October 28, 2013

“Rude Awakening: Californians ‘Shocked’ by Premium Increases, Dropped Coverage”

They’re probably also shocked about the success of shows like “Duck Dynasty” and the failure of movies like “Lions for Lambs.”  Which is to say, when you live in the world of fantasy, reality becomes an opponent, rather than a state of affairs unburdened by its own biases and false consciousness.

Without casting too wide a net — much of California outside its urban and governing centers are more trapped in a Kafka novella than “shocked” by what’s happening to them — let me just offer this:  it comes as no surprise to me that a State whose “hip” electorate foists Jerry Brown upon the remainder of its citizens at any point in history outside of the post-Nixon 1970s would find themselves blindsided by the racist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic, and nativist collaboration of arithmetic and economics, coming together to create a wingnut reality in which wishing something to be so doesn’t just magically make it happen, be it through good intentions or the magic of CGI.

To put it another way:  if those Californians “shocked” by reality had gone to sleep with0ut visions of unicorns dancing around in their heads, perhaps awakening to nothing by grade-A horseshit wouldn’t have been so jarring.

 

 

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 1:49pm
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Comments (223)

  1. - CCCC is the new black – “Canceled coverage continues to climb”, now at 1.5 million.

  2. the magic of CGI

    I see what you did there.

  3. - Is anyone actually in charge of this train wreck, and do they know whats going on?

    – The fact that the drive-by mediots are actually reporting on this, and some minimal starts at the Benghazi scandal (CBS 60 minutes) is further indication that the bloom is off the rose for Bumblefuck and the press will be concentrating on the Billary campaign from now on. Of course, as others have pointed out the hard assed Lefties don’t trust her, so it should make for an interesting next three years.

  4. “Is anyone actually in charge of this train wreck”

    Sure. Obama has a new “czar”. Of course he’s never written any code, or even managed anyone who managed anyone who wrote code, but he assures us that everything will be working by the end of the month.

    Har.

  5. I was going to say that “CCCC” sounds racist, but on checking I found that it translates to a kind of teal blue color.

  6. As a native a native California living and working in the SF bay area the most noticeable thing is that no body ever really talks/endorses/brags about Obama or his policies. Jerry Brown either really.

    I mean you would hear moaning and gnashing of teeth for a Romney or a Meg Whitman but, silence on their candidates.

    Recently in meeting our office manager said our health care rates would probably go up but, he held his tongue on what/who was responsible although in the past he mouth offed about Bush.

    I had to hold my tongue as well.

  7. Which is to say, when you live in the world of fantasy, reality becomes an opponent, rather than a state of affairs unburdened by its own biases and false consciousness.

    Reality, much like arithmetic, is intrinsically conservative. Little wonder it would be considered an enemy.

  8. further indication that the bloom is off the rose

    More like they don’t figure any positions will open up in the administration for them to be appointed to, so the Sycophancy™ can be deep-sixed for now.

  9. I was going to say that “CCCC” sounds racist, but on checking I found that it translates to a kind of teal blue color.

    You gots to add two zeroes at the front. 00CCCC

  10. Yah, I know. But leading zeroes are superfluous ;)

  11. You’re going to have a lot more stories like this to contend with:

    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/21/was-obamacare-guinea-pig/

    1. People who never had insurance before and now do, and are happy about it.
    2. People who got better coverage for the same price or less.

    Your shrill screams of Nothing Is Working Anywhere for Anyone are going to start looking more and more like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8slEPV9LyS0

  12. Enough.

  13. hellomynameisfuckstick is either incredibly stupid or a bald-faced liar. Perhaps both.

  14. People who never had insurance before and now do, and are happy about it.

    no they have medicaid

  15. - A lady is on Sully right now talking about her experience:

    * I tried to use the web aite at least 25 times in the last week. everytime I log on, as soon as I start entering my medical data it forgets who I am, or after a few minutes the screen resets and it acts like its forgotten everything I’ve entered.

    * I finally gve up and tried calling one of the phone centers. After waiting 1 1/2 hours i got a lady. I spent over an hour answering all the questions about my health, history, and dovctors, and then she said “Ohh…..where did it go…..thats weird….it all dissapeared…..and now it doesn’t recognize your name…..maybe if we reset the system…..nope…..still doesn’t recognize you….Maybe you should wait awhile and call us back….*click*.

  16. - What I see is the Bunblefuck administration and its lap dog fawning Progressive idiots have managed to insure the 17 million societal misfits that didn’t have any insurance because they don’t have anything else either, like any form of productive income, etc, and now the other 340 million Americans will end up either uninsured or over insured. For the children.

    – Way to goooooo bumblefuck!

  17. - So I guess the answer is not to stop O’Fuck and his wild excursions into big boy playtime Pes-ee-dent, but for everyone to move to Kentucky.

  18. All 50 states were down for the count this morning.

    The other seven were apparently still up and running.

  19. It’s not just New York, either. We’re seeing the same trend in other states with their own health-care exchanges. Indeed, the number of new Medicaid enrollees in states like Kentucky, Washington and Oregon tops 80 percent. And why not? In contrast to the private plans, Medicaid is free.

    NY ObamaCare — Medicaid on steroids

  20. Kentucky!

    Medicaid!

    Next.

  21. good luck in the future finding a doctor with your medicaid card

  22. - Hey, but its ok. He didn’t know about Merkels phone, so its all good.

  23. Funny. I tried to find the policy referenced in the article here. No luck. New York policies aren’t even listed at Data.Healthcare.Gov. No luck verifying anything the author says. BTW, here’s the author’s bio.

  24. - I’m almost afraid to even ask if its possible that things will get anymore screwed up.

  25. nr, I’m quite sure, once everyone is on Medicaid and those are the only patients left, doctors will start treating Medicaid patients, even though they’ll lose money, right?

    Remember the vital equation: health insurance = health care.

  26. - Yeah, that will be the next Progressive “improvement”. The assholes will manage to screw up Medicare and Medicaid too.

    – Mofo’s. *spit*

  27. That would be Steve’s link, BTW, not Jeff”s.

  28. Damn, I should have known better than to read a link provided by our resident fool.

    The governor of KY is claiming, with no supporting evidence, that things are going swimmingly with O!care in KY.

    The default position of any rational person (obviously, that automatically includes the resident fool) should be that any assertion uttered by any politician is a bald-faced lie.

  29. And the One knew he was lying with the “keep insurance you like” business.

  30. crap, I just called our resident fool “rational.”

    I denounce myself.

  31. hellomynameisbaghdadbob is bound to get very comical, very soon.

  32. - It would probably be wise for every Progressive in America to find a wall and stand with their backs to it. Seems they’re finally going to find out exactly what that claver “O”! thing was all about during his first canpaign.

  33. As a resident Californian I will make it my duty to seek out liberals who are being hurt by this bill and laugh uncontrollably in their stupid faces.

