ELLI PEARSON: Well, we were protesting together, and the riot cops came at us, and we linked arms and sat down peacefully to protest their presence on our campus. And at one point, they were -— we had encircled them, and they were trying to leave, and they were trying to clear a path. And so, we sat down, linked arms, and said that if they wanted to clear the path, they would have to go through us. But we were on the ground, you know, heads down. And all I could see was people telling me to cover my head, protect myself, and put my head down. And the next thing I know, I was pepper-sprayed.
[my emphasis]
Case dismissed.
And no, it is not acceptable to scapegoat a couple of riot police or a university Chancellor just to quell the emotional demands of mobs, or to sate a public outcry manipulated by a hostile press. For context, consider: How many police have been injured nationwide in these “protests”? Because by this sophomore’s own admission, the police were trying to leave and it was the protesters who decided to prevent them from doing so.
Obama, Biden, Reid, Pelosi, and the majority of their activist arm in the mainstream press have supported and romanticized these scattershot, intellectually bankrupt mob actions, hoping to sell them as a coherent “movement”; with their new stimulus push — camouflaged as a “Jobs Plan” — they’ve pretended to be on the side of the “working man,” singling out police and emergency personnel as those whose jobs they are trying to protect.
But the truth is, the Democrats are torn between using these unionized civil servants as propaganda tools, and despising them as symbols of law and order in a country where they are guardians of a neutral rule of law instead of soldiers for a dictator running a police state.
We shouldn’t be fooled. And we shouldn’t stand-by and watch innocent people be sacrificed simply because we worry about the long-term implications of receiving negative press. The left is looking for its Kent State moment. Hell, they’ve been longing for it.
This wasn’t it. And given what’s coming, we needn’t pretend it was.
(h/t Adam Baldwin)
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update: And Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
For my part, we’ll be trying something non-traditional this year — not because I wanted to, but rather because the little armored Panzer rat blew most of our Thanksgiving shopping money on Sambuca, American Spirit cigarettes, and shoo-fly pie, then tried to fool me by carving what he thought looked like a turkey in a mound of Scrapple.
I don’t even want to tell you what he thought he could pass off as yams.
But enough about my problems. Have a great day, all!
I’m thankful that we celebrate Thanksgiving on Saturday so that I can watch three football games today.
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.
I really wish the cops would round up these kids and take them to the poley, especially the kids who are interfering eith the cops. That felony conviction will take care of all of their student loan problems since they will no longer be eligible. Win win.
Happy Thanksgiving, ya’ll!
Stripper poley or vaulty-poley? Into the pit with ya, chillens. heh. And Happy Thanksgiving Day.
DemocracyNow. Faugh, what could be worse? Barry Rubin just today points out what we know, but say all too infrequently:
Arrgh, it’s the fat fingers this morning. Pokey. Calaboose.
Hehs again leigh, as I pokey thee this national holiday, on the principle that it’s half-a-crime to let a juicily comedic typo go to waste, (notwithstanding the obvious proximity of the correct key on the key-board to carry the intentional weight).
My wife is working tonight, so we’re celebrating Thanksgiving tomorrow at her mother’s house. What I’ll be thankful for is that my mother-in-law has taken to keeping a bottle of Scotch at her house just for me.
The fact one bottle probably won’t be enough, isn’t her fault.
if nobody really got upset about the soldier what got bonked by a canister definitely for sure nobody’s gonna care about some whiny california students what encountered some noxious fumes
Regarding the bolded text, what if the quote came from a frat boy complaining that a coed maced him when he and his buddies were just having some fun with her. It seems to me that by this girl’s own admission, her group was for all intents and purposes engaged in kidnapping. You may say it’s different because the cops can defend themselves, but that only applies if they’re allowed to.
You have to be extremely impressed with the speed with which this movement has evolved, however. It only took them a few short months to turn a small collective into an inner city: different groups have their turfs, lawlessness is the norm and the cops who might protect people from each other aren’t welcome.
And we’re not living there, so there’s something to be thankful for.
Happy Thanksgiving, all!
“the soldier what got bonked by a canister”
You mean this soldier?
PTOOU!-GAAGH! YOU MEAN THESE AREN’T YAMS!!
no that was a different one here is a story about the one what got bonked in the head
This doesn’t seem to make any sense.
Enforce tuition increases? With police?
Also linking this again.
