty acres of woods. It’d be a fine place for base camp.
We have tons of camping stuff and hubs was as artillery officer with many commands.
We’ll be there.
Yet, apparently, Senator Obama was in direct opposition to this type of power grab not that long ago.
Well, things change angstlee.
And they’ll change back. I can’t wait for the caterwauling then.
Or are there enough of us left to fight back — using the state convention process
No. But there are enough to make a pretty sizable insurgency.
We have tons of camping stuff and hubs was as artillery officer with many commands. –
We’ll be set. My husband was an infantry officer.
Obstruction has consequences. Who knew.
That was the claim when the non-recess recess appointments occurred.
We’ll be set. My husband was an infantry officer.
Awesome. They can drill the kids and get the place shipshape.
Shoe. Foot. Other.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INpeklsK6oA
hellomynameisclueless, the fact that you think anything Mitchie boy says or does is representative of the thoughts and beliefs around here proves just how little you really understand who you are dealing with here.
It will be totally awesome to see Reid or his replacement about-facing this again, when they find they want to.
Obstruction has consequences. Who knew.
– Be interesting to see how you feel when the Senate goes back to the Reps in 2014. Will you still think the bill is a good idea then. I’m guessing not.
Shoe. Foot. Other.
– The “other” other.
– …..and the “other”, other, other.
– If you had a third foot that would be in your mouth too Steve-dolt.
– It will never happen Leigh. As soon as the pussy Progressives see they are losing and in danger of having to actually, you know, use something besides their lying tongues and really put up anything of value in their “fight” they’ll all turn tail and run like the yellow bastard cowards they are.
– You don’t think they believe any of the bullshit they spew do you, its all the free shit that they want. they’ll never actually chance anything real. Bunch of assholes.
I’m not worried, BBH. Their all talk and no action.
Buncha pussies, they are.
Fight back?
We don’t need ’em: not their bureaucracies, not their all-strings-attached monies, not their imperial pronouncements.
Wall off the beltway (effectively or literally — I’m good with either) and save the fighting not to unseat them but to keep them out.
they’ll all turn tail and run like the yellow bastard cowards they are.
Perhaps you missed the fact that the top generals are being swapped out for O-bots and the police forces (and the National Park Service and the department of Agriculture and the Dept. of Education, et al.) are being militarized.
Do NOT count on “our peeps” in the military and police forces to stand up for us. They’re not there in the same numbers as they were.
The Left was never going to leave brute force out of their plans.
Don’t get cocky, is all I’m sayin.
When the State can effectively confiscate your children under the flimsiest of pretenses…
– Oh I’m sure the Marxist leadership would be more than willing to sacrifice as many of their “true believer” zombies as cannon fodder Car. Problem is they think that the morons that follow them are in it with any convictions. They are not, just want the free shit. If the Left put on a war the first thing they’d see is their gaggle in all out retreat. They will never fight for anything because they have zero values.
– Speaking of Zombies.
– Ment that to be for di on that previous. Sorry bout dat.
no, they come in white too: White Zombie (1932) Bela Lugosi, Madge Bellamy, Joseph Cawthorn
– Speaking of resident Zombies, since Slappy-Steve is so found of studies.
and to poor Christie’s defense, before movies like “Night of the Living Dead” the traditional zombie was some poor African guy being manipulated by a witch doctor.
Shorter hellomyageistwelve: “Yay team D!”
If my team made any noise to filibuster anything, your team would be looking to change the rules about one millisecond later anyways. And you PWers would be the first to root for it.
For once, the dems weren’t hopelessly naive.
Bullshit.
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/57533/large/DPCC_Cloture-Votes-01.png?1384383164
…because, eventually, it’s time to stop negotiating with assholes and just defeat them.
Eventually, it’s time to stop keeping company with fascists.
…because, eventually, it’s time to stop negotiating with assholes and just defeat them.
How are the defenses to the Articles of Impeachment coming, Slappy? Or have you gone back to “The President is entitled to do anything he wants”?
Shorter hellomynameiswilltopower traditions of the senate are for suckers
fritz over at AoSHQ has a few interesting questions, just to show hellomynameismud exactly how fucked he and his ilk are:
Shorter helloiamtotallywasted: “It’s no fun debating people who get all factual and logical, so instead I’m going to argue with the strawmen in my head.”
(SWIDT?)
“your team would be looking to change the rules about one millisecond later anyways”
Every time the Senate rules on filibuster have changed it’s been Democrats. Every time.
STFU, liebot.
Look who can’t keep themselves from filibustering. Half of all filibusters waged against nominations in the nation’s history have happened during this presidency.
Excessive? Yep.
Half of all filibusters waged against nominations in the nation’s history have happened during this presidency
Tell us, Slappy, is it even possible for you to speak a single sentence without lying?
Here’s the actual page with real data, Slappy. Go do the math for yourself.
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm
They’ve even done all the hard work by providing the totals at the bottom.
And that does not include the number of times when a bill was never allowed to come up for discussion and a vote (such as those funding bills passed by the House last month), since that procedural tactic used to prevent a bill from being advanced doesn’t count as a filibuster, does it?
TRY and stick with reality, won’t you?
Good luck to the rest of you guys…I live in California…..not only completely run by the Democrats, but the Republican Party here is run by the Keystone Kops.
Half of all filibusters waged against nominations in the nation’s history have happened during this presidency.
If this is true, it is merely a manifestation of just how extreme and far left Presieent Obama’s nominations have been.
