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i love how this piece of shit feels superior to illegal immigrants
that’s so America
Without watching the video, I can’t determine if she is also a single mother of three — which would make for a perfecta.
Seems a good place to link again Harvey Mansfield’s essay: Self-Interest Rightly Understood
Which speaks of a thing that also used to be America.
*** The “rightly understood” in the phrase expresses a hope that the necessary corrections to the doctrine can be found within it, so that it becomes in your interest to act against your interest wrongly understood. Ties of interest can easily lead, through the “passion for material well-being,” to the dependence on government that Tocqueville sees as a feature of individualism. Yet the chief of one’s interests is to remain one’s own master. Can interest be tied to independence without the aid of a principle outside itself, either quasi-aristocratic honor or religion? Perhaps it cannot, and the doctrine of interest must be content with the status of a partial truth. ***
McGehee
I can’t either … the hosts ask about her “husband” working at about the 2 minute work.
She makes a very good case for another round of welfare reform. Of course, Teh Won undid most if not all of what had been done with welfare reform during Clinton’s presidency.
To be fair, Bush 43 undid a lot of the farm assistance reform enacted under Clinton.
I welcome the SMoD.
The roots of the contention that “morality is for suckers” go way back, and can be seen in the arguments of Thyrasymachus in Plato’s Republic, as well as in Critias’ arguments in Pl.’s Gorgias. Those arguments emerge from the private context of those works into the public context of an open political contention in Machiavelli’s work, to be taken up after him by his ally Hobbes (and others, who are possibly more discrete), who founds modern natural right theory. They become a fundamental part of our own ways — though it seems to me that we mostly prefer to ignore or deny that here in America, yet we do so at our peril.
Pardon: my bad memory — not Critias (who isn’t there), but Callicles in the Gorgias.
I remember seeing one of the talking heads on the “gotta get the story” news programs talking with a trio of women in New Orleans after Katrina – grandmother, mother and adult daughter – and all three were expressing concern over whether the devastation would delay them each getting their welfare checks on time.
Safety hammock, indeed.
This person is exemplar of why this Republic has failed. Her complete lack of shame and remorse is contemptible.
What’s worse? the people and the political Party(ies) that take advantage of her (and others with her mindset) ignorance and stupidity for their own advantage. ‘Community Organiziers’ harvest these sad sacks knowing all the while that doing so is bringing this Republic to it’s culmination, for lack of economic sustainability.
Don’t blame her; blame her herders and keepers.
Oh, and KLBJ. One of the architects we can blame. Then most of the highly-influential Democrats from McGovern to Obama, all spreading the immoral gospel of Marx.
“Morality is for suckers” used to be limited to “…until somebody you screwed over turns out not to be intimidated by your position or rank.”
Then the people of position and rank banned the Code Duello.
“happyfeet says November 9, 2013 at 11:26 am
i love how this piece of shit feels superior to illegal immigrants
that’s so America ”
Why do you hate women so much Happy? Why do you want them to suffer in labor camps and live a life of deprivation and misery? Why don’t you want to see them free and happy and relaxed? What’s wrong with you sicko? No wonder people hate you and disrespect you. You’re a misogynistic worm.
hoochie better work!
work it girl
give us a twirl
i said work!
now turn to the left
and… work
now turn to the right
sashay chantay bitch
Happyfeet is the new KKK.
dry lightning cracks across the skies those storm clouds gather in her eyes
Go home hamsterboy, you’re drunk.
Look, she’s rational. Not moral, but she’s looks at the situation presented and is acting accordingly. This is the perverse side of giving out a helping hand to the needy. How do you help those in need without enabling those who would accept living off of the largess of the system? A question as old as time.
I appreciated listening to this woman explain the situation. We need to figure out a way to help those that need a boost without enabling a lifetime of dependency. I don’t have the answers but I think a good start would be a defined limit of 1 year maximum. You can get help, but it only lasts one year. Period. No redos, no help down the road. Food stamps should be limited severely to buying FOOD items only, and restricted from buying all crap they qualify for now.
Yes, RobM, and only food staples: potatoes, sacks of rice and flour, milk, eggs, corn flakes, cheese &c. No frozen pizzas.
If one cannot work for food, one can at least work to prepare their free meals.
. . . she looks at the situation presented . . .
This is only so in a very limited and artificially circumscribed sense — she only bothers to look at a tiny part of the situation, contenting herself to think little to nothing about the whole situation (which whole situation isn’t in any way denied to her, though the elements of the whole may seem [if only seem because the whole is ignored] very far from entanglement in her present, even when the whole is right there in front of her embodied in the things she takes) — since, “Why,” she might be thinking, “should I have to look at the whole situation in order to better know what is good for me to do, when to accept and when to abstain?”
A brief example: “Have a pill,” says an acquaintance who has previously been happy to share his pills with a thoughtless pill-popper — and being used to popping pills with him, the thoughtless pill-popper doesn’t bother to find out what this new pill is and simply downs it with an expectation of a few hours euphoria . . . and, should the new pill happen to be laced with poison? Oh well, c’est la vie, ou la mort — nothing more was required. This, we might say, is not rational, or only very partially rational and mostly not rational. We might even call it altogether something else. Like stupid, or lazy, or habitual ignorance.
i had a Real Life Food Stamp Moment today
I was walking home from Coffee Bean and this hooch says hi can I ask you a question
I’ll dispense with the description suffice to say she was nasty
she says I got a food stamp card yesterday and when I checked it it was empty and
and
then I gave her my gesture what says talketh not to me, food stamper, and I continued on my journey home, sipping my non-fat latte thoughtfully
non-fat latte
have you tried a non-fat christie?
ain’t no such thang not with a million food stamps
California is a third-world hellhole punctuated with a couple of feet’s Coffee Beaneries and, of course, Death Valley.
sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/08/thieves-charged-with-cutting-off-marijuana-dispensary-owners-penis/
How does that happen? Silly smartphone
http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/08/thieves-charged-with-cutting-off-marijuana-dispensary-owners-penis/
i stopped going to starbucks cause it got so gay and weird and intrusive
“hoochie better work!
work it girl
give us a twirl
i said work!
turn to the left
and… work
now turn to the right
sashay chantay bitch”
No more Britney for you!
“Why,” she might be thinking, “should I have to look at the whole situation in order to better know what is good for me to do, when to accept and when to abstain?”
But, sdferr, sometimes that “bigger picture” isn’t “good” for her in the short term. She has been told her life is all there is, that she is the most important person in it, and why should she get up, fight traffic, work at a job that will sometimes be boring or hard or ….
Why should she when she can be content with all the “free stuff” Big Daddy Gov will give her? It is her right to receive those things. And if it makes a worse society somewhere down the line, she won’t be here to see it, SO WHAT?
hah I haven’t seen the new britney yet but for sure this weekend i will
I understand she dusted off the British accent for this one.
Maybe she caught it kissing Madonna again.
i’m so glad pw has a “britney”
Madonna sort of ruined it for all new pop stars. Everything they do is about as edgy as a bowling ball.
@ RobM: When I was young (and I’m not that old) the folks where I lived had the notion of the deserving poor vs. the underserving poor. Everybody knew who the actually needy were and everybody knew who the good for nothings were and all the churches, associations, charitable organizations and mutual aid societies managed their charitable giving accordingly. The act of charity established a reciprocal relationship where any aid or money given to the needy-because-of-their-own-bad-habits types were expected to provide time and labor to some worthy local project or to pay back the aid once they found work. These people would not receive unconditional aid on an ongoing basis.
Attempting what you are suggesting would probably cause suffering amongst the actual needy because carried out nationally the scope is just too large, there would be no face-to-face with people other than through bureaucrats whose jobs would rest on the continuation of welfare. The other assumption is that the Feds want it to end when the original goal was to turn people into dependents.
We’ve crossed a threshold in the last 50 years and I’m not sure we can go back. The welfare state has destroyed most of the old charitable associations which existed by the hundreds across the U.S.. I believe this was purposeful and I believe the Federal government has no intention of slowing this down as it is the easiest way for the regressives in particular to maintain their voter base. It’s one of the things that gives me a big sad cause the only way it ends is in bankruptcy as it is unsustainable.
*** “I have no love for this government,” said Gabriela Campo, 33, a businesswoman, hoping to take home a cut-price television and fridge. “They’re doing this for nothing but political reasons, in time for December’s elections.” ***
Venezuela is a bellwether once again.
I was just thinking as I was driving home today about how long until we are forced into a command and control economy.
Juan Williams just said that young people who don’t need comprehensive health coverage and who were not bothering with Zero-Care were “Free Riders” I guess he forgot that what is an outrageous crime to a commie or a union admin is not so frightening or controversial to everyone else in America. It took him almost ten wild eyed seconds to figure out why no one was helping him boo the free riders who did not fulfill their mandatory obligation to the supposedly optional collective entity that they dared reject, the ingrates!
Someone should kick that embarrassing boob off of Fox. Let him find himself out looking for a real job in this “paradise” he’s rooted for and defends.
Ol’ neighbor Juan, just like Lucy the caller, has no skin, black or otherwise, committed to the coercive game enforcing his selected morality. He, no more than will Lucy, will not plan and execute a breaking and entering theft in order to take his neighbor’s stuff which he desires — and as Lucy makes clear, why should he (or she), since they have the strong hand of government to takes these risks of life and limb for them?
So, whose morality is it now, Lucy? Why, how about that! It’s yours.
Brit Hume figuratively kicked him in the nuts, though. “As Free Men, Juan . . .”
Ol’ Juan looked puzzled, bless his heart.
Two random bits. Saw this over in the Gun Thread at AOS. Black guy (repectable citizen, worked in IT) in Tulsa, OK shot a friend-of-a-friend (life-long violent criminal) at Thanksgiving dinner in his (the shooter’s) house, after things turned unpleasant.
Claimed self-defense, the cops and/or the DA didn’t believe him, and finally 4 years later he’s had his trial and been acquitted. Of course, in the interim, he’s lost his job and gone $100K in debt, what with legal fees and not having a job and all.
It’s lovely the way the system is set up to say “no, no, keep and bear all the arms you’d like, 2nd amendment and all, and this is one of the good red states!” but the second you use one of those nasty things for one of their intended purposes, the State can enact a terrible punishment, innocent or not, as they see fit.
Meanwhile, cops can shoot anybody for pretty much any reason, and if they’re exceptionally unlucky, they might lose their job over it. But probably not.