The Zombie post is useful background too.
would the anti-capitalist job-hating Obama administration miss an opportunity to rape a Texas-based company for 6 billion dollars and then hand that money to an overseas-based company?
nope
Yes, that’s Scott Olsen, the IHateTheMarineCorps.com guy. Semper Fuck You, as it were.
I am thankful for flannel sheets (even if they don’t match) and for my car stereo that plays MP3s off a 4-gig USB drive and for Amazon.com for selling non-protected MP3s for cheaper than iTunes and for time off from working so I can finally vacuum the spider webs off the curtains and for good weather this year so that driving from SLC to Boise isn’t an extreme sport and for Kroger® Sugar Free In An Instant Morning Boost Caffeinated Drink Mix (in cranberry, orange, and grapefruit, though admittedly the latter two aren’t as good because they don’t dissolve well in cold water) so that I won’t have to keep napping during the holiday and affordable gas so I can make it up here and even for Intermittent Cat, who is intermittent, for providing endless amusement.
And for pw, which provides a place for me to come snark at will.
What idiots. Amy Goodman really needs to rename her show to Socialism Now.
Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. The Ms. is doing poorly, so I’ll be off to my friend’s bar later for the Bird & Booze. I do not know if I can get him to make me a Hot Brown.
For fun take a look at that. The giveaway?
You see, it has to be something other than rotten Capitalism, but what, pray tell?
And you know, its maybe the first thing I’ve seen about Islam from a feminist.
Hey, Happy Thanksgiving to the pw crew and commenttarantinos! I emulated the President, and had ham and turkey. But no arugula, srry!
Oh, this I must share, from Ann Barnhardt (who hasn’t figured out how to assign permalinks to posts just yet…)
I’ll say it again: that gal is 99.997% pepper spray. Good for her!
ameritopia
Link
“My name is Ann Barnhardt, and I’m #OccupyingReality. ”
’cause getting the big wigs @ nbc to apologize is a defeat in annie’s book? that girl talks tough but she doesn’t go into enemy terrain.
Ann Barnhardt is as american as mom’s apple pie and 219% more patriotic.
annie fights like a girl
more ameritopia
Link
mark’s book roll out
we’ll be trying something non-traditional this year
We went with the monkey.
Happy Thanksgiving, all!
Cool quotes, newrouter, but the links don’t seem to be related.
Jeff, tell the panzer rat that according to my late grandfather’s description of cooked armadillo, ham on the half-shell is a real possibility. He can adjust his profile accordingly…
Link
Link
Though she hasn’t provided links to individual posts as serr8d stated there is much to read at her site so here is the link to Ann Barnhardt.
“Um, if you can’t see an ambush coming from Jimmy Flipping Fallon, ”
annie promote mittens you’ll alot more hits.
@33 supply your own “get”
Posted on November 24, 2011 by Scott Johnson in Conservatism, History
America’s first socialist republic
We provided the platform launching Professor Paul Rahe into the blogosphere.
nishiowenshinji
hey a dedication for annie the barn
Midnight At The Oasis
“cactus is our friend…”
Yowza.
Yeah, but this is California. Riot Police and University Chancellors are just varied manifestations of The Man. Man.
Wisdom is found in strange places. More, more, more.
hey annie you be a moosehunter? gabby stuff?
Every last punk-assed provacateur in that circle-jerk of fail ought to be expelled.
Which is why the chancellor will be forced to resign.
If anyone’s interested in the history of socialism in the U.S., as alluded to be newrouter in a number of comments, Daniel Flynn worth a read.
nishi said bye the other day… that she was hanging it up, at least for at time
i think that sucks
OT:
Some polling from Rasmussen.
What a candidate needs to do to get past the early States is to win either Iowa or New Hampshire or finish a strong 2nd or 3rd in both. The key however to winning will come in the South Carolina and Florida primaries which are the first winner take all ones. Winning one or especially both would go a long way toward winning the candidacy.
All the March primaries will be proportional allocation of delegates which will make anyone with a good early lead, made by winning SC & FL, alomst impossible to catch until the main group of primaries come in the Spring. Even then it would be hard as the bandwagon effect would be hitting if one candidate has a substantial lead in March.
I missed that hanging-up thinger. But, it’s for the best, at least until she finally grows a few flagella of wisdom with which to prop up her massively overbearing Bell Curve of intellidumbth.
