Gov. Mitch Daniels signaled this afternoon that Republicans should to drop the right-to-work bill that has brought the Indiana House to a standstill for two days and imperiled other measures.
Daniels told reporters this afternoon that he expects House Democrats will return to work if the bill dies. It would be unfortunate if other bills are caught up in the turmoil, he said.
He will not send out state police to corral the Democrats, the Republican governor said.
The Democrat minority has right to express its views, he added.
The governor clung to his view that this is not the year to tackle right to work.
In doing this, Daniels puts pressure on Gov Walker to “compromise” with public union employees in Wisconsin, and problematizes the conservative position on public sector unions, collective bargaining, and right-to-work legislation. He further puts pressure on other Republican governors who were poised to push similar reform bills — which the vast majority of people support (and which independents and conservatives overwhelmingly support).
As I suspected he would (while hoping otherwise; yet further proving that hope is not a political strategy).
The establishment GOP is a joke.
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update: Katrina Trinko at NRO defends Daniels thus:
But it does appear that what he’s doing is prioritizing one goal (education reform, with vouchers, charters schools, and teacher accountability) over another (right-to-work laws), not forgoing all conservative principles.
“This is a huge legacy item for him,” Streeter says, suggesting that education is more meaningful to Daniels than his “fiscal hawk” record or his privatization of toll roads.
“Getting the education part of his administration nailed down before he’s done is a really big deal,” Streeter adds. “It’s a deeply felt passion of his.”
To which protein wisdom replies, it’s a conservative fight, and it became yours to fight the moment the Dems bolted.
Screw your legacy. This isn’t about you.
Fail.
“a time to choose”
He’s probably been molesting kids again. I mean, if he’s been molesting kids. I don’t really know. But I’ve heard that child molesters typically give up when confronted, and let’s face it, that’s what he did.
Exceptionally staunch marketing-types hardest hit!
Well, and the rest of us, too, I s’pose. Mitch sure as hell ain’t helping our cause.
Can we call Mitch a “cumslut hoochie” now? Because I think there’s a lack of staunchiness here.
I’m so angry right now I can spit.
He pulled the rug out from under the entire reform movement just so he could position himself as willing to work with Democrats, should the American people see fit to elect him president. A misreading of what “independents” crave, I suspect.
Amazingly, Indiana looks to me like a state of who can be the MOST COWARDLY.
I am at a complete loss as to how we can have leaders who are so stupid and incompetent that they can’t turn fleeing Democrats into laughingstocks.
Astonishing isn’t even the right word. I mean, he has to go find where they are hiding just to surrender to them. He REWARDED this behavior as a legitimate political reaction — and in the process, threw Gov Walker under the bus.
I’m embarrassed for him. And I hope other governors don’t follow his repulsive, repugnant, cowardly, and backstabbing lead.
But hey, he spoke at CPAC, and you certainly couldn’t pull from his comments any sense that he’d do something like this.
And by “you,” I don’t mean me.
This is mind-boggling. Why in the world would he say this when he and a majority were elected to the Indiana state house, in part on the promise of making Indiana a right-to-work state in the hope of luring more business there?
While this may appeal to some of the muddy middle, it’s going to alienate the greater part of conservatives.
But, on the bright side, I don’t see this influencing Walker’s resolve any; nothing has thusfar.
Still, surrendering the initiative snatches defeat from the jaws of victory.
I wonder what JD thinks of this revolting development.
Fucking dead to me. Game over. Will not even consider.
This dude is a loser and he needs to stay in IN.
Nothing like emboldening the opposition.
If one views the two party system as a war of will and ideas, Danials just committed treason.
He’s betting on getting elected President.
With my fucking money.
Fuck you Mitch.
Wow. Just wow.
Yes, by doing what they were fucking elected to do and voting on it, you fucking moron. Not by running away and abdicating their responsibility. The guy is a joke and you had him pegged from the beginning, Jeff.
I don’t even think this appeals to the middle, Bob. Certainly not in any discernible way which would pull them away from Obama. The only task at hand for Republicans is selling the middle on the urgency of reducing the size of government. Daniels just did the opposite.
“I wonder what JD thinks of this revolting development.”
I wonder what sdferr thinks of this revolting development.
When reached for comment, Gen. Benedict Arnold stated that “the British Army has a right to express its views… by shooting Americans.”
meanwhile in wisconsin
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Time to redouble my efforts and make sure Governor Kasich doesn’t get a case of the “prags”. Of course, he doesn’t have designs on the presidency, so he won’t be a puss (fingers crossed) like Daniels.
You’re right Abe in saying that this won’t pull the middlers away from Obama.
I just don’t understand this manuever at all. Like OI says, the Dems get to express their views by taking part in the legislative process for crying out loud.
All this does is add some credence to that very same vapid argument about, “the Dems RIGHT! to dialogue all around the web over the last few days.
