George Zimmerman was acquitted of all charges, but Holder’s DOJ is refusing to allow the return of his gun.
The U.S. Department of Justice, overseen by Attorney General Eric Holder, has ordered the Sanford, Florida police department to keep possession of all the evidence from George Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial – including the exonerated neighborhood watch volunteer’s gun.
Sanford police confirmed on Thursday that the DOJ asked the agency not to return any pieces of evidence to their owners. Zimmerman was expected to get his firearm back by month’s end.
The development is a sign that the criminal section of the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division is seriously investigating Zimmerman to determine if federal civil rights charges should be filed.
I actually doubt that any charges will be filed, but this is just another way to use the investigative process as punishment in and of itself. Just as the IRS kept TEA Party and other enemies of the Obama regime tied up for months in outrageous red tape, so the Justice (sic) Department can drag Zimmerman and his family through months of harassment until they say “Oh, nevermind.”
There is no adequate profanity to cover such cynical and evil actions.
It is what they do, it is what they are.
It would be very interesting to see the Sanford police department tell the DoJ to go get stuffed, and simply return Zimmerman’s property in accord with Florida law. In fact, that simple act would make a fine start to recovering a sanity in American federalism.
Sanford PD should tell DoJ that “Oops! We already returned his property to him”, even if they haven’t yet and then do so.
I’ve heard it speculated that this move was actually to prevent the data on Trayvon’s phone from being recovered and made public. Interesting theory, FWIW.
So the radio goes off at 7am but I don’t really wake up. I’m in my grandparents’ living room with various interlocutors, including Rajesh from Big Bang Theory. Dude just won’t shut UP.
Over and over I try to get a word in edgewise: The process IS the punishment, I shout, but at no time do I complete the phrase without Raj stepping on one or both nouns.
Inconsiderate bastard.
to prevent the data on Trayvon’s phone from being recovered
That makes little sense, insofar as it’s already in the possession of Zimmerman’s defense team having (finally!) been turned over as a component of trial discovery.
and gz has the “lake” effect vis a vis gun ownership
Asked? What is asked? There is an order or there is no order. There is no ask.
Well, if all they did was ask . . .
“. There is no ask.”
yes there is. baracky and co. bust on the peeps doing the releasing. go to a judge and let “the show trial” cont.
This is where the show should change channels and find a different fool in the dock. Holder, I’m thinking.
Evidence supporting probable cause or GTFO, Stedman.
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I think the country is reaching critical mass as pertains to crises.
I think a “clerical error” that “accidentally” released his gun would be wholly appropriate… kind of like the clerical error that resulted in a lien on Christine O’Donnell’s home, and the subsequent publication of that fact (later withdrawn).
Just like the accidental release of tax records of conservative organizations to their liberal foes.
“Our bad,” “mistakes were made,” “not criminal,” “we decline to prosecute.” etc
Two can play at that passive-aggressive game.
Yes – Close To The Edge
“Our system is most frequently characterized as a dictatorship or, more precisely, as the dictatorship of a political bureaucracy over a society which has undergone economic and social leveling. I am afraid that the term “dictatorship,” regardless of how intelligible it may otherwise be, tends to obscure rather than clarify the real nature of power in this system. . . Even though our dictatorship has long since alienated itself completely from the social movements that give birth to it, the authenticity of these movements (and I am thinking of the proletarian and socialist movements of the nineteenth century) gives it undeniable historicity. These origins provided a solid foundation of sorts on which it could build until it became the utterly new social and political reality it is today, which has become so inextricably a part of the structure of the modern world. . . . It commands an incomparably more precise, logically structured, generally comprehensible and, in essence, extremely flexible ideology that, in its elaborateness and completeness, is almost a secularized religion. It offers a ready answer to any question whatsoever; it can scarcely be accepted only in part, and accepting it has profound implications for human life. In an era when metaphysical and existential certainties are in a state of crisis, when people are being uprooted and alienated and are losing their sense of what this world means, this ideology inevitably has a certain hypnotic charm. . . .
