October 15, 2012

Something to chew on

Dennis D. sends along a comment he plucked from the Ulstermann site that is at once almost laughable paranoid and yet oddly plausible, surreal and terrifying simultaneously, bespeaking an Administration so committed to political theater — and so downright cynical and demanding of narrative control — that the story itself begins to make sense of some of the behavior of the WH and State (and some silence as to the presence of so many obvious spooks) that I figured I’d post it here and let you all discuss it.

To be clear, I don’t endorse the theory. But I also am not among those who think that because Obama, Axelrod, Jarrett, Rice, Wright, Ayers, and the whole host of hard left would-be radicals who are living out the dream of controlling the levers of world power, are garden-variety left liberals and love their country as much as we do, that to even consider the story is absurd, unhelpful, dangerous, or Visigothically cockroachable.

So.  Here it is.  Discuss amongst yourselves:

DID OBAMA STAGE BENGHAZI ATTACK?
OCTOBER 15, 2012 BY C.O. JONES

I received a phone call from an old friend that has been in Washington D.C. for years and is ‘fairly well-connected politically’. What she told me was ugly and sinister, yet very compelling.

She said she had received information from someone ” high up in White House circles”, and wanted my thoughts. No, there is no leaked email, no concrete proof, and this article is based on “hearsay.” I’m not one that usually engages in or repeats hearsay, but if this is true, it could be the biggest story in 50 years.

According to her, Barack Obama, wanting an “October Surprise,” had secretly arranged with the Muslim Brotherhood for a kidnapping of our ambassador.  Then sometime in October before the election Obama was to orchestrate some great military action to rescue Ambassador Stevens, causing all of America to cheer Obama’s strong foreign policy and bravery and making him look like a hero. After all, his supposed killing of Osama Bin Laden bounce had long since faded. Thus, sweeping him to victory in November. Imagine the headlines and talking points. The election would be a lock.

The Muslim Brotherhood has every reason to want Obama re-elected in November and have an American President sympathetic to their causes. Not to mention an administration filled with Muslim appeasers. Therefore, they agreed to aid in these theatrics.

Unfortunately for Ambassador Stevens and three others, the Brotherhood could not control the “hired thugs” that were to perform the kidnapping and things escalated and four American lives were lost.

Panic set in at the White House and with little time to place blame as far away from Obama as they could, they settled on a ridiculous fairy tale about an irrelevant video posted four months prior on YouTube and ran with it. Barack Obama even ran with it after evidence showed he knew better and ran with it all the way to his speech at the U.N.

So now, they are admitting it was a terrorist attack. They are admitting that the State Department had denied requests for more security from Washington, but nobody told them.

Blame anyone but Barack Obama.

I’m betting the White House is smirking and perfectly happy to be accused of having a breakdown in communication as opposed to the alternative. This scenario, if true, more than satisfies my common sense gland.

The only thing I can add to this speculation is the increased and troubling influence the Muslim Brotherhood has seemed to enjoy with this Administration, including White House visits.  Attempts by TEA Party types like Michele Bachmann or Steve King to look into the degree of this influence has been met — even on the right — with a lot of faux outrage and posturing, with blowhards like John McCain even going so far as to call the very questions being asked “unacceptable,” as if certain spheres of potential knowledge concerning national security are off limits, largely because the US position of late seems to be to defer to Muslim sensibilities.

I’m not expert on this but for some deep background I’d point interested readers toward Andrew McCarthy at NRO.

So.  Go ahead and work your way through this — leaving aside what you think of Ulstermann’s record.  This bit came from one of his commenters.

 

 

Posted by Jeff G. @ 5:54pm
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  1. Another point to consider: It doesn’t seem as though the jihadis found him. Or if they did find him, they took him to the hospital, which is weird. This is according to State’s timeline.

    Something stinks here.

    Then sometime in October before the election Obama was to orchestrate some great military action to rescue Ambassador Stevens, causing all of America to cheer Obama’s strong foreign policy and bravery and making him look like a hero.

    Military action? Or perhaps a trade for the Blind Sheik.

  2. It took 24 days for the FBI to get to Benghazi. 24 days. A lot can happen in 24 days.

  3. whi

    • In the weeks before Sept. 11, Libyan security guards are reportedly warned by family members of an impending attack. On Sept. 8, the Libyan militia tasked with protecting the consulate warns U.S. diplomats that the security situation is “frightening.”