—–
We’ve seen the various stories about how (apparently) they’re no longer teaching kids how to write in cursive these days, what with all the computers and the typing and the rock and roll and hula hoops… a thought that struck me is that (unless I’m confused in some way, which wouldn’t be the first time), such children will never have “a signature”; presumably all they can do is print their names in block letters.
Now perhaps the days of signatures as proof of identity are going the way of the aforementioned rock and roll, but still – checks, car purchases, credit card slips, home purchases – there are any number of things that can be trivially forged if the person in question can’t do a continuous cursive signature of some sort.
There must be more to that story, John. There are self-defense shootings in Tulsa all the time and most of them aren’t prosecuted.
There was a young woman in one of the Boondocks areas around Tulsa who shot and killed intruders while on the phone with 911, last year. She wasn’t prosecuted.
There’s a job for anyone, but there’s not a job for everyone.
When you are not able to find a job, then invent your own. When I was still in junior high school, we were just scraping by, so I collected enough bottles and cans to buy some red felt, some cotton batting, and a roll of lace, and sewed Valentine’s Day pin cushions to sell at school.
Of course, in today’s progressive societies, where Unca Sugar demands his cut and permits from the health department for corner lemonade stands, I would probably be arrested for Entrepreneurial Behavior in the First Degree.
Indeed, Drum. Economic adversity breeds entrepreneurship.
I had a sewing machine and sewed costumes and did alterations for ladies and gents.
Yes, for everyone for whom there’s no job, they can simply invent their way out of it. Sure, most of them would starve, but some would surely make it.
What’s your suggestion Einstein?
Necessity is the mother of invention. Aesop said so.
Um, a safety net.
But what’s yours? Lets say there’s 20 million people that physically could work but aren’t.
And there’s 5 million jobs.
What’s your solution? Entrepreneur! 90% of businesses fail in the first year, so let’s see – 13 million people starve, I guess. Liberty!
they can simply invent their way out of it.
or get off their ass and go knock on some doors
No one is starving. Look at all the fatasses there are around the country. We have the richest “poor” people in the world. We live in a country where the poor people are fat.
My answer? Make government GTFO of the way. Abolish the IRS, I mean hey, it’s like exactly 100 years old. Stop coddling people and giving them shit.
I spent the last month or two splitting wood and stacking it so we don’t freeze to death this winter because we don’t get any free shit. So fuck off, steve.
Look, “steve” v.3.27.8 is back! Isn’t it just too precious!
Isn’t he? I wonder how much money a high roller like him has donated to the disaster relief in the Philippines? Now, those people are starving and homeless.
Put your money where your mouth is you jagoff.
‘steve’, how’s thar Oregon sign-up going?
http://seattle.cbslocal.com/2013/11/11/oregon-health-care-exchange-has-yet-to-enroll-a-single-person/
leigh, no one is starving because of all these government programs that you hate so much. If you took all those away, you think they could all survive by chopping wood? In, for example. Salt Lake City?
Government programs encourage dependency. Charitable giving is generous and needs directed and also can require that if you are a heavy participant that you contribute your labor in some way. Government lets you lie on the couch, eat Cheetos and channel-surf.
Which healthcare plan did you pick? How awesome is it? Were those estimates accurate or a pack of lies? Is that why you haven’t signed up yet?
Penn Jillette said it best:
http://i.imgur.com/81Xr73k.png
Lets say there’s 20 million people that physically could work but aren’t.
And there’s 5 million jobs.
Is the concept of ‘entrepreneurship’ so foreign to you? Cut lawns. Wash cars. Trim bushes. Wash houses. Offer a service to your neighbors, and then sell it hard enough to make them believe that they can’t understand how they got along without you until now.
Get off the ass and make things happen, and quit being too good to accept the first job that comes along. If it’s only part-time, then you have half your week to look for something better.
You want to know what your grandparents would have called a ‘minimum wage job’? “Opportunity”. But sometimes opportunity isn’t going to knock, and you have to go track that little bitch down and make her cough up those Benjamins all on your own. Go watch that Will Smith movie, “The Pursuit of Happyness” to get an idea of how one man took charge and changed his life.
Elbow grease + brains = $$$.
“ellomynameissteve says November 11, 2013 at 4:18 pm
leigh, no one is starving because of all these government programs that you hate so much. If you took all those away, you think they could all survive by chopping wood? In, for example. Salt Lake City?”
What does a presumed lack of wood chopping work in Salt Lake city have to do with government programs supposedly being the only thing preventing some people from starving steve? What the fuck dude? And when are YOU going to wise up that driving up the cost of labor and of starting and running a business is a big cause of the unemployment and business contraction going on right now?
But of course steve is probably one of those idiots who thinks that the government taking $8 from someone and spending $5 of it on hiring a man to dig a hole and fills it in magnifies the $8 to $64 via magic despite it funding no value adding activity and being stripped of $3 in administrative costs.
People who think the broken window fallacy is the broken window theory of economics truly astound me. (Not to be confused with the neighborhood crime broken window theory)
leigh – I’m unclear how charity solves 5 million jobs and 20 million people not working.
Drum – hahahhahahahahahaha
Your advice is to knock on doors to mow lawns and wash cars? We’re talking about someone needing to pay rent, utilities, buy groceries, clothe their children, and your solution wouldn’t even be viable for a 12 year old. Oh, and it’s late fall. Apparently you’ve never heard of car washes and landscapers. The market has finite demand for those services.
You miss one very, very basic economic fact. Unemployed people who want to “do something” don’t create demand. When we run a job posting, we get 25+ applicants for 1 job. Those businesses running ads for part time, minimum wage jobs also have more applicants than they have positions.
How do you solve the problem of 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs? Other than cut them off and let them starve, that is?
If the government would get off the potential employers ass, drop taxes, simplify regulations, privative things it sucks at, and stop trying to cut food and energy production to save river smelts and stop anthropophallic global changenization then the unemployment situation would improve and wages and prices would find an equilibrium.
But instead they prefer shitting out free digital money, increasing taxes to increase revenues (often it shrinks revenue as the enconomy slows and toughens and people fall our of business), raising employment costs, and then crushing people under expensive catastrophic health insurance at comprehensive rates, while fixing health care prices and guaranteeing reduced innovation and shortages of service and personnel.
But you do what Europe does and you end up with Europe’s scars and shame.
” How do you solve the problem of 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs? Other than cut them off and let them starve, that is?”
Raise taxes, and regulations while passing out stimulus of course, and nationalize some stuff so you can run it even worse and come up with endless lame excuses and fake statistics to hide the trend towards the shit. If by “solve” you mean “exacerbate”…
How do you solve the problem of 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs?
Get the Democrats out of power would be a good first step, and getting government out of the way would be a necessary second step.
Why do you suppose there aren’t more jobs out there? When government sets the minimum cost of labor (through minimum wage laws and mandated benefits packages, etc.), and that cost is higher than the value added to the business through improved production, businesses don’t hire, and go out of business/into bankruptcy. When there is no way to get rid of bad employees, businesses respond by not hiring anyone.
Government is the problem, not the solution. Get it out of the way and see how much growth can exist.
Steve watches his rceommendations cause things to get worse and then calls for more of it and faster and more intense because lib-logic.
Remember how many people starved under Clinton’s welfare reforms Steve?
increasing taxes to increase revenues (often it shrinks revenue as the enconomy slows and toughens and people fall our of business)
And Obama admitted that he truly didn’t care whether (as happened so many times in the past) higher tax rates result in lowered tax revenues, Obama’s explanation was that it was “for the fairness”.
Remember how many people starved under Reagan’s tax cuts Steve?
‘If the government doesn’t feed the people then they can’t get fed any other way’ says the fucking idiot as the government recruits more and more people to bloat the EBT rolls.
If you like your middle class you can keep it. Period.
http://i.imgur.com/Z6Gw66I.jpg
That’s just false. You can look it up. I know it’s a cornerstone of your belief system that cutting taxes increases revenue, and raising taxes reduces revenue, but it’s SO empirically false at anything near current rates. See: laffer curve.
The economy does better and more jobs are created under Democratic presidents than Republican ones, but don’t let pesky facts get in the way. Go on…
One can’t really survive on minimum wage without government assistance already, so it’s hard to see how eliminating the safety net and letting wages falls makes things better. There are few things in economics that have been studied more than the employment effects of minimum wages. The results are universal, raising the minimum wage has a very tiny effect on the amount of total employment. Again, you trot out a mantra that is supported by NO empirical evidence.
Look, in your world, if you can’t earn enough to live, you don’t live. Just admit it. That’s my biggest problems with conservatives is that they’re such cowards when it comes to being OK with the ramifications of their policies.
Drum, thank you for agreeing with your imgur.
Because you know what happens when there’s not enough jobs (things to hunt or scavenge) for the bears? They starve.
That’s just false. You can look it up.
Boy, won’t your face be red when you see this (the 2008 Philly debate):
http://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/2008_Dems_Philly_Tax_Reform.htm
Emphasis for the hard of thinking mine.
You are either a liar or a fool. Possibly both.
The economy does better and more jobs are created under Democratic presidents than Republican ones, but don’t let pesky facts get in the way.
I won’t, as soon as you actually produce them. Because that statement was chock-full of your usual bullshit. It was under a Democratic President that the term “Misery Index” was coined (and with good reason). Clinton cannot take credit for the economic growth that happened, because it was the GOP-run House that balanced the budget (the same one elected to rebuff HillaryCare), and the Internet that improved the economy. People want to credit Bill and Al for the economy, but that should be Bill Gates and Al Greenspan.
That’s my biggest problems with conservatives is that they’re such cowards when it comes to being OK with the ramifications of their policies.
You mean “balanced budgets”? Why is living within one’s means so anathema to the liberal mindset? And why shouldn’t freedom to succeed include the freedom to fail? People don’t learn how to make things better if things are never allowed to grow worse.
The results are universal, raising the minimum wage has a very tiny effect on the amount of total employment.
Then why not just raise the minimum wage to $1,000,000/hour? Everyone will be rich that way, right? I mean since being forced to pay more for labor is just money that appears out of nowhere, and it’s not like business owners need to pay for food or housing…
Why do you hate the poor so much?
” Because you know what happens when there’s not enough jobs (things to hunt or scavenge) for the bears? They starve.”
Okay. Show me the starving people in the US whenever foodstamps and welfare were cut or linked to means testing or tied to workfare programs then.
Guys, stop playing with your food.
Because you know what happens when there’s not enough jobs (things to hunt or scavenge) for the bears? They starve.