{3}The profound difference between our system-in terms of the nature of power-and what we traditionally understand by dictatorship, a difference I hope is clear even from this quite superficial comparison, has caused me to search for some term appropriate for our system, purely for the purposes of this essay. If I refer to it henceforth as a “post-totalitarian” system, I am fully aware that this is perhaps not the most precise term, but I am unable to think of a better one. I do not wish to imply by the prefix “post” that the system is no longer totalitarian; on the contrary, I mean that it is totalitarian in a way fundamentally different from classical dictatorships, different from totalitarianism as we usually understand it. ”
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If a federal judge hasn’t ordered Sanford PD to hold GZ’s property, Sanford PD’s safest move, legally, is to ignore the DOJ request. GZ is already generating complaints to file against agencies that violated his rights; the police should force DOJ to take the hit for any new ones.
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– The DoJ may be able to use one of the Leftwing circuit 9 justices to write an order of evidencial stay. Lacking that, the Sanford PD is in no way obligated to honor the “request”, and as McGehee states, will be lieable if they do so without a court order.
– I also notice that the Martins have walked back their “demands” to Bumblefuck. The fact that they’ve softened their tone considerably since its been pointed out they could be liable for GZ’s legal fees, is probably just coincidental.
– Don’t want to end up losing all that blood money they scored over their sons dead body.
– Holder and the DoJ Black Mafia are giving a lot of lip service right now, most probably with no real intent to follow through, just hoping to get the race baiters off their backs.
Ninth Circus doesn’t cover Florida. I think they’re in 4th Circuit. And I think it would be federal district court anyway.
“Request denied. Have a nice day.”
Zimmerman should join up with a militia. Problem solved.
what i’d like to see: don west – we have obtained a personal gun for gz and will give holder his “due”!!11!!
Bark ‘n Ho are hoping this Zimmerman red herring diversion routine and clown show drags out for as long as possible. Can’t have Americans focusing attention on our federal government’s troubling troubles with ‘transparency‘.
Fermenting a full-throttle white vs. black race war? They’re spoiling for it, on their watch, on their terms. While they still control the gunships.
Zimmerman can go away now I think. Let’s hear more from Edward Snowden and others like him. Snowden’s bombshell leak was a devastating thing because it was unexpected, and for that damage done to him, Barry and his merry crew hate Snowden more than they could hate even a thousand Zimmermans.
Watch how they play this racial strife for maximum longevity and damage. Because, damage control.
– Not everyone is jiggy wid dit. Speaking truth to racsisn,
– Does this mean he’ll lose his authenticity card?
OK, so one more Zimmerman toss (like a dwarf toss, but with a pasty-splatter-landing)…
“[U]rged him not to?” or suggested it was unnecessary?
And it wasn’t a 911 operator, though perhaps non emergency calls get answered at the same call center, eventually.
And the results were tragic for whom, exactly?
As for who deserved or didn’t deserve what happened to them….
….[when] in reality he is being treated as a scapegoat.
– So then the Left is so out of control at this point with the cognitive dissonance reverberating through the Democratic rafters they’ll even pretend a minority is a privaledged “white”. Say anything for the narratve. Best of all it doesn’t have to work forever, just until after en election.
Suggested it wasn’t necessary, even though the operator was asking a specific question. The presumed helpfulness of the act is dependent on the context.
“Hey, I just cleaned my own table and left you a nice tip.”
“Hey, we don’t need you to do that…”
vs.
“Yes, I followed down the same sidewalk that the shady character went down, so that I could find out where he went, in response to your question.”
“Hey, we don’t need you to do that…”
Context matters, and it wasn’t an order under the strictest of contexts. No direct verb, and passive voice throughout, e.g. “we don’t need that” vs “we don’t want that” vs “stop doing that”…
He needed to be immediately stopped from killing/seriously injuring Zimmerman. The means to accomplish that can result in the death of the person who must be stopped. That is why those means may only be used to stop someone from actions or threatened actions to cause immanent grievous injury or death.
Their second sentence shows that they bought the Crump & Parker version of “truth” which does not purport with the “facts” of the case. Living in the NE seems to soften the mind and make one susceptible to the truthiness of the left.
“An exercise in poor judgement” is a pretty good description of much, if not most, of the past six or seven years.
– Anything, such as self defense or any sort of self reliance is the sworn enemy of the Left, and in their eyes, threatens the absolute authority and need for big gov you see. Eff them very much.
