April 5, 2012

“Romney supports women at Augusta National”

Why, of course he does.  Just like Obama!

So.  For those keeping score — or are merely interested in seeing how language changes in near-real time — “severe conservatism” now entails support for stimulus; TARP; cap-and-trade; bureaucratic preeminence over religious conscience; federal minimum wage laws pinned to inflation; the idea that the motive of capitalism is the creation of jobs; the idea that a president’s policies won’t impact gas prices; the pragmatic, straight-talking realism that  suggests Americans need to learn that higher gas prices are inevitable; the idea that it is appropriate for the government to introduce a top-down model for health care; that an individual mandate is legitimate; that Reagan is someone you run away from, while Teddy Kennedy is a “friend” and Barack Obama is a “good man”; and that freedom to associate shouldn’t extend to private clubs.

Whereas if you find yourself to the right of those positions?  You’re guilty of unhelpful extremism deployed in your role as a Hobbity purist who wants to see Obama re-elected.

Yes we can!

(h/t Dale P and Paul Z)

Posted by Jeff G. @ 3:14pm
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Comments (126)

  1. mittens 2012: at least he’s not a communist!

  2. Mildred RomneyCare 2012: Better hair than Barack!

  3. Dear Mitt,

    Shut up. Stop wading into distractions like this.

    Sincerely,

    Leigh

  4. Thank God husky lesbians will finally have a place to play golf.

  5. Unhelpful extremist who want to see Obama re-elected

    I’ve been called much worse by much better.

  6. I am appalled to hear that they don’t let women into Augusta.

    How do those poor devils get their beer delivered on the back nine?

    Hah!

    See? The joke’s much more appropriate in this thread as opposed to the serious thread featuring Jeff and others taking an in depth look at various perspectives on social philosophy that I accidentally inserted it into.

    Or is it…?

  7. WOMEN AT AUGUSTA NATIONAL NOW!

    *I am Tiger Woods, and I support this message.

  8. Anyone who doesn’t think there are women at Augusta, obviously doesn’t get invited to the right parties.

  9. This is one of the many, many, many reasons we’re gonna go down hard.

    If the Obama distraction campaign announces, “Less filling!”…The Romney campaign’s immediate Pavlov Dog response will be “Tastes great!”

    And most will be too stupid to realize they’re selling the same goddamn product.

  10. So I guess we get to either vote for the slick, big government-favoring, narcissistic, mandate-loving, pandering politico, or we can vote for Obama.

    Yay!

    That tea party thing – we didn’t collectively hallucinate that, did we? Because it’s starting to feel that way.

  11. He is screwed either way. He says no and MSM hell breaks loose that he is against women. He yes, let women in, and he is pandering.

    I could not join Augusta, but I have a tendency to dump cow pies on the greens. So fair is fair.

    I note some of you guys gave Santorum a pass when he said Zimmerman was “malicious.” That seems a worse offense than this one.

    I am not thrilled with Mitt as the nominee. I cannot believe our choices were just Romney, Gingrich and Santorum. But if the choice is him (despite paulzumma’s pretty good description of him) or Obama, I am for Mitt.

  12. I have always said I’d vote for a ham sandwich instead of Obama, and Romney is at least as good as a ham sandwich.

    However, now I’m afraid he will disavow the ham sandwich in order to spare the sensitivities of people who like chicken.

    Romney 2012: Because tofu is too extreme!

  13. He is screwed either way. He says no and MSM hell breaks loose that he is against women. He yes, let women in, and he is pandering.

    That’s garbage. It’s easy: “it’s a private club to which I don’t belong, Mr News person. I defer to their membership, because I respect people’s right to associate freely. Having said that, I can tell you that I don’t personally belong to any male only clubs. Not because I think they’re necessarily wrong — I don’t think it’s the government’s business to dictate the makeup of my social circle — but rather because I tend to likes me the ladies.”

  14. Romney could have said nothing at all about Augusta. Which is what Santorum should have done with regard to Zimmerman.

    Feel better now?

  15. He is screwed either way. He says no and MSM hell breaks loose that he is against women. He yes, let women in, and he is pandering.

    So, if the MFM will ream you no matter what, how about giving the principled answer in accord with liberty and the freedom to associate guaranteed by…

    …oh, yeah. Romney.

  16. Is Ezra trying to make us feel better or worse?

  17. Jeff: Okay, that is a far better way to say it.

    Ernst: Yes, actually it does make me feel better.

