April 29, 2013

“Lesbian Activist’s Surprisingly Candid Speech: Gay Marriage Fight Is a ‘Lie’ to Destroy Marriage”

May as well tell the truth now.  I mean, the argument is over and the pro-traditional marriage “folks” have lost:  being the Bible-thumping prigs they are, tormented by paranoid fantasies of legal slippery slopes, they lack the intellectual chops to muster a defense of their position that doesn’t fall back on disgusting and unhelpful moral certitude, and so the force of history, inexorably moving forward as if it with a material and teleological will, will run them down, trampling their quaint conservatism under the stampeding hooves of progress.

I know this because a guy involved in a loofah scandal told me so.  And he’s looking out for me.  So how can he be wrong?

Look, I’m not going to argue same sex marriage as policy here yet again:  unlike many SSM activists, I have supported the rights of states like New York, Massachusetts, and California, eg., to decide for themselves how they wish to define marriage for the purposes of their own state’s legal decision making.  I’ve also been willing to support civil unions, properly drawn.

But I’ve also pointed out for years that the true objective of the movement — as it has been repeatedly laid out by queer theorists and activists, back before they believed anyone was listening, and back before they changed their tactics of denouncing traditional marriage — is to deconstruct the institution of marriage by pretending to embrace it as a “civil right,” then opening it up until it becomes legally non-exclusionary.  At which point our social desire to differentiate will be trumped by the legal prohibition to do so — a move that portends widespread legal changes.  Fundamental transformation, if you will.

And I know this because they’ve told me that’s what the plan is — even though many of them have since tried to walk that back now that they’ve achieved the kinds of mainstream gains they couldn’t foresee in the heady days of angry queer theory and in-your-face existential protest.

– Much like Obama spoke openly about his socialist / Communist leanings back before he burst onto the national scene, which so many not only ignored but insisted we must bracket for the historic good man.

– Much like Islamists have always made their intentions clear, even before they turned from terrorists to criminals to a protected class against who one must not speak ill, their having cornered the market on peaceful religiosity, and besides, why do you hate brown people?

Which is why I find it astounding that there continues to exist, even among many constitutionalists, this almost determined blind spot, this desire to be thought more nuanced in one’s thinking should they resist what at face value they refuse stubbornly to acknowledge.

Without being all judgey, let me just end with an observation:  sanctimony is itself a form of vanity.

It’s true!

(h/t Pablo)

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 10:01am
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Comments (117)

  1. I can hardly wait for the electric hamster to come and crap all over this thread. Whee!!

  2. marriage was cool until that angry bulldyke fucked it up for everybody

    she sucks I hate her so much

    me too I hate her cause of now I can’t get married traditional-like cause of what happened with the um-

    no you can still get married traditional-like you’re confuzzled – I know cause of Taffy and Bobo just got married last saturday down at church of christ I was there it was a beautiful ceremony and there was cake after and Peanut made some of that colored vodka to match the dresses and we did shots out in the parking lot

    you’re shitting me – I thought the bulldyke destroyed marriage

    she did – just not to where you can’t get married she more destroyed it in a high-concept way

    she sucks I hate her so much

    i hate her too she sucks

    yeah she’s a big sucky bulldyke

    yup she really is

  3. My wife confided in me that she is having some SSM fatigue. This surprised me, as she is much more cosmopolitan about such things having had friends and even family who are gay.

    This makes me suspect that, once again, the progs are overplaying their hand.

  4. the gayz are boring

  5. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 10:55 am
    she more destroyed it in a high-concept way

    So a basic definition is a “high-concept”?

  6. all that’s happening in real life Mr. mondamay is now we have gay marriage for gay people and same ole same ole marriage for straight people

    it’s not a big deal really in terms of the impact it’s gonna have on your life

    you may not believe me now but you’ll see

    and we’ll all float on alright

  7. . . . the institution of marriage . . .

    Is something? Or nothing?

    . . . the institution of marriage should not exist . . .

    So, in answer to the first (coupled) question, is something, evidently.

    What, precisely, is not said.

