February 13, 2013

“Whether that’s the implied intent, that’s the way it comes across” [Darleen Click]

This is usually Jeff’s beat, but Oh.Good.Lord.

A group of students at a California high school basketball game were told to remove patriotic bandanas and stop chanting “USA, USA” because school administrators wanted to be sensitive to other spectators. [...]

The incident occurred during a basketball last week between Camarillo High School and Rio Mesa High School in Ventura County.

A school administrator pulled aside four boys and told them to either remove their American flag bandanas or leave the game. The boys complied but returned to lead the crowd in a chant of “USA, USA.”

The boys were suspended (later rescinded) because the superintendent claims there were sinister motivations.

Gabe Soumakian, the superintendent of the Oxnard Union School District, told Fox News there were “racial overtones” to the chant [...]

“There was symbolism there with the bandana and the chant,” he said.

“It has nothing to do with being patriotic or unpatriotic,” Soumakian said. “it has to do with the fact that they are making a chant regarding that we are from the USA and you’re not. Whether that’s the implied intent, that’s the way it comes across.”

Not satisfied with the lifted suspension, let the re-education camps begin!

“As a superintendent I think we need to pursue this further,” he said. “We need to work with teachers and students and the community about the concept of cultural proficiency.”

He said cultural proficiency is “understanding how to work, live, be and understand the heritage and be respectful.”

“It’s more than just the tolerance of other ethnic or cultural groups,” he said.

“more than just tolerance” … Why, yes. Yes, I’m sure it is.

Posted by Darleen @ 7:56pm
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  1. why are we trying to make these folks legal americans?

  2. little pink gulags for you and me

  3. I hope they bring enough bandanas for everyone next time. The superintendant can suspend all the white kids at Oxnard Union and then try to expain that away on the local news.

  4. I imagine if he’d kept his panties untwisted and ignored the bandanas, there wouldn’t have been any chanting.

    Too bad May 5th is a Sunday this year.

  5. “it has to do with the fact that they are making a chant regarding that we are from the USA and you’re not.”

    Query: What does being offended by a “USA” chant and bandana imply? Hmmm?

  6. The superintendant is Armenian.

    I think I’d start making rude cracks about the Kardashian sluts sisters around him.

  7. Armenians have more than their share of bad apples and these ones really make life for the good ones way harder than it needs to be

  8. i won’t do anything with them anymore involving any real amount of money

  9. why are we trying to make these folks legal americans?

    Better question: why is California still a state?

  10. Chirpyfeet, do you pay for garbage service or is it a city service where you are? If the former, you’re probably doing business with Armenians.

    OTOH, George Deukmejian was/is a good egg.

  11. cause it’s on google maps

  12. Google is evil. You shouldn’t believe everything they tell you.

  13. “Culture will finally bury you,” shouted Comrade Khrushchev.

  14. i live in a tiny one bedroom apartment with two turtles and bad countertops but new carpet and central air but no washer dryer but with a dishwasher my big amenity is a gas fireplace I can’t figure out how to work plus some nice built-in shelving one makes a nice bar area and the other is right here where I make the comments

    this is my new apartment

    my old one had a trash chute so you didn’t have to pay you just opened up the thinger and dropped in your trash here at the new one you have to walk your trash down, which isn’t a particular hardship really, and I think the price for the trash thinger is included in the rent

    I throw away more stuff than I used to cause after food stamp got elected I quit recycling or doing anything charitable outside of taking care of people in real life like P and F and NG and the various and multiplying baby wazzles

    it’s how I roll Mr. McGehee I ain’t proud of it

  15. on my trip after fuckhead got reelected I even stopped tipping the housekeepers when I was in a blue state

    it sounds petty like I said I ain’t proud

  16. F…..I…..R…..E

    Someone call ‘em. Pound for pound, dollar for dollar, the best charity in America—or one of them.

  17. btw I love love love my armenian drycleaners and go out of my way now to go back to them

    also I love this place I bought a spensive toaster oven just for so I could properly heat up the tasty pastries I get from here (I buy a bunch then freeze em)

  18. after food stamp got *re* elected that should say

    I really never imagined he’d get a second term so I didn’t see any reason to abandon civic-mindedness until the stupid cowardly pig-like American people decided to validate the fascist raping of freedom

    then I was like ok I am not supporting this because this is not how we live

  19. I grow weary of those offended by clothing accessories.

  20. I really never imagined he’d get a second term

    A lot of people made that mistake –hell, Mitt Romney built a campaign around that premise.

    so I didn’t see any reason to abandon civic-mindedness

    That’s just compounding the initial error

    until the stupid cowardly pig-like American people decided to validate the fascist raping of freedom

    Maybe somebody —Mitt Romney, say— should have told the American people. Not to give council to their fears, that is, that Obama was a freedom raping fascist.

    Of course that would have meant sounding like Palin or Bachmann. And no Republican bien-pensant would ever dare to utter the word “rape.”

