January 19, 2013

NY State Assemblyman: Dem’s first bill called for confiscation of “assault weapons” and high cap mags

via Doug Ross.

From Assemblyman McLaughlin’s Facebook page:

Here it is. This is the video where I was asked to keep the Democrat proposals for the NY SAFE Act away from the public. This list was given to me by a colleague and it is not confidential.

This bill was an attack on the 2nd amendment and the Democrats clearly wanted to dismantle the work of the Founding Fathers. None of these amendments were included in the final bill thanks to us fighting back. I will not stand silent while these unpatriotic proposals are pathetically thrown at us a 11 o’clock at night:

1. Confiscation of “assault weapons”
2. Confiscation of ten round clips
3. Statewide database for ALL Guns
4. Continue to allow pistol permit holder’s information to be replaced to the public
5. Label semiautomatic shotguns with more than 5 rounds or pistol grips as “assault weapons”
6. Limit the number of rounds in a magazine to 5 and confiscation and forfeiture of banned magazines
7. Limit possession to no more than two (2) magazines
8. Limit purchase of guns to one gun per person per month
9. Require re-licensing of all pistol permit owners
10. Require renewal of all pistol permits every five years
11. State issued pistol permits
12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State
13. Require licensing of all gun ammo dealers
14. Mandatory locking of guns at home
15. Fee for licensing, registering weapons

Again, look at the list. It has nothing to do with curbing gun violence and everything to do with disarming those they can — by way of government-sanctioned theft of private property — making it difficult to obtain a license going forward, and keeping tabs on those who have guns while limiting their capacity for ammo.

That is, they were out to gut the second amendment and make firearm ownership a whim of the state.

And yet, we hear putative “conservatives” telling us we need to compromise, to manage our message, to show that we’re willing to make “common sense” concessions to the left’s desire to pare down our liberty, if only to appease them temporarily until we can find the next hill not to die on.

We’re broken. And more cowbell ain’t the cure.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 3:35pm
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Comments (93)

  1. I am not interested in compromising with the left. At all.

  2. Continue to allow pistol permit holder’s information to be replaced to the public

    What does “replaced” mean in this context?

  3. More and more I find myself thinking “Nazis” when I read tehse kinds of articlees.

    Today is the 70th anniversary of the Warsaw Ghetto uprisings, for context.

  4. What compromise do you make with the guy who wants to rape your wife and your daughter?

    What does “replaced” mean in this context?

    That NY Democrats not English good making. Look how well the handle the Constitution.

  5. There is a difference between compromise and being compromised.

    The GOP seems to have forgotten that. If every time you compromise you lose a little more and gain nothing then the latter is happening.

  6. Anyone opposed to those sane, reasonable and common-sense proposals clearly doesn’t care about saving the life of that one child, and shouldn’t have access to weapons in the first place.

    /Harry Waxman

  7. 12. Micro-stamping of all guns in New York State – would effectively ban all guns in New York, because the technology does not work on existing firearms.

  8. The face of gun violence is not Sandy Hook. It is Chicago.

    In 2012, President Barack Obama’s adopted hometown had 506 murders, including more than 60 children. Philadelphia, a city that local television newscasters frequently call ‘Killadelphia,” saw 331 killed last year. In Detroit, 386 people were murdered.

    Since 1966, there have been 90 school shootings in the U.S., with 231 fatalities. Yes, Sandy Hook shocked us. But the odds of a child being killed at a school shooting are longer than the odds of being struck by lightning.

    Link

  9. cuomo’s only slim slight prayer of ever being president is if hillary gets majorly clotted up big time

    so i assume he’s ultimately angling to be her veep

  10. He’s stupid enough to be veep. It’s not like the job calls for brain power.

  11. Algeria: 32 militants killed, with 23 hostages

    In a bloody finale, Algerian special forces stormed a natural gas complex in the Sahara desert on Saturday to end a standoff with Islamist extremists that left at least 23 hostages dead and killed all 32 militants involved, the Algerian government said.

