January 13, 2013

Outlaw Gunsmithing [guest post by a former sniper and current pw reader]

Did you know that you can walk into a shop, plunk down $200, and walk out 20 minutes later with an AR15 lower receiver (or actually a completely finished rifle, if you have the scratch) that has no serial number, no FFL records, no government intervention, and it is all COMPLETELY LEGAL?

Welcome to the world of “Outlaw Gunsmithing.”

According the BATF website:

For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:

… (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm.

I am going to focus on the AR15 here, since these are the evil black assault rifles (EBARs) that everyone is so afraid of and that go out and cause people to commit mass murder sprees, whether they want to or not.

According to the BATF, the lower receiver of the AR15 is the gun. You can get lower receiver part kits, complete upper receivers, barrels, stocks, whatever you want, without anyone’s permission, and through the internet (at least you WERE able to before the panic buying). What you cannot do is to go online, pay some money and get a lower receiver. That requires going through an FFL.

Unless, you make it yourself.

I point you to the section quoted above:

Per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

In the case of an AR15, the lower receiver is the “firearm.” So, if you could just make an AR15 lower receiver yourself, you could keep it for personal use, as long as you did not sell or distribute it.

So, how do you make an AR15 lower receiver?

There are places that make castings of an AR15 lower receiver, then, say drill out the magazine well, leaving something that looks like this:

Upper80 Trigger80

Now, it is a bit hard to tell from the picture of the single receiver, but the area where the hammer, the trigger assembly, and the sear normally go is solid metal. Also note that there is no place for the trigger to exit the receiver. This is not a lower receiver, this is something known by the technical term “a chunk of aluminum” or, more colloquially, “a paperweight.” You may freely buy something like this with no restrictions. There is no possible way even the most idiot gun grabbing moron could call this a “gun.”

Now, the place where I bought this little beauty (for $135) is also a machine shop. For another $80, they will allow you to use their 3-axis CNC mill to do a little work on your paperweight. As it happens, they have a couple of nifty milling programs that will gut the inside of the receiver, cut a hole for the trigger, stuff like that. But, and this is the critical part, you are the person who pushes the button to work the machine. In total, I think you make three cuts to the receiver, and then you have to drill about 4 holes. At each step, there is an expert machinist there to help you, but you are the person who pushes the button to start the cutting, you are the person who works the drill press to drill the holes. When you are finished, the paperweight is indistinguishable from a commercial AR15 lower receiver, except, there are no identifying marks. This is what the finished lower receiver looks like:









This is how you make an AR15 lower receiver. The machine shop requires you to sign an affidavit stating that you are legally allowed to own a firearm, and they take a copy of your drivers license. However, all this is simply for the purpose of CYA. They do not report the information to the government, and when you are finished with the lower receiver, there are no markings on the thing and no but you and the machinist know you have it.

There are various other legal issues that apply here, and if there is enough interest, maybe I will try and get Jeff to let me post about those another time.

Take care,

Outlaw Gunner


addendum:  Sorry, forgot a couple of things.

The best way to find out about these sorts of services is to do a search on 80% receivers on bing. If you can’t find anything in your neighborhood, don’t panic. You can still make one of these things without access to a machine shop. Some people sell the 80% lower receivers, and they also sell a set of jigs that let you complete the lower on your own using only the jigs and a standard drill press.

Posted by Jeff G. @ 12:08pm

Comments (79)

  1. My dad, Los Angeles High School class of ’46, has told me that shop class saw kids making zip guns on the side.

  2. Darleen, don’t tell the twins that story or Gramps will be showing them the ropes.

  3. For those of you who don’t have a rifle like this yet, and aren’t on the government’s radar as far as guns go, I suggest that this is how you get one.

  4. Imagine what 3-d printing will be able to do someday.

  5. To add to what Cranky said, even if your EBR is already at the bottom of the lake, you might want to machine your own lower reciever. That way, if there were a confiscation/forced buy-back/mandatory registration, all you would have to recover from the bottom of the lake to stay in Gubmint’s good grace is the lower.

  6. The real point here, and one that I really didn’t cover well, is related to Darleen’s point. She talks about kids making zip guns. Zip guns suck. It is pretty hard to get the barrel machined correctly and the tolerances aren’t particularly good. However, there is an entire universe of better than military quality AR15 parts out there for the buying, but you need a lower receiver to attach them to. This is how you get the lower receiver. Then, you go on an internet shopping spree. At Amazon, if you want. I am pretty sure they sell upper receivers and most of the other components. Really, the lower receiver is the key to the whole thing. Once you have one (or two, or three, or four, or five), the rest is gravy.