    But “should be” nothing (according to Gessen).

    Only, what is an institution?

    And, what does it mean to say “should be” (to anything)? Or “should not be”, the negative of “should be”?

    That is, if we’re to take moral instruction from Gessen, we’ve surely got a responsibility to ask, don’t we? That is, in order to learn from Gessen what moral is? If it’s anything at all. Which clearly it is. Is something, that is (to say). If only because Gessen maintains such certainty. Why, she’s better than Jesus come again. Clearly. For the lying. Or not lying. Whichever.

  8. it’s not a big deal really in terms of the impact it’s gonna have on your life

    you may not believe me now but you’ll see

    and we’ll all float on alright

    Trust him. Have the Leftists ever been wrong before when messing about with Western family life?

  9. except for I’m not a leftist Mr. Leamas I’m as conservative as they come i believe in my heart though that all men are created equal even the gay ones and that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness and if gay people wanna get married then I’m a support that cause of marriages are good for America – they make for a more resilient social fabric plus they are conducive to an individual’s prosperity and peace of mind

    yay gay marriage!

  10. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 11:27 am

    I’m as conservative as they come

    “Conservatism” like yours is the hallmark of today’s rapidly crumbling GOP.

  11. I guess we also have conservatism for confuzzled people and conservatism for conservative people too.

  12. except for I’m not a leftist Mr. Leamas I’m as conservative as they come

    I’ll leave that little absurdity aside for a moment.

    i believe in my heart though that all men are created equal even the gay ones and that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

    By your definition, is there anything that can be denied any man in pursuit of his happiness? My neighbor has a Ferrari. I am created equal to him. Why are you molesting the pursuit of my happiness by not buying me a Ferrari?

  13. i do not understand about the ferrari

  14. Does being created equal create an equal right to have a Ferrari or not?

  15. everyone already has an equal right to have a ferrari but I must warn you they are highly impractical cars with a very very high cost of ownership

  16. Ernst Schreiber says April 29, 2013 at 11:58 am

    Does being created equal create an equal right to have a Ferrari or not?

    Sure. All we need to do is just redefine “money” to remove the troublesome &ltquantity&gt requirement for purchase.

  17. &ltquantity&gt

    Nice… it works in preview, but not in the post. Just pretend quantity is inside greater-than less-than thingies.

  18. Oooh, shiny!

  19. Blast.

    I had “30 minutes” in our office “peepyfoot spoo pool.”

    Maybe next time.

  20. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    everyone already has an equal right to have a ferrari

    No they don’t. There are conditions for ownership; conditions that not everyone meets. Because of this, the civil-right to a Ferrari is infringed.

  21. Here’s your solution Alec: slap a Ferrari badge on top of whatever badging is on your car and call it a Ferrari. Demand that your neighbors acknowledge your “Ferrari.” Refuse to tolerate hate from chicks who refuse to ride in your Ferrari. Insist upon your absolute right to be happy with your Ferrari.

  22. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 12:03 pm

    ["]everyone already has an equal right to have a ferrari["]

    No they don’t. There are conditions for ownership; conditions that not everyone meets. Because of this, the civil-right to a Ferrari is infringed.

    Or if we’re talking natural right, everyone has the same right to a potential Ferrari as they have to a potential marriage. Not all people will get to exercise that right. Which is why it’s called the pursuit of happiness, and not the capture of happiness.

  23. Mondamay, it looks like you left out one whole colon.

    I celebrate 4/20 on 1/5, what of it?

  24. And here he is, crapping away.

    I recall a time I missed him when he was gone for a while. I cannot imagine why.

  25. <quantity>

  26. Yup that did it. Interestingly, it previewed just fine without the semi-colons.

  27. good allan one of the sewing machines i bought turns out to be gayz

  28. so that’s why the lady kept in the closet

  29. I think marriage is really great and stabilizes people, families and communities. If I knew for sure redefining marriage to include same sex couple would not dilute the institution, I would be 100% for it.

    That’s the part I don’t know for sure, what is it about marriage that makes it so stabilizing. It has to have more to it than two people who have the hots for each other. If everyone is special, no one is.

