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"Lowest ever: Obama job approval sinks to 39% as even Democrats’ support melts away"

Don’t panic, though, progressives. This is less a problem with your God than it is with the way His Message is being crafted and disseminated by His acolytes and high priests.

I blame Fox News.

Oh. And racism, naturally.

297 Replies to “"Lowest ever: Obama job approval sinks to 39% as even Democrats’ support melts away"”

  1. NoisyAndrew says:

    Is racism bigger than God?

  2. Squid says:

    The problem is that we proles are just too stupid to understand the brilliance that Teh Won brings to the table. If we’d just close our eyes to the deficit, unemployment, inflation, consumer spending, state and local government bankruptcy, and Cacklin’ Granny Scarecrow, everything would look a lot better!

  3. happyfeet says:

    He was a fad.

  4. Jeff G. says:

    He was a fad.

    And yet I think this country, on whole, sufficiently stupid or disengaged enough to re-elect him.

    That’s what worries me.

  5. McGehee says:

    Is racism bigger than God?

    Is it possible for Bos’n Higgs to make a non-racist conservative?

  6. Squid says:

    And yet I think this country, on whole, sufficiently stupid or disengaged enough to re-elect him.

    After what we just witnessed at the beginning of this month?

    Teh Won can no longer depend on the adulation of the press. The youth vote has moved on. There is no evil Emperor Chimpy McHitlerburton to whack like a pinata and distract people. The economy remains moribund, as housing prices and employment remain stubbornly low and inflation threatens.

    In short, the empty vessel into which people poured their hopes and dreams has turned out to be a spittoon (if you’re a Dem) or a bedpan (if you’re anyone else).

    You think you’re worried? Have a look at the scrambling the Establishment has done over the last three weeks. Those clowns are effin’ terrified.

  7. sdferr says:

    When was the last time someone went out of their way to fight it out to obtain that Cabbage Patch doll for their kiddie?

  8. Bob Reed says:

    Waterloo…

  9. Jeff G. says:

    After what we just witnessed at the beginning of this month?

    What I saw was the re-election of Harry Reid in an area with the highest foreclosure rate in the country, and 25% effective unemployment. I saw the election of Jerry Brown, and the re-election of Barbara Boxer, in a state nearing bankruptcy, and with 22% unemployment.

    I saw the election of a Marxist in Delaware (oh, and by the way, Ace, Frey, et al? Turns out the Dems had registered something like 27,000 new Dem voters between 2008 and the elections; the GOP? 4000. So no, Castle wouldn’t have won — and the problem was with the GOP establishment, who spent the lion’s share of their money on “moderate” candidates (who lost) and on “administrative costs.”

    Yeah. These are the people I want to see running the country again.)

    Get Obama back on his turf — a-campaignin’ and a-shufflin’ and a speechifying about world popularity and fairness — and the morons will once again become hypnotized.

    They’re like chickens that way.

  10. Bob Reed says:

    Last train to Booooooooosh!ville…

  11. happyfeet says:

    That is very perspicacious of you to mention Bush Mr. Bob. Even though he wasn’t on the Team R ticket the dirty socialists and their media were able to effectively invoke him to rally their base.

    What personage today is most Bush-like in their ability to stoke the hatey hatey passions of the dirty socialist base?

    Hint: It ain’t Mitch Daniels.

  12. Jeff G. says:

    What personage today is most Bush-like in their ability to stoke the hatey hatey passions of the dirty socialist base?

    Hint: It ain’t Mitch Daniels.

    What personage today has the ability to rally the Tea Partiers and the conservative base?

    Hint: It ain’t Mitch Daniels.

  13. Mike LaRoche says:

    Jeff is correct, I fear. One should never underestimate the power of human stupidity. And after seeing Clinton turn things around after the GOP skunked him in ’94, I just can’t be as excited and optimistic even in the wake of the historic Republican gains earlier this month.

  14. Jeff G. says:

    Oh, and before you get started, happy, let me just say this: we know. You’d have to vote for Obama should Sarah and her low-class uterus make a run at the presidency.

    If it comes down to stunning halibut with a tire iron on film, and acting haughty and put off by the bitter clingers, we know which way you fall. For the staunchiness.

    Of course, here’s the deal: Palin would have to win in the GOP primaries. So that will tell you what kind of support she gets among conservatives. At which point she’d have to carry the independent vote at about the rate Christine O’Donnell did (without the help of the GOP establishment, but with the help of Ouija boards and the Dark Lord).

    We’ll see, I guess.

  15. Bob Reed says:

    Make sure John Bolton, and his mustache Regis, of course, are in the mix!

  16. happyfeet says:

    Mr. Jeff if the Tea Party can watch the brutal dirty socialist raping and pillaging of our little country and yet need rallying over and above what inspiration an ardently passionate fiscal conservative like Mr. Daniels can offer then personally I have doubts about their commitment.

  17. Mike LaRoche says:

    If GOP voters are serious about winning in 2012, they will nominate the only person who has proven effective at rallying the conservative/Tea Party base during the past two years: Sarah Palin.

  18. Dewclaw says:

    C’mon feets… just ONE thread not all derailed into obivion by your SPDS.

    I BEG OF YOU! BY ALL THAT IS HOLY!!

    Oh… I blame Bush and Palin…

    That is all.

  19. Dewclaw says:

    damn it… “oblivion”

    Need to start looking at the proofread box better

  20. Mike LaRoche says:

    Or, what Jeff just said. Such are the hazards of posting from a BlackBerry.

  21. happyfeet says:

    I couched my commentings in terms of a positive appeal for a candidate I support just as I have been instructed Mr. Dewclaw

    jeez what’s a little pikachu supposed to do

  22. Jeff G. says:

    Mr. Jeff if the Tea Party can watch the brutal dirty socialist raping and pillaging of our little country and yet need rallying over and above what inspiration an ardently passionate fiscal conservative like Mr. Daniels can offer then personally I have doubts about their commitment.

    If conservatives “can watch the brutal dirty socialist raping and pillaging of our little country and yet” decide that none of that will matter should Sarah Palin win the GOP nomination, perhaps they aren’t as staunch as they pretend to be.

  23. happyfeet says:

    I’m staunch like a flippin’ ninja

  24. Dewclaw says:

    Is “semi-staunch” even a word?

  25. Bob Reed says:

    So now, unless they rally to Mitch Daniels, the staunchness of the Tea Partiers is in question?

    Oy, gevalt…Are you going to go grand mal, “stupid chillbilly”, “Hee-Haw identity politics” peddler, full-on Palin hatin’ on us today happyfeet, or, like Dewclaw requested, give us a break.

    Seriously, many of us admire Daniels. Maybe try arguing the pros, instead of tearing folks down to make your points. It’d sure go over a lot better.

    Or maybe, you know, wait until the primaries start.

    Just a little friendly advice.

  26. Dewclaw says:

    Ninjas are not staunch… they are badass. Like Chuck Norris.

  27. Jeff G. says:

    Also, anybody else find it interesting that the press is suddenly so pro-Bush, provided Barbara takes shots at Sarah Palin?

    The Tea Party was a, ahem, refudiation in many respects of the Bush domestic agenda.

    And yet the press painted Bush’s big-spending compassionate conservatism as “extremism” at the time. Bush was Hitler. He was a vampire, sucking the blood out of liberty.

    Now? The establishment GOP ain’t looking so bad to the lefties, I guess…

  28. McGehee says:

    I’m pretty sure if the Establicans manage to nominate Jeb in 2012 the Tea Party types will be unimpressed.

  29. Dewclaw says:

    Jeff, IMO it’s the old “enemy of my enemy is my friend” bit.

    But in this case it is “the enemy of Sarah Palin is my friend even if he is Chimpy McHitlerburton BOOOOOSH.”

    I bet the impulse to rip their own tongues out giving Bush even a little praise almost overwhelmed them, though.

  30. Bob Reed says:

    Regardless of his record I don’t see Jeb Bush winning any Presidential primaries any time soon.

    But JeffG is right; the sudden Bush love among the communists is astounding.

    Might have something to do with all the talk of cutting spending.

  31. happyfeet says:

    I’d vote for Mr. Jeb against Obama just to make Charlie Crist eat it

  32. Jeff G. says:

    I also love me some articles like this one, from Newshounds.

    Clearly, Palin “can’t say” what she’d do differently. Can’t! Hasn’t a clue! Couldn’t come up with a thing!

  33. Jeff G. says:

    I’d vote for Mr. Jeb

    I think Americans are just aching for some more dynasty politics.

    But I don’t think you’re wrong. The late Bush exposure could be a trial balloon for a Jeb presidential run.

    God help us.

  34. Bob Reed says:

    Take as your consolation that Mr.Rubio made Charlie Christ eat it! Maybe we’re all rid of that perma-tan poseur for good.

  35. Carin says:

    And, apparently we need to get the roof repaired. Why? Why does the city care? There was a business there before ours. We’ve improved the building.

    Why should the city decide if the roof is good enough.

    If it leaks on our product … isn’t it OUR product (we don’t sell food or anything that would fall under some health code violation)? Or are they saving us from ourselves?

  36. Carin says:

    humn. I think I switched threads somehow.

    It’s a mystery.

  37. Bob Reed says:

    The late Bush exposure could be a trial balloon for a Jeb presidential run.

    Wow…I never even considered that possibility. I thought we were waaaaay too close to the Chimperor McHalliburton epoch to even consider that. I can’t imaging the migraine generating dissonance the press would have to endure to pull that kind of u-turn.

    Of course, it would be the same as it was with McCain. He’d be America’s saint during the primaries, and pure shit once the general election started.

  38. SporkLift Driver says:

    And yet I think this country, on whole, sufficiently stupid or disengaged enough to re-elect him.

    After what we just witnessed at the beginning of this month?

    After what I witnessed here in California I’m sure he’ll take the state of California.

    Don’t know how the proggs could make it without the college students and senior citizens spending all day voting dead and fictitious people’s ballots. If we don’t clean up the election process it won’t matter what we the living actual people think.

  39. cranky-d says:

    Whoever runs against Teh Won will be demonized. Whoever runs as a Republican will be cast as a right-wing demagogue. It will not matter who the candidate is, or how much love said candidate gets in the primaries. The MFM has an agenda to promote, and they will not stop even should the country collapse.

