February 24, 2011

Two Americas


Voters continue to be closely divided over the question of public employee unions themselves. Fifty percent (50%) at least somewhat favor such unions, while 44% oppose them. These figures include 25% who Strongly Favor the unions and 25% who are Strongly Opposed.

Last month in a survey of American Adults as opposed to Likely Voters, 45% supported public employee unions, while 45% opposed them. Support for the unions was down from 53% in May of last year.

Eighty-one percent (81%) of Democrats now favor public employee unions, while 66% of Republicans and 54% of unaffiliated voters oppose them.

If this doesn’t highlight the potential of this country to devolve into a permanent client state, I don’t know what does.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that only 25% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of [Democrat lawmakers fleeing the state, likely at the behest of their union boss paymasters] while 67% disapprove. State legislators in Indiana have used the same approach to avoid a vote in their state. […]

Sizable majorities of Republicans and voters not affiliated with either major party reject such a strategy. Democrats are fairly evenly divided, with 48% approving and 44% disapproving.

Anyone else surprised at the number of Democrats that support a collective bargaining arrangement in which the unions and the Democrats launder the taxpayer money and give it to themselves?

Where are all the Reagan Democrats?

What is wrong with this country?

Posted by Jeff G. @ 11:31am

Comments (70)

  1. The KOCH brothers must be stopped. They gave $40K to Scott Walker, the MAX allowed by state law. That’s small potatoes compared to the $100+ million they give to other organizations. These organizations will terrify you. If the anti-union thing weren’t enough, here are bigger and better reasons to stop the evil Kochs. They are trying to:

    1. decriminalize drugs,
    2. legalize gay marriage,
    3. repeal the Patriot Act,
    4. end the police state,
    5. cut defense spending.


  2. “What is wrong with this country?”

    Well, let’s start with a public education system that indoctrinates leftist ideologies into the mush-filled skulls of our youth. (Then again, what should we expect of an education system that used to tout the “Three R’s”, when in fact only one of Reading, Writing and Arithmetic ACTUALLY STARTS WITH AN R! And that was when it actually worked!)

    Next, add a corrupt/biased newsmedia that presents a consistently pro-big government, pro-union & anti-conservative slanted view of the “news” 99% of the time.

    Finish with a Hollywood/media culture that glorifies rampant consumerism, promiscuity, violence, illegal immigration and irresponsible behavior without consequences.

    Combine all these ingredients into a large melting pot, stir with class envy, race baiting and an overarching sense of entitlement.

    Voila, The Obama States of America!

  3. I think many/most Democrats like the “idea” of unions. If asked, issue-by-issue regarding unions, I doubt you’d see as much support.

    They’ve all memorized “Norma Rae”, which epitomizes the idea of unions for them. But most people have encountered their BS IRL. My mom worked with UAW insurance people. Every day, they’d put tvs on their desks to watch “their shows” while they munched on snacks Michelle would frown upon. Yet still, she’d probably answer favorably in a poll about unions. You’ve got to dig deeper.

  4. Let’s not forget that at least a third of union members don’t like unions! And these assholes know that! You think they’d be fighting so hard to keep dues “contributions” compulsory if they didn’t?

    As my little brother used to say: “I work my ass off to build up my route into something that will make me a little bit of money. I pay over $700 a year in dues. And then every year or so, the union tells me I have to trade routes with some grey-haired fuck who let his route go to shit years ago, because he needs a good last year to make his pension pay better. So I pay into a pension fund, and I pay dues to a union, all so that the union can screw me over, so that Grampa can drain my pension fund before I’m old enough to collect. What a deal!”

    He doesn’t say that any more, because he moved to a non-union company.

    (PBS rally was lame in the extreme. Maybe it was just me, but they really seemed like they were just going through the motions.)

  5. (Apologies for my brother’s potty mouth. Who taught him such language, anyway?)

  6. Where are all the Reagan Democrats?

    Thirty years on? Some are dead, some are Republican, and some, like Peggy N. are rewriting their personal history.

  7. It is easy to have a guaranteed pay check.

  8. One of the poles is possessed of an adolescent mind:


    Guess which one?

  9. I wouldn’t have a problem with unions if their members were more, um, civil.

    That’s what this country needs: civil unions.

  10. That’s what this country needs: civil unions.

    Nah, too many adolescent minds that are possessed of poles.

  11. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/02/income-inequality-in-america-chart-graph

    “It’s called the American dream because you have to asleep to believe it.”

    –George Carlin

    Loving the “adolescent mind” thesis. Apparently not wanting to live in a neo-feudalistic oligarchy means you’re just a young punk who should learn the benefits of capitalism like the TeaBaggers in their Medicare Scooters.

  12. AJB;
    “Apparently not wanting to live in a fascistic nanny-state with wealth-destroying tax policies means you’re just a young punk who should learn the benefits of socialism like the Europeans.”