    (NOTE: That date of September 8th. So they had Libyan militia telling diplomats the sh-t was about to hit the fan. If State had been on the ball. If the administration had been on the ball, they had 48 hours to secure the safety of American personnel. Here’s a big red f-cking siren going off here. After these reports 48 hours earlier though we have the ambassador flying INTO Benghazi???????????????? When I first read that report of the Libyans telling us on the 8th that the danger level had become critical and then we have Stevens flying INTO Benghazi after those warnings, gave me chills. That means there is something way more going on here. I got no real answer as to what. Just that there was something really strange going on. The missing weapons? Maybe. But maybe more. Like I said. Gave me chills. My gut telling me there is something there and they want it buried so deep now they are willing to look like idiots doing it. Better to look like idiots than murderers?????

    link

  4. I’ve been wondering how come the jihadis didn’t have a set of portable hydraulic shears to go through the bars with, or a cutting torch or steel saw, rather than haphazardly set fire to the joint — preventing their own operation from finishing. So they’re either very stupid (which, granted) or they weren’t really intent on capturing anyone.

  5. whi

    • Sept. 14: Carney says the administration had “no actionable intelligence” about a pending attack.

    (READ THAT STATEMENT AGAIN. THIS IS THREE DAYS AFTER THE BENGHAZI MASSACRE. THER HAD BEEN NO LESS THAN THREE RECENT ATTACKS AGAINST THE AMERICAN CONSULATE IN BENGHAZI BEFORE SEPTEMBER 11TH. WHY ARE THEY SO WILLING TO LIE LIKE THIS WHEN ALL THIS EVIDENCE POINTS TO A TERRORIST ATTACK??? HAS TO BE SOMETHING BIG THEY ARE COVERING UP. BIG. BIG. BIG.)

  6. I think they are just as stupid as we thought they were.

  7. They eat their own boogers for damn sure, but they’re clever enough to use their right hands.

  8. Hillary was very clear about this being all cause of the youtube and I believe her cause she do the smart power plus reset buttons.

  9. The problem with this setup is that it raises two questions:
    1. How could anyone believe that an event that draws (even more) comparison to Jimmy Carter’s incompetance believe that it would be a political winner?
    and
    2. How could they keep the plan from being exposed?

  10. Visigothically cockroachable

    Somebody check if that URL is available? A meme whose time has come…

  11. I hate conspiracy theories like this, it’s so like those “9-11 was an inside job!11!!” claims but….this is the same crowd that came up with & implemented Fast & Furious. Is this any less responsible than putting thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels and then…stepping back? Even if they weren’t setting up some hostage trade situation, they intentionally left Amb. Stevens in a vulnerable position on 9-11. The timeline is troubling – especially their removing security in August, ignoring warning 48hrs before, and then not responding immediately when it started.

  12. Somewhat on topic, is anybody else stunned that Watergate is even remembered in the context of Benghazi?

    Is this some odd alternate reality we’ve been teleported into? Judas Maude.

  13. If, as they seem to have been, the Obama people called off the Neptune Spear mission three times because his people were more concerned about the political downside of a botched mission, then I have a really hard time crediting the idea that they would do something so egregiously stupid —even for them

  14. Oh, and Jarrett kinda deflates that whole Karl Rove thing, doesn’t she? Or it?

  15. 1. How could anyone believe that an event that draws (even more) comparison to Jimmy Carter’s incompetance believe that it would be a political winner?

    Imagine the hostages had been released before the 1980 election, and that their captivity had lasted only a month or so instead of over a year. IOW, imagine Carter had solved the problem.

  16. So now it’s “the fog of war“, rather than “the story I was told to tell” excuse. This gang of thieves is half-way good in this respect: they know how to spin lying yarn after lying yarn until (they hope) the nation falls asleep with boredom at it all and the election comes and goes. They can be secure in the knowledge that the media will do everything it can to help the stall along. Hang on Barryites, you’re nearly there.

  17. Is this any less responsible than putting thousands of guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels and then…stepping back?

    Ahem.

  18. Crimeny.

    Hillary basically says the DoS is responsible for security worldwide and that they’re still investigating.

    This should be cleared up around the twelfth of never.

  19. I expect BHO to play with ‘his’ military action figures soonest. Wouldn’t surprise me to hear him announce a raid on certain parties in Libya just before the debate tomorrow night.

    As for that specific rumor? The truth is always more shocking than any work of fiction, and that reads like a fiction. But this time, I blame Obama’s general-purpose dumbth for this deadly security failure. He just doesn’t get the world.

  20. Less responsible, more responsible, take responsibility, give responsibility: all they know is they’ve got lots more to be responsible about later and nevermind that they didn’t know how to be responsible before now on account of they’re so special they need, absolutely need to stay right there on the job in Quito so that’s enough of that. Now go away.

  21. In a nation with any self-respect half of this gang would be dead and the other half would be running for their lives. This here is a whole other situation though.

  22. Heh. Except it isn’t really laughable, of course.

    “Asked and answered” is going to be their response to any further inquiry by our crack press.