    Fortunately no matter what happens I don’t think there are enough gay people wanting to get married to make much of a difference.

  30. everyone already has an equal right to have a ferrari but I must warn you they are highly impractical cars with a very very high cost of ownership

    Everyone with $250,000, yes, but isn’t a man with $250,000 created equal to a man with $25,000? Why the h8?

  31. Fortunately no matter what happens I don’t think there are enough gay people wanting to get married to make much of a difference.

    Unfortunately I think that there are just enough gay people wanting to get married to accomplish the purpose, which is to make the institution ridiculous. When it is ridiculous, it will no longer be a cultural expectation, and therefore destroyed.

  32. Which is why it’s called the pursuit of happiness, and not the capture of happiness.

    You know, if you read that with a ridiculously exaggerated French accent, it is both apropos and hilarious.

  33. Caesar grins, because the state has created another dependent class and wedge/weapon to use against competing institutions–religion and family.

    Plus there’s that whole being able to define things, and thereby control them.

    Leviathan win-win!

  34. i agree Mr. bear the gay marriage incidence rate is statistically insignificant

    a lot of this anti-gay marriage stuff is the exact same sort of banal alarmism what you see with tasty genetically modified foozle or keystone xl pipelines

    the americans, they are a tedious lot in this way

  35. a lot of this anti-gay marriage stuff is the exact same sort of banal alarmism what you see with tasty genetically modified foozle or keystone xl pipelines

    Really? Has a tycoon from the genetically modified food industry been recorded laughing that he’s really in it to kill children who eat his Frankenfish? The CEO of the company building the Keystone XL admitting that he really just likes to kill wildlife with crude oil?

  36. i agree Mr. bear the gay marriage incidence rate is statistically insignificant

    a lot of this anti-gay marriage stuff is the exact same sort of banal alarmism what you see with tasty genetically modified foozle or keystone xl pipelines

    the americans, they are a tedious lot in this way

    Where’s my fucking Ferrari? It’s overdue and I’m starting to get pissed.

  37. Maybe Alec, I am at least sure that there are not as many gay people in real life as there seems to be as portrayed on TV.

  38. me too I hate her cause of now I can’t get married traditional-like cause of what happened with the um-

    You moron. Nobody is arguing that SSM PREVENTS OSM.

    Nobody.

    So stuff that straw man where the sun don’t shine and light it on fire.

    I swear, the next time someone pulls out that canard I’ll deck ‘em.

    it’s not a big deal really in terms of the impact it’s gonna have on your life

    Bull.

    Shit.

    The open practice of homosexuality has affected and will continue to affect hetero relationships with members of their own sex.

    100 years ago and earlier, same-sex friends were MUCH more affectionate with each other, because evabody knew where the goddamn lines were. You never had to worry that you were giving someone the wrong idea or that you were leading them on, or that you yourself were being propositioned. The default setting was that evabody was straight: if you wanted to do the gay thing, you had to do a lot more maneuvering to get around the conventions.

    Our own stupid young people, TODAY, have it in their heads that all intimate relationships are SEXUAL: witness the proliferation of slash fanfic between close same-sex friends. Having listened to all too many teenaged girls droooool over the slashfic (because they like both Ron AND Harry, or Sirius AND Lupin, and this is the only way they can plausibly fantasize about their friendship). There is absolutely no conceptual room left for intense fraternal relationships in these ninnies’ minds.

    It wasn’t like that when I was a teen. And not just because there was no Internet. We didn’t sit around in small groups and giggle about Han and Luke or Starsky and Hutch. It just wasn’t part of the landscape.

    I’m a support that cause of marriages are good for America – they make for a more resilient social fabric

    So more marriage is good marriage, regardless of how it’s constituted.

    You wouldn’t have made that argument 10 years ago; instead, you’d have reassured us that it would never happen, because teh Ghey is against being all bourgesoise.