  21. when the early flinty-eyed pilgrims were assailed by the fascist freedom-hating redistributive indians what’s the first thing they would do?

    circle the wagons my brother

  22. Even by your risible standards, that doesn’t make sense.

  23. it would make all kinds of sense if you were a flinty-eyed pilgrim being assailed by fascist freedom-hating redistributive indians I bet

  24. Okay petulant man-child, you keep stiffing house-keeping and refuse to sort your garbage –that’ll teach ‘em to thwart your Obama-like will.

  25. plus I let the water run while I brush

  26. That’ll really bring cowardly pig-like Americans around to mending their failshit ways.

  27. it’s not about punishings silly it’s cause I for reals need to focus on the precarious real life people

    you forget I’m in LA people here are not doing well and it’s always something plus I have to think about getting out of here eventually and in such a way that I can offer an escape route for others

    it’s a lot of responsibility and america can go fuck herself cause the bitch with her $4 gas and her bullshit taxes and et cetera and also et cetera just makes it all the more harder

  28. I can see you’ve got your problems

  29. it’s hard out here for a pikachu booba

  30. this is all google news is giving on this story

    not even darleen’s foxnews story is coming up

  31. USA is not a race. If you think USA is a race then you are too ignorant and /or stupid to teach children. If you think it comes across that way then you are a dullard and should go find a nice job that does not involve making important decisions that could harm innocent people.

  32. no USA is not a race it’s more of a slog

  33. “Better question: why is California still a state?”

    I don’t think the debts are yet massive enough to collapse it into degenerate matter much less neutronium fluid, or a singularity (or gravastar if you don’t think full singularities arise in nature due to a threshold force that halts compression before it reaches a true singularity).

    But it’s s really fucked up state.

  34. don’t worry about the debts the california dreamers just voted – brilliantly – to up the sales tax on their unemployed/underemployed friends and family

    PROFIT!

  35. It’s the opposite of a black hole. Not even light can afford to stay.

  36. Gabe Soumakian sounds like a pig-ignorant fascist assclown. Whether that was his intent or not, that’s the way he comes across.

    “Cultural proficiency”? What the fuck does that even mean?

  37. Back in the day, I attended the High School (Rio Mesa) that was the target of the chanting. I can say with a high degree of confidence that the ” implied intent” of the chanting and the bandanas was certainly to say that Rio Mesa’s students were not American. So I don’t really feel all that bag for the students from Carmarillo, even if the actions of the school were completly wrong.

    What I don’t understand is why the idiot school administrotors VALIDATED the opinion that the students are not Americans by saying the bandanas or chanting was offensive.

    Also, it was a basketball game, so who cares what happens. I don’t know if its changed, but while I was attending, I wasn’t even sure we had a basketball team.

  38. If this was an Olympic event I can see the chant.

    Since it wasn’t, it seems to me to be a case of rudeness and poor sportsmanship.

  39. Clicked to soon. Don’t know why they couldn’t just say that, instead of all that multicultural bullshit.

    No heroes anywhere, just more idiots.

    Thanks for the morning cheer.

  40. It’s the opposite of a black hole. Not even light can afford to stay.

    Palaeomerus wins the thread.

  41. I went to a Catholic high school that, at the time, was boys-only. Our main rival was another Catholic all-boys high school across town.

    Some of our cheers were meant to imply the other school’s teams weren’t all-male. Theirs, likewise.

    We managed to avoid being sent en masse to sensitivity training.

  42. USA was an idea.

    Not so much anymore.

    I throw away more stuff than I used to cause after food stamp got elected I quit recycling or doing anything charitable outside of taking care of people in real life like P and F and NG and the various and multiplying baby wazzles

    Yea, I’ve stopped doing a lot of things since Obama was elected and re-elected.

    Like taking vacations.Or taking days off. I’ve had to stop paying some of my bills, which isn’t really working out so well for us.

  43. I keep thinking we’ve hit rock bottom, but apparently this pit just goes deeper and deeper.

  44. Oxnard? Those white kids are outnumbered. This was just telling them to mind their place.

  45. Ah, wait. The kids were from Camarillo? Much whiter than Rio Mesa.

  46. Dr. Gabe Soumakian
    @sup_du_jour

    Dr. Gabe Soumakian, Superintendent of the Oxnard Union High School District with a vision To Redesign the High School Experience for the 21st Century Learner.

    Oxnard, CA · http://www.ouhsd.k12.ca.us/about/message.php

  47. And yes, he is a #LiberalFascist.

  48. That’s not the link I intended, really. This one.

  49. Sigh. I’m so confuzzled. Happy Valentine’s Day, y’all!

  50. Pablo

    students from Camarillo attend both schools … and it looked like there were lots of “students of color” chanting USA along with the pallor boys.

    Guess they were the “inauthentic” kind …

  51. In my day, this PC twat’s car would have gotten mysteriously torched.

  52. Regardless of the ethnic make-up of the chanting students, the superintendant was in the wrong to suspend the kids for chanting “USA”. Then he rescinded the suspention making him look like even more of a pussy.

    I bet the asshat is an Ed.D, too. Like Joe Biden’s wife. It’s the stupid man’s doctoral program.

