December 29, 2012

A reminder for Dianne Feinstein, and any other Congress person intent on disarming us

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”   

– Thomas Jefferson

Believe it or not, many of us still know this.  And we aren’t into losing more slowly.

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 10:30am
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  1. Yes, but they lived in different times! Now we have border violence, decaying cities, spoiled rotten citizens, an ostrich-in-the-sand media, and an out-of-control, Orwellian government. So get rid of that “For hunting only” musket!

    If now isn’t the time to give up time cherished values and prepare for the super sized world peace that’s coming, when is?

  2. our failshit government and the pigs that work for it

    they do not know fear

    they would need to be taught

  3. “The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their fall by doing so.”

    -That one Nazi dude

  4. Speaking of twisted metal and stuff, here’s where I ended an otherwise fine Christmas holiday: 41.456622, -112.055633.

    Inexplicable stoppage in the southbound lanes, and then the car ahead of me, the car behind me, and I all stopped safely without collision. The next three cars did not.

    I had chosen yesterday to drive to SLC from Boise because the roads were dry and there were no storms. Thursday, there had been a huge pile-up near Twin Falls on I-84 involving fog and jacked semis and six hours of closed freeway, so I dodged that IED only to hit a bullet.

    Except for an impressive bruise just below my knee (where it hit the steering column) and some sore muscles, I’m fine. I was belted in and my headrest was nice and cushy. Luckily, there’s a port of entry 1/2 mile south of where we were, and my rear wheelwells didn’t collapse, so I could drive there for the cops and EMTs to process the scene.

    Four of the six cars involved had to be carted off on flatbeds. The car ahead of me got only a few abrasions on her rear bumper. I recall three bone-crunching collisions from behind. It pissed me off more than frightened me. I wasn’t even shook up, on account of I could exit the car safely and tromp around, and most everyone else could, too. (Had I been busted up, and they had to pry me out with a crowbar, sandwiched betwixt 18-wheelers, then I’d be pretty panicked.)

    Had this accident occurred in the summer (1715 hrs), I’d have been able to drive home, but since all my rear lights were gone, and the sun sets at 5:06 pm at this latitude, I had to get flatbedded out of there, too, lest I be cited for driving sans lights. Took the tow truck two tries and 90 minutes to find me (no, you have to go IN where the trucks go). Good thing the motor works and I had an electric blanket (plugs into the lighter) because it was about 21° outside.

    Anyway, just a friendly reminder to always wear your seat belt and to always leave one car length per 10 mph that you’re traveling, even on dry roads.

    Photos follow, but first, some chickens:

    Damage to car

    Damage to leg

    Rear of vehicle just behind me

    What fell off the rear

    There are three more photos in the photostream showing the damage, taken at the port of entry where we convened.

  5. boise! did u have fun?

  6. that’s terrifying btw what happened

  7. i don’t understand this “ports of entry” concept… i’ve seen a few signs but i’m not sure how this affects me as an individual

  8. Feets: what happened is in my long message. Rear-ender, basically.

    I was near Boise, actually. Mostly I sat around and slept and watched Firefly on the DVR (one of the cable channels had a marathon) and tried to avoid eating too many carbs & sugars. Over Christmas. Great time to go on the steak and salad diet, but I’d lost six pounds in a week, so keep going, right?

    Oh, and I saw Les Miseràbles. Lots of realism regarding how filthy the Paris streets were. (God bless America!) And it’s too bad they didn’t cast all the leading roles with real singers. But overall, worth seeing. I usually hate the all-singing musicals because the plot trajectory is too vague; as a movie, it was easier to see what was happening and to make out the words.

  9. i don’t understand this “ports of entry” concept… i’ve seen a few signs but i’m not sure how this affects me as an individual

    It’s where the big trucks go in to be weighed after crossing state lines. As an individual, it affects you only insofar as you drive truck.

  10. Also, if you want to cast a despicable, unbearably awful human being, Sacha Baron Cohen is your man.

  11. i want to see miz when i get home… and hobbits again

    oh. got it about the trucks most states just call it a “weigh station” i think

  12. “ports of entry”

    the seas will protect us /slippey slope

  13. oh. got it about the trucks most states just call it a “weigh station” i think

    And yet, the Utah-shaped brick sign in front of which I was parked while awaiting a tow was called the “Perry Port of Entry,” and if you pop that term into Google Maps it shows you the wrong place for it.