Besides, what does he care…he’ll just appoint a few more Czars.
Yeah, that’s right, I forgot how the courts slapped Barcky down for violating the Constitution re “interim appointments”.
NOMINATIONS. Sigh.
I ask again – do you intentionally misread just so you can scream “LIE!”
Yeah, that MUST be it.
Put up or admit to the lie, Slappy. I showed you how. It’s called “evidence”, and repetition does not equal it.
While you are at it, look up “Bork”, there’s a dear.
I already did. Go back and look. I’m not going to repeat myself just because you’re too lazy to listen the first time.
I already did.
Your entire post:
You made a bare assertion with neither evidence nor common sense to back it. You were asked to provide evidence. You claimed that you “already did” (your quote above). Yet another lie.
Go fuck yourself, liar.
slapphead – the finest proggtardia has to offer
fritz left a few off the flip side:
How many of you know someone (including yourself) whose hours were cut back because of Obamacare?
Just for example
Perhaps a large difference between Democrats and Republicans is that a Republican president will withdraw a nomination that is threatened with a filibuster so that no filibuster actually occurs whereas a Democrat president will almost always make the nomination and dare the Republicans to actually do a filibuster. Thus he would have more nominees filibustered.
Wasn’t Obama bragging earlier today about how he’s transforming the judiciary?
Hard to do that if the Senate Republicans are waging unrestricted filibusterfare.
More to the point, filibusterfare is a 21st century phenomenon. So it makes a bit of sense that the century’s second president would account for half (or more) of the filibustered nominations,
don’t it?
I still do not believe that the feckless GOP would actually filibuster, given their failure to do so on several occasions when it would have been appropriate, and I am asking for Slappy to put up or shut up.
He made the assertion, the burden of proof is his. If he cannot prove it, with reputable sources (such as the senate’s own website, like I did), with his record, it will be deemed a lie. If he can, then as you said, it would not be surprising, considering the Democrats gave the precedent in the previous administration. BUT I WANT PROOF.
“Look who can’t keep themselves from filibustering.”
Look who can’t keep themselves from nominating Communists.
Drum, you’re such a funking dolt. Here it is, again:
So are you a liar, or just stupid? Liar would be generous, because if it really is stupidity, it’s “couldn’t pour piss out of a boot if directions were written on the heel” calibre stupid.
CTRL+F man. Get a tattoo if you can’t remember it.
I said REPUTABLE sources, Slappy. Self serving posters by the people justifying their illegal power grab doesn’t cut it. FACTS, dipshit. Got any?
…and they’ve done it 16 times, so basically the value of your beliefs would disqualify you from owning a gerbil.
And even by that bullshit poster, you are STILL a liar, Slappy, because that is not “half”, by quite a chunk.
Don’t be afraid of Math, Slappy.
If there is an ideological problem with the nominee in question and that is known to the president, than the prudent thing to do is to prepare for a filibuster or withdraw the nominee for one that is not so polarizing.
This isn’t hard.
…and they’ve done it 16 times,
Repetition is not evidence, Slappy.
PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
Since when is (projected) a legitimate measure in a graph? Does that mean 2 or 2000?
Senate Democrats were the ones going around with posters showing how much money ObamaCare would save, and how many millions of people would get insurance.
ProTip: They lied then, they are lying now.
They lie all the time. Everything they say is a lie.
Which explains why hellomynameisgullible accepts it as evidence so blithely…
Since he’ll buy anything, where was he when I was selling cars?
He probably has weak credit. Weak like his arguments.
– His arguments aren’t weak, they’re non-existant. Hes using unbased projections instead of facts and anectdotes instead of recorded numbers, which the assholes on the Left always do with every damn thing they try to sell.
– Fact is if you look in a Websters under hipocrit, Dirty Harrys pic will be next to it.
– Both sides will do anything they can to foil the other sides appointees, and to say anything less is utter bullshit, but Slappy will lie even into the teeth of that fact, something that everyone over the age of ten knows.
– BTW, I wouldn’t mind at all if the ratio was 100 to 1, in fact I wouldn’t mind if they were regularly taken out and shot, but thats just how I roll.
– Personally I can’t wait ’til its open season on Progressives. Might as well give some real meaning to the pejorative “Baggers” by bagging a few.
In my inbox..
Barky got spanked by the appeals court. Being a vainglorious creature of the fsr-Left, he’s taking the low road all dictators eventually take.
Watch him as he embraces more and more radical options. No more Mr. Nice Guy; he’s ready to get nasty.
Somewhere, Bill Ayers is smiling, smiling. How many tens, hundreds of thousands did he say must die?
…and yet you do. Repeatedly.
You, hellomynavelisreallyfascinating, are tiresome.
Dictators generally come to a bad end.
– Bill Ayers will be guilty as sin, free as a bird, and dead as a door nail soon.
Someone should escort that little OFA shitsteve to the curb.
[…] Democrats can now get judges and other executive nominations confirmed with 51 votes. They passed the nuclear option, which for less than strange reasons no longer causes Democrats like Reid so much complaint and […]
“So are you a liar, or just stupid?”
You’re both Steve. You are a stupid liar.
“Just minutes after Harry Reid’s power grab, union-label Senator Tom Harkin took to the Senate floor and advocated gutting the filibuster for legislation too.”
Harkin is about as dumb as a football bat. Guess he isn’t aware that the other side of the legislative branch is controlled by the Republicans and once the Obamacare employer mandate exemption expires the Democrats may have a better chance in the next election by changing their party affiliation to taliban.