  34. He still hasn’t told us, has hellomynameiswhatismynameagain why he, a member of the Oppressor Class wishes to stand on the backs of Everyman for his healthcare needs.

    I imagine it’s because he can.

    Steveio, isn’t that unethical, not to mention immoral? Or do you enjoy exploiting the Workers?

  35. leigh – you’ve brought this up a number of times. How will me purchasing an ACA compliant plan be – I’m not ever sure what – I think you’ve framed it as me taking from others for the benefit of my family. Who am I taking from? What exactly will I be doing that’s so evil? Let me know and I’ll do my best to answer.

  36. basta

  37. I have not said that steve.

    I have said that, according to you, you are more than able to meet your family’s insurance expenses without FORCING the rest of the populace to participate in an expensive, intrusive and unnecessary scheme that nationalizes one-sixth of the US economy and eliminates free market competition.

    Explain.

  38. What exactly will I be doing that’s so evil?

    participating in proggtardism is evil.

  39. this “law” is really flexible

    WH Confirms Individual-Mandate Quasi-Delay

  40. Who am I taking from? What exactly will I be doing that’s so evil? Let me know and I’ll do my best to answer.

    – You can’t possibly be that dense, even a coatrack is not that dumb, and I assume since you are able to type on a keyboard you are smarter than a coatrack.

    – Your cult of personality is always going on, night and day, about oppressed victim classes, unless they are middle class working people who essentially have zero voice in this brave new fucking Utopia of yours. Anyway, heres your answer dumbass.

    – Everytime a bum slacker gets a subsidy, regardless of who they are or what the earn, that subsidy has to come out of the taxes the working people pay into this cess pool of a government.

    – Thats legal theft, pure and simple, something that, if your cult wasn’t a bunch of total bullshit opportunustic hipocrites, would be absolutely screaming about. But you’re silent.

    – Why. Because the working middle class is the only people that can’t defend themselves so you’re free to steal from them.

    – Your whole cult is a scam based on a pile of lies. If you thiunk that people with working brains aren’t on to you, it just shows your arrogance and dilusions.

  41. - But hey, theres nothing any of the people being robbed can do about it, so you’re free to continue pretnding its a legal equitable thing to do. For the children.

  42. - You know, customarily when people need and want charity, they ask, they don’t use the government to steal what they want.

  43. - But you know what. At some point the people your cult is taking such brutal advantage of is going to say enough, and when that happens you won’t be able to find anyone who admits to being a Progressive.

  44. steve reminds me of this:

    Yesterday, upon the stair,
    I met a man who wasn’t there
    He wasn’t there again today
    I wish, I wish he’d go away…

    what with his lack of answers for his grabby ways.

  45. - The new normal. We no longer are a nation of delineated powers and law. Now the WH apparently makes and modifies laws at will.

    – If we don’t act to stop this coup of the Marxo-Socialists we will all be basically enslaved by the bastards. Time is running out for America.

  46. You know, customarily when people need and want charity, they ask, they don’t use the government to steal what they want.

    That is sooo last millennium.

  47. “Who am I taking from?”

    The other citizens of Oregon and the United States, liebot, which you know very well.

    You’re paying less. They’re paying more.

    It’s called “arithmetic”.

  48. “What did you do in the Coup, Daddy?”

  49. What exactly will I be doing that’s so evil?

    See also Exodus 20:17 and Deuteronomy 5:21.

    What is it about the number “ten” that seems to frighten these people? Tenth Amendment, Tenth Commandment… it’s almost as though the sight of their own fingers and toes drives them into panic attacks.

  50. Oregon has vast hydroelectric resources

  51. “Oregon has vast hydroelectric resources”

    for the time being

  52. I would also point out the one about “bearing false witness” but most scholars interpret that to mean in a legal setting, sort of like “perjury”, rather than telling your wife that her new hairdo is “lovely, but have you seen these new burqas?”

  53. she’s got a competition clutch with the four on the floor,and she purrs like a kitten till the lake pipes roar/ain’t if that ain’t enough to make you flip ur lid
    there’s one more thing..i got the pink slip daddy

  54. I still wanna hear Slappy’s explanation for this:

    When Klinkhamer lost her congressional job, she had to buy an individual policy on the open market.

    Three years ago, it was $225 a month with a $2,500 deductible. Each year it went up a little to, as of Sept. 1, $291 with a $3,500 deductible. Then, a few weeks ago, she got a letter.

    “Blue Cross,” she said, “stated my current coverage would expire on Dec. 31, and here are my options: I can have a plan with similar benefits for $647.12 [or] I can have a plan with similar [but higher] pricing for $322.32 but with a $6,500 deductible.”

    She went on, “Blue Cross also tells me that if I don’t pick one of the options, they will just assume I want the one for $647. … Someone please tell me why my premium in January will be $356 more than in December?”

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/marin/23352031-452/obamacare-jacks-up-her-insurance.html

  55. “I was a proud radical, a regular ship of instability plank owner I was, running the agitprops and Narrative scam, and making sure all the air heads on campus stayed on campus, baby girl….but that was before we found out that many were called but few were choosen, and after that it got really ugly….so thats why I don’t talk about that stuff anymore…..”

  56. Who else has had their Medicare Advantage turn around and bite them besides geoffb? My mom and dad are fit to tied.

    Hubs tells me that they are trying to get Tricare in their clutches now. There will be Hell to pay if that’s the case.

  57. CCCC -> Reminds me of how hard a time I had explaining to a young cousin that the CCCP on the side of Soviet rockets was actually SSSR in cyrillic letters and stood for Soyuz Sovetskikh Sotsialisticheskikh Respublik or United Soviet Socialist Republic.

  58. Corrupt Communist Collectivist Power might have worked.

  59. - Leigh, they know theres no money, so they’ll attack any source they can find to fund this naked power grab. The melleniums had no intention of working and paying into the SS system because they knew this rigime was going to butt rape the funds to death and they’d be screwed so they went this way instead with the intent of getting as much spoils out of whatevers left as they can while paying in as little as possible. The formula is that if you have no resource you get to fuck over and steal the tax payers money. Legal theft, curtesy of Bumblefuck.

  60. Also we recently had reporters asking why that shotgun that the police said was a Saiga said CANTO on the side, and speculated that Canto is Russian for Saiga instead of Seeing it as C-> S, Alpha -> A, Cyrillic “backwards N” -> short sound I, Uppercase Gamma -> G, and Alpha -> A

  61. BBH, agreed. This shit has to stop.

  62. - Not to nitpick Paleo – But CCCP is actually pronounced “Yew,Ess,Ess,Arr” in Russki. When a noun begins with “C” its pronounced “Yew”. When the second and third letters are “C”‘s they are prounounced as “Ess’es” and “P” in Cyrillic is the same as “R”, “Arr”.