    Any argument against any candidate on the grounds of how they will be treated by the MFM is, IMO, worthless.

  40. Bob Reed says:

    From this I garner that Jeb may not be running, at least not right now, ‘Cuz Poppy’s puttin’ it all on Mittenz! ( http://tiny.cc/BushMitt )

    But who’s suprised by that?

  41. Squid says:

    I still think there’s too much pessimism here, given the title of the thread. Can’t we enjoy a little quality gloating before we get wrapped up in the low quality of our erstwhile “allies?”

  42. Jeff G. says:

    The GOP establishment is still likely to push Romney and Huckabee. It’s their turn, you see.

    Bob Dole is busy, I guess. And even they aren’t aren’t dumb enough to try McCain out again.

  43. Jeff G. says:

    I still think there’s too much pessimism here, given the title of the thread.

    Sorry. But there’s an urgency to my pessimism.

  44. Abe Froman says:

    It’s hard not to be pessimistic when the field is so thin that serious people, almost by necessity, are taking Sarah Palin seriously.

  45. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I think we may be entering a period that is the opposite of the period 1968-1994, structurally speaking. The Dems have a built-in advantage in the electoral college and the Republicans have a built in advantage in Congressional districts (assuming they can lock in this year’s results in the upcoming redistricting).

  46. Jeff G. says:

    It’s hard not to be pessimistic when the field is so thin that serious people, almost by necessity, are taking Sarah Palin seriously.

    It’s easy to do, Abe, if you don’t think of her the way the left thought about Obama.

    Can she handle criticism? Has she been battle tested in a disproportionate vetting game by the liberal press? Can she delegate? Can she identify and support those who are ideologically like-minded (while still, with graciousness, making enough “pragmatic” concessions to those who introduced her to the broader public?) Does she stand for the right principles and have the balls to stick to them and assert them in language that even the most dense drone can understand? Does she have the wisdom enough to remain humble? Does she have the bravery enough to stand for American exceptionalism as an historical fact — and to reassert the reasons for that exceptionalism as a blue print for bringing the country back from the brink — and yet do so while refusing to “admit” that to do so is a sign of unwarranted “arrogance”? Will she stand strong for national defense? Will she protect free speech and free enterprise? Will she advance a Constitutional agenda, and nominate judges who adhere to said agenda? Is she of age? Have the right citizenship to run?

    I think she meets the criteria. So yeah, I take her seriously, and I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t, frankly.

    Anyone still standing as a viable candidate after what she’s been through is probably a pretty strong candidate. The rest we can suss out in the primaries, should she decide to run.

  47. NoisyAndrew says:

    The GOP establishment is still likely to push Romney and Huckabee. It’s their turn, you see.

    I fear you speak the truth. In fairness, however, both of those clowns lost to John McCain. Neither of them are beloved outside of the establishment. In fact, I can’t see either of them getting much love out of anyone. Huckabee’s an economic heretic and Romney’s made of plastic.

    I like Mitch Daniels. I’ll vote for him in the primary. I like Mike Pence, too. But if She of the Mighty Uterus gets the nom, then I’ll vote for her against The Fallen Won in a heartbeat. If only to see Rachel Maddow’s head explode.

  48. sdferr says:

    Is it or will it be a question of the running current of the public’s eros at the time of nomination? Should it be?

  49. happyfeet says:

    And now these three remain: faith, love and fear. But the greatest of these is fear.

    Or at least it should be.

  50. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Nothing good ever came from fear.

    “Be Not Afraid”

    “I Hope He Fails”

    There’s a common thread there.

  51. cranky-d says:

    Nominations are over a year away. Anything can happen in that time.

  52. alppuccino says:

    I need an unguent for the McCain/Obama debates where Johnny was terrified of calling out a “black” man for his faults.

    Sarah would definitely be your man for that. I’d watch the Palin/Obama debate on pay-per-view. She’ll pull no punches due to melaninophobia.

  53. McGehee says:

    Nothing good ever came from fear.

    If fear leads to (1) determination to defeat the person or thing causing the fear and (2) an intelligent approach to achieving (1), then I would take issue with that.

    Nothing good ever came from giving in to fear.

  54. Mike LaRoche says:

    I think she meets the criteria. So yeah, I take her seriously, and I don’t see why anyone wouldn’t, frankly.

    Outside of the rubric of condescension toward someone of the “country class” presuming to challenge her betters, there really is no reason to consider Palin’s aspirations to the presidency to be unserious. That she as withstood the endless barrage of media and entertainment hatred over the past two years proves that she is no shrinking violet and will not allow her enemies to define her. Moreover, her comments on QE2 are more than adequate evidence that she is capable of engaging complex issues of policy.

    As for those who may claim that an “elite” education is a necessary qualification for national leadership, consider this: Sarah Palin is a University of Idaho graduate and Meghan McCain is a Columbia graduate.

  55. cranky-d says:

    Reagan graduated from Eureka college. What a loser.

  56. Dave in SoCal says:

    Fear leads to Anger
    Anger leads to Hate
    Hate leads to Suffering

    Oh Nos!!

  57. Abe Froman says:

    As for those who may claim that an “elite” education is a necessary qualification for national leadership, consider this: Sarah Palin is a University of Idaho graduate and Meghan McCain is a Columbia graduate.

    That’s true. But I think people have gone off the fucking rails with this anti-elitism claptrap. Sarah Palin doesn’t sound like a “lowly University of Idaho graduate,” she sounds like a bored Alaska housewife who has listened to Rush Limbaugh for years. And Rush, incidentally, dropped out of a tenth-rate college but is obviously smart as fuck and, while perhaps equally polarizing, can communicate a conservative vision to a mass audience a thousand times more competently than she can. This idea that expecting basic persuasive abilities is code for Ivy Leaguer is just as silly as it would be to take Meghan seriously because daddy’s social standing got her fat ass into Columbia.

  58. Jeff G. says:

    can communicate a conservative vision to a mass audience a thousand times more competently than she can.

    Seems to me the numbers suggest she’s not too shabby at it, either.

    Maybe it’s the accent that bothers you so much. Or the homespun speech tics.

  59. Abe Froman says:

    I like the accent. I like the killing of mooses. I like that she has obvious libertarian impulses in spite of the Christer label what little pikachus affix to her. The problem I have is strictly based on the fact that supporters are responding to the music while she has shown no ability to write the lyrics.

  60. sdferr says:

    The presidential candidates talk is ginning up. For my own part, would that it were not so: that the whole country would see fit to wait until later in 2011. However, there isn’t any sense trying to command the tide to retreat.

    Still, I’d beseech folks to believe that the presidency is not about eros; it is not about our longings for the candidate; it is not about any claims the candidate might make of longings for us. I have little reason, of course, to expect to be heard. People will love what they will love, all other protestations to the contrary be damned. (Again with instructing the tide.) One can only pray that even though they’re deep in the grip of love-sickness these lovers may stumble into an image of the fool in love and that the image resonates loudly enough, forcefully enough to awaken them from their dreamy slumbers.

    Then, I only hope folks will take a moment to savor an image of a debate in the summer of 2012 between Barack Obama and a serious conservative candidate, and the eviscerative, surely gory intellectual blood letting that will be. Serious men can do genuinely cruel, frightfully horrible things in pursuit of their aims. And a grimly serious candidate — I believe — can be found when it comes to the threatened death of his nation as the alternative to stepping forward. Hungry moose gutting broads are no exception. Even if being serious may require stepping aside.

  61. Pablo says:

    Song and dance, or meat and potatoes?

    “The last 45 of my 66 years I’ve spent in a commercial fishing town in Alaska. I understand Alaska politics but never understood national politics well until this last year. Here’s the breaking point: Neither side of the Palin controversy gets it.It’s not about persona, style, rhetoric, it’s about doing things. Even Palin supporters never mention the things that I’m about to mention here.

    “1- Democrats forget when Palin was the Darling of the Democrats, because as soon as Palin took the Governor’s office away from a fellow Republican and tough SOB, Frank Murkowski, she tore into the Republican’s “Corrupt Bastards Club” (CBC) and sent them packing. Many of them are now residing in State housing and wearing orange jump suits. The Democrats reacted by skipping around the yard, throwing confetti and
    singing “la la la la” (well, you know how they are). Name another governor in this country that has ever done anything similar. But while you’re thinking, I’ll continue.

    “2- Now with the CBC gone, there were fewer Alaskan politicians to protect the huge, giant oil companies here. So, she constructed and enacted a new system of splitting the oil profits called “ACES”. Exxon (the biggest corporation in the world) protested and Sarah told them “don’t let the door hit you in the stern on your way out.” They stayed, and Alaska residents went from being merely wealthy to being filthy rich. Of course the other huge international oil companies meekly fell in line. Again, give me the name of any other governor in the country that has
    done anything similar.

    “3- The other thing she did when she walked into the governor’s office is she got the list of State requests for federal funding for projects, known as “pork”. She went through the list, took 85% of them and placed them in the “when-hell-freezes-over” stack. She let locals know that if we need something built, we’ll pay for it ourselves. Maybe she figured she could use the money she got from selling the previous governor’s jet because it was extravagant. Maybe she could use the money she saved by dismissing the governor’s cook (remarking that she could cook for her
    own family), giving back the State vehicle issued to her, maintaining that she already had a car, and dismissing her State provided security force (never
    mentioning-I imagine-that she’s packing heat herself). I’m still waiting to hear the names of those other governors.

    added after original posting
    FFY07- Murkowski’s federal requests total: 63 projects @ $349,497,000
    FFY10- Governor Palin’s federal requests total: 8 projects @ $69,100,000
    It’s 80% not 85% … oops

    “4- Now, even with her much-ridiculed “gosh and golly” mannerism, she also managed to put together a totally new approach to getting a natural gas pipeline built which will be the biggest private construction project in the history of North America. No one else could do it although they tried. If that doesn’t impress you, then you’re trying too hard to be unimpressed while watching her do things like this while
    baking up a batch of brownies with her other hand.