    With few details emerging from the remote site in eastern Algeria, it was unclear whether anyone was rescued in the final operation, but the number of hostages killed on Saturday – seven – was how many the militants had said that morning they still had. The government described the toll as provisional and some foreigners remained unaccounted for.

  12. ok that’s a seriously crappy place to work

  13. That’s an example of why I think parents should have to pay tuition. They won’t put up with that shit if they’re paying for it out of pocket.

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  15. you say that but what if she really did shoot her friend with the toy bubble gun how would you feel then

  16. Minnesota buyers take up arms in record numbers

    Those burgeoning numbers worry gun control advocates, who are puzzled that the reaction to the Newtown tragedy has been this massive firearms buildup.

    we’re here we’re “queer” get used to it

  17. No kidding, Ernst. I stuck my little shavers in parochial school at that age.

    The principal had quite a collection of confiscated plastic weapons.

  18. what if she really did shoot her friend with the toy bubble gun

    kodak moment

  19. I’m tempted to go to the next school board meeting. “What are you going to do to make sure this doesn’t happen here?” I’ll ask.

    Anyone want to give me odds that they’ll think I’m talking about the out-of-control kindergartener, and not the out of control teachers, counselors, administrators…?

  20. Easy money on that one.

  21. i rent my house from the school board for $200.00/month

  22. Drudge is running a series of articles about an armed assault on a Bulgarian opposition politician. Evidently the ‘gun’ used was a CO2 pistol, though FoxNews calls it a gas gun. Reuters and the Daily Mail don’t mention the CO2 aspect of the deal, saying instead the ‘gun’ misfired.

  23. It’s a good thing I’m not a paranoid, militia-movement-joining survivalist nut.

    Because if I was, it would really appear to me that people in power were trying to provoke a response in order to justify a crackdown on all the uppity little people going on about seperation of powers and rule of law and natural rights.

    Thank God that could never happen here.

    (Unless we elect some godbothering lifeydoodle, right ‘feets?)

  24. This “signed a law to take guns away from cops” thingie needs to be Cuomo’s running mate, I’m thinking.

  25. an armed assault on a Bulgarian

    get back to me when they talk about chicago

  26. air gun laws

    hmmm this is in the spirit of fascist cuomo-style dark of night gun law reform

    In Denmark airguns can be owned by anyone over the age of 18. There are no restrictions regarding muzzle energy. As of June 2012, the laws change (with the consequence that some 600,000 Danes could be breaking the Firearms Laws), in that some air guns will require a license, or membership of a gun club to own them. This law is being contested by many parties.

    but anyway it doesn’t say if it’s legal to have an air gun in bulgaria or not

  27. I saw that on ABC’s nightly news, sdferr. They called it a gas gun too, and added something like “self-defense weapon deadly at close range.”

    Are you suggesting that it was a pellet gun?

  28. we are in no danger of electing a godbothering lifeydoodle

    I keep trying to tell you but nobody listens

  29. It does look like he pulled the trigger. Maybe his gun blew a seal.

  30. I’d interpret it as a pellet gun, but then I’m just assuming what I don’t know. Truth is, I’ve never heard of a ‘gas gun’ as such, past a CO2 gun.

  31. This “signed a law to take guns away from cops” thingie needs to be Cuomo’s running mate, I’m thinking.

    Amen

  32. an armed assault on a Bulgarian

    get back to me when they talk about libya or algeria

  33. if the gop had effin’ balls it would be non stop fast & furious. 24/7/365/4

  34. Interesting. ABC mentioned that the near-victim was stepping down as head of the (whatever) party. I won’t deny the thought “staged assassination attempt” crossed my mind.

    Fortunately I dismissed it. I wouldn’t want my betters to question my sanity.

    That path leads to drain rats.

  35. we are in no danger of electing a godbothering lifeydoodle

    a proggtard/muslim from chitown is ok?