  63. I think questions confuse Steve.

  64. steve? steve? steve? Wake up!

  65. Most likely, Mueller. My question is an easy one, too. The follow ups are the real ball-breakers.

  66. Jeff, dude we need an epic rant of a post tomorrow. Sentagraphs and everything.

  67. steve’s only comment on this thread has been a lame attempt at “SQUIRREL!” with “well, there’s this Democratic politician that states (without any actual evidence, but TOTALLY SWEARSIES!) that the 404 Care in his State (technically a commonwealth, but to quote Broomstick One: “At this point, what difference does it make?”) is working well.

    And I’m sure that it will be totally fixed by the end of next month.

    TOTALLY SWEARSIES!

  68. - Ok….Some “adorable” for a Maudy Monday break. (After the ducks check out the little girl with a video for moms birthday!) – link.

  69. - To which I would say that the delay the RINO’s are backing is no more legal than any other “legislation” from the WH. Accept it and they have precidence to do whatever they want and get away with it.

  70. Sen. Ron Johnson tells Newsmax he is prepared to sue the “lawless” Obama administration over its decision to grant members of Congress and their staff special treatment under Obamacare.?

  71. Yup. Kill now.

  72. but then ted rall didn’t agree with sarah palin @ dailykooks.

    back to armadillo sightings

  73. >To which I would say that the delay the RINO’s are backing is no more legal than any other “legislation” from the WH.<

    so congress might pass a law and the baracky might sign it is now illegal?

  74. Let it go, nr. We all make mistakes.

  75. United Soviet Socialist Republic

    Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Hence the short name, which even they used (in Russian, of course): Soviet Union.

    The Russian word for Union is soyuz, like the spacecraft. That’s why they named the spacecraft Soyuz, in fact. In Cyrillic letters the word looks sort of like “COIO3,” except with a horizontal line linking the I and the second O into a single letter for the vowel sound yu. The 3 is Z.

  76. the word looks sort of like “COIO3,”

    Like so.

  77. ” We all make mistakes.”

    > People familiar with liberal cartoonist and polemicist Ted Rall will be shocked by a piece he published at Daily Kos Friday wherein he actually agreed with former Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

    Trust me, they’ll likely be even more shocked with what he had to say about President Obama.

    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/10/27/ted-rall-truth-behind-aca-mess-obama-and-his-gang-golfing-buddies-are#ixzz2j4lfjoXd
    <

  78. Yeah, you posted that yesterday.

  79. Stevie is correct of course. The people ARE going to sign up for Obamacare. Sooner or later.

    Wanna know why? Think Don Corleone making you “an offer you can’t refuse”. Think John Roberts cleverly ruling a tax may indeed be levied as a penalty. Think of the IRS as mob enforcers for extortion on a grand scale.

    There will be no escape, only shared misery and a spiral down to single payer, the plan since before Teddy K came up with the HMO.

    Stevie may be none too bright, but he’s also an evil bastard. He’s perfectly willing to sell out his own kid’s future to avoid personal responsibility. Of course I still think he’s totally lying about who he is, but still…

  80. if he posted that twice he owes us all a pack of those 6 lil individualized cheesecakes where you have amaretto and strawberry balsamic ones plus four more ones, e.g.

  81. >Yeah, you posted that yesterday.<

    so noel sheppard is wrong? i'm wrong? you wrong? or sd wrong? but don't blame baracky he don't know

  82. I’m not signing up for Ocare and they can’t make me. You all can visit me at Club Fed.

  83. enjoy

    New York Cheesecake – 9 Inch
    $42.99

    i makes my own @ that price

  84. aldis for the cream cheese @ $1.49

  85. “There are not enough jails, not enough policemen, not enough courts to enforce a law not supported by the people.” — Hubert H. Humphrey

    “The jury has a right to judge both the law as well as the fact in controversy.” — John Jay, 1st Chief Justice of the United States Supreme Court, 1789

    “The jury has the right to determine both the law and the facts.” — Samuel Chase, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, 1796

    “The jury has the power to bring a verdict in the teeth of both law and fact.” — Oliver Wendell Holmes, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, 1902

    “The law itself is on trial quite as much as the cause which is to be decided.” — Harlan F. Stone, 12th Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court, 1941

    “The pages of history shine on instance of the jury’s exercise of its prerogative to disregard instructions of the judge…” — U.S.vs Dougherty, 473 F 2nd 113, 1139, (1972)

  86. Neither the law nor any judge can compel a juror to agree to a guilty verdict if he is determined against it.

  87. somehow it would be more compelling if the url wasn’t “cheesecake.com”

    here is my giftings I give a lot of even though they’re located in the fascist bloombergian island paradise of “manhattan”

    but it’s all to the good

    if the boisterously islamic alqaedamonkeys chance to bomb manhattan again

    at least I can mourn the tasty crispycakes

    in this way we can all come together in grief, as americans

    fuck yeah

  88. [To] which I would say that the delay….so congress might pass a law…

    – Bumblefuck does not consult congress when he decides to make legislation. That is the point.

  89. “You can put a cat in an oven, but that don’t make it a biscuit.”
    -Wesley Snipes

  90. these days we go to waste like wine that’s turned to turpentine

  91. The best-of-seven Series is tied at two games apiece, with Game 6 and 7 (if necessary) headed back to Boston.

    – The kind of writing you get when the assistant to the editor has had a few too many brewskis by games end.

  92. no they have medicaid

    Except for those of us who still don’t qualify, and can’t afford the ridiculous rates we have now. I couldn’t afford it before, how am I supposed to afford it at twice the cost?

  93. - Anti-agitprop: $5.00

  94. >somehow it would be more compelling if the url wasn’t “cheesecake.com”<

    howabout palincheesecake.moose?

  95. > Anti-agitprop: $5.00<

    collect money do nothing. yep gop

  96. no shutdown of fed govt with mitchy. go gop rah!!11!!

  97. I have said that, according to you, you are more than able to meet your family’s insurance expenses without FORCING the rest of the populace to participate in an expensive, intrusive and unnecessary scheme that nationalizes one-sixth of the US economy and eliminates free market competition.

    First, a minor nit. It’s not nationalizing anything. Ownership of insurers, hospitals, clinics, pharmaceuticals, and devices are not transfered into the public’s hands. Rather, insurance has been further regulated such that all plans must cover certain minimum things, etc.

    Second, the cost of insurance was increasing at more than 10% per year. That means that whatever one is paying for insurance now, they can expect the cost to double in about seven years (or the effective coverage to halve, or some combination thereof).

    I’m paying $1400 now, and that’s quite a bite. $2800 is untenable. Seven years isn’t that far away. The number of uninsured and underinsured was simply going to rise and rise.

    And, Americans pay more and get less than any other developed country in the world. By any objective measure, we have a terrible system. Higher costs for worse outcomes.