Either that, or they become more creative and start looking in places they hadn’t looked before. If they just sit around on their fat asses leeching off nature, isn’t the forest better off without the anchor of a bear who refuses to fend for itself hanging around its neck?
“Squirrels, bring me some nuts, or I’m gonna starve, and you wouldn’t want that!” Your solution is to steal even more nuts from the squirrel so the bureaucrat tasked with making sure that the bear gets fed can have some nuts too. You worry about the bear, I worry about the little squirrel who has to spend his finite time and energy collecting nuts at the point of a gun.
” That’s just false. You can look it up. I know it’s a cornerstone of your belief system that cutting taxes increases revenue, and raising taxes reduces revenue, but it’s SO empirically false at anything near current rates. See: laffer curve. ”
No, it isn’t false. Only idiots think it is. And yes, Paul Krugman is an idiot now.
” The economy does better and more jobs are created under Democratic presidents than Republican ones, but don’t let pesky facts get in the way. Go on… -”
That’s not a pesky fact. It’s total made up implausible ahistorical bullshit. Pull the other one.
” One can’t really survive on minimum wage without government assistance already, so it’s hard to see how eliminating the safety net and letting wages falls makes things better”
Minimum wage is uncommon and not intended for people to survive on. It’s entry level or training pay or part timer pay for people who have other sources of money and wish to supplement them. And reduction of the safetynet and means testing is not eliminating the safety net. Nor is federal aid the only safety net.
” Look, in your world, if you can’t earn enough to live, you don’t live. Just admit it. That’s my biggest problems with conservatives is that they’re such cowards when it comes to being OK with the ramifications of their policies.”
Your grasp of ‘my world’ is useless, utterly flawed, childlike drivel founded mostly in your own ignorance and emotionalism. Your biggest problem with conservatives is that you aren’t smart enough to even grasp what they are talking about, and you maintain your smug facade of knowledge by making up a bizarre menagerie of silly false equivalencies, straw men, false dilemmas, superficiality, mendaciously cherry picked ‘arguments’, stupid oversimplifications, wish casting, unfounded assertions, clumsy name dropping, phantom polling, and cartoonish rumors. You ignore the people who call you out on your lack of relevant knowledge and pretend that in the course of your erratic spasms you’ve somehow said something credible, profound, and substantial that they HAVE to take seriously and regard as a sort of deterministic proof of your ideological superiority. It makes you look like an ignorant chump and a clueless troll.
Sigh.
http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R40411.pdf
Again, you can look this stuff up. And, BTW, capital gains taxes are a very small chunk of total federal revenue.
But seriously, if you guys have one iota of sense, you wouldn’t run around saying “Cut taxes! The deficit is the worst thing ever!”
He’s a Democrat and Democrat evil bad never good all bad all bad bad bad 100%.
I know.
Um, none of us are living on welfare because being that poor really sucks. We all get one life, and if someone really wants to choose to have their life be that shittacular, they can have it. We have the opportunity to do something that earns us something above a survival existence, and so that’s what we do. Because working and earning enough to have stuff and not be in a perpetual state of panic is just a lot nicer way to live. This isn’t something that only you conservatives have figured out.
20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs blows a pretty big hole in your notion that people on welfare are just turning their nose up at one opportunity after another.
Because, you fucking moron, working solutions fall somewhere between ALL and NOTHING. Which is something else you conservatives fail to grasp entirely.
Paleo – what’s a safety net that you support? How’s it funded?
No drum. You’re going to want to sit down for this. They actually starve. Yogi Bear doesn’t open a lemonade stand, or (despite your brilliant solutions) offer to wash the station wagons coming through Yellowstone. He just gets weak and dies. And he might get real aggressive along the way too.
Or to rephrase:
If they just sit around on their fat asses leeching off
naturetac payers, isn’t theforestcountry better off without the anchor of abearperson who refuses to fend for itself hanging around its neck?Keep going drum, you’re getting really close to saying what you really think.
20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs blows a pretty big hole in your notion that people on welfare are just turning their nose up at one opportunity after another.
fuck you obama dick licker
But seriously, if you guys have one iota of sense, you wouldn’t run around saying “Cut taxes! The deficit is the worst thing ever!”
Cutting taxes eases the burden of the citizens who have to pay all those deficits being run up. How about we cut taxes (which increases revenues) AND cut spending at the same time? If you want to go back to Clinton-era tax rates, why not go back to Clinton-era government spending, while we are about it?
Who do you think will end up paying to repay those debts, sine you bring it up? Or are you advocating just blowing the debt off? Why do you hate the middle class?
Um, none of us are living on welfare because being that poor really sucks.
You ignore the thousands of examples of people who refuse to work because they can make more by collecting welfare, and there are generational examples, too, where welfare mom raises daughter whose only job skills are filling out government assistance applications. It is supposed to be a safety NET, not a hammock.
20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs blows a pretty big hole in your notion that people on welfare are just turning their nose up at one opportunity after another.
Yeah, I miss the low unemployment rates (5-5.5%) under Bush, too, and when you make it more expensive to hire people, businesses won’t hire, no matter how many laws are passed to make 2=3. Is that too tough for you to grasp?
>. They actually starve. <
time to shoot the zombie proggtards in the fucking head
The Who – The Real Me (Quadrophenia)
Keep going drum, you’re getting really close to saying what you really think.
Your screen would melt if I told you what I REALLY think about you. And yes, you deserve to starve if you are incapable of supporting yourself, UNLESS your neighbors wish to take on the burden of supporting you. But forcing your neighbors to subsidize your lifestyle at the point of a gun wasn’t proper when Robin Hood was doing it, and it’s no less theft when a government is doing it.
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eff u nsa
Because, you fucking moron, working solutions fall somewhere between ALL and NOTHING.
And so when you make it too expensive to hire unskilled workers, those unskilled workers get NOTHING. And if they starve, it will be because YOU have forced the government to make it happen. Not because the business couldn’t use the extra pair of hands, but solely because the business cannot hire anyone and still remain open (which will harm all of the other employees the business pays).
So that’s your solution – no one gets a raise and those most in need of the minimum-wage, experience-building jobs don’t get them. Because FAIRNESS. (And those capital-gains you are so fond of taxing is where new businesses get their capital, so those businesses never get started, and all of THOSE potential jobs never exist.)
Lose-lose-lose, and all because you hate the poor.
” Because, you fucking moron, working solutions fall somewhere between ALL and NOTHING. Which is something else you conservatives fail to grasp entirely. ”
Oh right. Steve. We fail to grasp your sophistic little kinda deep brain fart there. Right buddy. Sure.
” Paleo – what’s a safety net that you support? How’s it funded? ”
Local, personal, family, charity, state working in combination. Funded through local taxes, donations, controlled at the local level. It’s hardly a new or implausible idea steve and again, before you get excited forgetting your own obligations to support your dubious all or nothing assertions , AGAIN, WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE IN THE US WHO ACTUALLY STARVED WHEN FOODSTAMPS WERE CUT OR HAD THEIR REQUESTED INCREASE IN SPENDING REDUCED OR WERE MEANS TESTED OR WHEN SAID BENEFITS WERE OTHERWISE REDUCED, LIMITED OR LINKED TO PARTICIPATION IN EVEN A NOMINAL A WORK OR RETRAINING PROGRAM ? And why is the fed recruiting people who have jobs to go on foodtsamps even if they might not be elligible?
” Keep going drum, you’re getting really close to saying what you really think.”
That you think in dumb ‘FDR for Kindergartner’ cliches and ignore the arguments and facts that destroy your silly assertions?
hellomynameissteve is saying fat negros is starvation
you go fag
“Working solutions” that don’t work or actually solve much less improve anything are NOT working solutions. They are just variations of the sane clueless destructive bumbling by followers of an old dogma that has been discredited and shown to make false predictions multiple times both about results when in practice and when abandoned.
sane-> same
If you pull in a lot of money and hand it out to failures after eating 30% or more of it and set them to either no work or busy work that nobody wants done you don’t grow or fix the economy. You just take money out that might have been used to start new businesses and hire new people and you run out of that money eventually. And you encourage the people you took it from to make less or to jump through strange and pathological hoops to keep more of it or you get them to leave entirely so they don’t owe you anything.
As Heinlein says, this is known as ‘bad luck’. But then what does William Bradford know. Or Reagan. Or Thatcher.
Number of the Week: Why Don’t More People Want a Job?
In Entitlement America, The Head Of A Household Of Four Making Minimum Wage Has More Disposable Income Than A Family Making $60,000 A Year
In your world, if the federal government doesn’t support you, you don’t live. Just admit it.
“20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs blows a pretty big hole in your notion”
I thought Zero was going to “save or create” millions of jobs with all that stimulus money?
What happened?
We would have been better off just cutting every citizen a $16,000 check. At least we would have gotten the enjoyment of actually spending the money that Zero put on our credit cards.
Bingo.
Man, that Oregon exchange is signing people up with a remarkable consistency! Every day since October 1st they’ve signed up zero people!
I wonder if the news that the death panel is hard at work will slow down that torrid pace.
hellomynameislegion says November 12, 2013 at 5:06 am – Bingo.
That’s your big checkmate?!
Look bub, I can see this is tough for you to understand, but your great system sucks even more, even if it worked as you claim it does. A giant government takes under threat of force, and then gives as it sees fit. What is it about a federal government that can control people right down to the toilet/lightbulb/doctor they use that strikes you as such a triumph?
If government assistance is so outstanding, why am I confronted every month with new private “feed the hungry” programs when I go to the grocery store?
What’s up with these numbers?
The government isn’t solving anything, they are making everything worse. They do this in two ways:
They take from people who are productive, and reduce the producers’ ability to employ more people productively.
They enable people with wildly irresponsible and unsupportable lifestyles by feeding/paying them regardless of their essentially feral behavior, thus normalizing their generational pathology.
Your system is far more broken than ours could ever be.
Fixed.
Remember how inept Bush was at failing to rev the economy up so that we got down to 5.0% unemployment? Remember how important participation rate was back then? Remember how awful it was when the economy was failing to grow at predotcomcrash rates?
Some people have forgotten. Or, like our friend steve, have what is in effect write-only memory.
While we’re doing numbers, it’s numerically unsound to note the millions of jobs illegal immigrants are filling because no one else wants them.
Is it perhaps because welfare pays too well? No idea. But it’s funny what incentives to do people. A good guide to planning for incentive modification of behavior is to pretend that everyone is amoral and will attempt to optimize their personal circumstances without regard to what you, personally, think is right. That would get you a projection that you might think is on the pessimistic side of real, but is probably less pessimistic than you thought because people will game the incentives in ways you failed to consider.