  7. Zip guns are a one and done deal, at least from what I remember of my misspent youth.

  8. [T]he lower receiver is the key to the whole thing. Once you have one (or two, or three, or four, or five), the rest is gravy.

    Thought it bore repeating.

  9. If I had known about this earlier, I probably would have never bought any ready-made stripped lowers.

  10. where can you buy paper weights like that?

  11. “Ernst Schreiber says January 13, 2013 at 12:30 pm
    Imagine what 3-d printing will be able to do someday.”

    A CNC 5-axis mill can do it right now and then some. Yeah you need stock, tooling, lubricant. and it’s subtractive but taking a 3d model and making an object out of it no longer exotic.

    Here’s a Japanese company making a metal model/prototype for a motorcycle helmet out of an aluminum block.


  12. Another interesting thing is that this is not limited solely to AR15s. You can get 80% lowers for AR10s, Government Model .45 ACP, all kinds of guns. The sky is the limit. Most of these do not necessarily allow you to finish them in your garage with a drill press, though. On the other hand, some of the places I have read about have “build parties”, where they have people get together, and they have a “weapon of the day,” where they CNC machines are tuned to a particular kind of weapon. If you are serious about this sort of thing, it is probably worth it to consider buying an 80% lower mail-order, then take a trip somewhere you can get it machined.

  13. You can print aluminum?

    Is it transparent yet?

    (If I’m following you, you’re saying there are milling tools and computer programs that will take a block of aluminum and machine a lower reciever out if it for you, right?)

    Imagine there’s [a carbon nano-fiber (I heard about it on PBS!) high tech space age polymer lower reciever that you could dial up in your garage]

    it’s easy if you try

  14. http://rohgarms.com/ – AR15 stuff
    http://aresarmor.com/store/ – AR15 stuff
    http://www.philaord.com/ – Thompson, BAR, others
    http://www.cncguns.com/ – the site I first stumbled on that go me going down this path.

    Note that I have no firsthand knowledge of any of these places, be sure and investigate thoroughly before you shoot something.

  15. here’s another article on buying ar kits


  16. I just put on my Cap’n McCluskey thinkin cap, and it occurs to me that widespread promotion of outlaw gunsmithing might (might) serve a useful purpose in pushing back against the gun grabbers and Master Minds (well, maybe not the Master Minds). If awareness was widespread that banning or restricting possession, sale, and/or manufacture of so-called “assault rifles” was futile (as in go ahead and confiscate our EBRs –we’ll build our own!), it might curb their enthusiasm.

    Alternatively, it might push them in the opposite direction and lead to even more zealous efforts at controlling every activity people partake in: (ohmigod Evil Black Saturday Night Special Rifles!!!! WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!)

    And that too would be clarifying.

  17. Saturday Night Specials -did I just date myself, or what?

  18. It looks like even getting the 80% stuff isn’t as easy as I would like.

  19. Due to availability, not any other reason.

  20. Where do you live, Cranky?

  21. I’m in MN. I was just poking around online with the big boys, who appear to be sold out. I could probably find something local if I wanted to.

  22. “You can print aluminum?”

    I can’t, but the tech exists. Layering with powered sintered aluminum metallurgy works and is being played with mainly in making circuitry.

    But like I said, why worry about 3d printing ? Get some aluminum OR polymer stock if you prefer it since milling polymers is not difficult, and cut it down to what you need. You could also machine out a stamp or ‘cope and drag’ mold on a CNC mill and put your polymer resins or your molten aluminum in there and then use a mill to finish the surfaces to where your want them. Oe if there are legality problems then you can make some workpiece blanks like the “paperweight” shown in the article and sell those with a simple tooling that would help you position your drills and knockouts.

    Printing is not the important part. It’s just a way to prototype stuff. It’s the additive way of making something where you build stuff up with layer on layer of either fixed or removable support materials. It tends to be time consuming. Some forms of it requires a treatment to keep the final product from being brittle. Manufacturing a thing precisely from a shape is what is important.

  23. The machine shop requires you to sign an affidavit stating that you are legally allowed to own a firearm, and they take a copy of your drivers license. However, all this is simply for the purpose of CYA. They do not report the information to the government, and when you are finished with the lower receiver, there are no markings on the thing and no but you and the machinist know you have it.