  18. Levin had it right tonight – Sure, have women at Augusta, but shouldn’t we be worrying about all the women who can’t buy gas and groceries and get jobs in the Obama era.
    Romney has gotta get smarter and not fall into the”me,too” trap.

  19. I’m reasonably certain that nearly everything that comes out of Mitt Romney’s mouth, including when and where he spits, is dictated by polling data. If it would help him get elected, he’d say all the right things. Apparently their data suggests otherwise.

    With that being said, I’m going to assume there are going to be several things that come across his desk, once he’s elected, that he’ll get right. Not everything, but some things. That’s better than the guy in there now, who basically gets nothing right.

    As for Rick Santorum, he was never going to be President. He had a purpose, between Iowa and Michigan. Before and after though, he was/is just a guy. Personally I don’t care what he says or does at this point.

  20. As for Rick Santorum, he was never going to be President.

    yea nothing says presidential material as being a southside chitown thug/metrosexual.

  21. 1. Augusta National hosts an important men’s golf tournament every year.
    2. ?
    3. Augusta National needs women members.

    Just another variant of the vaunted underpants gnome thoery.

  22. Don’t we have some variant of this argument among the newsies every year when they play the Master’s? If chicks need their very own golf course: build one.

  23. I have always said I’d vote for a ham sandwich instead of Obama, and Romney is at least as good as a ham sandwich.

    I prefer my ham sandwiches without mayonnaise, so there’s that.

  24. If chicks need their very own golf course: build one.

    And they can host their own tournament too, call it The Mistresses.

  25. Heh. Seriously, this whole “debate” always makes me angry. If guys want to hang out, play golf, have some drinks and not have any women out on the course, why can’t they? No littering the place up with Ladies tees, no chicks golf wear in the pro shop, &c.

    Grown men have acknowledged their need for female free time for generations: lodges, bowling, golf, fishing, hunting, camping. It’s not a He-man Woman Hater’s Club. It’s a “leave us the fuck alone” club. I don’t know why my fellow members of the sisterhood don’t get this.

  26. Augusta National

    hey lets do howie raines one more time

  27. “I don’t know why my fellow members of the sisterhood don’t get this.”

    Whether they “get” it or not isn’t the question. Power, is the question.

  28. hey lets do howie raines one more time

    Man, I’d totally forgotten about that.

  29. It all reminds me of Andrew Sullivan going on about anything in the Catholic Church. He could leave anytime, but he is more interested in seeing them bent to his will.

  30. I had a boss in Alabama that was friends with Howell Raines from high school.

  31. Power, is the question.

    Then, they’re going about it all wrong. It works this way: you get to go away with “the boys”; I get presents.

  32. It’s a “leave us the fuck alone” club. I don’t know why my fellow members of the sisterhood don’t get this.

    But they do. Their position is that men must never be allowed to be left alone.

  33. Man, I’d totally forgotten about that

    well duke lacrosse no or etta al? my baal i wish these jerks had sumthing “original”.

  34. Then, they’re going about it all wrong. It works this way: you get to go away with “the boys”; I get presents.

    Except the “present” they want is power.

  35. too funny: stay out of the bushes:

    The former first lady endorsed Romney before the Super Tuesday primaries.
    Ads by Google

    “We have known the Romneys for years and believe Mitt is the best man to lead the country for the next four years and Ann will make a great first lady,” she said.

    Their son, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, also recently endo

    Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/05/george-w-bush-to-speak-in-pennsylvania-on-gop-presidential-primary-day/#ixzz1rE7qBS5n

  36. when do we get to tell the bushes: go f&ck your neo mexican juanta?

  37. I don’t know why my fellow members of the sisterhood don’t get this.

    When I can get a membership at Curves, then we can talk. Until then, I’ll be golfing and I’ll see you in a few hours. Or six.

  38. Ah, who am I kidding? I’ll be at the range. No, not the driving range. The other one.

  39. That’s fine. I’ll be at the day spa and making dinner reservations.

  40. Rob, presents = jewelry.

  41. No, that isn’t Acqua Di Gio, it’s gunpowder. Sexy, ain’t it?

  42. Although he did say it was their right not to do so.

  43. Although he did say it was their right not to do so.

    Damn sight better than the other two morons.