    “5- For 30 years, Exxon held a lease to do exploratory drilling at a place called Point Thompson. They made excuses the entire time why they couldn’t start drilling. In truth they were holding it like an investment. No governor for 30 years could make them get started. This summer, she told them she was revoking their lease and kicking them out. They protested and threatened court action. She shrugged and reminded them that she knew the way to the court house. Alaska won again.

    added after orginal posting (from Tommy Report Petroleum News 8/09)
    “…Cashman also notes that it’s unlikely that Exxon/Mobil would have started drilling in Point Thomson had Governor Palin not taken a tough stand with producers… Even under ACES, Exxon/Mobil and its partners should be able to recoup more than 45% of their $1.3 billion cost of developing their phase 1 Point Thomson project , it is doubtful the Point Thomson partners would have made the decision to move forward with the high pressure gas cycling project under ACES if they weren’t in danger of losing their leases tot he State of Alaska.”

    (Feb ’10) Well, they started drilling (the first drilling there since 1983. February 9th They hit a pocket containing 8 trillion cubic feet of natural gas. That’s a shit-load of gas … now equaling 25% of all the gas in the North Slope. Palin sure has a knack for making the right decisions, huh?

    “6- President Obama wants the nation to be on 25% renewable resources for electricity by 2025. Sarah went to the legislature and submitted her plan for Alaska to be at 50% renewables by 2025. We are already at 25%. I can give you more specifics about things done, as opposed to style and persona . Everybody wants to be cool, sound cool, look cool. But that’s just a cover-up. I’m still waiting to hear from liberals the names of other governors who can match what mine has done in two and a half years. I won’t be holding my breath.

    “By the way, she was content to to return to AK after the national election and go to work, but the haters wouldn’t let her. Now these adolescent screechers are obviously not scuba divers. And no one ever told them what happens when you continually jab and pester a barracuda. Without warning, it will spin around and tear your face off. Shoulda known better.”

    I forgot to mention in this original posting the a couple of years ago, Palin also posted the State’s checkbook and ledger on line, displaying any check over a thousand bucks, who and what it was for.

    Oops, I shouldn’t have used the “CBC” (Corrupt Bastards Club) depiction, which was a different unrelated event, but instead used “GOB” (Good Ol’ Boys). Sarah’s narrative is accurate, mine is funny.

    Granted, her elocution is grating at best. I hear her say things like “Tea Party Americans” and I want to slap her silly myself. But to suggest that she is without substance is to ignore her actual record.

  62. Makewi says:

    Where do you plot yourself on the fear – love scale? Don’t be a fear prisoner.

  63. bh says:

    I don’t really check out her facebook page unless someone links so does anyone know if she has been talking much about fiscal issues lately? (Caught her thoughts on monetary policy so no need for a link there.)

  64. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The problem I have is strictly based on the fact that supporters are responding to the music while she [Palin] has shown no ability to write the lyrics.

    Death Panels

    I can listen to that song over and over and over again.

  65. happyfeet says:

    she said the fiscal policies of the American people are the commonsense conservatism no matter what the lamestream media says

  66. Abe Froman says:

    Yeah, I wasn’t really talking about Facebook posts. More the ability to stare Katie Couric in the face, call them “Death Panels” and explain why that’s the case in a compelling way without melting into a puddle of fail because Katie thinks she’s a dummyhead.

  67. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Katie Couric and Charlie Gibson are on McCain’s people, not Palin.

    And you’re only as smart on TV as the editor let’s you be.

    Kinda like print. Or radio, if you think of the mute button as push-button editing.

  68. bh says:

    From your comment, Jeff:

    Does she stand for the right principles and have the balls to stick to them and assert them in language that even the most dense drone can understand?

    My bold. To be honest I only think so without knowing so. I’d like for her to give a few speeches or write a few essays where she fleshed out her principles. I know that politicians hate doing that because people might be turned off by the specifics. But, without that, I can’t say that I know she’d represent me.

    (Related: It’d be nice if the GOP candidates collectively demanded competent moderators so the debates could actually draw out their thoughts on issues important to conservatives rather than a series of gotcha questions for progressive amusement/propaganda.)

  69. happyfeet says:

    going rogue means standing up for your values no matter what the lamestream media throws at you, bh

  70. sdferr says:

    Or lose the “moderators” altogether would be my preference. Less noise, more fight.

  71. Abe Froman says:

    She doesn’t come across all that much better when she’s having her hand held, Ernst. Certainly not enough so to enable me to believe that the 250 million people who don’t watch FOX are going to change whatever opinion they’ve formed about her already.

  72. Abe Froman says:

    You’re not smart enough to employ snark in a way that makes you look like anything but a jackass, hf.

  73. happyfeet says:

    I should probably just buck up or stay in the truck.

  74. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Bush’s IQ dropped 10 points everytime a TV camera was pointed at him. Daddy’s too as I recall. So I don’t think it’s as hopeless as you do.

    I know! Palin needs to pick a fight with Dan Rather!

  75. bh says:

    That’s an intriguing idea about dropping the moderators, sdferr.

  76. Pablo says:

    Yeah, I wasn’t really talking about Facebook posts. More the ability to stare Katie Couric in the face, call them “Death Panels” and explain why that’s the case in a compelling way without melting into a puddle of fail because Katie thinks she’s a dummyhead.

    Here’s the first thing you do with Katie: Don’t give her 2 days of all access interview so it can be trimmed down to the worst 20 minutes of it.

    And you’re only as smart on TV as the editor let’s you be.

    Because that.

  77. Jeff G. says:

    I’d like for her to give a few speeches or write a few essays where she fleshed out her principles. I know that politicians hate doing that because people might be turned off by the specifics. But, without that, I can’t say that I know she’d represent me.

    Well, I might not yet know if she’s a true policy wonk, but I can tell just from who in the political realm hates her so much that she’s drawing the right kinds of enemies…

    And Pablo links a piece in the comments that is very telling, as well. The reason she pisses off both establishment parties is because she’s more classically liberal / libertarian than Republican (a point I made several times when she was elevated to VP candidate). The press and others will soon start referring to this more and more as populism, because that sounds all Huey Long, or WJB, and it invokes memories of Andy Griffith or Broderick Crawford duping the people.

    That’s Bill O’Reilly. I get a completely different vibe off Palin.

  78. happyfeet says:

    I can tell just from who in the political realm hates her so much that she’s drawing the right kinds of enemies…

    this argument got stale many many moons ago I think. There’s little inherent advantage to a president having the right kinds of enemies, especially if all she does is spout meaningless chirpy nostrums about commonsense conservatism. I think the “all the right people hate her meme” is just a smokescreen people throw up to try and make a virtue of the fact that the level of contempt the lady inspires is truly truly impressive.

  79. Abe Froman says:

    Here’s the first thing you do with Katie: Don’t give her 2 days of all access interview so it can be trimmed down to the worst 20 minutes of it.

    Undoubtedly true. But I probably shouldn’t have used Katie Couric, because my point isn’t really about her worst twenty minutes so much as not seeing any evidence as yet that her best 2o minutes are good enough. I’ve made the request a handful of times before, but nothing will change my opinion quicker than someone linking me to an example of her being interviewed where she gets that she isn’t running for right wing prom queen.

  80. newrouter says:

    I think the “all the right people hate her meme” is just a smokescreen people throw up to try and make a virtue of the fact that the level of contempt the lady inspires is truly truly impressive.

    she’s managed to frighten the leaders of the communist and cocktail party. that counts.

  81. happyfeet says:

    all the right people hated Bush and frankly that didn’t work out so super wonderful I don’t think

  82. newrouter says:

    someone linking me to an example of her being interviewed where she gets that she isn’t running for right wing prom queen.

    well mittens is running for the right wing prom king

  83. Jeff G. says:

    this argument got stale many many moons ago I think.

    Well, I’d say the whole “hoochie Christer cumslut dolt” bit got stale, too. But to each his own, clearly.

    I think the “all the right people hate her meme” is just a smokescreen people throw up to try and make a virtue of the fact that the level of contempt the lady inspires is truly truly impressive.

    You lost me at “I think.”

    Personally, I don’t care how you justify your role in the contempt brigade. If you want to let yourself off the hook for hating the kooky country hag for speaking in folksy snippets, have at it. Just don’t pretend doing so shows any kind of deep thinking or reflection or sophistication on your part. It’s snobbery, plain and simple.

    Is all I’m saying.

  84. newrouter says:

    all the right people hated Bush

    no all the communists hated w because he liked america

  85. McGehee says:

    60. sdferr posted on 11/23 @ 2:23 pm

    Well said.

  86. Jeff G. says:

    all the right people hated Bush and frankly that didn’t work out so super wonderful I don’t think

    It worked out better than Gore / Kerry would have.

  87. happyfeet says:

    well if you want to make like her super high negatives mean she’s super-wondermous, have at it – but historically what negatives like hers mean is that she’s a lot unlikely to defeat a sitting president

  88. Jeff G. says:

    well if you want to make like her super high negatives mean she’s super-wondermous, have at it – but historically what negatives like hers mean is that she’s a lot unlikely to defeat a sitting president

    I don’t judge her based on any kind of marketing data or focus group research.

    What that historically means is I vote my conscience, advocate for people who I feel will best represent me, and let the chips fall where they may.

    I’m staunch.

  89. McGehee says:

    Now with the CBC gone

    Would that were true. See Murkowski, Lisa.

  90. Jeff G. says:

    Would that were true. See Murkowski, Lisa.

    Many crept back in, sure. But to be fair, lots of outside money and power brought to bear there…

  91. McGehee says:

    but historically what negatives like hers mean is that she’s a lot unlikely to defeat a sitting president

    FWIW, this is a valid point. It’s worth comparing her negatives to those of Ronald Reagan circa 1978, or Bill Clinton’s circa 1990, as opposed to, say, Bob Done circa 1994.

  92. McGehee says:

    Bob Done

    Freudian slip. You know who I mean.

  93. LTC John says:

    I think it spot on – look how much the staunchetti dislikes her. That makes me gravitate toward lookingat her, almost reflexively

  94. McGehee says:

    But to be fair, lots of outside money and power brought to bear there…

    In the case of Princess Lisa, yes. But the Alaska State Senate, if I’m not mistaken, is still controlled by a coalition of Democrats and CBC Republifucks.