    No, what they do, strictly for the purposes of CYA, is stick the affidavit and copy of your driver’s license in a filing cabinet. There it sits, until the day that DiFi’s little gun-grab becomes law, and the nice man from ATF knocks on the door and asks for that filing cabinet. At which point one of two things will happen, depending:

    1) Your machinist says, “Sure, Mr Jackbooted Thug, here you go, just don’t tase me, bro?”, and off those papers go to be compared to OpenSecrets.org for donations to the Democrat Party. If there’s no match, expect a visit.

    2) Your machinist says, “What filing cabinet?”, and ATF Agent Smith says, “Either the one with the affidavits, or the ones that show where all the quantities of “Alloy Suitable for Casting AR-15s” that you purchased ended up in something that wasn’t an AR15 blank lower.”

    Unless, of course, you give them other things to worry about after DiFi’s law passes.

  24. SDN sez:

    No, what they do, strictly for the purposes of CYA, is stick the affidavit and copy of your driver’s license in a filing cabinet. There it sits, until the day that DiFi’s little gun-grab becomes law, and the nice man from ATF knocks on the door and asks for that filing cabinet. At which point one of two things will happen, depending:
    1) Your machinist says, “Sure, Mr Jackbooted Thug, here you go, just don’t tase me, bro?”, and off those papers go to be compared to OpenSecrets.org for donations to the Democrat Party. If there’s no match, expect a visit.

    Outlaw Gunsmith replize:

    Fair enough. Then I will give them the machined lower that they are so desperately looking for, explaining that I never got around to actually building a rifle out of it, but was just worried by the panic. Meanwhile, the four other fully assembled rifles that are built from locally sourced parts that I paid cash for at a place different from the place I got the lower machined, are sitting somewhere not on this property. You only sign one affidavit, which doesn’t actually say how many lowers you machined.

    However, for the truly paranoid:
    1) Buy the 80% lower locally with cash. It is not a gun, it doesn’t require an affidavit, they have no idea who you are.
    2) Buy a tabletop drill press. Last I checked, they were $129 from Harbor Freight.
    3) Tell your mother/girlfriend/random stranger you want them to buy you:
    4) PROFIT!

    At that point, the level of checking that the government would have to exercise in order to track all these down becomes rather extreme. I am not saying that they won’t do it, but they are going to go after the guys with the registered guns first. Or, more likely (given that a large number of us are probably already on the books somewhere as having guns) they get your OTHER guns. Really, the main thing this is all about is making it so that they can never be sure that they got everything. I have a bunch of pistols, several rifles, and a couple of shotguns. I am not sure that even I remember all my guns. Some of them I have bought from friends, some of them I inherited when my brother died a couple of years ago, some of them I am making myself. At the end of the day, short of total and complete police state style of enforcement, they are not going to get all of them.

  25. And that, right there, was why I made my comment, OG. So people would realize that the paper trail needs to be obfuscated until it’s more trouble than the federales can afford to try to dig through it all.


  26. og

    thanks for the cncguns link. i like the idea of making your own gun. after machining out these pieces, is it just a matter of assembly?

  27. in 9th grade metal shop we melted aluminum and poured into molds. with algore’s invention, every body a maker not a taker

  28. Assembly of your own AR can be easy to more difficult, depending on what state you buy the parts in. You will probably need a good vise block for the lower to hold it when you put on the buffer tube and stock, as well as a few specialty wrenches. Assembling the rest of the lower parts is not too difficult.

    Assembling a good and safe upper is more difficult. You will need a vice block, and perhaps a tool to assemble the bolt and bolt carrier. You will also need to check the headspacing using special gauges. Then again, you can buy an upper that is already assembled and ready to be connected to a lower and shoot, though right now the parts are easier to come by because it takes time to assemble the parts and demand is very high.

  29. Being a gunsmith will come in right handy in the days to come.

  30. Assembling a good and safe upper is more difficult.

    what i like is that peeps are self organizing for demand. that paper weight ain’t hard to pour. yea final assembly may need qc but on algore’s highway no problem

  31. Being a gunsmith will

    making things that are useful. your “black/wymen/hispanic studies et al” don’t do dat

  32. Most of our tools are power tools. We might need another generator.

  33. We might need another generator.

    no a fed gov’t that is not into taking power

  34. OT, but Satch took second in Districts! He had a tough draw after a first-round bye: his first match, he beat the eventual #4 place finisher, and his second, the eventual #3 place finisher — the first 13-0 before a pin; the second 12-0. He lost in the championship bout to a kid whose hand control / tilts he couldn’t get out of after blowing a move and getting ridden the rest of the match. The bracket had 13 kids.