  44. support for stimulus; TARP; cap-and-trade; bureaucratic preeminence over religious conscience; federal minimum wage laws pinned to inflation; the idea that the motive of capitalism is the creation of jobs; the idea that a president’s policies won’t impact gas prices; the pragmatic, straight-talking realism that suggests Americans need to learn that higher gas prices are inevitable; the idea that it is appropriate for the government to introduce a top-down model for health care; that an individual mandate is legitimate; that Reagan is someone you run away from, while Teddy Kennedy is a “friend” and Barack Obama is a “good man”; and that freedom to associate shouldn’t extend to private clubs.

    Good grief, Jeff. This is almost all complete BS. Yes, he did support TARP, and he does attribute capitalism and job creation as being joined at the hip, but everything else is either false or a gross mischaracterization. For instance, Romney was the first to come out in an OP-ED against what Obama is trying to do regarding religious conscience and liberty. Where you get the idea he is for bureaucrats over conscience is beyond me and couldn’t be further from the truth.

    You sound like you are parroting TrickyRicky’s lies. And yes, he got booted out of office in Pennsylvania for lying to his constituents, just like he lies about Mitt Romney’s record and his own record now. He is a far cry from a conservative, unlike Romney, who is about as fiscally conservative as any politician on the scene today and lives a far more conservative private life than most. And whereas Santorum and Gingrich both have reputations for knifing their former friends in the back for their own gain, Mitt Romney is the rarest of the rare in politics, a good and honest man. Believe in America! He does!

  45. Good grief, Jeff. This is almost all complete BS. Yes, he did support TARP, and he does attribute capitalism and job creation as being joined at the hip, but everything else is either false or a gross mischaracterization. For instance, Romney was the first to come out in an OP-ED against what Obama is trying to do regarding religious conscience and liberty. Where you get the idea he is for bureaucrats over conscience is beyond me and couldn’t be further from the truth.

    Look at what he did in MA.

    Listen: I could give links to everything else, from his op-ed counseling Obama to copy the individual mandate to his ’94 debate performance distancing himself from Reagan (and his RomneyCare signing ceremony praising Ted Kennedy) to noting that Americans should get used to higher gas prices to his belief in man-made global warning and his insistence that it is the job of the govt to “do something” about it to his embrace of federal minimum wage laws tied to inflation. Fact is, I’ve documented every last one of these positions here.

    Hell, if anything, there are things I forgot to list.

    You sound like you are parroting TrickyRicky’s lies.

    I don’t parrot anything. But then, if you think Romney is a conservative, you’re liable to believe anything.

    Oh. And you do know that Romney the good and honest man has spent 91% of $30 mil on negative attack ads against his opponents, right? — and that his negatives are climbing among independents and moderates?

    Well, you do now.

    He is willing to trash conservatives but not Obama, who is a good man and not a socialist, by Romney’s lights. That’s all I need to know about the guy.

  46. Ann Althouse isn’t the only one who wants needs to be lied to.

  47. Over at Ace’s they had another thread about Mittens (Ace was trying to tell the Mittbots to tone things down a bit) and of *course* you get Dagny whoring herself out for Mitt. Calling everyone that won’t vote for Mitt a liberal. Fantastic! Way to convince me that I should suck it up and vote for him. Stuff like that will make me *less* likely to vote for him just out of pure contrarian stubborness. The fact that I’m in a putative swing state for the presidential elections makes it even better.

  48. The fact that I’m in a putative swing state for the presidential elections makes it even better.

    I have a good friend in northern Ohio who reviles Romney (calls him “Dullard Flip Rino”). The fact he lives in *the* swing state is giving him a great deal of satisfaction in this cycle.

  49. I have a good friend in northern Ohio who reviles Romney (calls him “Dullard Flip Rino”).

    Indeed, our friend’s refusal to vote for Dullard Flip is more meaningful than my own. I could vote for Romney 100,000 times in Maryland he’d still lose by 10 points. Which is why I find the fact that his victory in Maryland (among others) is taken as a sign that the campaign must end RIGHT NOW. Really, we’re going to let states like the one I am consigned to live in determine the Republican nominee?

  50. Calling everyone that won’t vote for Mitt a liberal.

    Guilty.

  51. Romney was the first to come out in an OP-ED

    …composed on an Etch-A-Sketch?

  52. When I can get a membership at Curves, then we can talk.

    Just because I am a white man is no legitimate reason to discriminate against me and exclude me from participating in the Black Miss America contest.

    I will look fucking great in full-body blackface and a bikini.