    As to whether the populace feels “forced” to buy insurance they don’t want, time will tell. My opinion is that there are tens of millions of people who are very much looking forward to finally having health insurance. I certainly don’t feel forced. I’m looking forward to my premiums dropping by around $400 per month. If this is forced, it feels great :).

    Finally, it’s completely inaccurate to say that the ACA eliminates competition. Most exchanges have plans offered from dozens of insurers. Insurers are competing vigorously for new customers.

    I’m happy to have as lengthy of a discussion as you’d like, but I’d humbly ask that you avoid hyperbole like “nationalize” and “eliminate competition”.

    Final question, leigh, if you could get affordable insurance, from a private insurer (even a for profit one, if it makes you happy), why wouldn’t you?

  98. - Lets see, after 7 plus days we have signed up 3 people in Alaska. That works out to 2.25 days / person. At that rate it will be sometime in the fall of 2087 when the full elegible population is signed up. It also means that OCare will not be relevent because most will die before they can take advantage of it.

    – So in a sense Bumblefuck was correct. You can keep your own insurance because you’ll never have another, and your premiuums won’t increase because you’ll be dead before you can get another policy where they could.

  99. > Rather, insurance has been further regulated such that all plans must cover certain minimum things, etc.<

    no the fed gov't effin took it over clown. free contracts are illegal. you are toooo stupid O!bot

  100. - Speaking of hyperbole Steve-dolt, we’d be much more inclined to give any serious attention to your comments if you just admitted up front your sole motivation for embracing OCare is a chance to score something someone else may have to pay for.

    – At least that would be honest, if no less dispicable.

  101. > Insurers are competing vigorously for new customers. <

    4 plans is "competition" in proggtardia

  102. - 4 plans that have to meet a narrowly limited template is a Marxist idea of compitition. We got it.

  103. @ 50+ i neeeeed the maternity coverage. clown no baracky clown

  104. palincheesecake.moose is like 7 times more american than all the coen bros movies put together and sizzled hot and flavorful and gently scooped up and placed inside of an ortega brand taco shell what you enjoy on a redwood picnic table with grandma and a near-toxic dose of citronella

    cause of the mosquitos

    which carry disease for example that one they put up the signs about

    loose change, bank notes
    weary-eyed, dry throat
    call girl, no phone

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAWcs5H-qgQ

  105. - What you will get with such a system is totally uneccessary coverage items for a large number of people, which forces you to pay for something you can’t use, (but helps like crazy to pay the “pool” to cover all the deadbeats), and of course you’ll find that if your premiums have gone up on one policy they will go up on any choices you have.

    – One other thing Steve-dolt. So far your brain dead cult keeps talking about how the insurers will compete vigorously for business.

    – Why shoiuld they compete to lose money?

    – Slipping in givens that are anything but givens is part of the reason that a ham sandwitch would be smart enough to see through the Lefts bullshit. There are many others.

  106. “Second, the cost of insurance was increasing at more than 10% per year.”

    Except this year, when it’s increasing 99%.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/25/double-down-obamacare-will-increase-avg-individual-market-insurance-premiums-by-99-for-men-62-for-women/

    Next year? I can’t wait.

    “My opinion is that there are tens of millions of people who are very much looking forward to finally having health insurance.”

    “Insurance” that costs hundreds of dollars per month and doesn’t cover anything until you’ve paid out many thousands in deductibles?

    My opinion is that you have your head several feed up your ass. Which we already knew.

  107. “Several feet up your ass”, that should be.

    Bed now.

  108. Speaking of hyperbole Steve-dolt, we’d be much more inclined to give any serious attention to your comments if you just admitted up front your sole motivation for embracing OCare is a chance to score something someone else may have to pay for.

    Um, I’ll be paying full boat for my plan, and my taxes will be going to subsidize someone else’s – so I think you have it backwards.

    One other thing Steve-dolt. So far your brain dead cult keeps talking about how the insurers will compete vigorously for business. – Why shoiuld they compete to lose money?

    You’d have to ask them. Apparently, they don’t plan on losing money.

    http://www.coveroregon.com/coverage/providers

  109. SBP – The source of the research in the Forbes article is a conservative think tank. That doesn’t prove their analysis is wrong, but it’s fair to suspect bias. Let’s at least agree to cite sources that are generally regarded as objective.

    And, the deductible for some plans doesn’t apply to general practitioners, labs, x-rays, and generic drugs. So, depending on the plan, someone could have a high deductible and still have very affordable, usable, care.

  110. “Um, I’ll be paying full boat for my plan”

    No, you won’t. Most people in your state are seeing their rates go up. Yours are going down, or so you say.

    You’re a mooch who could easily afford to pay his own way, but you won’t.

    As far as people “wanting health insurance” goes, your cadre of low information voters thought they were getting “free health care”. When it turns out to cost hundreds per month, things are going to get mighty ugly.

    That will cut into the rims, sneaks, tattoo, and piercing budget, dawg.

    I wouldn’t mention your “awesome deal” to that 25 year old barista unless you want spittle in your lackawhackafrackacandyassmochaccino.

  111. It’s not nationalizing anything. Ownership of insurers, hospitals, clinics, pharmaceuticals, and devices are not transfered into the public’s hands. Rather, insurance has been further regulated such that all plans must cover certain minimum things, etc.

    Fascism by any other name would smell as bad …

  112. “Let’s at least agree to cite sources that are generally regarded as objective.”

    You mean like “If you like your coverage you can keep it” Obama?

    Snicker.

    You’re not going to be able to paper this over, no matter how much you spin. Those bills are going to start showing up in the mail. Better come up with something better than this before they do.

  113. BTW inane

    Doctors are now forbidden to own hospitals … oh, they are ‘grandfathering’ in a few, but they are not allowed to grow.

    So you can pick that nit out of your nose and swallow it.

  114. “You mean like “If you like your coverage you can keep it” Obama?”

    Or maybe “The web site is going to be fine” Sebelius. Or “we have to pass it before we can find out what’s in it” Pelosi.

  115. Here’s that TEA Party cheerleading media — NBC — saying Obama Admin KNEW millions could not keep their health insurance

  116. SBP – Let’s just wait and see what people end up paying, and how it compares to what they’re actually paying now. That might turn out to be different than that a conservative think tank calculates (guesses).

    The very fact that I’m seeing what I’ll actually be paying going down is one bit of evidence that the Forbes “research” might be off the mark. Oregon is also a state where the rates on the exchange came in below estimates – another indication that actual policy holders might not end up seeing their actual rates go up.

  117. You’re a mooch who could easily afford to pay his own way, but you won’t. – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51729#comment-1029701

    How could I possibly pay my own way any more?

  118. The very fact that I’m seeing what I’ll actually be paying going down

    If it’s because of subsidies, then your neighbor is picking up your slack.

    deal with that, moocher.