And more than that, it’s completely incongruent with the idea of reigning in government costs! So how can it possibly be helful when it comes to “the spendings”…
It’s hard to express how much that bothers me. They have a legitimate avenue for expressing their views and it sure as hell doesn’t include anti-democratic bullshit like this.
In the most basic game theory sense, you CAN NOT allow them to use trump options like this and get away with it.
Indiana may have much to do with the way the rules of the legislative houses are set up as per this.
But can’t he call special sessions from now until the end of his term if he wants, Geoff?
In the most basic game theory sense
It is all ways idiotic and stupid. It’s the wrong thing to do for at least a dozen goddamn reasons, and we will all pay the price for it.
So, not showing up for work is a legitimate way of doing your job.
Government work, it’s a great gig if you can get it!
Wisconsin fleebaggers are wavering. One just tried to phone in his vote on the voter ID bill. He was denied. On voter ID.
BWAHAHAHAHA…
If true, those of you who said he shouldn’t get within spitting distance of a primary shot have it completely 100% right. I honestly didn’t know enough about him to know one way or other.
Now, the question becomes: if the Rethugs! in the assembly ignore Daniels’ “call to truce”, and maintain their stand, or even find a way to pass the measure; will the Governor, in his staunch staunchiness™, sign it, or veto it?
This may be a question begged too far, but I couldn’t help but wonder aloud.
But like bh says, how in the world can the Dems obnstructionist ploy be reqrded or even countenanced?
Guess there’s a difference between a governor who’s trying to balance his budget and one that’s testing the presidential waters.
Mitch! You fucker!! Just when I was formulating my Mitch Rapp plan to kidnap one of the Wisconsin 14, and handcuff him/her just inside the Badger state line with a bag over the head. Note for state trooper pinned to bagged senator: “Deliver this package to statehouse immediately please. Not fragile so don’t worry if it gets jostled around a bit.”
You cannot win if you do not play. The pre-emptive surrender is for morons and Frenchmen.
The Senate’s scheduling committee voted unanimously to take up the bill, with the panel’s two Democrats voting by teleconference from an undisclosed location in Illinois.
The traffic stop bill, which was passed by Democrats in the last legislative session, aims to gather information on whether law enforcement engages in racial profiling in traffic stops. Republicans have criticized it as a burden on police.
The Senate will also take up a resolution honoring the UW Badgers football team on its recent season and Rose Bowl appearance. That’s a dig at Sen. Fred Risser (D-Madison), the author of the resolution and one of the Democratic senators currently hiding out in Illinois.
Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau) warned Democrats he might stop extending the courtesy of allowing them to vote by teleconference if they remain in Illinois much longer.
“They’re trying to shut down government,” he fumed after the committee vote.
Fitzgerald said the Senate will also be in session on Thursday and might take up then a bill to require voters to show photo ID at the polls.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/news/116668604.html
Or not. If this version is true, why isn’t the phone call counted in the quorum?
I’m fairly certain the Founding Fathers would not have considered “fleeing” a legitimate method of expressing political views.
Al, a Vince Flynn reference? Nice! You are truly one of the good ones.
Thanks Matt. Don’t you wonder why they haven’t hired some badass to kidnap one of those scrotums that talk?
I mean grab one and drag her to Wisco. It’s like any Saturday night on frozen Lake Winnebago.
….and so we edge closer to civil war.
DANIELS: My view on this is well known to the leadership on both sides, well-known to the public. I haven’t changed a single thing. I don’t attempt to dictate the agenda. I’m not in position to, really, of a separate and free-standing superior branch of government.
WTF?
And for that matter, Speaker [Bostwick] can’t always dictate to his members when they have a strong point of view.
Uh… what the hell does that even mean?
Don’t be so hard on the guy. After all every parent knows that when your kid throws a public tantrum over not getting that toy they want, it’s best to just give in to the little darlings.
See the update, in which Daniels tries to do the “oh, I don’t drive the agenda, they can do whatever they want, I was just offering my [exceedingly unhelpful] opinion on the matter” thing.
Trying to have it both ways. “Sure, I’d sign it if they pass it, but I’m just saying maybe now’s not the time. I’m one of the Good Ones, dontcha know?!?”
Clown nose on, clown nose off.
yes the war is on the horizon. goons are protesting beck today and this:
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Do you mean like buying happyfeets a cupcake?
He probably needs one about now Joe. A man can only endure so much.
Leave Daniels alone! He’s a busy guy and he just can’t allow this to get in the way of other things which he wants to do. Busy, busy, busy.
Guess I won’t be saying I like Mitch Daniels anymore.
Not for President, not for anything.
Pussy.
You cannot win if you do not play. The pre-emptive surrender is for morons and Frenchmen.
Without disagreeing with your substance, I do not like your analogy.
If you play, you consent to the rules.
