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Newt is a good man. If he would have got the Republican nomination, I would be more upbeat about the election. I bet people would have even watched the convention.
To tell the truth, I wish Newt was the VP pick. Ryan should have stayed focused on the job he was already elected to do. He’s a sitting congressman, no?
Oh well…
I noticed other things.
You weren’t alone, sdferr.
Newt is a proud Progressive. He’s useful, in that he gets it and he can demonstrate that. But he isn’t the leader we need.
You go first leigh, what did you notice?
Any of you digital jet setters want to unpackthat for those of us living in digital stone age?
Too though, I saw this clip at TheRightScoop, where it goes on a bit longer, including an exchange between Brokaw and Gingrich, as well as something more from Fiorina (about whom, I still don’t know what she had said that Newt was responding to at the beginning of the clip).
At this point, I’m prepared to listen to anybody willing to actually lead. As opposed to focus-group testing every idea that might pass his lips to make sure the all-holy moderate/independent vote isn’t shocked out of it’s complacency.
Except Ron Paul! of course [grin]
Pablo, I’m coming from the position that Newt would have been preferable to Willard, IMHO.
Also, Bachmann, Cain, Perry, and Santorum would have been superior choices, to my way of thinking.
By no means do I intend to give a ringing endorsement.
Thomas Freidman: Democrats take the admirable position that women can do whatever they like to the growing human in their bodies, at whatever time they decide to do it. Our Democratic leaders know better than to get in their way. And we journalists will keep those scissors sharp!
Newt Gingrich: But there’s bias! Killing babies in women’s wombs would be akin to the Holocaust as far as the American people were concerned, if only you journalists were as fair to disseminate Republican’s arguments as you do for Progressive’s!
TF: But, see, we aren’t. And we won’t be, ever. So go back to dragging your knuckles on your cave floor, and we’ll get on with the business of reducing the overburdening-Gaia population in whatever way we see fit! Good day!
By the way, that Sultan Knish piece Insty linked is pretty durned good, though it belongs in the “Convention viewing drop” thread more than here, even though it’s related here too.
Thanks serr8d for the summary. The colloquial wingnutterese was especially aprreciated.
You sir are a gentleman among gentleman and a scholar’s scholar.
China!
Moon colonies.
Ernst, Newt commented on biased reporting when asked about Akin. He stated that Rove was out of line “in the time of Gabby Giffords”, in his (Rove’s) remarks about Akin, then launched into an attack on the MSM in general, with examples, and their reporting with a clear double standard.
It was classic Newt, as Darleen said, love’em or hate’em…
Agreed.
Yeah. We could do a hell of a lot better.
Then Romney is your guy. Which, he’s certainly better than the other guy who couldn’t lead a conga line.
The moon is so 50 years ago. We outta have Chinese colonies on Saturn’s moons by now!
Chop Chop
Mitt Romney is a very charitable man in his personal life.
What I like best is that Newt unequivocally called out the Dems on their Free Infanticide for Everyone! position and plank.
That needs to be a line we shove in their pie holes everyone time they bring up Republicans Hate teh Womyns! crappola
Except Romney doesn’t want to lead, he wants to manage.
I’ll grant you that’s better than wanting to control, but it’s hardly anything worth getting enthused about.
chop chop is racist
chop chop is racist
– Well now, thats a different slant.
Paraphrasing Lee: Chinese colonies on Saturn’s moons… chop chop.
Ha! Good times.
I think Romney needs a new pitch for some of us. Some sort of deliverable that he can lay at our feet before we cast a vote. Ryan was something of this sort but not entirely because VPs don’t really matter much policy-wise unless the guy on top lends him that authority and Ryan wasn’t a pure, holy object any more than any other politician anyways.
What can he do? What corner can he paint himself into? That’s the thing I want for my affirmative vote. I want something that dooms him to one term if he doesn’t carry through. Eliminating Obamacare was all fine and good but then right before being selected as VP suddenly Ryan was talking about which sections of Ocare couldn’t be handled through reconciliation because of the Robert’s ruling and it just so happened that everything that didn’t poll well couldn’t be handled in the same way that it was originally passed.
I have little faith even though Romney has over-performed and Ryan remains a better than expected pick. Pitch to that niche, please.