  119. Darleen, NBC apparently had an, on-off-change-on again, relationship with that article.

  120. geoffb

    It was weird … here, then gone, then back again …

    And we know that Obama’s admin loves to twist arms

    it’s the Chicago Way

  121. loves to twist arms

    You can bet the authors and publishers got an earful from the W.H. There’s no ownership of the media like the ClownDisaster’s ownership.

  122. At least one person finds California’s government a world class wonder to be emulated and then “No-Labeled” to be safe forever.

    California has found a formula for ending the partisan warfare that once paralyzed its government: Get rid of one of the parties, in this case, the Republican. The state’s famously dysfunctional government now hums with calm efficiency.

    Democrats there hold a supermajority in the state Legislature, making it well-nigh impossible for Republicans to gum up their plans. The governor, Jerry Brown, is a Democrat as well.

    The nation might avail itself of a similar solution, given the Republican leadership’s inability to stop a destructive minority from threatening America’s credit rating and turning the country into a global laughingstock (the way California used to be). Moving the House of Representatives into Democratic hands might give us all a needed rest.

  123. How very Soviet of her.

  124. “One party state” does have a sort of mesmerizing rhythmic appeal for those who just have to chant cant.

  125. SBP / Darleen – I get no subsidies.

  126. the way California used to be

    USED to be??

    Damn, he should sell what he’s smokin’

  127. inane

    Sure you don’t. Yep. That’s the ticket.

  128. I sure don’t. So am I still somehow a freeloader?

  129. - When they notice their ears and tails and snoots have grown out and the weather on Pleasure island changes for the worse it will be too late. Not to late for revolt back to a Republic, but too late for it to happen without the usual pile of bodies that accompanies yet another Marxo-Socialist failed experiment.

    “Rejoice comrads….The Utopia is just around the next bend…do not dispair, the revolution is nie….120 years and 100 million bodies proves nothing!!!!” – (this message is beamed to the faithful everywhere since 1957 from outer space by Laika the space dog)

  130. - Steve-dolt, a first year economy major knows that when you totally de-incentivize, and generally fuck with any market, you can bet it will inflate out the ass. Thats basic. Even some of the cost rises just prior to ACA inactment were due to the anxieties the bill caused in the market.

    – People who need to sell snake oil always ignore the poisons among the snakes.

  131. - Like I said last night Steve-dolt, judging from the excellance displayed by the handling/web site and the tremendously positive rollout of O’Care, you must be really feeling secure and smart in your decision to put the health of you and your family in the hands of this administration.

    – And why not. What could possibly go wrong.

  132. Even some of the cost rises just prior to ACA inactment were due to the anxieties the bill caused in the market.

    Healthcare costs increases actually weren’t so bad *just prior* to the ACA enactment, because the economy had collapsed. Now for the two decades before the ACA, they were pretty bad.

    you must be really feeling secure and smart in your decision to put the health of you and your family in the hands of this administration.

    I’ll actually be using a private insurer, just like I did before the ACA. The only difference is they have to cover certain things, can’t boot me as easily, and have to take me on with my terrible pre-existing condition of occasional headaches. I won’t be calling the government when I want to see a doctor, or have a bill paid, or pay my premiums. In fact, I probably won’t be dealing with the government for anything, as I’ll probably buy directly from the insurer rather than through the exchange – ’cause you can do that.

  133. ’cause you can do that.

    – Hey yes, I got that. Sounds really pat. ‘Course you’ll also have to deal directly with the Insureres who petition the gov for 40% premium jumps when they have to pay out millions to people that had no decent care for years simply because they choose to buy entertainment over health care.

    – The gov won’t go there saz you. Ah contrar’ mon aide de stupid’, when the companies threaten to drop out of coverage altogether they will get their hikes and you will get the shaft.

    – If you really believe the Bumblefuck and his minions of braindead Progressives give a shit about you past your vote they hope to buy you’re certifiably nutz, and they are right about your crowd.

  134. The insurers won’t petition the government for anything. They don’t need government permission to raise their rates when next year rolls around. But customers are equally free to drop their insurers and buy from someone else (for the first time) – so insurers have to think about how jacking their rates might effect the number customers they end up with – golly – like in a regular market.

    And since insurance is basically a commodity, the insurers who can do it better (more efficiently while maintaining good reviews and customer service) stand to grow and profit, while the ones that suck will likely wither.

    The really great thing is that for-profit insurers have to compete head-to-head against non-profit insurers. Who do you think’s gonna win that one?

  135. Course you’ll also have to deal directly with the Insureres who petition the gov for 40% premium jumps when they have to pay out millions to people that had no decent care for years simply because they choose to buy entertainment over health care

    Ah. I see. The obvious solution is to make sure those poor slobs NEVER get insurance – lest they pollute the clean pool that the rest of us insured swim in. How neighborly of you.

  136. - I’ll tell you some things that will happen in the next few years Steve-dolt, based on whats happened in every case where an industry has been effectively captured by the gov.

    * Doctors and private clinics will opt out and go to a cash and carry based business because they can. If the government tries facist efforts to kill such a market approach there will be bloodshed, and it won’t work in any event. Also as the grey/black market grows that will put even more preassure on the gov controlled health industry.

    * Companies will not simply obsorb uncovered losses. They’ll either raise prices for services, stop offering services, or cut back quality of service. Your faux cheaper policy won’t mean much if you can’t actually get service when you need it. This situation is why up until now so many foreigners traveled to the US for services they can’t get from their own “socialized medicine” disasters.

    – The real problem you progressive assholes have is this crap has all been tried numerous times before with the same failed results.

  137. How neighborly of you.

    – Its not my responsibility to encourage irresponsible behavior or save the asses of people too stupid to look out for their own well being. Thats straight up Communist bullshit Steve-dolt, but we know you don’t even try to cover up your real warped politics.

    – As a matter of human nature what will happen is the more you do for people that refuse to take responsibility for their own wellfare the more they will intentionally take advantage of you. Will there be a point where you just refuse to wipe the poop off their asses, or is there no limit to how “neighborly” you’re willing to be taken advantage of?

  138. “Ah. I see. The obvious solution is to make sure those poor slobs NEVER get insurance – lest they pollute the clean pool that the rest of us insured swim in. How neighborly of you. ”

    They could already get insurance in Texas with discounts and subsidies Steve by being put into a high risk pool and providing a couple of rejections for coverage within their range of affordability. This was done as a condition of being allowed to do business in Texas and was negotiated by the State Board of Insurance. Nobody ANYWHERE was making sure that nobody could get insurance. Ever. That’s just a dumb talking point to make a credulous asshole’s head spin. It’s a stupid fucking lie that only ignorant idiots swallow.