Oh! ‘feets!
A beer for you. )
nishi said bye the other day… that she was hanging it up, at least for at time
i think that sucks
That can happen when people finally have a realization that they are completely and utterly wrong. They go underground for a bit in the hopes that when they return, the silly things they espoused with have been forgotten.
But I haven’t seen her around for almost 3 years now, and my memory is long.
it’s ok if people are wrong on the internet it’s just nice to see people engaged I think that’s the most important thing
Gaiaspeed, monkeyzonofoot!
I’m not saying it’s not ok to disagree or be wrong. I’m just speculating why one may take a break.
I wonder maybe she did have an epiphany of some kind
As much as I enjoyed disagreeing with her (although, perhaps I’m remembering it more fondly now?), I’m more than happy to “lose” an adversary and have them join the team.
A momentary lapse of unreason?
The difference between peaceful and non-violent protest? When you protest peacefully, you don’t get a facefull of pepper spray.
“We were protesting the presence of Campus Police at our thingy, so we joined hands to keep them from leaving.”
They make my cat’s behavior seem logical and well thought-out. And he’s an idiot. Even compared to other cats.
[…] Occupy movement functions as a magnet for these confused and/or hate-filled people. UPDATE: Jeff Goldstein at Protein Wisdom calls attention to one protester’s account of the now-infamous pepper-spray incident at […]
I’m supposed to care about people hassling the cops getting pepper sprayed?! When I was getting shot at by everything in the Iranian and Jaish al Mahdi arsenal, I would bet none of those knuckleheads even yawned, much less cared.
Oh, and that vet who got bonked in the head whilst fighting the cops in Oakland. Sorry, mate, you made you bed, lie in it. I am serving to stop the disorder and lawlessness you were spreading. So no sympathy from me.
Well, Colonel, you’re just a baby-killer! Just like my Colonel (USA, retired) husband was in Vietnam! Those kids are in college, man! You? You’re, you’re, well, youknowwhatyouare!
They really make me sick. I’m so glad my kids all occupy the starboard side of the electorate. And the bonked on the head soldier ought to go help out at the VA hospital instead of hanging out with the unwashed.
[…] Goldstein of Protein Wisdom sums it up perfectly… Case dismissed. And no, it is not acceptable to scapegoat a couple of riot police or a university […]
Yeah, LTC John, it annoys the heck out of people like him and his supporters that I don’t grant them “absolute moral authority” on the basis of their service. I remind them that past is not prolog: Benedict Arnold started out as a decorated American hero, then made the wrong choice.
Oh, and that vet who got bonked in the head whilst fighting the cops in Oakland. Sorry, mate, you made you bed, lie in it.
The irony is that they instigate violence, and then are SHOCKED when they get hurt. They are supposed to be able to agitate w/o the smallest bit of risk of harm to themselves.
And I thought they were down for the struggle.
A more recent example, one these history-challenged Owwies might recall, is Timothy McVeigh.
There is something that must be understood about everything done by the left. It is “stage managed”. Not exactly scripted but they set up the scene to maximize the probability of getting that one perfect photo-op or viral video.
In the case of the OWSies they station those who if hurt by the cops would be great victims right up front in the places that are most vulnerable. Vets, the disabled, children make for great propaganda when hurt.
This is done at all levels on their side. Do you think that Pelosi marched, huge gavel in hand, with the black caucus through the streets of DC for nothing back at the Obamacare vote. It was to set up a possibility of some racial slur being thrown by the Tea Party “racists”.
With a compliant media they can then claim that what they wanted to happen, happened, even if it didn’t, but the staging works even without the media compliance. Not every time but by loading the dice they will get the outcome desired eventually.
The various activist manuals are full of details of how to stage every event to get the coverage that favors their side. Rush on his TV show used to show how the Clintons did this too.
They are not shocked or outraged, they stage it to give an excuse to behave shocked and outraged. You are looking at a play not reality.
Well, I am as conservative as it gets. I thought what the cops did was stupid, unnecessary, and repugnant. These students were primarily protesting higher tuition. Every college student in the country should be out protesting higher tuition. The era of high tuition enabled by federal loans that can’t be discharged needs to come to an end. College tuition needs to be affordable again. If that means lower salaries for the education establishment, so be it.