    Regionals are in 2 weeks. I’m assuming the top two finishers in each district will get a first round bye, but I’m not sure, could only be the champ. At any rate, I’ve decided it’s time to teach Satch a series, but I need to keep it relatively simple. So here’s what I’m thiking: He hasn’t been great at chopping from the top position into hand control — his breakdown is good, but he wasn’t trained (before I started coaching him on my own) to get a wrist, and it isn’t yet instinctual — so I’m planning on going to a spiral ride breakdown, which almost guarantees wrist control if done right. From there I’m going to have him work to flatten his opponent by grabbing and then driving over a two-on-one — most kids are expecting a tilt — then saddle, pinch the hips and apply a bit of chest pressure, release one hand to go over the shoulder for a chicken wing, and either finish by a getting a double chicken wing and circling, or with a chicken wing / half, then pulling out the chicken wing.

    I’d prefer the former because there’s little hope of getting out of it. Plus it looks cool: you finish posted on your own head and with a step-over, and it’s not terribly comfortable on your opponent, so they tend to struggle less.

    For those of you who’ve had youth wrestlers, does this sound reasonable?

    Excited for him. He still has to work on his takedowns — IMO, dubious coaching early on, coupled with nearly always being trapped face down after a short, slow double leg shot, has made many kids on the team hesitant to shoot — but he does seem to be getting better about getting and finishing snatch singles, so I’ll continue to nurture that. He pretty much ignores the hand switch and lift technique, but at least he keeps his head inside, and most of the time he’s able to finish well.

    He’s already getting good at setting up his (right now) signature move, the Twister, from the feet and off a sprawl, though there’s some fine tuning to be done. Essentially, it’s a begins with a front headlock / underhook or overhook and shuck down, then a second shuck to get the opponent even more onto his hands and knees and extended. Then from a headlock, overhook position, you tripod up, extend the captured arm, peak under the opponent’s armpit, then hit a hip heist to roll your opponent and a second hip heist to wind up in nearfall or pin position.

    You can seem him pull off a couple here if you’re interested, first against the 3rd place winner: http://youtu.be/T7Lb46DzW0c

    …and her against the 4th place winner for the pin: http://youtu.be/7fItSUv9hzU

  35. sumpin bout a truck in a farmers field a no trespass sign n time 2 keel

  36. maybe but concerned dad trying to help the kid. me move on and find what the kid finds interesting. from experience

  37. carving out ar stuff is cheap and useful. do they still teach “machine shop” in the 8th grade?

  38. What do you mean? He likes wrestling, especially now that he’s having success. And he really wants to master the double chicken wing. Beyond that, he plays Mind Craft, watches goofy TV shows, goes to Scouts (he built a tool box this weekend after the tournament), and plays with Legos and RC helicopters when he isn’t out with his friends.

    Plus he’s a stellar big brother.

  39. What do you mean? He likes wrestling, especially now that he’s having success

    learning how to mill out a ar receiver and assemble it might be a fun son/dad thing? but, i don’t know this. good luck to you. me projection on what might have been.

  40. Well, he’s been building stuff in Scouts, and he loves building with Legos, etc. I think I’m going to find him a vintage erector set with a motor. Frankly, he’s better at that stuff than I am.

    As for dad and son stuff, aside from the wrestling, we shoot rifles, hand guns, BB guns, compound bows and cross bows. We also play board games (Connect Four, Monopoly, Clue, Stratego, Battleship) and watch certain shows together. He likes Castle and Duck Dynasty and Only in America with Larry the Cable Guy, and b/c his mother won’t watch horror movies, he’s generally my horror movie partner. We also share walkie talkies, mostly to plan practical jokes on Mom.

    So far we have a great relationship. Knock wood.

  41. saw ma today. hard to do a conversation with when the last 2 mins are confused. “: À la recherche du temps perdu”

  42. For anyone contemplating putting their own together from parts (which is not needed, in my opinion. Other than the lower receiver, you can get fully completed uppers for less than the price of the individual parts, and it can be a bit tricky to get headspacing and such right.), here is a link to complete instructions:


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  44. As far as expedient firearms, google p.a. luty

    as far as worrying about confiscation; don’t bother.