Nobody ever mentions Trayvon Martin’s poor judgement. Zimmerman’s only got him beat up and subjected to a politically motivated witch hunt of a show trial, the end of which is still unforseen.
But Martin’s got him killed.
Don’t waqnt to speak ill of the dead, I guess.
– Maybe the Left would be stupified if we just arm community watch captains with stun guns or tranquilizer darts.
@BBH: Stun guns and tranqs could still kill.
(Remembers a scene from Ethan of Athos where we learn that getting stunned and falling a great height can result in death. Elli Quinn was most annoyed: She’d never killed someone accidentally before. Very unprofessional.)
In Soviet Ø-Merica, property owns Y-O-U….
Dave Taggart at NRO:
“So we’re having a national conversation about the conversation black parents have with their children about not getting shot by a white person. Two years ago here at NATIONAL REVIEW, John Derbyshire got fired for describing his conversation with his children about not getting shot by a black person.” *
[…] Ham: Barkley – “Zimmerman May Have Profiled, But I Agree With The Verdict” Protein Wisdom: Finders Keepers American Power: Federal Investigators Demand Hold On Zimmerman Trial Evidence Breitbart: […]
Suspect was wearing a hoodie.
But can we please stop the profiling?
And apropos of nothing, the 911/police answering time in Detroit is currently 57 minutes.
So, if you see something suspicious, or even criminal – just stay in your car and leave it to the authorities.
Just taking a guess Carin, but was that link (“suspect was wearing a hoodie”) intended to be aimed at a story related to this case, or some other?
Ah broken link. sorry. Spotty internet today for me.
Yes. That’s the case.
Whoa! Mentioning Derbyshire gets your comment deleted at NRO now. Try the link in my 6:11. Then read this, paying particular attention to the update.
Pablo, such a comment at NR is unhelpful.
The perfect excuse for George to go out and get the .40 Cal he should have purchased the first time round..
Well, sure, there are some tragic elements here. It’s tragic that Trayvon’s parents didn’t love him enough to raise him right…
Nugent covered the conversation to have quite succinctly: Tell them not to attack people.
NR was unhelpful back when Mr. Buckley Sr. was still alive. Now it struggles to find the most rational and calculated way to bend over for…whoever’s back there breathing hard.
They’re striving for purity over there at NR, not knowing they are on the same fool’s errand as the Left in its mission to be pure.
Racism today has been reduced to a Pavlovian deterence stimuli that induces flinching, silence, or at least imbalance in the target. It is guilt, shame, and permission to hate in a spray-can. It is an instant agent of transformation towards a sub-human “hostile” status; apply directly to the forehead.
Is somebody about to point a mistake of yours out or make you look like a careless, lazy, sloppy, witless, dumb shit? 0—> RACIST!(TM).
The USDOJ “ordered” the Sanford PD?
I kinda doubt they have that authority.
The sad thing is that the likes of NRO still haven’t figured out the new rules they are subbing conservatives up for without asking.
The Martin Trial and verdict is being called racist not because it does not fit the facts of the case. The facts of the case, themselves being bad for the goals of black people as represented by leftists, are racist. They are wrong. They should not be. Nature, time, chemistry is ALL as political as everything else. To deny it is racist. The facts being racist means we need new facts. The racist facts must be excised and tweaked. The jurors, prosecution and judge failed to do this so they are racist too. The defense stood in the way of justice so THEY are racist too.
Anytime the self identified reps of a racial grievance mob don’t get their way they are all victims of the force of racism and retaliation of some kind is in order.
It’s like a scam but the scammer is crazy and believes in the scam. Whole generations have been conditioned to believe in the scam and punish those who make a show of not believing. And if you don’t buy in to the scam then you are racist or a dupe of racism.
TL:DR version? This is revolutionary truth (comply! Lack of compliance is insane and evil!) and false consciousness (your own lying eyes were carved by the bosses), and the unstoppable momentum of history(it will happen anyway so we are licensed to do ANYTHING) all over again.
Sick sick sick.
The future is known; it’s the past that keeps changing.
John Yoo and Robert Delahunty on Eric Holder and the camel-back-breaking straw.