December 9, 2010

“House Democrats Demand Changes to Tax Deal” [UPDATED]

WSJ:

[…] he House Democratic Caucus was brimming with fury at being excluded from the negotiations that produced the agreement. In a closed-door meeting Thursday, the caucus passed a resolution stating that the tax-cut deal would not be brought to the House floor for a vote unless it was changed.

“Just say no!” Democrats chanted before the vote, according to an aide in the meeting.

Despite the angry caucus vote, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.) signaled that she did not plan to stall the debate altogether.

“We will continue discussions with the president and our Democratic and Republican colleagues in the days ahead to improve the proposal before it comes to the House floor for a vote,” she said in a written statement.

A senior aide to the Democratic leadership said the resolution “doesn’t mean the deal is dead. It just has to be altered.”

The proposed tax-cut package includes a 13-month continuation of extended benefits for the long-term unemployed, a one-year payroll tax reduction for nearly all workers and measures intended to help lift the economy.

The anger among House Democrats reflected more than opposition to the emerging legislation. It also showed the frustrations of a party badly bruised by heavy midterm election losses.

“A number of us are very frustrated. It is finally time for us to stop being spear-carriers here,” said Rep. Peter DeFazio (D.,Ore.). “It’s time to tell the White House they are wrong.”

The change Democratic critics most want to make involves the tax treatment of inheritances. The federal tax on estates expired at the end of 2009 and is set to be reinstated from 2011 at a rate of 55% charged on estates over $1 million.

The new tax package would renew the tax at a rate of 35% on estates over $5 million. House Democrats want a higher tax rate, applied to additional estates.

This morbid desire to suck the money out of the recently dead — a reprehensible thievery of wealth already taxed (creating cottage industries that allow opportunists to swoop in robber baron-like and buy up family farms and small businesses from those who aren’t cash rich and can’t afford to pay the governmental punishment on the death of their family member, etc.) — is probably best described as progressive ghoulishness, and it should raise the ire of every American not already brainwashed into believing that all money belongs to the government, and that we’re just allowed to keep a certain percentage of it as a show of state benevolence.

The Democrats, for all their supposed consternation, will agree to this deal — essentially, leaving the GOP with a “victory” that includes massive unfunded spending, the status quo on certain tax rates, and the resumption of the death tax for “the rich.”

It also sets the Democrats up to play the class warfare game again come 2012, having focus-grouped a more salable line for who we’re to punish for being “rich” — arriving at the trigger mark of $1 million in earnings — this despite the fact that in 2008, those in the top 5% (AGI at around $160K) earned 35% of adjusted gross income in the US, yet paid 58.7% of the federal income tax, far more than the bottom 95% paid. The top 1% of earners (AGI at $380K) paid 38% .

The Democrat ghouls run on stoking envy.

And yet increasingly, the tax burden in this country is paid for the few, while those with no skin in the game assume the power over taxation by electing those who will agree to soak “the rich.”

I mentioned the other day that a flat tax or fair tax should become a leading issue for the TEA Partiers going forward. Progressive taxation — a tenet of Marxism — leads inexorably to what we’re now seeing: the masses taught to define down “rich” until they have effective control over the wealth of everyone else, at no expense to themselves.

This is institutionalized, legal theft. And it is anything but American.

(h/t TerryH)

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update: Read more here:

Here’s an example. Say you inherited your mother’s home this year. She bought it for $200,000 and today it’s worth $4 million. If you had inherited it last year, you would’ve had to pay estate taxes on half a million (the value of the house, minus the estate-tax exclusion). But since you inherited it this year, you pay no estate tax and instead get taxed on a whopping $2.5 million gain (the $3.8 million gain on the house, minus your $1.3 million exclusion). The irony, of course, is that some people who never would’ve owed estate taxes now might take a capital-gains hit. See why you don’t want to kill off mom this year?