This, I think, is one of the main failings at attempting to prop people’s lives up with government: people are fundamentally less interested in standing on their own than you’d want them to be.
s/”to note”/”to fail to take note of”
hellomynameissteve says November 12, 2013 at 5:06 am
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Bingo.
So your solution of forcing people to indefinitely subsidize the lazy, goldbrickers and malingerers at the point of a gun is somehow morally superior? To make it easier and more profitable for them NOT to work because they would make more by doing nothing is better and more productive for society than giving them the incentive to get up and move their butts.
Even in your favorite economic theory they are failing. They are under no obligation to “give according to their ability”, because you are advocating that there be no need for them to contribute, just “take according to their whims”.
No one here has any problem with a safety net, but attach it to other programs, making sure the need truly exists (should Bill Gates receive Social Security checks?), and offer training to find different work. (Or would you rather the government use its tax revenue to prop up the nation’s largest buggy-whip maker because they are “too big to fail”?)
Well. I’m guessing neither steve nor the little woman have families. Historically, families have helped each when times got tough. Now, the federal government straight arms ones relatives out of the way and onto the dole.
steve, what sort of education do you have? What was your major in college and what is your occupation today? Are they one and the same? They are not for most people. Have you ever run a business or balanced a set of books or owed money to a vendor? You are aware that minimum wages aren’t meant to be a living wage, yes? Minimum wages are for entry level unskilled jobs that any stumble bum off the street can do. Thus: they don’t pay much because they aren’t valuable employees to the employer. Anyone can sweep the floors or ring up sales or wait tables.
There are jobs aplenty out there. Sometimes you need three of them to pay the bills and feed the kids. Why are these snowflakes so special that they can’t get out and work their asses off (Lord knows they could use it) like anyone else?
College. College is a place to hang out and learn a skill, especially the vocational programs. Eleven months at Beauty College and you have a portable job that you can practice at a shop or in your home. And guess what? Due to PELL grants it’s practically free to get an Associate’s degree today. 24 months of your time and you can be a welder or an electrician or a plumber.
Why is this so hard for you?
I think it’s adorable that stevie thinks we want poor people to starve, just because we want to replace a bloated, inefficient system of federal coercion with a lean, local system that relies on charity and volunteerism and has a proven track of much better effectiveness and about 100 times the history of his preferred system.
Stevie — one quick question, if you don’t mind: Do you prefer the huge, unmanageable, out-of-control system that doesn’t work because it relieves you of the requirement to do actual charity work with your own time and money, or do you prefer it because it allows you to leech off your neighbors by filling out a form for a faceless bureaucrat, instead of having to look your neighbors in the eye and ask them for help personally? Or perhaps you prefer it because it puts millions and millions of people at the mercy of their federal food-givers, thus granting you and yours control over the lives of those you pretend to care about?
Really, stevie, because I’m curious: what is it about the horrible bloated counterproductive system we currently have that makes you such a fan?
I wonder why it is that Slaphappy thinks that the government should have a say in who wins and who loses… “Oh, you poor thing, your stubbed toe means you can’t get out your front door to find work this month? Oh, well, here’s some money from your neighbors, and they won’t mind, because I think they’ve earned enough money.”
You will note that the government Robin-Hooding it to “steal from the rich and give to the poor” starts out with STEALING. At the point of a gun held by an IRS official, no less, yet this is somehow morally superior to people making their own way in the world, come what may.
Ba haaa haaa haaa …
Stevie actually used that “food insecure” stat?
LOL.
Idiot.
This seems apropos to this discussion.
Unemployed people who want to “do something” don’t create demand. When we run a job posting, we get 25+ applicants for 1 job. Those businesses running ads for part time, minimum wage jobs also have more applicants than they have positions. –
I cry bullshit. Anyone who wants can get an entry level job right now. They must be DEPENDABLE and good workers.
Qualities which many – dare I say MOST – folks on various aid do not have.
You know how many people just don’t show up for work anymore where I work? We lose at least one employee every two weeks (at a small restaurant) because said employee preferred to get high instead of coming to work.
Of course, I should say highER because most are on drugs while working.
We own a small business, and things are pretty much similar there as well.
And yes, you deserve to starve if you are incapable of supporting yourself, UNLESS your neighbors wish to take on the burden of supporting you. But forcing your neighbors to subsidize your lifestyle at the point of a gun wasn’t proper when Robin Hood was doing it, and it’s no less theft when a government is doing it. –
Yes, you deserve to starve if you life off of the productive members of society while you sit on your fat ass and smoke pot.
Most people I have known on aid (neighbors in detroit) don’t even take care of their OWN SHIT. garbage on their lawns, don’t watch or raise their children right.
I’d even be sorta ok with it (sorta, as a safety net) if folks on welfare were 1) forced to keep the inside and outside of their homes clean 2) forced to watch, raise, and parent their children (read to them an hour per day, etc) and 3) volunteer in some way – help the elderly, etc.
But NONE of them do any of that shit. They take in every way imaginable.
They don’t even donate blood. Detroit – high in aid/welfare doesn’t have a single blood donation center.
You have to go to the burbs to donate blood.
I did, actually.
He was trumpeting the grand success of the federal government “keeping people from starving”, and I called him on it.
TRIGGER ALERT!!!!
Some people don’t deserve a living wage
You mean that people might judge me for my neck tattoo?
Fuck.
Not in the USMC they won’t. Well at least until March when regulations change back to the “no visible tattoo-age” rules.
That recruiter is a calling, soldier.
I did, actually.
Well then. But the stat is bullshit, and the government trying to argue that they aren’t doing ENOUGH.
When they reality is that we’re doing way too much and the safety net has become a hammock filled with fat people.
http://thechive.com/2012/02/24/ummm-im-sorry-were-not-hiring-31-photos/
Car in says November 12, 2013 at 9:09 am – But the stat is bullshit, and the government trying to argue that they aren’t doing ENOUGH.
Of course it is, and of course they will, but the point is that they have already failed, because success (feeding hungry people) was never the goal.
Its just like how Obamacare is designed to fail, so we can all be forced to have socialized medicine.
And Legion and his friends will never be troubled that these geniuses who never succeed in anything will grant themselves more power and money to “fix” still more problems they alone have caused.
THere are some special snowflakes in that gallery, Drumwaster.
Pablo – I’ll put you in the “some people should just starve” category.
Car – gotcha – another starver. Why don’t you hire better people where you work?
5 million jobs for 20 million people. Hey Math, can they all get a job? Math says: No. No Steve, they can’t.
You should get out of the US some time and go places that lack a safety net. Your great system to help the unfortunate looks a lot like this:
http://fightslaverynow.org/why-fight-there-are-27-million-reasons/otherformsoftrafficking/begging-and-peddling-operations/
Because there’s 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs. The math is weak with this one.
And your solution is to do away with the safety net. Brilliant.
Wait, you’re a fan of Bush now? Specifically his economic policies??? ‘Cause that, right there, is some fuck’n news fellas!
I’ll just copy and paste my response because this has already been covered:
There are few things in economics that have been studied more than the employment effects of minimum wages. The results are universal, raising the minimum wage has a very tiny effect on the amount of total employment. Again, you trot out a mantra that is supported by NO empirical evidence. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51915#comments
Car – gotcha – another starver. Why don’t you hire better people where you work? –
Huh? Hire “better” people? You are presenting a mixed-up argument.
People on various forms of aid – many of them – are in that situation not simply because there aren’t enough jobs. It’s because they are horrible employees. They drink at work, or steal, or call in constantly, or are late.
Should these people starve? OR should we simply watch their numbers continue to grow and grow as the shirkers realized there is a “better” way?
. The results are universal, raising the minimum wage has a very tiny effect on the amount of total employment. Again, you trot out a mantra
That statement has about as much gravitas as “the science is settled.”
In “Communism for Dummies” – raising the minimum wage creates better workers, and the companies compensate by accepting lower profits.
And your solution is to do away with the safety net. Brilliant. – See more at: https://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51915#comment-1033493
Still waiting for you to produce all those people who starved when Clinton cut welfare, or when Bush cut taxes, or when Reagan did it, et alia. Not that you bother with puny things like “evidence”, especially with your claims.
The results are universal, raising the minimum wage has a very tiny effect on the amount of total employment.
And you have still failed to explain why raising it to a million per hour wouldn’t solve all your problems, other than putting up a false dichotomy that has nothing to do with the topic at hand. There are shades of gray, but you never want to turn away from more government programs. (Name ONE, just ONE government program that has not merely exacerbated the problem it was purported to solve.)
You keep dodging those uncomfortable facts, and you keep repeating debunked talking points, in the hopes that we might accept that “repetition = reality”. Not gonna happen, Slappy.
Wait, you’re a fan of Bush now? Specifically his economic policies??? ‘Cause that, right there, is some fuck’n news fellas!
How about having deficits less than half that of the current schmuck? Funny how things turned to shit when Nancy Pelosi took over the House in ’07, innit? The economy immediately slumped and deficits skyrocketed, thanks to your team’s economic policies.
Appeal to incredulity. That’ll work.
Hey, Slaphead: let’s raise the minimum wage to $100 billion per hour. Then we can all work for a few minutes and be set for life. No one will ever have to work again!
Utopia awaits!
$100 billion would be the “ALL” in your false dichotomy, Slappy, so why not settle for the measly million I ask for, and explain why it won’t work.
Then we can explain why $1,000/hr won’t work, and all the way down to why $10/hour is too much for unskilled punks riding an idiot stick (a stick with a shovel blade on one end and an idiot on the other), and why I was earning $350/hr as a General Contractor. (But only when the customer insisted that I be the one to do the home inspection.)
Q: If someone thinks $15/hr minimum wage is reasonable, and someone else thinks $20/hr is reasonable, who is right?
A: Paul Krugman.
Speaking as a business owner, I need to point out that minimum wage laws do NOT make the labor that much more valuable, only that much more expensive, and it interferes both with the right of the individual to offer his services at the rates he chooses to set, and the right of the business to offer employment at rates that will allow it to offer its services at the best rates to the customers.
When the government sets a floor price for any commodity, they will also – and inevitably – create both the higher prices consumers must pay for whatever the goods or services offered and the reduction of people on the margins who will cut back their usage of the more expensive commodity, or eliminate it entirely (businesses will refuse to hire more people).
