January 16, 2013

“Political sphere reacts to Obama gun violence proposals”

Like the good little leftist poodle he is, our very own CO Senator Udall, who has now seen two of the most infamous mass shootings in recent years take place in gun free zones, is four square behind Obama’s move to ban weapons with folding stocks or muzzle breaks or pistol grips, none of which would have prevented either of those shootings, nor the Newtown shooting. Because he cares, you see. About the children. As does our Governor, Hickenlooper. I know because they keep telling me so.

Our rights on the other hand? Well, if you want to save the children, and the children are an omelet…

Colorado is a gun state. So this could get interesting.

At any rate, a round-up here.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 4:07pm
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Comments (54)

  1. wow Boehner is on fire

  2. Maybe its just me…but I do not care for being lectured on the safety of children by a guy that opposed the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, sells F-16s to the Muslim Brotherhood all while ignoring the fact that his underlings have provided some 2,000 weapons of the type that he feels law abiding US citizens should not own, to violent criminals.

  3. Thanks for the reminder Jeff.

    Note to self: invest in folding replacement stock.

  4. The American people like the illusion of safety.

  5. The president takes aim and fires a volley in a scattershot attempt to hit something, anything, without aiming or taking into account what lies beyond his immediate target. Typical.

  6. Takes aim… without aiming. Jeebus I need to proof what I write. Things got a little out of hand. It’s just this war on our rights and that lying son of a not very nice person Obama and…

  7. ot orangeman leadership

    “When you start passing stuff that your members are not in line with, all of a sudden your ability to lead is in jeopardy because somebody else is making decisions. The president is making decisions, Pelosi is making decisions, or they are making the decisions in the Senate.”

    link

  8. Gov. Dannel Malloy, D-Connecticut
    “In the hours after the worst of our fears were confirmed, in the midst of the grief and sorrow over the loss of 20 innocent children and six dedicated educators at Sandy Hook Elementary School, there was one question on the minds of people across Connecticut and around the nation: How do we make sure this never happens again?

    We don’t. What we can do is mitigate the danger. What is being done right now to prevent this from happening again to the students of Sandy Hook? You already know, Governor, as you were in on it. It’s not a gun ban or a gun free zone, is it?

    Levin had an excellent point a little while ago. We can’t stop murders in prisons, where we have 24/7 control of people and the things they have access to.

  9. Raul Labrador gets my vote for most awesome name.

    Also kind of like his style at first glance.

  10. I wonder how much we have to worry about this, between Lance Armstrong admitting he doped and the rapidly breaking story on Manti Teo’s imaginary dead girlfriend this will all be out of the news and under the rug in no time.

  11. Colorado is a gun state.

    Sure, outside of the Denver-Boulder-Fort Collins Metropolitan Axis.

    Our problem is that that’s where the majority of the population is, and as far as they’re concerned the rest of the state (other than the I-70 ski area corridor) may as well be effin’ Nebraska.

  12. Great Klavan column

    Even better comment thread on whether 9mm or .45 or another caliber is to be preferred when it comes to stopping threats that need stopping.

  13. “60 percent of young Americans plan to purchase firearms, study reveals”

    http://www.campusreform.org/blog/?ID=4576

  14. History lesson. “The Racist Roots of Gun Control.”

    It has always been about controlling those “others” that the persons in power want to control.

  15. oh good hannity has rove up 1st tonite. i don’t listen to his radio show so now tv is also gone but look

    Fox News hires Dennis Kucinich

  16. Fox should give Kucinich his own show with Hank Hill as a cohost.

  17. “wow Boehner is on fire”

    From your lips to God’s ear.

  18. marco rube jeb bush boy

  19. wow Boehner is on fire

    Who’s hitting the store for marshmallows?

  20. Marshmallows sound great.

    Then we could sing some songs

    “There was a party had a hack,
    And Boehner was his name-o…”

    Then we could tell ghost stories about Harry Reid showing up at the window of a car parked on Lover’s Lane.

  21. Rand Paul to push legislation nullifying Obama’s executive orders on guns.

  22. We really need to revist the nullification debates and see if there’s something to work with in there.

    OT: I finally watched The Dark Knight Rises. Really slow start, but pays off after the first hour, hour and a quarter.

