February 2, 2013

Minnesota Democratic Legislature looking to model unconstitutional gun grab on Cuomo’s unconstitutional gun grab [update]

Then, turn it up to 11.  This is what you get for all the freebies the Dems promise you when they buy your votes:  you exchange being a citizen for being a subject of their whims:

Here in Minnesota, the Democrats took control of both houses of the legislature in November, and they have wasted no time launching an attack on the 2nd Amendment. House Public Safety Committee Chairman Michael Paymar–”public safety” apparently doesn’t include self-defense–is introducing a series of anti-gun proposals, including a ban on scary-looking rifles which, as far as I know, has not yet been reduced to writing, and this bill, H.F. 243, which would ban normal-sized magazines. The bill bans the sale, transfer or possession by private citizens of all magazines with more than a seven-round capacity.

Moreover, the Minnesota bill, unlike Dianne Feinstein’s federal proposal, does not grandfather magazines that are now legally owned. Rather, it require Minnesota gun owners to “(1) remove the large-capacity magazine from the state; or (2) surrender the large-capacity magazine to a law enforcement agency for destruction” within 120 days after the statute’s effective date. Anyone who now legally owns normal-capacity magazines–like me, for example–will be subject to five years’ imprisonment if he fails to turn them in to the government.

That’s right. Minnesota Democratic lawmakers have decided that they can steal from their erstwhile law abiding citizens — in nearly every case taking standard equipment and outlawing it, rendering the firearm itself useless — as a way to effect what is a de facto ban on nearly all semi-automatic pistols, not to mention the most popular rifle platforms.  And the punishment for not granting the government its right to steal your property?  You become a felon.

Or to put it another way, your refusal to be robbed marks you as a criminal; and the criminal who is determined to rob you has the power of law enforcement and the courts to incarcerate you.

Free country? My ass. In fact, that’s the very model of a police state.

Were I these Minnesota Democrats, I’d look very carefully at the reception these attempts to demonize and criminalize law-abiding gun owners is getting in those parts of NY outside the city.

I keep saying this isn’t going to end well. And I’m increasingly convinced that armed push back is precisely what the left wants from previously law-abiding citizens so that it can finish the job of labeling gun owners fringe extremists and quasi-terrorists — and present “cause” to try to institute aggressive national gun bans.

I wonder how the police who will be used as the instrumentality of such a usurpation of liberty and natural rights will respond to being put in harm’s way — with opportunistic, cowardly politicians, who protect themselves with armed security, using civil servants as a battering ram to destroy one of the very pillars of a free society.

(h/t geoff B and Blake)

update: coordination!

…and yet, defiance.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 8:46am

Comments (46)

  1. The frogs are getting warm.

  2. I believe this is one reason that sheriffs all across the country are signalling that they will not enforce any additional gun control measures, especially confiscation. They know that there are otherwise law-abiding citizens who will, if you come for their guns, kill them.

    They will be remorseful that law enforcement had to be involved but make no mistake … they will not bat an eye.

  3. Very warm.

  4. Mmmmmm, patriotic porn.

  5. I would like to know if anybody anywhere ever gave any rationale for this suddenly magic number 7?

  6. What would happen if you gave a slave a gun? Why, he would no longer be a slave, would he?”

  7. Democrat voters deserve what they get. Let them wallow in their self-inflicted slavery.

    Conservative Minnesotans are welcome to come settle in one of our fine red states.

    Let the Great Migration commence. :-)

  8. There is no rationale. It’s one more than most revolvers, so it’s an attempt to pretend that what’s being passed is not some de facto ban on semi-autos. But that’s what it is.

    Most wont function w/o a mag, and there are no 7 round mags for most semi-autos. So they become useless as firearms — though still quite effective as bludgeons.

  9. George Will — The price of moral grandstanding:

    Emulating New York and California, two deep-blue states with mammoth unfunded pension liabilities, Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel (D) has hectored a $5?billion pension fund into divesting its holdings in companies that manufacture firearms. Now he is urging two large banks to deny financing to such companies “that profit from gun violence.” TD Bank provides a $60?million credit line to Smith & Wesson, and Bank of America provides a $25?million line to Sturm, Ruger & Co.

    Chicago’s current and retired public employees might wish the city had invested more in both companies. Barack Obama, for whom Emanuel was chief of staff, has become a potent gun salesman because of suspicions that he wants to make gun ownership more difficult. Since he was inaugurated four years ago, there have been 65?million requests for background checks of gun purchasers. Four years ago, the price of Smith & Wesson stock was $2.45. Last week it was $8.76, up 258 percent. Four years ago, the price of Sturm Ruger stock was $6.46. Last week it was $51.09, up 691 percent. The Wall Street Journal reports that even before “a $1.2?billion balloon payment for pensions comes due” in 2015, “Chicago’s pension funds, which are projected to run dry by the end of the decade, are scraping the bottoms of their barrels.”

  10. I found the following quote on “The Market Ticker” and thought it appropriate:

    Law Abiding Citizens – gawd, how I wish people would stop using that phrase to describe themselves.

    It’s. A. Trap.

    Strictly speaking, there are very few law-abiding people left. The red-giant state has so many laws on the books, I doubt it’s possible to live without violating a “law” on a regular basis — but these laws aren’t really just laws, because they punish people who have harmed no one.


    What I think most people mean by law-abiding citizens is “Peaceable People” – people who seek no conflict, who wish to be left alone to enjoy their lives, people who initiate no harm to others and wish no harm be done to them or their loved ones.

    It is perfectly possible to be a peaceable person yet not be a law-abiding citizen.

    So.. if you are one of those good-hearted and righteously*****ed-off people in the featured video, are you a “law abiding citizen” now that the guns of the state have been pointed at you? Only if you comply.