  95. LTC John says:

    #92 – Oh, I knew right away…ha!

  96. happyfeet says:

    ok fine but this isn’t a marketing thing, not all of it… there are reasons aside from snobbery to dislike Sarah Palin, mister – her crass opportunism more than suffices I think, and the creepy personality cult what has formed around her is another.

  97. bh says:

    Well, if she’s not a true wonk, that doesn’t really bother me. Because you can always hire wonks. Yeah, there is always the record to look at. Pablo’s link and excerpt is certainly reassuring. It’s definitely why so many of us were jazzed (and frankly surprised) at McCain’s choice.

    Up above you mentioned how Mitch Daniels probably isn’t the guy who can rally the tea party and the conservative base. I’m slowly coming to that conclusion myself. He’s sorta this cycle’s Fred Thompson for me, I guess.

    I’d like for someone else to take up portions of his basic message though. I’d be thrilled if a few of them did.

  98. McGehee says:

    Happyfeet, what self-respecting country would let itself be led by someone who wasn’t opportunistic?

    Just because she refuses to go away as instructed by her betters (who are the most prone to thrown around words like “crass,” by the way), and laughs at their outrage, doesn’t make her a bad person.

  99. cranky-d says:

    The fuzzy, electrified pokemon has Palin issues, and that’s that. He will never run out of reasons to dislike her.

  100. happyfeet says:

    she’s a failed half-term governor what thinks she’s the next Reagan

    that’s just zany, Mr. McGehee

    I really do think that this situation where you have dreck like Obama and Palin suddenly given to entertaining presidential aspirations and the advent of reality tv are intimately related phenomena some how.

  101. happyfeet says:

    *somehow*

  102. newrouter says:

    The madness and the destruction is quite deliberate. It has a piurpose and the ideas behind it have a pedigree. It’s the Gramscian praxis (if I may steal a marxist term) of demoralization / destabilization / ‘normalization’. But it’s really older than that. Here’s what Niccolo Machiavelli, 15th century advisor to Florentine nobles had to say when it came to conquering those who lived in relative freedom:

    “When cities or provinces have been accustomed to live under a prince… they do not know how to live in freedom… and a prince can win them over with greater faculty and establish himself securely. But in republics, there is greater life…they do not and cannot cast aside the memory of their ancient liberty, so that the surest way to conquer them is to lay them waste.”

    –This, from Machiavelli’s most famous work, The Prince, bedtime reading for the likes of Bill Clinton and 0bama.

    Machiavelli’s point is quite simple: you cannot rule a free and prosperous people. You must first lay them waste as he said. This is one of the only contexts in which recent political and economic events make sense. No one wants to believe this, however. To do so means giving up a great deal, not least of which is our fantasy of living in a safe, stable and predictable world. And along the way, perhaps, abandoning some deeply held and cherished beliefs regarding human nature and history.

    At the end od the day, it’s not about money or ideaology. It’s about power – the acquisition and exercise of pure, naked absolute power.

    link

  103. Abe Froman says:

    I forgot to mention this but I saw a big Sarah Palin’s Alaska billboard in Manhattan the other day. It gives me great joy to picture all the exploding heads that it’s causing.

  104. newrouter says:

    she’s a failed half-term governor what thinks she’s the next Reagan

    smacking down exxon-mobil and building a pipe line that was languishing for 15 years ain’t no fail cupcake

  105. McGehee says:

    she’s a failed half-term governor

    I realize you choke on large quantities of text like in Pablo’s comment I linked on “failed,” but you desperately need to go back and read it.

    When you call Palin failed, you are stating an opinion contradicted by fact. If you refuse to avail yourself of those facts despite their being served up to you on a silver platter, you are a fucking damn liar.

    Is that what you want to be, Happyfeet? A fucking damn liar?

  106. happyfeet says:

    I don’t want to be a fucking damn liar but I have to finish a report then later I can read your thinger

  107. Jeff G. says:

    Up above you mentioned how Mitch Daniels probably isn’t the guy who can rally the tea party and the conservative base. I’m slowly coming to that conclusion myself. He’s sorta this cycle’s Fred Thompson for me, I guess.

    I’d like for someone else to take up portions of his basic message though. I’d be thrilled if a few of them did.

    Whether or not Daniels will gain traction will depend on if he runs and how he performs. I only said what I said to throw the logic (such as it is) back on the Palin griefer.

  108. Jeff G. says:

    her crass opportunism more than suffices I think, and the creepy personality cult what has formed around her is another.

    Yeah. It all began probably when she got on to the school board, thinking one day, American may pine for someone willing to fight both establishment parties

    You’d think she’d be rewarded for such forward thinking.

    And you may not want to hear it, but the “creepy personality cult” that has grown around Palin has much to do with people feeling protective of those whose only sin appears to be that they aren’t polished enough to get in the good graces of the staunch, designer cupcake crowd.

  109. Stephanie says:

    I’d rather have a governor what quit when her ability to continue to govern was sabotaged by the failshit bullshit that the progs and others saddled her with while stating that they were going to sabotage her than a POS who actively looks for the distractions like running for office whilst continuing to draw a check and leaving the actual governing and senatoring to their unelected staff.

    But that’s just me.

  110. happyfeet says:

    that’s not fair Mr. Jeff I was very very very supportive of Palin until she got all quitty and did the sleazy politics media revolving door thing – there’s plenty of comments here from when we first met her and through the campaign to prove it

  111. bh says:

    Whether or not Daniels will gain traction will depend on if he runs and how he performs. I only said what I said to throw the logic (such as it is) back on the Palin griefer.

    Oh. His initial “I’m not running, I’m just doing a ton of media appearances” exploratory effort has been bumpy enough to worry me. Think he’s already close to being a deal breaker for half the so cons.

    (He’d make a heck of Cheney-esque Veep though. ?/Daniels ’12!)

  112. LBascom says:

    “all the right people hated Bush and frankly that didn’t work out so super wonderful I don’t think”

    Besides being elected twice you mean?

    That is what you’re talking about, getting elected, right?

  113. Abe Froman says:

    that’s not fair Mr. Jeff I was very very very supportive of Palin until she got all quitty and did the sleazy politics media revolving door thing – there’s plenty of comments here from when we first met her and through the campaign to prove it

    That’s true. I remember you were very vocal in your outrage over David Letterman’s “statutory rape joke about Willow Palin.”

  114. Pablo says:

    I don’t want to be a fucking damn liar but I have to finish a report then later I can read your thinger

    Perhaps once you’ve done that you can explain how more Governor Palin and less Governor Parnell would have been to Alaska’s benefit.

  115. happyfeet says:

    lee I think the dirty socialist ascendancy what led to Obamacare and national penury is directly attributable to the negativity what the propaganda whore media manufactured against Mr. Bush

    yes that is true Mr. Froman that was me but Mr. Jeff was right – that was unfair to Mr. Letterman – I can’t remember why but later on I had an epiphany and I told Mr. Jeff in an email that he had been right about that all along.

  116. newrouter says:

    well if sister sarah can tell exxon-mobil to pound salt why not: epa, ethanol, edu dept. or all the other losers in the fed budget. i don’t get that ‘tude from the rest of the cocktail party peeps.

  117. Jeff G. says:

    that’s not fair Mr. Jeff

    Either you answer the many many many responses here to your “Palin failed” meme, or you don’t. Until you do, the rest is griefering.

    But hey, it’s your time. If that’s what gets your rocks off…

  118. LBascom says:

    “I think the dirty socialist ascendancy what led to Obamacare and national penury is directly attributable to the negativity what the propaganda whore media manufactured against Mr. Bush”

    So, your goal is to find someone to champion the charge against the socialist dogs that the propaganda whore media won’t manufacture negativity against?

    Good luck with that…

  119. Jeff G. says:

    So, your goal is to find someone to champion the charge against the socialist dogs that the propaganda whore media won’t manufacture negativity against?

    Meghan McCain 2012!

  120. geoffb says:

    I don’t know if this has been linked. Palin on Judge Napolitano’s show, on fiscal policy.

  121. geoffb says:

    Palin’s Ready for ‘Another Revolution’ February 7, 2010 By Robert Costa. Video of the speech mentioned in article.

  122. happyfeet says:

    I don’t get how you call letting yourself be hounded out of office a Win. George Will and I feel the same way. That after Tina Fey in particular dummied her up Sarah Palin really needed to go back to Alaska and govern with skill and create a record of good governance for herself. Maybe bone up a bit on some of the more challenging issues that had arisen during the campaign like the economy and national security. She decided instead to join Mr. Will in the field of “news personality.”

    So I read that thinger.

    So she renegotiated some oil contracts and put a deal together to explore building a pipeline. Yay. She doesn’t begin to approach the impressive governing record of Mr. Daniels. She can’t hold a candle to his accomplishments.

    I also don’t get why I’m supposed to rah rah the part where she locks Alaska into an arbitrary commitment to renewable energy.

  123. geoffb says:

    Excerpts of Sarah Palin’s Speech to Investors in Hong Kong.

  124. newrouter says:

    “They don’t have a clue how to govern in an era in which money and power are massively constrained.”

    But the demorats, now THOSE boys know how to govern.

    Bishop on November 23, 2010 at 7:07 PM

    link

  125. Jeff G. says:

    Palin on Judge Napolitano’s show, supporting Ron Paul and the Fed audit.

    Probably because she wants to control your vagina and force you to eat Christ’s body in cracker form.

  126. cranky-d says:

    I really need to fix trollhammer.

  127. bh says:

    Thanks for the links, Geoff.

  128. bh says:

    Just finished watching that video, by the way. Liked what she was saying.

  129. alppuccino says:

    Still, it’s funny that we’ve got an idiot in the WH who jokes about stopping by Hugo Chavez’s house with Air Force One, and Palin’s fitness can still be questioned.

    We’ve got an Open Mike Night disaster for president people! It’s all up from here!

  130. newrouter says:

    Sarah Palin really needed to go back to Alaska and govern with skill and create a record of good governance for herself

    her 2 year record stands as how to deal with the cocktail and communist parties. yea as ” babs mother of pearls” says stay in ak so the communists could tie her up.