When the ref is bought off, keeps making bad calls – you walk your ass off the field in protest. You protest, and contest it’s legitimacy. If you keep playing thinking that the only way to win is the play and you have to overcome the bought ref – by continuing with the charade of the game you legitimize it. You sanction it. And you bind yourself to it’s rigged rules and outcome.
The Dems are not playing – they’re walking out. They refuse to sanction it. They’re saying, effectively, that this proposal is out of bounds, inconsiderable, not within the rules. For that you have to admire them.
Daniels, in surrendering, is playing. He’s playing THEIR game, with their ad-hoc rules. It goes beyond just the immediate… it legitimizes conceeds – as bh has pointed out – not only the TACTIC of dodging out of state as a political move, but also the idea that union privledge (I won’t call it ‘rights’) is sacrosanct.
Because this is NOT Hollywood, and unlike in the movies, when the ref is bought off, you will NOT overcome all odds to realize a heartwarming victory with the strength of your determination just before the credits role.
If the game is rigged, you will lose.
The only way you win is NOT to play. Contest the rules.
Democrats do seem to understand this, or at least hire people who do. Republicans notsomuch.
There may be some places in this country where public employees, public servants walk off the job, but I don’t think Indiana is one of them.
Except for the obvious and irrefutable fact that Indiana is one of the places where public servants walk off the job.
If the shoe was on the other foot, the Democrats would never miss the opportunity to crucify them for a move like this. There would be cries of tyranny from the highest levels of the Democrat establishment. The GOP never misses an opportunity to show how stupid and cowardly they are.
“If one views the two party system as a war of will and ideas, Danials just committed treason.”
Bullshit. That fucking little wimp asshat just attempted to commit mass suicide, dragging down the conservatives and independents with him. Fuck him! Let that little shit pay for the union bene’s out of his own pocket.
Another clueless politician who sees no rush to keep this country from driving off the cliff. He will get what he deserves. I’ll bet his deaf, dumb, and blind l’il self is being SCORCHED to the rotten core right now by everyone who knows that this stuff is NOT A JOKE! Daniels is the joke-and not a funny one, at that.
What a clueless asshole!
Leave Daniels alone! He’s a busy guy and he just can’t allow this to get in the way of other things which he wants to do. Busy, busy, busy.
I bet that’s what motivates this bullshit.
A misreading of what “independents” crave, I suspect.
While this may appeal to some of the muddy middle, it’s going to alienate the greater part of conservatives.
I suspect that the dude has some nifty little bills he wants to tout when he runs for POTUS pending, nice welfare programs for speach impaired kids I hear, and doesn’t want this nasty shutdown business to jeopardize his ability to pad his resume with ‘accomplishments’ in time for the primary.
Daniels has been watching too many Obama speeches… he needs to quit following Meghan McCain’s twitter.
Anyone who thinks this weak weasel is presidential material has lost their mind.
It used to be that my site’s tagline was meant ironically. I’m thinking about changing my signification.
Entropy, when I played HS football in AL, bad refs were apt to find themselves caught in a “referee trap” play, designed to leave as many cleat marks on them as possible.
Me, I’m thinking someone with the appropriate connections in he hooker community should arrange for one or more of those fleebaggers to need a replacement appointed. Anyone know a panzer-rat up for the job?
Could you work in some of the final speech from Team America in your tagline?
Pisses me off.
You say that like he doesn’t know this.
Look, they want the thing driven off a cliff. It gives the bigs more job security.
….Watching the way the GOP establishment types are torpedoing the whole reason they were elected makes 2012 loom as our “Nuke ’em from orbit Captain….its the only way to be sure….” moment.
T Party II!
My congress cretin, a Republican, just emailed to breathlessly tell me he voted to halt one hundred billion dollars of spending.
The very next email was from Congress.org, advising that he’d voted to halt $61.5 billions — Continuing Resolution Fiscal Year 2011.
I took note.
WisPolitics says the Senate leader (R) allowed fleebaggers to call and “vote on the calendar”…whatever that means. But the Rep head of the committee that passed voter-ID today nixed a fleebagger who attempted to phone in his NO vote.
Well, the sooner we thin the field out, the better. Bye, Mitch!
i don’t apologize for all the bad things i’ve said about mitchy. tacos!
You know what? Fuck it.
Maybe this is what has to happen when one party gives way to another in our system. Maybe the establishment GOP needs to fully commit suicide in order to make room for the Tea Party (or whatever the next iteration of the party ostensibly representing conservatives/classical liberals turns out to be).
Sure, it’ll give the Dems years, maybe a decade, to further drive us towards Eurpoean (or worse)-style Socialism but, in the end, we may actually have a two-party system instead of this one-and-a-quarter shit we’ve got now.
I wasn’t sure whether he was OK, but now I totally am.
He’s not.