    And why can’t I buy health insurance across State lines Steve? Why can’t I reserve my “normal or routine” coverage like check ups and cold season exams to a tax free medical spending account and use the insurance for more expensive things like tests, referrals, and surgery or catastrophic insurance? Why am I in a fucking pool that charges me out the ass for routine services that I don’t want or need and then denies me benefits anyway based on having a high deductable making it de-facto catastrophic insurance beyond the price of full coverage ?

    Because it is a redistributive tax and NOT a base-level universal health insurance program. It is designed to rip off people who want minimal coverage or are healthy and pass their money on to indigents who are themselves on a rationing system that would rather give them placebos, cheap palliatives, and silly bullshit like acupuncture and aromatherapy in place of real care.

  139. Texas’ high risk “un-insurable” assistance programwas hardly unique or even unusual Steve. Nor was medical charity. You aren’t doing fuckity shit for 10 million uninsured (the vast majority of which were youngsters who didn’t want or need health insurance) and are fucking everything up for 220 million.

  140. Meanwhile, my eye doctor retired rather than deal with this dishonest fail storm of perfect leftist wet dream shit.

  141. “You’d have to ask them. Apparently, they don’t plan on losing money.”

    Neither did Solyndra or the Cowboy Poetry festival. Or cash for Clunkers. Or the stimulus ” projects “…

  142. - Before OCare was even floated in every state in the union, (all 57 using Bumblefucks educated comments), no one could be turned away from an emergency clinic, and they recieved whatever care they needed even if they couldn’t pay a fucking dime.

    – I wonder Steve-dolt, is it possible thats where Californicates 62 Billion deficit might have come from, serving the 40+ million illegals in the statefor the last 45+ years since theres been vertially zero border control. You think?

  143. - So there you have it. Inclusion and diversity demands that instead of steming the flood of illegals its much better to make the other working stiffs pay for their services, redistribution of wealth, which of course will encourage even more flooding of illegals into the states and so on. At some point America will be like every other despot slum ridden impoverished country. Will that be neighborly enough, or is there a plan B to fuck things up even more?

  144. - The Left want to commit social suicide, and theres not a cogent fucking reason in the world why we should allow them to do so.

  145. - But just answer the one question, I don’t want to confuse you Steve-dolt. How neighborly are you willing to be in the name of “diversity theory” and “inclusion/victim class politics”. How far are you willing to be taken advantage of before you rebel?

  146. - You see, thats a problem for Bumblefuck. He can’t threaten The Euro’s to shut them up (IRS/HHS/HLS) or hide them (CIA/NSA/SecState/Benghazi) like he can our gov workers. Wouldn’t it be ironic if we had sanctions on us just like Iran. *snort*

  147. - The looming “Death spiral” for O’Care.

  148. Thanks for the Sheeran link Happy. The man has talent.

  149. hellomynameissteve says October 29, 2013 at 12:13 am
    The insurers won’t petition the government for anything. They don’t need government permission to raise their rates when next year rolls around. But customers are equally free to drop their insurers and buy from someone else (for the first time) – so insurers have to think about how jacking their rates might effect the number customers they end up with – golly – like in a regular market.

    No they don’t. The government mandates that every one have insurance. There is now no incentive to lower rates since health insurance is no longer customer oriented, but regulator oriented. The insurance companies will do whatever the government tells them to do.

    And since insurance is basically a commodity, the insurers who can do it better (more efficiently while maintaining good reviews and customer service) stand to grow and profit, while the ones that suck will likely wither.

    No. you’ve effectively removed the buyer from the equation. Go back and read my small note on how markets work.

    The really great thing is that for-profit insurers have to compete head-to-head against non-profit insurers. Who do you think’s gonna win that one?

    The ones who can satisfy the regulators demands.
    When there is no incentive to satisfy the demands of the buyer, cost and service both suffer.
    – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51729#comments

    The cost of goods and services do not go down when a market is controlled by a third party.
    All the wishing in the world isn’t going to make it any different.

  150. - Well fuck yesh, wasn’t that the whole point of pandering to get elected?

    – The founders just never imagined how far the power hungrey would pimp for votes, and how easily the young would whore themselves for a piece of responsibility free ass.

  151. Progressives don’t understand markets. At all.

    hellomynameisfuckstick is living proof.

    The insurance companies are behaving exactly as expected by anyone who does understand markets.

  152. I’ll actually be using a private insurer, just like I did before the ACA. The only difference is they have to cover certain things

    The latter belies the former, no matter how you torture the language.

  153. You have to pass implement the bill and wait until things stabilize a few years down the road so you can know what’s in it, and whether it’s tenable.

    It’s like stimulus that way. Just wish really hard.

  154. “Doctors and private clinics will opt out and go to a cash and carry based business because they can.”

    Yes. If that’s outlawed, expect to see “back alley proctologists” and the like.

    Notice that Slaphead STILL hasn’t bought that “awesome” insurance.

  155. “The latter belies the former, no matter how you torture the language.”

    Indeed. I won’t buy insurance from any company that offers Obamacare policies, any more than I’ll buy a car from GM.

  156. Just for fun, and to counter Stevie’s single unverifiable anecdote by a long time Obama supporter and “community organizer,” I give you this.

  157. You have to pass implement the bill and wait until things stabilize a few years down the road so you can know what’s in it, and whether it’s tenable.

    It’s sort of like a “Five-Year Plan.”

  158. It’s very Soviet, Carin.

  159. Healthcare costs increases actually weren’t so bad *just prior* to the ACA enactment, because the economy had collapsed. Now for the two decades before the ACA, they were pretty bad.

    Oh, yes, except for the prices of Rx drugs. My husband’s drugs went from around $87 a month in 2007 to it’s current price of $190.

  160. Leigh, what America needs is better organization. And Obama and his friends are the right folks to do it.

  161. I’ll say, Carin. Look at their smashing success with . . . Give me a minute.

  162. You know, though,I think this is a good time to reflect that Obama is a good man, right?

  163. The insurance companies are behaving exactly as expected by anyone who does understand markets. -

    That there is the problem. Understanding the markets, I mean. DOn’t worry, Common Core (and the inclusion of Howard Zinn’s book in elementary school – which luckily comes in comic book form) will take care of this.

  164. Darleen,
    To your point, it is almost impossible for Californians to distinguish between private and public entities anymore. I’m willing to cut hellomynameissteve some slack therefore.

    Here’s why: it has become evermore acceptable among the state’s remaining free-market champions (ie, the “Republicans”) to compromise with the Democrats’ expansion of state apparatuses by legislating that the agencies designed to deliver the new state services be “private” enterprises.

    The rub is, any enterprise whose function is to distribute state services works for the state and must, in the end, bill the state’s treasury. This fact, coupled with the agencies’ interests in seeing the state’s payments increased regularly (in order to bolster its principals’ salaries, etc), renders the agency just another de facto public office. In short, it acts exactly like a state-sponsored, public enterprise.

