Among those with no religion. 69%-23%.
Meaning, by my estimation, that roughly 100% of the 69% of those who aren’t religious believers have determined that they’re too smart to believe in any kind of divine being or natural rights — and as a paradigmatic replacement have given themselves over to temporary politicians who impose their wills on us through the State.
That is, they support authoritarianism disguised as beneficent and moral governmental compassion doled out by the noble and virtuous politician; and in their sneering genius, they have replaced a philosophical construct intended to prevent enslavement of man by man — natural rights coming from God and Nature that are unalienable and can only be secured by government, not granted nor taken away — with the very mechanisms by which, historically speaking, mankind has artificially (and inequitably) doled out liberty , controlled subjects, and solidified power among the few at the expense of the many.
So smart, is the smart set. So knowing.
Not like the bitterclingers with their foggy sky beards and their hoary old Constitution…
Well, reading the DNC’s platform, I’m pretty sure they know their base when they see it.
There is a notion out there that everyone wants liberty, but that is obviously false. A good chunk of people want to be one of a warrior king’s many subjects, and dream of being one of the toadies.
Chicago way.
Atheism has all the trappings of a religion, minus the deity(s). They gather, they have radical activist sub-sects, they preach and seek converts, they have dogma and sacred icons (like abortion), and they believe they’re the one true way.
One thing I remember from my grad school computational theory classes is that all non-trivial systems(ex the universe) can contain genuinely true statements that CAN’T be proven true using the the rules that define the system(i.e. physics, math, science).
The claims of those who claims a god(s)/diety doesn’t exist have no basis in actual mathematics. The only logical position, consistent with the laws of science and mathematics is to at least allow for the possibility of a god(s) as one of those unprovable true statements that are possible in the system. To assert non-existence is just as dogmatic as those who assert existence.
Since an enumeration of possible gods/dieties is effectively infinite, the necessary proofs to debunk them are also infinite. As a practical matter, the debunking of gods/deities is an NP-Complete problem — i.e. effectively unsolvable in any known timeframe.
This is why atheists resort to the usual approximation approaches towards dealing with NP-Complete problems, and their approximation result is always the same: “because!”
Richard Samuelson: “Government Is the Only Thing that We All Belong To”
They want to put y’all in chains!
In addition to the above, the existence of a god/deity does not necessarily have to belong in the class of unprovable but true statements that can exist in a system.
It could be a provably true statement. The only way to really distinguish between the provably true and true but not provable, is to generate a proof. If you can generate a proof, then you know it was a provable statement. If not, it may be true but unprovable, or you just weren’t clever enough to generate a proof and its still up in the air
Obama, according to Woodward: “The one thing that I said I actually needed, they didn’t get,” he fumes to his advisers as he tries to avoid a plan that would raise the debt ceiling enough to cover a few months. “I needed this to go past the election, and they didn’t get it for me.”
Yeah buddy. That’s what government is for.
The coolest thing G_d ever did was to be All+x, where x is an Anything we can no more know than we shall ever know All.
The smartest thing the Devil ever did was to disappear.
Ergo, nonexistence is at one extreme, and infinity the other. The notion that any of This must explain itself to our limitations is beyond laughable. It might not even understand Itself yet.
Though often flawed in the practice, a serious adherent of Judaism or Christianity will have this core political principle: the State is bounded. Sure, there are some misguided forays into statist solutions or cheerleading for same (sighs the Catholic), but ultimately Caesar is not the last word. He stands on the same side of the divine/human boundary as the rest of us, and is subject to the same limitations we are, not least of which is a flawed, fallible nature subject to reason and judgment.
To quote from Walter Miller’s classic A Canticle For Liebowitz:
“To minimize suffering and to maximize security were natural and proper ends of society and Caesar. But then they became the only ends, somehow, and the only basis of law — a perversion. Inevitably, then, in seeking only them, we found only their opposites: maximum suffering and minimum security.”
and
“Caesar’s to be God’s policeman, not His plenipotentiary successor, nor His heir.”
Proud 23-percenter here. It’s actually a larger minority than most I’ve belonged to.
“….and yee shall know them by their words and their deeds…..Thrice hath they denied me, and thrice hath I raised them up in God, thy lords, name…..Forgive them oh lord my savior, for they know not what they do.” – Jesus of Nazereth
– For all the world to see.
