Just like those who commit violent crimes with unregistered weapons — only without the “committed violent crimes” part. The opposite in fact: they keep their guns to protect themselves and their families against violent criminals who don’t much seem to care about gun control measures. Fairness!
But let’s not be too hard on the political class: to run a thriving police state, you need a steady supply of new criminals. Viewed from that perspective, laws that turn erstwhile law-abiding citizens into criminals with the stroke of a pen make perfect sense!
(h/t Pablo)
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update: as Charles points out, felons aren’t allowed to own guns. Or vote. Or associate with other known felons. Which means, we’re going to need some shovel ready gulags.
update 2: Alex Kauffman on Twitter suggests that Owens has misread the law. I’m off to wrestling practice. If anyone can clarify while I’m gone, add a note in the comments.
Side benefit, felons can’t own guns, associate with other known felons, or vote.
The awesome is just leaking out.
Cheer up. We may soon see an end to the hideous slaughter of fish: four rods and reels? You don’t need those — one per family should do. Besides, it’s good you learn to share.
Hmm…, why did they pick seven as the allowed number of rounds in a magazine?
I had tacitly figured is was simply that few such things exist. But then I’ve been known to underestimate legislative cunning before.
Geez. Do all these new felons even have a chance to flee the State? Or would attempting to leave been seen as evidence of having committed this new “crime??”
So New York might go from the third largest population to 4th or lower… This might be really good news for Florida.
See the updates.
I think Michigan can benefit from all this.
First Right to work stuff … now this. Sander Levin is the only one here making noises about gun control, but that’s because he’s stupid.
it’s not a good feeling knowing the only thing what protects people’s rights anymore is the capriciously perverse roberts court
how third world we’ve become, and so fast
don’t worry we have a wise latina on the roberts court
Here is the law.
I think Mr. Owens is correct.
I’m seeing something that says long guns aren’t considered firearms under NY law. That is apparently the basis by which Owens is purportedly wrong. Seems dopey, but then so is NY law.
geoff, I took a quick look at the bill itself, and I think Bob is correct also. The bill also redefines shotguns as “assault” weapons, providing the shotguns accept detachable magazines and have some sort of muzzle compensator/brake or forward handle. Also, semi-auto pistols are “assault” weapons, if the pistol has a detachable magazine and some sort of barrel shroud or forward handle. Seems to me the slide on a semi-auto could easily be considered a “shroud” according to the definition offered.
The NY laws website is down so I can’t confirm.
Why do I always have these little conversations in my head when it comes to these laws?
Police Chief: “Get the men out on the streets. We’re going to do a sweep and take all of those dangerous assault weapons away before someone gets hurt.”
Rank and File Officers: “No problem, sir. However, would you mind show us how it’s done? We’re a little rusty on the whole house to house taking away guns thing.”
I see it comes down to the definition of “firearm”.
“Firearms” as defined are all illegal weapons except for the ” any pistol or revolver” which would have to have a permit. Non-handguns, non-“assault rifles” which have legal length barrels and over all length are not “firearms”. Unless of course the head of the State Police decides they are “assault” weapons in which case said head can simply declare them banned.
Stroke of the pen, law of the State.
Here’s a bill that makes repeated references to “firearms, rifles, and shotguns.” so the critique may be right in that respect. Still, 3 handguns makes you a felon.
there’s a whole shitload of that state what’s filled with normal regular people
I think they’re getting the short end of the civil rights stick
orangeman
Being a fiscal conservative and a Republican is simply no longer possible. Pick one.
New update:
Texas Lege Looks at Molon Labe Law if Obama Pushes Gun Control
Well, they have to keep those prisons working once they start winding down the War on Drugs.
– The Texas legislature has already stated that if any Fed or other State officials try to enforce any new gun laws in Texas they will be arrested.
– This could get interesting.
I voted for 2001 Big Space Baby so don’t blame me
Alex Kauffman is saying on Twitter that there was no redefining, Blake.
this is one of those “you have to pass the bill to see what’s in it”
The Austin Mayor Lee Leffingwell who was passed off as a conservative pro business democrat that was right for Texas is talking about some local gun laws. He signed Bloombergs Mayors against guns thing as well. I might be moving to San Marcus soon.