  131. happyfeet says:

    I think bumblefuck sets the bar really low but that doesn’t mean we have to do the same

  132. Jeff G. says:

    I don’t get how you call letting yourself be hounded out of office a Win.

    I don’t understand how doing what’s best for your state is self-serving, or a loss.

    Lookit! I can spin too!

  133. Stephanie says:

    So she renegotiated some oil contracts and put a deal together to explore building a pipeline. Yay. She doesn’t begin to approach the impressive governing record of Mr. Daniels. She can’t hold a candle to his accomplishments.

    Yeesh. She uhh… performed as governor.

    And exactly how would you describe Mr. Daniels impressive governing record? And exactly what differs in what he did to what she has done? They both had budgets, they both dealt with legislatures, they both brought commerce to their states, they both did alot of the same things. IOW, they were both governors. Exactly where does his record shine and hers does not?

  134. alppuccino says:

    I think bumblefuck sets the bar really low but that doesn’t mean we have to do the same

    Oh I deg to biffer happy. Obama has shown us that we can have a severely retarded man for president and so far survive and maybe even flourish again as a country. Now if someone like Palin has the intention of making the Federal govt and the president less consequential, but has some balls, unlike a certain empty scrotum currently residing at Penn Ave (and not Michelle, because I think her scrotum has mashed potatoes or a couple omelets in there) than let’s go on that ride.

  135. Jeff G. says:

    Bar low blah blah cumslut hoochie opportunist blah.

    She has to win the primaries to be the GOP nominee. You’ll have plenty of time to help the left tear her down then.

    If I may, I’d suggest finding video of her admitting she flirted with witchcraft. And then send it to some of the pragmatists on the right.

    Voila! She’s DOOMED!

  136. alppuccino says:

    rather then than than.

  137. happyfeet says:

    I think this devotion to Sarah Palin given the sparseness of her record is rash and foolhardy.

    I do not approve.

  138. Stephanie says:

    OHHH.. football stats. Daniels team v Palin team.

    I suspect the score would be alot too close for Pikachu comfort.

  139. Jeff G. says:

    I think this devotion to Sarah Palin given the sparseness of her record is rash and foolhardy.

    I think you’re a proximate cause for such devotion.

  140. alppuccino says:

    My vote goes to anyone who says to FROTUS in a televised debate: “You’re really not that smart, are you?”

  141. Jeff G. says:

    Okay, I’m still sick, and all this is just making my stomach turn more.

    Later.

  142. happyfeet says:

    feel better Mr. Jeff

  143. newrouter says:

    I think this devotion to Sarah Palin given the sparseness of her record is rash and foolhardy.

    it helps if you ignore facts and think a dull white guy from indiana is a cupcake

  144. happyfeet says:

    Mr. al if she popped off with that I would vote for her without reservation.

  145. cranky-d says:

    Nothing makes me like Palin more than reading the electric fuzzball tearing her down without reasonable cause.

  146. Stephanie says:

    During his first year in office, he proposed a number of tax increases, budget cuts, and privatization plans to balance the budget. Because of the opposition led by Republican Speaker of the House Brian Bosma, only two of the new taxes were approved.

    (Wiki)

    Try as I might, I don’t seem to see “a number of tax increases” in Palin’s wiki, except those that she had PUT ON THE BALLOT for a referendum while mayor. I do note that she reduced property taxes 75% and reduced spendings big time by hundreds of millions each year she was governor and reduced the personal expenses of the governor’s office by 80% over her predecessor.

    I know which of those wiki bios I prefer at first blush. When the republican establishment of your state is to the right of your tax policy, you ain’t exactly staunch..

  147. cranky-d says:

    Well, you are an expert in shallow and unseemly, electric rodent.

  148. happyfeet says:

    On his first day in office, Daniels created Indiana’s first Office of Management and Budget to look for inefficiencies and cost savings throughout State government. In 2005, he led Indiana to its first balanced budget in eight years and turned the $600 million deficit he inherited into a $300 million surplus in a single year. He used this surplus to repay hundreds of millions of dollars the State had borrowed from Indiana’s public schools in previous administrations. Also on his first day in office, he decertified all government employee unions, removing the requirement that State employees be union members; and, within eight months, 92% of government union members quit their union.

    this is an impressive executive record

  149. McGehee says:

    her 2 year record

    …means she still has more executive experience than Obama.

  150. geoffb says:

    Re; #127,

    You’re welcome bh.

    Had to go make some oyster stew for dinner and now must eat it while it’s hot.

  151. cranky-d says:

    I like Daniels, and if he wins the primaries, I will be happy to vote for him. I feel the same way about Palin. Anyone who decides to run will be thoroughly vetted as well as trashed. I can wait for the process to be carried out.

  152. Jeff G. says:

    this is an impressive executive record

    It is.

    Unfortunately, I don’t like the name “Mitch.” I think our failshit little country what is failshit is looking a lot for a candidate what has a strong name and “Mitch” doesn’t cut it for strength and inspiration which is too bad because his record seems good and I could go on but I have to find the next big trend in street tacos yum.

  153. McGehee says:

    …and I’m even leaving out her time as mayor of Wasilla. Closest Obama came to that was being editor of the Harvard Law Review, which he managed to do without actually editing anything.

  154. bh says:

    I doubt she reduced spending by hundreds of millions a year. Perhaps she kept growth below some baseline assumptions. Certainly the budget went up every year regardless.*

    (Which I’m assuming is the case for every other state over that time period as well. But, let’s not pretend that anyone has actually ever cut a budget.)

  155. happyfeet says:

    I think you’re mocking me

  156. Stephanie says:

    My complaint with Daniels is he is too fond of “tax cuts” that are replaced with “tax hikes.” Reduces property taxes with increases in sales taxes. Funds health initiatives with cigarette taxes. And those tax cut/hikes were for stadiums and convention centers… not exactly what conservatives should be spending money on. If the failshit footballers want a newer stadium, let the failshit footballers pay for it. Maybe with some tax incentives it would be OK, but don’t ask the taxpayers to pay for a stadium with tax hikes…

    bh…

    …she used her veto power to make the second-largest cuts of the construction budget in state history. The $237 million in cuts represented over 300 local projects, and reduced the construction budget to $1.6 billion.[105]

    In 2008, Palin vetoed $286 million, cutting or reducing funding for 350 projects from the FY09 capital budget.

  157. Pablo says:

    I don’t get how you call letting yourself be hounded out of office a Win.

    You must not be a When Life Hands You Lemons Make Lemonade person. Sarah seems to have made millions and millions of lemonade, among other things.

  158. Jeff G. says:

    I think you’re mocking me

    I’m not mocking your mr happy its just that “mitch” doesn’t scream strength really more like oh no, don’t hit me with that ball, Butch, I promise I’ll do your math homework and you can have my lunch Twinkies aren’t really good for me anyway and I don’t like chips.

  159. newrouter says:

    Sing Along With Mitch

    has anybody seen my gal?

  160. Jeff G. says:

    its = it’s

  161. Pablo says:

    Unfortunately, I don’t like the name “Mitch.” I think our failshit little country what is failshit is looking a lot for a candidate what has a strong name and “Mitch” doesn’t cut it for strength and inspiration which is too bad because his record seems good and I could go on but I have to find the next big trend in street tacos yum.

    Butch Otter is the obvious answer.

  162. newrouter says:

    the iron brothers down the street gave me the nickname mitch when i was in jr hs. they didn’t like me but need another body for right field.

  163. Pablo says:

    I’m not mocking your mr happy its just that “mitch” doesn’t scream strength more like oh no, don’t hit me with that ball, Butch, I promise I’ll do your math homework and you can have my lunch Twinkies aren’t really good for me anyway and I don’t like chips.

    I swear I had not seen this when I nominated Governor Otter.

  164. happyfeet says:

    If Palin gets the nomination which looks very likely she will lose the election and Obama will reign for four more years.

    “We’re sorry we mocked you happy,” you will say.

    “You were right and we were wrong.”

    And I will say that’s ok I forgive you.

  165. Jeff G. says:

    heh.

  166. Jeff G. says:

    oh that heh was for the Pablo coincidence.

  167. Jeff G. says:

    But you aren’t right, happy. If Palin runs and loses, it will have nothing to do with our support. In fact, our votes will count for her. Making us the least responsible for her defeat.

    That’s how it works.

  168. newrouter says:

    Obama will reign for four more years

    do you really think the baracky can be anything other than a putz cupcake?

  169. happyfeet says:

    ok maybe I won’t forgive all of you

  170. bh says:

    I understand what you’re saying, Stephanie.

    But, if spending went down in those areas so much while the overall budget still went up every year, I could then reply, “Hey, look at all these other areas where the budget ballooned so quickly!” It’s a logical consequence, those other areas of the budget had to go up.

    Either the overall budget goes down and it’s a cut or the overall budget goes up and it’s an increase. Cutting one place and putting it somewhere else might be smart and a better allocation of funds but it doesn’t actually shrink the government. So I’m wary of characterizing it as “spending cuts”. It’s actually spending reallocation.

    (I think that’s a fair criticism of Daniels, by the way.)

  171. happyfeet says:

    speaking of Twinkies

    The makers of Butterball turkey, Twinkies and Wonder Bread have agreed to use less salt in some products as part of a national campaign against high blood pressure.

    New York City health officials announced Tuesday that six more big food companies, including Butterball and Hostess, had joined an effort to cut salt levels in packaged foods by 25 percent over the next five years.*

  172. Stephanie says:

    ((I don’t get how you call letting yourself be hounded out of office a Win.))

    I don’t know how you call spending more than 50% of your time in depositions and meeting with lawyers to answer BS ethics charges gaining more governing experience (which is what you demand she have done), but that’s just me.

    And moreso,

    I don’t know how you call campaigning whilst holding the current title of Senator, Congressman or Governor and taking what amounts to 300+ taxpayer paid personal days super serial INTEGRITY, but that’s me.

    I’d bet that had she thrown her hat into the national ring again, she would have resigned since it would require so much work in the lower 48. The good citizens of Alaska didn’t like her being MIA during the campaign whilst holding the title governor in 08, either. Her approvals were in the high 80s til McCain redressed her pony and told her how to ride.