    After thirty plus years of Republicans’ compromises on this point, the distinction between public and private is certifiably dead in California. The state’s GOP failed to reign in Sacramento’s Progressive’s budgets and even, by virtue of their reticence to be seen saying “no” to new spending, they complied with the Democrats’ gross expansion of the state’s oppressive tax and regulatory regimes.

    Sure, they’ll tell you that they “held the line” by insisting that newly legislated agencies be called “private.” But in the end, their substitution of pusillanimous word-play for hard-headed legislating lost them the state.

    Public? Private? What’s the diff?!

  165. Public? Private? What’s the diff?!

    Socialism, public ownership of everything is de jure.

    Fascism, public ownership of everything is de facto.

    Californiaism, hey, we can get the worst of both.

  166. you are welcome Mr. BT that song was weirdly a hit in the heartland but mostly just ignored by the coastal arbiters of such things

  167. I’ll actually be using a private insurer, just like I did before the ACA. The only difference is they have to cover certain things

    The latter belies the former, no matter how you torture the language.

    Being able to hold such an obviously contradictory idea in their heads is why our Liberal friends are convinced that Fascism is the logical end point of a capitalist, market economy.

  168. HTML fail.

    I miss the preview function.

  169. The really great thing is that for-profit insurers have to compete head-to-head against non-profit insurers. Who do you think’s gonna win that one?

    Stevie’s worldview, nutshelled.

  170. Nut-shells are where nuts live, right until they start turning into a tree.

  171. It’s fascinating the way Steve and his comrades believe that simplest economic concepts can be disposed of via government fiat. The fact of the matter is, a commodity is only worth what I’m willing to pay for it and not a penny more or less. If government tries to artificially raise the price, people will buy the commodity on the black market or find alternatives. If government tries to artificially lower the price, the commodity also disappears from the market, because no sane producer is going to sell something for less than what the consumer is willing to pay.

    With O-care, not only do we have an artificial raising of the price, but its solution, compulsory consumption, tosses in a new wrinkle. That is, if consumers are compelled to buy something they don’t want at an inflated price, producers have ZERO incentive to satisfy the consumer. They need only satisfy the government regulators, which means the consumer gets a shit sandwich for his inflated expenditures. The end result of all this will be the total destruction of health care in the United States for everyone except the lucky few ensconced within the Beltway.

  172. The theftists hope the blame will fall on the insurance carriers and not on the government nannies who crafted the Too Stupid to Succeed system.

  173. Thanks for the VDH piece, geoff.

  174. I’m starting to think that Steve’s $250K paycheck is coming out of a non-profit.

  175. Meanwhile, elderly couples have to include maternity care and birth control in their (mandated) policies with massively increased deductibles, and all those young folk who never use insurance are going to be dropped by their private company insurance, because it would be cheaper to simply pay the $2,000/person fine than pay more than that to insure the worker. (You think that there are any policies out there available for a mere $2,000/year, now that the insurers MUST offer all the bells and whistles to satisfy those regulators?)

    If that penalty amount goes up, the company will just start cutting workers, subdivide into separate small companies/franchises or shut down all together, and start again as an employer with less than 50 employees.

    Acting in their own self-interest isn’t just for politicians any more…

    Boutique medicine and urgent care (STRICTLY CASH) will become much more popular, so that will be the next target of pecksniffery busybodies trying to control their neighbors.

  176. I did a quick and dirty search on $250K jobs in Oregon the other day. I’m thinking he’s not telling the truth and/or RichardCranium is correct.

  177. Il Duce Obama’s masters greatly underestimate the size and scope of the black market, a market that is growing exponentially by their confiscatory actions on people’s dollars.

  178. That is, if consumers are compelled to buy something they don’t want at an inflated price, producers have ZERO incentive to satisfy the consumer. They need only satisfy the government regulators, which means the consumer gets a shit sandwich for his inflated expenditures.

    But, Sherm — we were just assured by Stevelandia that the new regime is all about free markets and vigorous competition! You can’t really believe that a tightly-regulated service that customers are forced to buy is significantly different from a free market. That’s just crazy talk!

    Besides, Stevelandia has already assured us that the awesome insurance he bought for his family with the quarter-million he makes as a freelance* something-or-other is available even cheaper now that it covers a host of additional politically popular conditions and free riders! So obviously everything is going to be amazing!

    * He must be freelance, since he’s buying in the individual market.

  179. Drum, boutique medicine/concierge practice has been here since O-care passed. My wife’s physician immediately went to a concierge practice: Limited number of patients, annual cash payment, 24 hour on call service and no insurance. His reason was O-care. He didn’t want to deal with the hassles and further felt it would destroy his ability to discharge his oath as a physician. The problem will only increase, as more physicians get out of the system, leaving the recipients of O-care with big premiums but no doctors.

  180. I did a quick and dirty search on $250K jobs in Oregon the other day.

    The Governor only gets $93,600, so I’m betting that Slappy is flat-out lying, trying to puff up his bona fides.

    See also “philosophunculist”.

  181. The problem will only increase, as more physicians get out of the system, leaving the recipients of O-care with big premiums but no doctors

    Let me get Slappy’s response ready for the inevitable consequences (just to show how predictable it will be): “He’s not nationalizing health care workers, he’s improving efficiency by making them all government workers!” (Of course, that means that the State is now responsible for training them, which means that the med schools are also under State control, through a zampolit, or “political officer”. You know, the guy who gets a veto over everything that goes on at that location. Plus all of the urgent care clinics will now also have one, and won’t that improve efficiency, adding supervisory bureaucracies at the neighborhood level?)

  182. trying to puff up his bona fides.

    And why not, Drum? Who’s going to call him out on it, besides us, I mean.

  183. “Better to be thought a murderer than a liar, for no one listens to the wind.”

  184. Hearing “the shopping experience” the government intends to impose on all adult Americans, repeated over and over by the ClownDisaster lackey is kinda hilarious, really.

    Who has ever had a “shopping experience” mandated by law? Most all people, one imagines, go shopping when they choose to, seeing themselves in need of something, or finding themselves with a desire for something, even if the “something” is merely the act of going shopping itself, possibly ending in no purchase at all.

    Evidently though, the ClownDisaster administration has no experience of the market experience, if it cannot think through the enormous friction (and jarring juxtaposition) of its chosen rhetoric against the commonplace life of the Americans upon whom it would dictatorially impose its narrow notion of the good.

  185. Drum, boutique medicine/concierge practice has been here since O-care passed.

    How long ’til such arrangements qualify as “minimum essential coverage,” thus relieving one of the obligation to pay the surcharge tax fee individual collective responsibility payment pound of flesh doubleplus goodpay?

    Will there be enough people with political pull to make it happen? Or will we wind up with yet another situation where you pay taxes for the peasants and then pony up your own dough to keep your loved ones from suffering within the system that your moral superiors have established?