Call me a racist, go ahead. I ain’t yeller.
– At the end Friedman says he’d have no problem defending ‘that’ with other Democrats, but vot Republicans.
– Of course he wouldn’t, they’re a bunch of frantic females who are looking down the barrel of a 20 year, half a million dollar responsibility, they’ll do and say anything to get out of.
I’d find it reassuring if his surrogates went after Obama at least as hard as they went after Romney’s Republican rivals. Just so I have some idea about whom it is they consider their rivals and whom their enemies.
As for the rest of bh’s excellent comment, the only the establishment will stop taking us for granted is if we stop automatically voting for them.
But yes, Ryan was an excellent pick. Far better than what I expected (Pawlenty). That’s likely the only bone we’re going to get, in my estimation.
– Well now, thats a different slant.
slant near chop chop is racist – mslsd wannabe
Except Romney doesn’t want to lead, he wants to manage.
I can live with that. We certainly can get rid of the Department of Redundancy Departments and slash a lot of make-work programs and $-suck initiatives.
Someone has to do it. It’s not like he’s running for president to feel the love, like Barry is.
” Moon colonies.”
I’d much rather have someone working on a moon colonization project than a minimum wage pegged to inflation.
There’s an equal number of cads pushing that responsibility on to them because her body, her choice
bh, Romney can’t give “a new pitch for some of us”. The guy has been running for president for six years, he’s a known quantity. TEA Partyers aren’t going to believe he’s their best friend at this point.
The only consolation we have at this point is, at least Romney ain’t a commie. Any new pitch he gives now would only undermine that pillar of faith.
Except he won’t. Or at least I doubt he will. Partly because the bureaucracy just is. And partly because he’s not making the case for doing so.
Because it’s going to take an act of Congress to get that done. And it’s going to take the clearly expressed support of the American electorate to persuade the Congressional Republicans to tell their Democrat counterparts to pound sand, before that act passes.
– If we can get the WH and both houses of Congress we can do the rest with T-party replacements over time.
– It’s not maybe as good as 4000 lawyers at the bottom of the Potomac, or Holder and Barney doing 5 to 10, but it’s a start.
He may, Ernst. He’s got nothing to lose by giving it a try.
He said in his speech at the RNC that his old man always told him to “be bold” and that he intended to do so. He said it more than once. We’ll find out soon enough what the particulars are as he campaigns around the battleground states for the next 9 weeks.
Romney is a vanilla guy. Whitebread. Ofay. Pick a pejorative. Quite frankly I’ve had enough exotica with the bourghetto (that’s pronounced Boo-shetto) bunch we have now. I want competence. Mitt might disappoint. Hell, he could trip and fall flat on his face. We’ll find out after he’s sworn in. I say that with confidence, too, because Obama is a goner.
First order of Business:
* Withdraw all funding from Obamacare
* Reverse all EO’s by Jug ears
* Drop all suits against States and help them reinforce the border
* Set a time limit on the dream act, with no citizen rights attached.
* Pass the Bush tax cuts extention
* Eliminate the death tax
* Start withdrawel from Afghanistan without announcing it
* Make a public announcement of support for Israel and help them prepare for war with Iran – load up the straights of Hormose with war ships.
* Pass a bill cutting off aide for pregnacies past the first trimester.
– Yeh, the list is almost endless that this commie jerkoff has crapped all over our country.
That’s where I am at this moment in time.
That making the case for something? That earning a mandate? That’s politics, without any ironic signifiers. That’s fixing things. That’s doing what needs doing.
We need to engage the argument, not dodge it. We need to engage. We need to win. Door by door or through targeted ad buys we need to do this. Win without it and we’re just treading water. Winning ain’t without it.
Regarding the illegal alien problem that plagues the whole country, I think he should have a meet up with Stephan Harper, the PM of Canada and talk about the way they run their guest worker visa program. They’ve been very successful with it and don’t have to detain and deport too many.
It would also be outreach to our neighbors to the north, something that O hasn’t bothered to do. If both countries in NA are united on that issue and leaning on Mexico to get their shit together within a reasonably short time frame or we start sanctioning them. Sanctions to be determined by the 2 countries demanding compliance.