  53. i wanna be prezident of NOW

  54. There’s no way I’m joining in on this with entropy and newrouter without getting in trouble with pretty much everyone on earth.

    Including myself, which turns out to be the swing vote.

  55. …’cause I would name names of all the hot African-American chicks who discriminated against me when I was in college…

  56. OT: Olbermann is the gift that just keeps on giving:

    As promised, Keith Olbermann has sued Current TV for breach of contract, sabotage, and disparagement, claiming the network owes him tens of millions of dollars.

    In the lawsuit, filed Thursday afternoon in Los Angeles Superior Court, Olbermann claims he had a contract for five years, at $10 mil a year, but was fired without cause after one year.

    When Current TV announced last week it had severed its ties to Olbermann because the relationship no longer represented “the values of respect, openness, collegiality, and loyalty to our viewers,” Olbermann responded with a statement in which he vowed to file legal action against the company.

    Ahead of the lawsuit, Current sent Olbermann a letter late last month claiming he missed 19 of 41 works days in January and February, among other things.

    Keith, in turn, alleged in the suit that, not long after being enticed to leave MSNBC to do “Countdown” for Current TV, he’d discovered network suits were “dilettantes portraying entertainment industry executives.”

  57. linky

  58. The issue of no women members at Augusta is really the problem of the PGA/LPGA, which is a private entity. What they are doing is trying to

    1. hang “woman hater” on Romney if he supports Augustas right to Free association. Its just more of the WoW propaganda meme.

    2. Use his support of women to be members to portray Romney as a squish to piss off conservatives enough to stay home.

    What I will do is:

    3. Ignore this bullshit distraction for what it is; MSM ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT.

  59. What I will do is:

    3. Ignore this bullshit distraction for what it is; MSM ANTI-GOP PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT.

    We have a winner.

  60. A Governor who raises taxes, the most progressive tax increase that his state had seen at the time.

    A Governor who signs a pro-Abortion Bill, legalizing it for the first time in his State.

    His budget was twice the size of his Democrat Predecessor.

    He talked like a Conservative too.

    His name weas Ronald Reagan, Governor of California.

    Perspective, people.

  61. Reagan “talked like a conservative” before he did those things as governor.

    I don’t recall Mitt Romney ever doing anything other than try to mold his image to his audience.

    But since I’m stuck waaaaay out in the middle of fly-over country/Jesusland, perhaps it’s just that the subtleties of east coast conservatism are lost on me.

    To say nothing of the severities.

  62. Reagan destroyed the marriage contract too. Then there was the Lebanon unpleasantness and the resulting emboldenment of the Iranians. I’ve never been a Reagan worshipper.

  63. Anyone who thinks Romney is the answer needs to look over the questions again. Frankly I am suprised the JG keeps pointing out the obvious since to his supporters Romney is apparently wearing a splatter proof water repellent coat.

    But sure, lets point out the obvious flaws in the other candidates. Makes me want to puke.

  64. Slart, I think Olby will be frustrated in his lawsuit, seeing as how Current is run by two scumbag lawyers, Gore and Joel Hyatt (son-in-law of Senator Howard Metzenbaum D-OH)

  65. Fair enough Pablo. But ending stagflation and winning the Cold War compensate for any number of shortcomings in my book.

    I keep waiting for somebody to tell me something Romney’s done to earn the benefit of my good will. Hell, I’m still waiting to hear something he’s said consistently over the course of his public career that’s good will worthy.

  66. Fair enough Pablo. But ending stagflation and winning the Cold War compensate for any number of shortcomings in my book.

    Yeah, while “Reagan” has become something of a totem or word to conjure with, the credit side of the ledger is pretty impressive.

  67. Heh.

    As the old adage says: “When the law is on your side, you argue the law. When the facts are on your side, you argue the facts. When neither the law nor the facts are on your side, you pound the table. We will be happy to engage on the law and the facts in the appropriate forum.

    It is well established that over his professional career Mr. Olbermann has specialized in pounding the table.

    Which is why y’all hired him, ain’t it?

  68. NBC News Attacks Mormonism; ‘Invented Religion’ To Excuse Adultery

    And so it begins….