Cardin, what the police did has nothing to do with what the students are protesting. What the police did is solely concerned with keeping public order, and to that end, was mild and thoughtful, both for the students sake and for their own.
Cardin, if they are protesting the University, then why are they surrounding the police? The police are not in charge of tuition. The truth is lefties just can’t stop themselves when it comes to these stereotypical relationships. Cops = pigs. duh
Honestly, the entire protest was stupid and pointless. Lefties should take lessons from the tea party on how to hold events to raise awareness.
You are right that the era of inflated college costs which ride on the back of, supposedly cheap, student loans must come to an end. However that is not what, even in terms of the single issue of student loan costs, that they are protesting. They don’t want lower tuition, lower college costs. They want someone else to pay those costs for them.
. The era of high tuition enabled by federal loans that can’t be discharged needs to come to an end. C
The ONLY thing that is going to make that happen is for kids to stop going to college en masse. Stop going for 5 and 6 years. For us to make sense of the entire process of education, where kids learn what they NEED to before they graduate from high school to get a job, and stupid jobs don’t need to “require” a college diploma for a job that’s only gonna pay $10 or $12 an hour.
No, it wasn’t. It was unnecessary, because the decked out riot cops were not in any danger whatsoever from the students. It was stupid, because the protesters wanted a confrontation, and the cops played into their hands.
Geoff, can you imagine if college education was free? OMG, it would be as highly valued as free high school educations.
Then employers would have to start requiring graduate degrees in order to find employees that could read and write.
Cardin, if all these students were doing was protesting higher tuition, they could have done so with their (parents) pocketbooks and gone to a less expensive school. The students need to be expelled for refusing to follow the directives of the campus police. These “kids” have already tried to occupy the Dean’s office and other faculty buildings (it’s just like the ’60’s, man!) and caused a lot of damage to buildings and grounds, as well as disrupting campus life for those who will soon be taking finals before Christmas break.
We’ve seen this movie before: the students take over the faculty buildings; the faculty capitulates to their demands, their demands continue to escalate. The Dean quits and a newer “hipper” Dean is hired. Fast forward 40 years and here we are.
The cops were completely surrounded. There was an entire CROWD of folks yelling “fuck the police”.
Cardin, I only assume you have never personally tried to move heavy inert weights the likes of linked-armed protestors? Nor suffered the back injuries that come with such territory? Nor do you consider the ease of injury caused to the protestors themselves, who, as one police offical put it, don’t come with handles. You really should take a wider more comprehensive view.
Has anyone calculated the costs of these “peaceful” protests? How much lost classtime (which equals forfeited tuition dollars, geniuses), overtime for police of all stripes, increased commuter time for those who live/work around the campsites of the Occuppiers—-no, I’m not conflating them, they are of a piece across the land—the costs of clean-up, EMTs and firefighters, et al? It has to be astronomical.
I went to a huge ginormous thanksgiving fulled of charming obamawhore types and not a word about the protest monkeys was spoken … it’s just not topical i don’t think in real life
It was stupid, because the protesters wanted a confrontation, and the cops played into their hands.
That’s a game you can never win. If the protesters want a confrontation, which they clearly did, then they will simply become increasingly demanding.
And, let’s not forget who is really complicit in this: the media. They are who presented the entire episode incorrectly.
leigh here is the story about *direct* costs what was circulating last week
Sure, but the tuition was raised after they started at the school. Universities really shouldn’t raise the tuition for students that are already in school. The education system is broken right now. Best estimates are that 30% of student loans are never going to be repaid. We have a new “education-government” complex that is to blame. Easy government loans plus high tuition plus no jobs upon graduation is a terrible thing. Lower tuition, get rid of the federal loans. I wish every student in America was out doing what these UCD kids are doing.
How do you justify giving bankrupt banks loans at 0.1%, but you charge students 6 or 7% for their loans? The interest is not even deductible, except for a small amount. I am not a student. I went to school in an era where tuition was low, and you could work your way through school, which is what I did. We need to bring that era back. The bloated education bureaucracy is supported by all these easy loans, which can’t be repaid. The taxpayer will be on the hook again.