  39. A carabet singer sewing machine, who knew?

  40. Or maybe even cabaret.

  41. Here’s your solution Alec: slap a Ferrari badge on top of whatever badging is on your car and call it a Ferrari. Demand that your neighbors acknowledge your “Ferrari.” Refuse to tolerate hate from chicks who refuse to ride in your Ferrari. Insist upon your absolute right to be happy with your Ferrari.

    Better yet, slap a “Ford” label on the Ferrari and demand a lower rate on your auto insurance.

  42. That’s the part I don’t know for sure, what is it about marriage that makes it so stabilizing.

    The union of the two sexual complimentarities—yin and yang—is the load-bearing wall. It’s the only one that nobody’s messed with throughout all of human history, because they’ve never achieved this particular degree of stupidity.

    (Or if they did, they discontinued it in fairly short order, without keeping a record of their stupidity for all posterity to see.)

    Being married to the opposite sex forces you to grow the hell up, because the sexes are alien to each other, and learning to adapt to the other sex’s needs and expectations requires huge amounts of humility and the capacity to forgive.

    I’ve never been married and even I know that. Why doesn’t everyone else?

  43. Fortunately no matter what happens I don’t think there are enough gay people wanting to get married to make much of a difference.

    Even if zero gay people get married, the fact that SSM is legal and licit and legitimate will effect a huge change on how our culture looks at sexuality and sexual differences and sexual bonding and all the rest that goes with it.

  44. the americans, they are a tedious lot in this way

    You want to see people freak out about “Frankenfood,” go to Europe.

  45. in everybody’s life what happens is gobs of social change, if they live long enough

    it’s been like this forever

    Lucille Ball lived to see gobs and gobs of social change whereas Kurt Cobain only got to see a smattering

    me I’m a just keep my eyes open and take it all in while I can

  46. dicentra, I agree that the burden should be on the proponents of SSM to show why we should have to redefine marriage for whatever their latest argument may be. They don’t get to call us “haters” for having different opinions.

  47. of course we do

  48. in everybody’s life what happens is gobs of social change, if they live long enough

    it’s been like this forever

    Lucille Ball lived to see gobs and gobs of social change whereas Kurt Cobain only got to see a smattering

    me I’m a just keep my eyes open and take it all in while I can

    Anastasia Nikolaevna saw a good deal of social change as well.

  49. so did Lady Bird Johnson

  50. Assertion monkey asserts. Assert, assertion monkey, assert.

  51. 100 years ago and earlier, same-sex friends were MUCH more affectionate with each other, because evabody knew where the goddamn lines were. You never had to worry that you were giving someone the wrong idea or that you were leading them on, or that you yourself were being propositioned. The default setting was that evabody was straight: if you wanted to do the gay thing, you had to do a lot more maneuvering to get around the conventions.

    That’s a very good point.

  52. “Leviathan win-win!”

    A pity that Leviathan can never feed itself for long and so it starves and becomes parasitized until it splits open and spews out chaos and misery. A feast for the vikings when the comes back from the shadows once again to feed on leviathan’s carrion.

  53. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    in everybody’s life what happens is gobs of social change, if they live long enough

    This isn’t some spontaneous groundswell. This is an orchestrated effort where cultural indoctrination and morally desensitization have rotted the basic underpinnings of society, and if you think this stops at SSM, you’re even more wide-eyed than your avatar. The language and legal arguments that have been used leave the door completely open for multi-partner marriage. I get that your brand of “conservatism” treats “teh social issuze” like something smelly you might step in, but at the end of the day marriage had a definition before, and thanks to people who claim you can’t legislate morality (right before they turn around and legislate or support the effort to legislate new morality) very soon it no longer will.

    But that doesn’t hurt anybody, right?

  54. Being married to the opposite sex forces you to grow the hell up, because the sexes are alien to each other, and learning to adapt to the other sex’s needs and expectations requires huge amounts of humility and the capacity to forgive.

    Reminds me a lesbian acquaintance who was complaining about Dr. Laura going on about the importance of stable traditional marriage for children. For a future attorney she gave a weak “what difference does it make type of argument.