Not one cent, not one word in his favor, not even the faintest consideration of a vote.
One less candidate to worry about.
What I don’t get is why this? He already stripped PE unions of their collective bargaining in 2005. Right to work, especially in this climate, would be fighting the good fight. Politicians suck. Big time.
From Geraghty, here’s the part that especially bothered me:
My bold. How is that not an intentional conflation between the legitimate and the illegitimate?
Again, this runs exactly counter to what I’ve been saying to anyone who will listen to me in Wisco. And it runs exactly counter to what Walker is saying right now on the radio.
“What I don’t get is why this? ”
The Daniels Defense: It’s for the Children
Yeah, I hear you, JD.
Time to grill some chicken and maybe have a healthy glass of wine. My little cheeseheart can’t take this junk.
It’s amazing how quickly I’ve turned from thinking Daniels is a wicked smart droopy dog who is as bland as his state to genuinely despising him. It’s sort of like hating unflavored gelatin.
OT, but here’s Rumsfeld giving a clinic on how to deal with the media. It’s a thing of beauty.
Alls I know is that I have a hard-on for Walker and I want to clone him.
He needs to give seminars.
They have a legitimate avenue for expressing their views
Capitol Avenue in Indianapolis and Washington Avenue in Madison.
In case any vagabond public servants are reading and forgot.
I am not clear on this Carin having a hard on thing. Does that mean you have pointy nips? ;-)
If I were Governor of Illinois I’d have ordered the State Police to turn the bastards back at the borders, northern and eastern.
I’d also keep an eye peeled on Iowa, just in case.
good lord … I was at work reading this and wanted to bang my head on the desk.
Every doubt I harbored about Daniels has come to fruition. I’m really really pissed at being proven right.
When someone gets squishy about the whole “moral” thingy, count on them being squishy in other places.
“Morality” as last on the list to be considered clearly signals the importance of all judgment in every arena.
levin just mention drones. to see the moonbats circling and occupying the state capital of wi. yes we have hit the hive.
JD posted on 2/22 @ 5:58
All I want to know is, in addition to Walker’s grit, is there an old centerfold (ala Scott Brown) somewhere????
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Where was he squishy on the whole moral thing?
From the update:
That just seems like a self-evident truth to me.
Pssst, Indiana Dems, want to stop his school voucher plan? There’s a devious strategy that you might want to consider. Hint: you’re doing it right now.
I do not think it will work on vouchers, bh. But I have been wrong before.
So I guess by “truce” on social issues he really did mean mean “social conservatives shut up (and preferably go away too).”
Skeptical Social Conservatives 1
Pikachus 0
Jesus Christ. Talk about an own-goal.
Might or might not, JD. (And I’m constantly wrong myself.) It’s now been proven to be available and effective though.
That’s wildly problematic for us.
JD
IMHO only (and I don’t have any real rational back up, just a gut feeling at the delivery) … the whole “it is time to ignore social (ie moral) conservatives/conservatism” was just a tad too precious. IMHO it had less to do with priorities and more to do with the ickiness of having to stick to principles when “pragmatism” offers such lovely prizes behind curtain #2.
Again, I do not like being right on this. Not.at.all.
Any chance the Republican legislature will tell the governor to grow a pair here?
It’s my understanding that he made it clearly known that he didn’t want this coming up before his educational reforms, Ernst.
So, if they were willing to force the issue without their own executive, they might well be willing to continue with it.
“It’s my understanding that he made it clearly known that he didn’t want this coming up before his educational reforms, Ernst.”
that’s not leadership!: you fight with the army you have not the one you wish for.
jeez mitchy is a monty type of dude. we need a patton to turn on a dime.
Bh, etal – it was an open secret as to what his agenda was, he laid it out in the State of the State address, last month. Bosma has a lot of spine, and may keep pushing this. Bauer, the Dem leader, still is pretty effective.
“it was an open secret as to what his agenda was,”
yea so he doesn’t know the national mood. stay in in loser.
I just watched Walkers chat, and then listened to the pathetic response by Miller (hiding in IL). Following that, I went over to Dailycaller and noted the Daniels crap. WTF? I seriously have my doubts that it will only be the Democratic Party to self destruct; if the Republican’s keep this up. RNC called me today looking for money. Preaching to the choir I told him, but you won’t be getting any. I surprised him when I told him about the Indiana Democrats fleeing today. He never abandoned the script to talk to me, not at me. Maybe I am being too critical, but it makes it hard to take them serious when things are serious. He’s lucky I didn’t read Daniels before he called.
BH,
Are you in a recall district for any of the 14? I’ve got Wirch and plan to do what I can to get the 15K signatures. Waiting for more news from Dan Hunt. http://www.wispolitics.com/index.iml?Article=227432
I need him to sell me one.
jeez mitchy is a monty type of dude. we need a patton to turn on a dime.
