What is feminism, and who gets to decide?
Well, one way to answer that question is to look at who certain “feminists” label “anti-feminists.”
There.
I win.
****
update: Oh. And KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY UTERUS!
What is feminism, and who gets to decide?
Well, one way to answer that question is to look at who certain “feminists” label “anti-feminists.”
There.
I win.
****
update: Oh. And KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY UTERUS!
It has taken long to learn this some some fights are not worth fighting.
And I am not discounting anything Jeff is noting through those links.
Disagree.
Feminists are a miserable bunch who hate men, and children and dogs. Yet they need men to have children and they all look like dogs.
Al, I am talking about Little Miss Attila.
But let me respond with some jokes:
Q. If February is Black History Month and March is Women’s History
Month, what happens the rest of the year?
A. Discrimination.
—–
Q: How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: That’s not funny!
——
Q. How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
A. None. It’s not the lightbulb that needs changing.
—–
I like that Lost Dog rant at the last link. Quite so, Dog. Quite so.
Feminists are one of those groups that feel that they only have power when they are, well, grouped. Individually, they claim to be powerless which reveals a lot more about them than they realize. Together they want to be bullies; individually, victims.
When they figure out the inherent problems with that, I might begin to take them seriously.
nice triplet Joe.
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Hold on. There’s got to be a death threat in there somewhere…
Neither “liberal” nor “feminist” were considered insults until after the Marxist class warriors co-opted the movements to their own ends. There’s a lesson in there somewhere.
pot stirrer
There were DEATH THREATS laced all through those old posts, I just know it. Sure, I can’t show you an example of one, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t there.
I agree that Lost Dog’s comment really needs to be taken to heart, and not just by women.
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The word “feminist” is garbage, a damaged brand. Anyone who really thinks winning an argument over what it means is some kind of accomplishment, deserves to win that argument.
All hail the Queen of the Garbage Heap! Crown her with coffee grounds and cast banana peels at her feet!
Bah.
update: Oh. And KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY UTERUS!
I’m pretty sure that in the Age of ObamaCare, the new chant is MY UTERUS NEEDS GOVERNMENT ATTENTION!
(Once the OB/GYNs are all federal union employees, they’ll keep the speculums even colder. Count on it!)
Do you keep your uterus in a jar on a shelf in your closet?
All the lonely feminists, where do they all come from?
Feminist Bertha throwing tomatoes at women who want to be wives.
Run for you lives.
I have to add my thumbs up to the Lost Dog comment. That was a thing of beauty.
Why can’t Americans be more like the Dutch?
the Lost Dog comment:
Which, yeah is what I said above, but way better. With more of what the current crop of feminists would call ‘bitchiness’ cause ‘you just don’t feel my pain’ or some such drivel.
I’ll also keep my hands off your miter box, just to make sure.
It seems to me that if LMA wants to define “feminism” her way by appealing to Goldsteinian Intentionalism, then she must also allow RSM to define it his way, and recognize that when he uses the word, it doesn’t mean what she means when she uses it.
I can’t see where she groks that.
Stacy McCain at a recent rally?
cranky-d, I’m sure the death threats in that post is somewhere in the “penumbra”. You can always find them if you have the correct political views.
That is pretty much how I feel. I’ve had very useful discussions with the psych I’m seeing (seeing a psych, on meds–yeah, I am pretty busted but it’s more as a consequence of brain aberrations and unpreventable family stuff than anything else; my parents are awesome, I just drew the short stick on genes) on how women do feel and behave differently than men w.r.t. standing up and taking what we want, but the solution is to stand up and take what you want, not lament the fact you’re wired differently. Or the world has trained you differently, or that you’re born with a different set of instincts and two X chromosomes, and we need to make everything “fairer” because women are more timid.
I have always thought it reasonable to negotiate with your family and close personal friends about that kind of stuff–to say “I have a hard time standing up for myself; can you help me in our personal dealings?”. Once you get outside that circle, you can’t expect the world to understand or sympathize. Not because there aren’t sympathetic people out there (there are; and then there are people who can’t understand; and then there are people who will act sympathetic and then abuse you), but because part of growing up is being able to deal with this stuff on your own, which means not asking for special dispensation for failings that YOU can outgrow.
Granted all of this maundering does not make me any less depressed about the fact I still need to hide the fact I’m female in the gaming community, because shit’s crazy there if you’re a girl. Seriously. I have no love for establishment feminism, its tactics, or its screed, but I too often find myself repeating stuff I’ve heard from them just to get people off my back because of the assumptions that get made the instant anyone I don’t know finds out I am a) female and b) engage in the Fine Art of the Viddyuhgame. This is undoubtedly due to the higher concentration of uncivilized, immature asshole per capita ratio in the communities I frequent, however.
Jeff has a uterus?
No wonder I flunked 9th grade biology!
Jeff is an authentic feminist!
It’s true.
And I am an authentic Goracle spitting out many smaller Goracles.
U.S. out of his ovaries !
scroll down five
The Marxist class warriors co-opted the movements to their own ends
And that’s the root of the debate bouncing between Stacy and Joy’s blogs.