    They are not stupid. They will use the knowledge of a manufacturers public presence and intimidate THEM.

    There will either be a requirement for registration to purchase ammunition AND/OR limitations, taxes and requirements to raise the price of ammunition.

    2nd line of attack will be public (and even some private) gun ranges, use of firearms out doors etc.

    Even the seemingly mild case of requiring prosecution for anyone who is denied a firearm purchase due to FBI background check will also be used to stifle legal owners. (there are many reasons to be denied clearance. Some may be paperwork error and some may be an old case that appeared resolved and not relevant but turns out it is. There are people who have been prosecuted contrary to reports for being denied due to status.)

    Any infringement, with the exception of an ex-felon (and even then that’s depending on their crime in my view), is a violation as far as I am concerned.

    Do not be lulled into going along with “reasonable” restrictions bullshit just because they don’t decide to confiscate or universal register.

  45. Sounds like you could put together a rifle from scratch, but it would be fairly expensive. Plus, just shop around for AR15 barrels. Lots of them are sold out-no backorder.

  46. Jeff, way to go Satch!

    You should get him a copy of The Dangerous Book for Boys. It shows all about knots, building shelters and fires, fun things to do around the house, plus practical stuff like How to Paint a Door, write a letter and the like.

    Erector sets are few and far between. I looked for years and finally gave up.

  47. Lots of everything is sold out, no backorder. It’s going to be a while before things settle down and get back to normal.

  48. If people are interested, I can probably come up with some number (say, less than 20) of 80% lowers by buying locally. The place I am thinking of gives preference to someone who walks in with cash. If there is enough interest, we might be able to set something up, as long as I can figure a way to avoid having my name splashed all over the internet.

  49. Hope that’s not too big of an assumption, Pablo. Back to normal, that is.

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  51. FWIW, my Local Gun Shop’s introductory classes are booked up through the end of February. That represents a lot of people who A) didn’t carry ’til now, and B) are smart enough to spend the time and money on Firearms 101.

    When I’m ready to give in to fits of despair, y’all will remind me of this, right?

  52. If I was doing this, I would put a Maker Name (even if not my name) and Serial Number (00001, say) on it.

    Not because it’s Legally Reequired (it isn’t), but because local police might not know it’s not legally required. And having a maker’s mark and S/N on it prevents having to convince them you’re not a gun running smuggling felon…

    For double bonus CYA points, mark it “not for resale”, to demonstrate that notionally It Wasn’t Made For Interstate Commerce.

  53. I don’t see what they’re going to be able to get passed, Red, and despite his dreams of Kinghood, there’s damned little Obama can do by EO regarding availability of this, that or the other. Once the news cycle changes and the manufacturers have a chance to get caught up, things won’t be so scarce. But again, that’s going to be a while.

  54. I’m hoping it’s a news cycle item, Pablo, but it sure feels different. That man knows no bounds.

  55. That man knows no bounds.

    Nor, it seems, can be taught them.

  56. OG – where are you based – what’s “Local”? (Within 100 miles or so – don’t want to give the game away)

    I’m kinda-sorta intrigued by the whole idea, although I’d prefer a home-made cold-forged M1A receiver or two. Trouble is, I’m real clumsy and it wouldn’t surprise me if even these lowers, as were to end up the victims in a tragic boating accident.

  57. And while I’m logged on, I was thinking of a cunning plan, currently legal. The issue I’m still trying to get my head around is how to make a few bucks out of it.

    You hit a site that tells you that in order to maintain your privacy, you should always use TOR’s or some equivalent anonymization software. The site records NOTHING except your username and password pair. Users are encouraged to get anonymous before they come back.

    They return, hopefully anonymously, and hit the signup page. Identify your state of residence, and pick a username and password. The site records JUST the username and password pair. No password resets are possible – the site doesn’t know any way to contact you back. The site takes you into your State forum – it’s the only place you can visit, because you can’t sell across state lines, and I wouldn’t want to facilitate that kind of transaction.

    Private messaging, plus postings of buyers seeking seller for anything you would legally be permitted to sell under your state’s laws. There will be a number of methods that buyers can talk to sellers before the sale, but ultimately, the two are going to need to take whatever precautions they need to stay anonymous-enough.