Precisely. We have initiative, retain it. Always sieze initiative. Press the attack, keep the momentum. You don’t hold on to anything but the enemy. Shit through a goose – blitz them.
Circumstances of history be damned, I’d still take Rommel over Montgomery.
This is why the left has kicked our asses for the last century. It is the ratchet effect. Because they set the terms of the debate. They are constantly pushing. They exploit any opportunity to advance.
For what it’s worth: I do think it’s leadership to have legislative priorities. But, when the battle changes, you have to change with it. That’s the failure as I see it. Not that he initially preferred tackling vouchers (big problem) over right to work (less of a problem in Indiana). That initial stance makes a great deal of sense to me as well. But, it didn’t work out that way. And, further, the illegitimate avoidance of the quorum requires an equal or greater response.
There are probably fifty military quotes that apply here but even the most obvious one isn’t coming to me.
Heh, the convergent morphology of our metaphors. Dig it.
“But, when the battle changes, you have to change with it.”
with what 1-2 weeks notice and mbm coverage. mitchy is industrial grade stupid politically.
No, sorry, I’m not, Mr. B. Dems don’t get elected around here.
State PoliceNational Guard
“There are probably fifty military quotes that apply here but even the most obvious one isn’t coming to me.”
the union thugs in nyc are “protesting” beck on friday. attacking oh tomorrow, took over in. by surrender today. fuck these rinos.
You might have seen my state senator destroying Chris Matthews recently, btw.
That ends the Mitch Daniels 2012 speculations. And I just read somewhere that Scott Brown’s turned his back on the Tea Party (you know, the entity that brung him to the Kennedy Seat dance)(it’s a Huffblows linky, so fuck ’em. Both of ’em, I mean.)
Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton has called for ‘more international cooperation against the pirates’ after 4 Americans die at sea. A tepid response; could’ve been given by any old lefty or RINO, since one easily passes for the other nowadays.
Here.
Here. OT, but this is guaranteed to spike your blood pressure.
“Don’t shoot until we see if their credit cards clear.”
Hey, serr8d, does everyone know the identity of that guy who said Althouse should be shot in the head for that youtube video? I put it in the comments of the video (saw you there) but don’t know if the links were screwy.
He’s Brent Oneil. He lives in De Forest, Wi. (Know his address, too.) His twitter feed gave a shout out to Madison local 236 (they handle Madison streets) on Feb 20th and he earlier mentioned working a twenty hour shift. Makes me think he’s a plow driver. Pass any of that on that you want.
Walk back: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/22/mitch-daniels-press-secretary-indiana-gov-was-not-condoning-flight-of-democratic-legislators/
Too little. Too late.
“Just to be equally plain” – bullshit. Mitch is mulch.
i see that the hucksters new book is:
A Simple Government: Twelve Things We Really Need from Washington (and a Trillion That We Don’t!)
what no: LIMITED GOVERNMENT !
why do we need dc huckster?
bh, what’s his Twitter @ddress? I’ll make his life unbearable, until he blocks me. )
I missed that bh, thanks. However, I spoke to your Senator at the Rally on Saturday. I was standing right next to him while Herman Cain was speaking. After two gentlemen finished their discussion with Senator Grothman, I introduced myself. Nice guy. I inquired about what was next; considering the stalemate. He informed me on the recall process.
I posted that Oneil stuff from twitter at Althouse late last night. Did anyone figure out if he was a driver or just a unions sympathizer? His youtube acct is scrubbed and he is silent on Twitter.
Yeah, he is a good guy, Mr. B. That’s really cool that you met up with him at the rally.
Towards Oneil, that mention of working a twenty hour shift in December along with the local 236 tweet really makes me think he’s either a plow driver or in a related job.
For a second or two there, I thought the generic republicans might finally get it together. I am so glad to see that nearly all of them are back in the big tent and refusing to make waves–sort of a Rovian moment. There should now be plenty of face time opportunities for them on the MSM shows, plus a lot of praise for the way they have grown in office.
Somehow, I don’t think I will be watching.
I thought so too, in both cases.
It’s Brent_Oneil on twitter, serr8d. Link.
My wife says that, after his possible reprimand, Oneil must have been feeling a little “salty” to go after Althouse like that. Heh.
Making the idealistic, unrealistic, nonexistent perfect the enemy of the good is not only ridiculous, it’s also monumentally stupid, especially when the good of which you’re making an enemy is on your side.
And, further, the illegitimate avoidance of the quorum requires an equal or greater response.
That’s my primary beef. I can see reason in his prioritizing, but things are what they are. He failed to steer his own party in the legislature and, now that what’s done is done, he’s botched the hell out of handling it.
I want a fighter.
Like Rand Paul said – Cassius, not Henry-the-Racist-Appeaser Clay.
We’re not going to get any stronger by lying on our backs and letting them run over us.
