March 29, 2013

The veil drops: Planned Parenthood endorses post-abortion infanticide [Darleen Click]

Even the Florida legislators were gobsmacked

Florida legislators considering a bill to require abortionists to provide medical care to an infant who survives an abortion were shocked during a committee hearing this week when a Planned Parenthood official endorsed a right to post-birth abortion.

Alisa LaPolt Snow, the lobbyist representing the Florida Alliance of Planned Parenthood Affiliates, testified that her organization believes the decision to kill an infant who survives a failed abortion should be left up to the woman seeking an abortion and her abortion doctor.

“So, um, it is just really hard for me to even ask you this question because I’m almost in disbelief,” said Rep. Jim Boyd. “If a baby is born on a table as a result of a botched abortion, what would Planned Parenthood want to have happen to that child that is struggling for life?”

“We believe that any decision that’s made should be left up to the woman, her family, and the physician,” said Planned Parenthood lobbyist Snow.

Oh.joy. Planned Parenthood tacitly approves of Kermit Gosnell.

No wonder coverage of his trial has received little Lamestream media coverage.

Posted by Darleen @ 1:12pm
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  1. They want us to crush them, don’t they? No one who isn’t mentally disturbed could argue for this.

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  4. This woman isn’t even answering any of the questions. Why is she there?

    By her lights, and by extension PP, when is it not okay to murder a human being? Couple three months old? Two or three years of age? Grandma’s getting on your nerves so bust a cap in her?

    How about her, her ownself? If I push her down the stairs, I get in trouble. How about I take her grandkid and swing him into a wall, like a Nazi? How old it too old?

    Cranky, I think I’m on board with SMoD.

  5. Veil

    Hah! That’s a good one, as though there had ever been some semblance of modesty present in these world-historical types. If they had ever stopped proclaiming their intentional virtue to the high heavens, one might even have been supposed to have got a contrary word in edgewise. As it is however, they never have, nor will they.

  6. Not a big shock that operation built out of the eugenics ideals of a racist bitch would support such an inhumane act.

  7. obviously abortion doctors need more better training if they’re doing all these botchings

  8. how many botchings per 100 abortions are there you think?

  9. no griefer, if that baby is born alive then the abortion was taking place at the time of viability

    it should be illegal. Period.

  10. an a child born alive during an abortion is not a botched abortion at all

    though the woman and “healthcare provider” at the time are both abominations

  11. that would be a different bill than the one the men are discussing

  12. endorsed a right to post-birth abortion

    What a steaming pile of manure that phrase is.

    BTW, it’s a right? Whose? The “infant”‘s?

  13. I am proud to say I am “kin” to Dr. Cary Pigman, Rep Highlands County, etc. Fl., who sponsored this bill to require medical help for these babies. Go Cary and Go Gators!

  14. endorsed a right to post-birth abortion

    What a steaming pile of manure that phrase is.

    BTW, it’s a right? Whose? The “infant”‘s?

    Dude, I don’t know which side you’re on, but you need to start again and do it in English this time.

  15. For those of you keeping score at home, in our media’s common parlance, the woman “answering” the questions is a political moderate, and the fellows asking the questions are dangerous benighted extremists.

    I think that’s a big part of how we got here.

  16. I think Scott’s point, Alec, was that the mother’s “right” ended at the moment of birth. Her only recourse now is a malpractice lawsuit.

    I wonder if the baby can file a civil suit for attempted murder?

  17. The issue, according to Giubilini, is about cost and should be approached just like euthanasia. “Euthanasia in infants has been proposed by philosophers for children with severe abnormalities whose lives can be expected to be not worth living and who are experiencing unbearable suffering.”

    Except in this case the abnormality some babies or fetuses – they are equivalent terms according to Giubilini — suffer from is acute sine pecuniam meaning, “the government ain’t got no money”.

    Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.

    Giubilini’s arguments, though horrifying to some, bring an immense clarity to the debate. The problem, plainly put, is money and its handmaidens power and politics. Since babies — infants, fetuses, whatever — don’t vote, but constituency groups in favor of abortion do vote, the rights and wrongs of the matter are less important than the dollars and cents. It boils down to “who sent you”?

  18. The issue, according to Giubilini, is about cost and should be approached just like euthanasia. “Euthanasia in infants has been proposed by philosophers for children with severe abnormalities whose lives can be expected to be not worth living and who are experiencing unbearable suffering.”

    Euthanasia has been practiced too. Everything New is Old.

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  21. Wow, I hope those pingbacks from Quora aren’t representative. Otherwise it seems like people who think the best way to improve the lives of the least powerful is to murder them.