    “Mormonism was created by a guy in Upstate New York in 1830 when he got caught having sex with the maid and explained to his wife that God told him to do it. 48 wives later Joseph Smith’s lifestyle was completely sanctified in the religion he invented to go along with it, which Mitt Romney says he believes.”

    http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2012/04/04/NBC-News-Attacks-LDS-Church

  69. Jeff: per nr’s Whittle video @7:32am, you can add “thinks the Good Man Obama would never abuse his new-found authority to detain American citizens on US soil indefinitely, without an attorney or charging them with a crime, despite that being explicitly prohibited by the 5th Amendment” to the litany of Romney sins.

    Oh, and rest assured, Mitt wouldn’t abuse that power either… just like Obama!

  70. Its funny predictable that for the last year I heard how Romney was so electable – and that he was a repubulican a liberal could vote for because he wasn’t crazy like those other idiots running.

    The LDS attack was just waiting for the right day, and those liberals who announced he was a republican they could vote for are now saying he’s a liar and a flip-flopper.

    If only someone could have foretold this coming … it is just so unexpected!

  71. I have always said I’d vote for a ham sandwich instead of Obama, and Romney is at least as good as a ham sandwich.

    I hate to be picky, but could you offer up some evidence for the assertion in the latter part of your statement? ‘Cuz I’m still leaning toward ‘ham sandwich’ when I step into the voting booth.

  72. I keep waiting for somebody to tell me something Romney’s done to earn the benefit of my good will. Hell, I’m still waiting to hear something he’s said consistently over the course of his public career that’s good will worthy.

    But … the moderate liberals like him and could cross over are going to vote for Obama.

    Nevermind.

  73. re: August.

    Who the fuck cares? I don’t even like golf.

    Are men allowed into “Curves?” I don’t think so. I don’t see anyone blathering on about that.

  74. add an “a” up there.

    I still don’t fucking care, though.

  75. Ha. I see someone else mentioned curves.

    But honestly, wtf is up with that place? Someone should sue them for false advertising, because no one is going to lose weight and get in shape doing 30 min 3 times a week.

  76. When I can get a membership at Curves, then we can talk. Until then, I’ll be golfing and I’ll see you in a few hours. Or six.

    And I love it that it was my Pablo who mentioned it before I did. That’s why I stalk you.

    we’re of ONE MIND.

    /creepy internet stalker talk off

  77. Romney is a republican a liberal could vote for —not that they will when they have a better option— but they could live with him for four years if they had to (screaming bloody murder the entire time of course).

    Which is why he’s the wrong guy at the present time.

  78. Well, then what it comes down to is some sort of purity to lip-servicing conservative ideaa? Or maybe ackowledging that Governing is different than ideological adherence or coherence?

    Does Reagan talking more about conservative principles, prior to having violated them, gives him a pass to have violated them when he did, because of hindsight as to what he actually accomplished in another arena 5-13 years later?

    Thats what I mean by perspective. Because if RR were a candidate today, we’d be discussing those things and the contradictions between what he has said and written and what he actually did as a Republican Governor of a liberal state. We’d be properly holding him to account for his past. And we’d have no benefit of 20/20 hindsight to judge what he’d do as President.

    I would vote for a Governor Reagan over Incumbent Obama, despite him governing a bit from the left as CA governor, given no other choice.

    I am from CA. By the time the GOP Primary gets here, its usually all over but the wailing and gnashing of teeth. I guess I am used to always having Sloppy Seconds when it comes to picking the GOP candidates and have developed a thick Rhino hide about it all.

    See what I did there?

  79. I hope the LDS is ready. The leading edge of the storm is now here.

    It’s going to get much, much nastier. Expect the media to do long, lurid and breathless exposes “of this little-known and secretive religion, one with a controversial past” or some such.

    All in the name of educating the public, of course. And not to, say, drive low-info independent voters away from the weirdo cultist threatening their boyfriend’s reelection.

    You’re going to see crap worthy of the Know-Nothing Era.

  80. e is screwed either way. He says no and MSM hell breaks loose that he is against women. He yes, let women in, and he is pandering.

    That’s garbage. It’s easy: “it’s a private club to which I don’t belong, Mr News person. I defer to their membership, because I respect people’s right to associate freely.

    I like him a lot more if he’d give them a “FYNQ”.

    That would put Mittens just a smidgen ahead of that Ham Sammich.

  81. I hope the LDS is ready. The leading edge of the storm is now here.

    It’s going to get much, much nastier. Expect the media to do long, lurid and breathless exposes “of this little-known and secretive religion, one with a controversial past” or some such.

    It’s gonna be kinda fun because of Harry Reid.