Fuck the politics, honestly. It’s temporal. Tiny BS policy changes here or there, mostly. I’m interested in the meta-politics. Time to change the terms of the debate and the nature of the game itself. Time to retake the cultural institutions, the assumptions built into the language, and the proprieties that reinforce BS socialist dogma.
And this quorum dodging does demand a response. Or you’ve given the minority dems a veto over any legislation they please. You think they’ll pass school choice now? Doubtful.
Doubtful too, that future GOP minorities would even have the balls to mimic them. More doubtful still they’d survive the attempt if they tried, because the dems would find a way to crush them.
Heh. Poor fella.
On the plus side, now that he’s said a taxpayer “needs to be shot in the head” for reporting him, that might be one fewer person that Walker needs to layoff.
why are “we” on the defensive? these idiots suck soros.
Yeah, the Pabst Blue Ribbon avatar speaks volumes. NTTAWWT.
That’s very much my read on it as well, Entropy.
He was specifically bent about her filming the honking plows, wasn’t he? Were those state or city trucks?
The Perfesser is a state employee, no?
I’ll pass that advice along to President McCain.
Oh, wait — !
Ah, Local 236 is city. Damn.
To paraphrase Lincoln, I don’t need this man. He doesn’t fight.
Needs more cowbell.
how about this given the academy:
trumpka = polish for asshole
trumka = hunky kkk
Here.
trumka = pollack asshole
Hi John
How is being fiscally conservative “unrealistic”? How is it that when Democrats actually go into hiding across state lines, and not taking advantage of that event, indeed, GIVING IN to such childish tantrum make any kind of sense?
You babble words, but I don’t think they mean what you think they mean.
Here’s the thing I don’t get with Trinko’s apology (and forgive me if I’m repeating something that’s already been said –still catching up): How does Daniels put his legislative agenda at risk by pivoting to take on the issue of our time, reining in out of control public sector unions and the unaffordable public obligations they create?
Look, we’re practically having an “America Held Hostage!” countdown from the MBM and the D.C. Democrats to the day the Republicans “shut down” the Federal government. In Wisconsin and now in Indiana, we have Democrats doing that very thing, which is bad, bad, or so they keep telling me.
The dems are the fugitive obstructionists here. They’ll break, they’ll have to, so long as we don’t let them off the rack they put themselves into. The right to work bill will pass, and so will everything else Daniels wants.
why are imperialist white males like the pollack trumka ruling the world?
oh he’s a communist. oui
“The right to work bill will pass, and so will everything else Daniels wants.”
you gotta do the bush “class” suck some kennedy.
the fuckin’ slovack trumka should be hanged with the nazi slovack priest
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Darleen, this goes with your first one.
this trumka is a fraud like O!:
“Trumka, born in Nemacolin, Pennsylvania near Pittsburgh, is an Italian-American,[3] third-generation Polish American and coal miner son of Frank Richard and Eola Elizabeth (Bertugli) Trumka.[”
dude some heavy spin there:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Trumka
trumka – ALL AMERICAN
Right to work: so idealistic, so unrealistic, so perfectly the enemy of the good that it’s ridiculous to even think about.
Which is why the Democrats ran away?
Maybe he’s an irretrievable bean counter, and can’t pivot when his apple cart gets upset. I’m more concerned with why, if his education agenda is his sticking point, he hasn’t already had the agenda worked out with his party in the Legislature.
I can still see where Mitch might could be a decent choice for a lot of people (aside from him having ruled himself out for me today) but he’s guilty of really bad form, a lot. If he’s a leader, I’m just not seeing that quality in him.
Bullshit, John.
You really think you’re going to do better than Mitch Daniels? Who? Name them and I’ll gladly concede the point. Also, please don’t say Sarah Palin. I like the lady, but she’s about as ready to be president as Obama was, only less articulate.
“I can still see where Mitch might could be a decent choice for a lot of”
bush/rockefeller rinos
“You really think you’re going to do better than Mitch Daniels? ”
for what idiot?
yes all the fence sitters are nervous about THE VAN JONES reVOLUtion. hi mr. paul.
If Obama is unbeatable, why not run Palin? Or Cain?
So you ask a question and then tell us who we can’t pick?
Right now, I’d say Scott Walker is a better pick than Daniels. Not only is he showing bravery and leadership, but he has the added advantage of not having been mentored by Lugar.
You know what I see in him?
Michael Dukakis.
That’s not entirely fair. Daniels has actually accomplished something, despite being a coldly efficient technocrat. But he’s in danger of Peter Principaling himself into irrelevance.
Funny how Palin is being called “inarticulate” when I know precisely where she stands and precisely what her beliefs are. Whereas an articulate, nuanced, primo candidate like Daniels? Has constantly to issue statements to clarify his prior statements.