  23. I thought the end of Rises was a rare one, in terms of being fairly solid and satisfying. Some would call it a little pat or kitschy, but it’s a comic book movie, not Great Literature.

    The beginning and middle were not as great. Should have been a half-hour shorter and had some more motivation in the middle.

  24. I found this story somewhat reassuring this morning. Or if not reassuring, at least it made me feel a little better. (FYI, Pine County is on I-35, about halfway between Duluth and St. Paul.)

    I also see that Sen. Stewart Smalley is on the fence regarding “assault” weapons. It’s good when the bastards start getting afraid of the right people.

  25. In the WSJ editorial pages this morning, they gave a rather favorable review of Gov. Hickenlooper’s proposals for addressing the mental health issues that accompany the gun grabbing talk, noting epsecially how Big Media shouted the first part of his comments about controlling guns and then ignored all his comments about trying to identify and address the violently mentally ill.

    Not a value judgment, just an observation.

  26. And not so much as one “piss off, Barry” amongst ‘em.

    I am depressed.

  27. I know it’s not popular to mention it here, but what we have here is simply a major failure of civics and history education in our schools.

    I want to keep this short, so I won’t spend time describing how well-rounded civics- and American History-educations innoculate young adults against Teh Stoopid the Progressives’ exploit with their media-generated nonsense.

    Instead, I write to propose a solution (and, no, it doesn’t involve buying more guns!): Form a sizeable group, and protest loudly in front of your kids’ schools, DEMANDING that the schools enact TOMORROW a thorough indoctrination of ALL American children in the basics of initiating civic-groups (ie. devising agendas, holding committee hearings, and allowing public input in public meetings). All with the goal of training 8-10-year olds in the art of resolving social problems with consensus delimited by the organization’s “mission-statement” and by its litigate-able governing bylaws (in our case, The Constitution).

    Many of the employees in Public schools are charlatans, who know that they are polluting our kids’ civic orientation to achieve a dumbed-down, dependant bloc, but who will pretend they are actually “building a better citizen.” These people NEED TO GO! Your protest should deploy every tactic to objectify, demean and fire them, that their union/media organizations use daily against us.

    The goal should be to avoid a Hot civil war, by disarming the Left’s media-squads in our schools. Hot, shrill protests worked for Code Pink in Crawford – use them to Patriots’ benefits in Glenwood Springs, Estes Park and Pueblo, too.

    Guys, I know some of you are itching to try-out that shiny new gizmo you bought last year on real dummies. But we’re not there yet. If, after you have taken back your schools from the unions, after the enlightened old-hands in our firefighting and policing unions have dialed back their new recruits’ union-inflated expectations for pay/pension parity with their NYPD and Berlin, Germany analogs, and after you have slain the services-employees unions in state and federal agencies, if, after all that has been achieved, Chicago-goons are still out gunning for your childrens’ minds, your incomes and your guns, then I’ll saddle-up and come join you on the parapets with my private armory.

    ‘Till then, though, our Job 1 is organize and protest. Go get the Left where it hides, in the education and state/federal civil service unions, and watch them trash the Constitution in their attempts at defense. Slay those beasts, and I predict we’ll regain our nation.

  28. I know some of you are itching to try-out that shiny new gizmo you bought last year on real dummies.

    I don’t know of anyone here who fits that description. If such people are posting comments here, I hope they identify themselves so I know who to avoid in the future.

  29. Ernst,
    RE “The Dark Knight Rises:” remember how Anne Hathoway allowed herself to be filmed in warm leggings slipping in and out of various OWS encampments? And how many were wondering what the ‘H’ she was up to?

    Well, I think she was working a slick publicity stunt in advance of the film’s release. All the better to cement the analogy the film hopes to exploit, that of OWS-protestors’ similarity to the scruffy mob Bane assembles to terrorize Gotham.

    Who knows, some of the lap-tops and iPads that went missing from OWS tents may have been lifted by Cat-Woman!