And too Carin, the entire premise of “play[ing] into their hands” rests on the incomprehension of the public at large (displayed here by Cardin’s reaction), which is to say the ignorant opinion of the public at large. Is then the ignorant opinion of the public at large a more relevant consideration for the police as they make a decision whether to possibly injure themselves and the students, or handle the situation in a manner so as to avoid injury to either themselves or the students? I’d submit, it can’t possibly be so.
making the interest deductible would just make the problem worse I think
*fully* deductible I mean
I grew up in California, Cardin. There are two university systems that one preps for in high school. The UC system and the State system. The UC system is considerably more expensive than the State system, but both systems are much less expensive than universites in different states. As I understand it from an albeit cursory reading, tuitions were raised after years of faffing around about raising them because no one was brave enough to face the fact that costs are costs. I’ll return to my main point: most of these kids are there at an elite school, UCDavis is phenominal, on their parent’s dime and here they are pissing around on the quad instead of going to their Organic Chemistry lectures and labs. Davis has some of the most fantastic laboratory facilities of any Uni in the country, but I digress.
Anyway, one of them is going to take a swing at a cop and finally get cited for it. BAM! A felony record at the age of say, 19 or 20 and not a chance at that expensive student loan program or a decent job because who is going to hire a punk kid with a felony record? The lesson here kiddies, and one that I have taught my own chirrun: get a scholarship, work part-time while in school, pay your bills on time, build your resume, get a fellowship or an assistantship in grad school if you need further education, and stay out of trouble. My eldest is on track to graduate with honors from a top tier school in May. He’s worked the whole time, carried a full load of classes, drives an old car that he bought himself and has no debt. He’s waiting to learn about an assistantship at grad school in another state. If not, it’s off to work he goes. Work he is prepped for and has amassed a network of contacts for over the years while working as an intern in the field. It can be done.
Thanks for the link, happy. Ima go read.
Personally, I’d like to see us adopt a bit from the German system. Start tracking in high school for “higher ed” or trade school. Iffen you’re going to work in the service industry … there is NO reason to go to college. I don’t care if you’re in hotel management – most of that stuff can be learned on the job.
We’ve got to get it out of our head that people need to wrack up $80,0000 in debt (or even have parents pay that) for jobs where training occurs by doing.
Even elementary education majors- honestly. You can either teach a kid to read or you can’t.
Leigh, the tuition increase at UC Davis is 20%. Every student on campus should be up in arms about it. If there is a funding shortfall, let the Chancellor and the bloated administrative staff, and the professors that teach 3 hours a week all take pay cuts. Some things are worth protesting.
you don’t need a college degree to become a board-certified lactation consultant
That’s fo sho, Carin. Elementary Ed has one of the most grade inflated curriculums and student GPAs in any discipline. I’m all for bringing back Teacher’s Colleges and removing Elem Ed from the curriculum at the University. Removing the emphasis on sociology from teaching would be a good place to start in the interm.
The $80,000 in student loan debt is a handy untruth, as well. The average undergraduate leaves school with $24,000 in student debt or roughly the cost of a cheap car. The idea that the debt is “unmanagable” is BS. If that were the case, everyone would be walking and not driving. And, bonus! You don’t have to insure your student loan and it doesn’t cost more if you had crappy grades.
the tuition increase at UC Davis is 20%
So? This was telegraphed for years before it was implimented. Get a job like I did while I was in school. Restaurants are always hiring.
The era of high tuition enabled by federal loans that can’t be discharged needs to come to an end.
whatever happened to president gigglefart’s national service bullshit? I remember it passed but you never hear about it anymore.
I honestly don’t have as much a problem with the cost of college – it’s high, but that’s not my major gripe – it is that EVERYONE is encouraged to go to college. That kids don’t learn what they need to in high school and must incur the added expense. People go to college, and then later join the policy academy. Or work a trade. A friend of mine has two children – both good students – and one is now a longshoreman and the other is getting licensed to work on air conditioners. $24,000 (average – meaning many kids had NO debt, others had more – because personally I graduated with more debt than that 20 years ago) is still pretty good in debt if you are not going to be getting a particularly well-paying job.
It appears higher education is doing more for those institutions than the students.
SO many kids go to college, that merely saying you are a college graduate doesn’t mean shit. It used to have meaning – one that perhaps got you a leg up in interviews and perhaps paid off even if you had a rather useless degree. It doesn’t do that anymore.