But hey. He does it without that homespun accent, so, well, you know…
Sorry, you can’t have Scott Walker.
(On the other hand, with the Dems out of town, we might pass two years of legislation in a couple months.)
Mitch Daniels just knocked himself out of the race before he ever really got started. Do you think this whimper of a reaction he’s espoused to the most serious challenge to Democrat funding we’ve ever seen will be forgotten so easily? Daniels spoke as if he’s channeling David Brooks…
If what we’re
forcedallowed (by the NYT) to run in 2012 isn’t much better than what we ran and lost with in 2008, then why bother? The shit and the fan are closer together than ever before.Just think…if we could run someone who had the balls to say “Drill, baby, drill”! and mean it, why, that person would be considered a savior to the currently-dumber’n-fuck Republican party! Especially if gas prices hit 7 bucks a gallon…
That’s the problem with nuance Jeff. It seems dummies like you (and me too, I guess) aren’t nuanced enough to understand our betters.
The things I like about Daniels I still like about him. Indiana was lucky to have had him.
The presidency is a different animal though. What I’d consider without prejudice towards his “truce” goes away when I no longer feel any confidence towards his judicial aggressiveness with the Indiana Supreme Court. What I lament about the mistimed choices of the Indiana legislative Reps, I doubly lament about his reaction to the Dems fleeing.
These are both possible Washington issues for me. Presidential issues.
They’re lucky to have had him there in Indiana nine times out of ten but I’m now thinking I’ll pass anyways.
But death panels was so gauche!
Union Thugs: “Please, please, we’ll take the cuts, we’ll accept the financial concessions, but leave us our rights to hold a gun to your heads and take monies from your budget whenever we feel like it!”
Governor Scott Walker: “Fuck off, assholes.”
That’s almost got a “Drill baby drill”! ring to it.
The Indiana democrats bailed on the first day of the session, didn’t they? If I have that right, it seems to me they choose the time and place for this fight.
Wasn’t it though? But I loved every syllable (and all zillion paragraphs) of it.
By all accounts that I’ve seen the Rep leggies were going to bring House Bill 1468 to the floor, Ernst.
I see what you’re saying but they didn’t take off because they were worried that a bill honoring the Colts was coming up.
And if a bill honoring the Colts was first out of the dock, their position wouldn’t have been any stronger by sticking around to vote for it.
(Just to make sure, we’re on the same page)
Heh, are we ripping on AFC teams? I’m always on that page.
I think David Brooks knows how he’s viewed and plays to it now. For hits.
You mean the affable egghead on News Hour who listens wide-eyed and respectful to gruff old Mark Shields, “look kid, in the real world…” that David Brooks?
No alternatives? Okay, Sarah Palin then.
And I promise not to say I told you so when we get four more years of Obama.
There is no we that I can see.
At some point I feel like I should ask permission to write a long ass post about all this, Jeff.
From the perspective of one county office. How it was utterly defeated in ’08. How it got pissed off about the stimulus and Obamacare. How the tea parties took over. How we came to support Walker and Johnson and the rest in the primaries. How that all came together in ’10. How we’re now willing to keep working between elections because we don’t feel like we’ll be sold out this time.
There’s something here. It feels like a template. It can be repeated. It can work elsewhere.
In this post you say, “The establishment GOP is a joke.” That’s correct. I just don’t think it needs to be. The grassroots can take over. It doesn’t have to happen everywhere but if it happens in the right places, people can take over their state party in under two years. And they can do it in states where Obama won by 13 points.
Sorry, yeah, I know, I’m beating my dead horse again.
But, seriously, we did it here and we’re not special. We’re not. Trust me. But we might be contagious.
So long as he doesn’t have the House or Senate, I can live with that.
Always welcome. Despite recent — and historic — defections, you’ve been around long enough to laugh at the idea that I’m some sort of ogreish demagogue what demands lock-step Goldsteinism.
I’ve been where you are, John.
Heh, it’s actually a bit of Goldsteinism that I’d be pitching.
Idealism works, in a nutshell. Works even better than free pizza and beer.
Idealism with free pizza and beer works probably works best though, now that I think about it.
Can you live with a Supreme Court with a liberal majority? I hope so, because that’s what four more years will give you, guaranteed.
“I’m some sort of ogreish demagogue what demands lock-step Goldsteinism.”
Thats good cus making paragraph length blog titles was not what I had in mind when I suggested you make the recent comments section longer
Mr!
Also, I find it particularly odd that you so cavalierly dismiss real, classically liberal education reform as an invalid reason for giving way on right-to-work. Given the way in which Daniels has already weakened the unions in Indiana, it seems perfectly prudent to set right-to-work aside to focus on something that’s actually much more important and, running for president or not, would be huge if accomplished statewide for the first time.
I guess it seems to me that you’re just way too hard on Mitch Daniels, especially given that he’s clearly one of the good guys.