  14. “the seas will protect us /slippey slope”

    Or concept of “Sea” comes to us from an ancient greek word ‘Thalassa’ which means “that vast dampness which fucketh over all enemies and maketh the spear and arrow as useless as Hero’s stupid little steam engine thing or those goofy novelty antikythera things we throw over the sides of our boats when we get drunk on Etruscan wine.”

  15. Or concept-> Our concept

  16. Glad you’re (relatively) okay, dicentra.

  17. the seas will protect us

    2996 people were not available for comment

  18. Ouch, di! I’m glad only your car got hurt.

  19. There are SO many ways a freeway accident (75 mph) can be pure terror. Those tailgating morons who hit us weren’t going 75 at impact, and the car ahead of me was just a sedan, with no one ahead of it, so there was no chance of pancaking between big vehicles.

    No ice, no fog, no rain or snow. And still…

  20. yikes, di!!

    Glad you’re all right!!

  21. I was in an accident last month. There I am, sitting at the red light minding my own business and a guy comes flying up behind me and wham! He did more damage to his truck than to mine (vintage 1987). I ended up with a new bumper and he got points on his license for inattentive driving.

    Same deal as you; nice clear, dry day. Well marked lanes and everyone else paying attention except this guy.

  22. On the phone, right? Texting?

    People are such morons.

    Frankly, I incurred a greater injury earlier that day: while collapsing the stupid handle on my suitcase, I pinched my wee little pinkie and got me a right fine blood blister on it.

  23. Just how many Americans are you willing to murder or imprison to bring about your gun-free utopia, Slappy?

    Be specific.

  24. Whoops, wrong thread. Multiple browser tabs are not always a good thing.

  25. I don’t care who you are, these wobbly birds are hilarious.

  26. Yup. On the phone and with a small child in the truck. Also, no seatbelts.

    I was fearful for the kid, but he was okay, just a little shaken up and then thrilled at seeing cops in uniform coming to take an accident report.

  27. Facebook is running an across-the-board PURGE of pro-gun accounts. A huge number of accounts are all being systematically disabled or suspended, with all content being wiped clean.

    We have entered the era of the Ministry of Truth from George Orwell’s 1984 novel. And while Facebook assaults the First Amendment in America, Senator Feinstein is busy assaulting the Second.

  28. Tyranny requires cooperation from the subjects. Facebook is a good corporate subject.

  29. And while Facebook assaults the First Amendment in America,

    facebook isn’t the fed gov’t. yet.

  30. I dumped Facebook the night of the election. Just felt like the right time to walk away from it.

  31. I heard Mike Adams talk about this on Coast-to-Coast, and I was with him while I thought he was talking about the left-wing intolerance that infests Facebook and other social media.

    But then he veered into Bigger Conspiracies and how THEY are shutting down 9/11 Truthers and other Reasonable Questions About Stuff.

    Besides, Facebook is full of spiders. That’s why I’m not on it.

  32. What else would they do. Facebook helped Obama find those “persuadable” LIVs. Wouldn’t do to have them come across some info now would it?

  33. So now that Facebook’s found ‘em, they’re going to keep ‘em that way?

    How Democratic.

  34. the jew thing is on the prop 8 wikipedia page

  35. yeah there’s a very real sense in which my previous comment could be construed as being on the wrong thread i think

  36. I’m still seeing plenty of pro-gun stuff on Facebook at the moment.

  37. I’ll never dump Facebook, because I’ll never be on it.

  38. the jew thing is on the prop 8 wikipedia page

    that may be a problem pat buchanan

  39. Thomas Jefferson sounds extreme. A lot of people consider him to be a radical. (did it work?)

  40. Still waiting for an answer, Slappy.

    Just how many Americans are you willing to murder or imprison to bring about your gun-free utopia?

    Be specific.

  41. Thomas Jefferson sounds extreme.

    full proggtard is EXTREME

  42. full proggtard is the EXETREME way of being stupid.
    also totalitarian is EXETREME!!11!! ax pol pot?