It’s a pity YouTube is blocked at work. I have a clip that perfectly depicts “steve” (and every other prog troll that wanders in here):
Dark Helmet: Did you see anything!?
Colonel Sandurz: No sir! I didn’t see you playing with your dolls again!
Dark Helmet: GOOD!
hellomynameissteve says November 21, 2013 at 4:01 pm
http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/57533/large/DPCC_Cloture-Votes-01.png?1384383164
Do you have a source that isn’t biased? A democrat source saying democrats are great isn’t exactly impartial.
…because, eventually, it’s time to stop negotiating with assholes and just defeat them.
– See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52009#comments
In a round about way I guess you’ve answered my question. You aren’t interested in a democratic give and take. You just want control. You favor fascism over democracy.
How do you propose to disarm the population?
Ah, Youtube access restored
My general sentiment towards steeeeeeeeeve.
How I view the Establicans.
For the heck of it.
“How many tens, hundreds of thousands did he say must die?”
25 million.
http://pjmedia.com/blog/eyewitness-to-the-ayers-revolution/
Oh. Yes, thanks, SBP. Ayers and Obama go way back, and likely share those sentiments.
It’s not that Obama sees himself as the new Lincoln, he sees Lincoln as a previous, earlier, Obama.
If my team made any noise to filibuster anything, your team would be looking to change the rules about one millisecond later anyways. And you PWers would be the first to root for it.
That is a lie, and you are a liar. “Your team” filibustered its way through the Bush years; unfortunately for you, they’re all on record extolling the virtue of the filibuster, and its importance to our system of checks and balances. All through those years, “my team” never pushed the button on the nuclear option. For as frustrated as they were, they understood that the stakes were too high, and that the Senate needed to remain a deliberative body, with its “cooling saucer” mechanisms intact.
Your baseless claim that “you guys would do it” is undone by the evidence, undone by the recent historical record, undone by the fact that you are so desperately trying to convince yourself that “our side” is lower than “your side” that you’re willing to miscast and ignore all the evidence before our eyes.
I would pity you, if you weren’t working so diligently to poison the tree of liberty, and to tear apart the fabric of our Republic. You are Grima Wormtongue, to be hated and fought against, and only pitied after you lay, defeated, prostrate, in the mud. So go look in the mirror, and just try to convince yourself that “my side” is full of horrible monsters who’d burn everything to the ground if they had the chance, while you continue to ignore the fact that your side is torching the edifice right now.
That you sell your dignity so cheaply makes you a sad little man; that you would try to sell mine against my will makes you my enemy. Just remember that you chose this fight; I only ever wanted to be left alone.
That’s your response to every inconvenient fact. It’s lazy and cowardly. But then the lady wants her son, making minimum wage, to pay a higher tax rate than Mitt – so should one expect?
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/11/21/do-obama-nominees-face-stiffer-senate-opposition/
Go read that article. You act like the senate level of obstruction is just normal they all do it business of the day. The level of obstruction on executive nominees is unprecedented. It earned an unprecedented response. Your side might find it has more influence by being less asshole.
Remember all those times you squealed and said it was a lie that you fantasize about murdering your fellow americans? Is that, maybe, just a wee bit inconsistent with the above? Oh wait, that’s just sarcasm and I’m failing reading comprehension. I hope TinyBanger ends up on this list. JUST KIDDING!!!
You might start by admitting that the level of obstruction of executive nominations is unprecedented. Admitting you have a problem is a first step.
Your team has done it 2x what my team did during Bush, and Obama’s term is far from over. Your team no longer resembles the your team of Bush and Clinton years.
See: Government shutdown over *already passed legislation*
See: Tea Party Republican willingness to default on obligations over *already passed legislation* and primary anyone who opposes them
Times are different. It’s your fault. Get to know those chickens by name as they come home.
I’d say it’s a “tu quoque” fallacy, but that’s just a fancy way of saying the progressives never moved past grade school and screaming “you’d do it tooooo….” as some sort of lame justification for their actions.
Oh dear, stevie woke up and got his latest download of talking points to spam.
Tyranny is necessary, you see. Men must not be allowed to constrain their governors who alone know what is best. Silence, peons . . . your betters speak.
Teams. Feh.
This isn’t a game.
Teams are merely a contingent hurdle to be transcended on the path to the final solution. The end state sought consists in only one necessary party: The Party.
“Times are different. It’s your fault. Get to know those chickens by name as they come home. ”
The projection is truly amazing. Every leftist fantasy is coming true and failing faster and more publilly than they did last time and their polls are in the toilet, they’ve gradually lost a super majority, their hold on power narrows, the world now holds them in utter contempt, and yet idiots like steve still whine about Boooosh, tea party terrorism, and anarchy. The word idiot doesn’t begin cover the level of disconnect from reality.
Tyrrany usually fails unless it is sparsely applied. Barbarism is the great success story. It always looks like the savages were wiped out and tamed and taught to be salary men and then negligence lets the sidewalks crack and up they rise from Earth again, renewed by their sleep of decades.
And hungry.
“Go read that article. You act like the senate level of obstruction is just normal they all do it business of the day. The level of obstruction on executive nominees is unprecedented. It earned an unprecedented response. Your side might find it has more influence by being less asshole. ”
Everybody loves the feeling of escalation until the other side does it too. Steve thinks a second shoe drop means the night is over but Steve is an idiot and the night is still young. This is not a stable new order taking root but tension being increased in an old, rusty, crack riddled machine.