People will scream their heads off about it being teh raacist! Get over it. We need to let everyone (I’m lookin’ at you, muzzies) know we’re a sovereign nation and not to be messed with anymore.
proposing solutions is racist with a kenyan in office
The Kenyan will be turning in his keys in January.
slant near chop chop is racist…
– The slant is in the eyes of the beholder.
An argument without at least four twists in it is scarcely worth hearing. Meretriciousness in the service of malice and ambition is the new baseline for academic validity. This is the 21 century an age of miscreantocracy
when the prime minister of japan is in an airplane don’t say “there’s a nip in the air”
….don’t say “there’s a nip in the air”
– Whereas, it’s perfectly acceptable to say “Here’s a cold one, have a nip on me.”
I think that’s an actual quote from just before Yamamoto was shot down.
It’s cool to say that shit when you’re at war and really do want to kill all the miserable bastards.
– The Allies being able to intercept the flight details of Yamamoto’s plane shows there was a definate chink in their security.
It’s all fun and games until someone tries to soft pedal a Matt Taibbi article here at pw.
Oh, wait…
“I think that’s an actual quote from just before Yamamoto was shot down. ”
“Coming up next: Emperor Hirohito flies back to Japan after his historic first-ever visit to the United States and weatherman Bob Kudzma says there’s a nip in the air tonight.”
link
“there was a definate chink in their security.”
chop chop
More like a gaping hole in their strategy. When you rely on sneak attacks and cruelty, best not to let the enemy listen in. It reeks of scrutableness.
I’m surprised there’s not more comment on the “regulatory shackles” comment. I don’t follow the gossip regarding celebrity newsreaders, so I don’t know the name of the unutterable numbtard who said that, but we don’t need Newt sitting there, we need good old Buckley to threaten to sock him in his fool mouth for such an obvious lie.
There is simply NOT a single blessed way to get a metaphor that distorted out of what Biden said, his opponents, his views of his opponents, the venue, the context, or Biden’s history and views.
It’s not just an unlikely interpretation, it is COMPLETELY impossible. In comparison, being attacked by flying monkeys from Venus is so likely that you should probably buy insurance for it immediately.
It is an UTTER lie in an attempt to shore up the HORRIFIC partisan hackery of the MFM attacking the right and supporting the left at nearly every opportunity, no matter the cost in terms of integrity and logic, or even sanity.
I cannot imagine what a douchebag his boss must be to let him keep that job (unless I mistake his role and he was a “participant” in the “debate” and wasn’t a so-called journalist or moderator).
How stupid do you have to be to think you can get away with such an *obvious* lie?
Biden said something to the effect of unshackling Wall Street and putting the shackles on you to a mixed race crowd. It wasn’t obviously racist and we don’t need to go there. There are plenty of other much clearer examples to use.
“Romneycare was idiocy and if I ever even think of telling free people what they must buy again I’m going to kill myself.”
Not expecting to hear it, but that’s what it would take.
Your list is a good one, but note that it doesn’t begin to tear down the roster of constitutionally illegal institutions. It does not really begin to balance the budget. It’ll never pay the debt.
Romney will just lose more slowly, and by the look of it, that more slowly will be incremental.
See what I mean, good, kindly, moral Establishment Republicans?
Omigod. Check this out, Seekers.
Off topic but remember what today is! Celebrate a diversity of empty chairs! The magic is in the “O” and also special historical proof of a connection between Barack Obama and…?
You forgot to add mention of prosecutions.
Or the need to fire 99% of the State Department, strip them of security clearances, and a lifetime ban on working for any government agency or contractor.
No, wait, that’s pretty much all of the Obama appointments.
“Regulatory shackles”?
What kind of morons believe that crap? Gregory is a tool, straight up.
The kind of moron that can fucking read or hear, I suppose.
Yes, B Moe, everyone but you is an idiot, and it’s perfectly okay for the MFM to hold Democrats to a lenient standard and Republicans to a harsher one.
Or, alternatively, not.
BTW, what sort of regulatory shackles do you think Biden thought Romney was going to levy on the “y’all” from the comment? Seriously, Romney’s such a big supporter of regulations during this campaign, I’m sure he had something in mind.
I will concede it is *possible* to tease a different meaning out of that comment, if one accepts that the less plausible meaning is more likely.