Silver Whistle:
Yep, there went good old Joe, blowing the operation once again. You’d think they could find something to keep him out of trouble for five minutes.
There are very few true atheists and most of those don’t give a crap what you believe because…they are atheists. And I generally find those sort of people fine to be around.
These “non religious” however often have the most confused collection of new age gobbolly goop in their heads that it is a mystery why it does not leak out their ears like rancid syrup. It is no surprise why they would be taken in by Da One.
The party with no religion doesn’t have a prayer.
We are the Gods we’ve been waiting for.
– Man, it seems anyone that gets even close to the DNC trips over some hidden obsticles.
– The C-SPAN 1 announcer just announced the DNC is coming to us today from Charlotte Ohio.
“Maybe if she’d have said something REALLY extreme the DNC would have given ger a speaking slot.”
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“All your polls are belomg to US.”
– Axelrod to Gallup: “What the hell are you doing?….Yoir polls will say what we tell you they’ll say.”
….link.
Jeff coulda done better, but it’s still pretty funny: Lapdog Poetry.
“….And I’d like that double with onions animal style.”
– Maybe if they just switched to wheat and got rid of all those racist whitey buns.
– Next up: “The Peace corp adds Elderly and children to their overseas labor force….for the fairness.”
I find myself feeling worse and worse for those with no preparation for any type of collapse, large or small.
Once these atheists discover that a “Down with Math!” crony capitalist state doesn’t end in good times and lollipops, they’re not going to have any belief to fall back to. So what happens then?
They apply to grad school.
….and you get to pay for it.
Ha!
…Yeah.
Obama’s America, where woman are woman on welfare, and men are either community or Union organizers.
….and what the hell. Close enough for government work (Or Unions.)
– Gee, where are all those ‘fact checkers’ this week?
@dicentra: great now i’m crying with laughter and i can’t tell anyone why.
….Yeah……that’ll leave a mark.
“….and you get to pay for it.”
With what? Sun dried squirrel strips and wild onions?
#MATH: Average Age of DNC Speakers Almost 10 Years Older Than RNC Speakers.
Meanwhile Republican gays group privately calls Barney Frank a hideously old unfuckable lisping horror troll, who ran a gay brothel in his house, and helped destroy the housing market.
Barney Frank calls gay Republican group “Uncle Toms.”
shouldn’t it be uncle liberace
Reason Magazine/Online asks some Democrats at their conventions how the party of pro choice actually feels about people making their own choices:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwejQBIyjow&feature=player_embedded
Even the Daily show notices that some Democrats have a rather funny definition of inclusiveness:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-september-5-2012/hope-and-change-2—the-party-of-inclusion
But Bill Clinton spoke last night and caused Chris Matthews the think out loud about how Bill Clinton could probably put the mack on martians if he had too. He’s like Captain Kirk only Kirk was never impeached and disbarred for perjury, and accused of rape. So let’s forget the hypocrisy and the shambles that has resulted from the last four years of Obama’s messianic calling and do the patriotic thing for America and tomorrow.
Hope and change bitter clingers.
But Bill Clinton spoke last night and caused Chris Matthews the think out loud about how Bill Clinton could probably put the mack on martians if he had too. —–>
But neeeever mind!
Bill Clinton spoke last night and caused Chris Matthews to think out loud about how Bill Clinton could probably put the mack on martians if he had too.
Ruin too, takes time.
Choose.
baracky setting gold prices with his ncaa picks
Barack Obama to hail himself as the new Franklin D. Roosevelt: President promises ‘bold, persistent’ leadership like FDR during the Great Depression
TODAY Marks One Year Anniversary of Solyndra’s Collapse – On Same Day As Obama’s DNC Speech
Obama has the dictator thing down pretty good, so that makes him like FDR in at least one way.
Kerry is such a revolting putz.
It’s simple, really. They worship the god they (think) they can control rather than worship the God they can’t.
– I would just love for someone to yell out “Where’s yer DDS-180” while that asshole is up on stage.
– His fat assed wife, the Ketchup slut, is probably sitting at home permenently shit-faced on her ginned up raisins.
From the NRO live blog of the Democrat CON(job)
BEST TAKEDOWN LINE EVER!
lot’s of diversity of skin/gender tonite. ideas not so much
It’s simple, really. They worship the god they (think) they can control rather than worship the God they can’t.
rnabs wins the thread.