No, nitwit. The un-passed CR was a result of the serially un-passed budget and the reason the shutdown happened.
More bullshit. There’s plenty of revenue to service debt and future obligations can be relegislated at any time. Primarying anyone who can’t fucking do math is a fine idea.
I’ll name those chickens: Begich, Pryor, M. Udall, Coons, Landrieu, Franken, Baucus, Shaheen, Hagen, T. Udall, Merkely, Johnson, Rockefeller and Warner.
Ask them whose fault is what come 11/5.
Nothing like the kaleidoscope view of recent history, is there?
BUT TED CRUZ SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN!!!!!! *With his mind!*
Pelosi and Reid jam a shit sandwich down our throats, lying through their teeth about what was in it and then “deeming” it passed when their lies and propaganda proved insufficient to win America over to their cause.
And stevie the window-licker dares to claim that the GOP and Tea Party are “unprecedented” in their opposition to this abuse. And further dares to claim that “our side” shut down the government, when it was clearly Reid’s refusal to allow any House bills to be heard in the Senate that caused the shutdown.
Hmmm… now that I think about it, I’m starting to see a pattern: Harry Reid refuses to pass a budget for years and years…Harry Reid rams an unpopular partisan shit sandwich through the Senate by abusing Senate budget rules…Harry Reid shuts down the government by refusing to hear House bills that would keep things operating…Harry Reid upends Senate traditions and grants himself extraordinary powers.
Yup, this is definitely the Tea Party’s fault. 100%.
Fuck you, stevie.
Squid – you forget the ransom note attached to those house bills – repeal or defund Obamacare. a.k.a. already passed legislation.
“Get rid of it.” That was your olive branch, dipped in poo and set ablaze. Sorry we didn’t reach out and grab it.
You can’t expect to be taken seriously when you chronically leave out the most important part.
Yup. Like it’s the TP’s fault that an administration led by an incompetent boob and his cadre of idiot minions can’t build a functioning website in more time than it took to win WWII.
Cruz is right again, this time about why Reid pulled the trigger at this particular time. However that is only what it is about in the short term. Long term implications go far beyond Obamacare and will effect all executive actions in the years to come. Rubber-stamping tyranny and only a few of those actions will be reversed by SCOTUS which doesn’t have the time to review all decisions from the lower courts.
It was indeed dipped in Obamacare, but the only fire came from the trainwreck that is implementation.
. . . SCOTUS which doesn’t have the time to review all decisions from the lower courts.
Well, yeah, but that’s only if they insist on continuing with an outmoded tradition of reading and reasoning on the cases which may come before them. They could, if they choose, just start churning the bejeezus out of cases, flippantly assigning any half-assed reading to their minions (the number of which may expand) for summary judgments based on no more than a momentary whim. Fuck all if they can’t process hundreds of thousands of cases, just like the medical arts can be reduced to 40 secs observation per patient, without a care in the world for outcomes.
Steve appears to have forgotten the subsequent offers from the house that delayed the Ocare individual mandate for a year.
That’s your response to every inconvenient fact.
No, that is our response to you when you lie. You see, when people allege certain things that are not in accordance with what the rest of the world calls “reality”, that is called a “lie”, especially when they do it knowingly, as you do.
The level of obstruction on executive nominees is unprecedented.
Gee, who was it that set the precedent? Oh, right, Harry Reid did. You left that part out. (Just ask Ginsburg.)
Nobody’s asked Steve, but I wonder why the citizens of the glorious People’s Republic of Oregon hadn’t merely implemented the goodness that is contained in Ocare themselves rather than waiting for the directive from the main Soviet.
Since, after all, he claims that he doesn’t have to use the federal website (or the state one, either) to obtain his goodies. So why did they wait?
‘Gridkock’ and ‘obstructionism’ are best understood as friction, baked in the cake by our constitution’s writers, designed to slow a massive shift in course during any given political reign. Of course, Barack Obama and the new far-Left Democrats can’t stand for that unhelpful friction to slow their change to a ‘fundamentally reformed’ near-Communist State.
Yes, these are Liberal Fascists, all. I hope that their looming encounter with a brick wall is monstrously painful.
Because “delay it for a year” was nothing more than an obvious ploy for “Give us a 1 year extension in trying to kill it.” You guys showed your hand when you voted to repeal or defund 40+ times. There’s no way you were just going to sit silently and just let it go into effect in a year.
Next!
You can’t double the sand in the gears and claim that nothing has changed.
Your team has done it 2x what my team did during Bush, and Obama’s term is far from over.
You keep repeating this like it’s true, and you have yet to actually establish that data point. ProTip: Using Senate Democrats as a data source is no more valid than if you had claimed you used your Magic 8-Ball, with the exception being that the 8-ball has a statistically-possible chance of being right. They lied in the past, they are lying in the present, and they will lie in the future. You have been caught in multiple and repeated lies at several points, as well.
I want FACTS. Real actual evidence. Independently verifiable. Go get it.
*already passed legislation*
Like DOMA? Like Prop 8 here in California? Those were also “already passed legislation”. How about Prohibition? That was not just legislation, it was an actual amendment. “Already passed legislation” is just another way of saying “we don’t care how unpopular it is, and shut up”.
Fuck you, too.
Remember all those times you squealed and said it was a lie that you fantasize about murdering your fellow americans?