    If you refuse, then you’re “law-abiding” no longer. Ha-ha… jokes on you. See the trap?

    Link.. Comment by Bsfootprint

  11. suddenly magic number 7

    Likely because it is the number of rounds in the standard 1911 Colt .45 and quite a few small single stack pistols such as the Walther PPKS.

  12. We have merely to note that these ‘magic number 7’ legislatures know perfectly well their magic numbers will not meet a review on Constitutional grounds as the high court’s rulings now stand, and that these legislatures simply do not care that their choices will be ultimately found un-Constitutional. Such concerns, from their point of view, are irrelevant. They believe have a grant to “DO SOMETHING!”, and do something they will, whether it is legitimate or not, whether it would conduce to public safety or not.

  13. “believe they have a grant” — apologies

  14. Awesome video

    Loved where the people were relentless, then mocking, when the state’s apparatchiks refused to outline the penalties for defying the gun laws…

    and the talk of jury nullification?? Spot on.

  15. You can imagine how thrilled I am about this. I knew there was an assault weapons ban being considered, but did not know about this bill.

  16. My gut is in full clench mode.

  17. And the punishment for not granting the government its right to steal your property? You become a felon.

    You know, you might as well be hung for sheep.

  18. Video of gun confiscation during Katrina.

  19. Strictly speaking, there are very few law-abiding people left. The red-giant state has so many laws on the books, I doubt it’s possible to live without violating a “law” on a regular basis — but these laws aren’t really just laws, because they punish people who have harmed no one.

    This is why I prefer the word “honest” — as in, “An honest government does not disarm its honest citizens.”

  20. That’s a good way to put it, McGehee. I will use that form when I write my emails to the state reps. Hopefully they can be persuaded to vote against this.

    I may leave out the “honest government” part, though. I’ll think on it.

  21. BATF doing their part to further the administrations gun control publicity push does a raid of an antique and collectible guns dealer. Seizes 1500 rifles and handguns.

    No word on when they will get around to raiding AG Holder and company for Fast&Furious gun law violations or seizing the property of David Gregory and his employer for violation of the DC laws.

    I’ll certainly sleep safer knowing that that:

    antique Hammond “Bull Dog” single-shot target pistol in .32/20! No serial on frame but barrel is serial “2” with no other number visible on the gun. The barrel is professionally sleeved and extended with the seam barely visible. May be original to the barrel. Remarkable factory-quality craftsmanship. Grip frame notched for the extension walnut grips and has high quality rifle style sights. No maker name nor patent marking. With serial number “2”, this is a very interesting gun. Possible factory prototype!

    Is now safely stored in federal custody.

  22. orangeman could make this a hill to die on but he won’t

    eff dc

  23. yep but at this pint in the media narrative “we’re the crazies”

  24. and i don’t own an effin fire arm or ammo. the gop is dead.

  25. via insty

    In response to these unconstitutional actions by the President, on .223, February 23, 2013 the American people will stand together in defiance to protect the right that protects ALL of our rights, the 2nd Amendment! They will organize locally so that they may band together neighbor to neighbor and reassert their community’s right to determine their own destiny!


  26. orangeman could shut down non military ammo purchases on 2/5/13 or 2/12/13 or any date certain. will he declare? this is the task at hand.

  27. The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence[note 1] and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

  28. and i don’t own an effin fire arm or ammo.

    Why not? Go to the gun shop in Heidelburg. They have an outstanding selection and resonable prices. See if you can get a discount for being a vet.

  29. Why not?

    “here’s something happening here
    What it is ain’t exactly clear
    There’s a man with a gun over there
    Telling me I got to beware
    I think it’s time we stop, children, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    There’s battle lines being drawn
    Nobody’s right if everybody’s wrong
    Young people speaking their minds
    Getting so much resistance from behind”

  30. Paranoia strikes deep
    Into your life it will creep
    It starts when you’re always afraid
    You step out of line, the man come and take you away
    We better stop, hey, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    Stop, hey, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    Stop, now, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down
    Stop, children, what’s that sound
    Everybody look what’s going down

  31. That video boosted my morale – thanks, Jeff.

  32. I emailed all of them using my real name. I’m probably going to be put on watch lists now.

  33. All of the MN reps I mean.

  34. I assume they know I’m against the “assault weapons” ban as well.

    I think I hear helicopters…

  35. I got a response from one of the Republican reps. It was a form letter, but it was still nice.

  36. “suddenly magic number 7”

    One less than the M1 Garand, which would make all of those (and there are a lot of them) de facto illegal.

  37. One less than the M1 Garand, which would make all of those (and there are a lot of them) de facto illegal.

    Of course, we won’t have to worry about the ones Baracky has banned for re-importation from Korea.

  38. “I am not trying to hide my desire to ban the vast majority of modern weapons! Nothing sneaky about it!”

    Mr. & Mrs. America, turn ’em all in.

  39. Another rep responded, and he gets it completely. He knows they are going after a “compromise” solution, such as banning the private sales of firearms (the “gun show loophole”).

  40. Screw compromise solutions! If the MN GOP has an ounce of sense in their heads, they’ll take whatever the DFL writes up and insist it be put up for a straight up-or-down vote, with no amendments or riders. The DFL may have a 12-seat advantage in the House, but that includes at least 20 from rural, pro-gun districts.

    Let Obama have his little show today. Let the Proggies push this as hard as they can; it really is a bridge too far, even if they can’t recognize it. They are awakening a sleeping giant and filling him with a terrible resolve, and I wish them much joy of it.

  41. The last I mentioned was Rep Tony Cornish. He is not interested in moving an inch.

  42. Cornish might turn out to be a keeper.

  43. I got one more response. I consider that pretty poor performance, but they likely figured I wasn’t in their district anyway.