Worse is when governments mandate a MAXIMUM wage, or claim that “people have made enough money”, and punish those who are most successful with punitive taxation rates. The incentive in those cases is for the successful (because more efficient than competitors) to cut back on their production, which takes away from those who could have possibly benefited from what they had to offer, because those people will have to pay higher prices (because they are necessarily purchasing from less-efficient businesses) and/or accept inferior quality.
In short, anytime government distorts the market, the people suffer. And when it is the minimum wage, it will be those who cannot earn higher rates (due to lack of experience or training) who suffer, not those who are already established in their careers.
Still waiting for hellomynameisgreed to explain why he hates the poor so much.
You left out the part about new hires barely being worth the minimum wage we’re forced to pay them.
Become more valuable, we’ll pay you more. Too many young adults believe merely being PRESENT (while texting their friends) is enough to earn them that minimum wage.
*** The doctrine of the passions and the interests forgets the self in self-interest. Must not the self be independent in order to maintain its identity? Otherwise it could be in the interest of a self to sell itself into slavery, providing the price were right. But if slavery is not, or cannot be, in one’s self-interest, then one must combine pride and interest. It is not simply wrong, but it is not enough, to understand your pride as opposed to your interest. The relationship of pride to interest is the chief problem of the doctrine. It was best understood by Tocqueville, who considered it both within and without the premises of the doctrine. ***
Harvey Mansfield, “Self-Interest Rightly Understood” (1995)
But what is the source of Lucy’s call into the radio show save her pride, her remnant self-regard? She dimly understands that she sells her-self into slavery, but must refuse to face the fact. It’s that old and fundamental human urge, to both have her cake and eat it, too.
hellomynameislegion, I’ll put the amount of my charitable contributions to help needy people up against yours any day, you fucking leech.
I thought the reason for her call was to argue that yes, she is bad, but those immigrants are worse. They’re not even AMERICAN.
And her belief that we are no better than her (because, supposedly, we would take the million dollars), she’s just willing to admit it.
I thought the reason for her call was to argue that yes, she is bad, but those immigrants are worse.
No. That’s merely an ancillary (and stupid) conceit. She aims primarily (she states as much) at knocking down the radio fellas in order to build herself up.
ou should get out of the US some time and go places that lack a safety net. Your great system to help the unfortunate looks a lot like this:
http://fightslaverynow.org/why-fight-there-are-27-million-reasons/otherformsoftrafficking/begging-and-peddling-operations/
You speak in nonsense. You have no idea why “my” system to help the unfortunate looks like. It certainly looks nothing like what we have, where I commonly see women 1) wear more jewelry, 2) professionally done hair and nail, 3) nicer purse, shoes and clothing buying a ton of crap and/or overprice food with her EBT card. Expensive cakes. Organic milk. Prepared food.
With MY money.
but, it’s cool because if hey use the EBT card for food, they can use their own money for cigarettes, booze, and pot.
“Fight Slavery Now”? So being forced to spend your limited lifespan and energy supporting someone else is immoral, but perfectly okay when the government forces you to do so at the point of a gun. Got it. Nothing like compassion under duress…
Are there any other concessions you care to make?
About 10k per year. Go.
Hey, I have an idea, if you’re getting shit workers at the minimum wage then offer more, get more candidates, and pick the cream off the top. The wages your company is paying, the kinds of people it’s hiring, and the turnover it’s experiencing are all results of business decisions. It’s intentional.
You’ve already made it clear. You’re a starver. GOT IT. And, there’s 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs.
Go read some studies on the actual effects of minimum wage laws on employment and then come back. You just making shit up and saying, “I need to point out…” is just more off-gassing.
More proof that Slappy is nothing but a pure liar, including words like “and” and “the”.
http://www.jammiewf.com/2013/another-obamacare-success-story-oregon-has-spent-over-300-million-to-sign-up-zero-people/
Not. One. Person. Signed. Up. And this is the State that Slappy claims to have come from and signed up on 404Care in. Because SUCCESS!
“Better to be thought a murderer than a liar, for no man listens to the wind.”
You’ve already made it clear. You’re a starver. GOT IT. And, there’s 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs.
And all of those 15 million with no jobs are because of minimum price floors for labor (aka “minimum wage” ). Justify your insistence that those people don’t deserve to work, and are too incompetent to decide their minimum worth for themselves.
Go read some studies on the actual effects of minimum wage laws on employment and then come back
How about YOU put up evidence to supports your lies? We’re not here to do your homework, liar.
About 10k per year. Go.
Liar. Stop. No one believes anything you say anymore.
Really? To whom?
Oh look! Here’s some needy folks.
Hmm, let’s see – countries where minimum wages are not mandated or established through collective bargaining:
Guinea, Somalia, N. Korea, Kazakhstan, Malaysia – All free market utopias, to be sure.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/map_of_the_week/2013/02/minimum_wage_laws_virtually_every_country_in_the_world_has_a_minimum_wage.html
About 10k per year. Go.
Have we determined if this is Thorazine?
Hey, I have an idea, if you’re getting shit workers at the minimum wage then offer more, get more candidates, and pick the cream off the top. The wages your company is paying, the kinds of people it’s hiring, and the turnover it’s experiencing are all results of business decisions. It’s intentional. –
Spoken like a true marxist. You see, it doesn’t matter how experienced a candidate appears – until he actually WORKS for you, you have no clue what he is worth. It’s called giving people a chance. And not over-paying for someone who turns out to be a complete slacker.
No business wants to turn-over employees . It’s disruptive. You lose money when you have to retrain new employees who really aren’t worth shit for anywhere from a week to two months as they learn the job.
So those 15 million Americans don’t deserve jobs because North Korea (which has the economy of Duluth) doesn’t have a minimum wage in its command-run economy. Got it.
Still waiting for your justification. Or is tu quoque the best you have?
You know where the minimal wage law, and other socialist policies, are working REALLY well? Venezuela.
So those 15 million Americans don’t deserve jobs because North Korea (which has the economy of Duluth) doesn’t have a minimum wage in its command-run econom
I thought he was explaining that North Korea’s problem could be solved if only they had a minimum wage.
Which … genius,right?
And I always love when they bring up North Korea, given that NK is the ne plus ultra of the policies they advocate. The government runs everything, and they just executed 80+ people for watching old South Korean TV reruns. (I’ve never seen South Korean TV, but it can’t be THAT bad.) Purity of thought and everyone supports anything the government wants to do. No dissent, and The Party decides everything.
Because PROGRESS!
Many more countries have no minimum wage, including Singapore, Hong Kong, Germany, Italy and Austria. Afghanistan has one, though. And of course, how could we forget the worker’s paradise of Venezuela?
Damn, it looks like I missed a whole episode of “Bowling for Trolls.”
So, ‘steve’, you earn $250,000 and claim $10,000 in charitable contributions on your 1040. Yet you won’t enlighten us with your profession, education or one redeeming characteristic. And you’ve clammed up on Orebone Care; they must have mislaid your application.
But you still hang out here as a public service. I don’t think the IRS would qualify that as a deduction.
Because there’s 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs.
Repetition does not make it true, steve. Whose ass are you pulling those jobs numbers from?
Just keep pouring in that taxpayer cash. Eventually we’re bound to run out of poor people, right?
When you define “poor” as “bottom quintile of income”, you are going to have roughly 20% of the people defined as “poor”, and all of the money you pour down that rat hole will not change that fact. Trillions have been redistributed through government programs, and the only ones who have actually prospered are the bureaucrats. There are more poor people today than there were when Bumbles screwed up his own inauguration oath, and that is directly attributable to the Democrat policies in place for the preceding two years.
Housing bubble? Democrat-caused, -sustained, and -exarcerbated problem from the very beginnings of the CRA.
Lack of new business start-ups? Higher capital gains taxes are the direct cause of lack of investment capital.
A glut of workers with no jobs? Whenever you have a government-mandated price floor for labor, you will have more people trying to earn that higher price by offering their labor, while at the same time making it more expensive for businesses to operate, driving up prices all around, and keeping those most in need of the income from actually earning one. Governments distorting the labor market punishes the ones the market is trying to help, in short, government is the problem, not the solution.
“In all matters of government, the correct answer is usually: Do nothing.”
Gallup shows the Wan polling at 40% favorable. Booyah!
Gallup shows the Wan polling at 40% favorable. Booyah!
The RCP average spread continues to widen day by day (11.4 today) without indication of surcease. Spread, spreading thing — go on with ya!
Where are the people who starved whenever services were cut in the US Steve? Where are they? I think they exist solely in your carefully shaped and cultivated imagination. Because you really don’t know what you are talking about with regards to poverty, monetary policy, or what anyone here is saying.
You are not to be taken seriously steve. You bring only a rough mixture of emotion, lies, and your very poor intuition about real to the table.
While we’re talking about government-caused issues for which politicians and bureaucrats will absolutely demand a government solution:
Ethanol.
Ethanol was a wonderful idea; it was supposed to help wean us off Arab oil while lowering CO2 emissions.
Wrong on both counts. And as a bonus, it turns out that food is a fungible resource, and that if you divert food production into fuel production, global food prices rise.
Which, in leftyspeak, looks like a regressive tax on the poor. Why do you hate poor people, steve?
“Food insecurity—the limited or uncertain availability of nutritionally adequate and safe food ”
Ah the old “food desert” bullshit that assumes there are no urban buses, cars, and bikes, now modified to suggest that processed food migt be non nutritious and harmful.
“You’ve already made it clear. You’re a starver. GOT IT. And, there’s 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs.”
You’ve already made it clear that you are dishonest, delusional, uninformed and resort to silly hyperbole trying to instill panic shame and intimidation about your various fantasies. You’ve already made it clear that you are a clueless slogan spewing parrot to occasionally roll the eyes at.
I spent two years in Business School learning about, ya know, business and how it works. Not once was raising the minimum wage offered as a solution for chronic unemployment or growth of new businesses. I’d like to see a citation from ourneameislegion to the contrary. From a recognized source, of course. Preferably peer reviewed.
I’d also like him to explain how it is okay for the Oministration is free to ignore Generally Accepted Accounting Practices (GAAP) and run its plans and schemes on deficit spending. In the real world, people go to prison for that sort of thing.
For a Constimatutional Lawyer, who presumably is conversant with the law, O should know that he is voiding any contract he has made with the American people by changes the terms of the contract without prior agreement and consent. We can feel free to go about our business and ignore him and his diktats.
Guess hellomynameisdesperationpersonified is off getting more talking points…
He’ll drop back in later to “school” us, Drum.
Look sharp!