– Yes well, If sKerry wants to take credit for inventing and being the consumate husling flip-flopper I’d give him that.
– Did you know that he met Terrreezzza at an Earth day in Argentina. Yes, he was the hard working activist from Mass, busy recruiting other traitors, and she was the daughter of a high up official in the Communist party, and of course the rich widow of Heinz, so it was a match made in hell. Perfect for the Democratics. They both fit right in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9WLXEKYPH_E
Andrew Klavan deftly explains what the world probably looks like from behind Obama’s blue (ideologically blue that is, like a blue state) eyes.
watchin’ an effin’ death cult that doesn’t have any virgins to toss on the fire only fetuses
– Ok, we’re back to the ‘I’m ches a hard working immigrent that had to walk 15 miles up hill both ways through a blinding snow storm with my arthritic grandmother on my back to school’ part of the evening.
Wisdom from MOTUS’ site:
it is a big effin’ joe
I heard it was you talkin ’bout a world where all is free…
Biden just mau mau’ed his own wife in front of a crowd. Amazing.
EASTWOOD: Of course, we all know Biden is the intellect of the Democrat Party, so…
CONVENTION: (roaring laughter)
EASTWOOD: He’s kind of a grin with a body behind it.
CONVENTION: (roars continue)
@ charlesaustin good soundtrack with joeyhairplugs muted
what’s with joeyhairplugs pointing the finger?
– So it looks like after two disasterous days the cockroaches are just straight up running from the talk shows.
You had four years Joey. You messed up. You messed up real bad. You can;t change it now. It’s over. So just go home.
photo of the “typical white woman”
baracky with a finger
Is there anything in thislittle movie that isn’t a fuckin’ lie? She asked rhetorically.
4 years of fail and crap and he’s lecturing us on how great the future looks if we don;t hold him responsible for his massive failure so far.
– The sponsor.
He’s running against Bush again. Is that all the chump can figure out how to do?
No more years! No more years! No more years!
– Shorter Jug ears: “Yes, its true everything is totally fucked up, but I did get Bin Laden (I think), and if you give me 4 more years things will be even more unbelievably fucked up, but I’ll get Bin Laden again!”
“The End”
Oh good, he’s going to set college tuition rates now.
– This is good. He’s sticking to the bitter end with the Marxist anti-free market, anti business dogma.
– I was concerned he was going to try some Clintonese sugar coated faux pivot right and fool the low hanging fruit.
Obama apparently wants to save us from ‘Obama struggling unsuccessfully with the specter of Bush for four years’.
He can best do that from an expensive house in Hawaii right? All we have to do is send him there.
Citizenship? More like Subject-hood.
the true ” believers” are scary morons
There isn’t one thing in this speech that is new. It’s his stump speech/SOTU speech/Go-to speech.
oh good a nation run by commies is for baracky- “brazillian americans for obama”
– None of them give a shit, just as long as the checks keep coming and the gravey train rolls on.
He’s changed? My shiny metal ass.
Forward into the latrine!
Sometimes you just have to let them go.
left-right-left-right-left-right….
He’s religious now? Ha! Unless it’s those pictures with accompaning Bible verse attached taht convinced him. I really hate this guy.
pbs found a muslim!!11!!
pbs found sikhs
– A Muslim? I thought they checked everyone for explosives when they enter the arena?
“Forward!”, he cried from the rear and the front rank died.
i think the girls will find hawaii fun
– I was wondering what they’d drop since they didn’t hve time for baloons. What else…. foodstamps!
What a sad loser. Hard sell your boss who’s about to fire you in front of the temps you bought some tex-mex take-out for last week. Good luck with that loser.
“Forward!”, he cried from the rear and the front rank died.
yes the audioless pbs points that way
– Tomoeeows job numbers will put a nice exclamation mark on this circus.
= Tomorrows…..
david brooks and mark shields are very engaging when you don’t hear him
= Tomorrows…..
the baracky does typos and making sh*t up too
“….was this a fantastic convention?
Crowd: …..Nnnnoooooooo!
no this
Welcome to the Machine
So, we suffer and lose ground, and fight for all we are worth, and after four years of that, the democrats all get together, hold hands and chant about how awesome they are, like little kids do, and the Foo Fighters play a creepy song ass song about not wanting to die for free.