The magic number held in magazines fitting John Moses Browning’s highest achievement.
New NRA Ad: Obama Is an “Elitist Hypocrite” (Video)
My first thought about seven was because that’s what a 1911 has, but it could it really be that simple? Of course a lot of 1911’s allow for more than seven rounds now.
This entire Lefty gun control episode, this reflexive spasmodic overreaction to Sandy Hook, is gonna backfire on them, just watch. You thought the TEA Party was huge? 2014 will now be a bonfire, and we’ll get to throw some deserving bastards on it.
i’ve heard that seven was picked because demonrats talked to the ghost of fdr and he found that worked for the price of gold
the house “leadership” needs primaried
Always bake 7 potatos in case a guest shows up
I’ll have to talk to my BIL about this one. He lives in upstate NY and his daughter is the county Sheriff.
Arresting your own dad could be problematic.
Cronos …Uranus….Zues..mmmnom mnnoom yom mmm
he always baked 7 potatoes he was a good person
is what people will say about you after you’re gone, provided you follow through on the potato agenda
Unless you’re Raylan Givens…
If I’m reading that correctly, it’s okay to possess three or more firearms so long as you you haven’t committed criminal possession in the fourth degree, whatever that is.
What’s the legal definition of possession?
For that matter, what consititutes 4th degree possession? Or 3rd? Or 2nd?
Saturday’s child is full of fries
It’s in there, I believe.
Ernst, that’s the first reason but there are 7 more that could cause it.
remember these laws are only for the lower classes
us dick gregory types aren’t affected
plus if you’re a thuggy thuggy corrupt NYPD piece of shit you also get a pass
so basically the law only affects food stampers
why do i always say dick gregory i mean david gregory
it must be cause he’s such a dickface
I will not beat off in the drive thru
Freedom Fries Motherfucker[Toots horn]]
New York’s New Gun Controls Make the PATRIOT Act Look Like a Model of Legislative Deliberation
#5(i) is the one under discussion. They all start with “or” not “and”.
What I can’t find is something under Article 400 which makes an exception for the licensed possession of 3 or more handguns except a place which is hard to make heads or tails of.
i keep seeing “machine-gun” in this so call law. where is that defined?
I’m no bakesd potato expert or nuttin
I would not want to be a pertater spert but… I fin d ..if u
stab em first
stab stab stab
then them evi l potato juices just…pphht-escape
then u talk to the tater and say…I’,m gonna infuse you
with a lb of bacon
a lb of bacon helps the medicine go down
boy. it does/howdy
it is time for civil disobedience. show up in dc and albany with a functional cardboard and metal “outlaw” magazine singing ” we will overcome some day. some guy says” punch back twice as hard”
Jeff,
http://open.nysenate.gov/legislation/bill/S1422-2013
The 3 guns and automatic (see what I did there?) felony may be open to interpretation. (Though, we are talking NY State, so, the law there is rather elastic and should be interpretted in the worst light, not the best) However, from what I read, the legislature removed the original section of the code that defined “assault” weapon and created a new definition.
Shotguns, if they had certain features, were probably already classified as “assault” weapons. It appears the legislature decided to allow fewer “assault” features before the shotgun becomes an classified as an “assault” weapon. Same goes for the AR platform.
I don’t know about anyone else, but kinda looks like a redefinition to me.
Okay, I did read it wrong. I thought they were laying out if 1 and (2 or 3 or 4 etc.) then. 4th degree gets bumped up the 3rd degree if the state has previously determined that you’re not a good person.
Crap, I need to read my original comments. Anyway, yeah, shotguns were already classified as assault weapons, I believe. The legislature redefined how many features, not whether or not a shotgun is indeed an assault weapon.
yea they get rid of it in ny. then on to making it illegal nationally. there is no “compromise” with fascists. civil disobedience it is. 10000s march into dc from va with “functional cardboard ‘david gregory magazines'”. hey nathan arrest us
It’s in there, I believe.
Yes it is. Thanks.