No, dipshit, it’s called basic interviewing. Checking references. There are actually ways to choose between applicants other than rolling dice. Are you actually that pot smoking worker you were complaining about, because I’m starting to wonder.
No business wants high turn over, but some accept it as a lower cost than higher wages and other investments in retention. Do you have a clue about where you work?
Um, because in places like Germany minimum wages are set per region and industry rather than a blanket national minimum wage.
Um, ’cause governments can borrow. Why do you hate Reagan.
We’ve been over this. All the research shows that increases in the minimum wage have had, at most, a slight impact on employment.
We’ve been over this. All the research shows that increases in the minimum wage have had, at most, a slight impact on employment
We’ve also proven – over and over again – that you are a liar, and I wouldn’t believe you if you said that Obama was a Democrat.
Um, ’cause governments can borrow.
Um, how’s that tens of trillions in debt working out? Do you have any plans to actually pay that debt back, or just wait until it collapses under its own weight?
No, dipshit, it’s called basic interviewing.
And how many businesses have YOU successfully run? Oh, wait, that’s right, you wouldn’t be able (by which I mean, you actually lack the ability) to tell us the truth to any direct question, so I withdraw the question. We will just accept it as given that you are just pulling shit out of your hero’s ass.
See also “walk the talk”, and why people offering up their own references don’t necessarily equal getting the truth (especially from people eager to help their friend get a job).
It’s like this moron has never studied economics more complicated than cashing his own paycheck and making sure he gets the right number of coins.
Slappy, when you start signing the FRONT of the paychecks, then you will start to see why minimum wage laws hurt businesses.
I love Reagan. I have a shrine to him in my home. Stop “um-ing” at me, it’s stupid. You still haven’t told us where you are getting these jobs numbers from or why there are 5M jobs that desperately need filling by the 20M starving citizens who apparently aren’t qualified for these jobs or they would be filled. Citation?
I’ll bet you’re keen on immigration, too. You know, the Dream Act stuff? Amnesty? Adding 11M more people to the dole since there are no jobs for them—according to you.
Your math sucks and you have quite obviously never owned and operated a small business.
But you voted for Obama anyway.
Really. I don’t recall that being the case when I lived there, and it isn’t the case now. But I’m sure you can enlighten us as to how you know better, as soon as you tell us who you’re giving $10K a year to. Come on, mynameisTommyFlanagan, let’s have it!
That’s FlanAgan, Pablo.
Googling, steve? Cat got your thumbs?
No, dipshit, it’s called basic interviewing. Checking references. There are actually ways to choose between applicants other than rolling dice. Are you actually that pot smoking worker you were complaining about, because I’m starting to wonder.
Yea, no – sorry. You do not, and will not know what a person is like as an employee until they actually WORK for you. Perhaps B-school taught you differently? The way the real world works is that you hire who seems the best, but you’re only going to find out over time.
No business wants high turn over, but some accept it as a lower cost than higher wages and other investments in retention. Do you have a clue about where you work?
I work in one business and own another, so yes – I have a clue. We don’t want ANY turnover. It sucks. But we’re not going to hire anyone at a higher rate until they are worth something. People who know they are- are willing to take that risk.
Really. I don’t recall that being the case when I lived there, and it isn’t the case now
Slappy caught in yet another lie? Say it ain’t so, hellomynameisconfirmedliar!
Actually, slappy doesn’t want to get me started on the issue of applications. The majority of them are complete bullshit – people who do NOT want the job, but merely to “prove” that they are looking.
Complete and utter bullshit. Graft. Our safety net is mostly graft.
And yes. I want people to starve. @@. Perhaps if they got a little rumble in their tummy they’d get off their ass.
And as a bit of TMI – last year things got SO HARD for my family financially, we certainly did qualify for aid. I asked my husband if he wanted to consider footstamps. He almost blew his lid.
As I knew he would. I was just checking.
Somehow, I have doubts that steve went to B-School.
Perhaps if they got a little rumble in their tummy they’d get off their ass.
Hell, even Winnie the Pooh got up and spent some effort looking for his Hunny Jar.
Hunger is an excellent motivator.
I haven’t lied yet. I don’t think you guys have overtly lied either. You don’t have to when everything you know is wrong. – http://www.wageindicator.org/main/salary/minimum-wage/germany
20 million people out of work, 5 million jobs.
Oh, wait, you want links. Front page of drudge today – 91 million not in labor force: http://dailycaller.com/2013/11/11/record-high-91-5-million-people-not-included-in-labor-force/
BLS – 3.9 million jobs: http://www.bls.gov/jlt/
So I was off by a bit. But I’m feeling generous so we can stick with 20 million people out of work and 5 million jobs.
My irony meter just exploded. Glad your luck didn’t turn worse – like someone getting in a serious car wreck or being diagnosed with a serious illness during that time.
Hope that works for you. When I hire people, I don’t say, “Hey, I’m going to pay you shit wages, ’cause your probably worthless and I’m not smart enough to sleuth that out, but you work really hard and prove yourself, and you might get a nice raise.” People who know what they’re worth don’t have to put up with that crap.
Let’s just skip to the part where I answer, you get flustered, and call me a liar.
Link to one non-whackjob person starving to death in the United States in the last, oh, century or so?
Thanks.
(“non-whackjob” to exclude people with anorexia or some such).
Oh, and now Slaphead claims to be an employer?
Snicker.
Also, of course, exclude people who suffer from other medical causes (nutrient absorption problems, etc.) I’m talking about people starving to death due to poverty.
How many can you find, Slaphead, and how does that compare to the track record in Marxist utopias?
Oh, and now Slaphead claims to be an employer? Snicker.
Only if the sign out front says “& Son”. Getting one’s job the old-fashioned way: Nepotism.
I haven’t lied yet.
Remember all those times we provided evidence that what you were saying was utterly false? All those “I never said that” followed by cut and paste proof to the contrary? This is yet another lie.
91 million not in labor force
And how many were not in the labor force when Obama’s economy took over? Why has that percentage been dropping to levels not seen since Carter, yet no change in the unemployment rates? (That one requires that you admit that lots of people have given up looking for work in the Obama economy, but I know your allergy to facts.)
When I hire people, I don’t say
Start out with a lie, end up with bullshit. You have never hired anyone in your life, or you wouldn’t be saying such bullshit.
Let’s just skip to the part where I answer, you get flustered, and call me a liar.
Shorter Slappy: “You can’t honestly think that I could back up my lies, so I will snark like I proved the case and pretend you are just too stupid to follow the logic.”
How about you try speaking the truth for once? People won’t be able to prove you wrong so easily if you do, yanno…
You can answer all you like, but that you’re a liar is already established, generally and on this particular point.
I’ve spent five minutes trying to find one instance of anyone starving to death in the USA due to lack of availability of foodstuffs. The only answer in the affirmative is the mentally ill or those deliberately starved by caretakers.
Citation on those numbers, steve-o?
I’d also like him to provide proof of those so-called studies about minimum wage, and why that particular instance of a price floor doesn’t cause the market to react like it does to every other price floor – a glut of supply and higher prices paid by the consumers…
Oh, wait…
His “cites” are bullshit, as we know. It’s Econ 101 that raising minimum wages contracts the job market, effecting the young and unskilled disproportionately.
X number of payroll dollars doesn’t magically expand when you keep the same number of employees while raising their wages. Someone, short-timers, bad attitudes, et alia get the sack. And the “Help Wanted” sign doesn’t go up in the window, either.
“My irony meter just exploded.”
Did your irony meter smell like it might be made out of bull shit as it exploded?
Car in wrote:
Yea, no – sorry. You do not, and will not know what a person is like as an employee until they actually WORK for you.
Happened to me. I’m not good at interviews. When I interviewed for my current job I was the third choice competing for two openings. Fortunately, one of the people they were going to hire had to decline so I got hired for one of the positions. My employers were actually pretty surprised at how well I picked things up and handled issues.
Oh and the other person who got hired? Great at interviews, apparently… but an absolutely terrible help desk analyst. Didn’t know crap and was eventually let go. I’ve been at my current job for over five years now.
Stevie lied with:
I haven’t lied yet.
.
Keep in mind that deflection and diversion are the key aims, so lying about this or that is of no concern. Whatever works — and it’s working pretty splendidly so far, so why change it?
Except it’s not. Again – you can look this stuff up.
Here are two interesting historical incidents you might want to consider. The first being the great depression – a time where the financial sector blew up the world economy, and there wasn’t a social safety net.
And I quote:
Eating weeds to survive. Yum!
Compare that with Bushpocolypse ’08 – again a meltdown of the world economy caused by the financial industry, but this time with onerous government regulation like FDIC insurance and a social safety net. And what do you know, you don’t have people living in sewers and eating weeds to survive.
A-fucking-mazing.
“Here are two interesting historical incidents you might want to consider. The first being the great depression – a time where the financial sector blew up the world economy, and there wasn’t a social safety net. ”
There was, it just wasn’t a big federal one . Then FDR tried to make a big federal one and it did’t work. Beef was destroyed by the government to avoid a glut dropping the price. This was described as kindness and a form of government charity or disguised as disease quarantine control measures.
Steve people are selling their surplus aid on the black market. If you think it’s preventing starvation you are clueless.
Except it’s not. Again – you can look this stuff up.
Except it is, and all of your book studies (which you have yet to actually provide – amusing, that) bear the same relation to reality as Obama’s promises about keeping insurance plans do. As my old CPO used to say, “Yeah, those books are real nice, but this here is the Fleet.”
The first being the great depression – a time where the financial sector blew up the world economy, and there wasn’t a social safety net.
Another case of government causing problems it doesn’t know how to solve. It was the continued fiddling by progressives that kept the bank crash going as long as it did. (The banks had also collapsed – worse than in ’29 – a few decades earlier, and the country pulled out of it within a year or two, because the government didn’t try to fix anything, and the market just corrected itself and things went on as usual.) And it was only the onset of WW2 that masked the major problems with a high fever. But anything a government can do to an economic set up is either directly harmful or a form of positive feedback, which will cause any system to eventually oscillate wildly out of control.
Again, Econ 101. Look it up.
Eating weeds to survive. Yum!
Just think of what they would have had to do if they had been forced to pay for health insurance at the same time. Or don’t the countless people made homeless by the CRA count in your world?
Why do you hate poor people so much?
” In the Pennsylvania coal fields, three or four families crowded together in one-room shacks and lived on wild weeds. In Arkansas, families were found inhabiting caves. In Oakland, California, whole families lived in sewer pipes. Vagrancy shot up as many families were evicted from their homes for nonpayment of rent. The Southern Pacific Railroad boasted that it threw 683,000 vagrants off its trains in 1931. ”
So you are going pre-stock market crash? Interesting. Still no starvation.