Leigh, if I was a student at UC, I’d be protesting too. The tuition increase is going to pay bloated pay like the Chancellor’s. A 20% tuition increase is entirely unreasonable. University pay has been rising much faster than inflation for decades. It is time for that to stop. I have no idea why ostensible conservatives are siding with the liberal academic establishment in this. Non-violent freedom of speech and protest is a right. There was no reason for riot police to even be there. The question is “are government workers going to continue getting more and more off the backs of poor students and taxpayers, or is enough enough.”
Blocking public spaces is not. I myself doubt your claim to conservative bona fides on that lack of judgment alone. But as with free speech rights, so we have dupe for the left rights as well.
If I were a student at UCDavis I would be thanking my stars that I managed to get into such a fantastic school, damn the tuition. It’s half what it costs to go to Cornell. As to the Chancellor’s pay: this is a nonsensical argument, much like the one about CEOs. It’s not as if the job of a CEO and the job of a janitor are interchangable, and neither are the jobs of the Chancellor and the students he/she oversees.
The riot police are on campus because the students are refusing to disburse and the chance for harm to the students themselves and to the facilities at the University is great. UC Davis’ laboratory facilites have been vandalized many times in the past, destoying many years worth of research. Expensive equipment and laboratory animals have been destroyed and harmed by misguided vandals thus setting back the search for cures to what ails us and further burdening the citizens with costs as those cures is driven up.
the 20% tuition hike is cause the failshit state of california can’t afford to shovel money anymore at these failshit bloated greedy universities what show no inclination to control costs
if these dumbass pampered obamawhore college fucks really wanted to protest tuition hikes they’d stop paying the tuition and find a path to their futures where they didn’t willingly submit themselves to tuition rape I think
“I have no idea why ostensible conservatives are siding with the liberal academic establishment in this”
Yeah, that’s what is going on here.
If the discussion was tuition costs, we would have a different take. My personal would be, it is a good example of what happens when government subsidizes something, and a harbinger for Obamacare.
That’s not what we are talking about though. We are talking about students protesting the bill for something they bought of their own free will, them occupying public space(actually blocking students trying to get to class where they can actually get their moneys worth being educated), and what the police can and should do about the situation.
So Cardin, what should the police have done? Used something other than pepper spray, or just ignored that 20 people were disrupting the education of hundreds?
i bet if the piggy piggy union whore cops had taken dumps in front of where the whiny whiny obamawhore protesters were sitting they’d have even better and faster results than with the pepper spray
these people a lot understand the language of poop
Well, Lee, the cops could have just mowed down the protesters in a hail of bullets like the heathen Chinese, but we don’t do things that way here. Although, I almost suspect that the protesters would be more than willing to sacrifice someone for Teh Cause. Who that someone is, remains to be determined.
In-state tuition there is less than my school cost 20 years ago, and it took under five years to pay back all that I borrowed. It kind of makes me want to pepper spray these whiny douches myself.
because the protesters wanted a confrontation
What they wanted was something spectacular, to be followed by formal complaints of excessive force (all of which require investigation) and lawsuits.
Instead what they got was watery eyes and snotty noses, which, with the help of fellow travelers assorted mobys, they attempt to spin into atrocity.
No sale.
at this point after Kent State everyone was still all abuzz I bet
Mebbe they can dredge up Neil Young to write some whiny screech about the horrors of topical habanero extract.
I think all of the geriatric rockers and folk singers have already put in a token appearance. Maybe some Peter Maxx type wannabe can design a must-have poster. I love that Jay-Z was selling t-shirts with an OWS insignia and not sharing the do-re-mi with the protesters. What a capitalist pig, man!
We are talking about students protesting the bill for something they bought of their own free will.
No, we are talking about students already enrolled protesting a 20% tuition increase that is scheduled to take place next year. I hate Obama and Obamacare, and I can hardly think of any issue that I don’t come down on the conservative side. There is never a recession in the public sector. There needs to be one. I am mystified as to why conservatives think there is justification for a 20% increase in tuition to pay bloated public service employees. If it was 50% increase, would it still be wrong for them to protest?
I can see there is no getting in the way of the dirty hippie bashing fest going on here. Carry on.
No one here denies these simpleton students any right to protest. So quit with the strawman. They may protest all they wish, though without endangering themselves, the public at large, or trampling on the free movement rights of others. If they genuinely propose to make the political situation better, they might do well to include with their protest an explanation of their views of change for the better. If they persuade the public, and through their efforts effect peaceful change for the better, fine and good. But mere caterwauling and howling at price rises isn’t a useful way of going about it.