  30. Protest in front of schools, steveaz?

    I don’t think you’ve properly considered the optics of any vague, difficult-to-stage protests in front of public schools. Or you have, and relish the idea of observing the fireworks.

    Now, publicly protesting school board meetings with no children present (taking away a huge and valid concern our opposition would loudly and happily exploit) might be doable. Since everyone pays taxes to support public schools, everyone has a right to voice grievances to representatives. Or so we’re told.

  31. I know it’s not popular to mention it here, but what we have here is simply a major failure of civics and history education in our schools.

    It’s not popular to mention the blindingly obvious here? Hmmm…

  32. Cranky,
    I like a little straw-man in my ‘jots’ some days.

    This one’s staked-out on purpose at a fork in a false-dichotomy, with one arm tied-up to wave readers down the path I intend them to take.

    I know it’s polemical of me, but this is a semiotics blog.

  33. Serr8d,
    Controled protests by taxpayers, staged outside select public secondary schools that teach the progressive’s post-modern history and civics curricula would draw attention both to the protested curricula AND the protestors.

    Right? That’s how grass-roots protests work.

    And, if the protestors used the media attention to propose alternative, pro-American Constitution curricula to replace them, then the protests have afforded Patriots a platform to air their solutions, too. If the only result is to galvanize local tax-payers to attend local public hearings more regularly, then log it as a gain.

    Not sure why “optics” are so deterrent to you. Optics, like “news,” are whatever media get paid to say they are. Nothing a devoted group of Patriots out to avoid hot civil war ought to worry about.

    BTW: I think a majority of property-tax payers across the West would like to flip their school boards, principals and over-paid, upper-administrators. Make the protests about them, too, and you’ll likely get more traction on the curricula.

  34. I like a little straw-man in my ‘jots’ some days.

    This one’s staked-out on purpose at a fork in a false-dichotomy, with one arm tied-up to wave readers down the path I intend them to take.

    I know it’s polemical of me, but this is a semiotics blog.

    That won’t work here. Instead, you end up with something that doesn’t ring true, and taints the rest of what you have written.

  35. Serr8d,
    I hesitated to say it at first, but on second thought, it may be preferable to protest while the schools are in session, just to get the local ABCCBSCNNMSNBC cameras to show up.

    The national teachers’ unions striked on Chicago during the school-day to “draw attention” to their cause du jour. I’d announce the copy-cat proudly, then use the attention your brazenness gains you to state the protests’ intentions.

    And, if you focus your protests on schools that your kids attend, or that your taxes pay for, then the tut-tutting scolds from the media will melt before your recital of your Constitutional rights to protest tax-policy and the mal-education of your children.

  36. I think it might be best for ol’ steveaz to start his own blog to better expound on his views.

  37. Cranky,
    Point taken.

    But, I used it mid-way in the ‘jot’ knowing that I already had my reader on the hook, and that he/she probably wouldn’t wiggle free from the hook on account of it.

    Seem’s to have worked this time.

  38. It’s in the works, Leigh!

    Stay tuned.

  39. It’s hard to tell what it is that has moved you to embark on a program to discredit yourself steveaz, but whatever it is, we can be sure it’s something intensely important — since you do yourself honor enough to tell us so. But do keep on, that being the case, and all will be revealed eventually, we can surely assume.

  40. Seem’s to have worked this time.

    Not really. I tend to skim longer comments to see if there is any meat before I read them thoroughly. It may have “worked” on someone else here, but I tend to doubt that supposition.

  41. But, I used it mid-way in the ‘jot’ knowing that I already had my reader on the hook…

    Except that you opened your Modest Proposal with the assertion that this crowd would never listen to claims that our public school system is broken, an assertion that is laughable on its face. I read no further, and wouldn’t have gone back had I not read the back-and-forth which followed. So I suppose you could say that your efforts at “hooking” me were successful, but only because people I respect took the time to rebut you. In another forum, that would not have had the same effect.