  36. A CO2 pistol? As in a BB or pellet?

    That’s really bizarre. Pellets and Bulgaria together make me think of the Markov killing but there’s a big difference between a covert action and attacking someone onstage.

  37. Do the Danes find themselves in need of some concealable weapons for the purpose of protecting their native prostitutes from the constant assaults of invading Swedes or Krauts?

  38. ban gas guns now! /sarc

  39. point blank shots with a hammer unknown.

  40. See, here is my dilemma when I see shit like that 5 yr old with a Hello Kitty bubble gun.

    On the one hand, there is no way people as fucking retarded as those school administrators should be allowed sharp objects, let alone firearms, but at the same time I’ll be damned if I am going to be told disarm as long as those pinheads are running around loose.

  41. Some of those .22 caliber pump-up jobbies can put a serious dent in a 55 gallon drum. Not something I’d want to get shot in the head with, to be sure.

  42. I don’t know about pellet guns killing anyone, but I remember when Dr. Kananga was killed by a gas bullet.

    It was probably one of those high capacity jobs.

  43. The only thing we can be sure of is that it was black and therefor it was clearly an assault pellet gun.

  44. I’ve considered getting one of the higher-powered air rifles, given that a) they’re relatively silent, b) there are way too many rabbits and squirrels around here, c) I like my garden, and d) my neighbors are all hardcore treehuggers who just love them some cute fluffy rodents.

  45. newrouter says January 19, 2013 at 6:29 pm

    For those who don’t know, the Minneapolis Star Tribune is a commie rag, as is the St Paul Pioneer press.

    Just an FYI.

  46. Was it something like a starter’s pistol?

    Didn’t Brandon Lee die from getting shot with a blank?

  47. So did Jon Erik Hexum.

  48. Two things make this gun control resurgence counter-intuitive to me. First, the situation used to be that union members and blue collar workers were voting for the Republicans until the Dems decided to cave in recognition of public opinion. Gun control is popular with voters they already have and unpopular with most everyone else. Second, Heller made all successful legislative or executive actions for gun control subject to almost certain appeal and reversal. And these reversals happen after they’ve already taken their lumps in the electorate for pushing them in the first place.

    What’s changed here? They’re clearly going for it again but I’m not sure why they think they have a better hand now than they’ve had before.

  49. Maybe it’s as simple as Obama not needing to win another election so his staff figures “Why not try?” If that’s the case then maybe the best way to deal with the push* is to make every Dem in a competitive seat vote on this as often as possible.

    *In Washington that is. Seems the American public has decided the best way to deal with this is to buy every gun and box of ammo available.

  50. Maybe his gun blew a seal.

    Told me that was just ice cream.

  51. it is really simple: eff off on guns and pass a budget. here’s simple: stay focused orange idiot,

  52. is there a dem running against orange dude? vote for him.

  53. I enjoy Squid’s occasional suggestions of language that can be thrown into bills to give the Dems heartache. Why not continually insert language that gives vulnerable Dems heartburn in bills that are giving our own squishes heartburn like the Pork for the Eastern Seaboard legislation?

    That’s a useful way to say eff off on guns, I think.

  54. I tend to think it’s because they don’t actually care.

    If they cared they’d have already passed something in the House that instructed Obama to service the debt out of receipts in the event of an impasse. They could call it the Full Faith and Credit Act or the Puppies and Children Cruelty Prevention Act. Heck, they could expand it to include every item covered during Clinton’s famous balanced budgets if they felt like it.

    But they don’t pass these things. This leads me to draw certain conclusions.

  55. nr,

    When did Infowars loons infiltrate Gateway Pundit?

    o_O

    I’ve been off most of the net for a couple of months, and I go back to some blogs I used to read regularly, and the comment sections are all but unrecognizable.

  56. mr spiny,

    i joined nra because these clowns are in charged for 4 more. i hatey hate proggtards. to proggtards: death to you pigs and monkeys see: the koran.