    I told her that even if her and her partner decided to have kids by artificial insemination, or something, that the odds are the kids would be straight and they would benefit by seeing how two mature people of the opposite sex interact with each other. My acquaintance had no response (I was surprised, she is quite smart and opinionated).

  55. Dicentra, thank you. I made a number of the same points you did in your post about friendship and the blurring of lines a few weeks back and was told I was overstating things. It’s good to know that I am not alone in holding that opinion.

    And: you swore! Good for you. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

  56. including gay people is just the right thing to do so that’s what we’re doing

  57. When did we stop insisting that if you want to talk with the grownups you talk like a grownup?

  58. dicentra says April 29, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    Absolutely awesome post.

  59. This is an orchestrated effort where cultural indoctrination and morally desensitization have rotted the basic underpinnings of society, and if you think

    The last three words are where you’re going of the rails. Your interlocutor isn’t big on that. Emoting, “trust your feelings,” etc., yes.

    Thinking, not so much.

  60. ” is just the right thing to do”

    That’s rather typical of mindless slogan regurgitation. It is just so.

  61. Open Sez me. Arf arffa arf arf arf.

  62. [W]hat is it about marriage that makes it so stabilizing[?]

    Oxytocin, seratonin, etc.

    the americans, they are a tedious lot in this way

    What’s really tedious is an affected air of tedium with all the tediousness.

  63. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 2:33 pm

    including gay people is just the right thing to do so that’s what we’re doing

    Along with all the other “right things to do” that the Feds have been doing the last few years, there’s gotta be a whole huge list of them…

  64. marriage isn’t social club happy.

  65. All of life is social club, according to the yellow peril.

  66. hah, Ernst.

    I think I see what elements are in a happy marriage, I just am not sure how much of it is because good stable people get married and how much of it is because of the nature of the institution.

    I think many of the points dicentra made are on the nature of the traditional institution side.

  67. “April 29, 2013
    “The Narrative” Is the Enemy of Truth and Fact
    —Ace”

    Oh look. Edgy/Respectable Ace is pretending to “suddenly get it” again. No doubt this is to drum up some more ‘staunch’ cred for the inevitability herding that will be required in 2014. Then if any embarrassing tea party/con-base stuff happens he can shriek ‘rubber banning Theocrat’ again and agree with the very press and institutions he just now realized are lying to him (again).

  68. All of life is social club, according to the yellow peril.

    Then I quote Yogi Berra: “Nobody goes there anymore. It’s too crowded.”

    I also often quote Yogi Bear cuz he’s smarter than the average bear.

  69. I think I see what elements are in a happy marriage, I just am not sure how much of it is because good stable people get married and how much of it is because of the nature of the institution.

    When good people end up in bad marriages, and bad people (I’m thinking of the Clinton’s here —perhaps the Obamas as well, seem to have good marriages*), it’s hard to tell. So maybe that’s a point for Tolstoy.

    *Which isn’t to say that there isn’t a lot of bad shit in that exemplar of marriage

  70. It’s probably a gross oversimplification yet still mostly true to say that other, older cultures didn’t give 2 shits for self-actualization or other bits of new-agey nonsense; marriage is better for children and children are necessary for a society to survive. QED.

    Why is marriage better for children? Because hetero-sex is required. And the technological changes that make that less true today don’t change the fact that having a mom and dad is better than the alternative although that seems to be where a lot of argument lies.

    All of this ignores the fact the normalization of SSM is stage 1 in the destruction of marriage period, as illustrated.

  71. They don’t get to call us “haters” for having different opinions.

    Exept that the whole point of the exercise is to find something to call us h8rs FOR. They found a Rubicon that they knew most god-botherers could not or would not cross, so they decided to push as much of the country across that boundary, and anyone left standing on the other side—mostly people the Left viscerally hates anyway—could then safely be characterized as Worse Than The KKK.

    Which then justifies as much vitriol and visciousness and eventually violence as they care to heap on their bete noirs.

    They’re not in this to play FAIR; they’re in this to destroy their enemies utterly and then to dance merrily on their graves for as long as the tequila holds out.