  53. And I see that mojo and I went to different high schools together.

  54. “Cultural proficiency”? What the fuck does that even mean?

    It means that you racist sexist knuckle-dragging cousin-humping mouth-breathing gun-toting tea-bagging bitterclingers need to learn how to get along with your betters, is what!

    On the other hand, we’re under no obligation to show proficiency in your “culture,” because your little Jesus/NASCAR/Kid Rock/Limbaugh/WalMart/Foxworthy/Remington world hardly qualifies as such.

  55. Better question: why is California still a state?

    Ordinarily, I’d say “as a warning to others”, but looking at Colorado these days, it’s more like “as an example to follow”.

  56. School children are ignorant stuff. That’s why they’re in school. So teach ‘em. And leave off with all that bullshit cultural business maybe, or at the very least wait until going through all the developments that led to it, so the children can at minimum attempt to understand the alternatives? Oh, but as it turns out the schools are staffed with ignorant fucks too, who haven’t got a clue what led to their miserable, bewildering state of emptiness. Ach, well, that may prove to be a problem then. Better just stick with breezy (not to say gay) electives and fumble along, then take pride as the nation melts down.

  57. seeing lil monkeys chanting usa usa for to glorify a little country what is actively raping their futures is …

    poignant

  58. If this was an Olympic event I can see the chant.

    Since it wasn’t, it seems to me to be a case of rudeness and poor sportsmanship.

    Yeah, and foam fingers? Cheerleaders? Fans cheering their team at every damn sporting event, loudly proclaiming they want to BEAT the other team?

    Sooo rude, dude.

    Everyone should get a trophy!

  59. I can see B Moe’s point though — it’s not as if the kids were chanting the name of their own school or team.

    Still, chanting the initials of their own damn country in their own damn country ought not to be a punishable offense.

  60. It’s not as if talking shit is a new phenomenon.

  61. i would like to see Mr. moe’s point but more I see the fascist eduwhore in charge is doing everything he can to lay the groundwork for chantings of usa usa to be interpreted as racism in the future

    this is evil

  62. I can see B Moe’s point though — it’s not as if the kids were chanting the name of their own school or team.

    Whatever. Very telling, the reaction, no? I mean, why didn’t the other team join in with the USA! USA! chant, hummm?

  63. why didn’t the other team join in with the USA! USA! chant, hummm?

    Exactly. When I was in school and the other side started talking smack at us, we talked smack right back instead of running to the Pantywaist Anti-Defamation League.

  64. When I was in school and the other side started talking smack at us…

    Chanting USA! at a HS sporting event between two teams from the USA is smack talk?

    Yeah, immigration reform is going to end well, I can see that.

  65. Lee, do you really think any of that honestly characterizes what I’m getting at?

    Somebody — even if only the dimwit superintendent — INTERPRETED it as smack talk.

    It’s not too early for decaf, y’know.

  66. Ha! Over at instapudit is another way to make my point.

    I THINK THE OXNARD SCHOOL AUTHORITIES SHOULD BE FIRED FOR THEIR RACIST ASSUMPTION THAT HISPANICS AREN’T AMERICANS. Shameful.

  67. I know you and what you were saying McGehee. My rhetorical question was meant for the dumb-asses handing out suspensions.

    If I don’t say it enough…I love you, man. Happy Valentines day.

  68. “We wanted to make sure [their actions weren't] racially motivated, and I told the kids I just want to be sensitive to the feelings of everybody,” Lipman said

    Someone needs to tell the super educator in a cape that race and nationality are completely different things.

    And don’t even get me started on the concept of race in general. I’ll be forced to unleash a link to one of Jeff’s several hundred word sentences he’s penned on the subject in the past.

    Did you know “hispanic” is a word the Census Bureau made up? I think it was in Nixon’s time.

  69. nixon’s the one

  70. K, this from wikipedia:

    The 1970 Census was the first time that a “Hispanic” identifier was used and data collected with the question. The definition of “Hispanic” has been modified in each successive census.[

    Funny stuff, that last bit.

    Maybe some day I, too, can be Hispanic! Modify away, Super Educator, modify away!

  71. Admit it: my several-hundred-word sentences are works of art.

  72. Things of beauty even.

  73. Did you know “hispanic” is a word the Census Bureau made up? I think it was in Nixon’s time.

    They didn’t make it up, but they redefined it. It used to mean anyone descended from natives of the Iberian Peninsula. As currently used, it’s also a subset of “White.”

  74. Yeah, I should have said “classification”, not “word”.

    From that same link to wiki above:

    an ethnonym that denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania, which comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the modern states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the British Crown Dependency of Gibraltar [...]

    The term is more broadly used to refer to the culture, peoples, or nations with a historical link to Spain, especially those countries which were once colonized by Spain, particularly the countries of Latin America which were colonized by Spain

    The stupid hurts my head. Culture, peoples, or nations with a historical link to Spain? I guess that means Native Americans are Anglo-Saxon.

  75. Hispanics speak hispanish.

  76. Jeff wrote: Admit it: my several-hundred-word sentences are works of art.

    Much like Ulysses or Remembrance of Things Past.

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