  57. I’m a life member of the NRA, and just joined Gun Owners of America. I think I’ll join Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership soon as well; those guys are very serious. Plus, you don’t have to be a Jew to join, which is good because I believe in the whole Jesus is the son of G-d thing.

    The NRA has disappointed me a bit for straying from their primary mission. I still remember the flap over the song “Cop Killer” which the NRA had to get involved in for some stupid reason. Stick to guns and only guns, guys.

  58. You know things are getting serious when your local firing range is running out of .22 LR.

    Seriously, what IS it with .22LR that makes it hard to lay hands on, these days?

    Luckily I had a few hundred rounds on me. Shooting through open sights I was able to get my grouping reduced to about a 6-inch circle at 50 feet, which is an improvement for me. I still need better sights to improve the sight picture, and would like to do better using those. But it might just be better for me to go to a scope; my problem is not so much steadiness as it is being able to see both blade and notch clearly while lining it all up. Maybe something more visible would help. I hate to get too elaborate because simplicity is kind of the point of iron sights.

    The wife, after a few false starts, put two rounds touching each other in the red zone with her Ruger LCR .38. And then the damned thing went and jammed on her. Back to the factory, and maybe back to the drawing board as regards a carry weapon for her. Depending on what Ruger has to say, I mean.

  59. Some engineering genius really needs to come up with an easily reloadable rimfire cartridge.

  60. what IS it with .22LR that makes it hard to lay hands on, these days?

    My guess is that it’s because guns chambered in .22lr are the most widely owned firearms, and because it’s the cheapest to buy in bulk. So everyone who owned one (or decided to buy one) went out and bought as much as they could lay hands on. I have been just about literally kicking myself for not blowing off the in-laws and driving 3hrs to the nearest Cabela’s to buy a Ruger 10/22 breakdown on black friday.

    When I was at the local sporting goods store a wekk ago, you could hardly find a semi-auto anything.

    And I effing hate black friday. (Holiday shopping & crowds of any kind, really.)

    Also, an engineer who figures out a way for reloaders to get primer into the rims of their empty brass really is a genius.

  61. Twelve Year Old Girl Shoots Home Invader

    Under sheriff Ken Golden says the girl is a hero and that under the circumstances, she did everything right to protect herself .”She did everything she was supposed to do and as a last resort, she did what she had to do to protect herself.”

    Hey, we found a child! Not THE CHILD whose life Obama wants to save, perhaps, but a precious child nonetheless.

  62. Two things make this gun control resurgence counter-intuitive to me. First, the situation used to be that union members and blue collar workers were voting for the Republicans until the Dems decided to cave in recognition of public opinion. Gun control is popular with voters they already have and unpopular with most everyone else. Second, Heller made all successful legislative or executive actions for gun control subject to almost certain appeal and reversal. And these reversals happen after they’ve already taken their lumps in the electorate for pushing them in the first place.
    What’s changed here? They’re clearly going for it again but I’m not sure why they think they have a better hand now than they’ve had before.

    I’ve a couple of suggestions, anwerwise.

    First, blue collar unions aren’t as important to Democrats as they used to be –at least not as far as their members voting patterns are concerned. Second, I think Glenn Reynolds is on to something with his it’s the ruling class rubbing the country class’s face in it observation. Third, the people running the Democrat party these days either survived the fallout of the original AWB vote or represent constituencies where a new AWB is popular.

    Frankly, I think the guy who has the most to worry about with a new AWB is Harry Reid. Durbin, Pelosi, Hoyer, Obama, none of them give a shit. Becuse any negative repercussions from legislative action won’t fall on them. Also, I suspect that, unlike 1994, when the Democrats ran everything, there are more than enough gutless Republicans in the House to give the Democrats enough cover to make it worth risking a few of their purple seats in order to win a more than offsetting balance of our purple seats. Especially when you factor in how disaffected the GOP base is with it’s political representation these days.