  173. happyfeet says:

    I find that 50% figure to be incredibly dubious.

  174. newrouter says:

    New York City health officials announced

    they control the salt content of the nation. what say mittens or mitch?

  175. geoffb says:

    Brine Bloomberg. Now.

  176. newrouter says:

    I find that 50% figure to be incredibly dubious.

    everything with the ak hoochie be dubious to you

  177. Stephanie says:

    State revenues doubled to $10 billion in 2008 and the state budget was several billion below that. Doesn’t sound like offsetting cuts to me. Sounds like better than a balanced budget.

  178. LTC John says:

    Trollhammer, Trollhammer, why hast thou forsaken me?!

  179. Pablo says:

    I blame the hootchies, Colonel.

  180. Pablo says:

    I find that 50% figure to be incredibly dubious.

    I continue to invite you to explain how more Governor Palin and less Governor Parnell would have benefited Alaska.

  181. cranky-d says:

    I find that 50% figure to be incredibly dubious.

    Of course you do. It is at odds with your narrative, electric hamster.

  182. Abe Froman says:

    “We’re sorry we mocked you happy,” you will say.

    Disagreement isn’t even on page one of the reasons we mock you.

  183. bh says:

    I’m not talking about deficits/surpluses or revenue increases/decreases, Stephanie. I’m talking about spending.

    If you go to my link, you can see that spending increased every year that she was governor. If she cut in some areas and the spending still went up overall, those cuts just went to somewhere else in the budget. There is no way around it.

  184. Stephanie says:

    To be fair, 50% was my estimate, but I saw some reporting in the ADN that suggested she was being hauled in front of ethics panels weekly. Between that and meeting with the lawyers, and other non-governing shit, I figured it was a fair estimate. So let’s say for the purposes of Pokemon battle rules, that it was 35%…

    She felt that the citizens deserved a 100% governing governor than a 50 or 65% one.

    I suspect your employer would fire you should your personal time and such amount to anywhere close to either figure. And I have a dog in this fight only because I have actually over-productivitied myself out of a job by automating it to such a point that my employer reduced my work week to 3 days and 70% pay and then realized that he could hire someone for a lot less to do what I devolved the job into. And I didn’t begrudge him one little bit – it was insane to pay me what he was for doing what ended up being a much less demanding job. But he got every penny’s worth while I was code writing and automating the shit out of it. I called that fair, and I call what Palin did, fair. Some people have scruples about taking people to the cleaners. Some people don’t.

  185. Stephanie says:

    BH, I accept that premise except to point out that alot of the spending in Alaska is still on basic infrastructure that a state like say Indiana pretty much has devolved to maintenance and not implementation. Alaska is a special case. Much as Indiana would have been in say, 1830 or so. And it’s a fucking huge place for trying to get everyone “onto the grid.”

  186. JD says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a candidate that did not make a group of generally like minded people want to choke each other?

  187. bh says:

    I’m not arguing this point because it relates to Palin, btw. You could say the same thing about all the rest of them as well.

    The reason it matters is that we’re at a point where we need overall spending reductions in the federal budget. We need to be clear what that actually means because the progressive’s favorite game is to pretend that every reduction to assumed baseline growth is a draconian cut even if it’s still an increase in spending.

  188. bh says:

    I’ll have to admit general ignorance towards both state’s relative infrastructure needs, Stephanie.

    Heh, that’d take all the fun out of politics, JD!

  189. newrouter says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a candidate that did not make a group of generally like minded people want to choke each other?

    2 years out no

  190. happyfeet says:

    I think it would be nice and we could all take turns saying what we liked best about them.

  191. newrouter says:

    The reason it matters is that we’re at a point where we need overall spending reductions in the federal budget.

    we “need” someone to say to epa et al go f**k yourself

  192. Stephanie says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if generally like minded people with principles looked at generally like minded representatives to represent them based ON the principles –

    I wouldn’t have given a shit if Belle Watling turned out to have the best credentials to represent me based on principles even as she outraged the Scarlett O’Hara’s of that era.

    Ms. Melly was right…

  193. newrouter says:

    I think it would be nice

    if baracky mandated unicorn farts as the us energy strategery

  194. Pablo says:

    The reason it matters is that we’re at a point where we need overall spending reductions in the federal budget.

    True, because the federal budget lives in a deep, deep hole and it could really use some sunlight. Alaska, on the other hand, is flush with surpluses and as Stephanie notes, growing rapidly. There’s no reason Alaska’s spending shouldn’t be increasing, provided it’s being done sensibly.

  195. McGehee says:

    “We’re sorry we mocked you happy,” you will say.

    Mere elections will not determine whether I am sorry or glad to have mocked you, Happyfeet. Mocking you when you deserve to be mocked, is its own reward.

  196. Stephanie says:

    Oh absolutely to both of y’all on the spendings v reductions thingy. I was just pointing out that “per Alaska’s needs” she did a bang up job of not sending it into suckitude – growth and keeping the rainy day fund filled, bonus!

    And I suspect that her telling the epa to go fuck itself would be a foregone conclusion. She certainly did a fair share of that to oil companies and others already. Track record in that area. Being from Alaska with wolves and oil and fishing and such, she seems to have a pretty good handle on “good stewardship” of the earth as opposed to “Gaia is dying BS.”

    Which as far as the GFY goes, I’m kinda looking at the Texas model now. Perry I’m not sure of, but his AG is worth studying a bit.

  197. Crawford says:

    Wouldn’t it be nice if there was a candidate that did not make a group of generally like minded people want to choke each other?

    Wouldn’t it be nice if people who didn’t like a candidate because the opposition tells them not to would admit they’re being played?

  198. bh says:

    I see that point to a degree, Pablo, but it can also lead to great problems down the road.

    Many states have had increasing revenues during good stretches and so increased their budgets at equal or faster rates. When the economy slowed or tanked, the state spending didn’t do likewise because it’s just so hard to actually cut a budget. It’s the story of almost every state in the union at the moment.

    (All of which you cleverly hedged against with “provided it’s being done sensibly”. Well, if I had to guess, there probably hasn’t been a sensible state budget anywhere in the last 20 to 30 years.)

  199. Jeff G. says:

    True, because the federal budget lives in a deep, deep hole and it could really use some sunlight. Alaska, on the other hand, is flush with surpluses and as Stephanie notes, growing rapidly. There’s no reason Alaska’s spending shouldn’t be increasing, provided it’s being done sensibly.

    Is this that “common sense conservatism” I keep hearing about?

    It sounds absolutely dastardly.

  200. Jeff G. says:

    Many states have had increasing revenues during good stretches and so increased their budgets at equal or faster rates. When the economy slowed or tanked, the state spending didn’t do likewise because it’s just so hard to actually cut a budget. It’s the story of almost every state in the union at the moment.

    I think the point was that the growth in the budget mirrored to growth the state in undergoing.

  201. happyfeet says:

    my favorite is when he abolished the government unions pewpewpew he’s probably like the coolest governor in history ever of all time

  202. Pablo says:

    bh, I’d circle right back around to her fondness for the veto as evidence that’s she’s well aware of the pitfalls of runaway spending and/or being everything to everyone.

  203. Jeff G. says:

    my favorite is when he abolished the government unions pewpewpew he’s probably like the coolest governor in history ever of all time

    that sounds awesome too bad his name is mitch which doesn’t inspire strength but instead sounds flaccid and fag and failshit like why oh why do you bullies keep pulling my undies over my head and sticking me in a locker that’s not very nice to do just because I can’t catch a football. Perception is everything nishi said and she’s smart which reminds me I have some music here you go.

  204. bh says:

    Well, I suppose it’s sort of silly for me to argue the point because I don’t actually know a great number of specifics.

    But, you guys have to admit, if we were to pore through their budget, we’d probably find that they’re probably wasting a ton of money just like anyone else. It’s what governments are best at.

  205. happyfeet says:

    Mitch Daniels invented butterscotch

  206. Stephanie says:

    Not only that, but I suspect that Alaska would become a shit hole should the spendings decrease or stagnate very much. That state is gaining people such that new infrastructure is mandatory just to keep up. Per Capita spending is what needs to be watched. I don’t think, for example, that California’s Per Capita is going down commisurate{sp) with the flight of families and businesses from the state. They are increasing spending to offset losses in revenue v increasing spending to offset increases in revenue as Alaska is doing… big difference.

    Were I in a position to do state budgeting, I would do it on a per capita basis not ooooh we got X to spend let’s spend it. Increases on a per capita would require a vote of the citizens or something. Velocity of $$ should provide a rainy day fund in the good times, budget cuts and dipping into the savings in the bad ones.

  207. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Well, I might not yet know if she’s a true policy wonk

    I hope she’s not. Name for me a wonk who was a successful president.

    There’s little inherent advantage to a president having the right kinds of enemies

    A President, no. A candidate on the other hand? It’s extremely helpful for a candidate to have the right enemies to the voters. When you got everybody and his brother running around claiming that candidate X is this, that, and the other thing, and a third of those people are lying (if only to themselves) and another third think they’re too smart to be lied to, and are wrong, having the right enemies is a fast and relatively accurate way of sorting out the liars, knaves and fools. And the contempt with which she is held only matters if the opinion of those who hold her contemptible is worth respecting.

    The contempt that the predominantly ruling class/new elite types may not tell me much about Palin herself, but the fact that you, happyfeet, seem to think their opinions weighty certainly tells me something about you.

  208. bh says:

    bh, I’d circle right back around to her fondness for the veto as evidence that’s she’s well aware of the pitfalls of runaway spending and/or being everything to everyone.

    True. That’s a good point.

  209. happyfeet says:

    hah here is my favorite italopop right now Mr. Jeff they’re euro goofy but not stupid like Scooter

  210. happyfeet says:

    they’re not actually Italian but hardly anybody seems to mind

  211. Pablo says:

    my favorite is when he abolished the government unions pewpewpew he’s probably like the coolest governor in history ever of all time

    That is a very cool thing to do. This was pretty cool too.

  212. Jeff G. says:

    When I lived in Italy, I liked this guy.