“The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed for those exceptionally rare circumstances where all other rights have failed – where the government refuses to stand for reelection and silences those who protest; where courts have lost the courage to oppose, or can find no one to enforce their decrees. However improbable these contingencies may seem today, facing them unprepared is a mistake a free people get to make only once.” — Justice Alex Kozinski, Ninth Circuit Court, in his dissent to Silveira v. Lockyer
What the Americans want is of no concern at all. The Americans will have what their rulers decide to give them, and that is the end of the matter. Silence, peons . . . your betters speak.
Because “delay it for a year” was nothing more than an obvious ploy for “Give us a 1 year extension in trying to kill it.”
So then why would Obama immediately turn around, and unilaterally (and unConstitutionally) extend it for that year (and now a year and a month, on his whim (“InsCo, just ignore the law, and I SWEARSIES to not prosecute you for it”) to just a week after the elections, and I can’t imagine WHY he would move the most punishing part of the legislation to after his midterms, can you?)? Are you accusing Obama of being a secret Tea Party member? Or are you still asserting that the President has the unilateral authority to rewrite legislation to suit his political needs?
You can’t double the sand in the gears and claim that nothing has changed.
Repetition is not evidence, liar. Is that too tough for you to follow?
I think it’s time we separate the men from the boys.
Game on.
hellomynameissteve says November 22, 2013 at 10:40 am
Steve appears to have forgotten the subsequent offers from the house that delayed the Ocare individual mandate for a year. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52009#comment-1036057
Because “delay it for a year” was nothing more than an obvious ploy for “Give us a 1 year extension in trying to kill it.” You guys showed your hand when you voted to repeal or defund 40+ times. There’s no way you were just going to sit silently and just let it go into effect in a year.
Next!
– See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=52009#comments
It seems to be auguring in on the wings of your party’s incompetence.
You aren’t bothered by, ” We have to pass it to know what’s in it.”?
Obstruction in the Senate? Ohnoes! Why, everybody knows the Senate has NEVAH!!! had rules for open-ended debate, like that’s what it was for, and shit.
Next somebody will claim the Senate is some kind of DELIBERATIVE body.
Dude, get over yourself. Ask google and ye shall receive.
We voted to defund or repeal DOMA 40+ times and then shut the government down to get rid of it, and then tried really hard to default on obligations to get rid of it? ‘Cause we didn’t.
Aren’t you the guys that are constantly pointing out how a republic works? If you don’t like what they do, vote in new people.
BTW, Obama said he’d do Obamacare, and he got elected, and he got Obamacare passed, and he got re-elected.
The Americans clearly voiced from the first day to this that they do not want ClownDisasterCare. They have been studiously ignored the entire time, and never more so than the present. But silence, peons . . . your betters speak.
“Aren’t you the guys that are constantly pointing out how a republic works?”
You don’t appear to have been listening.
Because “delay it for a year” was nothing more than an obvious ploy for “Give us a 1 year extension in trying to kill it.” You guys showed your hand when you voted to repeal or defund 40+ times. There’s no way you were just going to sit silently and just let it go into effect in a year.
Efforts to kill it are going to continue until it is dead or mutated to something much better than the current onion of fail. The year delay would have helped your fearless leader, if he had had the executive experience to realize that the Ocare wasn’t ready for prime time. But he didn’t, so he failed to grab the vine the House was foolish enough to swing in his direction.
But it was worth “shutting the government down” in the way designed to inflict as much pain as possible to prevent a 1 year delay that Fearless Leader has attempted to accomplish by fiat mere weeks afterwards. Brill!
Dude, get over yourself. Ask google and ye shall receive.
Then get on it. Look up “burden of proof” while you’re at it, liar.
We voted to defund or repeal DOMA 40+ times and then shut the government down to get rid of it, and then tried really hard to default on obligations to get rid of it?
No, actually, Obama took on the mantle of the Supreme Court, and unilaterally declared it “unconstitutional”, despite it having survived that challenge in the REAL court, and ordered Eric Holder to refuse to defend it in court. (Also known as “faithfully execute” in the progressive lexicon.)
Aren’t you the guys that are constantly pointing out how a republic works?
Yes, but what Obama and Reid are doing is NOT. Thanks for noticing the difference.
BTW, Obama said he’d do Obamacare, and he got elected, and he got Obamacare passed, and he got re-elected.
See also “President Asterisk” and point out who has been punished for the IRS scandal.
BTW, Obama said he’d do Obamacare, and he got elected, and he got Obamacare passed, and he got re-elected.
Steve appears to think that “bait and switch” is a Good Thing.
Let me know when you need to buy a car.
TheClownDisaster hardly campaigned on a massive top-down overhaul of one sixth of the US economy, nope. He campaigned on empty mysticisms like “Hope” and “Change” and “I’m a black guy!”. C’mon, let’s be honest about this stinking pile of shit.
Since last it was reported, less than 80% of the public has either not checked into Ocare or has no intention of doing so.
Otherwise known as voting the idea down and out.
TheClownDisaster hardly campaigned on a massive top-down overhaul of one sixth of the US economy
Actually, he was campaigning on Mitt Romney giving a guy’s wife cancer, a racist rock at a place once visited by Mitt as a child, and “Binders of women”.
He started a war without congressional authorization, blamed the death of his ambassador in Benghazi on a YouTube video, had the IRS sabotaging the opposition and had his Executive Departments covering up bad news, with the collusion of the Democrat Party’s Public Relations Department (aka MSM).