DEMOCRATS. Colin Powell swears by ’em and Rove and Romney say we need to be nice to them.
I think I hate the world right now.
Brit Hume opines that the Wonce is full of shit and it was a lousy speech riddled with errors.
Go Brit.
Dr. K agrees with Brit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uxL5PUM6NI
Obama Sucks.
Juan Williams gushed.
Dogs (Waters, Gilmour) 17:06
You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need.
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you’re on the street,
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes closed.
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight,
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style.
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake,
A certain look in the eye and an easy smile.
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to,
So that when they turn their backs on you,
You’ll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder.
You know it’s going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
get older.
And in the end you’ll pack up and fly down south,
Hide your head in the sand,
Just another sad old man,
All alone and dying of cancer.
And when you loose control, you’ll reap the harvest you have sown.
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone.
And it’s too late to lose the weight you used to need to throw
around.
So have a good drown, as you go down, all alone,
Dragged down by the stone.
I gotta admit that I’m a little bit confused.
Sometimes it seems to me as if I’m just being used.
Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise.
If I don’t stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of this
maze?
– The WH gets the job numbers a day ahead, and they aren’t goimg to be good. If they were His Womceyness would have made SOME sort of mention of it. He had nothing else to ‘hope’ for so you can bet he would have.
– His advisors know that if he faked it and then it was a bluff it would be disasterous.
Hawkins had the best tweet of the night.
Daddy’s flown across the ocean leaving just a memory. A snapshot in the family album. Daddy, what else did you leave for me? Daddy, what you leave behind for me?
– Will the real DNC please stand up…How the hell do you hope to lead a nation if you can’t even decide what you stand for?
Steely Dan Here At The Western World
I feel pretty good about missing both conventions.
Me too.
I figured as long as i was going to watch something depressing, i’d watch Old Yeller instead.
baracky finds dogs tasty
I missed the Joe & Barry show … I was helping the boys with their homework.
Cause I’m an evil teabagger who labors under the delusion of self-reliance and am making other kids suffer by helping my own.
ok, I decided to scan a bit of the text of Barry’s speech
Looks like it’s all cut-n-paste from the boilerplate shit he’s been spewing for 3 years … I don’t see a “new” thing in it.
Now your patrons have all left you in the red. Your low rent friends are dead, this life can be very strange. All those dayglow freaks who used to paint the face, they’ve joined the human race. Some things will never change. Son, you were mistaken, you are obsolete. Look at all the white men on the street.
Intentions can’t pay bills,
or save a starving man.
It’s results that do,
and only them that can.
Intentions can’t track submarines
or swap out peas for jelly beans
It may not seem entirely fair,
But intentions are as empty
as the air.
Here now.
Miss July is a snack, Buffalo Bill approved even.
– Israel is only going to dick around just so long, and Bummblefuck needs not to deal with the Iran thing until after the elections.
– One foreigner needs to worry about reelection, and an entire country needs to worry about survival.
– Guess that puts America and Israel in the same boat.
– Maybe both countries will survive if we stop dicking around with Obama.
– Well, ok, maybe, but those are ADP numbers, not CBO’s, and even those are projecting 8.3%, so he couldn’t bring it up.
They are the expectations, which a higher than anticipated ADP number caused to jump upward today.
– Obama’s shot his wad. Him an his politiburo are still babbling about growing the economy from the middle class out. The old eternal Socialist pipe dream.
– I don’t think theres anything he could do or say at this point that would bring the investment capitalists back on board, so a 2nd term would be a waste of time and probably sink us for good.
– An even bigger problem remains. Even if Romney wins its anyones guess if we can mend fences enough to get back to a strong growth economy any time soon, which could open the door to another round of Social engineering lunacy in 2016. Not a lot of happy prospects going Forward.
bush, clinton, hillary, mena, the royal scam with maybe obama on top
Kid Charlemagne by Steely Dan
Oh! Ever so slightly OT: American Thinker has a bit up about words, meaning, intent, slogans, dog whistles and Democrats. A favorite topic here, I’m sure of it!
So. When does that convention in Charlotte start?
– You can go back to sleep McGehee….turns out it was cancelled because of sunshine.
Did Caroline Kennedy sound like she ate a handful of ‘ludes before she spoke or was that just my radio dragging?
Heh.
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