The operation to penetrate his compound, remove his security, and take out Osama bin Laden, took 38 minutes. The burial “ceremony” that proceeded his watery disposal as a bobbing shroud of dead terrorist meat took 40 minutes.
This? I can’t say. Just tossing it out there, for what it’s worth.
Full disclosure: writing this post took 2 minutes, 24 seconds.
(thanks to JD)
I was told we wouldn’t have to do any math…Besides, I’m better with letters than numbers.
All this sounds plausible, but did we ever find out if Ulsterman’s contact is fictional or not?
I have a hard time keeping track of these things.
I am going to respectfully disagree with Ms. Geller on this one. I do not know what President Obama was waffling about (I am not defending that), but about the decision to send special forces to actually kill and recover Usama Bin Ladin. Yeah it was high risk, but I am sure that team was completely into doing it. I do not want to put people’s lives at risk without good cause, but there is something about certainty of a kill that you would not get from a drone bombing. And if they recovered a treasure trove of documents and computers from the safe house as they claim–that alone justifies the risk. I am not sure what happened to the other survivors in the house. Were they released to the Pakistanis or were any of them taken into custody (they probably could not have taken them all with only three operational helicopters).
Which makes the whole 24 hour burial at sea thing so strange. I am all for disposing of the body in a manner that avoids a shrine (which burial at sea does). But at a minimum have some third parties view the body on board the ship before you tossed him over board.
Who is this Ulsterman dude and what’s his track record? It’s certainly plausible. Comforting even, to think that our boys in brass know a punk when they see one. How credible is this source? Anyone know?
I have my doubts. But the amount of time Obama spends campaigning and golfing and playing — and delegates the specifics of things — gives the thing an air of plausibility. Which is in itself a kind of indictment.
I just posted it because I found it kinda interesting, if a bit on the conspiratorial side.
A coup within the White House? Maybe that is why Plugs was working his rosary, he was afraid someone in the military might take a shot at him.
I am doubtful. But the leak about where the intelligence came from? That I can believe was something unauthorized.
Great egret line by the way, Pablo.
When I first saw that picture my immediate reaction was that it looks like Obama is a wallflower at Hillary’s party. I wouldn’t rule out that account at all.
Everytime I read one of Ulstermann’s “conversations” with his insidery source, I start hearing Hal Holbrooke talking to me from the shadows. And if that’s what I’m hearing, I figure that’s what Ulstermann is hearing as well, which tells me he sees himself as Robert Redford. And that in turn means these clandestine tete-a-tetes go on in the parking garage of his mind.
Obama looks like a man child sulking in the corner. That’s a terrible picture of the President of the United States.
And by terrible, I mean great.
Here’s more (and newer) of the same.
That sure sounds like our Bumblefuck.
As much as I love the idea of a CIA coup (gasp!) saving O’Bumbles from himself, I can’t credit it.
I can’t help but think “Hillary.”
Business as usual for the Dems? Oh yeah.
How so, Pablo? As Ulstermann’s insider’s “source”?
She’s certainly bitter and twisted enough, Ernst, but I don’t see her as that reckless.
A poster at JOM which I think put this account into some context so I’m pasting it here for examination:
It’s too good to be true; too detailed in the wrong places, e.g. ” The president had been instructed by Jarrett to inform Mr., [sic]Panetta”, “Jarrett refused to allow the president to give that approval.”
Also, I believe as a matter of law, that JSOC can only carry out an operation with a presidential directive. Panetta, Clinton, and Gates could have planned the whole thing, but I don’t think the helicopters would have taken off on just Panetta’s say so.
He gives actual golfers a bad name. I bet he gives himself putts.
That makes sense, Stephanie. But I’m violently allergic to fog of war/anonymous insider bullshit whether I like what I hear or not. That’s what I get for reading Newsmax and WorldNut Daily in my 20’s.
Perhaps not directly, but ultimately in the scenario I’m imagining.
Keeping in mind that Panetta is a Clintonista, and that Gates and Petreaus are adults, and can see her scheming her way around Jarrett and the Ditherer in Chief, particularly if Daley could be convinced. Taking Osama out is a no-brainer at this point.