Imagine what his poll numbers would be without the full body flak jacket that is the media wrapped around him.
Hahahahahaha
He actually said those words. “I’m a black guy.” I remember it. Every campaign stop. “Thank you. God bless you. God bless America, Hope, Change, and I’m a black guy.”
Um, it had already passed when he ran for a second term. You think no one noticed?
And it turns out Obama was right, it was unconstitutional. So saith the supreme court. Do you need me to look it up for you, or can you google that ruling yourself?
Ah. Good times. I have some friends who’s halloween costume was a binder full of women.
Your team has no intention of improving it. The choices are make this work administratively or go back to the suck-ass way it was before. I’ll take make this work. The roll-out’s a disaster, but I doubt the actual policy is going to be unpopular. The people will decide in 2014.
It’s easy to get something declared unconstitutional when the authority that is required to defend its constitutionality, unilaterally declines to do so.
The way it was when people could afford the medical coverage they wanted, you call “suck-ass.”
Why do you hate freedom, hellomynameisadolf?
5.5% unemployment and tax cuts?
Give me more of that.
Actually, he was campaigning on Mitt Romney giving a guy’s wife cancer, a racist rock at a place once visited by Mitt as a child, and “Binders of women”
That’s not possible, unless he was futurecasting, since his opponent was Jolly John McCain.
” Because “delay it for a year” was nothing more than an obvious ploy for ”
No, it’s simply proof that you are full of shit, ignorant, or both ignorant AND full of shit.
Aren’t you the guys that are constantly pointing out how a republic works? If you don’t like what they do, vote in new people.
BTW, Obama said he’d do Obamacare, and he got elected, and he got Obamacare passed, and he got re-elected.
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It looks like when people found out what is in it, they don’t want any part of it.
Since it as attempt to control a market by adding another level of bureaucracy between buyer and seller, prices have no other option than to increase. As is being borne out every day this national fiasco unfolds. Improving a website isn’t going to change that.
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“go back to the suck-ass way it was before”
When the “solution” sucks worse than the previous “problem” and people realize that the “solution” was sold with a horrible lie told by a bunch of loopy fuckups then YES people want their old problem back instead of some hyper shitty mess passed off as a “solution” by fucking clueless faux-educated imbeciles like Steve.
“Ah. Good times. I have some friends who’s halloween costume was a binder full of women.”
Yeah it sounds like something that would fascinate a dumb shit.
And it turns out Obama was right, it was unconstitutional.
Funny how he got to decide that all on its own, isn’t it? How are those bananas tasting?
Do you need me to look it up for you, or can you google that ruling yourself?
Yes, show the ruling that Barack was relying on to make that statement, because at that time, it wasn’t, and I think his DoJ’s failure to actively defend it may have had quite a bit to do with the subsequent ruling that you are crowing about. So, let’s do the same thing. “Obamacare is unconstitutional, and shall no longer be followed by American citizens.”
Now we just wait for the SCOTUS to follow suit.
Prove me wrong.
Your team has no intention of improving it.
Your team has no intention of improving it, either. But since it was passed without a single Republican voting for it, the burden lies entirely on you. And all those GOPers who were predicting disaster after disaster? They have been proven right, time after time.
Why would Obama be putting off sections of his law, if not to delay the pain? And why wouldn’t he sign up for it himself, if it is so great?
That’s not possible, unless he was futurecasting, since his opponent was Jolly John McCain.
Not in the 2012 reelection, sdferr.
The choices are make this work administratively or go back to the suck-ass way it was before. I’ll take make this work.
Then make it work, dumbass. Good luck with that. Can’t wait for the next version…
Tick-tock, Slappy…
“He actually said those words. “I’m a black guy.” I remember it. Every campaign stop. “Thank you. God bless you. God bless America, Hope, Change, and I’m a black guy.”
The funny thing is that he STILL IS Steve.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/barack-obama-to-college-grads-im-a-black-man/
I guess his groupies forget sometimes due to their limited attention spans.
Not in the 2012 reelection, sdferr
Sure, but you quoted me when I was strictly referring to the 2007-8 campaign prior to the passage of ClownDisasterCare, so. . . let’s get it straight.
sorry, I thought I was referring to the reelection, and the reference to Romney and the events of that election cycle should have made it clear. I will endeavor to insult Slappy more accurately in the future.
The funny thing is that he STILL IS Steve.
Don’t forget the whole “If Trayvon had had a son, he would have looked like me” fiasco…
Too, there was a generally unnoticed goofy speech in Philadelphia which was all about pointing to “a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe”, but that’s in no way about his being a black guy.
Nowadays, the old lady might make a nice target for a knockout game player.
The police acted stupidly. People are getting worried about the rising price of Arugala at their whole foods. Corpse-men. Eat your peas. 57 states. Lower the oceans. Bitterly clinging to god and guns. Etc.
But Trayvon wasn‘t one of those.
Obama is black? No way — we would have heard.
“Nowadays, the old lady might make a nice target for a knockout game player.”
I keep the phillips head screw driver of my pocket leather-man tool locked-outward for just such an occasion. Sadly the days when I could carry a backpack with a geology hammer in it inconspicuously are over.
“Obama is black? No way — we would have heard.”
If his popularity drops much lower you might start to hear about how he is half white a lot more.
Obamacare was passed in the wake of the 2008 election in which it was not a policy that was run on. He campaigned then on the smoke, mirrors, and myths as sdferr said.