  82. RSM’s been making a point recently, which I’ll paraphrase: if Santorum is supposedly unelectable, with with the icky morality and all that — which, of course, scares off the wimmenz, the moderates, and the libertines over at Ace’s — just you wait to see what the MSM does to Romney over his Mormonism.

    Apparently, there’s stuff in the Book of Mormon that will scare off those same three groups, as well as the non-trivial percentage of the SoCons that view Mormons as an heretical fringe cult and/or in league with Satan. (Me, I’ve got no god in this fight. I’m just sayin…)

    There are, apparently, 80 million self-identifying Catholics in the US, according to the numbers bandied about during l’affair Fluke. And there’s got to be, what, another 100+ million Protestants who accept Catholics as fellow Christians, and would largely agree with Santorum’s views if they were serious about their doctrine? Yet Rick’s “I’m Catholic, and yes, I actually believe that stuff and act as if I do” is currently portrayed as “too extreme for America”.

    Point: When they’re done with him, Mitt is going to dream of being merely as ‘unelectable’ as Rick.

    Only thing in Mitt’s favor: Obama is trying his darndest to be completely unelectable as well.

  83. Well, then what it comes down to is some sort of purity to lip-servicing conservative ideaa? Or maybe ackowledging that Governing is different than ideological adherence or coherence?

    Let’s just say that I’d be a lot happier if we had a candidate with clear principles, even if he had a history of compromising on those principles in the process of legislating or governing. What I get from Romney is a picture of a man of compromise, who occasionally talks about principles if he thinks he can take a momentary advantage from some talk.

    I don’t require purity, or perfection. I just don’t want a guy who will start any negotiations from a position so close to the middle that there’s no way the end result will pull back in the right direction. On a scale of 1 to 10, let’s say that Obama’s a zero (!), and Pelosi/Reid are around 1. I want a guy who lives up around 8 or 9, so that we might have a chance pulling the scales back to the middle. Romney’s a 5 pretending to be a 7, which means the best we can hope for from him is a weak attempt to nudge the scales to 2 or 3.

    That’s just unacceptable. Doubly so when you look closely, and realize that somebody has scribbled over the original numbers and written in Sharpie to make it look like “3″ is in the middle of the scale.

  84. Hey Jeff,

    Im wondering if the recent string of implosions of leftwing narratives is showing a turning of the tide with the effectiveness of the Alinsky lefts ability to control discourse using the media anymore? The only people latching onto these memes seem to be the true believers once it gets exposed for what it is.

    Their propaganda attempts to shape opinion by manipulating emotions aren’t sticking like they used to. I think ordinary conservatives and classic liberals are out Alinskying these clowns these days by just telling the truth and naming names, especially in social media at the grassrooots level. No, Im not talking about Establishment Party drones prating on about “civility”, which is just high class surrender. I’m talking about the rest of us. Posting on open comments on newspaper and magazine sites. Even on lefty sites like SFGate, alot of reader posted popular opinion swings libertarian-conservative, especially on taxes and government entitlements.

    It might be worth a post examining that.

  85. Squid,

    Excellent reply. Very good points. I’ll just have to hold my nose tighter come November. I have serious RHINO hide built up being from CA.

    ABO!

  86. Does Reagan talking more about conservative principles, prior to having violated them, gives him a pass to have violated them when he did, because of hindsight as to what he actually accomplished in another arena 5-13 years later?

    Thats what I mean by perspective.

    Since I’m neither from California nor old enough to remember Governor Reagan, I’m left without an adequate response absent several hours of research.

    But Mitt Romney would be unique in the annals of American presidential politics if he spent his entire political career portraying himself as a moderate to liberal Republican only to govern as a conservative once elected.

    And I’m not hopping aboard a bandwagon that I have every reason to believe is heading the wrong way, and no indication that driver wants to change direction.

    Governing is different than ideological adherence/coherence. That I’ll grant you. But it would be nice to know that Mitt Romney an ideology other than technocratic managerial pragmatism. That’s a recipe for a kinder, gentler second Obama.

  87. Nominating Romney guarantees that the rift in the GOP which we saw ’06 and ’08 will reopen. Electing Romney means the end of the GOP as a viable vehicle for conservatism.

    I’d love to be proven wrong.

    But I doubt I will be.

  88. Funny how Reagan had the Goldwater wing’s support and was hated by the GOP establishment. Despite being such a giant lib.