Sarah Palin takes the original meaning/principles behind the term “feminist” and is quite comfortable identifying with it.
The Leftists that figleaf their agenda as “Womyn’s Rights” or Vagina Warriors are beside themselves Palin dare speak of herself as a feminist.
Funny thing, Stacy seems to have taken the Vagina Warrior side.
“It seems to me that if LMA wants to define “feminism” her way by appealing to Goldsteinian Intentionalism, then she must also allow RSM to define it his way, and recognize that when he uses the word, it doesn’t mean what she means when she uses it.
I can’t see where she groks that.”
Oh, I grok it fine. And most of the time he uses the word, and I just read it as “radical feminist,” and we’re fine.
But when he gets on my ovaries for merely using the word, and criticizes Governor Palin for doing so, and then distorts women’s history in order to justify all that–we start to have a problem.
I have no attachment to the word, but there are people on the right who are every bit as annoying as those on the left are when they go all “PC” and start CORRECTING ONE all over the goddamned place.
The worst of it is, Stacy thinks he’s defending a sacred principle by policing everyone’s language. He’s defending the fact that he’s capable of acting like a complete dick–and I mean that in a gender-neutral way, of course.
I can’t see where she groks that.
LMA said:
(my emphasis)
“The land that feminism forgot: They wouldn’t dream of working full-time, spend three hours a day drinking coffee and their men pay for everything – have Dutch women found the secret to happiness?”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1364690/Have-Dutch-women-secret-happiness.html
whoops… I leave to go do a cut-n-paste of LMA’s quote and here she is!
:-)
Stacy thinks he’s defending a sacred principle by policing everyone’s language. He’s defending the fact that he’s capable of acting like a complete dick–and I mean that in a gender-neutral way, of course.
I think TOM should adopt this as its new masthead.
Headline: Barbara Kay: The day Sarah Palin kneecapped feminism
Text: “Feminists watching Palin’s stunning performance knew a stake was being driven through their movement’s heart.”
Illustration: Helen Thomas?
I’m not going to interject anything new here, but those links to my old posts are really really instructive, I think.
Because of my demonstrable genius.
new: I posted that earlier.
Funny that the Amfems (American Feminists) want a New Europe created here with all the socialism that implies and get wet panties just thinking about this soon to be Utopian dreamland – yet fail to realize that the Eurofems currently populating that Utopia they dream about aren’t down with their struggle and in fact would fight them tooth and nail should they march over there demanding shit on all fems behalf.
Would the rejection of Amfems advocating over there be met with puzzled faces and exclamations of ‘they are fighting against their best interests?’ In the land of Utopia? The mind reels.
woman may be happier living their lives rather than their ideology, says the patriarchal nut case.
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what happen to the “no labels” crowd?
moore
thirty-two pound pork
sausage patty sampler,
intravenously.
Which is only outdone by your modesty and humility.
that is part of my demonstrable genius, that decision to play up my modesty and humility.
By the way: just did that stool lift I posted last night on one leg with a tall stool. 5# plate on the seat. I think I can do more, but I did a lot of heavy fat bar lifting this week, and my hands are shot.
I might have to shoot a quick vid.
Darleen,
My reading of Stacy’s original post was that his disagreement (more like a point of clarification, actually) was with Barbara Kay rather than with Sarah Palin. LMA’a “McCain’s talking down to Sarah!” (my gloss, obviously) struck me as a non sequitur.
I suppose I’ll have to go back and reread it all. But I don’t know if it’s worth the trouble.
It’s a hobby horse of his. “No, you aren’t a feminist in any sense of the word! Those people are all socialists! No, I don’t want to talk about the suffrage movement, but if I do I’ll call Elizabeth Cady Stanton a non-Christian”!
His rationale is that there is a “conservative ethos” and nothing that can be described as “feminist” belongs under that umbrella–besides which, a lot of the “second-wave feminists” are, he maintains, socialists and radicals who were intent upon subverting middle-class morality.
He also tells me that I’m a menschevik, and will be sacrificed by the bolsheviks at some point in the future. Which, though metaphorical, is somehow supposed to be scary to me. As if I care.
It’s all a bit much to take considering how much trouble he’s gone through in terms of guilt-by-association–for which, BTW, he had to be defended by Jeff and me.
Pure silliness, but it’s all there if you follow Jeff’s link.
Um, *cough* Wow.
O_o
He also tells me that I’m a menschevik, and will be sacrificed by the bolsheviks at some point in the future. Which, though metaphorical, is somehow supposed to be scary to me.
It should scare you. The bolshies’ll sacrifice us all to the greater glory of The Cause.
Just as soon as they decide among themselves what that is.
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“It’s all a bit much to take considering how much trouble he’s gone through in terms of guilt-by-association–for which, BTW, he had to be defended by Jeff and me. ”
have you nothing better to do?
moore
as a rule,
i always take a side
of everything.
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Oh jeez…
If you guys are gonna start in on intentionalism again, I intend to have another drink.
Whether I do or not, well, that’s emperical.
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