  43. The way Facebook keeps fucking around with Facebook I’m not sure that they even want people to be on it. They love messing up the interface worse and worse and having it bug more and more people when you do anything. I liked some of the people I talked to on there but the suck outweighed the fun by a pretty huge margin. If I was a stockholder who bought that overpriced plunging stock I’d be pissed and in the mood to sue.

  44. If it weren’t for non-techie (and elderly, in some cases) family members who live far away, I’d be gone as well. It’s a good place to catch up with everyone at this time of year, though.

    That’s how I know that people aren’t getting kicked off for posting pro-gun stuff, at least not in my family. Heh.

  45. Just how many Americans are you willing to murder or imprison to bring about your gun-free utopia?
    Be specific.

    Murder??? No one, of course. Imprison? None, unless they break the law. In which case, as many as are criminal (and owning certain weapons may make you a criminal).

  46. None, unless they break the law.

    eff proggtard “law”

  47. “In which case, as many as are criminal (and owning certain weapons may make you a criminal).”

    So, tens of millions then? 50 million? 100 million>

    Just as a data point, there are something like 40,000 legally registered guns in New York City, and an estimated 2 million illegal ones.

    How are you going to find them? House-to-house searches?

    Be specific, Slaphead.

  48. slipperyslope says December 29, 2012 at 9:33 pm
    Just how many Americans are you willing to murder or imprison to bring about your gun-free utopia?
    Be specific.

    Murder??? No one, of course

    Spoken like a real Stalinist.

  49. there’s a straw man at the base of the slippey slope

  50. Funny (ironic not ha-ha) that the left is so selective of quoting Jefferson (can you say seperation of state and religion? well then that’s all we need to hear about Thomas Jefferson so shut up raaacist).

  51. Jefferson had slaves! Marx didn’t have ‘em so he’s cool though.

  52. And Stalin didn’t murder anyone. He just doled out justice at a record pace.

  53. None, unless they break the law.

    With a bazillion pages in the U.S. penal code, we’re all breaking one law or another.

    Anyone with a vindictive streak could find out which law or regulation YOU’RE breaking, slopeyslip.

  54. Murder??? No one, of course.

    The killing of anyone for exercising a natural right is murder. I intend to exercise such right. Would you kill me to prevent that, murderer?

    Pack a lunch, and make it something I’ll enjoy is my advice.

  55. If they become illegal as semi-autos, my guess is they will soon be full-auto

  56. The killing of anyone for exercising a natural right is murder. I intend to exercise such right. Would you kill me to prevent that, murderer?

    I say, “Murder??? No one, of course?” And you say, “Killing of anyone for exercising a natural right is murder.” Which means you can’t read.

    How are you going to find them? House-to-house searches?
    Be specific, Slaphead.

    Nah, when the cops arrest someone for drunk driving, or fighting, or any of the shit people get arrested for, you just tack 5 years mandatory onto their sentence for being in possession of a firearm. If you make the penalties severe enough, it will deter people from being anywhere near them. Or, it will get them locked up for so long that they’re out of circulation anyways.

    Just as a data point, there are something like 40,000 legally registered guns in New York City, and an estimated 2 million illegal ones.

    NY needs to quit coddling criminals. The penalty for not registering your guns is a joke. 5 year minimum sentence.

  57. Nah, when [X happens] you just [do this clever thing you guys never thought of]. If you make the penalties severe enough, it will deter people.

    When o when will you wingnuts learn that your anxieties will all go away if you just Assume The Pose Of The Clever Folk. Just come up with something that is NOT OBVIOUS TO THE AVERAGE FARMER WITH MANURE ON HIS BOOTS AND HIS ARM UP A COW’S ANUS and all the bad things will go away.

    If only you’d stop with your wingnuttery and put us in charge. I mean really…

  58. Sure slippery. It worked real good for pot, liquor, and other contraband. You guys aren’t like all the other assholes who came before you and fucked up doing this same shit. You’re new and magical. Of course so were they.

  59. “Which means you can’t read.”

    No it means you can’t understand an argument or its externalities or history. Because you are all about the bullshit.