Posted by Jeff G. @ 4:10pm
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Comments (40)

  1. he said spear-carriers for reals?

  2. Well, as long as they don’t start chucking the damned things, it’s all good.

  3. - I think they have to call a deal a deal./sa

  4. - And in case you didn’t see it in the other thread, DADT just failed in the Senate.

  5. If ever I hear someone talking about how they hate the rich, I remember. I sear it into my memory like a John Kerry Cambodia trip. Then if by chance, that same person is working at a store or restaurant or convenience store, I tell them, “I can’t buy anything from you because you hate the rich.”

    It’s fun.

  6. …like a John Kerry Cambodia trip….

    – Magic hat H8ter!

  7. I’m going to consider myself vindicated on this one, justifiably or no :-) Leaving the Wicked Witch of the Avenues out of the original deal was a fatal mistake. They will now spin their wheels for some unknown but gratifying amount of time, trying to come up with something the greedy assholes in the House Democratic Caucus will accept, and whatever they come up with will simply cause more delay because Republicans feel they’ve been generous enough already, and Lame Blues have realized that they have to go home and face the music.

    The DADT failure is as much out of pique as anything else; they already said they wouldn’t do anything else until taxes and the budget went through, and Harry pushed it on them anyway. I reckon DREAM is likely in much the same category. If it had come up today it would’ve gone down around 50 or 51 to 43 or 44, with a goodly number of Democratic Senators “unexpectedly” too busy in their offices to attend the vote. Reid knows that and didn’t bring it up.

    Altogether, not at all a bad day. I even got the new Engine Control Module installed in my car, so I don’t have to drive the ’74 Ford pickup (8 MPG, and I have to buy gas, too) for a while.

    Regards,
    Ric

  8. Progressive tax will never go away. It collects the most revenue while pissing off the fewest voters. Good luck getting joe sixpack (who’s probably not paying any taxes anyways) to think a flat tax is a good idea. FOX won’t even be able to sell that one.

  9. Rush was dancing around something like this today.

    Say the original deal gets passed, the one now with the 55% at 1 mill would be similar but worse, since it is nothing different from what we have now and even worse in some respects the economy stays flat or gets worse. Obama can then go out and say, “Well we tried tax cuts and as I expected they haven’t helped at all, in fact everything is just getting worse for everyone except those rich guys who have stolen all our money.”

    He then can push for very progressive rates during his 2012 campaign. With this thought in mind I now hope he and they fail. Spit it out Nancy.

  10. I gave my son a nice long lecture about the estate tax dealo today.

    If more people explained this shit to their kid, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

    My son is (now) outraged that the government think it should confiscated a person’s wealth upon their demise.

  11. slightly ot

    Right now, too many intellectuals try to turn this into a left/right debate rather than one about the past and the future. There is a liberal case for the radical overhaul of our knowledge industries as well as a Tea Party one. People who want to extend government protections to more groups need to be thinking how government can be radically restructured so it can be more effective at a lower cost. People who want more education to be available for the poor need to think about deep reform in primary and secondary education, and they need to think up ways to reduce the spiraling costs of university education. Those who like the public services provided in troubled blue states like New York, Illinois and California need to redesign state government and find alternatives to the tenured civil service bureaucracies built one hundred years ago. Those who want more access and more equal access to education, to legal services and to medical care need to think about how we can use technology to radically restructure the way we organize and deliver these services — and the more you care about the poor the less you can care about the protests of the guilds.

    link

  12. If things aren’t noticably better in 2012, Obamma will be out on his ass, regardless of how he explains it. OTOH, if things are better, he’ll get reelected no matter how little he had to do with it.

  13. It collects the most revenue while pissing off the fewest voters. Good luck getting joe sixpack (who’s probably not paying any taxes anyways) to think a flat tax is a good idea. FOX won’t even be able to sell that one.

    FOX isn’t an entity. Or even an opinion. They don’t “sell” ideas.