” Free public flophouses and missions in Los Angeles provided beds for 200,000 of the uprooted. To save money, families neglected medical and dental care. Many families sought to cope by planting gardens, canning food, buying used bread, and using cardboard and cotton for shoe soles. ”
Again no starvation.
” Despite a steep decline in food prices, many families did without milk or meat. In New York City, milk consumption declined a million gallons a day. President Herbert Hoover declared, “Nobody is actually starving. The hoboes are better fed than they have ever been.”
Not starvation.
” But in New York City in 1931, there were 20 known cases of starvation; ”
That was the year the Empire State Building opened and two years before the stock market crash. In 1930 the Census showed NYC with a total population of around 6.9 million people. Pointing to 20 cases of starvation as some sort of mass die off due to a lack of a safety net BEFORE the depression hit New York, is hilariously stupid. That is a starvation rate of 0.0002886%
” in 1934, there were 110 deaths caused by hunger.”
0.0015873% 1.6 thousandths of 1% of the population starved in 1934 because of no safety net.
Now cite me something that isn’t tiny, from the wrong period, and irrelevant to the hilarious claim that the safety net is the only thing that prevents starvation and that such starvation is immanent without it.
I imagine there were more deaths caused by dog bites than by starvation.
Guess Obama had the right idea by eating them.
See what I did there? Reminding you that your hero ATE A FUCKING DOG. Marshmallows on a straightened wire hanger, not so much, but Fido better watch his ass…
Keep in mind, that going hungry for a little while is not “starvation” and malnutrition can occur when food is highly available due to personal habits.
Also keep in mind that the terms soup kitchen, charity, food pantry, isn’t new nor was it invented by a federal program. Something was keeping a lot of people from starvation during hard times and it was not a big federal safety net or price controls or make work employment.
“ATE A FUCKING DOG” Sounds like choom code. 420
The biggest problem with the so-called “Great Depression” was that on that infamous day when the market “crashed”, there was the same amount of money in the system the day after as the day before. It was only those traders operating on margin (or what we would call “deficit financing, hoping to recoup on future earnings”, which sounds REALLY familiar) that lost everything on margin call (which meant all those loans they had been taking out were suddenly called in), and had no way to pay back everything they owed. (More and more familiar with every word.)
It was a lack of confidence in the system by the consumer, who stopped spending to save for future needs, which took away the pressure of spending (another phenomenon you would learn about in Econ 101), which is what keeps the market going around. When there is no one spending money, there is no money to pay employees, and they start dipping into savings to pay their bills, until it runs out, and then they are wiped out in the tertiary effects, which were exacerbated by governments trying to come up with make-work jobs, just to shove currency into a system. Positive feedback loop again, since currency is not wealth.
I can’t wait for Steve to note that the depression was already devastating leveraged farmers in the mid 1920’s. Then he can babble about how federally mandated health insurance would have prevented the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918.
You’re SO RIGHT palaeo, starvation was an exaggeration.
Replace all instances of “starvation” with “living in sewer pipes and eating weeds.” ‘Cause that’s totally acceptable.
Um, I’ll take the recovery conditions during this meltdown – you can have the conditions found after the great depression. ‘Cause it was awesome back then, man. I mean the people that lived through it weren’t totally traumatized at all.
Then they seized the gold to help push a new pragmatic fiat currency.
” Replace all instances of “starvation” with “living in sewer pipes and eating weeds.”
And it’s a housing issue which means it was a stupid sloppy inappropriate thing to bring to a “show me starvation” challenge. And guess what steve, with today’s safety net in place, and the excess being sold on the black market, I can go out and get you pictures of large groups of people camping under overpasses, sleeping in cars, and living three families to an apartment while the landlord looks the other way RIGHT NOW.
“Um, I’ll take the recovery conditions during this meltdown ”
That might mean something if you knew fuck all about either one steve. But ya clearly don’t.
You’re SO RIGHT palaeo, starvation was an exaggeration.
“Exaggeration”? It’s okay, you can use the real word. “Lie.” We already knew, given that the original claims of starvation came from you. The moment you said it, I knew there was no possible way it could be true. Own it.
Just to add to what Palaeo said, the point mynameismud is too thick to see is that the hunger (starvation, whatever) he laments was caused by FDRs brain trust mucking around in the economy.
Because they were more concerned about keeping farm commodity prices* high than they were about hungry (starving) people.
*think of it as a living wage for the hardworking single farmer raising a family.
Here’s a hint, Slappy, even if 99% of the US residents had adequate housing (by your standards), that would still equal more than three million people homeless, and I can guarantee that it isn’t even close to that percentage. Funny how the stories about homeless only seem to crop up when the guy in the White House has an (R) after his name, innit?
How’s that Obama trillion-dollar deficit working out for ya?
That’s why you should invest in gold now. Get yours before the Government gets its grubby paws on it!
isnt that right hellomynameistostupidtoremembertobreathewithoutprogrammingareminderontomyobamaphone?
withoutprogrammingareminderontomyobamaphone
Gold is just another commodity that also serves as a currency, with price fluctuations based on “wars and rumors of wars”. You can’t eat it, any more than you can drink the oil seeping out of the ground.
But I have no doubt that some progressive will order the seizure of private gold stores.
No, guys, I’m supposed to give steve the starvation point because he’s all emotional and has the proper pious /generous motivation and I must want people to starve because I hate the government and there’s no way that a powerful centralized socially responsible highly regulatory government with a foundation in marxist class struggle theory could ever allow people to people starve. Ever. Why just look at Russia, Ukraine, China, Cambodia… Just ask Noam Chomsky. Sheesh! I should learn some history before I mouth off!
So should Noam Chomsky… :|
Oh what a shocker: You lied again.
All in a lame attempt to demonize make the icky awful people who disagree with. Those monsters.
“in 1934, there were 110 deaths caused by hunger.”
Your Marxist hero Stalin starved 10 million people to death in the Ukraine in 1932-1933, but they don’t count, of course, any more than the 5 million Russians that your Marxist hero Lenin had starved to death in 1921, or the additional million Russians that your Marxist hero Stalin starved in 1946-47, or the 40 million Chinese that your Marxist hero Mao starved in 1959-1960, or the 2 million Cambodians that your Marxist hero Pol Pot starved and murdered in 1975-1979, or the 3 million (and counting) that your Marxist heroes the Kim dynasty have starved in North Korea.
Your Marxist heroes have also converted former granary countries like Vietnam and Zimbabwe into net food importers. Zimbabwe used to feed much of southern Africa. Now it can’t even feed itself.
But hey, REAGAN!!!! BOOOOOOOOSH!!!!
You’re not just evil, you’re fucking stupid.
Slappy’s unlinked source. What he omitted for…um… troofiness:
Empahsis mine. It’s like deja vu all over again, served on a hopeychangey platter.
Why do you want people to starve, hellowon’tyouguessmyname?
It’s HILARIOUS that slappy thinks what we have now is a “safety” net. Temporary food stamps? Fine. Lifetime, and generational dependency? Not so fine.
If people need some government cheese after the Great Depression to keep them from eating those weeds, I don’t think anyone here (well, maybe JHow – I kid) would disagree.
What we disagree on is that there is what the social welfare has morphed into: An entitlement.
That they deserve.
Without shame.
Well, that link is telling Pablo. Sophomoric takes on history for school teachers? And this from the guy who mocks Wikipedia.
“And I quote:”, no less. Hilarious, ain’t he?
I think he needs extra homework. Maybe a research paper would help.
Blowing up the safety net is obviously the way to make things better. Makes perfect sense. It’s the same logic that leads to shutting down the government and not raising the debt ceiling – because destroying something always makes it better. Why don’t you go find a small item, and smash it. We’d all feel much better.
Let’s keep having hearings on who closed the parks. You guys remind me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSILbSzvgnY
Wait! Which one of you was that??? Come on, don’t be shy.
… he said with a straight face.
A lot like this.
http://americablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/jobs-all-recessions_2013-10-22-jobchart.png
Which isn’t as good as it could be, but it’s a lot better than what your austerity plan would hath wrought.
… because if there’s one thing I’m good at it’s making up scary stories and patting my self on the back for how clever I think I am.
You inject Marx, Mao, and Stalin in the conversation yourself and then argue against them. Very clever! You’re so cute! (smiles approving)
It would be great to see what kind of a safety net you all are in favor of. Do tell.
Wait, I notice you STFU about how much you give to charity. How much was that?
Because he wasn’t the one bragging about giving large dollars to charity.
It would be great to see what kind of a safety net you all are in favor of
It’s waaaaaaaaaaaaay back at the beginning of the thread. Private charity and limited (very limited) government assistance for a very limited time period for those with truly demonstrable need.
Blowing up the safety net is obviously the way to make things better. Makes perfect sense.
If we can balance the budget without ANY of the horror stories you threaten with, isn’t that better than adding another $10 billion in debt every day of the year (weekends and holidays included)? Why do you hate the idea of a balanced budget so much? If your neighbors can do it (since I will be assuming you can’t balance anything other than a Weeble-Wobble without subsidies), why shouldn’t the government be forced to do it?
Let’s keep having hearings on who closed the parks
That was the Executive Branch of the Federal Government, and as soon as Obama figures out who is running that place, he’ll be ALL OVER IT. Just like he did with Fast and Furious, the IRS scandals, the NSA snooping, Benghazi, and this website failure. Any. Day. Now.
Which isn’t as good as it could be, but it’s a lot better than what your austerity plan would hath wrought
And that EXACTLY COINCIDES with the time Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid took over Congress. Just as the “worst economy since Hoover” was coming to a close, they fucked it up for everyone, and so badly that the American People kicked Nancy out. (Amusingly enough, that would be right as that fancy little chart of yours starts improving. Amazing how those occur almost simultaneously, innit? Almost as though they weren’t coincidental at all, but pure cause-and-effect.)
It would be great to see what kind of a safety net you all are in favor of. Do tell.
How about we get the government out of the charity and wealth redistribution business entirely? Leave it to the organizations who define themselves as “charitable”. Imagine how much money could be saved!
I said I’d put my money against yours, hellomynameissophistry. Your lies aren’t your money. We know you spend words like Obama spends other people’s money. And we know you lie about charity because you’re a statist, and also because you’ve been caught lying more times than anyone has bothered to count.