It will be interesting to see if Jarrett soon finds herself needing to spend more time with family.
“I” can see her scheming…
that picture of the situation room showed baracky as not having a seat at the table. so there’s that.
Guy should play more golf.
Abe, I am too, but I also take the adage about ‘kernels of truth’ and add ‘the art of misdirection’ and apply them to see if the conjecture can be confirmed by narratives. Sometimes it is the small, seemingly innocuous, off the cuff remark that is thrown out there that is more enlightening than the in your face stuff they want you to see. And embellishing, serial liaring, narcissistic personalities and their fluffers can’t help themselves.
It’s who they are. It’s who they want to believe themselves to be and to be seen as being. They want to be seen as ‘in the know on the good stuff’ and will throw the MBM some bones to let them know they are getting the real poop from a true believer and to give themselves some skin in the story. And those bones and skin will form the true body of the narrative that is at odds with the official one, but is probably truer to the details than the official one.
As they say it ain’t the crime, it’s the cover up – it also ain’t the reported facts, it’s the tid bits that reveal the truth.
As to their narrative that they conducted a memorial service that lasted 40 minutes, I will note that burials at Arlington are requested to be 10 mintues long and no longer.
I hope that tid bit they tossed out for muslim consumption bites them in the ass…
The Insider’s account, which says Panetta was the one who ordered the raid and Obama had no idea what was going on until they grabbed him off the golf course.
So.What? Panetta is the president now?
i was reading this: 7 Minutes Vs. 16 Hours: How The Media Reports Delay
first thing that came to mind: dude was trying to find a way to vote present.
Various factions all trying to come out on top might explain how the story of a raid that they watched live on video keeps changing
Bingo, geoffb. And they each have to add their little spice to the pot.
Actually, 40 minutes to get an entire carrier crew to drink a quart of water and line up to piss is pretty good time.
Don’t forget the time it takes to cut up all the fish and pork entrails for chum.
newrouter: Agreed, why the delay? Seems like you start getting things into place immediately (SEAL team and drones) just in case you see some movement from the compound.
If I were a pro-Obama guy, I would see all this conjecture as sour grapes nonsense. If I cared enough I could play devils advocate and effortlessly counter all the speculation.
If this mission turned out bad, there would be no question it belonged to Obama, just as Carter owns the failure to rescue the Iranian hostages. It seems inconsistent to say otherwise in success.
Yeah, too many red flags on this one. It’s hard to believe that Panetta let alone the JSOC would go wild weasel without CinC’s explicit orders.
Further, if Paninni was the one that railroaded Obummer into the operation, why would he be transferred to the Pentagon and not the Post Office?
I can see Executive Office subalterns circumventing Valarie Jarette for a variety of things but not one that would and has thrown our Paki ‘alliance’ into the fire for all to see. Too visible, too many cascades being set up for this to be believable.
“Too visible, too many cascades being set up for this to be believable.”
maybe but alot of cascades going on about what happened. me classic baracky. it turns to poop.
PS. That ‘treasure trove’ of intelligence collected during the raid?
Toast. Useless. No AQ or ISI reference contained therein are now completely without use.
Obummer’s ego vetoed the CIA and Pentagon in the timing of the release of the raid info. I don’t think even Carter would have hung up on the intel guys in order to rip-saw a fresh election platform step.
The man-child strikes again.
oh the humanity dept. where’s lindsay graham!!11!!
link
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this calls for some harry chapin Cat’s in the Cradle
Obama knowing of and sitting on Osama’s whereabouts for 3 years, forced to act by…WikiLeaks?
more dish
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From that linked document…
From that same document, however, the detainee’s ‘writing on the wall’ ‘damaged government property’. Spitting on a guard, ‘physically combative’. A plastic shank, ‘possession of dangerous contraband’. There is evidence of overstatement, IOW.
Valerie Jarrett? Seriously? That Ulsterman piece is garbage. There’s no way even BHO would allow such a guttersnipe as Jarrett that much influence over Him.