Are the students locked into attending the offending schools next year? If not, then transfer. Easy-peasy. It’s not as if they weren’t given a heads-up. Your landlord can arbitrarily raise your rent and your mortgage holder can sell your mortgage to a third party. Your credit card companies can decide that you are risky and raise your APR to 28%.
Are you suggesting that all pricing for all goods and services remain static for all time? That’s called price fixing and there are laws against it. College is not a right and a college education is not for everyone. The world needs plumbers, electricians, hair dressers and AC repairmen, too.
“I am mystified as to why conservatives think there is justification for a 20% increase in tuition to pay bloated public service employees”
Show me where anyone here has said there is justification for a 20% increase in tuition.
Personally, my problem with you is this: “I thought what the cops did was stupid, unnecessary, and repugnant.”
The protesters purposefully engineered a situation that demanded police action. They got what the wanted.
Again, leaving aside any justification you might have for the protest, what do you say the cops should have done?
You disturb the peace, you pay the price.
If me and my pals form a circle around you and refuse to let you out, we’ve kidnapped you; you’re being kept in place against your will. The officers were being held against their will and they responded appropriately as far as I’m concerned.
And there’s better money to be had doing those things than in picking up a —n—studies degree.
Probably true for the humanities as well.
Course if you really want to talk about fascist pigs and their union thug mentality, here’s a good kicking off point:
If you think it costs too much, don’t pay.
If we are to be scrupulously honest, the tuition was raised nearly a decade ago when the Deomocrat policy train of events in the State, running an increasingly out of balance budget with the complicity of weak Republicans, with ever higher shortfalls, had begun. The best time to protest, had these silly children and their parents been paying attention to their loss of freedom, would have been many years ago. These price rises were perfectly foreseeable, as are those which are coming to other States and other State provisions of service all across the nation. Oh, but it’s mean to insist that ignorance is no defense. These poor creatures should protest themselves.
Exactly, Ernst. Not only that, those jobs are resession-proof. Same with being a master mechanic.
they can always pay it back later in cheap plentiful obamadollars
I guess it is out of the question to, you know, get a job and save up for school first. Back in ancient times when I was in college, I knew a number of guys who had done some really difficult, but well paying jobs for a few years (mining copper in Arizona, working on the pipeline in Alaska, working on oil platforms in Texas, for example)and then gone to school. Me, I waited tables, tended bar and sold cars to put myself through school.
My brother set up savings accounts for his ungrateful daughters’ college that were tax deductble. They repaid him by taking a useless major and dropping out, respectively.
this is the first I heard of this
stupid site doesn’t let you link comments
what the eff do these losers think they accomplished exactly?
everyone’s all atwatter about the bath towel thing at a walmart in michigan but everyone looks like they’re having a good time really
here’s the video of the san diego thing they do that creepy repeating thing on and on I don’t know why their security put up with this for so long
i like the sparkle thing with joey hairplugs
this is gonna be the mostest dumbest election ever I can tell already
it’ll be fun like watching two trains collide
bam!
oh noes
David Frum
I might have to leave the party if it nominates someone other than Romney or Huntsman
it’s time for Santorum, Bachmann, and Perry to go bye bye so we can find out who not-Romney is I think
and Huntsman for God sake’s have a little dignity you disgust people on a visceral level and you need to stop reveling in it
it’s deeply weird
everyone should stay in. its only 39 days til political spin theater. its going to be awesome.
i’m bored though
you need a joey hairplugs what sparkles. hours of joy. just don’t do honey roasted almonds that recipe needs tweaked.
i’m glad you said that
You shouldn’t get our hopes up like that Davey,
you dirty tease.
some frumpster advice
link
You know I was thinking about the use of pepper spray for a while.
I really prefer the fact they’re using it versus any other chemical deterrent they could be using because everything else has a profile that includes fatalities in it. Including chemical-free restraint, tasers, rubber bullets, etc.
But hey accidentally killing people to spare them from pepper spray is cool I guess?
pepper spray can be fatal to asthmatics
i read it on the internet anyway
how about lemon-pepper spray?
mmm lemon-pepper spray
with a side of fake butter spray
@hf: anyone with a respiratory condition is potentially at risk but it’s a lot more favorable risk curve than stuff like CNS depressant gases.