To actually address this point: a long time back when you invited all the big name bloggers, and me, to post in your absence, you actually encouraged me when I gave Andy Sullivan and Mr. Bloggingheads a massive amount of shit and got corrections from both of them. Pretty much sealed the deal for me. That probably stayed on your permanent record on my behalf, of course.
No, we’ve disagreed plenty on probably three dozen topics over the years and I don’t recall you ever getting all ogrish (is that a word?) on me.
Oh, so what you’re saying is, if we don’t run a moderate, we’re likely to end up with someone more liberal than, say, Souter?
Vote for who you want. Me, I’m done voting for anyone who doesn’t represent my interests. The GOP isn’t going to blackmail me into losing more slowly. Frankly, I’m a big fan of clarity. And when you pit classical liberals/legal conservatives against leftists, that’s stark.
From there, the people will decide.
Oh, so what you’re saying is, you’re going to stay home on election day? That reads a great deal like you’ve decided to make the perfect the enemy of the good. I’d much rather turn the ship around slowly than go full speed ahead into the iceberg. You willing to take the chance that we’ll be able to swim all the way back to shore and build a new ship?
Also, on what ideological continuum is Mitch Daniels a moderate?
By the way, one guy I know hasn’t defected. He’s just fishing. Better to do that than to be fighting with people you both respect and like. That’s my advice on such things anyway.
Sometimes it happens that way. It’s good path, I think.
http://budget.wispolitics.com/2011/02/senate-gop-leaders-requiring-missing.html
Apparently Dos cheeseheads read the OPORDER!
bh,
Tell em to KEEP FIRING!!!
Absolutely, Danger.
There’s more to come, too.
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I’d counter with, given the way Daniels just threw cold water at Governor Scott Walker’s obviously much stronger attack on public-sector unions in Wisconsin…
there you have it.
No, I didn’t say I’d stay home election day. I just won’t pull the lever for a squish is what I said.
The fact is, the GOP hasn’t been turning the ship around slowly; they’ve been piloting us into the iceberg more slowly. And that’s because we keep allowing the GOP to give us only slightly senile captains — as opposed to the Dems, who keep sending us blind meth heads in Gilligan caps. I figure we may as well go ahead and crash while I’m young enough to still swim.
As for Daniels and his positions, you can find the relevant discussions in the archives.
I haven’t dismissed education reform at all. But that’s not what caused the Dems to bolt the state.
It’s too bad for Gov Daniels that the world is not keeping to the schedule he’s set for it, but there it is. Adapt.
I heard that about McCain, too.
Frankly, I wasn’t hard enough on him.
Now’s the time to be hard on those who might choose to run for President. If criticism forces them to tack right a bit, I consider that a good thing.
Mitch apparently has an education reform agenda. That’s all well and good, but if he doesn’t know by now that one doesn’t always get to fight the battles they want to fight, then he is probably best off where he is now. If you are so single-minded about your agenda that you avoid other chances for advancement, you run the risk of not only missing those other chances but failing to push your agenda through as well. One must take the battles as they come, and fight to win.
Shorter John:
“You’re not being helpful. Mitch is A Good Man, after all.”
Form “The Morning Bell“.
Now that great Lando type deal with the Democrats, has led them to move ahead and demand the GOP negotiate directly with the union, ‘this is the best, of all possible worlds’
That’s well and good, Geoff. But he also signaled he’d let right to work die and accede to the Democrats for their having fled, legitimizing the tactic.
Later, they walked that back, but not very convincingly, in my opinion.
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/02/23/indiana-right-to-work-bill-dies-democrats-crank-up-their-demands/
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From what narciso posted this whole thing quoted above is a fail-fail situation tactically and strategically.
OK, I’ll say it. John has got to be our own little pachuka, all grown up! A delightful development if true. If not, to quoth the Bard, a griefer by any other name…
“Can you live with a Supreme Court with a liberal majority? I hope so, because that’s what four more years will give you, guaranteed.”
I am skeptical of your “guarantee”.
Don’t SC justices need to be confirmed or something?
“You really think you’re going to do better than Mitch Daniels? Who? Name them and I’ll gladly concede the point. Also, please don’t say Sarah Palin. I like the lady, but she’s about as ready to be president as Obama was, only less articulate.”
Sorry, Palin/Cain 2012. Has a nice symmetry, give or take a Mc.
“Also, on what ideological continuum is Mitch Daniels a moderate?”
The charge isn’t that he is a moderate, it’s that he lacks leadership and command skills. I don’t think anyone here hates Danials, except the idea of him as our presidential candidate. Personally I’m glad he has given us a good Republican example we can all point to of how to be fiscally responsible .
Thanks Mitch!
Now, do a brother a solid, and help us de-legitimize minority party representatives fleeing the state during votes for something they know they will lose on. An idiot can see the bad president oozing from that
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