    That was the late ’90s. About the time I got into Shawn Mullins

  213. Stephanie says:

    Which, BTW is why “balanced budget amendments” are BS. If the state ain’t growing, the proclivities of governator types is to match the revenue to the spending, not the spending to the revenue as needed by the state per capita. Less folks = less trash cans, less traffic, less unemployment, less benefits, less food stamps, less govt employees needed.

    I wonder how quickly the horse rails for the holding of the reigns whilst you parked your horse disappeared when autos were introduced. Of course there were no unions advocating for the horse rail menders and painters… Didya ever notice that with the advent of computers, the only reductions in workforces came in private industry and not government… I fully expect to see ledgers. copy paper and typewriters every time I go to the DMV. Funny that.

  214. Pablo says:

    But, you guys have to admit, if we were to pore through their budget, we’d probably find that they’re probably wasting a ton of money just like anyone else. It’s what governments are best at.

    I’m sure we could. It is the nature of the beast. That said, Palin came into office slashing, the record reflects that. And the last bloated, inefficient part of the government she slashed was herself.

  215. happyfeet says:

    Mr. Ernst I think the nomination of Sarah Palin is a looming disaster what may have extraordinarily dire down-ticket consequences for Team R.

    Plus I don’t think she’s all that. I think she represents yet another triumph of style over substance, a triumph which mirrors that of Barack Obama. I don’t know how many of these triumphs our poor little country can manage.

    In 2012 it is very very important that Barack Obama be dismissed. Palin’s last campaign was a disaster, and you can’t go rogue when you’re name is at the top of the ticket. It’s a rule.

    She’s not the best person to run against Obama I don’t think. That doesn’t make me a bad person.

  216. bh says:

    We’ve achieved agreement.

    (Sorry for the tangent, btw. I probably could have started off by saying that I think Palin was one of the best fiscally conservative governors to better highlight my thrust.)

  217. Crawford says:

    I think listening to someone who writes like a junior-high girl and endlessly whines that someone infinitely more competent than himself is unqualified is a looming disaster.

    Palin’s last campaign was a disaster…

    Yeah… that wasn’t her fault. It was because of fail-shit fags like you, ‘feets.

  218. geoffb says:

    Mitch Daniels invented butterscotch

    If so he did it before he turned 4 as he is over a year younger than I am and I was making my own regular stovetop butterscotch pudding by age 5.

  219. happyfeet says:

    I voted for her Mr. Rob and it was only after she up and quit her governorship that I decided she wasn’t cool beans.

    Also, that was rude, what you said.

  220. Stephanie says:

    . I think she represents yet another triumph of style over substance,

    And with that another prog gets his wings…

    Geez, it’s like all that substancy stuff in her wiki and at Alaska newspaper’s websites is like, PooF! Revisionist history at its finest.

    Baracky didn’t even have style, he was just a back room mannequin dressed for the part. The fog machine and flashy lighting did the rest.

  221. Pablo says:

    I probably could have started off by saying that I think Palin was one of the best fiscally conservative governors…

    Clearly, she knows how to follow the money. Me, I just wish we could put off the 2012 election speculation until at least January. Can’t we just savor the last election over the holidays and not start freaking out about the next election the second the last one is over? Two years is, like, forever.

  222. Stephanie says:

    oooooh… quick who is gonna win???? Bristol or Jennifer?

  223. happyfeet says:

    I’ve been craving butterscotch Mr. geoff did you see the tasty pumpkin pudding?

    It’s really almost the best new foozle I found all year.

  224. Pablo says:

    …it was only after she up and quit her governorship that I decided she wasn’t cool beans.

    I’m gonna have to keep this on the clipboard, apparently.

    I continue to invite you to explain how more Governor Palin and less Governor Parnell would have benefited Alaska.

  225. Stephanie says:

    Meh, I’m in the middle of Chocolate trifle, cranberry orange bread, Pumpkin cornbread and lemon-blueberry cheesecake. Making, not eating. Yet.

  226. happyfeet says:

    warm pumpkin cornbread with butter sounds pretty amazing

  227. Stephanie says:

    Warm pumpkin cornbread with cinnamon butter is even better. ;)

  228. newrouter says:

    mitch folks are like bad cupcakes

  229. newrouter says:

    hi i’m mitch vote for dull white dude

  230. newrouter says:

    from flyover country

  231. Pablo says:

    If anybody says whipped cream, I’m going to have to brb.

  232. newrouter says:

    so sarah takes down the messiah with classic lib talk. how sad.

  233. Carin says:

    If anybody says whipped cream, I’m going to have to brb.

    As long as you open the curtain in the kitchen, that’s ok with me.

  234. Pablo says:

    I’m pretty sure I left the back door open.

  235. Stephanie says:

    Chocolate trifle can’t be made without copious amounts of WHIPPED CREAM. And pudding. And brownies.

    I’m toying with putting some tasty raspberries on top, but I think that might be just too decadent. The curly chocolate thingies are right purty, though.

  236. JD says:

    People like newrouter will ensure that a serious and thoughtful man like Gov Daniels will not become a candidate.

  237. JD says:

    Sons of Anarchy is fucking great tonight.

  238. newrouter says:

    oh play this at your next tsa shakedown

    Grateful Dead – US Blues 4-12-78

  239. newrouter says:

    thoughtful man like Gov Daniels will not become a candidate.

    does mitchey have a meat ax for the fed gov’t?

  240. Ernst Schreiber says:

    re: style over substance

    In that fight, style always wins. FDR, JFK, RWR, BHO.
    The fact that the current occupant is all style and no substance means that there will be slightly more scrutiny paid to the substance underneath the style in ’12. So Mitch will have that going for him, but I’m still not sure he’ll be able to compete with Romney’s hair.

  241. Stephanie says:

    Bristol 3rd. Betcha she came in first in fan votes…

  242. happyfeet says:

    that’s depressing Mr. Ernst

  243. happyfeet says:

    Bristol will always be first in our hearts

  244. Jeff G. says:

    People like newrouter will ensure that a serious and thoughtful man like Gov Daniels will not become a candidate.

    You know how you can tell when a candidate is serious and thoughtful? He or she isn’t particularly popular.

    The popular ones are always phonies — style over substance, empty-headed face candy who get all the breaks because they know the latest fashion, or were blessed with great hair, or a good jawline, or straight white teeth. They aren’t smart or principled. They can’t be: that would be unfair. The world is like Heathers that way.

    — Except, well, that’s not necessarily true. It’s a fiction that those who aren’t even in the running for Prom King or Queen invented to get by until they got to college and nobody there really knew them, so they could start over fresh.

    Sorry to be such a downer. But that’s the fact, Jack.

  245. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Quoth the pikachu:

    I don’t get how you call letting yourself be hounded out of office a Win. George Will and I feel the same way. That after Tina Fey in particular dummied her up Sarah Palin really needed to go back to Alaska and govern with skill and create a record of good governance for herself. Maybe bone up a bit on some of the more challenging issues that had arisen during the campaign like the economy and national security. She decided instead to join Mr. Will in the field of “news personality.”

    I’m with Stephanie on this:

    I don’t know how you call spending more than 50% [35% per the handicap] of your time in depositions and meeting with lawyers to answer BS ethics charges gaining more governing experience (which is what you demand she have done), but that’s just me.

    I just can’t envision a scenario where Palin comes out of 2 years of scorched earth lawfare looking like Summer Glau at the end of Serenity. Hell, I can’t see her coming out of that looking like Schwarzenegger at the end of Predator. Stallone at the end of Rocky? That I can see. But somehow I don’t see ‘feets thinking too much of moral victories; not when there’s such a paper trail of ready-made opposition research hanging around her neck like a tar grand-baby albatross and with the FIERCE MORAL URGENCY of defearing Obama being the paramount consideration.

  246. happyfeet says:

    well we’ll never know will we Mr. Ernst cause of she skedaddled

  247. Jeff G. says:

    Pablo’s asked you the same question 100 times, happy. Plan on answering him?

  248. happyfeet says:

    I will later I promise not tonight I’m kinda tired it was a big day plus also I have Palin fatigue

  249. JD says:

    I don’t really get the hostility behind that.

  250. happyfeet says:

    also I get to meet NG’s baby critter tomorrow I’m pretty excited

  251. Ernst Schreiber says:

    People like newrouter will ensure that a serious and thoughtful man like Gov Daniels will not become a candidate.

    I think that’s mostly newrouter crapping on happy’s cupcakes. The problem is that serious and thoughtful doesn’t play well to the Jerry Springer demographic. And we all know how important it is to win those low interest underinformed voters in the mushy middle. We are, after all, pragmatists.

  252. Ernst Schreiber says:

    That would be NO Jeff. Sorry Pablo.

  253. Jeff G. says:

    I don’t really get the hostility behind that.

    Behind what?

    I was just using your comment to make a point to someone else. I’ll let you guess who that might be.

    I will later I promise not tonight I’m kinda tired it was a big day plus also I have Palin fatigue

    Uh huh.

  254. newrouter says:

    People like newrouter will ensure that a serious and thoughtful man like Gov Daniels will not become a candidate.

    you sound like mr. jay rockerfeller jd

  255. Pablo says:

    I don’t really get the hostility behind that.

    I think it’s the willful ignorance that evokes that. G’night, y’all.

  256. JD says:

    Maybe I misread that. The inner tubes have been grumpy lately. Goodnight, all.

  257. happyfeet says:

    I was warning people of the dangers presented by our favorite little tundra bunny at like the crack of ass today and you gotta remember I don’t get paid for this you know it’s a labor of love

  258. JD says:

    Willful ignorance? Nevermind.

  259. happyfeet says:

    or fear

  260. Jeff G. says:

    I’m gonna go watch Grown Ups. I watched The Expendables earlier. I might watch Scott Pilgrim later. Or maybe Lottery Ticket.

    I’m in the mood to laugh tonight.

    Well, crack a smile, maybe. And DirecTV cinema only has so much to offer.

  261. Jeff G. says:

    Willful ignorance?

    I’d bet he was talking to someone else, too.