  72. My acquaintance had no response

    She probably hadn’t heard such a thing before.

    And: you swore! Good for you. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

    Oh, sweetie, I’ve been cussin here on and off for years. Tends to happen one week per month IYKWIMAITYD.

    I just am not sure how much of it is because good stable people get married

    If one or both of the partners is a psycho, all bets are off.

    Think of it in terms of design vs. materials. Both have to be good to pull off whatever you’re building.

    For example, an airplane needs two wings to fly—a left wing and a right wing.

    That’s design: If you attach two good wings on opposite sides, the plane flies; however, if you attach one or two bad wings, the plane does not fly. In which case, it’s not a design flaw, it’s a materials flaw.

    On the other hand, if your design calls for both wings to be on the same side of the plane, it will never fly, no matter what condition the wings are in. You can attach two left wings that are made of the finest materials available and that are milled to perfection, but the plane still won’t fly.

    That’s a design flaw, and design flaws cannot be remedied by changing the materials.

  73. older cultures didn’t give 2 shits for self-actualization or other bits of new-agey nonsense

    They looked for “role mates” instead of “soul mates”; the expectations were different and therefore so were the results.

    People who start whining about “everybody else gets to marry whom they love” need to go to India and talk to happy couples who didn’t know each other prior to the wedding. The attitude in those traditional societies is that you love whom you marry, not the other way around.

    They have different expectations, too, and self-fulfillment isn’t one of them.

  74. On the other hand, if your design calls for both wings to be on the same side of the plane, it will never fly, no matter what condition the wings are in. You can attach two left wings that are made of the finest materials available and that are milled to perfection, but the plane still won’t fly.

    Aerophobe!!!!11!1!!1!one!!!

  75. They have different expectations, too, and self-fulfillment isn’t one of them.

    This.

    The Catholic Church doesn’t classify Matrimony as a sacrament of service for nuthin’. ¶ 1534 of the Catechism groups Matrimony with Holy Orders as being “directed toward the salvation of others; if they contribute as well to personal salvation, it is through service to others that they do so. They confer a particular mission in the Church and serve to build up the People of God.”

    In other words, marriage is to benefit other people, not legitimize the particular way in which one rocks are gotten off.

  76. plane doesn’t fly

    Save for that one Israeli fighter pilot who had the better part of his port wing broken off in a collision and landed his F-15 anyhow, it is mostly the case. Rocketship, not aircraft? Sort of, yes.

  77. not legitimize the particular way in which one’s rocks are gotten off.

    Or with whom.

    As if the rest of us gave a rip whom you’re hot for.

  78. Next comes polygamy, and then “Hot for Creature.”

  79. The Catholic Church doesn’t classify Matrimony as a sacrament of service for nuthin’. ¶ 1534 of the Catechism groups Matrimony with Holy Orders as being “directed toward the salvation of others; if they contribute as well to personal salvation, it is through service to others that they do so. They confer a particular mission in the Church and serve to build up the People of God.”

    This is why the Catholic Church is a hate group.

  80. I miss the good old days when people didn’t talk about their sex lives all. the. damn. time.

  81. Oppressor. Let a million freak-flags fly.

    That’s what the Chairman said, wasn’t it?

  82. Frank Sinatra? I don’t recall him saying that.

  83. sdferr says April 29, 2013 at 4:32 pm
    F-15

    F-15s are the Chuck Norris of fighter planes.

  84. F-15′s made freak’in Tom Cruise hot. THAT’S how hot F-15′s are…

  85. Oh wait, that was the Tomcat. F-14, right?

    Oops…

  86. That was the F-14. Which is no longer in service here. I think that’s because of Hate. And jealousy.

    After all, the F-14 looked like Pure Sex, and the F-15 looked like Sex in Flannel.

    So, it must have been jealousy.

    I still say we need to sneak in and steal the Iranian ones back.

