ZOMG!! We must think of the children!!
New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.
“Someone called family services about the photo,” said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. “It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids.”
Moore was not arrested or charged. […]Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.
He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state’s hunter safety course. […]
With his attorney on speaker phone, Moore instructed the officers to leave his home.
“I was told I was being unreasonable and that I was acting suspicious because I wouldn’t open my safe,” Moore wrote on the Delaware Open Carry website. “They told me they were going to get a search warrant. I told them to go ahead.”
Nappen told Fox News the police wanted to inventory his firearms.
“”We said no way, it’s not happening,” he said. “This is a guy who is completely credentialed and his son is also credentialed.”
The attorney said police eventually left and never returned.
“He has a Fourth Amendment right and he’s not going to give up his Fourth Amendment right or his Second Amendment right,” he said. “They didn’t have a warrant – so see you later.”
Of course, CPS blathers about how they have to investigate every report, and no, one can’t hold the reporting party responsible even if it’s a deliberate false report.
And the intimidation by the police in trying to search the home without a warrant is beyond the pale.
I look forward to following the big, fat lawsuit.
This should be a learning experience for New Jersey police. It it gets enough coverage, perhaps many LEO’s will learn boundaries.
That said, the kid certainly has a nice first-rifle. I remember my first; a single-shot .22 bolt action of indeterminate manufacture, taking .22 Short, Long, or Long Rifle. I think I slayed more birds with that thing than a neighborhood full of spinster’s cats.
Imagine the reaction if the kid had been sitting in a bathtub instead of wearing camos.
Can young’uns imagine that time was it wouldn’t have occurred to any red-blooded American they had a responsibility, let alone a right, to react in such a manner to a photograph? Strange thing is, such a time wasn’t even so very long ago.
I saw this here.
They were so worried about that poor sensitive boy being abused that the social worker refused to identify herself. That’s how in the right they were.
Damn! Good for him in telling them to pound sand.
Geoff sent this to me yesterday and I held off on it because a friend of mine said he’d received a similar chain email a while back, and we were both looking into verification of the story.
The guy did many things right, he stood his ground calmly, told them they were welcome to return WHEN they had a warrant and asked for id from all, including the busy-parker CPS female.
I hope this gets a tone of publicity .. and someone needs to bring this up to Christie’s face next time he has some townhall meeting.
Looks like Atty Nappen wrote the book on NJ gun laws.
Maryland too has lost it’s marbles.
Oh for the love of ….
check out the way AssPress writes the article.
Fuck em
“This should be a learning experience for New Jersey police. It it gets enough coverage, perhaps many LEO’s will learn boundaries.”
Unfortunately the cops and the social worker won’t be the ones who foot the bill for the lawsuit. It will be the taxpayers.
someday soon I hope we make it to where these CPS fascists can’t do their jobs without an armed escort and 24 hour home security and their kids have to grow up being told no honey it wouldn’t be safe no honey it wouldn’t be safe
in fascist food stamp america that’s the closest thing you’ll find to justice
I love the idiot in the WaPo comments who keeps asserting that the CPS obergruppenfuhrer had the “right” to look in the guy’s gun safe.
Yes, that’s why she refused to give her name and ran off when confronted by the lawyer. Because she was in the right.
My takeaway from the AP piece is that a certain unnamed female social worker needs diversity training. Clearly she doesn’t know enough about men and guns to do her job without violating an innocent party’s civil liberties. Odds are, she’s not alone.
Maybe some New Jersey gun owners’ or sportsmen’s association can steal a play out of Jesse Jackson’s book.
Also, while state officials were wasting their time here, what are the odds that one or more “troubled” and/or “at risk” yutes in the system fell through the cracks?
Until 1996 it was called CPS, Child Protective Services, then it became the Division of Youth and Family Services (DYFS)[DYE-fuss] and now has morphed again into the Division of Child Protection and Permanency, DCP&P.
This is part of the magical thinking on the left. Changing the name, changes the thing named.
So where is the evidence of “abuse and neglect”? That picture? In Chris Christie’s NJ, a picture of an 11 year hold holding a .22 is evidence of abuse and neglect. What a filthy sewer.