    Possibly, seller leaves a message for potential buyer to come onto the chat system at 8 Eastern and ‘page’ the seller. They chat in a channel limited to two participants, again, via a TOR session. They decide the other guy isn’t a fed (why would it be? it’s a legal sale), and figure out how to meet. Offers and asks expire after 30 days of posting or after a cancellation by the seller or buyer respectively.

    The site itself doesn’t track identities. If the hosting firm is subpoenaed, behind my back, all they can get is bogus IP Addresses. I’m not a dealer, because the identities of the participants are unknown to me too. I have no editorial involvement.

    So, aside from ads for sgammo, luckygunner etc, I can’t see how exactly I can make any money out of this, but on the other hand, current events make me want to do it just to be an OUTLAW. Which is how I’d be painted.

  58. Nor, it seems, can be taught them.

    If he tries something out of his grasp on this one, it will be where he learns about them.

  59. Though this may be one mince too far, still, I reckon he’d only learn the potential consequences, rather than to think he’d be capable of recounting how the limits stand and work. But this is a function of my view of his imbecility and arrogance.

  60. And this is where the establishment repubs go wrong, sdferr. They think that he is just another dem with whom they can negotiate. This man Does. Not. Negotiate. He operates purely on ideology (!) and is not the typical pol. And it works for him. He does not react to the usual stimuli and give and take of politics. He didn’t even negotiate the debt ceiling deal; his stand-ins did.
    That’s why I fear this 2d Amendment “debate.” With so much within his and their grasp, I don’t see them backing off. I said it early on – these guys are all in. Never have the stars aligned like this for the progressive movement. Incrementalism is yesterday’s play book.

  61. Incrementalism is yesterday’s play book.

    Yes it is, Red. My husband is very upset about this and he doesn’t scare.

    He’s like Omar from The Wire (without the gay bizness and the drug dealing).

  62. With so much within his and their grasp, I don’t see them backing off. I said it early on – these guys are all in. Never have the stars aligned like this for the progressive movement. Incrementalism is yesterday’s play book.

    Good. He’ll overreach and get his arm chopped off.

  63. I am in Southern California. As far as making money off of your site idea, look into bitcoin. It is a way of transferring money that is completely secure, with neither side able to discover anything about the other. Have people pay a certain amount in bitcoin per month to use the site (Currently, one bitcoin dollar sells for about $10 US, so charge 1.5 bitcoin dollars a month or something.)

  64. I don’t need an M1A. I have had one for 30 someodd years….:-)

  65. I need a Garand-type delayed blowback action semi auto rifle to cost what a pump shotgun cost –before the Great Great Panic of 2012.

    Nobody cares about protecting affordable access to semi-automatic rifles. [*sniff*]

  66. You’ll never see those prices again, Ernst. They’re only available for the well connected.

    OG – quick ‘professional’ question. Assuming that we’re ever allowed to own anything more ‘bangy’ than a Ruger 10/22, what’s your view on the Springfield M1A vs a civilian rig from someone like Smith Enterprises.

    Assuming I want a reliable gun that performs better than I’ll ever be able to shoot, and I’m not planning on going NM, is there really any benefit in paying out the extra?

  67. What makes you think our would-be benefactors will allow you to keep a “gateway” assault-weapon like the Ruger 10/22?

  68. Especially with those high-capacity 25-round mags.

    Insanity. Take a look at this (sfw, unless you work for the Brady Campaign)

    Oh noez!

    Any idea how many airsoft bb’s you can pack in one of their mags? Madness. MADNESS I tell you.

  69. Madness. MADNESS I tell you.

    Those things are evil like candy cigarettes!


  70. Good. He’ll overreach and get his arm chopped off.

    Gosh, Ernst, I hope so. But his entire presidency has been one of overreach. I can’t think of a single time that he’s been slapped down. The 2010 elections were a self-admitted “shellacking” and what did he do? He doubled down and got re-elected.

    Forgive the Godwinization, but a certain leader taking the Ruhr, the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, etc., made that leader fairly confident that Sept. 1, 1939 would not be an overreach.

    I hope the 2d Amendment makes out better than Poland.

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    There is definitely more of an interest in firearms even with a lot of the political crap that’s been going on. For those that are interested, there are a great deal of resources out there that will help you learn how to do customization/modification/etc. of guns, but I’d definitely suggest going through professional gunsmithing courses instead of trying to follow a guide online. Working with firearms is a risky business and if you do mess up then you could cause a great deal more harm than good. You do not need to learn how to be a master gunsmith but basic training can be extremely helpful when you’re talking about doing anything to a gun.