  23. Remember how we used to laugh that Osama bin Laden would give orders to some sappy jihadi brother “Hey sappy jihadi brother, go over there and blow yourself up for to the glory of Allah and the crushing pain of the infidel”, and we’d laugh with “Yo, how come Osama doesn’t go blow his own damn self up he thinks it’s so important to die for to the glory of Allah and the crushing pain of the infidels?”

    This goes just as sweetly for Obama, Clinton and their bunch. “Let the other guy die to our command,” say the rulers, “we’ll just keep doing what we like to do, which is give orders to the little people.”

  24. This admission is rather too convenient. I wonder what Obama had to had to give Hillary to get her to say even this much—which really is that she said not a thing.

  25. This admission isn’t an admission. It’s “The buck stops here, but it isn’t my fault.”

  26. Remember how we used to laugh that Osama bin Laden would give orders to some sappy jihadi brother “Hey sappy jihadi brother, go over there and blow yourself up for to the glory of Allah and the crushing pain of the infidel”, and we’d laugh with “Yo, how come Osama doesn’t go blow his own damn self up he thinks it’s so important to die for to the glory of Allah and the crushing pain of the infidels?”

    And more.

  27. That’s correct, Pablo. “It’s the responsiblity of the State Department.” Which, “duh”.

    It appears that Obama still has the target on his scrawny back. Of course, it will be spun differently by the usual suspects.

    Nice try, but it’s not going away.

  28. Glenn Beck knows people who know people who insinuate that some arms had gotten into the hands of the jihadis instead of the “legitimate” rebels (as is happening in Syria) and that the ambassador was in Bengazhi with CIA pukes to recover the weapons.

    Until they were ambushed and stuff. Which would help explain why the O-ministration wants all that subterfuge and smoke and mirrors.

  29. So Hillary “takes responsibility” but says there’s an investigation underweight to figure out what happened, indicating SHE didn’t make the call (so Clintonian, no?)
    Uh, it all happened within State, so what’s there the investigate? Does she not know who would have received these security requests? Did they communicate the request to anyone higher up the foodchain? Aren’t their protocols for this sort of thing? And hey, does she not know who ordered the security team to leave in August? Does she really expect us to believe that 1 month+ since the attack that none of this has been determined yet?

  30. Glenn Beck knows people who know people who insinuate that some arms had gotten into the hands of the jihadis instead of the “legitimate” rebels (as is happening in Syria) and that the ambassador was in Bengazhi with CIA pukes to recover the weapons.

    A lot of this becomes clearer than mud when you allow yourself to accept that just as the Oministration is utterly corrupt, so probably are many of the nation’s foreign dealings. Especially in the Mideast. Especially wrt interests not necessarily yours and mine.

    Sure baddies operate there. Problem is they aren’t all theirs.

  31. Ambassadors only lead missions to recover stolen weapons in bad books and movies.

  32. Libby, I expect some lifer at State who was about to time-out and retire to ‘fess up. That or they’ll blame it on being understaffed.

    Because Republicans!

  33. Theater of this sort is a signature of the hard left, always has been. Prior to Fast and Furious, I’d have dismissed it out of hand as not possible in the American system. Post F&F, its impossible to dismiss anything out of hand anymore where this criminal junta is involved.

  34. That makes sense. They were trying to do something for the rebels, cut base security to stay “on budget,” and then were naive enough to think the weapons would never change hands.

    Still, the “Carter but successful” theory does sound like the missing piece to the Big Bird/Fast and Furious Trifecta of awful.

  35. While I dismiss this theory out of hand, I cannot dismiss the idea the current administration wouldn’t try something like this if they thought it would assure the reelection of Barack Obama.

  36. beemoe, under that theory, the weapons weren’t stolen per se, but we’re trying to recover them anyway.

  37. I have no doubt some nobody at State will take the fall, it’s just nonsense to claim they haven’t figured out who the “responsible” nobody is yet. If Hillary and Obama weren’t consulted on this (not likely), they’d have raised holy hell to figure out hat happened within hours of the attack. And the press should be pointing this out.
    The only point is to blunt this as an attack on Obama at tomorrow’s debate. As said above, the investigation will be complete on the twelfth of never.

  38. I really think the unanswered question is what was Stevens doing in Benghazi meeting with a Turkish official? What is that guy’s name? Are the spooks on it?

    Whose on third?

  39. That makes sense. They were trying to do something for the rebels, cut base security to stay “on budget,” and then were naive enough to think the weapons would never change hands.

    At face value, this wasn’t about budgetary concerns, but rather it was about normalization.

    Accounts from security officials who were on the ground and documents indicate that they repeatedly warned Washington officials about the dangerous situation in Libya. Instead, however, of moving swiftly to respond to these concerns, Washington officials seemed preoccupied with the concept of ‘normalization.’ We will ask our panel what ‘normalization’ means to them.