  14. (who’s probably not paying any taxes anyways) to think a flat tax is a good idea.

    Being owned is so nice, peaceful. Now roll over boy, beg, beg, beg.

  15. Put simply: Our country is on the path toward bankruptcy. We must turn around before it’s too late, and the Roadmap offers a clear plan for doing so. But it does more than just fend off disaster. CBO calculations show that the Roadmap would also help create a “much more favorable macroeconomic outlook” for the next half-century. The CBO estimates that under the Roadmap, by 2058 per-person GDP would be around 70% higher than the current trend.

    Is Rep. Ryan’s Roadmap perfect? Of course not—no government plan ever is. But it’s the best plan on the table at a time when doing nothing is no longer an option.

    Let’s not settle for the big-government status quo, which is what the president’s commission offers. We owe it to our children and grandchildren to make these tough decisions so that they might inherit a prosperous and strong America like the one we were given.

    link

  16. And this, my friends, demonstrates clearly and beyond doubt that progressivism is truly a secular religion.

    Because, you see, all goodness, sustenance, guidance, and provision is provided by the generosity of the government. They believe that the government owns everything, and portions it out to each of us, just like our rights (or so they believe); they tell us what we’re allowed to have, regardless of what we may earn. Sounds like a bizzaro twist on Roman Catholic dogma, where God ultimately owns everything, and graces us with its “use” during our lifetimes.

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his need…Which was from the Karl Marx hit parade. So no matter what they may say otherwise, they’re communists, plain and simple.

    The estate tax is criminal, paid on the accumulated after-tax income and assets of an benefactor’s life. While I can see paying the tax on any gains that accumulate after it’s been bequeathed to you, that is all.

    And there can be no electoral justice in this country as long as a signifigant portion, nearly half, of the population pays no tax at all, or actually recieves some redistributed income from another in the form of a check based on the earned income tax credit.

    Perhaps if everybody had some skin in the game, they’d be a bit more reluctant to vote themselves more money from the government trough, or for politicians who advocate such redistributive injustice.

    We need a flat tax, with no loopholes, very much like Mr. Ryan proposes, although there are some other plans I like as well. Get rid of the progressive tax, indeed, get rid of the progressives communists.

    Let ‘em all move to Eurosocialist land, instead of ruining this country by trying to reshape it in Europes failed image.

  17. Thanks for that link, newrouter. I missed that.

    Gotta say, I’m super psyched to hear her saying that.

  18. “Spit it out Nancy.”

    – That is just so wrong on so many levels. Thanx for that disturbing image. May the Dem caucus squat in your post toasties.

  19. Rep. John Adler, who lost his New Jersey seat in the midterm elections, was upset about being excluded. “The Democratic Caucus made a very significant policy decision without including the departing Members of the 111th Congress,” he said. “I support the president’s negotiated plan as a way to continue the economic recovery.”

    Rep. Bobby Bright (Ala.) also said it wasn’t right that they were shut out of such an important vote. “Even though we are in our lame-duck phase, we are still Representatives,” he said. “We should have been invited.”

    Bright, who also lost in the midterms, disagreed with the resolution to not bring the bill to a vote on the floor. “Bring it up, and let’s have an up-or-down vote. That’s the American way,” he said.

    link

  20. @17 don’t tell hf

  21. But Palin thinks Obama is vulnerable, and she implies that she is the one to take him on. “In battleground states, he’s polling at 40% or below,” she notes. “The country is rejecting his agenda … My vision of America is diametrically opposed to his. He sees America as the problem. I see America as the solution.” Asked what she makes of Obama’s presidency thus far, Palin quipped, “Two words: Jimmy Carter.” Asked who can beat him, she needed seven more: “Someone who can draw a sharp contrast.”

    link

  22. “Thanx for that disturbing image.”

    Well at least I didn’t link to the origin.