This attitude drives me crazy. His relevant credentials are his natural born rights as an American. Any trouble remembering them, have a gander at the Constitution.You can take the other pieces of paper and stuff them, Counsellor, I don’t care how many gold stars Moore has on them. He gets no more, or different rights than the rest of us because he
New Jersey is lost, the progressive jungle has overgrown them like those pictures of feral Detroit houses. So far down the road to serfdom, they don’t even have a memory of their birthright.
“a picture of an 11 year hold holding a .22 is evidence of abuse and neglect.”
When I was deemed old enough to have my own firearm, I felt proud. Little did I know that I was being abused.
…while threatening to forcibly remove him from his home and take him into state custody.
These people need to be hurt.
…while threatening to forcibly remove him from his home and take him into state custody.
These people need to be hurt.
If Mrs Moore had followed VP Biden’s advice, on discovering unidentified armed perpetrators attempting to gain unlawful entry (no warrant), she should have taken a shotgun and let loose through the door. This is now the government sanctioned remedy, is it not?
“Division of Child Protection and Permanency”
Good name, since the State’s goal appears to be making us all permanent children.
beck is doing his part to keep this in the news
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I’m going to go with, yes, unless he suffers massive political fallout for so doing. Given that he is a statist, and couldn’t give a bucket of warm spit for the Bill of Rights. Keeping his ample posterior on the comfy seat is the only thing Krispy Kreme cares about.
I move that the state of Florida be forcibly excluded from the Union because it looks like a gun and it scares me.
Serr8d, my first rifle was also a single shot bolt action .22 of Sears origin taking short, long and LR. Still have it, works like it was new and it still drives tacks, fifty years later. 16 land “micro-groove” rifling, as I recall.
That’s what bothers the gun- grabbers – modern firearms just don’t wear out. If DiFi thinks she can dry up the supply, she is woefully misguided.
Gun, Darth?
Denounced, since some of us putzes down here think otherwise.
Florida either looks a death-dealing scary gun, sdferr, or it looks like AmeriKKKa’s wang. In which case, it resembles an instrument of rapey rape. My point still stands.
heh. Floridians generally are more inclined to think the Durbin v. Cruz 1st Amndmnt pornography vs. 2nd Amndmnt death-dealing, albeit possibly not so much with the rapey-rape, I reckon.
Just a suggestion though, maybe in the purge chuck the state back to the Caloosa and the Seminoles, if we can find any of ’em — or if not, the Spaniards could surely use the capital injection right about now.
I don’t understand why she didn’t have to identify herself.
SarahW at Protein Wisdom and me not even showered yet
I get the feeling she will be identified.
Fascism looks so awesome in practice.
“Have to” versus “want to” Sarah.
But the great thing about a lawsuit is what “has to” be disclosed in discovery.
“DarthLevin says March 20, 2013 at 7:01 am
I move that the state of Florida be forcibly excluded from the Union because it looks like a gun and it scares me.”
No silly. Exclusion due to possession of gun imagery or imaginary grenade tossing is only a power of public schools with zero tolerance gun violence policies.
Two thoughts: There needs to be an educational outreach about what people can/should and should NOT do when this happens to them. How best to stand your ground in your own home, and rebuff the state monsters.
Also: Gun owners need to start building local tweeting/messaging networks to form “flash mobs” whenever this happens – say The Authorities show up at someone’s house; not only is the person’s lawyer called, but a local network of gun owners to show up en masse (without guns) to take pictures and stand as witnesses.
Two thoughts: There needs to be an educational outreach about what people can/should and should NOT do when this happens to them. How best to stand your ground in your own home, and rebuff the state monsters.
I don’t know if you have been following this story, Gayle.
Damn, seeing this smiling kid makes me realize how badly I was abused as a 10yo being made to hunt as I was with a bolt action .410 single shot. That thing was a bitch to cock.
Silver Whistle, yeah, I saw it yesterday, just sickening. I made it through a couple of pages of the usual WaPo useful idiot comments, and just couldn’t take the insanity anymore.