  262. newrouter says:

    People like newrouter will ensure that a serious and thoughtful man like Gov Daniels will not become a candidate.

    because an idiot on a internet connection can prevent the gov. of indiana from doing something. enjoy your cupcake too.

  263. Stephanie says:

    I don’t give 2 shits about the outcome of DWTS – except as it tweaks the right noses. I find it funny, though, that the chick what Patrick Swayze said couldn’t dance worth a shit and hated her and her pretentions on the set of a dancing movie ended up the winner. I’d trust Swayze’s vote over anyone else. Of course, the bar wasn’t set real high, I mean Margaret Cho? Seriously?

  264. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I was warning people of the dangers presented by our favorite little tundra bunny…

    In danger there lies opportunity.

    Frank Herbert wrote that. Or some shit like it.

    And there are a great many people on both sides of the aisle who find Palin dangerous. You should give some thought to why ostensible political rivals, opponents even want to make common cause against her.

  265. newrouter says:

    that’s why i like sister sarah: she took a 2 year meat ax to ak and won.

  266. Ernst Schreiber says:

    she took a 2 year meat ax to ak and won.

    That’s why they had to destroy her. And when they thought they had her trapped in the steel jaws of frivolous lawfare, like the ferocious mama grizzly, she chewed her own paw off and escaped!

  267. Ernst Schreiber says:

    For what it’s worth, I don’t believe she’ll run.

    Unless the Republicans make her run.

  268. Jeff G. says:

    no ernst, she let down the peoples what elected her to govern and ran ran ran all askeered right into the waiting arms of our failshit little country’s media whoredom with FoxNews as her pimp daddy. And also fried turnips with caramel drizzle are good even though I know it doesn’t sound like it but its true.

  269. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Well, if she’s a ho, at least she be the pretty ho.

    And speaking of whores and whoredom, how much do you suppose a guy like Eliot Spitzer would have paid to have a professional heap upon him the kind of scorn happyfeet got for free?

  270. Ernst Schreiber says:

    If I was even half clever, I would have known enough to follow Jeff’s lead and argue that No No No FoxNews is the kindly old man what lives in the forest kinda like Grizzly Adams only without the substance abuse problems and he’s going to help her get all better and then they can go hunt down the evil trappers and maul them to death to the wistful melodies of John Denver.

    But then I never could dance, so how do expect me to follow a lead?

  271. geoffb says:

    The big disconnect: D.C. elites think Obama will be reelected, but the public doubts it.

    According to the new POLITICO Power and the People poll, only 26 percent of the public believes he will be reelected as president in 2012. Inside the Beltway, however, expectations are quite different, with D.C. elites saying he will have a second term by a reverse 2 to 1 margin. (49 percent say re-elected; 23 percent say not).

  272. newrouter says:

    link

    “High on my agenda are three things. First, I’m out there stumping to help future presidents – Republican or Democrat – get those tools they need to bring the budget under control. And those tools are a line-item veto and a constitutional amendment to balance the budget. Second, I’m out there talking up the need to do something about political gerrymandering. This is the practice of rigging the boundaries of congressional districts. It is the greatest single blot on the integrity of our nation’s electoral system, and it’s high time we did something about it. And third, I’m talking up the idea of repealing the Twenty-second Amendment, to the Constitution, the amendment that prevents a president from serving more than two terms. I believe it’s a preemption of the people’s right to vote for whomever they want as many times as they want.”

    http://www.ronaldreagan.com/sp_21.html

  273. sdferr says:

    Is Stanley Kurtz’s book on Palin’s nightstand? Daniel’s? Pawlenty’s? It published Oct 18th, didn’t it? That’s plenty of time for two readings and multiple passage memorization I think. So. What, they think he’s a good man? Why aren’t these people hammering it home every damned day? Fuck if I know.

  274. happyfeet says:

    there’s one lady what’s giving bumble hell pretty consistently Mr. sdferr

  275. Ernst Schreiber says:

    It’s interesting that slightly more than half of the Establishment either thinks he won’t be reelected or isn’t confident enough in his prospects to predict his reelection, though. So maybe the disconnect isn’t as big as Politico would have it.

    Or rather, the lobbyists aren’t as fanciful as Politico reporters.

  276. sdferr says:

    Prissy Mary is living up to Mr Madison’s vision of the thwarting clash of faction I think. God bless the little cunt.

  277. Ernst Schreiber says:

    You don’t use Kurtz to attack Obama (at least not yet). You use Kurtz to deflect media criticism of your side and to undermine their pretensions when they cover the other side.

  278. happyfeet says:

    I hate her cause of she’s a dirty socialist obamacare whore but she’s saying to the people hey guys bumblefuck took away your job and I’m a gonna try and get it back.

    That’s a powerful message I think.

  279. geoffb says:

    sdferr,

    My hope is that some of the new Congressmen will push for hearing and bring some of the ones named in the book in to answer questions. Questions which will be based of the staff going through all the archives that Kurtz did with fine tooth combs so they know the answers that should truthfully be given.

    Then the pundits and political types will have some fresh meat to chew. Two years to thoroughly masticate each morsel.

  280. Bob Reed says:

    Seems to me that Palin calls Obama out regularly, on policy issues. She doesn’t cite Kurtz directly, but could be holding that stuff back for campaign season. I don’t hear much criticism at all coming from other quarters, save for Mittenz half-heartedly criticizing Obamacare while simulataneously defending Romneycare’s original iteration, and some burbling from Pawlenty.

    Other than that I don’t hear much yet from anyone. But what do I know anyway…

  281. sdferr says:

    Obama is a lying piece of shit. I think one should use anything that comes to hand to hammer that message home every goddamn day the sun still shines.

  282. Ernst Schreiber says:

    I think we ought to amend the 22nd to limit a president to 3 terms. Otherwise, that fucker Bubba would probably still be in the White House.

  283. Ernst Schreiber says:

    “politician” is a euphemism for “lying piece of shit,” so that charge by itself only carries so much weight. So it seems more important to me that we explain why Obama’s lies aren’t the same as other politicians’ lies.

    Of course the folks who try to do that on a daily basis get called unhelpful by the comity über alles crowd, so we’re back to finding the ideal messenger for our perfect message problem and coming up short in one department or another.

    Kinda like the Vikings that way ––always 1 or 2 players shy of an invincible scheme for football domination.

  284. LBascom says:

    I like two terms. Give them more than that and they’ll go all Chavez on our asses.

  285. sdferr says:

    Human beings intelligence, the evolutionists tell us, is finely attuned to ferreting out the liars among us; indeed, that the development of human intelligence may very well have been driven in large part by the existential need to expose cheaters in their tribes; that punishing those lying cheaters where they’re found is essential to maintaining order in reciprocity for the dealings among men.

    For the life of me, I cannot understand how the people of America have missed the plain vanilla truth that this Obama character is no more nor less than a simple charlatan through and through. That there is hardly a tale he has told that isn’t a bald-faced falsehood. And that their interests can hardly be won while he holds that office, since he works day and night to defeat them.

  286. geoffb says:

    The polls cited seem to show that Obama is good a wielding a hammer on his own head. Like that character in the “Tommy D. Cat” comic that bh does on occasion except Obama thinks it is helping him.

  287. Ernst Schreiber says:

    The problem with two terms in the current environment is the planned obsolescence. You basically got two years to accomplish something that’s going to get you reelected, and if you succeed then you’ve got two more years to build your legacy before everybody else in town starts asking if they can come over and take some measurements for new drapes.

    I also favor a three year house term and a nine year Senate term, also with term limits. If we went to a three year election cycle instead of a two year cycle, you might actually be able to get some necessary and unpleasant business taken care of without having to immediately worry about next year’s political repurcussion’s. At least for the first of three years.

  288. LTC John says:

    I, too, await an answer to Pablo’s question, Jeff. I just don’t plan on seeing it. Ever.

  289. LTC John says:

    Ernst, or you end up with Dick Durbin for nine years at a time….

  290. geoffb says:

    One of Obama’s bucket of hammers.

  291. sdferr says:

    “politician” is a euphemism for “lying piece of shit,” so that charge by itself only carries so much weight.

    This is a huge problem, not least because it isn’t close to being true that any, all or most politicians are lying pieces of shit. It’s easy spin, to be sure. But it’s also downright mean dirty cynical rotten low bullshit itself. Which could very well be the best indicator of our native American problem. Namely, the shite for standards against which we measure ourselves. Since hey, if we’re to have government of the people, by the people and for the people, the goddamned people better be on their toes if they want government to be of any virtue at all.

  292. Ernst Schreiber says:

    Nine years at a time, sure, but with a light at the end of the tunnel. Too many of them think they’re entitled to remain in the Senate until they have occassion to lie there, in state, before being ceremoniously carried out.

  293. Ernst Schreiber says:

    For the life of me, I cannot understand how the people of America have missed the plain vanilla truth that this Obama character is no more nor less than a simple charlatan through and through. That there is hardly a tale he has told that isn’t a bald-faced falsehood. And that their interests can hardly be won while he holds that office, since he works day and night to defeat them.

    Because an undetermined but not insignificant portion of the 66.88 million people who voted for Hope and Change and a History in the Making First! willed themselves into Fox Mulders, for a day or for a season.

    It didn’t help things that the boy old man in our little reenactment of Hans Christian Andersen refused to say that the Emperor Good Man didn’t have any clothes on for fear of the P. C. police roaming the crowd.

    Or when the woman did speak up, that she was shouted down as the ignorant hick slut matriarch of an ignorant hick snow billy trailer trash family who probably wasn’t even the mother of her youngest child, (such is the sluttiness and the fecundity of snowbilly hoochies when they’re of an age to whelp!). How dare she take a great big steaming dump in the middle of our transformative parade!

    Such is the power of belief, and the desire for conformity.

    Orwell’s “power of facing unpleasant facts” and seeing things as they are is not for the faint-hearted, the soft-headed, or the weak-willed, my friend. The brave are lonely, and they’re at their loneliest right before the tractor-trailer runs them down like a little lost whitetail deer on a Minnesota highway.

    I’d try to work in a Tolkein reference and maybe also one to A Darkness at Noon since we’re talking about throwing some daylight onto the Lies of the Leftist Liar, but it’s already too far into the wee small hours.

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