  60. What’s the penalty for murder. How well does it deter murderers again? Oh right you think I want to repeal the murder laws and that they have zero effect. Because that’s the lowest hanging strawman in easy reach. Oh and Red Dawn too. (That movie sucked by the way. ) Because that’s totally funny in a lazy-clever sense. And guns are just small dick enhancers and we all play too much Call of Duty n’ shit.

    I think this will end up finally fucking the democrat party over. Please continue. Show them who you really are again. Nudge our 47% up a bit. Go on!

  61. I think it’s funny that now we worry about civilians having weapons equivalent to military weapons.

    In the 1880′s the us soldier was still using a trapdoor breech loader heavily based on their old mini-ball firing caplock that replaced the old old matchlocks around the civil war.

    At the same time, the lowly cowboys were already carrying lever operated repeaters to provide security on the last cattle drives (which soon gave way to on site slaughter and butchering, freezing in an ice house, and shipping in refrigerated train cars. The onsite slaughter and butchering was thought to have inspired the idea of the production assembly line ).

  62. “Nah, when the cops arrest someone for drunk driving, or fighting, or any of the shit people get arrested for,”

    Most people never get arrested for anything, dumbass. Planning on a lot more “routine arrests” are you? Not to mention that getting arrested for drunk driving or fighting doesn’t generally give the cops the right to search your home.

    What happens when five years doesn’t work? Death penalty?

    People aren’t going to obey your fucktarded law, Slaphead. They don’t obey such laws even in “progressive” enclaves like NYC. Now what?

    What, you think that the folks who have been busy cleaning out every gun dealer in the country are going to hand all that stuff over for confiscation just because Obama says so?

    Of the bizarre notions in the “progressive” mind, the idea that just “passing a law” automatically leads to the desired outcome is at the top. Laws only work when most of those to whom they apply agree that they are just, or at least tolerable. As Mr. Heinlein once put it, if they find a law tolerable, they tolerate it. If they don’t, they break it.

  63. Slippy, what makes you think you can build or pay for enough jails to imprison the numbers you’re talking about?

  64. Labor camps are cheap, SDN, particularly when you don’t even bother to feed them.

  65. Ahhhh, our words, they are mangled for a purpose!

    One of the tools of the trade in propaganda is the careful selection of words for association with “goodness” and “badness” as the propagandist wants them to be perceived. This extends even into inventing words — which one then gets to define — to do that job, but also employs a sort of “word hijacking,” where the propagandist casts a word in such a way that it emphasizes one possible meaning in preference over the others.

    And the word “assault” is a perfect candidate for that. So rather than use the current “bad word du jour,” I will prefer the term “assailant weapon” to highlight the propagandist’s art.

    But I didn’t start out planning to fix the lexicon of weaponry, since that’s not the basic problem. Slavery is the problem. Subjugation is the problem. Helplessness is the problem. …

    The guns aren’t new. Our most modern musketry is way older than this new fangled cultural problem you’ve got.

    What’s new is the chronic, systemic, possibly endemic cultural framework that produces only the most modern psychotics.

    I’m starting to wonder if entrusting you mental health “professionals” with our kids is such a good idea. It looks like you’re doing it wrong.

    So, for all you pro-totalitarians, I see you out there. I see what you’re doing with the words. I see you trying to sell your gun-hating fads and hysteria.

    And for you head doctors, I’m thinking you need to get your shit together or get the hell out of our schools. Your failures are starting to get expensive — well, that is if you believe a child’s life is worth anything.

    I’ll take my old-fashioned “modern” musketry and my old-fashioned culture of personal responsibility, thank you very much.

    And I’ll thank you to quit wrecking our kids and blaming it on the hardware.

  66. Nah, when the cops arrest someone for drunk driving, or fighting, or any of the shit people get arrested for, being in possession of a firearm IF they are felons, in the process of committing a felony, are using their firearm in an illegal way (ie, gangbanging or drug use or selling, or any situation in that the firearm might aid in their illegal activity) you just tack 10 years mandatory onto their sentence.

    Fixed that for the slip’tard, for to better fit our existing Constitutional parameters.

  67. No it means you can’t understand an argument or its externalities or history. Because you are all about the bullshit.

    Also, a very dim bulb. A dullard. A simpleton.