(Scanning through the comments again just now, it looks like the adults have entered the fray and are starting to kick lefty useful-idiot butt – it may not mean much but it’s oh-so-satisfying ;-)
I used to work for CPS in San Francisco. I am deeply familiar with the mindset there which, in regards to guns, is simple: Guns are terrible, and should be banned from private citizens.
The entire SF social welfare system includes this notion, from bans on possession of firearms in public housing (since overturned by the courts), to a gun in the home being automatic disqualification for any would-be foster family, to the automatic assumption that firearms are child endangerment/abuse in waiting.
CPS workers who go to homes on complaints don’t take the cops unless they expect to encounter resistance, especially if they are planning to take a child they regard as being in clear and present danger. The presence of firearms is often more than enough for them to make that decision and remove the child from the home on the spot.
Given that some folks who lose their kids is such a way actually contemplate personal revenge on the worker, there are often shield laws that protect them from having to identify themselves. Sometimes there is no law, but an unofficial policy is put in place.
At least that is the justification given. Of course, cops like to use that one, too.
That thing was a bitch to cock.
Dave, my 12 year old inherited my 56 year old BSA bolt action .22 that is a bitch for me to cock. It does slow down his ammo consumption. When loaned a friend’s 10/22, there’s a pile of brass around him like he’s operating a minigun.
“But the person who reported the false allegations of abuse cannot be held liable, she noted. ‘You can’t be prosecuted for making an allegation of child abuse –even if it’s false,’ she said.”
Can the person be identified? And publicly shamed?
Two thoughts: There needs to be an educational outreach about what people can/should and should NOT do when this happens to them. How best to stand your ground in your own home, and rebuff the state monsters.
Didn’t Joe Biden already cover this ground? Two through the front door, just to be safe.
Isn’t it still pretty cold in New Jersey? Turn on the porch light and talk to them through the locked storm door while talking to the lawyer on speaker phone. I’d be damned if I’d let those gavones in my house.
Expect for there to be many more stories out of New York in the coming months because now there is an official gun snitch tip line, website, and a $500 bounty to be had for turning in anyone.
“Honey, you don’t GET to force your way into my home and then remain anonymous. I want to see some CPS ID right now, or these officers can avoid a totally useless trip by arresting you for trespassing.”
PS: “Alles claar, herr Commisar?”
Geoff, I guess people will be turning in the dangerous gang-bangers by the bushel now, eh?
“Can the person be identified? And publicly shamed?”
It is likely a FB “friend” (or friend-of-friend, depending on the privacy settings).
I’d start there and work my way down. And yes, this person would be facing a civil suit if it were me, “shield law” be damned.
For many pistols there is no such thing as a 10-shot magazine either dumbass. The Party of the smartest ever and super reality based, yep.
So Cuomo never heard of a single stack M1911 magazine? One of the most popular pistols our there? Seriously? What a clueless jack ass. Or does the law count that as 7+1 if you keep one in the chamber?
They’ll count the bullets to decide if you’re a law abiding citizen or an outlaw.
This is some profoundly stupid stuff.
on the way out
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Yeah, well fuck Jay Leno. He had his opportunity to wake up and speak some truth when it mattered — prior to the disaster — yet he either pimped for ObaZma outright (and thus for his own wallet) or kept his mouth shut and his brain closed. Johnnie-come-lately assholes like that are hardly the means out of this cul-de-sac.
Exactly, sdferr. Leno has had his head up Obama’s ass for years to the point that he’s had M’chelle on the show to “make” him eat his vegetables. He’s a grown ass man. If he doesn’t want to eat his vegetables, that’s his business.
I had a Kel-Tec with a 7 round mag, once upon a time. Cuomo is an idiot.
I don’t intend to congratulate him for finally pulling his head out of his ass and seeing the light, but I appreciate his having done so and speaking troof to pinhead.
There is no such thing as a seven-bullet magazine.
No such thing.
For reals.
Ok, bored with barrelfishing just now.
Cuomo’s not a Bond fan that’s for sure.
Guns, in the best of hands.
NY is another entry in the long list of “legislate now, ask questions later”.