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“Passing It to Find Out What’s in It, Again” [Darleen Click]

Behold, the Hoeven-Corker amendment, up for vote Monday, coming in at 1,200 pages

The Hoeven-Corker amendment to the Gang of Eight bill is essentially a new bill. It is almost 1,200 pages long. Some parts of it are identical to some of the provisions of the original Gang of Eight bill, some parts are very different, and some parts are slightly different in ways that could prove very important but difficult to understand in a hurry. But it has to be understood in a hurry. Given the length and complexity of this proposal, I think it is fair to say that not more than a handful of the senators voting on it on Monday—which is apparently when the vote is scheduled—will really understand it in any detail. There is almost no way any of the senators voting on it could have read it all, and it’s unlikely even their staff members could do so in a thorough and responsible way in that time. Only the people who wrote it will know what it says, and I imagine it was written in parts by numerous people from several Senate offices. That means there is probably no one who really knows what it says. It also seems likely that, if the amendment is adopted on Monday, the vote on the final bill would come too soon thereafter to allow CBO to re-score the much-amended bill, and so to offer some sense of how things have changed in terms of costs, economic effects, future immigration flows (legal and illegal) and other key issues.

Is this any way to make such an important set of decisions about the country’s future?

Of course it is, if one is a True Believer in the Fundamental Transformation of America into Not America.

Why let something so trivial as Liberty or The Constitution stand in the way of Won’s wish list?

President Obama on Tuesday will lay out his long-awaited plan for second-term, executive-level actions to combat climate change.

His speech is expected to include a pledge to curb carbon emissions from existing power plants, a top priority for environmentalists, according to a person briefed on the remarks and a Washington Post story Saturday.

His top climate adviser said last Wednesday that the plan would address energy efficiency, expanding clean energy on public lands, and using various “tools” – including the Clean Air Act – to address climate.

Climate advocates have long pressed the Environmental Protection Agency to begin writing rules to curb emissions from the nation’s existing fleet of power plants, in addition to rules floated in draft form last year that apply to new plants.

Mendacious Leftists accuse conservatives of wanting to turn back the clock to what they perceive is the repressive 1950’s.

But the Left-luddites want to go back to pre-industrial times.

Obama, in his short remarks released Saturday announcing the speech, called addressing climate a “serious challenge” but added it’s “one uniquely suited to America’s strengths.”

He said the country would need scientists to design new fuels and farmers to grow them.

“We’ll need engineers to devise new sources of energy, and businesses to make and sell them,” Obama said.

This is science?

And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride …

Obama is not a good man.

49 Replies to ““Passing It to Find Out What’s in It, Again” [Darleen Click]”

  1. Neo says:

    The climate has already “fixed” itself, so now Obama has to try to glean some credit where he is due none.

  2. cranky-d says:

    The god-king has let his wishes be known. You people had better hop to it and fulfill them.

  3. cranky-d says:

    And the laws of physics had better change too. This stuff isn’t going to happen otherwise.

  4. bgbear says:

    you can’t grow energy on a farm. you can only convert one form into another.

  5. […] ought to resign and allow a better American that truly understands the role of Congress to serve. Jeff Goldstein has the Hoeven-Corker amendment, which is, 1,200,pages long.It is supposed to “fix” our broken immigration system. Who […]

  6. Spiny Norman says:

    The same idiots who want us to convert food to fuel also want to ban GMOs… all the while, the world’s population continues to increase. The Malthusians will make their predictions of doom come true if it’s the last thing they do.

  7. Pablo says:

    you can’t grow energy on a farm. you can only convert one form into another.

    Oh, yeah!? What about ethanol!?!?

    /You can’t fix stupid

  8. Pablo says:

    Before you know it, Spiny, Norman Borlaug will be Worse Than Hitler™!

  9. sdferr says:

    If the House — following the good sense of the people — refuses to denigrate citizenship into meaninglessness, and therewith to promote lawlessness into the highest good, they will be found out of touch with the times, says Sen. Schumer. For the times demand the end of distinction, of reason, of order. We will have absurdity. It is written (in multi-thousand page “laws”).

  10. bgbear says:

    ethanol is for drinking, as God intended.

  11. cranky-d says:

    Schumer predicts calls for mass demonstrations if House blocks path to citizenship

    Fixed.

  12. Spiny Norman says:

    Schumer predicts calls for mass demonstrations if House blocks path to citizenship

    I’m confident that Chuck-You Schumer is in contact with local gangsters community organizers to see that this happens on cue.

  13. leigh says:

    That’s messed up, Pablo. Where’s Daniel Ellesberg on this?

  14. Drumwaster says:

    And the laws of physics had better change too.

    Why should he bother to change a law when he can just ignore it like all the others?

  15. Gulermo says:

    “convert food to fuel”

    I resemble that remark. Thankyouverymuch.

  16. Pablo says:

    Where’s the DC Attorney General on this? Oh, yeah.

    The difference between Gregory and Greenwald? Gregory actually committed a felony.

  17. Libby says:

    So Dear Leader is confident that he’s done enough damage that now it’s time to control the weather?
    Fabulous news!

  18. palaeomerus says:

    Lady Liberty
    Drowned at Sea
    And washed up on her island,
    For all to see.
    So how does she stand,
    With her torch in her hand?
    Taxidermy.