  68. The NRA back in ’94 argued for “use a gun, go to prison” as a more effective alternative to the AWB. The gun-grabbers refused to consider it.

  69. The gun crime most people are upset about is murder, right? And most murders already have pretty severe penalaties, death penalty, life or most of your life in prison, so you can’t really “tack anything on” to it.

    So the only real deterent is obviously to lower the penalties if you kill my some means other than a gun. If you stab or bludgeon or strangle someone you get a slap on the wrist. That should drive gun violence way down.

    And Cranky Cudgel stock way up, if you get my drift.

  70. When smothering pillows are outlawed, only outlaws will have smothering pillows.

  71. slipperyslope says December 29, 2012 at 10:50 pm

    Fuck off.

  72. I hope Spies is working on an update to his trollhammer script. I tried to figure it out once and modify it to fit the new template, but did not understand all of what was happening, so my changes didn’t work right.

    The comments are becoming slipshod’s playground, and I need to avoid that one way or another.

  73. Also, a very dim bulb. A dullard. A simpleton.

    One can forgive a great deal for the sake of wit. Alas for poor slipperynappy, he is quite literally witless.

    At least he knows what to ask Santa for next Christmas.

  74. The Gun Ban Song“, to the tune of roasting slippery’s chestnuts over an open pit fire… )

  75. At least he knows what to ask Santa for next Christmas.

    A pair of nice googles so he can safely eat dinner with a fork?

  76. Robert Bernat: A Reluctant Vote in Favor of Armed School Guards

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324669104578203353922899758.html

  77. That guy doing the pro-gun songs is pretty cool. I expect someone will go after him for using copyrighted melodies without permission toot sweet.

  78. Parody, a likely source of pro- bono (gun lobbyists) help, and fairly shallow pockets might keep him relatively safe from more than a CAD or two.

  79. “You Know You’re a GUN CONTROL HYPOCRITE IF….”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6-FtsnIFsc

  80. Chuck Woolery on Assault Weapons

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evEg1VNfX3o

  81. WHY does anyone NEED an ASSAULT RIFLE ?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3uLTnzs60

  82. WHY does anyone NEED an ASSAULT RIFLE ?

    Why does anyone need a sports car? Or an SUV? Why can’t everyone buy their suits off the rack at JC Penny? Why does the grocery store have to have a whole aisle dedicated to different varieties and brands of sliced bread? Why does Baskin Robbins offer 31 flavors instead of 30 or 32?

  83. Why do wingnuts hate sliced bread?

  84. Why indeed?

  85. I just came home from grocery shopping and there is a distinct lack of variety in cold cuts available here in Flyover Country. Fucking capitalist pig grocers refuse to sell capicola and mortadella even though I am the only one who buys them. Yet they stock umpteen kinds of bologna, ham and turkey.

    I got rights too!

  86. We don’t take kindly to folks what spell baloney balogna in these here parts.

  87. damn

    tripped on my own joke

  88. That’ll teach ya. Just make your jokes in Latin or German.

    Of course, no one will get it except you and sdferr. Me, I do the plattdeutsch since the family were from the Schwartzwald.

  89. “Ernst Schreiber says December 30, 2012 at 2:44 pm
    We don’t take kindly to folks what spell baloney balogna in these here parts.”

    Argue with the package man.

  90. Seen on Ace: “About that gun law enforcement thing…[Purp]”

    http://minx.cc/?post=336126

    Essentially the scam is : ‘ We aren’t doing our jobs and enforcing our existing laws in order to motivate you sheep to become predisposed to give us even more power by demanding more laws. Then we can not use THAT new power effectively either to motivate you to give us even more power and resources. How’s that feedback loop work for you? ‘

    look at minor problem -> change law -> ignore law and if possible make problem worse ->use unrest to change law again claiming it will solve problem-> make problem worse -> change law again -> repeat until loop breaks -> move on to some other minor problem.

  91. Labor camps are cheap, SDN, particularly when you don’t even bother to feed them.

    Well, not unless you want the guards added to the menu. Even the oh-so-efficient Nazis found it impossible to keep from wasting essential resources (food, fuel, desperately needed combat troops) on running concentration camps. And if people figure out they’re dead no matter what, “coming along quietly” pretty much loses its’ appeal.

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