In 2012, when O-care could have been an issue, it was blunted by the choice, by the establishment “Rs,” of a candidate whose fingerprints could be seen as on O-care too. Likely they and their “D” counterparts saw that as a feature.
Reid’s action is to protect what they have built so far and allow for much more in the next three years. He/they have sown their seeds and expect a bumper crop of power. What actually will emerge from this earth remains to be seen.
“Um, it had already passed when he ran for a second term. You think no one noticed? ”
The change in polling numbers and the democrats in congress suddenly avoiding selling the program once it started to be implemented, and sudden offers to delay it until after the election in 2014 STRONGLY indicate that no one noticed THEN. In fact awareness polls around the time of the shutdown that you think America is still deeply focused on, were showing that a hell of a lot of people didn’t know that Obamacare had passed at all.
Then there was the promise to ramp-up the war in Afghanistan, the good place (y’know, the landlocked place) to hold the frontline in the war on something or other. And huzzah! Having lost that war, we can now get the hell out of the quagmire with honor, and the Afghans can go back to being ruled by the Taliban.
“What actually will emerge from this earth remains to be seen.”
I’m hoping a policy of petulant treaty nullification by fiat non-enforcement as red meat to call off “tea party types” becomes fashionable.
And that was a terrible thing to say because….????
Man, it just drives you guys nuts doesn’t it? Guess what, we’ll have a hispanic president some day too, and on a few occasions he or she will talk a little about being hispanic. There will be a woman in the white house some day too, and (gasp) she’ll mention being a woman.
(shudder)
It’s pitiful how badly you want to live in the past. If there were some way to grant you that wish, I surely would.
Except for the 40 million Americans who couldn’t afford medical coverage, but you’ve got yours so fuck them, right?
Better it should be 120 million Americans who can’t afford mandated health care insurance, because the rulers say it’s better. And anyone can guess, the elements of care will vastly improve as the former workers in the sector flee for their lives.
“And that was a terrible thing to say because….????”
Already forgot what we were talking about Steve?
“Except for the 40 million Americans who couldn’t afford medical coverage, but you’ve got yours so fuck them, right? ”
Yet more bullshit.
And that was a terrible thing to say because….????
Because it was racially divisive? And not to mention untrue, unless his son was a drugged-out criminal with a penchant for picking fights.
But it was offered as evidence for Obama’s repeated use of race as an issue, in direct contradiction of your assertion. Which means you are lying. Again.
Except for the 40 million Americans who couldn’t afford medical coverage
Funny how Slappy (and the other morons among the Dems) conflate “coverage” with “care”, and ignore the millions of illegals who used the system without actually paying any bills, and those bills had to be paid by someone, which involves passing the costs on to those who can afford it.
Put a stop to the illegal immigration and the costs of medical care (especially among the southern border States) would drop dramatically. And all by actually ENFORCING the laws we already have, not a fascist takeover of 1/6 of our economy.
The truth about the 40 million trope:
http://www.enttoday.org/details/article/531807/A_Myth_of_Modern_Medicine_There_are_40_million_Americans_with_No_Access_to_Healt.html
“Just where did this 40 million number come from anyway? Who are these Americans with no health insurance? Most people think of the elderly, the disabled, and the indigent. However, physicians realize that these groups of people are insured through Medicare and Medicaid. As it turns out, the 40 million people quoted as being the uninsured in America are a very heterogeneous, fluid, and constantly changing group. The 40 million number is also misleading.
The 40 million people quoted as being the uninsured in America are a very heterogeneous, fluid, and constantly changing group. The 40 million number is also misleading.
In May 2003, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) published a paper on the uninsured, which revealed that between 39 and 42.6 million people lack health insurance at a specific point in time during the year. However, the CBO paper also reports that one-half to two-thirds of these people had health-care insurance during other parts of the year. Forty-five percent were lacking insurance coverage for less than four months.”
“Confession time. I have been among the 40 million uninsured Americans-several times. In the years 1986, 1992, 1994, 1995, and 2000 I would have been included among the 40 million uninsured Americans for at least part of the year. It sounds outright scandalous that a physician would be among the uninsured for 5 of the last 20 years. That’s one out of every four years without health insurance!
So a little explanation here-I was between jobs. As in the case of most Americans, I had my health insurance coverage through my employer. Each time you leave a job, you are among the uninsured until starting your new job.”
“Well, what about the other 20 million or so Americans who go without health insurance for more than four months? The vast majority of this group can be separated into four categories: Medicaid undercount, Medicaid eligible, illegal aliens, and non-believers.
The CBO reported that the surveys of the uninsured undercount Medicaid enrollment by 4 to 5 million Americans. These individuals are erroneously classified as uninsured. This 4 to 5 million does not include those who are Medicaid eligible who have never had the need for any significant health service and consequently have never enrolled in Medicaid. For these people, Medicaid provides a form of conditional coverage. Such people can apply for Medicaid at the time they obtain care and receive retroactive coverage for their expenses. Nearly 3 million children fell into this category, which represents approximately one-third of the uninsured children.
The number of illegal aliens in this country has been estimated to be at least 10 million and they are overwhelmingly among those without health insurance. A recent study by the Center for Immigration Studies of immigrants from Mexico (no distinction was made whether they were legal or illegal immigrants) who have been in the US for less than 10 years demonstrated that 62.9% were uninsured. Illegal immigrants have been estimated to represent anywhere from 25% to 43% of the uninsured population.