  23. - Concerning the student rioting going on in the UK (although observers say the crowds are actually only 50% students, with the rest being rent-an-anarchists taking any advantage to stir civil unrest) one commenter posted:

    – “The trouble with Socialism is you always run out of other peoples money to spend.”

  24. joe sixpack (who’s probably not paying any taxes anyways)

    Oh, he’s paying. He may not know it or believe it, but he’s paying. Look into how much of the cost of retail goods is needed to cover not only taxes, but also compliance and documentation. At each point in the supply chain from farm to grocery shelf, or factory to that box delivered to your front porch.

    Look up “Cost of Government Day,” which takes a more complete look at the costs imposed by government both in taxes and in red tape costs. It comes a damn sight later in the year than “Tax Freedom Day.”

    Tell Joe Sixpack about that and he won’t be so complacent about progressive taxation.

  25. Oh, he’s paying.

    Money is the least of Joe Sixpack’s worries. Too bad we can’t transport the more covetous among the breed (those that continue to vote Dem thinking it will get them a sizable portion of their neighbor’s income – those greedy bastards who dare to work 60+ hours a week on their own business and show old Joe up) back a couple a hundred years and into the bodies of slaves (chattel or bond). How’s those “free” meals and shelter workin’ out fer ya, Joe? And all that sunshine and fresh air and exercise? YOu should be grateful…

  26. Sure, everyone is taxed in some way, but it’s hidden in the cost of goods. I still think everyone receiving some kind of income needs to pay something in Federal taxes, even if it’s a minor amount. Everyone needs to directly feel uncle sugar reaching into his wallet with those skeletal, dusty hands.

  27. And I do mean everyone!

  28. flat tax, no with holding. include the folks getting money from the gov’t.

  29. When I was writing that, I had only a vague recollection of when COGD had been in past years.

    AUGUST. FUCKING. 19TH.

    That’s before ObamaCare kicks in fully, and with the whole array of Bush tax cuts still in place.

    Why the fuck aren’t people pushing that in everybody’s face? August fucking 19th. Almost two-thirds of the year we spend working to cover the cost of taxation and unconstitutional government power.

  30. Progressive tax will never go away. It collects the most revenue while pissing off the fewest voters. Good luck getting joe sixpack (who’s probably not paying any taxes anyways) to think a flat tax is a good idea. FOX won’t even be able to sell that one.

    We’ll see.

    And what the fuck does FOXNews have to do with anything?

    I never said it would be easy. If it were easy, you’d be for it. Because you’re lazy — and a lazy thinker who seems to fancy himself something of a bemused objective observer of the American condition. Me, I was told we couldn’t stick to our principles as classical liberals and hope to win ever again. I was told doing such would turn us into a regional party — by the very person who brokered this horrible tax deal for the GOP.

    But we won big in the House and in governor races and state assemblies. And we’ll continue on, challenging those who ostensibly represent us until we find ones who actually will.

    The flat tax is fair. Americans have a cultural history of leaning on “fairness.” It’s just that the fairness they are being fed now is not the same as fairness in the classical liberal sense. But that can and will change. And before long, you’ll see a growing and energized tax reform movement in this country.

    Mark my words.

  31. Indeed, Frum’s reply continues to reflect the faulty analysis of American politics he advanced in 2008, which has left him isolated and estranged from the conservative movement. Frum failed to anticipate the revitalizing and unifying effect Obama’s radicalism would have on the Republican party. Obama’s leftism has undone Frum’s political plans, and Frum’s refusal to acknowledge that fact and climb down from the liberalizing limb upon which he has stranded himself has driven him to ever more self-defeating measures.