  40. what ever don’t say “muslim brotherhood” or you’ll be called a “truther”. oh and intentionalism stuff.

  41. Making the appearance of “normalization” a higher priority than security in response to Stevens begging for additional security, escalating violence (direct attacks), and multiple warnings is reckless disregard. If that’s the real explanation Hillary should be gone, and Obama is unfit for office. His primary responsibility as president is safeguarding America – not supporting green tech, making sure women get birth control, paying illegal aliens’ kids tuition, etc., – and he failed miserably at it. Game over.

  42. Mrs. Lamb was down with normalization, and when asked “Did you come up with that normalization policy on your own Mrs. Lamb?” she said, “Oh no, that’s not my place, you’ll have to talk to my supervisors to see where they got it from.”

    In other words: Barry thought it well to normalize.

    Which gives the lie to Jackson Diehl: “The deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans in Benghazi were a calamity — but those losses were mainly the result of poor security decisions by mid-level State Department officials, not policy choices by Obama.”

  43. What I want to know is what do Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson think of all this?

  44. They probably figure Bush is responsible.

  45. Hillary basically says the DoS is responsible for security worldwide and that they’re still investigating.

    I’m sure we’ll find out how those FBI files ended up in the White House back in the ’90s anytime now.

  46. Sure. And who hired Craig Livingstone.

  47. what better place than peru to “take resposihillarity”

  48. Well y’know, the only reasonable response to Clinton’s claim to “take responsibility” is “No, you don’t, liar. Else you’d already be gone. “

  49. Trying to force back normal conditions, while at the same time trying to get back dangerous weapons.

    …Yeah. Sounds like this admin.

  50. I think he stole this idea from Paddy Chayefsky’s Network.

  51. OT: but that’s the way you come back and win a football game.

  52. Paddy Chayefsky’s Network? Sometimes Glenn Beck sounds like Howard Beall.

  53. I want some of those pills they were handing out in the Bronco’s locker room at halftime.

  54. Speaking of sporting events, the Tigers v. the (Stinkin’) Yankees tomorrow night at the same time as the debate.

    What to do?

  55. Kind of like the way Denver come back to win games last year. It’s kind of interesting how much the results look like those of Tebow leading the Broncos last year. I am in no way comparing Tebow to Manning, but the slow starts, opponents self destructing, heroics at the end of the game…

  56. - Unbeleivable, on both counts.

  57. - I think I finally figured out what has been keeping Rivers and the Chargers from ever really putting it all together, not that anyone will ever ask my opinion, but still.

    - I realized it as I was watching the side by side comparison of Manning and Rivers as they played.

    - In a word, patience. Rivers is always pressing and going for the bomb because he gets so steamed up he can’t control himself and stay calm. Manning did not go nuts and try to get it all back at once. Rivers kept going for the kill and telegraphing what he wanted to do.

    - Looking back I remembered the same thing in all the games we should have won but fell apart. And worse, Norv Turner is a college coach, always going for the bomb.

    - The perfect combination of no patience.

  58. expect BHO to play with ‘his’ military action figures soonest.

    Playing soon at a theater of contingency operations not near you it is to be hoped.

  59. - Whats going on with Issa?

  60. - Five gunshots…..police on the way.

  61. BBH: Saying that, followed by 6 hrs of silence… well, it’s somewhat ominous. Please, go on!

  62. Speaking of security funding (and Issa):

    Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) says the State Department is sitting on $2.2 billion that should be spent on upgrading security at U.S. embassies and consulates worldwide, but the Obama administration will not spend the funds.

    Issa made his comment during an appearance on CBS’s “Face the Nation” to discuss the recent attack in Benghazi, Libya, that left U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans dead. Issa, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, held a highly partisan hearing on the incident last week.

    Issa claims the State Department will not spend the already approved funds because they didn’t want to the appearance of needing increased security.*

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  64. Twilight Zone – Episode 94 – Four O’Clock

    Hey, that was on MeTV last night, wasn’t it? I didn’t like it. The crazy guy who accused half the population of being commies and a ne’er-do-wells was hoist by his own petard.

    Because obviously, someone with schizophrenic ideations is evil. And a red-baiter.

    Hollywood sucked even back then.

  65. I don’t think Obozo could stage a revival of Rhinoceros, let alone a terrorist attack.

  66. Is it one of the old Twilight Zone with Rod Serling? That guy was a doomsayer.

    I have one of his collections of short stories from the 60s (they aren’t his stories, he compiled them) and every one of them is doom and gloom.

  67. ‘Twas a time of foreboding megatonnage, so no damned wonder there was gloom and doom abroad in the land.

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