Why, M’Chelle might find out and would sit on Jarrett!
I believe BHO was idly involved, at arm’s length, until the time came to either place blame or take credit. He sat there in the Situation Room, distant and ignored, looking like he’d bet a couple grand on a basketball game that could go either way. His mind likely raced with ways to spin another failure, if one occured, on someone else. He probably released the Trump-destroying birth certificate just as a stress-relieving exercise, a personal distraction he could toy with.
Jarrett might be an on-the-side piece of ass, but she’s not anything that would get in the way of BHO’s massive A-bomb narcissism. She’s not even in his league.
Funny, cause the folks I know who are plugged in in Chicago say Obama doesn’t take a dump without consulting VJ. She’s invariably described as his handler.
“Daley successfully kept Obama and Jarrett insulated from that order.”
chitown buds looking out no? oh the daley babe hil is involved. gaffamatic w/hairplugs
For what it’s worth.
That is not their history. She is his Rove, except she was both Obamas’ sponsor into the Chicago machine. She’s probably one of very few, like maybe two, people that can grab an earlobe and make him come.
Other mysteary solved…
that can grab an earlobe and make him come.
That is an interesting skill. I have been tugging on my earlobe ever since I read that. No luck. Will keep trying.
Still trying.
Oh my.
This is getting entirely too weird. They can’t possibly be that amateurish, can they?
JD, I think the ‘earlobe’ has a horned spike attached…
And no, you don’t want to google it.
It helps if you’re being dragged, JD.
Yes! They can!
JD, remember, docs say never put anything in your ear smaller than your elbow. Must be you’re working with a small tool.
Thank you special forces.
Still tugging on my earlobe. Still cannot figure out how pulling on your ear can make you cum” but I will find out. Maybe yu Ned Dumbo sized ears like Teh One.
Looks like someone else knows a little math
“NBC News reported that Obama invited former President George W. Bush to attend the event but Bush does not plan to attend.
NBC said Bush plans to mark the 10-year anniversary of 9/11 at ground zero in September”
Abe and Bob,
Make sure you bring the bullhorn cus the prompted one needs a lesson!
It would be nice to see Rummy start getting some of the credit he deserves.
Don’t think it will happen, but it would be nice.
Ernst, there was a 1987 Tom Clancy book wannabe called State Scarlet. The plot is unimportant, but one point involved the President being in Moscow for an emergency summit. The President is worried he’ll be taken hostage or killed, and the officer with the “football” is reassuring him that there are several other people (VP, SecDef, SecState, NSC, etc.) who can all order the nuclear launch if he’s killed.
So yes, jugears could be bypassed if the right people agreed to it.
*It would be nice to see Rummy start getting some of the credit he deserves.*
Obama singlehandedly pulled this off. He planned the mission, flew the helicopters, repelled into the compound, killed Osama’s body guards then had a Howard’s End moment with Osama before personally shooting him.
No credit goes anywhere but to the One. Racist.
I’ve been seeing Ulsterman’s “inside source” stuff for a while and events haven’t tended to back up the alleged scuttlebutt. ‘Sall I’m gonna say.
Glenn Reynold’s take
Abe and Bob,
Make sure you bring the bullhorn cus the prompted one needs a lesson!
I wish I was that kind of wingnut. But I’m more of the writing “Obama suckz ballz” in permanent marker on the bathroom walls in bars sort.
Glenn Reynolds’ among others has trouble with the sourcing. Understandable. But the source would be gone if it were exposed. This was the same issue faced by Woodward and Bernstein w/ Deep Throat. So, yes, the sourcing it problematic, just as it was during Watergate. But the thing about this potentially explosive story is that it’s far more consistent with the Obama we know than the current WH narrative. Not that that’s proof of anything. But what’s needed is information that we can trust only an insider would know–or some second source verification of details we can safely assume no one external to the core WH circle would know. If any of this is true, we might expect further details from an insider with a major pang of conscience (or serious political ax to grind). We can also expect the story to be ignored, dismissed, or assaulted until one of those tactics makes it go away.