  87. Civil unions in Bisbee. All the contractual obligations, none of the false fake pretense mockeries…

    Bisbee’s actions made it the first Arizona city to legalize civil unions for same-sex couples, giving the couples the rights now held by married couples. The ordinance said the city wants to end “discriminatory practices against members of the lesbian, bisexual, gay and transgender community” so that couples could have lasting and meaningful relationships regardless of sexual orientation.

    The changes announced Monday mean that it will be less sweeping, but it still is a new law that sends a loud message, Pizer said.

    Horne insisted the ordinance didn’t move into same-sex marriage, which is prohibited.

    “This is not marriage,” Horne said. “This is simply a way of publically recording and acknowledging that people have entered into private agreements that they have a right to enter into now. So it’s a matter really of symbolic rather than substantive significance.”

    We could throw in a nice Bundt cake and a couple handfuls of rice I suppose, but no Pampers cakes. Out of place they’d be, really.

  88. There is absolutely no conceptual room left for intense fraternal relationships in these ninnies’ minds.

    Word. I was shocked, shocked, I say, that the producers of both the British Sherlock series and the Morton Downey, Jr films managed to control themselves, and not reinvent the characters as a pair of poofters.

  89. Since there’s no Blue Angels – Thunderbird air shows this year, here’s some nice RK Style.

  90. They sort of went there in Game of Shadows with Jude Law tussling with Robert Downey Jr. in drag. Made a joking reference to it.

    Better than the producers of Elementary managed to do, though.

  91. Our own stupid young people, TODAY, have it in their heads that all intimate relationships are SEXUAL: witness the proliferation of slash fanfic between close same-sex friends. Having listened to all too many teenaged girls droooool over the slashfic (because they like both Ron AND Harry, or Sirius AND Lupin, and this is the only way they can plausibly fantasize about their friendship). There is absolutely no conceptual room left for intense fraternal relationships in these ninnies’ minds.

    It wasn’t like that when I was a teen. And not just because there was no Internet. We didn’t sit around in small groups and giggle about Han and Luke or Starsky and Hutch. It just wasn’t part of the landscape.

    This.

    Look at younger fans of old classic tv … Star Trek (original) and Man from UNCLE and there is all this fanfic about Kirk/Spock, Napoleon/Illya finally coming out of the closet.

    It really is amazing to contemplate that close, bonded friendships now just HAVE to be about sex because they secretly are gay.

    It has crept into the line that some people say Abraham Lincoln was gay or that Cary Grant & Randolph Scott shared more than just an apartment.

    But then, close bonded friendships, like committed families, stand in the way of everyone belonging exclusively to The State. Tainting same-sex friendships with sexual rumor is just another way to destroy them.

  92. Thinking it through, when people are willing to publicly air intimate details of their life, sans shame or sense, on Twitter and Facebook, what else is there but sex?

  93. i wish I could have a friend

    damn homos fuck everything up

  94. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    i wish I could have a friend

    damn homos fuck everything up

    Oh yes, it couldn’t possibly be your winning personality…

  95. happyfeet says April 29, 2013 at 10:12 pm

    i wish I could have a friend

    damn homos fuck everything up

    Hey, hf? As someone who doesn’t even really know whether or not I’m bisexual or just very close to my friends of either sex–because the line between “sexually attracted to” and “affectionate with” has gotten incredibly blurred over the course of my lifetime–can I kindly ask you to just shut up on this issue?

    Thanks. Your condescending “no one is being hurt by these things so we should do them to help the victim groups who’re being hurt by these other things” attitude is obnoxious and, your protestations aside, a pure product of the current “thinking” on the left side of the political spectrum.

  96. As someone who doesn’t even really know whether or not I’m bisexual or just very close to my friends of either sex–because the line between “sexually attracted to” and “affectionate with” has gotten incredibly blurred over the course of my lifetime–

    you might start by getting a dog

    buenos suerte in your life journey

  97. “there is all this fanfic about Kirk/Spock, Napoleon/Illya finally coming out of the closet.”

    “Finally”? It’s been around for decades.

    Kirk/Spock is where slashfic got its name. The first known Kirk/Spock fic was published in 1974. By 1978, there was a whole fanzine devoted to Kirk/Spock, and by the mid-80s there were dozens of them.