I don’t give to impress. I give to help those less fortunate than me. You want someone else to steal for that purpose so you don’t have to bother.
You inject Marx, Mao, and Stalin in the conversation yourself and then argue against them.
Ah, so your mention of North Korea above was you arguing in favor of what it is and does? Very clever! You’re so cute!
(See also “context” re your claims of starvation, you fucking moron.)
“Socialism is for those who are too damned lazy to be muggers.”
It wasn’t as completely awful as it could have been, either.
If we’re setting the bar low, we should set it just as low as it can go.
One that residing in isn’t a family business for multiple consecutive generations. One that encourages you to get the hell out of it.
Asked and answered multiple times throughout the entirety of this thread, stevie.
Reading is fundamental.
One that residing in isn’t a family business for multiple consecutive generations. One that encourages you to get the hell out of it. –
One that isn’t more personally profitable than finding work.
One that doesn’t reward you for having babies out of wedlock, with various men.
One that doesn’t allow you to purchase overpriced cakes and lobster.
One that doesn’t allow you to buy “sham” food that is then cooked for you /prepared.
One that doesn’t allow you to buy chips and soda and candybars at the gas station.
I could go on.
Saw a sign at 7-11 advertising that you can now buy a whole pizza with your SNAP card. Progress!
‘steve’, I realize this might distract you from your starvation rant, but care to comment on this:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303460004579194073014764210 ?
It rather puts the lie to the assertions you were making right around the ObonoCare roll-out.
*** That means that the genetic winners, the lottery winners, who’ve been paying their artificially low price because of this discrimination, now will have to pay more in return. ***
Ah yes, The Free Riders. Bastard cheats. They must pay. Sic ’em, government. Brilliant!
I would have no trouble with that safety hammock if those lounging in it surrendered their votes for however as long as they receive public aid. (Those riding for free get no voice in where the bus is driven, nor how fast.) That used to be one of the conditions of getting public aid, and why it was so shameful to get it, above and beyond the part where you had proved yourself incapable of supporting yourself, much less a family.
Brilliant!
It’s always just so unexpected when the new boss is as bad or worse than the old boss, or the more things “social change” the more they stay the same.
Detroit has a bunch of “stores” where you buy the food and they – gratis – cook it for you.
It used to be that the food for the poor program handed out actual food in generic looking containers. Government cheese (which wasn’t bad for a cheddar) and government canned goods and powered milk. All part of the farm price support system.
The reason that we went to food stamps, which could be spent for food at the store, is that the free food handouts were seen as competing with the grocery stores and the food manufacturers. So food stamps were born to let them get in on the farm price support handouts too.
Crony capitalism goes way back, Obama has just made it more obvious and expensive.
Price “supports”! heh. Only think Wickard v. Filburn. It began, and then it crept into everything you touch. Isn’t the knowing of the knowers (who just know what everything is worth!) amazing?
It would be great to see what kind of a safety net you all are in favor of. Do tell.
I even left the link in the blockquote this time, so evilstevie can find it. Also, I never did get an answer for my question. Why, stevie, do you prefer the current system, with all its waste and fraud and multi-generational persistence, over the historical model? You know, the one involving personal charity, taking care of one’s neighbors with one’s own time and treasure, and limiting aid to the deserving, as opposed to anyone who could get a community organizer to fill out a form for them. The one that encouraged people to help out of the goodness of their hearts, and that encouraged those receiving assistance to be grateful, and motivated to find ways of supporting themselves.
Why do you support a system that drives out charity and gratitude, and replaces them with entitlement, resentment, and coercion? Why do you support a system that encourages perpetual dependency, and discourages people from getting married and getting jobs and pursuing the American dream?
Seriously, stevie, it’s growing rather tiresome that you keep defending your broken system by claiming the alternative is mass starvation, when in fact the alternative is really to return to a model that worked pretty well for thousands of years. On the bright side, it’s clear that you’re not changing any minds here, nor are you causing any shame or embarrassment. Rather, you’re allowing the rest of us to knock the stuffing out of your silly arguments, sharpening our rhetoric for the day we face an opponent with actual skill and knowledge. So thanks for that, at least.
Yeah, Congress can now legally bar me from picking a rose from the bush in my yard and giving it to my wife, because that takes away from the number of flowers being sold nationally by FTD.
Makes sense to me.
{/Bizarroland}
And the parrot is alive too.
“It’s just a flesh wound.”
Well, “dynamic” is true at least in the sense that the word stems from the Greek for “power” [dynamis]. It’s all about power.
>… “Healthcare.gov is a dynamic website.”<
headed for a resonance disaster
Stupevil should be a world.
“… he said with a straight face.”
I’m not quite sure that rises to being a functional retort.
“Which isn’t as good as it could be, but it’s a lot better than what your austerity plan would hath wrought.”
Yeah, because you can see into alternate futures . It only makes sense seeing how you see into alternate pasts and presents.
He can see your face!
Why, stevie, do you prefer the current system, with all its waste and fraud and multi-generational persistence, over the historical model? –
I’m guessing because he’s a loyal progressive slave. He’ll support whatever they tell him to.
Kirsten Powers testifies as to the Brilliance! of the scheme.
Good puppy! You made on the newspaper.
Hey stevie, remember that shutdown blow-back you tried to save the Cruz and the est of GOP from with your concern troll advice?
“Quinnipiac released a stunner of a poll this morning showing the Democrats’ 9-point edge touted as blowback against the shutdown in October has collapsed to a 39-39 tie on congressional vote preference.”
http://minx.cc/?post=344944
Obamacare is fine though. Lol.
I’m guessing because he’s a loyal progressive slave.
I think you’re right. He’s also not too bright.
Yeah, because you can see into alternate futures.
Never mind that the chart he posted shows the effects of other policies on it. And how every single fucking one of them performed a hell of a lot better than the Pelosi-Reid-Obama strategy.
But no — if we’d done any of those things that worked in the past, it would have been a total disaster.
Scenario A: A young woman returns to her old neighborhood after getting her degree in Economics, and decides to do something about the neighbors who’ve been left unemployed and hungry by the policies put in place by Pelosi & Reid. She starts a fundraising campaign, eventually collecting $100,000 from neighbors and local businesses who want to help. That money is used to buy food from wholesalers, some of whom offer further discounts in support of the effort. This food is distributed to a handful of churches and private charities around the neighborhood. The young woman recruits volunteers to staff the sites a few evenings each week, when people are home from work and available to help. Those in need can come in to a food pantry, sit down for a 5-10 minute conversation with volunteers to describe their need and what they’re doing to improve their circumstances. Those who wish to show their gratitude can spend a few hours unloading trucks and restocking the shelves during the week. If a volunteer believes somebody is abusing the charity, they can be turned away, to try their luck at another site. In the end, the $100,000 in funds and hundreds of hours of time donated by the community result in 50 families being helped through some hard times, though almost none of those families use the program every week. The community hosts a ceremony to recognize the work performed by the young woman and her volunteers, and the following year she’s able to raise an additional $10,000 in support.
Scenario B: A young woman returns to her old neighborhood after getting her degree in Community Organizing, and decides to do something about the neighbors who’ve been left unemployed and hungry by the economic destruction wrought by The Man. She starts an agitating campaign, demanding that City Hall do something to address the neighborhood’s needs. The Mayor forces the neighborhood to cough up $200,000 in additional taxes, which he uses to establish a community food center with his name on it. He buys a bunch of food from some politically-connected buddies at a modest markup, and has the food brought over and unloaded by some teamster buddies who throw in a modest markup of their own. He hires a union drone at $50,000 a year to staff the center Monday-Friday from 8:30-11:30 and then from 12:30-4:30, because union rules state that drones have to have their lunch. Those in need who are trying to get by on part-time work have to duck out of their jobs to visit the center during business hours, where they stand in line waiting for the drone to get to them. They quickly learn that it’s much easier to get their food if they just quit working altogether. They also learn that the drone doesn’t give a shit whether they’re really in need; he just wants the paperwork to be filled out right. Finally, they learn that by getting their community organizer to make waves, they can get the program expanded to include clothing and toys for their kids. In the end, the $200,000 stolen from honest, hard working taxpayers feeds just 25 families, who figure they’ll stay in the program for life. The community organizer throws a big party for the Mayor, who promises to steal an extra $25,000 from taxpayers the next year, so long as $5,000 winds up back in his campaign fund.
So, twice as much money for half as much result. Theft, fraud, greed, entitlement, kickbacks, corruption, resentment, and dysfunction instead of charity and good works. The takers see the taxpayers as greedy for complaining about all the money stolen from them and wasted, and the taxpayers see the takers as greedy for demanding benefits they don’t truly need, and always increasing their demands instead of looking to provide for their own. And the only people who really benefit are the Mayor, his buddies, and the drone.
And evilstevie would have you believe that his scenario is the way of justice and light, while our way is just horrible and we should be ashamed of ourselves. Fortunately, his campaign of blame and shame is starting to come apart, as people realize just how badly they are being abused by their government. And the people who pull evilstevie’s strings know that their gravy train is running out, which is why they have stevie dancing so hard to try to distract and silence us. Because they know what a preference cascade is, and they can see it coming soon.
“You inject Marx, Mao, and Stalin in the conversation yourself and then argue against them”
I asked you to compare the “starvation” in the United States to that in Marxist countries. You came up with some bullshit about 200 people supposedly starving in New York back during the Depression, which may be true, but is a statistically irrelevant number. I then pointed out how many were starving in socialist countries at the very same time.
Both you and and Presentdent Zero are Marxists, Slaphead. And you’re not clever at all.
We’re not going to let you murder another hundred million people, Slappy. Sorry.
By the way, Slaphead… have you signed up for CatholicCare yet? I see your state has spent something like $300 million dollars on ZeroCare without signing up a single paying customer. Here’s your big chance. Make some history, mang!
You can keep batting it around but it’s not going to get any more edible. Bury it, already.
leigh says November 13, 2013 at 9:45 am Asked and answered multiple times throughout the entirety of this thread, stevie. Reading is fundamental.
Your answer doesn’t fit the algorithms programmed into stevie’s tiny overheated little head so he’ll ignore it.
He’s off biting his nails with today’s dreadful to him, expected by us, news that no one is signing up for teh awesome plans.™
Can I hug him and hold him and call him “George”?
“Can I hug him and hold him and call him “George”?”
If you wear the proper safety equipment and use tongs, I don’t see why not.
Of Mice and Hazmat Protocols was my favorite book as a child.
Pet his head with your thumb. Just like Lenny.