The growth in the uninsured can be traced to the growth in the illegal alien population. The Center for Immigration Studies’ analysis of Census Bureau data demonstrates that almost three-fourths of the increase in the uninsured population over the last 15 years is due to immigrants and their children.
Finally, 4 to 5 million of the uninsured Americans in the CBO study stated that they did not have health insurance because they did not need health insurance or they did not believe in health insurance. This is not an unreasonable position if you are either very wealthy, or very healthy and poor. After all, do you think it makes economic sense for Bill Gates or Warren Buffet to purchase health insurance? Or did it make sense for me to buy health insurance when I was a medical student, had no income, and had a negative net worth?”
Fuck them? No, just cover them for free when they enter any emergency room in the country.
How many of that 40M ‘uncovered’ are actually going to be able to afford the premiums, then meet the deductibles? Since Barky can’t figure out how to create jobs, looks like they stay screwed.
But, dumb sheep who are easily Community Organized by a slick liar did vote their herder back in power. Until he leaves office in 2016. Then who’s your siren? Shrillary? Let’s see that broomstick navigator thrill Barky’s rubes.
Obamacare is ” OMG buddy! You have a piece of shit in your mouth. Let’s get that out of there and fix that for you. ” Then he shoves six newpieces of shit in the guy’s mouth and takes $500 out of his wallet. When the guy protests he says ” Hey! You wanna go back to have a single piece of shit in your mouth? “
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And they still don’t have insurance.
How far out have they pushed the due date now?
Care to address the economics? How exactly are these “markets” supposed to work?
And what about all those people who have lost the coverage Barcky PROMISEDTOTALLYSWEARSIES (Period) that they would get to keep?
Only 5% of the population, so fuck them, right?
So if the homosexual population only amounts to 5% of the population, we get to write laws that screw them over any way we like, right? Isn’t that what “majority rules” and “already written legislation” means to you, Slappy? I can’t wait until the pendulum swings the other way.
Oh, and the exchange here in California is bragging that they signed up 80,000 people.
Meanwhile, 1.1 million have lost their coverage, with millions more to come. Good thing none of those million-plus people will get sick or injured next year, isn’t it? And those illegals are just RUSHING for the sign-up sheets, too, since they are a driving factor behind high health care costs here.
Squid – you forget the ransom note attached to those house bills – repeal or defund Obamacare. a.k.a. already passed legislation.
So we have a monstrous ACA that is hated by about two-thirds of Americans, that was only sold in the first place through egregious lying and abuse of the legislative process, and it’s the House of Representatives that’s out of order because they’re trying to put things right? The people elected to get rid of this festering boil on Harry Reid’s ass are somehow to blame for trying to get rid of this festering boil? You’re fucking loopy, friend.
You can’t expect to be taken seriously when you chronically leave out the most important part.
The most important part is that the House offered you 99% of what you wanted, and merely put a year’s delay on the other 1%, and you still shut down the government over it, and you’re still trying to blame the responsible grownups for the behavior of your petulant god-king and his leprous lackey in the Senate. I’d like you to take a few moments to meditate on just how little I care whether people like you take me seriously. Hell, I’m a recovering physicist, and even I have trouble comprehending quantities that infinitesimal.
The homosexual population only amounts to 5% of the population
Actually it’s more like 2%, but we have to move heaven and earth to change all the laws for the fairness.
Those 5% who lost their insurance policies? Fuck them. I mean, those policies were sub-standard and stuff.
Get over it.
Fuck their votes too. Because government shutdown y’all!
death spiral news
Most Signing Up through Exchanges in Calif. Are Over 45
America! Fuck yeah!
Steve?
Steve,
You are way over your head with this crowd. Red herrings, strawmen and non sequitors may play for convincing arguments over at the Dummy underarm but you are just embarrasing yourself here.
“Hell, I’m a recovering physicist,”
Oh ye of the spherical chicken presumption…
Damn, Danger,. You’ll ruin all the fun.
I don’t have a problem with his black half. I luuuurve his black half and I want it to marry my sister that I don’t have.
It’s his white half I want to see impeached and ousted and frog-marched off to federal pound-you-in-the-Biden prison. But unfortunately there’s never a malfunctioning transporter around when you need one to turn Frank Gorshin into Lou Antonio and vice versa.
Hellomynameissteve, you keep talking about “Your Team” and “My Team” as if that rahrah team BULLSHIT is supposed to mean shit one. When it comes to “Teams”, mine is Liberty, Freedom, Constitutional government, and the Rule of Law, of which you and your Democrat bosses are completely on the opposite side of, along with a good part of the Republicans. So fuck off you smarmy little fascist douchbag.
Don’t worry Mueller, Steve isn’t programed to accept good advice. He’ll be back with a new/ retread batch of lefty talking points to test out soon enough.
” I don’t have a problem with his black half.”
It’s his pinko half that is fucking everything up. I don’t care about his race. I just notice how much he and his pissant followers like to bring it up while ignoring his fabian school tantrums and economic illiteracy.
Herman Kane is black and he’d have made a far better president that former agitator Senator Present has.
But I guess democrats don’t like having presidents who actually worked for a living instead of riding the astroturf bus to power via outrage road and stupid avenue.
This is just a drive by post to mention the fact that the “most filibusters that have ever have happened have been during this administration” is appearing on other blogs.
It’s the new talking point the leftists are pushing out.
When he really tough questions are brought up Steve takes a hike.
He has convictions, but no courage of them.