    Just like how Mitt the Washington Outsider is the overwhelming choice of GOP establishment insiders! Except, you know, completely different!

    Perspective, people.

  89. Apparently, there’s stuff in the Book of Mormon that will scare off those same three groups, as well as the non-trivial percentage of the SoCons that view Mormons as an heretical fringe cult and/or in league with Satan. (Me, I’ve got no god in this fight. I’m just sayin…)

    There is a lot of stuff in the BoM (starting with its origins), Smith’s rather dubious bonafides, the changes in doctrine, the excommunication of LDS who question the origins of the religion and so on.

    On the other hand, there are two potential points of backfire, one obvious–your average LDS is a decent, patriotic American who practices clean living. Demonizing can be a problem when the interpersonal evidence is to the contrary.

    The second is less obvious, but kinda funny: Smith explicitly compared himself to Muhammad. The parallels between the origins of the LDS and Islam are remarkable in certain respects: obscure middle-aged man claims new revelation straight from God correcting the corruption of His original message, angel delivers revelation, founder gets revelation saying polygamy is A-OK, founder establishes a city-state run on his own principles, and his followers flee persecution to establish new home in the desert. Really want to push the loony cultist angle too far, Larry?

    Now, the parallels pretty well end there–Smith was not particularly violent in anything save rhetoric (and he was lynched despite the fact he could have started a civil war in Illinois by resisting arrest), the LDS has proven to be remarkably willing to work with skeptical-to-hostile governments (ridding themselves of polygamy and racial discrimination). In the main, they are whole-hearted supporters of the American experiment and LDS members have served with enthusiasm and distinction in the military (Capt. Mervyn Bennion of the U.S.S. West Virginia). Then there’s that lack-of-theocratically-inspired-violence thing which is pretty important.

    But yeah, it is going to be interesting to see how this will play out.

  90. I don’t require purity, or perfection. I just don’t want a guy who will start any negotiations from a position so close to the middle that there’s no way the end result will pull back in the right direction. On a scale of 1 to 10, let’s say that Obama’s a zero (!), and Pelosi/Reid are around 1. I want a guy who lives up around 8 or 9, so that we might have a chance pulling the scales back to the middle. Romney’s a 5 pretending to be a 7, which means the best we can hope for from him is a weak attempt to nudge the scales to 2 or 3.

    Right. Romney moves the Overton Window the wrong way, or allows for it at least.

    That’s just unacceptable. Doubly so when you look closely, and realize that somebody has scribbled over the original numbers and written in Sharpie to make it look like “3? is in the middle of the scale.

    More like he’s filling in the left side of his 3 to make it look like an 8.

  91. Are men allowed into “Curves?” I don’t think so. I don’t see anyone blathering on about that.

    You’d think some enterprising journo would drop that question.

  92. Funny how Reagan had the Goldwater wing’s support and was hated by the GOP establishment. Despite being such a giant lib.
    Just like how Mitt the Washington Outsider is the overwhelming choice of GOP establishment insiders! Except, you know, completely different!

    I wish I’d have thought of that.

  93. Then there’s that lack-of-theocratically-inspired-violence thing which is pretty important.

    In general that’s true, but expect the media to treat Mountain Meadows as the rule that proves the exception.

  94. Hey I am not Romney guy I like these points. We need to know what we’re getting.

    I just can’t commit seppeku over it, politically. Too much RHINO hide, I know. The knife won’t go in.

    The Conservative candidates, for whatever reason, are not up to the challenge, according to the Primary voters so far, despite Santorums surge and I think it has little to do with their being mau-maued by the press. They’ve all done nasty things to each other via ads. They’ve all taken positions or cast votes totally at odds with their stated Principles. Some of them have done themselves with self immolation, like when McDonnell cast her lot in with the anti-vaccination kooks.

    While Santorums views are like Reagans, he sure doesn’t act like him. He comes across as a bit of a moral scold, rather than an inspire, to me. I am also a bit weary of the Big Government notions of socons concerning the Drug War and similar Federal programs supported by conservatives that have become boondoggles of their own, with ever expanding bureaucracies and police power.

    At least I KNOW Romney is a squish. The best way to control him is to get the House and Senate.

  95. At least I KNOW Romney is a squish. The best way to control him is to get the House and Senate.

    The issue isn’t that we need a Republican House and Senate to control Romney, it’s that Romney would likely be the one trying to control the House and Senate. He can’t afford those crazy wingers going too far and jeopardizing his re-election chances.