    It’s not all that hard to envision a scenario where the President and the Senate wear down the any hill but the one we’re on House, pass some kind of gun control legislation, and then the Democrats recruit a bunch of pro-gun Democrats to run against vulnerable Republicans. Not unlike what happened in ’06, really.

  63. Ernst: from what I’ve read it’s a liquid primer mixture that gets spun in using a centrifuge. A bigger problem is getting rid of the dent from the previous use, which would cause a misfire if it happened to line up again in the same place.

  64. I’ve considered getting one of the higher-powered air rifles

    This Gamo one works for me. It’s somewhat quiet, powerful, and looks absolutely fabulous.

  65. Via Insty, Bill Clinton talking to big Democrat donors.

    Clinton said that passing the 1994 federal assault weapons ban “devastated” more than a dozen Democratic lawmakers in the 1994 midterms — and cost then-Speaker of the House Tom Foley (D-Wash.) his job and his seat in Congress.

    “I’ve had many sleepless nights in the many years since,” Clinton said. One reason? “I never had any sessions with the House members who were vulnerable,” he explained — saying that he had assumed they already knew how to explain their vote for the ban to their constituents.

    Clinton also recalled threatening to veto a bill as Arkansas governor that would have prevented the city of Little Rock from instituting an assault weapons ban.

    Clinton said that an National Rifle Association lobbyist threatened him over his veto in the state house, saying that the group would cause problems for his upcoming presidential campaign in rural states like Texas.

    “Right there in the lobby,” Clinton said. “They thought they could talk to governors that way.

    “I knew I was getting older when I didn’t hit him,” Clinton said. Clinton recalls telling the NRA lobbyist, “If that’s the way you feel, you get your gun, I’ll get my gun and I’ll see you in Texas.”

    But he said that he understands the culture that permeates a state like Arkansas — where guns are a longstanding part of local culture.

    “A lot of these people … all they’ve got is their hunting and their fishing,” he told the Democratic financiers. “Or they’re living in a place where they don’t have much police presence. Or they’ve been listening to this stuff for so long that they believe it all.”

    They, on the left, are shedding their masks and coming out of the woodwork. My belief is that this is designed to cause someone who is less than stable to do something which they can then use to get these gun laws passed. They are working the pole hard to have more killings for their own political benefit.

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  67. serr8d: that’s definitely a “high capacity” “military-style” air rifle. I don’t see a bayonet lug, though. :-) Thanks!

  68. “They thought they could talk to governors that way.”

    I can “talk to governors” any way I damned well please. They’re supposed to work for us, not the other way around.

  69. Billy Jeff makes Lance Armstrong look like a choir boy.

  70. Slart, is you wife taking lessons or are you guys learning on your own? I took defensive shooting lessons years ago and one of the things my instructor taught me was how to clear a jambed cartridge and start over with a newly chambered round. If she practices often, and semi-autos like to jamb for some reason (some more than others), she should be able to eject the jambed cartridge, reseat the magazine and chamber a new round in a few seconds.

    All you guys burning through all this ammo that isn’t rimfire, pick up your brass when you’re finished shooting. Brass is the new copper. Pun intended.

  71. geoff, that story about Big Dawg reminds me that my neighbors in the state of Arkansas are a bunch of pussies. (Any Outlaws excepted, of course.)

    “Meet me in Texas” What the ?

  72. Of course, where Cranky lives, there is not really an ammunition shortage. Probably doesn’t hurt to have one of the largest ammunition manufacturers in the US in his backyard. (I was chatting with my son and he was surprised to find out ammunition was in short supply nationally. I then remembered Federal has a large factory not far from where he lives)

  73. He should be able to fill a gap in the market share, Blake. No going to Walmart, Son of Blake is your middle-man.

  74. Ruger LCR is a wheel gun leigh.

  75. Shows why my husband is in charge of that stuff.

  76. When I saw LCR .38 my mind saw LC380, which is a semi-auto pistol, at first.

  77. CBS News political director John Dickerson:

    Through a series of clarifying fights over controversial issues, he can force Republicans to either side with their coalition’s most extreme elements or cause a rift in the party that will leave it, at least temporarily, in disarray.