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    Frum fails to plainly state the core findings of my research: that Obama was an orthodox Marxist-Leninist in his early college years; that he certainly attended two socialist conferences, which converted him to community organizing; that these conferences sketched a vision of socialist-friendly political coalitions led by African-Americans who would emerge from the ranks of community organizers; that the groups, strategies, and theologies Obama spent a lifetime cultivating were presented at these conferences as the program of a modernized socialism; that Obama worked for his entire career with the very stealth-socialist community organizers in Chicago who had authored the political strategy presented at those early socialist conferences; that these stealth-socialist community organizers sponsored Obama’s political rise; that Obama supported these socialists by channeling foundation money their way for years; that Obama worked closely with this stealth-socialist community-organizing network throughout his time as an Illinois state senator; that Obama has hidden, and particularly in the case of ACORN, bluntly lied about these radical connections; that the tactics, policies, and strategies crafted by Obama’s stealth-socialist organizing mentors have guided his entire political career, including his presidency; and that the same stealth-socialist community organizers who inspired and sponsored Obama’s political career advised his 2008 presidential campaign and continue to work with him at shaping and marshaling support for his presidential agenda.

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  32. flat tax, no with holding. include the folks getting money from the gov’t.

    And the bill comes due in October, not April.

  33. Gridlock is a good good good good good thing.

  34. So the House Democrats want to “just say no” and hold out for a better deal? What possible incentive could the Republicans have to concede to their demands? Who do they think will get the blame if they run out the clock allowing taxes to go up for everyone and unemployment insurance to run out for thousands just because they want to stick it to the “rich”? Will that put them in a position to demand a better deal after the Republicans take control of the House next January?

    Personally, I hope they do screw the deal, I’m not that crazy about all the deficit spending, I’d much rather see off-setting cuts elsewhere to pay for all this, I’d rather see the current tax rates made permanent, and I’d very much like to see the estate tax completely gone. If the House Dems do say “no” I hope that’s the deal they’re offered in January.

    I’ve got to think that Obama is trying to broker a deal now because he knows it’s the last chance he’s got to push something through that he and the Dems won’t find much less to their taste. I rather expect that after a bit of political posturing the House Dems are going to fold like a cheap lawn chair, so long as the Republicans hold the line. But then the Dems have done stupid shit before, so who knows?

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  36. Ah! I see we’ve already had this conversation earlier today. Well, alrighty then! The Republicans should respond by telling the Dems “We’re altering the deal. Pray we don’t alter it any further.” For full effect perhaps they could get Darth Cheney to deliver the message, hmm?

  37. The Republicans should respond by telling the Dems “We’re altering the deal.”

    There’s a not insignificant chance that all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth is intended to stampede the Republicans into supporting a bad deal. (After all, if the progressives hate it, how bad can it be?) We don’t want to end up owning this for all the reasons already mentioned. We also don’t want to be the ones blamed for the double dip that Obama says won’t happen regardless, except that it might if this tax deal isn’t agreed to. So what we should do is nothing. I wouldn’t even take a whip count if it was up to me. Leave the Democrats guessing until the last 15 seconds of the vote, if they can even get a vote on the floor.

  38. So what we should do is nothing.

    Perhaps you’re right, at least if the goal is to pass this “deal” as is. Certainly the Repubs shouldn’t grant any concessions whatever as the deal is already bad enough. I’m just wondering why, in all the news coverage on this deal, no one has pointed out that if the Dems don’t deal now they’re certainly going to fair worse — from their perspective — come January 1st. And now we have Obama saying he’s not ruling out changes, even though Biden told the House Dems Wednesday that the “tax-cut deal can’t be changed”.

    Just wondering where Dick Cheney is when we need him to provide a little clarity!

  39. But we won big in the House and in governor races and state assemblies.

    If I may pick a nit: proportionally, we won even bigger in the Senate than we did in the House; it’s just that there weren’t as many seats up for grabs, and the Objective Media spent a lot of time focused on the couple of races we didn’t win.

    Our platform enjoys great support, even if some of our candidates weren’t perfect. Still, it’s going to be a lot easier for us to find better candidates in the next two years than it will be for the statists to find an appealing way to sell their policies of theft and slavery.

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