    If I might make an observation: your recent forays into stirring up the pot around here have been long on manipulation and short on solid rhetoric. I might have accepted your proposal to organize locally and insist on deprogramming in our schools, had you not opened your piece with an absurd claim and continued it with the insinuation that I (though I’m certain you’ll claim you didn’t mean me personally) am just itching to gun down my neighbors. That’s just not a good way to win me over to your arguments, nor even to open a debate with any hope of a constructive outcome.

    Honestly, it’s difficult to tell who your intended audience is sometimes. The needling and insults would be more appropriate in a hostile setting; indeed, I fear that if you keep up these little experiments in rhetoric, you’ll find this environment growing more and more hostile.

    Good luck with your efforts. I hope you get the messaging and tone sorted out.

  42. I am just ignoring him. He isn’t interesting enough to generate hostility.

  43. The problem with your construction, Steve, is that you’re asking the people who deliberately caused the problem to solve it.

    Not going to happen. Go around, don’t ask politely. And shouting is polite with these people.

  44. I’m ignoring him, as well. He’s like a wordy sophomore who has just decided to use that Thesaurus he got for Christmas.

  45. I assume that Steve is posting for people in some other universe and that their positive feedback is posted in that other universe. He’s like a ghost running screaming through the living room. It used to scare me but now I know the routine now and am used to it even if I don’t really understand it. It is only subliminally surreal.

  46. -What Squid wrote at 3:32, especially the end:

    Honestly, it’s difficult to tell who your intended audience is sometimes. The needling and insults would be more appropriate in a hostile setting; indeed, I fear that if you keep up these little experiments in rhetoric, you’ll find this environment growing more and more hostile.

    Good luck with your efforts. I hope you get the messaging and tone sorted out.

    -SteveAz wrote:

    …Form a sizeable group, and protest loudly in front of your kids’ schools, DEMANDING that the schools enact TOMORROW a thorough indoctrination of ALL American children in the basics of initiating civic-groups (ie. devising agendas, holding committee hearings, and allowing public input in public meetings). All with the goal of training 8-10-year olds in the art of resolving social problems with consensus delimited by the organization’s “mission-statement” and by its litigate-able governing bylaws (in our case, The Constitution).

    That is not ‘Civics’ as understood by those who think and act using Right Reason. It rings loudly of Leftist Activism.

    A proper Civics course would include learning about the structures of American governments at all levels and their different varieties [such as town meeting], readings of those who wrote the national and state constitutions and those who debated them, readings of those who inspired The Founders, Common Law, etc. – in other words: providing the students with a base of knowledge about The United States government.

  47. Beemoe,
    Been there – I hit Maggie’s Farm every morning. And Canadian blogs like Small Dead Animals and Cathy Shaidle’s “Five Feet of Fury” have been giving the Tornonto School District hell lately.

    (Bully for them! I’m of the opinion that Harper’s Canada may just save America’s bacon. Canada is leading us by example.)

    Closer to home in the American Southwest, though, we have our Deep Blue “gun-states” like Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada and California. Their citizens are arming-up, but, I’m not seeing any real civicpush-back.

    Merovign,
    You’re right again! It is at the conflicted creatures who elect the Blue in these states, but then comment in Red at sites like Jeff’s, that I aim my comments. My goal is to show them the error of their ways using standard polemical tactics I learned in high school debating class and educational sites like Jeff’s. I don’t agree with your about the futility of the exercise, though. The audience is not the, what, 3 or 5 crows lording over this thread…it is much, much larger than that.

  48. Bob,
    I trust you to design the alternative civics/history curriculum. Run with it.

    I’ll sign off on whatever you propose.

    Me? I think fifth graders should be practicing Robert’s Rules of Order on Fridays, right after their hour of American literature where they read Mark Twain or Nathaniel Hawthorne.

  49. Civics is not about teaching Robert’s Rules. Civics is about teaching Tocqueville’s Rules: the purposes and importance of joining those groups that use Robert’s Rules. We need to be teaching What and Why, not focusing on How. Otherwise you end up with a class of kids little different from the Cargo Cult tribes.

    I’d rather have 30 dedicated neighbors shouting over one another in their efforts to roll back the Leviathan state, than have 30 neighbors politely offering Points of Order regarding how best to maximize revenue from the proposed new speed trap on Oak Street.

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