    Clarifying? One of Dickerson’s comrades needs to get him a copy of Marxism for Dummies stat. Clarification is not good for commies.

  78. Looks to me like the big boy version of the LCP geoff.

  79. John Dickerson isn’t the only one thinking that way.

  80. Assuming I still believe in the political process…bwhahahahahahahaha (wipes away tears) Mr. Dickerson should be careful what he wishes for.

    Clarification works both ways.

    Does Mr. Dickerson really want to see a lot of the progressives in the GOP purged from the Senate and the House?

  81. she should be able to eject the jambed cartridge, reseat the magazine and chamber a new round in a few seconds.

    A great way to practice this is with a couple dummy rounds – either store bought (eg. Snap Caps) or have a reloader seat a bullet into an unprimed case.

    Then, while at the range have your partner load a magazine with the dud round somewhere inside. You then shoot a course of practice fire and clear the ‘jam’ when it appears.

    Adding a little stress to the mix also helps – like using a PAST timer and shooting for score e.g. (hits – misses/time)

  82. Obazma’s spokesgoons, such as ol’ neighbor Juan, but not limited to him, certainly, make their way about the airwaves claiming Obazma has been ‘deeply affected’ by the slaughter in Sandy Hook, such that the effect of this internal injury has given rise to Obazma’s turn to gun control as a necessary consequence.

    Personally, I can’t quite bring myself to credit a wounded fellow-feeling to this amoral calculating ponce Obazma, though I could easily credit to him a recognition of a bona fide horror he might use to his own ends (will he soon direct the leaking of photographic evidence of the murder scenes? Don’t bet against it just yet).

    But there we stick. What are the ends? The utility we can see: it’s Rahm’s “let no ‘crisis’ go to waste”. But no further explanation of the ends is forthcoming, nor will be, since ends are none of your (or my) concerns from the point of view of those conceiving them. And aren’t their purposes, though unknown to the likes of us, sufficient in themselves to be worthy goals? Again, from the point of view of the dealers in the common good, of course they are, as of necessity they must be. For they are willed to be so.

  83. will he soon direct the leaking of photographic evidence of the murder scenes?

    Like this.

  84. Possibly more like this:

    It was necessary, therefore, to Moses that he should find the people of Israel in Egypt enslaved and oppressed by the Egyptians, in order that they should be disposed to follow him so as to be delivered out of bondage. It was necessary that Romulus should not remain in Alba, and that he should be abandoned at his birth, in order that he should become King of Rome and founder of the fatherland. It was necessary that Cyrus should find the Persians discontented with the government of the Medes, and the Medes soft and effeminate through their long peace. Theseus could not have shown his ability had he not found the Athenians dispersed. These opportunities, therefore, made those men fortunate, and their high ability enabled them to recognize the opportunity whereby their country was ennobled and made famous.

    Those who by valorous ways become princes, like these men, acquire a principality with difficulty, but they keep it with ease. The difficulties they have in acquiring it rise in part from the new rules and methods which they are forced to introduce to establish their government and its security. And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them. Thus it happens that whenever those who are hostile have the opportunity to attack they do it like partisans, whilst the others defend lukewarmly, in such wise that the prince is endangered along with them.

    Of course by all means, read the whole thing, and most particularly the very next chapter.

  85. delusional

    Jennifer Granholm: Obama ‘Sees Himself as Protector-in-Chief’

    That isn’t at all delusional newrouter.

    Another word for protector is custodian.

  86. What are the ends?

    Power! unlimited POWER!

  87. Adding a little stress to the mix also helps – like using a PAST timer and shooting for score e.g. (hits – misses/time)

    ThomasD, that’s a great drill and one I haven’t done in too long a time.

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