Which is *never* presumed when we’re speaking, unless the less plausible meaning is the more damaging one.
Completely unarmed.
Yes, B Moe, everyone but you is an idiot, and it’s perfectly okay for the MFM to hold Democrats to a lenient standard and Republicans to a harsher one.
Or we can decide what Biden’s intent was for him, concede the game and go get drunk.
Have you forgotten what blog this is? How is the Republicans acting as retarded as everybody else an improvement?
You don’t slip into a drawl to talk about regulatory shackles, and deregulating Wall Street doesn’t apply regulatory shackles to anyone. Charlie gets it.
B Moe, it’s Biden. Assuming he means anything logical or rational is itself illogical and irrational.
The fact that Biden was snorted or booed off that stage is a huge problem. That kind of pandering is just stupid as shit. That people appear to want it to happen is pathetic.
“that Biden was snorted” -> that Biden wasn’t snorted
Fine. Make a big deal about it.
Meanwhile Paul Ryan lied about his marathon times, what do you have to say about that?
The only big deal is that such a blithering idiot is a heartbeat away from being Commander in Chief.
Well, that and the larger race war that the Dems are fighting this cycle.
“Meanwhile Paul Ryan lied about his marathon times, what do you have to say about that?”
Toxic ludicrous demagoguery > bragging about a non political subject.
Who are you and what have you done with our B Moe?
What have you done with my Protein Wisdom founded on intentionalism?
Have you never heard the term “shackled by debt”? Biden said that’s what he meant, his statement could easily be interpreted that way.
Move on, there are much more important hills to fight over.
Yes B Moe, but we’ve also heard of lying, or for that matter, seen Joe Biden himself to lie. This is not a difficult choice to make.
And after the fact, that’s how he wants it interpreted.
Which tells us nothing about his intent at the time he spoke.
Furthermore, Biden is a member of the administration that has cranked the debt to $16 trillion. If anyone has been shackling America with debt, it’s been him and his.
Thus his defense is absurd on its face.
The statement was absurd with either interpretation. It was Biden.
I just see no reason to adopt the left’s tactics in this case.
Here there be ogres.
Romney is going to shackle people in debt by letting Wall Street write its own rules? That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Maybe it is what Biden meant.
Because playing nice has worked so well so far. Alinsky them where it hurts, says I.
“I just see no reason to adopt the left’s tactics in this case.”
In the case of push-back against what is taken for stirring racial strife, I fail to understand how you see that as adopting the left’s tactics. Therefore, I think you’re referring to something else entirely B Moe, which I apologize for my ignorance to ask, is what?
Does Biden own the intent of his words, or do we get to decide what he meant?
Jeff has spent a decade explaining how this shit works, do you guys really want to throw all that away now?
So we should think that Joe Biden has no idea how sensitively, exquisitely even, black American audiences take references to enslavement? And Biden is so stupid, he would blithely speak of tokens of enslavement without the least care how his tokens affect his audience? That in the heat of the highest political contest America has to offer, he would risk being mistaken in this way, and expose himself as an honest moron, and his superior, the President, as a moron for having selected a moron as his Vice-President, rather than intentionally introduce tokens of enslavement as a means of stirring the ill-feelings he knows perfectly well will ensue? Please.
Biden has spent a tremendous portion of his career as a greivance hustler. He has boasted many times of having a majority of blacks in his home state, as well. Got a gripe? Joe B’s your man.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
No, I think Obama does, via Axelrod. Just ask Cory Booker or Martin O’Malley.
Biden’s mentally incompetent to enter into an ownership contract.
…and owning the intent of one’s words is not license to lie about that intent after the fact.
1) Not to take Biden’s intent away from him, but to comment on it and its implausibility. I accept that he says what he says about what he says, but there is legitimate cause to doubt his honesty.
2) We don’t have to adopt the left’s tactics, but we do have to identify them and counter them when in use. like Newt did.
3) There are no hills, and our ankles are wet.
To expand the thought I half-finished; *I* accept that Biden said what he said about what he said, but that the supposed watchdog media accepts uncritically *only* what his side says… here is the problem.
I personally think he’s a dishonest backroom thug who can’t quite contain his thuggishness is public (it seems like every time he doesn’t know the camera is on him he’s trying to intimidate someone).