  186. Is that possible to have State legislatures officially define such arrangements that way? I know Oklahoma would be first to give it a try, and there are a few judges that would back them up.

  187. If they can, I expect Oklahoma to become QUITE popular. Fight the battle of the Panhandles to get control of Amarillo (and the Pantex plant just outside it), and suddenly Oklahoma is a nuclear power…

  188. Drumwaster, I’ve been pressing slappy for his bona fides for weeks, without response. My guess is that he’s a paid shill for obamacare, sent out to sell the rubes on the wisdom and beneficence of the plan. Why else would he continue to troll-drop in here to be met with scorn, disdain and reasoned responses to his drivel?
    Sloppy, if you’re around, you can still salvage some respect:
    Education
    Degree(s)
    Occupation
    One likeable characteristic.

  189. My guess is that he’s a paid shill for obamacare, sent out to sell the rubes on the wisdom and beneficence of the plan.

    Good thing they pay off on good intentions, rather than results, because those intentions are all he’s managed to put out there.

  190. it comes as no surprise to me that a State whose “hip” electorate foists Jerry Brown upon the remainder of its citizens at any point in history outside of the post-Nixon 1970s would find themselves blindsided by the racist, xenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic, and nativist collaboration of arithmetic and economics, coming together to create a wingnut reality in which wishing something to be so doesn’t just magically make it happen, be it through good intentions or the magic of CGI.

    To put it another way: if those Californians “shocked” by reality had gone to sleep with0ut visions of unicorns dancing around in their heads, perhaps awakening to nothing by grade-A horseshit wouldn’t have been so jarring.

    It also comes as little surprise that in a comment thread prefaced by remarks on the failed psychology of communitarianism – the minds of the now proudly collectively dysfunctional – our resident communitarian would prove the malaise by promptly asking, yo what’s wrong, dudes.

    Who am I taking from? What exactly will I be doing that’s so evil? Let me know and I’ll do my best to answer.

    And then

    I’m happy to have as lengthy of a discussion as you’d like

    Both are untrue. Since steve refuses to consider the core issue it won’t be either a discussion or lengthy.

    Although steve has one point, alluded to when he remarks

    Your shrill screams of Nothing Is Working Anywhere for Anyone…

    Which translated serves as a serious warning: When they do fix Obamacare it is they who will be heroes. And both will occur, including on your backs, that being your place in all this.

    In the long term – and communitarianism is infinitely patient – Obamacare’s present failure shall become it’s biggest selling point. It’ll be a Big Fucking Deal all over again.

    I encourage arguments against Obamacare to not concentrate on the particulars, which are transient. Concentrate on the philosophical and structural points, the very points steve hasn’t the integrity to honestly consider, no matter what he promises.

    There are those simply destined to live on their knees.

  191. Saw an interesting movie the other day, “The Joneses”, with David Duchovny and Demi Moore.

    Reminds me a lot of what ol’ Slappy has been doing, without the “cool” factor thrown in.

  192. “steve reminds me of this:”

    Hit it, Tex.

  193. My guess is that he’s a paid shill for obamacare, sent out to sell the rubes on the wisdom and beneficence of the plan.

    At least we now know where all the #Occupy goobs (the ones with slightly more usable skills than the ‘large fries with that?’ Wymens Studies set) wound up: as paid OFA oafs.

  194. How long before BHO hints that ACA protests will be necessary (thus required of media shills and OFAoafs)? I’m guessing around February or March, when the next phase begins…that being, ramping up to replace OFailCare with Single Payer; timed to coincide with Barky’s push to take the House “so we can CHANGE our healthcare plan to a fair and workable single-payer plan covering all Americans.”

    Watch for the almost overnight pivot.

  195. the ‘large fries with that?’ Wymens Studies set

    I am reminded of a joke:

    An Engineer asks “How does it work?”
    A Scientist asks “Why does it work?”
    An Accountant will ask, “How much does it cost?”
    A Liberal Arts major asks “Do you want fries with that?”

  196. I am unclear about the persuasive power of mocking and belittling those one wishes to persuade (read: force) to purchase an expensive commodity of dubious utility.

    That approach surely wouldn’t have worked when I was selling cars back in the day.

  197. **** Hey, could one of you that knows how to work this WordPress site drop me a note and let me know how to upload a picture (avatar) ? I’m tired of being a blank (jake.holmes@centurylink.com).

    Thanks in advance.

    (ps.. trolls, spammers and flamers, please dont..)

  198. I am unclear about the persuasive power of mocking and belittling those one wishes to persuade (read: force) to purchase an expensive commodity of dubious utility.

    If you think for a moment about the use (utility) of misdirection and diversion, leigh, then any mystery regarding the insult delivered ought to evaporate. Persuasion simply plays no role. Which is why I’m happy to remind one and all of the ending of the aphorism once again: “. . . and the pig likes it.” When you wrestle the pig, you’re doing what he wants.

  199. ouroboros…..Suddenly, without warning, a red flag started waving in front of his eyes. He knew he should resist, but, the call of the flag was too strong….

    I believe you’re looking for gravatar.com

  200. Create an account at Gravatar.com. WordPress uses Gravatar avatars.

  201. Agreed with your basta, sdferr. I don’t expect any answers out of the dunce, I’ve just been poking him with a stick.

  202. “How long before BHO hints that ACA protests will be necessary”

    Yep. Just wait until busloads of ACORN and SEIU thugs start showing up at the houses of the insurance executives. It was a deal with the devil, guys.

  203. Steve said,”I’m happy to have as lengthy of a discussion as you’d like” – See more at: http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=51729#comments

    I don’t think Steve is being honest with us.

    I’ve tried several times to engage him, but I get ignored.

    Perhaps my intelligence is intimidating.

  204. steve is busy building an army of strawmen. He’ll get back to us. Right? Right?

  205. Slaphead is whistling past the graveyard.

    Assuming that any of his story is true, the “little woman” is likely to dump him and demand that he buy real insurance for the kids as part of the settlement.

  206. - Wasting your time people. You can’t bluff a neophyte in poker and you can’t shame an ideologue. They have no shame or they wouldn’t be shilling in the first place.

  207. It would be interesting to go to every conservative website and see if there is a shill trying to sell ZeroCare. The administration must be in panic mode to have called out all these trolls.

  208. leigh says October 29, 2013 at 12:10 pm steve is busy building an army of strawmen. He’ll get back to us. Right? Right?

    Less “building” and more “downloading talking points from the Hive” in his case.

  209. Heh, I figured you’d know what I meant, Pat.

    Red, from my cruising around the interwebs (when I’m not sewing battle flags, steve) there is indeed at least one troll per site talking about the pure awesome that is Ocare.

    It’s like magic.

  210. leigh, if you’re making battle flags, don’t forget the one with 57 stars.

  211. Funny you should say that Blake. Those are the first ones I started!

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