    I believe that idea has been tried a few times in history. Did not work out so well for the least powerful any time, IIRC.

  22. how many botchings per 100 abortions are there you think?

    How many gay wedding aspirants are there per 100 people you think?

  23. “The issue, according to Giubilini, is about cost and should be approached just like euthanasia.”

    Yes, that’s the way that collectives always look at it. The state is more important than the living cogs that compose it. When a cog is no longer cost-effective, it is removed.

    The perpetual victim class is in for a rude awakening once the Almighty State really gets rolling.

  24. Nonetheless, to bring up such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care. On these grounds, the fact that a fetus has the potential to become a person who will have an (at least) acceptable life is no reason for prohibiting abortion. Therefore, we argue that, when circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.

    I wonder if they would be as coldly logical if I suggesting punishing the idiot women who keep getting pregnant with children they can’t support?

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  26. Stomping individual ants is a waste of time. You need to take out the queen.

    Makes sense, from a “cost” perspective.

  27. Steyn: The Death of the Family

    Spoiler alert: Society goes with it.

  28. Obama expressing his concern for an abortionist who botched both the abortion and the viability assessment. Starting @ the 3:00 mark.

  29. Sorry to say that the Netherlands has already put this line of thinking into action with their Groningen Protocol. Doctors can euthanize sick and disabled babies. Now Belgium is legalizing euthaniasia for children, since it’s happening already. And even some medical ethicists at Oxford are pushing for the legalization of offing just plain unwanted babies – see “After birth abortion: Why should the baby live?”
    http://preview.tinyurl.com/cgxv7lx

    If that’s not enough to make you lose sleep, there’s also a push by some ethicists to redefine death “from the irreversible cessation of cardio/pulmonary function or neurological function, to a diagnosis of permanent unconsciousness.”

    http://preview.tinyurl.com/bnkq4s7

  30. And even some medical ethicists at Oxford are pushing for the legalization of offing just plain unwanted babies

    Slow death of Christianity is bringing back the old Roman custom of leaving unwanted babies exposed on a hillside to die.

  31. Libby

    Not only that, but supposed permanent unconsciousness isn’t necessarily unaware. There have been many recorded instances of unconscious patients, with no seeming higher brain function, recalling precisely what happened during that time. And recent neurological screening breakthroughs have shown that some supposedly permanently unaware patients are able to interact. Heck, we don’t actually know what consciousness is!

    Scientific materialists would state there is no such thing as “consciousness” it is all just basic biological reactions and when the brain is compromised or shuts down, there is no one there at all.

    So believed neurosurgeon Eden Alexander, until he went through brain death … Proof of Heaven

  32. Looks like an interesting book, Darleen! As an OT, my mom worked with patients recovering from serious brain injuries/comas. I don’t know if she ever heard stories of what it was like during unconsciousness, but to assume that there’s no life after that kind of traumatic injury is ridiculous.
    What’s sad is that we could see the writing on the wall with Obamacare, especially with other countries like the UK and the Netherlands being further down the slippery slope. Heck, Obama adviser Ezekiel Emmanual’s writing on rationing care based on one’s assessed value to society has been out there for years. But no, they mocked Sara Palin’s Death Panels comment, and they’ll continue to evade and avoid questions like in that video above – right up until the point where they’re sure that enough politicians & policies are in place to introduce their our own version of the Liverpool Care Pathway/Groningen Protocol. In the best interest of the defective children or injured adult, for the sake of reining in healthcare cost, yadda, yadda, yadda. And they may pepper their pitch with the word “choice” but it won’t be anyone’s choice but the state’s.

  33. If they get to kill the baby after it’s born, the mother can’t demand a refund.

  34. Let me just say, it’s nice to see Planned Parenthood reconnecting with their eugenecs movement roots.

  35. Darleen that can’t be accurate, that the good doctor survived brain death. Near death, sure. Brain death, no.

  36. heh leigh

    they were just making the decision to take him off life support when he opened his eyes

    As a neurosurgeon, he got to look at his own records and he had bacterial meningitis (very rare) attacking and shutting down his cortex. His best outcome was chronic vegetative state since there would be no higher brain functions left.

  37. I have the book, the medical side is fascinating.

  38. It sounds interesting. I’ll give it a read when I get through my stack of stuff. Bacterial meningitis is quite rare (anything that crosses the blood/brain barrier is rare) and seems to have more child survivors than adult. Kiddoes can take higher temps than adults without brain damage.

    Thanks for the link!

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