  13. for ajb update:

    Van Jones

    Senior Fellow, Center for American Progress, American Progess Action Fund

    Posted: February 22, 2011 10:19 AM

    Introducing The ‘American Dream’ Movement


  14. “Apparently not wanting to live in a neo-feudalistic oligarchy means you’re just a young punk who should learn the benefits of capitalism”

    All right, no more Monty Python for you!

  15. introducing The ‘American Dream’ Movement

    An American Dream movement pushed by an avowed socialist.

    Hell, even Michael Medved and David Frum might have to use the word soon.

  16. beck’s doing his show today on the progg’s use of the american dream

  17. Here is an email I just got from Bob Fertik, Democrats.com Where to begin? It is so insane on its face I just have to say here it is:

    Dear [that is how the email came, they did not even bother to slip in a “Sir”],
    This Saturday we’re drawing a line in the sand. The entire progressive movement is putting everything we have into one massive display of progressive solidarity nationwide.
    We won’t let Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker – or any other billionaire-bought TeaParty Governor – break the unions. Unions created America’s middle class and if they disappear we’ll all end up as corporate slaves.
    The entire progressive movement – Netroots, unions, environmentalists, and community groups – will hold solidarity rallies in major cities, including every state capital, this Saturday around noon.
    We’ll demand an end to the attacks on workers’ rights and public services across the country. We’ll demand investment to create jobs. And we’ll demand that the rich and powerful pay their fair share of taxes.

    Will you join us Saturday at noon? Sign up to join your local rally here.
    Here in New York City, our new Job Party has already held two solidarity rallies, proudly wearing Wisconsin Cheeseheads and winning smiles and cheers from fellow New Yorkers.
    Last Friday, 100 of us held a spirited rally in front of CNN, NBC, and FOX. On Tuesday we grew to 500 at FOX during Glenn Beck’s show, and prominent New York unions and politicians joined us.
    While Glenn Beck raged helplessly inside his studio, Ed Schultz happily crossed the street to interview us. We also appeared on Jon Stewart and Bill O’Reilly. Watch our videos.
    And with unions, students, and progressives in the Midwest leading the way, we’re turning the tide. When an Indiana official urged use of “live ammunition” against unions, he was immediately fired. Then Indiana Republicans dropped their anti-union “right-to-work” bill like a hot potato. Republican Governors in Michigan, New Jersey, and Florida are running as fast as they can from union-busting.
    But a few hard-line Republicans are holding out, especially Wisconsin’s Scott Walker and Ohio’s John Kasich. And several Republican presidential candidates are supporting them, promising to bust unions nationwide if they win in 2012.
    So we need to hit the streets to send a message that’s loud and crystal-clear: the American people support our unions, and we want jobs!

  18. Corporate slaves!

  19. a neo-feudalistic oligarchy

    Neo-feudalistic? Oligarchy?

    It’s a (semi) free-market republic, ya ninny. If we’re not, who or what is?

    But thanks for proving VDH’s thesis.

  20. So we need to hit the streets to send a message that’s loud and crystal-clear: the American people support our unions, and we want jobs!

    Choose One.

  21. I have to say the Democrats have got the number of those Indiana Republican leaders about right.

  22. Neo-feudalistic oligarchy maaaaan!

  23. “Unions created America’s middle class”?

    That’s the great thing about Progressivism and/or just being a fucking liar what lies all the time: you get to create the Past as needed, actual history be damned.

  24. “Unions created America’s middle class”

    We built this city on Rock and Roll!

  25. BTW, just curious, is democrats.com considered a semi-respectable mainstream D organization, or are they more in far Left DU/Kos territory?

  26. Loving the “adolescent mind” thesis. Apparently not wanting to live in a neo-feudalistic oligarchy means you’re just a young punk who should learn the benefits of capitalism like the TeaBaggers in their Medicare Scooters.

    In which State does AJB live where there is a reasonable likelihood that he and his labor will be bonded to the Estate of his Lord?

  27. Is that a trick question?

  28. 27 for 25, but works for 26 also.

  29. #11 might be my favorite AJB comment of all time.

    It really has it all.

  30. What is wrong with this country?


  31. Anyone else still laughing about his use of “neo-feudalistic”?

  32. Super neo-feudalistic ex-Cialis dopers.

    (Auto-correct tried to rewrite “dopers” as “sports.”)

  33. AJB in this very thread proved that there are indeed two Americas. One for thoughtful classical liberal (and classical liberal leaning) Americans and one for brain dead dumbfucks with terrible cases of blog comments tourettes syndrome.

  34. OT: Attn Mr. B:

    Wanted to make sure you saw this new blog for recalling the out of state Wirch. Further contact info for organizers at http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=227432.

  35. “Anyone else still laughing about his use of “neo-feudalistic”?”

    The hound dog under the porch is laughing at his use of “neo-feudalistic

  36. I saw Ace pitching an idea for TEA party armbands, color coded to reflect any violence directed at them. Something for the Media to reflect on or something, hoping to be recognized as a victim class I guess.

    Is it just me, or does this seem beyond a bad idea? Not necessarily moby, but does Ace smoke a lot of dope?