I guess the streets of Alphabet City and other gritty neighborhoods will be safe for one and all now that it’s all laid out like that. /s
nr, I think the time for demonstrating is long past. The TEA party was unable to derail Washington and the TEA party has some clout.
I think we’re down to watching and waiting.
A strangers baked potato that you haven’t buttered is just a friend you haven’t met..yet
if i was doing this march i’d be smashing curly light bulbs too. give them an “environmental clean up mess”
no. we are the counter culture now. act accordingly. street theatre it is with some “civil rights” songs thrown in for good measure. these clowns want to be “bull conner” i’ll be mlk
I think we’re down to watching and waiting.
And doing reconaissance.
your twice baked potatos do not impress me but your witty dialog makes me re-evaluate my cooking timetable
leigh, not to mention thinking through options.
pd, your avatar would make any guy re-evaluate his cooking timetable.
start 3d manufacturing of ar ‘david gregory magazines’ with the statement of “support the 2nd amendment” on it and send a 1000 every weekend into dc. give them cloward piven
a half cooked potato and clamp it on to something like
keys …or..
thinking through options.
No kidding Blake.
– At some point they’re going to have to do something about fries. You could put an eye out with one of those things.
quinn “i just saw a movie where the gov’t and military have weapons it is called: “schindlers list””
it would be really fun for peeps to dump plastic/cardboard “david gregory magazines” in dc with “support the 2nd amend” and “please recycle” printed on them.
A belt-feed exception?
– Apparently some of the Colorado shooting victims are not the least bit confused about who is to blame. It doesn’t seem to be guns in their minds.
Also, discharging magazines are very, very scary in a killy maimy sorta way.
Quinn reads here? I said that the other day.
French fries are oftened capatilized
French fries are served hot and generaly eaten as an accompiant with lunch or dinner. Frenchy fries are generally salted,and in their simples and most commion formthey are served with a dildo
quick… form I mafe a bad..sad.. thing
There is a mention of belt-fed machine guns in that piece, too Ernst.
you don’t need the spring thing just march on dc with the “springless david gregory magazine”. available in plastic or paper/cardboard. toss’em at the congress don’t hurt the jerk’s feelings. or deposit them at marion barry’s house
these are the kind of piggy piggy public pension whores what will get to have robust guns what go bang bang bang bang bang bang bang BANG while you are out of bullets and the bears are closing in
Potato for sale
KENT STATE SINGLE FRENCH FRY- MagicBullet
I saw something nasty in the woodshed
If the NY legislature had in mind creating a mockery of law writing, they’ve nearly outdone themselves with this doosey. Time was that State had a view to leading with dignity and foresight. Now? It’s a crumbling aggregation of dread.
“1. “Machine-gun” means a weapon of any description, irrespective of
size, by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which a number of
shots or bullets may be rapidly or automatically discharged from a
magazine with one continuous pull of the trigger and includes a
sub-machine gun.”
Okay. That makes a breakaway one shot hunting shotgun a machine gun. Because one trigger pull can (if loaded with buck or dove shot) release multiple shots or bullets.
SEMI-AUTOMATIC OR PUMP-ACTION RIFLE THAT HAS THE CAPACITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE
Wonder what they mean by “capacity” — an SKS has an integral, non-detachable 10-round magazine. They can be converted to accept AK (I think) magazines. I’d argue that, absent conversion, the gun cannot accept a detachable magazine, any moreso than a Honda Civic can ‘accept’ a turret.
But I’d argue that only from safety of Pennsylvania, mind you. We all know how lawyers are when it comes to Stupid Language Tricks.
Reading about all those outlawed guns has shown me that we have some deficiancies in the arsenal.
The one that burned in the tragic barn fire.
Ooh tragic. Was there a chorus? Catharsis? Did you win a goat?
by whatever name known, loaded or unloaded, from which a number of shots or bullets may be rapidly or automatically discharged from a magazine with one continuous pull of the trigger
Isn’t “one” generally considered by mathematicians (and everybody else) to be “a number”?
Whee! Now, according to the state of NY, I used to own machine guns. Before I accidentally dropped them, Terminator-like, into a crucible of molten iron.
Quite tragic, palaeo. Chorus complete with wailing, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments.
Wait. That was later. Nevermind.