  19. palaeomerus says:

    What cruel
    Fear wrought tower
    Of iron and sin
    Offends the eye
    wrapped in
    Fair Liberty’s skin? *

    *boy! (Mareen Dowd edition)

  20. For the times demand the end of distinction, of reason, of order. We will have absurdity. It is written (in multi-thousand page “laws”).

    Humpty Dumpty approves.

  21. If it were found one of the Unicorn Prince’s ancestors was Lewis Carroll, I would just keel right over dead from lack of surprise.

  22. NR, that would be something to see: two leeches feeding off each other.

  23. sdferr says:

    Der Spiegel, without apparent embarassment, jumps into the act of what Plato might well have called “Saving the Non-phenomena”: Why Is Global Warming Stagnating?

  24. Next issue: “Why hasn’t Emmanuel Goldstein murdered half of Oceania in its sleep?”

  25. happyfeet says:

    the last effing thing we need is a bunch of beggars on horseback

    horses are scary enough all by themselves

  26. cranky-d says:

    What all is behind the various climate crisis? Sure, there is a desire for power over others, but there appears to me to be another factor, which is a desire for people to think they have the ability to control their environment. That is, if human activity can affect the climate for the bad, it might also mean that we can affect it for the good. If that were true, then people would not have to feel so helpless in the face of Mother Nature.

    The truth is we are helpless. Mother Nature doesn’t hate us or love us, she is indifferent to us. I think for some people, that is too much to take, so they need to invent a situation in which they can make Mother Nature happy so she will leave them alone. Thus, we have Man-made Climate Change Believers. They are almost as destructive as Islamists, and no one knows what they may morph into in the future.

  27. Libby says:

    Look at all of the other crimes that have lighter penalties/can be waived when committed by an illegal alien if this wreck of an immigration reform bill passes.

    http://www.fairus.org/_blog/Immigration_2013_Reports_and_Research/post/crime-pays-under-s744/

  28. BT says:

    Global warming is just another scam. Buying absolution with carbon credits?

  29. happyfeet says:

    thank you for the link Mr. narciso I will share it with my patterico pals posthaste

  30. John Bradley says:

    Re: NR’s O’Keefe link — I do believe we’ve found Phil Spector’s younger brother.

  31. happyfeet says:

    oops i meant Mr. newrouter I got confuzzled I guess

  32. happyfeet says:

    there’s so many different commenters it’s hard to keep track

  33. geoffb says:

    The good, the bad, and the stealthy.

    Some are so eager to prove that the White House is not pulling the strings that their aides say the administration is not playing any role at all.

    “President Obama’s concept of engaging Congress is giving a speech that nobody up here listens to,” said Alex Conant, a spokesman for Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, who is an important supporter of the immigration legislation. “If passing legislation is like making sausage, then this White House is like a bunch of vegetarians.”
    […]
    Inside Room 201, the administration has gathered a collection of its own Congressional lobbyists, policy specialists and experts from an alphabet soup of the agencies that will have to put the immigration legislation into effect if it passes. They all moved into the vice president’s offices on June 10, setting up laptop computers and thick binders filled with proposed amendments on an oval conference table.

    “We have folks who know the Senate really well, who know the players, who have been through this before so they know exactly what Senate staff needs,” Ms. Muñoz said. “We are deeply, deeply engaged.”

    The group is led by Ed Pagano, Mr. Obama’s chief liaison to the Senate and a former chief of staff to Senator Patrick J. Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who is chairman of the Judiciary Committee. He is joined by Felicia Escobar and Tyler Moran, senior advisers at the Domestic Policy Council, and Esther Olavarria, director for immigration reform for the National Security Council staff. Some days, Ms. Muñoz and Miguel Rodriguez, the president’s chief Congressional liaison, are there too.

    On one day this week, those at the table included two representatives from the Justice Department, a homeland security official, a State Department official and someone from the Department of Labor. Throughout the day they pored through proposed amendments, offering suggestions to the staff of the senators who offered them and flagging problems that might arise.

    There is a group of people who have read everything in the bill and know exactly how it all fits together to move their agenda ahead. They meet in the unmarked room 201.

    Oh BTW, why does the National Security Council even need, much less have a “director for immigration reform?” Silly question I suppose as it is based on thinking that the NSC is about our national security which is “chump-think” nowadays in DC.

  34. Libby says:

    Funny, you would think that a Dir. of Immigration Reform for the NSC would be interested in beefing up our borders, better screening immigrants, etc to keep us more secure from people like the Tsarnev (sp?) brothers.

  35. newrouter says:

    for some fun the house should impeach baracky’s cabinet and send it to the undertaker dingy harry. be too much for the orange crybaby.

  36. happyfeet says:

    meghan’s coward daddy was never a serious alternative to food stamp

    he was just plan b

  37. newrouter says:

    “he was just plan b”

    oh noes he be a late term baby killin’s

  38. newrouter says:

    that “bitch” from ak has to be doa!!11!!

  39. Physics Geek says:

    We’ll need engineers to devise new sources of energy, and businesses to make and sell them

    For the record, I work in power generation. I cannot clearly express how full of shit this statement is. Hey, I think that Peter Beagle is a fine author, but I don’t believe in unicorns. And that’s what this statement is: an expression of a belief in unicorns. Want a new reality? Assert one into existence.

  40. […] ought to resign and allow a better American that truly understands the role of Congress to serve. Jeff Goldstein has the Hoeven-Corker amendment, which is, 1,200,pages long.It is supposed to “fix” our broken immigration system. Who wants to […]

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