  37. Neo Feudalism…Sure AJB, just not in the way you’re alluding to.

    Instead of the traditional three estates, Clergy, Nobles, and laborers we instead have the Liberal “elite”, their allies in the MBM, and the government employees.

    And the rest of us to are their serfs…

  38. “I saw Ace pitching an idea for TEA party armbands”

    yea that will definitely influence the make believe media./sarc off

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  40. Anyone else still laughing about his use of “neo-feudalistic”?

    I think AJB is pissed that his allowance got cut.

  41. jaysus AJB, back to feudalism has been the Left’s endgame like … forever!

    It’s why they so admire and defend Islamism

  42. It’s a beyond High-Speed Rail bad idea.

    Unless we go with chintz.

  43. “It’s why they so admire and defend Islamism”

    the left march around the wis. state capital on sat. sold me on their mecca. state is great!

  44. Or garters.

  45. […]but does Ace smoke a lot of dope?

    Well, back when I smoked a lot of dope, I spent a great deal of time trying to figure out what random song lyrics meant and where one might procure a teeny tiny sidekick like Webster or Arnold Jackson.

    If he starts exhibiting these symptoms, we’ll know for sure.

    “The Battle of Evermore” is about the sun and the moon, by the way. I’m quite sure of it.

  46. I always thought the battle of evermore was about banging groupies. And the devil.

  47. mitchy is on fox alot today trying to back track. even american stinker trying the walk back. hey mitchy stfu loser.

  48. Is it just me, or does this seem beyond a bad idea? Not necessarily moby, but does Ace smoke a lot of dope?

    Weed always made me want to sleep. Ace just appears to periodically tuck in his man parts which I’d associate as more of a huggy queer-o Ecstasy thing.

  49. kinda funny mitchy has his right arm in a sling on greta.

  50. up next on greta: gingrich on governors! oh my the sayings chairman newt. stay awake.

  51. Uh oh. Groupies and the devil? Thought I had that one wrapped up. Anyone holding? I feel a sudden need to reopen the case.

  52. Yelverton has trolled elsewhere as AJB, and was using proxies.

  53. Any chance “right arm” is code for “ass?”

  54. I’m a fan of attributing all comments that are profoundly imbecilic to Yelverton.

  55. fisting and democrats

  56. 34 Thanks bh. I was not aware of that site. I’ll check it out.

    I had to get some work done around the house; after I spent so much time online this am. So, I painted a few things, and fixed a water line issue, while listening to Beck. Just got back online a little bit ago.

    I checked my e-mail and was contacted by the guy coordinating the recall. Signature collection starts now. I work a week on/week off schedule. I’ll be devoting quite a bit of my time during the off segment to collect those signatures.

    The armband idea is ridiculous. I’ll admit I only glanced at what Ace said, and immediately rejected it.

  57. Amen, Abe.

  58. It is surely just a random coincidence that William the midget racist hilljack plagiarist Yelverton trolled under the same name as this AJB.

  59. Doesn’t look walkbackee to me.

  60. Another Juice Box, mafia wannabe.

  61. High speed rail will fix all the country’s problems. Barrak said so and he would not lie to me.

    Anyone see how the president enjoyed last night? Motown party! Obama hip hop dances while America burns.

  62. Yea, Obama had a motown party, where all the motown ARTIST were invited (w/o their spouses) to sit in the audience.

    Jamie Foxx? John Legend? Seal? Nick Jonas? Have any of those folks even been to motown? Sheryl Crow?

  63. Nothing says black history and motown like Nick Jonas.

  64. This could be a Jeff (or any decent blogger’s) quote:

    “Look what I’m dealing with, man. I’m dealing with fools and trolls. I’m dealing with soft targets, and it’s just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee … they lay down with their ugly wives and their ugly children and just look at their loser lives and then they look at me and say, ‘I can’t process it.’ Well, no, and you never will! Stop trying! Just sit back and enjoy the show.”

  65. Carin, #63 just caused me to spray my monitor with a mouthful of coffee.

  66. Did anyone try to read the comments thread in the MoJo link that AJB posted? These people have been marinating in the stupid for so long that they can’t begin to see how funny they are.

    “The rich are TOO rich!”
    “Yeah, we need to steal their money and give it to ourselves.”
    “But that’ll never happen, ‘cuz the politicians are in bed with the super-rich.”
    “Well then, we need to elect BETTER politicians, who will steal from the rich on our behalf.”
    “Yeah! Because the kind of people who’d steal from the super-rich for us are TOTALLY NOT the same kind of people who’d be bought by the super-rich in an eyeblink!”

    There’s two Americas, all right. I’ve no idea what color the sky is in theirs, though…

  67. Nothing says “not a loser” more than a guy dating a porn star with a suitcase full of cocaine.

    I admit, that may have been really cool in the 80’s though – hard to believe Emilio turned out to be the normal one.

  68. Nothing says “not a loser” more than a guy dating a porn star with a suitcase full of cocaine.

    Um, Matt, there’s an armadillo in the lobby asking for you, and he sounds unhappy…