  96. The best way to control him is to get the House and Senate.

    With Mitch McConnell running the Senate and John Boehner running the House?

    That’ll work

  97. At least I KNOW Romney is a squish. The best way to control him is to get the House and Senate.

    that worked so well with gwb

  98. You fight the war with them that brung you.

    Or something like that.

    Hey notice I didn’t say we need Romney up there to drag Congress along. :P

  99. I am nostalgic for Bush right now. Obama makes me nostalgic for Gerry Ford.

  100. I think you meant to say Bachmann up there, SgtTed.

    Hey I am not Romney guy I like these points. We need to know what we’re getting.

    I just can’t commit seppeku over it, politically. Too much RHINO hide, I know. The knife won’t go in.

    That’s okay. They have jackhammers too. Whatever they need to use, they’ll use. Because us Visigoths are so unhelpful.

  101. You have a fair point about the futility of arguing with primary voters SGTTed. I think Santorum’s problems are more organizational —shoe string budget, skeletal staff and it’s too bad he hasn’t (and isn’t likely to) overcome that.

    The flip side of that is Romney’s run the way Romney’s run. And that is by using his organizational advantages not to promote Romney but to discredit his opponents. And that’s telling.

    As is his stance towards Obama.

    He’ll scorch the earth to win the nomination, but he won’t turn that flamethrower on Obama

    because that would setting his hair on fire for the amusement of the rubes.

  102. With Mitch McConnell running the Senate and John Boehner running the House?

    Not if we’re successful.

  103. That’s more a worthwhile endeavor than working towards the election of Mitt Romney, Squid.

  104. And there’s got to be, what, another 100+ million Protestants who accept Catholics as fellow Christians,…

    Not around here they don’t. We have horns and worship statues and the Virgin Mary. We’re going straight to h-e-double-toothpicks.

  105. I didn’t say they all did.

    And if the Good Christian Folk (Baptists?) you’re surrounded by think of the Catholics as a bunch of horny idolators, I can only imagine what they have to say on the subject of Mormonism.

  106. Why imagine when you could just ask Mike Huckabee?

  107. They think Mormons are a cult, just like every other religion that isn’t Baptist.

  108. Have a happy Easter all.

  109. Same to you and yours, Ernst.

  110. The next time you’re out on the course with your regular foursome, try a Nassau — if only for a couple of sleeves of balls.

    A last couple of words of caution: Betting is not legal in all jurisdictions. Players should be aware of local regulations before placing a wager. And players should always remember to never bet more than they can afford to lose. Set a budget at the beginning of a match and stick to it.

  111. Sanatorum did a me too on this?!

  112. I hope the LDS is ready. The leading edge of the storm is now here.

    It’s going to get much, much nastier. Expect the media to do long, lurid and breathless exposes “of this little-known and secretive religion, one with a controversial past” or some such.

    It’s gonna be kinda fun because of Harry Reid.

    Well, no. You assume that the other side cares about being hypocrites or acting with honor.

  113. I have a hunch the LDS has had a few decades to be ready for whatever the Obama machine might have up its sleeve.

    Romney, I’m thinking not so much.

  114. yea I meant Bachmann. Got my crazy all mixed up.

  115. That vaccination thing was the first Big Distraction of the campaign, and it set the template for all of them that followed — each serving to whittle the field down to the Etch-A-Sketch.

  116. horsepucky…. whatever distractions were out there were done by the MSM. Excuse me if you think I am out of line but rather than look at what each candidate stood fore many commenters here and half the republic listened to what distractions the MSM was pushing. What their Platform was and what the candidates where actually saying was debated ad noisome here and yet many had problems with one or all the candidates.

    Now we get (hopefully NOT) the shoe in the non existent Establishment wants. I can at least hold out a thread of hope that the delegates come to their senses.

    At any rate, not withstanding my inability to figure out how to make an icon (one worthy of ceiling cat lore) and my lack of higher education to not preclude my uunderstanding of JG’s posts or the comments (excepting those on dead white guys) on his offersings.

    I am not fooled and will not be a fool (though I do sometimes play one).

  117. for + fore … excepting the masters of course.

  118. ad noisome is a keeper. Cheers.

  119. Ok… so I admit I can’t spell check either.

  120. I can’t speak worth a damn either… Maybe I could be the pezident.

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