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  99. Sorry, that was nonspecific and a poor attempt to use victim-pandering language.

    What I actually meant to say was bugger off, you condescending asshole.

  100. Bonanza? Gay, every single one of them. C’mon, bunch of guys on horses, riding around doing guys-on-horses things… read between the lines, people!

    Probably sat around the campfire eating pudding and not-quitting each other.

  101. including gay people is just the right thing to do so that’s what we’re doing

    Well, we can’t leave The Children™ out now, can we?

  102. Bonanza? Gay, every single one of them.

    Also, incest. DON’T JUDGE, H8ERZ!

  103. SBP says April 29, 2013 at 10:49 pm
    Kirk/Spock is where slashfic got its name.

    That astounds me. Spock’s character is typically both reserved to the point of boring, and a know-it-all. Kirk always had new green girls to boorishly hit upon. There is no there there. At least if it was a Spock/Dr. McCoy scenario, there would be the juxtaposition of overly emotional Bones and stodgy Spock.

  104. If you consider Kirk to be the equivalent of the leg-humping dog from above (doesn’t matter what it is, as long as it rubs on the proper bits) and Spock’s tendency to go into Pon Farr, you can make it somewhat plausible. Not my cup of tea, personally.

    Most of the fans of that scenario that I’ve known have been heterosexual females, FWIW.

  105. It wasn’t like that when I was a teen. And not just because there was no Internet. We didn’t sit around in small groups and giggle about Han and Luke or Starsky and Hutch. It just wasn’t part of the landscape.

    This.

    So you two didn’t sit around in college and speculate who was fucking who on Gilligan’s Island?

    Seriously?

  106. Gilligan’s Island differed in that it offered two very fuckable women. The question of who was getting jiggy was far less important than the central question: “Ginger or Mary Ann?”

    As for who was hitting whom, that question really only applied to the Professor. Everybody knows what the The Skipper and Gilligan were up to, as well as the Howells.

  107. speaking of destroying the marriagings Mr. Aldean is getting a divorce probably a super expensive one cause of his wife was his high school sweetheart

  108. happyfeet says April 30, 2013 at 6:36 am
    speaking of destroying the marriagings

    What makes you think that divorce culture isn’t just another part of the cultural attack on marriage? Trial lawyers, lax standards, total instant gratification, all the rotten ingredients are there.

    I love how the progs always set two fires in the same house, and use the first fire as evidence that the second fire is okay.

  109. So you two didn’t sit around in college and speculate who was fucking who on Gilligan’s Island?

    I guarantee you, never did Gilligan crawling into the Skipper’s hammock ever come up. “Little Buddy” was never taken euphemistically.

  110. I don’t think Mr. Aldean is a victim of a cultural attack per se

  111. I don’t think Mr. Aldean is a victim of a cultural attack per se

    Three true words, followed by the usual.

  112. Pablo disagrees, Darleen. Maybe it was a dude thing.

  113. The reason why women never saw anything sexual in Gilligan’s Island was because THERE WAS NO SEXUAL OBJECT for them to admire.

    That took the show completely out of the sexual realm. Ginger and Maryann were there to get the juices flowing.

  114. What makes you think that divorce culture isn’t just another part of the cultural attack on marriage? Trial lawyers, lax standards, total instant gratification, all the rotten ingredients are there.

    No fault divorce was the first strike in the demolition of the nuclear family.

  115. I don’t know which was worse – no fault, or state support for unmarried mothers.

    I know *several* girls who didn’t marry their baby-daddy because as a single mom, they get the labor, etc, covered by the state.

    There is no reason to get married should you knock up your girlfriend, and it even has some negative side effects.

    (quickly adds up recent pregnancies at work – 1 out of 7 is married.)

    OMG. that is horrible. Two specifically avoided marriage to get their medical bills covered. That I know. The others may have involved a bit of that as well.

  116. don’t forget that originally The Professor and Mary Ann were simply “and the rest” there on Gilligan’s Isle, so they probably shared a bond based on joint social irrelevance.

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