– America has become a Monty Python skit on an endless loop.
this calls for an “outing” of “machine- gun” owners in new york via “press”
I am trying to figure out the “loaded or unloaded” bit.
The guys who wrote the law are idiots, which isn’t a surprise. I like how they are claiming that no one has lost any rights.
“beemoe says January 15, 2013 at 10:40 pm
I am trying to figure out the “loaded or unloaded” bit. ”
They don’t want you legally owning the “neodefined” machine-gun even if you have no ammo or no magazines for it.
Argument Clinic – Monty Python
This is the all purpose part.
One man can say any gun is an assault weapon. stroke of the pen.
throw ar cardboard/plastic magazines in their faces. do the time and eff the politician
criminalI don’t know if the New York State Constitution has any provision for a right to bear arms or not, so I cannot call this unconstitutional. It certainly is totalitarian, and it certainly violates the natural right to self-defense.
Some of these jokers have a notion that the Federal Constitution only protects sporting arms, which is, of course, stupid. The Federal Constitution, from both direct reading and from what the people who wrote it have written about it, protects a right to own and bear arms that are equivalent to what someone in the military has. The law from 1934 that heavily restricted ownership of automatic weapons, as well as all subsequent gun control measures, are in clear violation of the Constitution and should be struck down. We should all be able to own fully automatic rifles without any special taxation or permission from the government.
Allen West Takes New Media Job
at least the revolving door still works
nah throw cardboard like ar 15 magazines at eric holders office or baracky. given them some cloward/piven love
No, I’d be laughing then. :-/
“I had tacitly figured is was simply that few such things exist. ”
That was my first thought. Ban essentially all existing magazines, force owners to buy new magazines that are subject to registration.
“A belt-feed exception?”
Heh.
How about one of these?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_machine_gun
Canvas belt and water-cooled for maximum retro style points.
What I want to know is if Heller and/or McDonald carry any teeth in the same court that tried them. Or the US Constitution itself.
Because this mad bullshit is gonna end up there in about six seconds.
Apropos of nothing, but I made Obama, with a smile!
I don’t see any right to bear arms in the New York State Constitution.
http://www.dos.ny.gov/info/constitution.htm
How about a right to arm bears? That might solve the problem, as well.
That right was not for NY to decide.
Saw this Althouse quote on Instapundit:
[emphasis original]
If you own more than three guns, obviously, you’re in league with the devil. And you probably weigh the same as a duck too!
What an embarrassing and backward state New York is.
JHoward: Indeed. The 14th amendment would seem to preclude that by any state.
Also, though not mentioned in the state constitution, the New York Civil Rights Law does apparently provide for RKBA.
Good rundown here:
http://members.iquest.net/~petedrum/
From SBPs link:
So how do NY nannies not beclown themselves infringing the right of the people to keep and bear arms?
Further, why are not these people indicted for impeachment?
Because shut up is why.
He can “recommend” all he wants, and the House can “recommend” that he go fuck himself.
For any who don’t know GCA-68 was a momumental attack on the 2nd and was dead in committee until the RFK assassination. Within days it was voted out and passed.
All I want is one smartass legislative drone who’ll quietly insert a harmless little clause in these various proposals: “These provisions will take effect sixty days following the recovery of the last firearms provided to Mexican narcotics traffickers by the United States Department of Justice.”
Just one little clause. Is that so much to ask?
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/336633.php Some are starting to catch on.
From Wikipedia:
This is one of the problems with state constitutions: that they can be rewritten too easily.
As for New York State: the ‘right’ to bear arms is merely a law. Those who voted in favor of the new gun ownership restrictions would probably find some provision in the State’s Constitution as justification [probably some safety provision].
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_State_Constitutional_Convention
The NARWHAL and the whole of the Community Organizing bunch cometh.
The ‘leader’-furher, another of Woodrow Wilson’s legacies to the US by the way, who campaigns the people to ‘change’ the law for progress. Time can’t wait, change must be willed, and whose will is more indicative than the leaders?
Return to campaigning mode? I wasn’t aware he had ever left.
Well, charlesaustin, there was that extended intervening period of vacationing-mode.